Re: [Elecraft] K2 (ssb)

2008-02-09 Thread Stewart Baker
On my site I have some mods which I think improve the K2 transmit
audio.

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~baker/

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:34:54 -0700, DW Holtman wrote:
> Hello,
>
> First let me state, I was not trying to run down the K2. Just
curious about
> the reviews. I own a K1 and I'm on the waiting list for a K3. I
would not
> sit around and wait months for something if I did not think it
is the best
> available.
>
> Thank to most that responded both on and off list. The general
feeling is if
> someone is not happy with the SSB on the K2, it is most likely
adjustment,
> not the rig.
>
> Great answers, I learned a lot about the K2.
>
> Best,
> DW Holtman
> WB7SSN
>
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[Elecraft] QRV PACC

2008-02-09 Thread Evert Bakker (PA2KW)
Hello all,

 

I'll be qrv from a small clubstation (PI4EDE) during the PACC contest with
my K2 (mainly CW ofcourse)

Unfortunately my K3 is too late for this event, but the K2 will do fine as
usual.

 

Hope cul.

 

73's, Evert PA2KW

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 or K3 Weekend Fun Project

2008-02-09 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Don Rasmussen wrote:



Give it a try this weekend and pass along any feedback
you may have wb8yqj at yahoo dot com

Please contact me directly so as not to clog this
reflector with my personal traffic. t u


Of course you could open up a topic about it on the forum at
www.zerobeat.net/smf/ and thus a lot of folks could exchange
information...you know, the way it's done with K3 information there.

73 k3hrn
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 K3 (ssb)

2008-02-09 Thread Don Wilhelm

David,

You bring up a good point - how we actually sound to others is not 
necessarily how we perceive ourselves.

Here is the alternative that I use:
I have a good fidelity stereo system in the hamshack, and also have a 
recording of a male speaking voice (from a book on 'tape').  I play the 
recording on the stereo and hold the microphone close in front of the 
speaker while listening to the K2 on a separate receiver.   A talk radio 
program can also provide a source speaking voice.


The major drawback for this method is that just any sort of speaker will 
not do the job - if the speaker is not of above average quality, it will 
color its output and the microphone will receive a distorted sound.


I have also used this same method to evaluate various microphones for 
communications clarity.


73,
Don W3FPR

David Cutter wrote:
Listening to one's own speech via another receiver, to optimise one's 
own transmit settings still gives a subjective result, *on average*, 
no better than another radio listener.  Inevitably, it will be a 
question of personal taste, unless you have special training.  It is 
true that radio amateurs are self trained to pick out particular words 
and phrases in contest or noisey conditions, but, is there no better 
way to make adjustments independent of taste and personal judgement?  
eg speaking standard words to record speech spectrograms.  Can these 
be used to determine clarity?


David
G3UNA


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 K3 (ssb)

2008-02-09 Thread David Cutter

Don

I'm really trying to get away from any listening done by ourselves and 
substitute an instrument = spectrogram.  I just imagine that there is 
somewhere a reference that will help identify those bits of the display 
which contribute most to clarity and make it easy and more effective to 
adjust our filters accordingly.  We would speak a set number of words for 
comparison and adjust for best fit.  Fidelity is not an issue.  In machine 
speech, this would be easy to optimise, but if we use voice keyers, those 
stock phrases could be perfectly adjusted for maximum "punch."


David
G3UNA



David,

You bring up a good point - how we actually sound to others is not 
necessarily how we perceive ourselves.

Here is the alternative that I use:
I have a good fidelity stereo system in the hamshack, and also have a 
recording of a male speaking voice (from a book on 'tape').  I play the 
recording on the stereo and hold the microphone close in front of the 
speaker while listening to the K2 on a separate receiver.   A talk radio 
program can also provide a source speaking voice.


The major drawback for this method is that just any sort of speaker will 
not do the job - if the speaker is not of above average quality, it will 
color its output and the microphone will receive a distorted sound.


I have also used this same method to evaluate various microphones for 
communications clarity.


73,
Don W3FPR


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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter

2008-02-09 Thread Philip Theis
Greg,
You hit the nail on the head.
Thanks,
Phil

-Original Message-
From: Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:14 PM
To: Philip Theis; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter

Hi Phil,

I'm not a transverter user, but seems like you have the XVn PWR setting to
Hxx instead of Lxx.  The L setting activates the Xverter IN/OUT and the H
settings uses ANT 1/2.  Its recommended you use the L setting to avoid
transmitting high power into the transverter.

>From pg. 36

XVn PWR sets the K3 power output range to
be used with this transverter band. L0.01-
L1.27 specifies a power level in milliwatts,
which requires the KXV3 option (use the
XVTR IN and OUT jacks). H00.0-H12.0
specifies power in watts, and selects the K3's
main antenna jack(s) for output.

73
Greg
AB7R




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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transverter


I am unable to get the XVTR port to work on receive (haven't gotten to
transmit yet)
I have the menu items set up for transverter use, and I can get input to the
radio just fine into the antenna or the RX IN port, but nothing on the XVTR
IN port.
I'm sure it's a setup issue, any thoughts?
Thanks
Phil K3(352)TUF

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 : standby current

2008-02-09 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 2/8/08 11:15:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


> I think most car batteries 
> are at least 100 AH.

No, more like 50 AH. 

The biggest car battery I ever dealt with was for a VW diesel, and it was 
only 63 AH. Had to turn a 2 horsepower starter against the 23:1 compression 
ratio 
of the engine, *and* feed the glow plugs which required more than 30 amps.

73 de Jim, N2EY


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[Elecraft] K3 and ARCP Software?

2008-02-09 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Has anyone tried the K3 with Kenwood's ARCP remote 
control software?  Any thoughts, good bad, mixed? 

I'm aware of alternatives (TRS Manager and HRD) but 
I've had inquiries and since my own K3 has not arrived 
I'm looking for user reports not suggested alternatives. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 

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[Elecraft] Lead-Acid Battery Capacity (WAS: K3 : standby current)

2008-02-09 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
... more like 50 AH. 

The biggest car battery I ever dealt with was for a VW diesel, and it was 
only 63 AH. Had to turn a 2 horsepower starter against the 23:1 compression
ratio 
of the engine, *and* feed the glow plugs which required more than 30 amps.

73 de Jim, N2EY

**
In the USA at least, AH ratings for car batteries are hard to find. Most of
them are rated for the actual service in ways that make them difficult to
assess for running a radio. Three common ratings are the "Cranking Amperes"
(CA), "Cold Cranking Amperes" (CCA) and "Hot Cranking Amperes" and (HCA)
indicating how many amperes the battery can deliver at some given
temperatures (usually ranging from -18C to about +20C). They are seldom very
useful in determining how long you can run a radio like the K2 or the K3
from it, especially at 100 watts. 

Perhaps the closest indicator  is the "Reserve Capacity Minutes" (RCM). It's
the number of minutes a battery can deliver a significant current -
something like 25 amperes. Using that number one can make an educated guess
about how long it can deliver current to support transmitting with a
100-watt rig, but it's not a perfectly linear curve. You can't count on
multiplying the time by some factor for lower receive currents or lower
transmit powers. 

Most car batteries are designed to deliver short bursts of energy to operate
the starter and then "float" on the line while most of the electronics run
off of the alternator. These batteries have a larger number of relatively
thin plates to provide the greatest current flow through the electrolyte
during peak demands, but the thin plates limit the time the battery can
deliver the current. 

Deep discharge batteries designed for continuous service have fewer, thicker
plates to provide more ions for more current over time, but they have a much
smaller capacity to deliver high currents for a short time. 

Getting optimum performance is a matter of carefully matching the actual
demands of the rig and how it will be used with the right battery but,
typically, the "Golf Cart" or "Electric Chair" types designed to deliver
nominal currents over a longer time are the most suitable for radio use. 

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] Lead-Acid Battery Capacity (WAS: K3 : standby current)

2008-02-09 Thread Mike B
Good information, Ron.  Also, true deep cycle batteries are considerably more 
expensive than automotive batteries - you're paying for the lead.  Most 
batteries in common stores labeled "deep cycle" aren't - it's just marketing. 
With only a few exceptions (such as one of the Optima line), my rule of thumb is 
that if the battery lists any type of "cranking amps" rating, even if it also 
lists an amp-hour rating, it isn't a deep cycle.


We go through a fairly large number of deep cycle batteries at work (for remote 
weather stations), and any more our 100 AH batteries are costing us upwards of 
$250 each, and weigh about 70 pounds.  Now, these are American-made Concorde AGM 
batteries (I try to do my part to keep tax money in-country); Chinese copycat 
batteries are about $100 less.


73,

Mike
KW1ND
(Still counting the days for the K3...)
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[Elecraft] close look at the K3 (hands on)

2008-02-09 Thread Ed Rodriguez
Just got back from Orlando Hamcation, met with Eric and his lovely Wife.
K3 looks and sounds wonderful. even had time to play with it a little.
Now I feel more comfortable with my purchase after seeing the K3 in Person.


73's Ed
Wp4o
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[Elecraft] OT - Battery ratings

2008-02-09 Thread Ken Kopp


I apologize if this ends up as a duplicate posting

- Original Message - 
From: Ken Kopp 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Saturday, 09 February, 2008 19:52

Subject: OT - Battery ratings


The "real" AH ratings for batteries ... the kind we're referring to
in this topic ... are difficult to learn.  Most automotive-related
ratings are specified in"cranking amperes", and this is -not- the
rating that of interest here.  It's consumer hype.

I'm retired from an electric utility's communications department
where we used various typed of LARGE battery banks.  Our 
microwave stations all had "large" battery banks.  Few realize
that substation's relays and/or switching is done with 120 VDC.  
(They gotta function when the power's off.)  Ditto for telephone 
systems at 48 VDC.  A source of battery info ... in general ... can 
be found on the Trojan Battery site.


I have an RV with 440 AH of Trojan batteries, a wind generator and
12A of solar panels on the roof, BTW.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Elecraft] K3: shipping status

2008-02-09 Thread Mike B
Not to drag up more ill feelings, but where is Elecraft at in the last few days 
as far as order dates being ready to ship?  I know about the status page; I'm 
looking for who has been contacted in the last few days.  Per the status page, 
my 6/6  order date should be coming up by the end of this coming week.


73,

Mike
KW1ND
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[Elecraft] K3 - inventory was short...but not really

2008-02-09 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Hi:

Well, it's been a full week now since I finished the assembly (I can't
bring myself to call it a build).

When I did the initial inventory, I short 3 or 4 pieces of hardware,
at least according to the parts list.  The only thing I really
"needed" was a black pan head screw...I had the rest around anyway,
but since I wanted that black pan head, I asked for the other couple
of missing hardware parts as well.

When I finished the assembly, boy did I have lots of hardware left
over...and that's BEFORE I got the replacement hardware from
K3Support.  I feel really bad that Elecraft spent time and money to
send me a few odds 'n' ends that I actually didn't need.  In my case,
the inventory list clearly included more than necessary, but it was
not flagged as "this is extra."

To be fair, I did order the KPA3 with the K3, so there may have been
some hardware in surplus due to that (but there wasn't supposed to be
and certainly not as much as was left).

I had LOTS of surplus locks (both types) and LOTS of surplus nuts and
I even ended up one black pan head screw OVER, even after the
inventory said I was short one.  Sowhen YOU do an inventory and
find that you are a couple screws, locks, or nuts short, don't sweat
it.

OH yeah...one more thing.  When I went to put the KPA3 in, I was very
concerned about the SOUND of something very loose on that assembly.
Every time I tipped the unit one way and the other, something was
"rattling."  After 10 minutes of searching for "stuck hardware" that I
knew was there somewhere, most likely stuck between the bottom of the
board the heat sink, I found that it was the ferrites around two leads
sliding back and forth.  Oh for goodness sakes!

de Doug KR2Q

And one last thing about the KPA3.  Thanks to the posts here on the
reflector, I noted that the "floating resistors" (I think they are
resistors) were pushed down near to the board.  I simply applied a
tiny bit of upward pressure and moved them away from the "other stuff"
so that they were more air born.
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Re: [Elecraft] CQ WW WPX RTTY

2008-02-09 Thread G4ILO


Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:
> 
> The CQ RTTY contest starts in a couple of hours and runs Sat/Sun GMT. This
> is a great opportunity for all those new K3's to strut their digital
> stuff.
> I won't be hugely active, just exercising the K3 and the rest of the
> station
> on a mode that is (re-) new to me. Hope to hear lots of you on.
> 
I've been attempting to make some contacts using the FSK D mode, using the
CAT KY command to send text and the built-in decoder to receive.

One problem seems to be that when the RX; command is sent, the TX sends 3 or
4 seconds of idle before going to RX.

It's also very frustrating that there is no way to get the decoded text into
the logging software, because the serial number scrolls off the display so
quickly that it's easy to miss it.

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf
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[Elecraft] K3 Error question

2008-02-09 Thread Rich Lim
Hi guys, I just got around to building my K3, awesome
kit!

Anyhow, I was wondering if someone can help me out a
little bit until I can talk to customer support on
Monday.

While doing the initial synthesizer calibration I keep
getting an error message. I get "Error VCO" and the
error code is "3". When I turn the rid on I get
the "Error PL1" message.  I did check jumpers and the
crystal as suggested and they are correct. Any ideas?

Rich
KQ9L 

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RE: [Elecraft] close look at the K3 (hands on)

2008-02-09 Thread Mike Christiansen
I just got back from Hamcation as well.  The pictures do not do this rig
justice

Mike, N4GW

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Rodriguez
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:54 PM
To: 'Elecraft'
Subject: [Elecraft] close look at the K3 (hands on)

Just got back from Orlando Hamcation, met with Eric and his lovely Wife.
K3 looks and sounds wonderful. even had time to play with it a little.
Now I feel more comfortable with my purchase after seeing the K3 in Person.


73's Ed
Wp4o
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[Elecraft] K3 - Amp keying

2008-02-09 Thread Robert Mccormack
Hi All,
K3s #320 and #321 received Feb 8th, completed Feb 9th -very smooth inventory 
and assembly, made easier by simultaneous build.   Steep learning curve 
required for familiarisation before ARRL CW test next weekend, as well as 
computer integration for Multi-Single/Multi-Two station.

Re amp keying variable delay - FAQ says it will be available after initial 
shipment.
No further info found on Main or Config menus.
Other than built-in delay available in contest logging programs, any ideas for 
a work-around?   We'd rather not use foot-switches.

Thanks for any help.

Ken ZL1AIH and Aki ZL1GO (ZM1A in contests)

 


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[Elecraft] SSB TX INQUIRY

2008-02-09 Thread Roland Guidry
Has anyone tested to see what the low cutoff is on TX for SSB. Is it 100hz,
, 150hz, 200hz, 250hz? If it is higher than 100hz, can a firmware revision
can change that? 

I am hoping that it would be at least the lowest 100hz, so I can tailor the
audio for my voice with the equalizer.

Roland NA5Q

K3 Ordered!

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Re: [Elecraft] CQ WW WPX RTTY

2008-02-09 Thread David Pratt

In a recent message, G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes

One problem seems to be that when the RX; command is sent, the TX sends 3 or
4 seconds of idle before going to RX.

Julian -
You need to send di-di-dah-dah at the end of your transmission. It will 
then go immediately onto Receive. Page 32 refers to this, along with the 
break sign which will extend the idle time.


73
--
David G4DMP
West Yorkshire, England, UK


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Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WW WPX RTTY

2008-02-09 Thread mark roz
did dit dah dah doesn't work in my K3.

David,

Did you try that?
Mark
--- David Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 22:33:53 +
> To: Elecraft Reflector 
> From: David Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WW WPX RTTY
> 
> In a recent message, G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes
> >One problem seems to be that when the RX; command
> is sent, the TX sends 3 or
> >4 seconds of idle before going to RX.
> Julian -
> You need to send di-di-dah-dah at the end of your
> transmission. It will 
> then go immediately onto Receive. Page 32 refers to
> this, along with the 
> break sign which will extend the idle time.
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[Elecraft] K3: Interim Build Report

2008-02-09 Thread David and Dianne on Comcast

Hi Everyone,

As I posted here at mid week, K3 #371 arrived from Aptos in fine shape. 
I have begun the build and thought I would share some comments both 
positive and negative with all. You opinions of course will most likely 
be different but here are mine so far:


Positive:
The kit was packaged magnificently. The care in packaging is first rate. 
The manual is by far one of the most comprehensive I have seen in 
building many kits over the years. Clear, concise and detailed but very 
logical and easy to follow. Build quality of the boards is indeed 
elegant.  Fit and finish is simply excellent. Tolerances are amazing.  
It is a work of engineering art. Congrats to Eric and Wayne of all of 
this. They should be proud of their baby.


Negative:
Yup I have a negative.  Of all of the kits I have built over the years, 
many of them fairly complex, from Heath, LDG, W9GR and many others, this 
is the first to arrive short parts/hardware.  And while the shortage is 
minor, it is specialized and significant enough to stop me cold in the 
build process and add yet another week to the final K3 experience.  
Simply put, it has been deflating. Yet more delay. While Elecraft was 
attentive to this matter over the phone and in a response from 
K3Support, I am still not sure if the parts are headed this way as no 
confirmation has been positively received. This will be my last kit 
experience. I should have bought it factory assembled as I planned 
originally. But I bought into the kit mystique. Never again.


Concerns:
I am both a CW and SSB operator as non-contesting DX'er. SSB TX issues 
are important to me. Several reports are surfacing here and elsewhere 
from very reputable sources about the current lack of SSB bandwidth and 
the lack of more "powerful" modulation. I urge Elecraft to address these 
issues ASAP (now perhaps with more priority than the second receiver.)  
This will be a deal breaker for me if not rectified. IMO it should have 
been correct out of the box. This K3 will be evaluated against my highly 
modified Ten Tec Omni V.9 which has for my operating requirements beat 
out every transceiver on both CW and SSB since its arrival here at this 
QTH, bar none, including my Pro III which for all its true Rx warts is a 
pretty darn good value for the $$.


I paid my $$ and took my chances and hope that this will all get 
rectified in the end. And for those of you who may think that I should 
not air complaints in public, I ask, did yours arrive complete?


My $.02

73 de N1LQ-Dave

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - inventory was short...but not really

2008-02-09 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Glad to hear the assembly went smoothly, Doug. I'm curious about the
"extras" though. The illustrated parts list in the manuals should be
accurate. They are based on counting the number of each fastener called for
in the procedures. But, as the assembly manuals say, there should also be
extras beyond those called for in the parts lists to ensure you don't come
up short a screw after one got dropped! 

I'd appreciate a note if you recall any specifics. A note off the reflector
is fine. 

KPA3 Option should only call for the additional hardware needed. In that
case, the screws used to attach the shield to the RF board replace the
shorter screws provided with the basic K3 kit, so you'll have the short
screws left over when you're done. 

We'll add a note to the manual not to panic if one hears those ferrite beads
rattling around! 

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-

Hi:

Well, it's been a full week now since I finished the assembly (I can't bring
myself to call it a build).

When I did the initial inventory, I short 3 or 4 pieces of hardware, at
least according to the parts list.  The only thing I really "needed" was a
black pan head screw...I had the rest around anyway, but since I wanted that
black pan head, I asked for the other couple of missing hardware parts as
well.

When I finished the assembly, boy did I have lots of hardware left
over...and that's BEFORE I got the replacement hardware from K3Support.  I
feel really bad that Elecraft spent time and money to send me a few odds 'n'
ends that I actually didn't need.  In my case, the inventory list clearly
included more than necessary, but it was not flagged as "this is extra."

To be fair, I did order the KPA3 with the K3, so there may have been some
hardware in surplus due to that (but there wasn't supposed to be and
certainly not as much as was left).

I had LOTS of surplus locks (both types) and LOTS of surplus nuts and I even
ended up one black pan head screw OVER, even after the inventory said I was
short one.  Sowhen YOU do an inventory and find that you are a couple
screws, locks, or nuts short, don't sweat it.

OH yeah...one more thing.  When I went to put the KPA3 in, I was very
concerned about the SOUND of something very loose on that assembly. Every
time I tipped the unit one way and the other, something was "rattling."
After 10 minutes of searching for "stuck hardware" that I knew was there
somewhere, most likely stuck between the bottom of the board the heat sink,
I found that it was the ferrites around two leads sliding back and forth.
Oh for goodness sakes!

de Doug KR2Q

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - inventory was short...but not really

2008-02-09 Thread Stewart Baker
Yes, I gave my K3 a gentle shake while building and heard a
rattle. Pleased that it was only the ferrite beads conjuring up
the mojo...

73
Stewart G3RXQ

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:56:18 -0500, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Well, it's been a full week now since I finished the assembly (I
can't
> bring myself to call it a build).
>
> When I did the initial inventory, I short 3 or 4 pieces of
hardware,
> at least according to the parts list.  The only thing I really
> "needed" was a black pan head screw...I had the rest around
anyway,
> but since I wanted that black pan head, I asked for the other
couple
> of missing hardware parts as well.
>
> When I finished the assembly, boy did I have lots of hardware
left
> over...and that's BEFORE I got the replacement hardware from
> K3Support.  I feel really bad that Elecraft spent time and money
to
> send me a few odds 'n' ends that I actually didn't need.  In my
case,
> the inventory list clearly included more than necessary, but it
was
> not flagged as "this is extra."
>
> To be fair, I did order the KPA3 with the K3, so there may have
been
> some hardware in surplus due to that (but there wasn't supposed
to be
> and certainly not as much as was left).
>
> I had LOTS of surplus locks (both types) and LOTS of surplus
nuts and
> I even ended up one black pan head screw OVER, even after the
> inventory said I was short one.  Sowhen YOU do an inventory
and
> find that you are a couple screws, locks, or nuts short, don't
sweat
> it.
>
> OH yeah...one more thing.  When I went to put the KPA3 in, I was
very
> concerned about the SOUND of something very loose on that
assembly.
> Every time I tipped the unit one way and the other, something
was
> "rattling."  After 10 minutes of searching for "stuck hardware"
that I
> knew was there somewhere, most likely stuck between the bottom
of the
> board the heat sink, I found that it was the ferrites around two
leads
> sliding back and forth.  Oh for goodness sakes!
>
> de Doug KR2Q
>
> And one last thing about the KPA3.  Thanks to the posts here on
the
> reflector, I noted that the "floating resistors" (I think they
are
> resistors) were pushed down near to the board.  I simply applied
a
> tiny bit of upward pressure and moved them away from the "other
stuff"
> so that they were more air born.
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - Amp keying

2008-02-09 Thread Greg
What kind of amp are you using Ken?  As is the delay is ~10ms.  This has
been found to be fine for Alphas and Acom amps.  If you are not sure, please
contact the amp manufacturer to see if that will meet the amp's relay
requirements.

Having this adjustable is on the list for updates.

73
Greg
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Hi All,
K3s #320 and #321 received Feb 8th, completed Feb 9th -very smooth inventory
and assembly, made easier by simultaneous build.   Steep learning curve
required for familiarisation before ARRL CW test next weekend, as well as
computer integration for Multi-Single/Multi-Two station.

Re amp keying variable delay - FAQ says it will be available after initial
shipment.
No further info found on Main or Config menus.
Other than built-in delay available in contest logging programs, any ideas
for a work-around?   We'd rather not use foot-switches.

Thanks for any help.

Ken ZL1AIH and Aki ZL1GO (ZM1A in contests)




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[Elecraft] K3 Error question

2008-02-09 Thread Phil & Debbie Salas
"Hi guys, I just got around to building my K3, awesome
kit!

Anyhow, I was wondering if someone can help me out a
little bit until I can talk to customer support on
Monday.

While doing the initial synthesizer calibration I keep
getting an error message. I get "Error VCO" and the
error code is "3". When I turn the rid on I get
the "Error PL1" message.  I did check jumpers and the
crystal as suggested and they are correct. Any ideas?

Rich"

Hi Rich - I had the same problem.  It is probably the same issue - the KSYN3
card VCO inductor is slightly offset.  Elecraft offered to replace the card,
or I could try to adjust the range by tweaking the VCO coil.  Per their
instructions, I removed the sleeve around the coil (unscrew the nylon nut)
and slightly expanded the turns on the coil, and then reassembled the sleeve
(they told me I should expand the turns slightly).  I went too far and got a
different VCO error message.  So I tried again and this time compressed the
turns slightly in between where they had been and my first attempt.  That
fixed the problem - my synthesizer calibrated fine.  If you do this, just
very slightly expand the turns on the torroid.  You can also see your PLL
voltages on each band using the DISP function when you are in the TECH MD
mode.  The PLL voltages on each band should be between 1-6.7VDC.  Probably
the best thing to do is to record these voltages (and you'll probably see
where the problem is).  Tweak the VCO coil and look at the voltages again
and see where they shifted.  Good luck.  

Phil - AD5X

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Re: [Elecraft] SSB TX INQUIRY

2008-02-09 Thread Barry N1EU

Roland, check
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_changes_on_Elecraft%27s_list_to_be_added
and look at the first item.

73,
Barry N1EU



Roland Guidry-2 wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tested to see what the low cutoff is on TX for SSB. Is it
> 100hz,
> , 150hz, 200hz, 250hz? If it is higher than 100hz, can a firmware revision
> can change that? 
> 
> I am hoping that it would be at least the lowest 100hz, so I can tailor
> the
> audio for my voice with the equalizer.
> 
> Roland NA5Q
> 
> K3 Ordered!
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[Elecraft] FOR SALE

2008-02-09 Thread Earl Bailley
Howdy! Cash squeeze got me so will unload some goodies. Knock your eyes out 
on brand new never used K2  #5784, put together beutifully by WA2TKG, gave 
Elecraft $1400 for the box and all that is in it. Talk about mod units and 
dicker on fone 360 638 2707 Pacific. Need strong local boys for a Henry 3KA 
w new 3-500's. Will only deliver to my door stop. Looks new, never subject 
to bad habits. Got more stuff of value but will list later.


Antipicate my 81st birthday for my ordered K3. Get patient, you get old 
anyway. So for now I do Morse in myu head.


73

EarlBailley W7TK
PO 9
Hansville WA 98340 -- 360 638 2707


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Fwd: [Elecraft] K3: Interim Build Report

2008-02-09 Thread mark roz
Dave,

My K3 arrived with all the parts.

SSB:

There were many postings about SSB mode (including
mine).
Some how, there was no response from Elecraft about
this.
I have many friends in EU who are waiting for that
DX/Contest audio from K3 before they decide to order
one.
I don't understand why Elecraft is not responding to
this issue. I just would like to know that Elecraft
has intention to improve SSB mode.
73 Mark WQ7X


--- David and Dianne on Comcast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:22:20 -0500
> From: David and Dianne on Comcast
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Interim Build Report
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> As I posted here at mid week, K3 #371 arrived from
> Aptos in fine shape. 
> I have begun the build and thought I would share
> some comments both 
> positive and negative with all. You opinions of
> course will most likely 
> be different but here are mine so far:
> 
> Positive:
> The kit was packaged magnificently. The care in
> packaging is first rate. 
> The manual is by far one of the most comprehensive I
> have seen in 
> building many kits over the years. Clear, concise
> and detailed but very 
> logical and easy to follow. Build quality of the
> boards is indeed 
> elegant.  Fit and finish is simply excellent.
> Tolerances are amazing.  
> It is a work of engineering art. Congrats to Eric
> and Wayne of all of 
> this. They should be proud of their baby.
> 
> Negative:
> Yup I have a negative.  Of all of the kits I have
> built over the years, 
> many of them fairly complex, from Heath, LDG, W9GR
> and many others, this 
> is the first to arrive short parts/hardware.  And
> while the shortage is 
> minor, it is specialized and significant enough to
> stop me cold in the 
> build process and add yet another week to the final
> K3 experience.  
> Simply put, it has been deflating. Yet more delay.
> While Elecraft was 
> attentive to this matter over the phone and in a
> response from 
> K3Support, I am still not sure if the parts are
> headed this way as no 
> confirmation has been positively received. This will
> be my last kit 
> experience. I should have bought it factory
> assembled as I planned 
> originally. But I bought into the kit mystique.
> Never again.
> 
> Concerns:
> I am both a CW and SSB operator as non-contesting
> DX'er. SSB TX issues 
> are important to me. Several reports are surfacing
> here and elsewhere 
> from very reputable sources about the current lack
> of SSB bandwidth and 
> the lack of more "powerful" modulation. I urge
> Elecraft to address these 
> issues ASAP (now perhaps with more priority than the
> second receiver.)  
> This will be a deal breaker for me if not rectified.
> IMO it should have 
> been correct out of the box. This K3 will be
> evaluated against my highly 
> modified Ten Tec Omni V.9 which has for my operating
> requirements beat 
> out every transceiver on both CW and SSB since its
> arrival here at this 
> QTH, bar none, including my Pro III which for all
> its true Rx warts is a 
> pretty darn good value for the $$.
> 
> I paid my $$ and took my chances and hope that this
> will all get 
> rectified in the end. And for those of you who may
> think that I should 
> not air complaints in public, I ask, did yours
> arrive complete?
> 
> My $.02
> 
> 73 de N1LQ-Dave
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RE: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WW WPX RTTY

2008-02-09 Thread Greg
You have to send it just as you would a single letter, no extra spacing.

73
Greg
AB7R


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did dit dah dah doesn't work in my K3.

David,

Did you try that?
Mark
--- David Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 22:33:53 +
> To: Elecraft Reflector 
> From: David Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WW WPX RTTY
>
> In a recent message, G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes
> >One problem seems to be that when the RX; command
> is sent, the TX sends 3 or
> >4 seconds of idle before going to RX.
> Julian -
> You need to send di-di-dah-dah at the end of your
> transmission. It will
> then go immediately onto Receive. Page 32 refers to
> this, along with the
> break sign which will extend the idle time.
>
> 73
> --
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> West Yorkshire, England, UK
>
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Re: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WW WPX RTTY

2008-02-09 Thread Andrew Faber
This does work.  I just made 4 qsos in the contest with Field Tester Ed 
Muns, P49X, using my K3 without any special software.  What works for me is 
to record messages in memories in CW mode, then send them in Data mode (FSK 
D).  At the end of each message add the character Greg describes, all sent 
as one character.  Make sure the text decoder seems to be reading the 
message correctly, as sometimes either less or more spacing than sounds 
right on CW seems to be necessary to get the message just right.  The TX 
TEST mode is very helpful for this.

 73, Andy, AE6Y
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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WW WPX RTTY



You have to send it just as you would a single letter, no extra spacing.

73
Greg
AB7R


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did dit dah dah doesn't work in my K3.

David,

Did you try that?
Mark
--- David Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 22:33:53 +
To: Elecraft Reflector 
From: David Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WW WPX RTTY

In a recent message, G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes
>One problem seems to be that when the RX; command
is sent, the TX sends 3 or
>4 seconds of idle before going to RX.
Julian -
You need to send di-di-dah-dah at the end of your
transmission. It will
then go immediately onto Receive. Page 32 refers to
this, along with the
break sign which will extend the idle time.

73
--
David G4DMP
West Yorkshire, England, UK


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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Battery ratings

2008-02-09 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 2/9/08 3:24:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


> The "real" AH ratings for batteries ... the kind we're referring to
> in this topic ... are difficult to learn.  Most automotive-related
> ratings are specified in"cranking amperes", and this is -not- the
> rating that of interest here. 

Agreed. That's because amp-hour rating doesn't mean much by itself in auto 
applications.


 It's consumer hype.

Not at all.

A modern car battery really has only two jobs:

1) To deliver the enormous currents required to start the engine, in all 
temperatures and after having sat idle for long periods of time.

2) To power the electrical system for short periods when the engine isn't 
running or the charging system fails.

1) is the main job, 2) is secondary. Modern alternator/charging systems are 
designed to power everything on the car with the engine at idle. 

What we hams want for backup (small currents for long periods of time) is the 
opposite of what an engine-cranking battery is built to do.
> 
> I'm retired from an electric utility's communications department
> where we used various typed of LARGE battery banks.  Our 
> microwave stations all had "large" battery banks.  

I work in railroad signalling, with similar requirements. The battery banks 
can get quite impressive, such as sixty 420 AH lead-acid cells for the switch 
machines - and that's one bank in one medium-size location.

For standby service, some RRs use wet-cell NiCads, made by SAFT and other 
companies. They have better regulation, longer life, and tolerate things like 
being discharged down to almost nothing. They also stand extreme temperatures 
better. But they are only 1.25 volts per cell and cost more than lead-acid. 

Two other factors:

Car batteries have to tolerate not only heat and cold but shock and 
vibration. Stationary batteries usually have much better conditions.

Amp-hour ratings are dependent on discharge rate and final voltage - the 
higher the rate and/or final voltage, the lower the apparent amp-hours. A 
typical 
rating is 8 hours and 1.75 volts per cell such as "40 AH at the 8 hour rate, 
to 1.75 volts per cell", which means that a fully-charged new battery can 
deliver 5 amps for 8 hours before its voltage falls to the specified 1.75 volts 
per 
cell. (Note that 1.75 volts per cell in a six-cell battery is only 10.5 
volts) 

At higher rates, the same battery will appear to have fewer AH - at a 
discharge rate of 10 A, it may only last 2 hours before reaching 1.75 volts per 
cell. 
OTOH, at low rates the cell may deliver much more than the 8 hour rating. 
Similar results from accepting higher or lower final volts-per-cell.

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[Elecraft] K2 Two Alien Problems

2008-02-09 Thread Fred Jensen

OK, only one is Elecraft-related.

1.  Not Elecraft One:  15m RTTY, K2/100 feeding amp to 500W, DC muffin 
fan on KPA100 heatsink, tower is ENE of the back corner of the house 
about 15m away, beam at 070.  All is well.  Turn antenna to WNW 
[starting to get over the house], and when I transmit, the fan stops. 
While transmitting, turn beam back to 070 [away from house], and fan 
slowly speeds up.  This happens when I have the fan on the K2 running 
but I'm transmitting on my soon-to-be-replaced TS-850 at 500W from the 
amp too.  Ideas welcome, no full-moon stories please.


2.  Elecraft one [I think]:  My RTTY set-up is really minimalist.  Sound 
card feeds the mic input, headphone jack feeds the sound card input, VOX 
keys the radio, a splitter feeds a little RS audio amp to my headphones. 
 It's about the complexity I can handle with the gap between RTTY contests.


Regardless of band, I have a very low "rush-rush" sound in the cans.  If 
you remember the movie "Contact," it sounds like the alien prime number 
signal before we did all the DSP to it and found other stuff.  Just 
"rush-rush-rush" about once a second.  [I tried counting them, but so 
far, no prime numbers, I don't think it's ET].  I'm close to deaf so it 
may be a lot louder than I think, but it doesn't show up, that I can 
tell, on the MMTTY displays.  It changes character when I am tuning the 
K2.  It also will change intensity when I move the headphone cord.  I 
can make it stop by tuning the radio real fast.  This does not happen 
when I'm on the 850 [or FT-847].


It doesn't bother me all that much, just curious.  Ideas welcome, let's 
leave full moon stories out of this.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Two Alien Problems

2008-02-09 Thread David Fleming
The rush-rush sound might be serial port noise caused
by mmtty polling the rig. I get serial port noise on
my K2. Or it could indeed be aliens.

David, W4SMT

--- Fred Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK, only one is Elecraft-related.
> 
> 1.  Not Elecraft One:  15m RTTY, K2/100 feeding amp
> to 500W, DC muffin 
> fan on KPA100 heatsink, tower is ENE of the back
> corner of the house 
> about 15m away, beam at 070.  All is well.  Turn
> antenna to WNW 
> [starting to get over the house], and when I
> transmit, the fan stops. 
> While transmitting, turn beam back to 070 [away from
> house], and fan 
> slowly speeds up.  This happens when I have the fan
> on the K2 running 
> but I'm transmitting on my soon-to-be-replaced
> TS-850 at 500W from the 
> amp too.  Ideas welcome, no full-moon stories
> please.
> 
> 2.  Elecraft one [I think]:  My RTTY set-up is
> really minimalist.  Sound 
> card feeds the mic input, headphone jack feeds the
> sound card input, VOX 
> keys the radio, a splitter feeds a little RS audio
> amp to my headphones. 
>   It's about the complexity I can handle with the
> gap between RTTY contests.
> 
> Regardless of band, I have a very low "rush-rush"
> sound in the cans.  If 
> you remember the movie "Contact," it sounds like the
> alien prime number 
> signal before we did all the DSP to it and found
> other stuff.  Just 
> "rush-rush-rush" about once a second.  [I tried
> counting them, but so 
> far, no prime numbers, I don't think it's ET].  I'm
> close to deaf so it 
> may be a lot louder than I think, but it doesn't
> show up, that I can 
> tell, on the MMTTY displays.  It changes character
> when I am tuning the 
> K2.  It also will change intensity when I move the
> headphone cord.  I 
> can make it stop by tuning the radio real fast. 
> This does not happen 
> when I'm on the 850 [or FT-847].
> 
> It doesn't bother me all that much, just curious. 
> Ideas welcome, let's 
> leave full moon stories out of this.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
> - www.cqp.org
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[Elecraft] K3 AFX problem

2008-02-09 Thread mark roz
AFX use to work fb.
Now for some reason when is engaged sounds like NOTCH
on CW and SSB. there is no normal AFX effect.
Any idea??

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Fwd: [Elecraft] K3 AFX problem-Sorry-no problem

2008-02-09 Thread mark roz
Just intermittent headphones adapter.  SORRY

--- mark roz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:21:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: mark roz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Elecraft 
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3  AFX problem
> 
> AFX use to work fb.
> Now for some reason when is engaged sounds like
> NOTCH
> on CW and SSB. there is no normal AFX effect.
> Any idea??
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark  
> 
> 
>  
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[Elecraft] Rob Sherwood's K3 test data -- quick summary

2008-02-09 Thread wayne burdick
Rob Sherwood, NC0B, an independent and well-known receiver performance 
specialist, has completed his K3 receiver tests. We're pleased with the 
results, which will place the K3 at the top of his comparison chart.


Rob will be updating his web site in a few days. For now, I'll just 
mention a couple of his numbers (with his permission).


Elecraft K3, S/N 00149, 20 meters, preamp off:   

  Dynamic Range 20 kHz  104 dB
  Dynamic Range 5 kHz   102 
  Dynamic Range 2 kHz   101*

* with 200 Hz 5-pole filter

  Blocking above noise floor at 100 kHz spacing, AGC On:  140 dB
  Phase noise (normalized) at 10 kHz spacing:  138 dBc/Hz

Rob performs some tests differently that we (and the ARRL) do, but in 
general we're all in close agreement. Note that the unit under test had 
only Elecraft 5-pole filters. Our tests show the 8-pole filters to be 
as good or better, and we sent some of them to Rob to test when he gets 
a chance.


73,
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[Elecraft] A Trade?

2008-02-09 Thread scott laughlin
Hi,

I have a brand new KAM XL still sealed in its plastic
jacket and everything that Kantronics included with
it.  Never opened.

I want to trade for a K1 or KX1 four-band kit that's
still sealed.  Never opened

Let me know off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Elecraft] K3 Shipping Status

2008-02-09 Thread Dave Agsten

I'm wondering if anyone has heard of K3 shipping dates
for orders later than May 25th? I received an invoice
number/notice last Sunday but one item was missing
from it. I notified Lisa of the issue immediately and
was told I'd receive a corrected invoice. I've heard
nothing since. The original invoice said the radio
would ship in 5 to 7 daysfrom last Sunday. Even if
that's business days, I would think I should have
heard something by now. Tuesday, the 12th would be 7
business days. 

Any updates from anyone?

Tnx es 73,
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[Elecraft] Sherwood data

2008-02-09 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Well, I guess the champaign is bubbling over in Aptos.

Congrats!

de Doug KR2Q
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Error question

2008-02-09 Thread Greg
Rich,

Just found your orig email.

If you want you can call me up till 9pm PST this evening at 360-320-3436.
Or tomorrow but I will probably be in and out.

73
Greg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Lim
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM
To: Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Error question


Hi guys, I just got around to building my K3, awesome
kit!

Anyhow, I was wondering if someone can help me out a
little bit until I can talk to customer support on
Monday.

While doing the initial synthesizer calibration I keep
getting an error message. I get "Error VCO" and the
error code is "3". When I turn the rid on I get
the "Error PL1" message.  I did check jumpers and the
crystal as suggested and they are correct. Any ideas?

Rich
KQ9L

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Re: [Elecraft] K1...

2008-02-09 Thread Brett Gazdzinski
Don,
Thanks for the K1 info.
Is there ay reason you cant make the K1 tune higher in freq
by tuning the knob clockwise?
I think the manual said it tunes the other way...

No one makes a 15 turn 10K pot?
That would make it tune nice I suppose..


> 
> A properly operating K2 does not have the problems you suggest - the 
> tuning 'pops' are the result of an open RFC15, and it covers all bands.  
> The K2 receiver is more sensitive than the K1, so you may want to 
> reconsider your choice.]

I was talking about the reported little tics as the rig is tuned, something
switches in the circuit that generates the LO frequency, 
I read it in the K2 manual. I never noticed it till I read about it here,
and I cant say it bothered me, but it is there..(or was on my K2)...

I dont think you can get rid of the slight frequency 
changes as you change filters, or am I wrong about that?



> > 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> 

Thanks for the info, I cant wait to get the K1 to play with
but its back orderd

Brett
N2DTS
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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2008-02-09 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   I got so caught up in reading old Dave Barry columns I forgot what day it 
was :)  I also want to watch a DVD I bought the other day so I'd better get 
cracking!  (Sidenote: Lenny Bernstein and Steven Sondheim wrote the music and 
lyrics to the play so you should be able to figure out the movie.)
   Weather has changed in just the last two days.  Instead of incessant snow we 
are now getting a little rain and it is warming.  The snow is still pretty deep 
but I was able to drive all the way home today without having to get out and 
turn the lockouts on my hubs.  Spring may or may not be on its way but I am 
burning a bit less wood.  That's good because I am about to start on the last 
pile I've cut.  
   The sun has sent out a little burst which may hit the Earth tonight or 
tomorrow.  Hopefully that will perk things up a bit so we can have a couple 
good nets.  As the sun moves further north we are gaining more daylight so 
working the east will be getting easier.  

Please join us tomorrow evening.
 
1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP  help)
 
Sunday 2300z (Sunday 3 PM PST) 14050 kHz
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