Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Manual

2008-07-31 Thread Julian, G4ILO



wb8yqj wrote:
 
 Great job guys - filled in the new CONFIG table and a
 fine index to boot. vy Fb... 
 
Is it available in hard copy to purchase? Alternatively, does anyone know of
a service that can print and bind a PDF file in the UK?

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SV: [Elecraft] New K3 Manual

2008-07-31 Thread Lennart Michaelsson





wb8yqj wrote:

 Great job guys - filled in the new CONFIG table and a
 fine index to boot. vy Fb...

Is it available in hard copy to purchase? Alternatively, does anyone know of
a service that can print and bind a PDF file in the UK?

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Julian, G4ILO

Many of us are still waiting for the 2nd RX option to be delivered.
I suggest that an updated hard copy for the entire K3 would be delivered
from Elecraft together with that, free or not I do not care much. It seems
more efficient getting it from there as they will be printing for subsequent
deliveries of K3.

Len/SM7BIC

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Re: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Manual

2008-07-31 Thread d.cutter
In A5 size wud be nice for /P

David
G3UNA
 
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 wb8yqj wrote:
  
  Great job guys - filled in the new CONFIG table and a
  fine index to boot. vy Fb... 
  
 Is it available in hard copy to purchase? Alternatively, does anyone know of
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[Elecraft] Problem with K2 computer interface

2008-07-31 Thread Brian
Good morning everyone, 

 

I have just started fooling around with ham radio deluxe with my K2 and have
run into a snag.  The Radio stopped talking to the computer.  Everything
worked fine for about 24 hours and just stopped. I didn't change anything as
far as I know so I'm stumped.  I checked my solder connections on the cable,
reloaded the driver for the USB to serial cable and made sure PORT was still
turned on.  On HRD I am getting a message   K2, COM4, 4800, Failed to read
frequency.  Make sure your radio is switched on and not in memory mode.  If
you are using a homemade/nonstandard cable you may need to select RTS  and
/or DTR.  When I try to use the K2 Remote program I get the message K2 is
not responding.  Please check radio power and RS232 Comm Port.  Any
suggestions?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Brian

N1WNC

K2 5946

 

 

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Re: [K3] [Elecraft] Problems with K3 KXV3 IF Output Level?

2008-07-31 Thread Bill W4ZV



Fern Rivard wrote:
 
 Good evening Lyle:
 
 I honestly don't know where you're getting those levels from as I
 already reported to you back in April/08 that the levels at the I F output
 were pretty well non existent. There is just no tracking of levels at the
 I F out with what is fed into the antenna input of the receiver. I even
 used a 15 db amplifier from Jack Smith of Clifton Laboratories without any
 luck as there is simply no levels to play with there. I believe that Jack
 Smith also queried you about that without getting a proper reply as yet
 from you. I realize that nobody is perfect but why are we dogging a proper
 reply and/or fix for that?
 Fern with K3  #412
 

See N8LP's comments below.  My IF OUT level improved ~7.5 dB with his mod
which involves changing R8 to 15k and R9 to 50 ohms on the K3 RF Board.  

73,  Bill

Re: [LP-PAN] Re: K3 IF output

The NF of LP-PAN by itself is the same as the K3 with preamp off. A
signal at about -127dBm (0.1uV) can be heard about equally well with 500
Hz filter above the noise floor of about -135dBm. But the overall NF of
LP-PAN depends on the K3. This is because the losses in the K3 mixer /
internal buffer add to the NF. In a stock K3, these losses add up to
about 17dB. Turning the K3 preamp on helps a lot, since the preamp has
low NF and adds gain ahead of the losses, where it has a greater effect
on the overall NF.

The simple mod I did to my K3 internal buffer reduces the losses by
almost 10dB, while only reducing the IP3 of the system by a couple dB.
My modified K3 / LP-PAN combo has an overall NF that is below
atmospheric noise here on all bands but 10m... with the K3 preamp off.
This seems to me to be a reasonable balance of signal handling and
sensitivity. Turning the K3 preamp on, without the mod, produces a
similar result as I recall. Unless you regularly see signals above
-20dBm, leaving the K3 preamp on should not be a problem. I haven't seen
a signal that strong here yet, even during FD where I had two stations
within a mile of my QTH.

I haven't heard anything more from Wayne about the possibility of a
running change in the K3 circuit, but the mod is simple to do if you
like. It's changing two resistors (actually one can be paralleled to the
existing one), similar to doing the HAGC mod. Several users have done it.

73,
Larry N8LP

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Jan Erik Holm

Or BF981 would work nicely. However don´t know how hard to
get they are these days.
A preamp with NF below 1 can easily be built with a BF981,
forexample the YU1AW cavity design with BF981.

73 Jim SM2EKM
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Jack Colson wrote:

I personally would use a MGF-1302.

73
Jack, W3TMZ

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Don:

The U310's are not too easy to find these days. Vishay seems to be the 
most common (only?) new production supplier and the one-off price is 
about $14 from Mouser or Arrow.  Digikey, Allied and Newark only stock 
the SOT23 plastic surface mount version. TO-92 plastic case parts, the 
J310, are around 25 cents each. The U310 and J310 are supposed to have 
the same die, so differences should be attributed to the case, but who 
knows what goes inside the package these days, particularly if it is 
from China.


If I were building a pre-amp based upon a U310, I would start with a 
J310 and get it thoroughly debugged before experimenting with U310's 
at $14 a pop.


It's something like the 40673 dual gate FET - once ubiquitous and now 
difficult to find and expensive when found.



Jack K8ZOA

Don Wilhelm wrote:

Bob,

While I cannot speak from my own measurements, but in EMRFD, Wes 
Hayward recommends the U310s for VHF/UHF rather than the J310.  The 
case of the U310 is connected to the gate, and when used in a 
grounded gate configuration, the case can be mounted (upside down) 
into a hole in the PC board, and I believe that alone should provide 
better input to output isolation.  The Vishay data sheet indicates a 
slightly lower noise figure for the U310.


I would suggest that you try the J310s.  If you find them lacking, it 
should be easy to change to U310s, I would guess that at 50 MHz, it 
may be a 'toss-up' decision.


73,
Don W3FPR

Bob Tellefsen wrote:

Hi John
I've been looking at this circuit for some time.
I have a number of J310s, but no U310s.
Do you know whether they are the same
animal, just in different casings?
73, Bob N6WG


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Re: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Manual

2008-07-31 Thread Julian, G4ILO



David Cutter wrote:
 
 In A5 size wud be nice for /P
 
 David
 G3UNA
 
 

Laurent Ferracci, F1JKJ (http://www.ferracci.org - laurent at
ferracci.org) has offered to print and bind the manual for free, and post it
to anyone in Europe for EUR 5 sent to him by PayPal. He can do A4 or A5. He
has authorized me to post this offer to the list, as the reflector is
blocking him as a spammer.

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Jan Erik Holm

Oh well a cavity design might not be the way to go on 6m,
it might get a bit too big when I think about it.
A very low NF isn´t needed in the first place. There are
a ton of transistors that can be used, after all it´s
only 50 MHz.

/SM2EKM
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Jan Erik Holm wrote:

Or BF981 would work nicely. However don´t know how hard to
get they are these days.
A preamp with NF below 1 can easily be built with a BF981,
forexample the YU1AW cavity design with BF981.

73 Jim SM2EKM
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Jan Erik Holm

MGF1302 is a GaSFet transistor. Used to be popular in preams
on 144/432 MHz amongst EME´ers.

A device like that is far from needed on 50 MHz also since
the MGF1302 is designed for a much higher frequency it actually
might not be a good deal to use it on 50 MHz.
I would stay away from GaSFet´s and Dual Gate MosFet´s on
50 MHz, not needed.
A 2N5109 might be a good deal.

/ de SM2EKM


Bob Tellefsen wrote:

Don't think I've seen that kind of model number before, Jack.
What is it and who makes it?
Thanks and 73
Bob N6WG

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I personally would use a MGF-1302.

73
Jack, W3TMZ



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FW: [Elecraft] Problem with K2 computer interface (Problem Solved)

2008-07-31 Thread Brian
Problem is solved thanks to  OZ7UV

 

Thanks again

 

73 

N1WNC

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Re: [Elecraft] Problem with K2 computer interface

2008-07-31 Thread Don Wilhelm

Brian,

First check the easy things - the menu settings.  Does your K2 still 
have a sidetone?  Press SPOT to see.  If no sidetone, go into the menu 
for ST L and EDIT the parameter, then tap the DISPLAY button until you 
hear the sidetone (the sidetone source must be U8-4 for the computer 
interface to work).

Secondly, go into the secondary menu and be certain PORT is set to ON.

Next, on your computer make sure the COM port settings are correct - in 
HRD check to see if the COM port is the same one your computer is 
actually using for the USB to serial adapter and that the rate is set to 
4800.  If possible, try using a computer with a real serial port while 
you are checking things out.


If that does not cure your problem, you are in for some signal tracing 
and troubleshooting.


73,
Don W3FPR

Brian wrote:
Good morning everyone, 

 


I have just started fooling around with ham radio deluxe with my K2 and have
run into a snag.  The Radio stopped talking to the computer.  Everything
worked fine for about 24 hours and just stopped. I didn't change anything as
far as I know so I'm stumped.  I checked my solder connections on the cable,
reloaded the driver for the USB to serial cable and made sure PORT was still
turned on.  On HRD I am getting a message   K2, COM4, 4800, Failed to read
frequency.  Make sure your radio is switched on and not in memory mode.  If
you are using a homemade/nonstandard cable you may need to select RTS  and
/or DTR.  When I try to use the K2 Remote program I get the message K2 is
not responding.  Please check radio power and RS232 Comm Port.  Any
suggestions?

  

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[Elecraft] Canceled my K3, bummer.

2008-07-31 Thread Gary D Krause
I canceled my K3 order.  With the price of food and fuel along with everything 
else, I figured it would be smart to hold off for now.


The good news is that I still have my K2 which is a terrific rig and I'm 
guessing that everyone else gets bumped up another notch!


I still plan to buy a K3, it's just not going to happen as soon as I wanted.

Gary, N7HTS



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[Elecraft] Canceled my K3, bummer.

2008-07-31 Thread Johnny Siu

Hello Gary,

It's ok.  Perhaps, you will be able to get a more mature K3 later.  Bearing in 
mind, K2 becomes 'stabilised' after s/n 4xxx.

cheers,

Johnny Siu VR2XMC

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 I canceled my K3 order.  With the price of food and fuel
 along with everything 
 else, I figured it would be smart to hold off for now.
 
 The good news is that I still have my K2 which is a
 terrific rig and I'm 
 guessing that everyone else gets bumped up another notch!
 
 I still plan to buy a K3, it's just not going to happen
 as soon as I wanted.
 
 Gary, N7HTS
 



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RE: [Elecraft] Problem with K2 computer interface (Problem Solved)

2008-07-31 Thread Brian
Here was the solution to my problem.  Simple fix but I would never have
known.  The credit goes to Jim Purvis via Svend, OZ7UV.  Thanks

 

First access the secondary menus by pressing MENU then DISPLAY.
Scroll to PORT and insure it is ON. Press EDIT to underscore the ON.

 



Since the MCU in the K2 must be set to use pin 25 as a data port, be
sure the sidetone and SPOT button works in CW mode.  Other wise, U6 pin
25 may be setup as a sidetone source and not as a data pin.  It is
changed between the two by editing the ST L menu entry and pressing the
Display button until U8-4 is seen rather then U6-25.  You may have to
switch off the power after you make this change if the sidetone sitll
doesnt work and repeat the process several times it is is unsuccessful. (I
did not have to switch off or try more than once.)
   
  In a nut shell  go to ST L menu and see if you are using U6-25 for
sidetone.  IF SO change it to U8-4.  This will free up U6-25 for use as a
data pin.



 

Thanks again, 

 

Brian

N1WNC

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[Elecraft] Re: Problems with K3 KXV3 IF Output Level?

2008-07-31 Thread Lyle Johnson

...There is just no tracking of levels at the I F
out with what is fed into the antenna input of the receiver.


If that were true, LP-PAN, SDR-14 and SDR0IQ could not be used as 
panadaptors.  But they can and are being used, so one can only conclude 
that the output at the IF jack most assuredly follows the signal at the 
input.


Note that there are a mulititude of signals at the IF output connector 
since this is the unfiltered output from the mixer post-amplifier. 
These signals must be accounted for in any device which attaches to the 
IF output jack.  See  URL:http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html  and 
scroll about halfway down the page to L.O. leakage / isolation: for 
details


The lower the impedance of the attached load, the lower the gain (or 
increased loss) there will be at the IF output.  We're talking microvolt 
levels here, not hundreds of millivolts.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] K3 Anybody heard anything on the status of KDVR3

2008-07-31 Thread Jim Miller
K3 Anybody heard anything on the status of KDVR3?  

Tnx es 73, de Jim KG0KP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Anybody heard anything on the status of KDVR3

2008-07-31 Thread Lyle Johnson
K3 Anybody heard anything on the status of KDVR3?  


It is actively being worked on.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Bob Tellefsen
Yes, I have a number of 2N5109s.  I use them
in my HF preamps.
Thanks, Jan Erik.
73, Bob N6WG

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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp


 MGF1302 is a GaSFet transistor. Used to be popular in preams
 on 144/432 MHz amongst EME´ers.

 A device like that is far from needed on 50 MHz also since
 the MGF1302 is designed for a much higher frequency it actually
 might not be a good deal to use it on 50 MHz.
 I would stay away from GaSFet´s and Dual Gate MosFet´s on
 50 MHz, not needed.
 A 2N5109 might be a good deal.

 / de SM2EKM
 

 Bob Tellefsen wrote:
  Don't think I've seen that kind of model number before, Jack.
  What is it and who makes it?
  Thanks and 73
  Bob N6WG
 
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  I personally would use a MGF-1302.
 
  73
  Jack, W3TMZ
 

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[Elecraft] New K3 Manual

2008-07-31 Thread Don Rasmussen
Hey Julian,

Dang - what a generous offer, it's not often the US
boys end up on the wrong side of the pond. ;-)

I did what I always to, printed the manual double
sided, hole punched it, then penciled in my notes
(like the K3 CONFIG settings). 

Also include the color printed assembly manual in that
binder which is one step up from Elecraft's hardcopy. 

On a side note - if you have LP-Pan try the panadapter
to 1500ms averaging, IMO it compares favorably with
the IC756p integrated display. Very cool. 

[Elecraft] New K3 Manual
Julian, G4ILO julian.g4ilo at gmail.com 
Thu Jul 31 07:27:49 EDT 2008 

Laurent Ferracci, F1JKJ (http://www.ferracci.org -
laurent at ferracci.org) has offered to print and
bind the manual for free, and post it to anyone in
Europe for EUR 5 sent to him by PayPal. He can do A4
or A5. 
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Problems with K3 KXV3 IF Output Level?

2008-07-31 Thread Jack Smith

Lyle:

As we have discussed, the K3 does not follow the normal 
commercial/military practice of providing a 1:1 relationship between the 
IF sample and the signal level at the antenna port. Since the K3 has a 
switchable pre-amp, the 1:1  relationship would presumably be with the 
pre-amp off.


As I understand it, there's something like a 15 dB difference between 
the signal level at the antenna input port and the IF sample out. I'll 
have a better feel for this when my K3 arrives (ordered in May 2007; has 
been waiting for the 2nd  receiver, maybe shipped in August 2008), but 
I've had reported to me a couple of measurements in that range.


The J310 used to provide the K3's IF sample has a voltage divider on the 
input that knocks down the signal level from the sample point. In 
addition, the J310 in source follower mode has an output impedance in  
the 100-200 ohm range, depending on idle bias current. (Output impedance 
is 1/gm and gm varies with bias/idle current.) Thus, if connected to a 
50 ohm device, such as a spectrum analyzer or a receiver, there's an 
additional loss in the 10 dB range.


Now, a Softrock or Larry's LP-PAN has enough sensitivity to overcome 
most or all of this loss, but it's still a design error.


(The IF sample can also be amplified by an external amplifier such as my 
Z1-U. If configured in high Z input mode, the J310's output 
impedance becomes a non-issue.)


Jack K8ZOA
www.cliftonlaboratories.com

Lyle Johnson wrote:

...There is just no tracking of levels at the I F
out with what is fed into the antenna input of the receiver.


If that were true, LP-PAN, SDR-14 and SDR0IQ could not be used as 
panadaptors.  But they can and are being used, so one can only 
conclude that the output at the IF jack most assuredly follows the 
signal at the input.


Note that there are a mulititude of signals at the IF output connector 
since this is the unfiltered output from the mixer post-amplifier. 
These signals must be accounted for in any device which attaches to 
the IF output jack.  See  URL:http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html 
 and scroll about halfway down the page to L.O. leakage / 
isolation: for details


The lower the impedance of the attached load, the lower the gain (or 
increased loss) there will be at the IF output.  We're talking 
microvolt levels here, not hundreds of millivolts.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Anybody heard anything on the status of KDVR3

2008-07-31 Thread LANCE COLLISTER

Lyle Johnson wrote:
 K3 Anybody heard anything on the status of KDVR3?  
 
 It is actively being worked on.
 
 73,
 
 Lyle KK7P
 
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I have been advised yesterday evening by Katiegram that it won't be available 
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late fall.  73, Lance

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Re: [Elecraft] Problems with K3 KXV3 IF Output Level?

2008-07-31 Thread Jerry Flanders
Fern, I am using the IF output AOK from my K3/KXV3. I am using it 
with a Clifton Labs isolation Z1U buffer/preamp with very low 
gain into a Softrock40 With a LO of 8191 kHz with WU2X's version of 
PowerSDR as the panadaptor display, offset by 24 kHz (8215-8191). 
This with a Delta-44 sound card sampling at 96 kHz.


I would estimate that, with a 50 uV signal into the K3, the KXV3 is 
putting out something in the 20-50 uV range. Using my test oscillator 
at 1 uV output into the K3, I see an obvious peak on the panadaptor, 
so the sensitivity is OK. I haven't calibrated PowerSDR levels yet, 
but it is already near the correct S9 level on the display for 50 uV 
from my test oscillator into the K3.


Connect up another receiver to the KXV3's IF output and see if you 
don't hear sigs repeated on it when  you tune it near 8.215 MHz. If 
the K3 is hearing sigs, you should hear sigs on that second rx near 
whatever freq the K3 is tuned to, and their levels will be similar to 
what the K3 is hearing. This will tell you if your K3/KXV3 is working OK.


Keep working on it - the PowerSDR panadaptor is the best I have ever 
used in 35 years of using panadaptors.


Jerry W4UK

At 12:08 AM 7/31/2008, Fern Rivard wrote:

Good evening Lyle:

I honestly don't know where you're getting those levels from as 
I already reported to you back in April/08 that the levels at the I 
F output were pretty well non existent. There is just no tracking 
of levels at the I F out with what is fed into the antenna input of 
the receiver. I even used a 15 db amplifier from Jack Smith of 
Clifton Laboratories without any luck as there is simply no levels 
to play with there. I believe that Jack Smith also queried you 
about that without getting a proper reply as yet from you. I 
realize that nobody is perfect but why are we dogging a proper 
reply and/or fix for that?

Fern with K3  #412



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From: Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Don Ehrlich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KXV3 IF Output Level?


 The 2nd antenna input works as expected but my oscilloscope shows no
 signal (5 mV) coming from the IF Output on the KXV3.  What IF signal
 level should I be seeing?

It will be about the same level as at the antenna, or perhaps less,
depending on settings of PRE, ATT, etc.

73,

Lyle KK7P


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[Elecraft] KX1 Q6 question...

2008-07-31 Thread Dave G.
Can anyone help on the following...
At what serial number did the PA (Q6) change from a 2SC2166 to a 
2SC5739??
Was there any other reason than getting away from the metal tab??
Better performance?? Or

TIA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-31 Thread Larry Phipps
I think what Eric is saying is that if you watch PowerSDR and listen to the K3 / KRX3, it will be a super combination. You will be able to see the passbands of both VFO A and VFO B frequencies and tune either one from the K3 or pan display, as long as the sub-receiver is tuned to within +/- 90kHz of the main receiver. 


There are some good reasons why listening to the K3 / KRX3 is desirable, 
especially for CW (and why the K3 blows the doors off the Flex Radios for CW). 
The main ones are the latency of the DSP processing in PowerSDR, and the serial 
interface of the K3. Under extreme contest situations, the added protection of 
the HAGC will be needed, and on the higher bands (10,6m), the K3 has more 
usable sensitivity because the transfer loss at the K3 IF output port adds to 
the NF of the panadapter. And the KRX3 allows cross band listening, more filter 
slots, etc.

But many non-contesters will find that using the sub receiver in PowerSDR will 
be a viable option, especially in SSB. PowerSDR is no slouch when it comes to 
IMD and BDR, and has excellent DSP filtering. Up to about S9 + 65dB (K3 preamp 
off) the BDR is comparable to the K3 at spacings down to less than 1 kHz. Of 
course, in both cases transmitter IMD will be a bigger problem than BDR anyway.

Either way, the operational flexibility of the panadapter in split mode is a 
killer feature. Being able to see holes in a pileup and click on them, or 
quickly jump to the frequency of the last guy who was answered will be 
invaluable. When full VFO B support is released in a couple weeks, I'll have 
some beta testers with KRX3s in hand, and I can get some comparative feedback.

Larry N8LP



Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:19:10 -0700
From: Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' elecraft@mailman.qth.net, 'Eric Swartz -
WA6HHQ, Elecraft' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The part that confuses me is the mention that [PowerSDR] fully
integrates with the KRX3's main and sub RX frequenciy on its panoramic
display.  


Thats what it does now.  But in order for the KRX3 to actually be adding
anything you'd have to be listening to its output with the full K3
filter chain.  Cause you're not going to correct the dynamic range
problems unless you're doing that.  


Then I don't see how it could allow you to be more than 192KHz/2 away
from your main center freq as you'd have to have two sound cards and two
IF outputs in order to pull that off.  I guess I don't really see a
SubRX adding much to the PowerSDR setup unless you use one RX as a
spotter and the other as simply a K3.  I think that 2 K3's would be a
better setup for that.

I see the subRX in the K3 as a way to make the K3 a better unit as a
standalone unit.  Which I think is one thing that the K3 does really
well especially since you can make RTTY/PSK contacts with just a K3
sitting on your desk and nothing else.  You can also run it as a contest
station for both CW and SSB (once the DVR is out).  I find it quite fun
how much one can get done without the need to interface it to a
computer.  Now don't get me wrong I'm a total computer guy and I find it
even cooler that while it does all this stuff to not require you to have
a computer it also makes is SOOO easy to interface to one when you
decide you want to.  


So I guess all in all color me happy yet still confused as to the KRX3
adding much to a powerSDR setup.

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[Elecraft] [K3] VFO A/B mode/filter settings

2008-07-31 Thread Bill W5WVO
Seems like there must be an easy way to do this, but I don't seem
to know it. Help, please:

I want to be able to copy the mode and filter settings from one
VFO to the other. For example, I have VFO A set up for narrow-band
SSB reception. But when I copy VFO AB, only the frequency is
copied. The previous mode and filter settings for VFO B remain. I
can see instances where you want this behavior (like monitoring CW
with one VFO, SSB with the other), but for many of my purposes,
it's a real pain. Any way to change this behavior? Sorry if this
is RTFM.

Bill W5WVO

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Anybody heard anything on the status of KDVR3

2008-07-31 Thread dj7mgq
I have been advised yesterday evening by Katiegram that it won't be   
available until late fall.


Wow! What a late arrival.

I ordered mine on the April the 28th, 2007. ca. 12.00z - quite a  
delay,if you ask me, but on the other hand I'm very very glad that  
Wayne  Eric haven't rushed the main baby. Maybe I shouldn't wait any  
longer for the KDVR3 before asking Elecraft to ship the stuff I've got  
on back order (FM-Filter, second RX, etc.).


vy 73 de toby

PS: I'm also still awaiting the KPA1500 option...  ;-)
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2007-April/066538.html

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Re: [Elecraft] KX1 Q6 question...

2008-07-31 Thread Don Wilhelm

Dave,

I don't know the exact serial number, but the change has been quite 
recent.  I can state with certainty that the 2SC5739 shipped with KX1 SN 
2059.

The motivation for the change was to use an RoHS compliant part.
Extra benefit is derived by having the plastic tab (note that the 
shoulder washer should not be used, but it is still being packed with 
the kit).
The 2SC5739 does seem to have higher gain at higher frequencies than the 
2SC2166, so your 20 meter output may improve if you change it, but I can 
offer no guarantees on that, the two devices are quite similar.


Should you make the change and find your power output is above 4 watts, 
reduce the setting of R1 to the 4 watt level.  The components in the KX1 
PA output stage can be stressed at power levels much in excess of 4 watts.


73,
Don W3FPR

Dave G. wrote:

Can anyone help on the following...
At what serial number did the PA (Q6) change from a 2SC2166 to a 
2SC5739??

Was there any other reason than getting away from the metal tab??
Better performance?? Or

TIA

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] VFO A/B mode/filter settings

2008-07-31 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill,

Tap AB twice.  This was introduced several versions of the firmware 
back.  The folks who are operating cross mode do not want the mode 
transferred, only the frequency, but other situations require that the 
full contents are copied.
So tap once to transfer only the frequency and tap twice to transfer 
everything.


73,
Don W3FPR

Bill W5WVO wrote:

Seems like there must be an easy way to do this, but I don't seem
to know it. Help, please:

I want to be able to copy the mode and filter settings from one
VFO to the other. For example, I have VFO A set up for narrow-band
SSB reception. But when I copy VFO AB, only the frequency is
copied. The previous mode and filter settings for VFO B remain. I
can see instances where you want this behavior (like monitoring CW
with one VFO, SSB with the other), but for many of my purposes,
it's a real pain. Any way to change this behavior? Sorry if this
is RTFM.

  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Jim Brown
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:33:53 -0400, Jack Smith wrote:

Yes, I have several ferrite core 2.5 mH chokes here, including the 
Hammond one you mention. There's a significant difference in high 
frequency performance of the pi wound on ceramic form versus the smaller 
pi-wound over ferrite and that's one of the things I'm hoping to 
illustrate in the article. 

The RFI and Ferrite tutorial on my website includes clear explanations of 
the nature of ferrite materials from a circuit point of view. You may find 
it helpful in explaining why your very correct in your analysis. You are 
welcome to cite it as a reference. 

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

However -- ANY 2.5 mH choke has a good chance of looking capacitive at 50 
MHz. 

73,

Jim Brown K9YC



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[Elecraft] Re: KX1 Q6 question....

2008-07-31 Thread Dave G.
Don,

Thanks for the reply..

 The 2SC5739 does seem to have higher gain at higher frequencies than
 the 2SC2166, so your 20 meter output may improve if you change it,
 but I can offer no guarantees on that
The plastic tab safety factor was obvious but, of course, I was wondering if 
there was an 
improvement in the upper frequency efficiency.

Should you make the change and find your power output is above 4 watts,
 reduce the setting of R1 to the 4 watt level. The components in the KX1 PA
 output stage can be stressed at power levels much in excess of 4 watts.
I will definitely keep tha in mind... on the surface it looks like a simple 
swap --- the thing to 
decide is if there is a real noticeable performance improvement...

Thanks again...

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[Elecraft] Re: [K3] VFO's A/B switching between bands

2008-07-31 Thread David Wilburn
Amazing what you remember right after hitting the send button.  Like 
putting K3 in the subject.


David Wilburn
K4DGW



David Wilburn wrote:
Is it possible to set VFO A to one band, and VFO B to a second band? I 
recall some discussion about this in the past, but do not remember if it 
was on a tudo list, or if it will be a limitation.


As an example, place VFO A on the 20m band CW mode, and VFO B at a 
location on the 40m band CW mode.  I have done this with other rigs, is 
there a menu setting I am missing, or a limitation of the rig?  I just 
did a couple of quick searches through the documentation, but I did not 
see a reference to it.


I am using the 2.20 firmware.  I see that it is supported with the 
sub-receiver.


It is handy during a contest to set VFO B to another band, and bounce 
there periodically to check activity / propagation, while CQ'ing.



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[Elecraft] K3 S/N 1327

2008-07-31 Thread Mike Short

K3/100
KAT3
KXV3
Ordered March 6, 2008
Katiegram July 18, 2008
Shipped July 23, 2008
Arrived July 30, 2008 in Navarre, FL

Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Jack Smith

Jim:

Thank you for the reference.

Indeed, the self-resonant frequency of  the  typical small (FT50 size) 
chokes I've wound are in the 5-10 MHz range, but at 100 MHz some 
(depending upon the  core material) still show enough Z to be useful. 
For truly wideband 10 KHz - 100 MHz choke action, it's necessary to 
series two wound with different core material and turns, e.g., 35 turns 
on Steward 40 material for the 2.5 mH, followed by, e.g., 10 turns on 
FairRite 43 material for  50 MHz.


You have to pay particular attention to the u' and u'' values of the 
ferrite material and how they change with frequency as this is a case 
where core loss at high frequencies can be good.


Jack K8ZOA


Jim Brown wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:33:53 -0400, Jack Smith wrote:

  
Yes, I have several ferrite core 2.5 mH chokes here, including the 
Hammond one you mention. There's a significant difference in high 
frequency performance of the pi wound on ceramic form versus the smaller 
pi-wound over ferrite and that's one of the things I'm hoping to 
illustrate in the article. 



The RFI and Ferrite tutorial on my website includes clear explanations of 
the nature of ferrite materials from a circuit point of view. You may find 
it helpful in explaining why your very correct in your analysis. You are 
welcome to cite it as a reference. 


http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

However -- ANY 2.5 mH choke has a good chance of looking capacitive at 50 
MHz. 


73,

Jim Brown K9YC



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[Elecraft] 6M Preamp

2008-07-31 Thread Mike Short

Wes Haywards has a preamp using BF998 MOSFETs
 http://www.w7zoi.net/lna50.pdf. The PDF is a 50MHz preamp and instructions
to build one ugly style.
The MOSFET's will cost you $1.25 for about 20-30 of them. 
Just another option for a 6M preamp

Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: [K3] VFO's A/B switching between bands

2008-07-31 Thread David Wilburn
Based on this, I thought it might be on the Tudo list.  But then I 
recall a firmware fix that addressed a cross-band problem.  So I'm not 
sure if they are addressing that issue, or the using A/B between bands 
issue.


http://n2.nabble.com/K3%3A-VFO-B-follows-band-changes-on-VFO-A-td466460.html

David Wilburn
K4DGW

'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then 
beat you with experience.' - author anonymous



S Sacco wrote:

David -

As you say, it is supported with the sub-receiver.

You answered your own question.

The next question is: Is it worth $500 for this feature?.

So far, I've decided against...but then again, I have two K3's, and
have them set up so that the 2nd K3 can on any band the 1st K3 is not
on.

73,
Steve


On 7/31/08, David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Amazing what you remember right after hitting the send button.  Like putting
K3 in the subject.

David Wilburn
K4DGW



David Wilburn wrote:

Is it possible to set VFO A to one band, and VFO B to a second band? I

recall some discussion about this in the past, but do not remember if it was
on a tudo list, or if it will be a limitation.

As an example, place VFO A on the 20m band CW mode, and VFO B at a

location on the 40m band CW mode.  I have done this with other rigs, is
there a menu setting I am missing, or a limitation of the rig?  I just did a
couple of quick searches through the documentation, but I did not see a
reference to it.

I am using the 2.20 firmware.  I see that it is supported with the

sub-receiver.

It is handy during a contest to set VFO B to another band, and bounce

there periodically to check activity / propagation, while CQ'ing.



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[Elecraft] VFO's A/B switching between bands

2008-07-31 Thread David Wilburn
Is it possible to set VFO A to one band, and VFO B to a second band? 
I recall some discussion about this in the past, but do not remember 
if it was on a tudo list, or if it will be a limitation.


As an example, place VFO A on the 20m band CW mode, and VFO B at a 
location on the 40m band CW mode.  I have done this with other rigs, 
is there a menu setting I am missing, or a limitation of the rig?  I 
just did a couple of quick searches through the documentation, but I 
did not see a reference to it.


I am using the 2.20 firmware.  I see that it is supported with the 
sub-receiver.


It is handy during a contest to set VFO B to another band, and bounce 
there periodically to check activity / propagation, while CQ'ing.


--
David Wilburn
K4DGW

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-31 Thread Brett Howard
Ok then...  This is pretty much exactly what I expected and makes perfect
sense.  Thanks Larry...  I have to admit that after seeing that video that
the LP-PAN/PowerSDR kit is more than I'd originally thought but you do have
to give up a bit in order to use it that way.  Cool thing is that you only
give it up while you operate in that fashion.  As soon as you go back to
using the rig directly and using the panadapter as a panadapter (rather than
a lot of the rig) all of the K3 happiness is back.  

Very cool gentlemen!  Its exciting to see how quickly people are jumping on
to make products for the K3 that work so well so soon!

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

I think what Eric is saying is that if you watch PowerSDR and listen to the
K3 / KRX3, it will be a super combination. You will be able to see the
passbands of both VFO A and VFO B frequencies and tune either one from the
K3 or pan display, as long as the sub-receiver is tuned to within +/- 90kHz
of the main receiver. 

There are some good reasons why listening to the K3 / KRX3 is desirable,
especially for CW (and why the K3 blows the doors off the Flex Radios for
CW). The main ones are the latency of the DSP processing in PowerSDR, and
the serial interface of the K3. Under extreme contest situations, the added
protection of the HAGC will be needed, and on the higher bands (10,6m), the
K3 has more usable sensitivity because the transfer loss at the K3 IF output
port adds to the NF of the panadapter. And the KRX3 allows cross band
listening, more filter slots, etc.

But many non-contesters will find that using the sub receiver in PowerSDR
will be a viable option, especially in SSB. PowerSDR is no slouch when it
comes to IMD and BDR, and has excellent DSP filtering. Up to about S9 + 65dB
(K3 preamp off) the BDR is comparable to the K3 at spacings down to less
than 1 kHz. Of course, in both cases transmitter IMD will be a bigger
problem than BDR anyway.

Either way, the operational flexibility of the panadapter in split mode is a
killer feature. Being able to see holes in a pileup and click on them, or
quickly jump to the frequency of the last guy who was answered will be
invaluable. When full VFO B support is released in a couple weeks, I'll have
some beta testers with KRX3s in hand, and I can get some comparative
feedback.

Larry N8LP



Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:19:10 -0700
From: Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' elecraft@mailman.qth.net, 'Eric Swartz -
WA6HHQ, Elecraft' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The part that confuses me is the mention that [PowerSDR] fully
integrates with the KRX3's main and sub RX frequenciy on its panoramic
display.  

Thats what it does now.  But in order for the KRX3 to actually be adding
anything you'd have to be listening to its output with the full K3
filter chain.  Cause you're not going to correct the dynamic range
problems unless you're doing that.  

Then I don't see how it could allow you to be more than 192KHz/2 away
from your main center freq as you'd have to have two sound cards and two
IF outputs in order to pull that off.  I guess I don't really see a
SubRX adding much to the PowerSDR setup unless you use one RX as a
spotter and the other as simply a K3.  I think that 2 K3's would be a
better setup for that.

I see the subRX in the K3 as a way to make the K3 a better unit as a
standalone unit.  Which I think is one thing that the K3 does really
well especially since you can make RTTY/PSK contacts with just a K3
sitting on your desk and nothing else.  You can also run it as a contest
station for both CW and SSB (once the DVR is out).  I find it quite fun
how much one can get done without the need to interface it to a
computer.  Now don't get me wrong I'm a total computer guy and I find it
even cooler that while it does all this stuff to not require you to have
a computer it also makes is SOOO easy to interface to one when you
decide you want to.  

So I guess all in all color me happy yet still confused as to the KRX3
adding much to a powerSDR setup.

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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] VFO A/B mode/filter settings

2008-07-31 Thread Brett Howard
Press the button twice in quick succession.  The first press copies only the
freq the second press with in I think 3 seconds copies all information
across.

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Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] VFO A/B mode/filter settings

Seems like there must be an easy way to do this, but I don't seem
to know it. Help, please:

I want to be able to copy the mode and filter settings from one
VFO to the other. For example, I have VFO A set up for narrow-band
SSB reception. But when I copy VFO AB, only the frequency is
copied. The previous mode and filter settings for VFO B remain. I
can see instances where you want this behavior (like monitoring CW
with one VFO, SSB with the other), but for many of my purposes,
it's a real pain. Any way to change this behavior? Sorry if this
is RTFM.

Bill W5WVO

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Alan Bloom
When you wire two chokes of different value in series, you almost always
get a series-resonant hole in the attenuation somewhere between the
parallel-resonant frequencies of the two chokes.  It's not hard to see
why that's true if you model each choke as an ideal inductor in parallel
with a capacitor.  So you need to design the combination so that the
series-resonant frequency falls somewhere unimportant.

Al N1AL


On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 09:14, Jack Smith wrote:
 Jim:
 
 Thank you for the reference.
 
 Indeed, the self-resonant frequency of  the  typical small (FT50 size) 
 chokes I've wound are in the 5-10 MHz range, but at 100 MHz some 
 (depending upon the  core material) still show enough Z to be useful. 
 For truly wideband 10 KHz - 100 MHz choke action, it's necessary to 
 series two wound with different core material and turns, e.g., 35 turns 
 on Steward 40 material for the 2.5 mH, followed by, e.g., 10 turns on 
 FairRite 43 material for  50 MHz.
 
 You have to pay particular attention to the u' and u'' values of the 
 ferrite material and how they change with frequency as this is a case 
 where core loss at high frequencies can be good.
 
 Jack K8ZOA
 
 
 Jim Brown wrote:
  On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:33:53 -0400, Jack Smith wrote:
 

  Yes, I have several ferrite core 2.5 mH chokes here, including the 
  Hammond one you mention. There's a significant difference in high 
  frequency performance of the pi wound on ceramic form versus the smaller 
  pi-wound over ferrite and that's one of the things I'm hoping to 
  illustrate in the article. 
  
 
  The RFI and Ferrite tutorial on my website includes clear explanations of 
  the nature of ferrite materials from a circuit point of view. You may find 
  it helpful in explaining why your very correct in your analysis. You are 
  welcome to cite it as a reference. 
 
  http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf
 
  However -- ANY 2.5 mH choke has a good chance of looking capacitive at 50 
  MHz. 
 
  73,
 
  Jim Brown K9YC
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Jack Smith

Indeed such is the case, and it is quite pronounced with high Q inductors.

You may wish, however, to model and/or measure two series chokes when 
both are wound on lossy ferrite material. The response looks quite 
different. The resistance in parallel with the inductors radically 
modifies the response when the material causes the inductor Q to be  1.


I'll E-mail you some early measurements and a quick simulation plots.

Jack K8ZOA

Alan Bloom wrote:

When you wire two chokes of different value in series, you almost always
get a series-resonant hole in the attenuation somewhere between the
parallel-resonant frequencies of the two chokes.  It's not hard to see
why that's true if you model each choke as an ideal inductor in parallel
with a capacitor.  So you need to design the combination so that the
series-resonant frequency falls somewhere unimportant.

Al N1AL


On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 09:14, Jack Smith wrote:
  

Jim:

Thank you for the reference.

Indeed, the self-resonant frequency of  the  typical small (FT50 size) 
chokes I've wound are in the 5-10 MHz range, but at 100 MHz some 
(depending upon the  core material) still show enough Z to be useful. 
For truly wideband 10 KHz - 100 MHz choke action, it's necessary to 
series two wound with different core material and turns, e.g., 35 turns 
on Steward 40 material for the 2.5 mH, followed by, e.g., 10 turns on 
FairRite 43 material for  50 MHz.


You have to pay particular attention to the u' and u'' values of the 
ferrite material and how they change with frequency as this is a case 
where core loss at high frequencies can be good.


Jack K8ZOA


Jim Brown wrote:


On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:33:53 -0400, Jack Smith wrote:

  
  
Yes, I have several ferrite core 2.5 mH chokes here, including the 
Hammond one you mention. There's a significant difference in high 
frequency performance of the pi wound on ceramic form versus the smaller 
pi-wound over ferrite and that's one of the things I'm hoping to 
illustrate in the article. 


The RFI and Ferrite tutorial on my website includes clear explanations of 
the nature of ferrite materials from a circuit point of view. You may find 
it helpful in explaining why your very correct in your analysis. You are 
welcome to cite it as a reference. 


http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

However -- ANY 2.5 mH choke has a good chance of looking capacitive at 50 
MHz. 


73,

Jim Brown K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Darrell Bellerive
I've been looking for a pair of RFC's to bleed the static off of my parallel 
feedline to ground. Have a couple of resistors, but would prefer a lower 
resistance DC path to ground. The antenna is used for the 160 through 6 meter 
ham bands and general coverage receiving so having something that would have 
a high impedance from 10 kHz to 100 MHz would be great.

Would this type of choke be suitable?

Darrell  VA7TO  K2 #5093

On Thursday 31 July 2008 09:14, Jack Smith wrote:
 Jim:

 Thank you for the reference.

 Indeed, the self-resonant frequency of  the  typical small (FT50 size)
 chokes I've wound are in the 5-10 MHz range, but at 100 MHz some
 (depending upon the  core material) still show enough Z to be useful.
 For truly wideband 10 KHz - 100 MHz choke action, it's necessary to
 series two wound with different core material and turns, e.g., 35 turns
 on Steward 40 material for the 2.5 mH, followed by, e.g., 10 turns on
 FairRite 43 material for  50 MHz.

 You have to pay particular attention to the u' and u'' values of the
 ferrite material and how they change with frequency as this is a case
 where core loss at high frequencies can be good.

 Jack K8ZOA

 Jim Brown wrote:
  On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:33:53 -0400, Jack Smith wrote:
  Yes, I have several ferrite core 2.5 mH chokes here, including the
  Hammond one you mention. There's a significant difference in high
  frequency performance of the pi wound on ceramic form versus the smaller
  pi-wound over ferrite and that's one of the things I'm hoping to
  illustrate in the article.
 
  The RFI and Ferrite tutorial on my website includes clear explanations of
  the nature of ferrite materials from a circuit point of view. You may
  find it helpful in explaining why your very correct in your analysis. You
  are welcome to cite it as a reference.
 
  http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf
 
  However -- ANY 2.5 mH choke has a good chance of looking capacitive at 50
  MHz.
 
  73,
 
  Jim Brown K9YC
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Alan Bloom
Good point.  That's why ferrite beads make good parasitic suppressors -
at VHF frequencies they act more like resistors than inductors.

Where I ran into this problem was trying to come up with a plate choke
for a kilowatt amplifier that would work from 1.8 to 19.7 MHz.  The high
inductance needed for the 160 meter band pretty much guaranteed poor
performance at 10 meters.  I couldn't make the choke lossy because it
would burn up at those power levels.  The solution was to use two chokes
in series and select values that resulted in a series resonance that
fell safely in between amateur bands.

Al N1AL


On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 10:34, Jack Smith wrote:
 Indeed such is the case, and it is quite pronounced with high Q inductors.
 
 You may wish, however, to model and/or measure two series chokes when 
 both are wound on lossy ferrite material. The response looks quite 
 different. The resistance in parallel with the inductors radically 
 modifies the response when the material causes the inductor Q to be  1.
 
 I'll E-mail you some early measurements and a quick simulation plots.
 
 Jack K8ZOA
 
 Alan Bloom wrote:
  When you wire two chokes of different value in series, you almost always
  get a series-resonant hole in the attenuation somewhere between the
  parallel-resonant frequencies of the two chokes.  It's not hard to see
  why that's true if you model each choke as an ideal inductor in parallel
  with a capacitor.  So you need to design the combination so that the
  series-resonant frequency falls somewhere unimportant.
 
  Al N1AL
 
 
  On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 09:14, Jack Smith wrote:

  Jim:
 
  Thank you for the reference.
 
  Indeed, the self-resonant frequency of  the  typical small (FT50 size) 
  chokes I've wound are in the 5-10 MHz range, but at 100 MHz some 
  (depending upon the  core material) still show enough Z to be useful. 
  For truly wideband 10 KHz - 100 MHz choke action, it's necessary to 
  series two wound with different core material and turns, e.g., 35 turns 
  on Steward 40 material for the 2.5 mH, followed by, e.g., 10 turns on 
  FairRite 43 material for  50 MHz.
 
  You have to pay particular attention to the u' and u'' values of the 
  ferrite material and how they change with frequency as this is a case 
  where core loss at high frequencies can be good.
 
  Jack K8ZOA
 
 
  Jim Brown wrote:
  
  On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:33:53 -0400, Jack Smith wrote:
 


  Yes, I have several ferrite core 2.5 mH chokes here, including the 
  Hammond one you mention. There's a significant difference in high 
  frequency performance of the pi wound on ceramic form versus the smaller 
  pi-wound over ferrite and that's one of the things I'm hoping to 
  illustrate in the article. 
  
  
  The RFI and Ferrite tutorial on my website includes clear explanations of 
  the nature of ferrite materials from a circuit point of view. You may 
  find 
  it helpful in explaining why your very correct in your analysis. You are 
  welcome to cite it as a reference. 
 
  http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf
 
  However -- ANY 2.5 mH choke has a good chance of looking capacitive at 50 
  MHz. 
 
  73,
 
  Jim Brown K9YC
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Problems with K3 KXV3 IF Output Level?

2008-07-31 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Hi Jack,

Lyle was referring to tracking of signal levels (i.e. level changes), 
not absolute gain.


In our case, the IF output was designed specifically for internal use by 
a possible future Elecraft option and fully meets our design needs in 
this area. It has sufficient signal for this use and clearly works with 
other external devices that are designed to handle these levels, as 
noted by Lyle. We were very concerned about having an overly strong IF 
signal inside the K3 and kept this level as low as possible to avoid 
additional RX and TX spur generation inside the radio. Our intent was to 
have it amplified by an external, higher input impedance, amplifier as 
noted in your email.


Regards,
Eric


Jack Smith wrote:

Lyle:

As we have discussed, the K3 does not follow the normal 
commercial/military practice of providing a 1:1 relationship between 
the IF sample and the signal level at the antenna port. Since the K3 
has a switchable pre-amp, the 1:1  relationship would presumably be 
with the pre-amp off.

..
Now, a Softrock or Larry's LP-PAN has enough sensitivity to overcome 
most or all of this loss, but it's still a design error.


(The IF sample can also be amplified by an external amplifier such as 
my Z1-U. If configured in high Z input mode, the J310's output 
impedance becomes a non-issue.)


Jack K8ZOA
www.cliftonlaboratories.com

Lyle Johnson wrote:

...There is just no tracking of levels at the I F
out with what is fed into the antenna input of the receiver.
If that were true, LP-PAN, SDR-14 and SDR0IQ could not be used as 
panadaptors.  But they can and are being used, so one can only 
conclude that the output at the IF jack most assuredly follows the 
signal at the input.


Note that there are a mulititude of signals at the IF output 
connector since this is the unfiltered output from the mixer 
post-amplifier. These signals must be accounted for in any device 
which attaches to the IF output jack.  See  
URL:http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html  and scroll about halfway 
down the page to L.O. leakage / isolation: for details


The lower the impedance of the attached load, the lower the gain (or 
increased loss) there will be at the IF output.  We're talking 
microvolt levels here, not hundreds of millivolts.

73,
Lyle KK7P




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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] VFO A/B mode/filter settings

2008-07-31 Thread David Wilburn
I was surprised the first time this 'bit' me.  I had forgot about the 
note to push twice.  Works for me.  Great stuff, thanks.


David Wilburn
K4DGW




Don Wilhelm wrote:

Bill,

Tap AB twice.  This was introduced several versions of the firmware 
back.  The folks who are operating cross mode do not want the mode 
transferred, only the frequency, but other situations require that the 
full contents are copied.
So tap once to transfer only the frequency and tap twice to transfer 
everything.


73,
Don W3FPR

Bill W5WVO wrote:

Seems like there must be an easy way to do this, but I don't seem
to know it. Help, please:

I want to be able to copy the mode and filter settings from one
VFO to the other. For example, I have VFO A set up for narrow-band
SSB reception. But when I copy VFO AB, only the frequency is
copied. The previous mode and filter settings for VFO B remain. I
can see instances where you want this behavior (like monitoring CW
with one VFO, SSB with the other), but for many of my purposes,
it's a real pain. Any way to change this behavior? Sorry if this
is RTFM.

  

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[Elecraft] RF Chokes (renamed)

2008-07-31 Thread Jack Smith
This is probably drifting away from Elecraft specific topics, but a 
quick answer to your question is maybe yes or maybe no.


The issue is what happens when one puts large RF voltages across these 
lossy ferrite-based chokes. In my application, it isn't an issue but it 
certainly can be as was mentioned earlier in, e.g., a plate choke 
environment or in your case where high voltage across parallel feed 
lines is possible.


I would be hesitant to use this design across a parallel transmission 
line without first measuring the impedance of the chokes over the 
transmitting frequency range and evaluating the expected voltage across 
the chokes and the consequent power dissipation in the cores.


There's also a possible concern with the chokes generating harmonics if 
driven into or close to magnetic saturation.


Sorry to not be able to give a direct answer but it's not a questions 
permitting a yes or no response.


Jack K8ZOA


Darrell Bellerive wrote:
I've been looking for a pair of RFC's to bleed the static off of my parallel 
feedline to ground. Have a couple of resistors, but would prefer a lower 
resistance DC path to ground. The antenna is used for the 160 through 6 meter 
ham bands and general coverage receiving so having something that would have 
a high impedance from 10 kHz to 100 MHz would be great.


Would this type of choke be suitable?

Darrell  VA7TO  K2 #5093

On Thursday 31 July 2008 09:14, Jack Smith wrote:
  


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RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-31 Thread Jerry Flanders
Only time I would use PowerSDR for listening is when I want AM or FM. 
I don't have either crystal filter in my K3 and PowerSDR is extemely 
good on AM receive. Haven't tried FMn, but  expect the same there. 
Also, DRM receive is possible for those who want it.


Jerry W4UK

At 12:44 PM 7/31/2008, Brett Howard wrote:

Ok then...  This is pretty much exactly what I expected and makes perfect
sense.  Thanks Larry...  I have to admit that after seeing that video that
the LP-PAN/PowerSDR kit is more than I'd originally thought but you do have
to give up a bit in order to use it that way.  Cool thing is that you only
give it up while you operate in that fashion.  As soon as you go back to
using the rig directly and using the panadapter as a panadapter (rather than
a lot of the rig) all of the K3 happiness is back.

Very cool gentlemen!  Its exciting to see how quickly people are jumping on
to make products for the K3 that work so well so soon!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Phipps
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:25 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

I think what Eric is saying is that if you watch PowerSDR and listen to the
K3 / KRX3, it will be a super combination. You will be able to see the
passbands of both VFO A and VFO B frequencies and tune either one from the
K3 or pan display, as long as the sub-receiver is tuned to within +/- 90kHz
of the main receiver.

There are some good reasons why listening to the K3 / KRX3 is desirable,
especially for CW (and why the K3 blows the doors off the Flex Radios for
CW). The main ones are the latency of the DSP processing in PowerSDR, and
the serial interface of the K3. Under extreme contest situations, the added
protection of the HAGC will be needed, and on the higher bands (10,6m), the
K3 has more usable sensitivity because the transfer loss at the K3 IF output
port adds to the NF of the panadapter. And the KRX3 allows cross band
listening, more filter slots, etc.

But many non-contesters will find that using the sub receiver in PowerSDR
will be a viable option, especially in SSB. PowerSDR is no slouch when it
comes to IMD and BDR, and has excellent DSP filtering. Up to about S9 + 65dB
(K3 preamp off) the BDR is comparable to the K3 at spacings down to less
than 1 kHz. Of course, in both cases transmitter IMD will be a bigger
problem than BDR anyway.

Either way, the operational flexibility of the panadapter in split mode is a
killer feature. Being able to see holes in a pileup and click on them, or
quickly jump to the frequency of the last guy who was answered will be
invaluable. When full VFO B support is released in a couple weeks, I'll have
some beta testers with KRX3s in hand, and I can get some comparative
feedback.

Larry N8LP



Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:19:10 -0700
From: Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' elecraft@mailman.qth.net, 'Eric Swartz -
WA6HHQ, Elecraft' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The part that confuses me is the mention that [PowerSDR] fully
integrates with the KRX3's main and sub RX frequenciy on its panoramic
display.

Thats what it does now.  But in order for the KRX3 to actually be adding
anything you'd have to be listening to its output with the full K3
filter chain.  Cause you're not going to correct the dynamic range
problems unless you're doing that.

Then I don't see how it could allow you to be more than 192KHz/2 away
from your main center freq as you'd have to have two sound cards and two
IF outputs in order to pull that off.  I guess I don't really see a
SubRX adding much to the PowerSDR setup unless you use one RX as a
spotter and the other as simply a K3.  I think that 2 K3's would be a
better setup for that.

I see the subRX in the K3 as a way to make the K3 a better unit as a
standalone unit.  Which I think is one thing that the K3 does really
well especially since you can make RTTY/PSK contacts with just a K3
sitting on your desk and nothing else.  You can also run it as a contest
station for both CW and SSB (once the DVR is out).  I find it quite fun
how much one can get done without the need to interface it to a
computer.  Now don't get me wrong I'm a total computer guy and I find it
even cooler that while it does all this stuff to not require you to have
a computer it also makes is SOOO easy to interface to one when you
decide you want to.

So I guess all in all color me happy yet still confused as to the KRX3
adding much to a powerSDR setup.

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RE: [Elecraft] RF Chokes (renamed)

2008-07-31 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
 I've been looking for a pair of RFC's to bleed the static off of my 
 parallel
 feedline to ground. Have a couple of resistors, but would prefer a lower 
 resistance DC path to ground. The antenna is used for the 160 through 6
meter 
 ham bands and general coverage receiving so having something that would
have 
 a high impedance from 10 kHz to 100 MHz would be great.

 Would this type of choke be suitable?

 Darrell  VA7TO  K2 #5093

-

I'll add to Jack's comments that, whatever choke you use, it is important
that they have *no* series resonances on any frequency of interest. 

A choke exhibiting a series resonance becomes an RF dead short at that
frequency. 

Virtually *all* chokes show series resonances. That's why non-inductive
resistors are generally used to bleed the static off of an antenna. (That's
not for lightning grounding, of course, but just to avoid the build up of
snow and rain static that can cause QRN in a receiver). 

Where wide frequency ranges are needed, such as in the high-impedance plate
circuits of vacuum tube amplifiers, you'll normally see what amounts to
several chokes in series. The first one will have relatively few turns for
adequate inductance at the highest frequency, the next choke (or section of
one choke) will have more turns, etc. That way, there is still adequate
inductance even when one of the sections hits a series resonance. 

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: [K3] VFO's A/B switching between bands

2008-07-31 Thread David Wilburn
Just to clarify, I am asking about using one VFO on one band and the 
other VFO on another band.  Same antenna.  No need for a second RX. 
Historically this has been a basic capability of transceivers like the 
IC-706MKIIG.


I do not expect to hear from both VFO's at the same time.  Its an 
either or thing.  VFO A on 20m, VFO B on 40m, hit the A/B switch to 
toggle between the two.  Check and see what is going on, on 40m.


The choices that I see are;
This is on the list.  If so, no problem, I can wait.
This is not, and will not be a capability of this radio.
I have missed a menu setting that will let me do this.
None of the above.

David Wilburn
K4DGW




David Wilburn wrote:
Based on this, I thought it might be on the Tudo list.  But then I 
recall a firmware fix that addressed a cross-band problem.  So I'm not 
sure if they are addressing that issue, or the using A/B between bands 
issue.


http://n2.nabble.com/K3%3A-VFO-B-follows-band-changes-on-VFO-A-td466460.html 



David Wilburn
K4DGW

'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat 
you with experience.' - author anonymous



S Sacco wrote:

David -

As you say, it is supported with the sub-receiver.

You answered your own question.

The next question is: Is it worth $500 for this feature?.

So far, I've decided against...but then again, I have two K3's, and
have them set up so that the 2nd K3 can on any band the 1st K3 is not
on.

73,
Steve


On 7/31/08, David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Amazing what you remember right after hitting the send button.  Like 
putting

K3 in the subject.

David Wilburn
K4DGW



David Wilburn wrote:

Is it possible to set VFO A to one band, and VFO B to a second band? I
recall some discussion about this in the past, but do not remember if 
it was

on a tudo list, or if it will be a limitation.

As an example, place VFO A on the 20m band CW mode, and VFO B at a

location on the 40m band CW mode.  I have done this with other rigs, is
there a menu setting I am missing, or a limitation of the rig?  I 
just did a

couple of quick searches through the documentation, but I did not see a
reference to it.

I am using the 2.20 firmware.  I see that it is supported with the

sub-receiver.

It is handy during a contest to set VFO B to another band, and bounce

there periodically to check activity / propagation, while CQ'ing.



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[Elecraft] K2 USB interface

2008-07-31 Thread Robert Clutson


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[Elecraft] K2 USB interface

2008-07-31 Thread Robert Clutson
When using the K2 with PSK I use the computer 9-pin serial port for the PTT. 
With only one serial port I then lose the digital read-out from the K2 into my 
logging program (LOG-EQF).
Is there any published advice on connecting the K2 digital output to a USB port?
thanks
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[Elecraft] Beta 2.22 and Noise Reduction problem

2008-07-31 Thread Bob Tellefsen
Just finished installing the 2.22 beta.
Took the rig back to the shack and ran through the
various controls I use the most often.
No problem with the Noise Blanker but the
Noise Reduction does not work now.
I went through every menu I could find, and 
KNB3 is ON and seems to work ok.  I couldn't
find any menu choices for the NR function though.
Whether I tap or hold the NR button, all I
get is N/A.

Have I missed something or is there a bug in
this beta?

Thanks and 73
Bob N6WG

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[Elecraft] K3 ESSB

2008-07-31 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi All,

Has anyone discovered when this firmware feature will be released?

Last I heard from Elecraft it was being worked on and was possible that it
would be released at the end of July.

Gay
K3/100 #679

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Re: [Elecraft] Canceled my K3, bummer.

2008-07-31 Thread Fred Jensen

Gary D Krause wrote:
I canceled
my K3 order.  With the price of food and fuel along with everything 
else, I figured it would be smart to hold off for now.


The good news is that I still have my K2 which is a terrific rig and I'm 
guessing that everyone else gets bumped up another notch!


Hmmm ... you could have taken your K3 slot in the queue, bundled it 
with others who need to cancel, create a group of K3 Backed 
Securities, used them as collateral for a bond issue, and then bought a 
slot back, getting the original K3 and all the while feeding your family 
and fueling the car.  After all, it worked just super with mortgages.


73,

Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] Beta 2.22 and Noise Reduction problem

2008-07-31 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bob,

Are you possibly in DATA or FM mode?  The NR function is not available 
in those modes, hence the N/A display.
I have 2.22 loaded and have no similar problem with the NR in CW, SSB or 
AM modes.


73,
Don W3FPR.

Bob Tellefsen wrote:

Just finished installing the 2.22 beta.
Took the rig back to the shack and ran through the
various controls I use the most often.
No problem with the Noise Blanker but the
Noise Reduction does not work now.
I went through every menu I could find, and 
KNB3 is ON and seems to work ok.  I couldn't

find any menu choices for the NR function though.
Whether I tap or hold the NR button, all I
get is N/A.

Have I missed something or is there a bug in
this beta?

Thanks and 73

  

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Re: [Elecraft] Beta 2.22 and Noise Reduction problem

2008-07-31 Thread Bob Tellefsen
Hi Don
As usual, it turned out to be very simple.
Just neglected to check the AGC ON.
Once I changed it, all was well.
Thanks and 73
Bob N6WG

- Original Message - 
From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Bob Tellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beta 2.22 and Noise Reduction problem


 Bob,

 Are you possibly in DATA or FM mode?  The NR function is not
available
 in those modes, hence the N/A display.
 I have 2.22 loaded and have no similar problem with the NR in CW,
SSB or
 AM modes.

 73,
 Don W3FPR.

 Bob Tellefsen wrote:
  Just finished installing the 2.22 beta.
  Took the rig back to the shack and ran through the
  various controls I use the most often.
  No problem with the Noise Blanker but the
  Noise Reduction does not work now.
  I went through every menu I could find, and
  KNB3 is ON and seems to work ok.  I couldn't
  find any menu choices for the NR function though.
  Whether I tap or hold the NR button, all I
  get is N/A.
 
  Have I missed something or is there a bug in
  this beta?
 
  Thanks and 73
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Beta 2.22 and Noise Reduction problem

2008-07-31 Thread Vic K2VCO

Bob Tellefsen wrote:

Just finished installing the 2.22 beta.
Took the rig back to the shack and ran through the
various controls I use the most often.
No problem with the Noise Blanker but the
Noise Reduction does not work now.
I went through every menu I could find, and 
KNB3 is ON and seems to work ok.  I couldn't

find any menu choices for the NR function though.
Whether I tap or hold the NR button, all I
get is N/A.


NR does not work if AGC is OFF.

This is because there are some circumstances in which the DSP can be 
made to oscillate with NR and no AGC.

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Re: [Elecraft] Canceled my K3, bummer.

2008-07-31 Thread W7TEA

Maybe you could have put your order on hold to keep your spot in the queue
and then reactivate when economic condx allow.  Maybe too late now, but that
was an
option earlier this year.

Gary W7TEA


Gary D Krause wrote:
 
 I canceled my K3 order.  With the price of food and fuel along with
 everything 
 else, I figured it would be smart to hold off for now.
 
 The good news is that I still have my K2 which is a terrific rig and I'm 
 guessing that everyone else gets bumped up another notch!
 
 I still plan to buy a K3, it's just not going to happen as soon as I
 wanted.
 
 Gary, N7HTS
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ESSB

2008-07-31 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Wayne is working on it now.
73, Eric


Gary Gregory wrote:

Hi All,

Has anyone discovered when this firmware feature will be released?

Last I heard from Elecraft it was being worked on and was possible that it
would be released at the end of July.

Gay
K3/100 #679

  

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[Elecraft] K3 Beginner

2008-07-31 Thread Brian Short

I am on the list to receive a basic 10w K3 kit, soon.

Evidently, some are using an SDR radio on the IF
output for a bandscope?

Am I way off, here?

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 USB interface

2008-07-31 Thread Don Wilhelm

Robert,

You may find the best luck using the USB to serial adapter for PTT 
control for your PSK application and using the real serial port for 
communications with the logging application.


The PTT control is less critical for timing considerations than the 
communications done by the logging software.


73,
Don W3FPR

Robert Clutson wrote:

When using the K2 with PSK I use the computer 9-pin serial port for the PTT. 
With only one serial port I then lose the digital read-out from the K2 into my 
logging program (LOG-EQF).
Is there any published advice on connecting the K2 digital output to a USB port?
thanks
Robert (g0who)

  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beginner

2008-07-31 Thread Lee Buller
Brian

The band scope is being done using LP-PAN form Telepost and some have been 
working on using a Softrock SDR device.  The Softrock works, but there are 
issues with buffering between the K3 and the Softrock SDR.  Some have made 
buffer amps available.

I have an SDR Radio tune to the output of the K3, but have yet to have time to 
get it together with the buffer amp.  Mowing the yard in this rainy summer has 
taken over my life.

Lee
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[Elecraft] K3 ESSB - OT

2008-07-31 Thread Don Rasmussen
Ut - oh - more intense development at N6Kr, hide the
cats. Supposedly he buried three during the K3
development, although I have no information regarding
their specific demise...

[Elecraft] K3 ESSB


Wayne is working on it now.
73, Eric


Gary Gregory wrote:
 Hi All,

 Has anyone discovered when this firmware feature
will be released?

 Last I heard from Elecraft it was being worked on
and was possible that it
 would be released at the end of July.

 Gay
 K3/100 #679

   


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[Elecraft] Fwd: SOFTWARE SOURCES SOUGHT

2008-07-31 Thread Aubrey




Hi to all,

I am associated with a company called Global Link Network 
(GLN).  GLN is looking for a software developer that can provide a 
software module(s) that will interface between a POP3 program (i.e. 
Microsoft Outlook) and a SCS Pactor high frequency radio modem.


If you know of anyone that may be interested, please have them 
contact me directly and I will furnish them with a statement-of-requirements.


Thanks in advance,

Harry F. Wetzel
948 Colonial Drive
St. Augustine, FL  32086
www.AugTec.com
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Beginner

2008-07-31 Thread Dave Van Wallaghen
Brian,

Take a look here: http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html
Lots of fun so far - ever evolving. I had it working for a few hours today
and it holds for a lot of possibilities. Should be practical and cutting
edge at this point IMHO.

73,
Dave W8FGU

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 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beginner
 
 I am on the list to receive a basic 10w K3 kit, soon.
 
 Evidently, some are using an SDR radio on the IF
 output for a bandscope?
 
 Am I way off, here?
 
 Brian
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-31 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:42:16 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote:

That's why ferrite beads make good parasitic suppressors -
at VHF frequencies they act more like resistors than inductors.

EXACTLY!  

The equivalent circuit of a wire going through a ferrite bead is a 
low Q parallel resonant circuit. (For some ferrite materials, its 
two parallel resonant circuits in series.)  When we wind multiple 
turns through or around a core, we increase the capacitance between 
turns and multiply the inductance and loss by N squared, both of 
which serve to move the resonance down in frequency and increase the 
R at resonance. For all practical purposes, Q changes only to the 
extent that u' and u'' are changing with frequency. 

Thus, a material like Fair-Rite #43 which for most form factors has 
a resonance around 200 MHz can provide effective suppression at HF 
by winding multiple turns through it. The tutorial includes a 
development of the equivalent circuit (this work is original with 
me, and was first published in an AES Paper, also on my website). 

73,

Jim Brown K9YC


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[Elecraft] K3: ESSB firmware released to field testers

2008-07-31 Thread wayne burdick
I released MCU revision 2.23 to our K3 field-test group earlier this 
evening, making our promised July deadline for ESSB (Extended Single 
Sideband). The maximum ESSB transmit bandwidth is about 4 kHz -- this 
is also the WIDTH control limit in SSB mode for receive purposes. A 6 
kHz filter (AM) on the RF board is required to use ESSB, either in RX 
or TX mode.


This revision also includes changes that we hope will eliminate the 
power output difference between LSB and USB.


If all goes well, we'll post revision 2.23 on our web site (as a beta 
release) on Friday.


If you have a 6-kHz filter and would like to get a jump on ESSB testing 
(which we'd appreciate), please send me an e-mail and I'll send you a 
.zip file with this firmware revision.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: ESSB firmware released to field testers

2008-07-31 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 A 6 kHz filter (AM) on the RF board is required to use ESSB,
 either in RX or TX mode.

What about the FM filter for transmit and receive?  It's better 
than the typical 20 to 40 KHz wide 70 MHz filter in other rigs. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 

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 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: ESSB firmware released to field testers
 
 
 I released MCU revision 2.23 to our K3 field-test group earlier this
 evening, making our promised July deadline for ESSB (Extended Single 
 Sideband). The maximum ESSB transmit bandwidth is about 4 kHz -- this 
 is also the WIDTH control limit in SSB mode for receive purposes. A 6 
 kHz filter (AM) on the RF board is required to use ESSB, either in RX 
 or TX mode.
 
 This revision also includes changes that we hope will eliminate the
 power output difference between LSB and USB.
 
 If all goes well, we'll post revision 2.23 on our web site (as a beta
 release) on Friday.
 
 If you have a 6-kHz filter and would like to get a jump on
 ESSB testing 
 (which we'd appreciate), please send me an e-mail and I'll send you a 
 .zip file with this firmware revision.
 
 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
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[Elecraft] Re: K3: ESSB firmware released to field testers

2008-07-31 Thread wayne burdick

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


A 6 kHz filter (AM) on the RF board is required to use ESSB,
either in RX or TX mode.


What about the FM filter for transmit and receive?  It's better
than the typical 20 to 40 KHz wide 70 MHz filter in other rigs.


Hi Joe,

We do plan to allow the FM filter to be used for AM and ESSB 
eventually. But this will require additional firmware changes and a lot 
of careful testing. I have several other tasks to complete before I can 
get to it.


73,
Wayne
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[Elecraft] CW rise time

2008-07-31 Thread Andrew Catanzaro

According to my friends and according to MP3 files they have made for me,
the CW note from my K3 serial number 152 sounds fine.  Not as hard as my K2
and not too soft.  I see there is a modification to change the rise time
from 8 to 5 milliseconds by installing a different capacitor  at C222 on the
RF board.  I wonder what value cap is present in currently shipping K3's?
Wonder what people have thought about the change in the CW waveform after
changing this capacitor?

I know there are those who will say if it ain't broke, don't fix it.  But
it's the true Elecraft spirit to make something good even better.

Please answer off list as well as on as I get the reflector in digest form
only.  Thanks!

Andy W9NJY
Milwaukee WI


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