Re: [Elecraft] K3 - CWT ON/OFF change request

2009-01-21 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Great Wayne, thanks, just getting into CW now (you ask why so late -  
slow learner with CW - god I find it hard :-(
But I've found myself hitting CWT all the time.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174

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On 21 Jan 2009, at 04:26, wayne burdick wrote:

 This is already on the list -- now moved up a notch.

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR

 On Jan 20, 2009, at 5:29 PM, W6NEK wrote:

 I would like to request that the operation of the CWT function be
 changed.
 Now when ever I am on CW and enable CWT as soon as I change modes, or
 switch
 bands, the CWT function is turned OFF.  I would like to see the CWT
 function
 remain ON until I turn it OFF.  This function can either be global or
 on a
 per-band basis.  Right now it's a real pain to have to re-enable CWT
 everytime I switch modes, or bands, and return to CW mode.

 I know the firmware change request list is very long but I hope this
 can be
 implemented sooner rather then later.

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[Elecraft] K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread hb9ari
Hello,

I've traced the 2.8 kHz filter response with Mike's
software and i get a little anomaly i can't explain me.
I've a *.bmp file (~825 kB) or a *.txt file (~2kB).
How can i show this unexplained (for me!) anomaly?
I don't find a file upload procedure for this group.

Thank you for your help.

73 QRO fr Rudolf, HB9ARI


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread AD6XY

I am not sure where it ends up but if you use the web to write you will see
an upload file button and an add link button.
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191105/Clipboard01.jpg Clipboard01.jpg 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread AD6XY

And why not use it.

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/27k1.jpg 27k1.jpg 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/2k72.jpg 2k72.jpg 

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/400H1.jpg 400H1.jpg 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/400H2.jpg 400H2.jpg 

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/13kH1.jpg 13kH1.jpg 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/13kh2.jpg 13kh2.jpg 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread hb9ari
Hello,

I wrote this message directly from my e-mail software as i do habitually.
As most of the time i use Yahoo groups, i've a link for  files, pictures
uploading.  I know i've some memory problems (66 y/o) but
i never used  n2.nabble.com.
By looking your 2k7 filter plot, i saw that my anomaly (the little peak
at the right part) is also present on your plot.
For me it's no more a local anomaly and the question is partially closed.

73,
Rudolf


AD6XY wrote:
 I am not sure where it ends up but if you use the web to write you will see
 an upload file button and an add link button.
 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191105/Clipboard01.jpg Clipboard01.jpg 
   
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[Elecraft] K3 for sale - Switzerland Only

2009-01-21 Thread Simon (HB9DRV)
As the firmware is maturing I have less need for my K3, so am offering it for 
sale in Switzerland only. 100W, ATU and 5 filters, unmodified, serial number 37.

Available on loan for a few weeks for evaluation. Price ~ list minus 15%, can 
negotiate.

There is no rush!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread AD6XY

The anomaly is not really an anomaly, it is just the other side of the down
conversion oscillator. For a filter to pass an SSB audio signal the passband
needs to go down to 300Hz or so. For this to happen the attenuation for 0Hz
and image frequencies can't be that far down. That is all it is though it is
probably better with the 8 pole filter. It can also be eliminated by raising
the centre frequency, at the expense of bass response. Unfortunately I don't
think you can do this on transmit, though perhaps you could adjust your
filter offset. That would not work with the USB/LSB inversion below/above
8MHz.

Currently the filter is centred on 1.5kHz by default. The best place for it
but if you narrow it down with DSP it is probably better to raise this to
1.8kHz. I am not sure how the filter shift relates to the DSP filter and the
crystal filter, i.e. which is adjusted, probably both.

However, I find I always need to reduce the filter centre frequency to
maintain intelligibility as I narrow the DSP bandwidth. So to make sense of
a signal within 1.8kHz I need a 1kHz centre frequency. That is not what I
would expect which makes me wonder what the shift control actually does.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 for sale - Switzerland Only

2009-01-21 Thread Simon (HB9DRV)
For 2009 /2010 / 2011 I'll be in the digital software / EME / space radio area 
and just will not be using my K3, it's crazy for it to sit on the shelf next to 
me here.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon (HB9DRV) 


  As the firmware is maturing I have less need for my K3, so am offering it for 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread hb9ari
Mike,

Thank you for the explanation; i understand now that this
false anomaly is present with the 2k7 and 2k8 filters.

May i abuse of your knowledge to explain to me the following
behavior
:
During receive, the 2k7 and 2k8 filter seem to give a ~ 300 Hz at -10dB
frequency; it's ok for my use;
during transmit, the same filters seems to give a ~ 500 Hz at - 10dB
relative to  the 1 kHz attenuation; i've tried to shift the bandpass, but
naturally, the high frequency is shifted too.
As i work essentially with digimodes, i can accommodate with that; but 
what is
the cause of this difference ? (coupling capacitor, etc).
I've tried to play with EQUALIZER, but the ALC bars begin to get
non desired values...

73 QRO fr Rudolf, HB9ARI


AD6XY wrote:
 The anomaly is not really an anomaly, it is just the other side of the down
 conversion oscillator. For a filter to pass an SSB audio signal the passband
 needs to go down to 300Hz or so. For this to happen the attenuation for 0Hz
 and image frequencies can't be that far down. That is all it is though it is
 probably better with the 8 pole filter. It can also be eliminated by raising
 the centre frequency, at the expense of bass response. Unfortunately I don't
 think you can do this on transmit, though perhaps you could adjust your
 filter offset. That would not work with the USB/LSB inversion below/above
 8MHz.

 Currently the filter is centred on 1.5kHz by default. The best place for it
 but if you narrow it down with DSP it is probably better to raise this to
 1.8kHz. I am not sure how the filter shift relates to the DSP filter and the
 crystal filter, i.e. which is adjusted, probably both.

 However, I find I always need to reduce the filter centre frequency to
 maintain intelligibility as I narrow the DSP bandwidth. So to make sense of
 a signal within 1.8kHz I need a 1kHz centre frequency. That is not what I
 would expect which makes me wonder what the shift control actually does.



 Mike
   
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[Elecraft] Glitches in K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread Jack Smith
As I understand it, the K3 switches to a different input bandpass filter 
at 10.000 MHz which I believe is the source of the artifact. You will 
get a cleaner response with K3 Filter if the test signal is not at 10 MHz.

That's unfortunate, as it's easy to find a clean strong 10 MHz reference 
from test gear.

Perhaps Mike should add a reminder in the help file, when he completes 
the higher priority items.

Jack K8ZOA


AD6XY wrote:
 And why not use it.

 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/27k1.jpg 27k1.jpg 
 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/2k72.jpg 2k72.jpg 

 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/400H1.jpg 400H1.jpg 
 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/400H2.jpg 400H2.jpg 

 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/13kH1.jpg 13kH1.jpg 
 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/13kh2.jpg 13kh2.jpg 
   
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Re: [Elecraft] VFO CTS changing

2009-01-21 Thread Ed K1EP
I am not sure that VFO CTS is working properly in 2.78.  One complete 
revolution of the VFO knob changes the frequency 2KHz in CW mode for 
me.  This appears to be the VFO CTS value of 200.  However, I see no 
difference if I have the value at 100, 200, or 400.  Am I missing 
something here?



At 1/4/2009 08:25 PM, wayne burdick wrote:
I this is really happening, Knut, I'll fix it in the next revision. 
Thanks for letting me know.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jan 4, 2009, at 5:15 PM, ab2tc wrote:

I am on the latest firmware, 2.76. Recently I have played around more with
AM listening on the SWL bands and generally found it enjoyable (audio
clearly there from 100-4200Hz when set to do so!!). However there is
definitely an anomaly with the VFO tuning rate (steps per revolution VFO
CTS). For normal SSB ham band use I have this set at 400.  If I go to AM
mode and press coarse to set the step to 1kHz, this gets changed to 100.
This may be intentional; at this big tuning step, 100 steps per revolution
is OK.  But if I go back to SSB and 10Hz tuning step, the CTS is still at
100. I believe this has been around for a while since I have many times
inexplicably found my CTS being set to 100. I can't recall seeing that the
CTS should be mode dependent in any way and I think it's best if left
totally mode independent.

Knut - AB2TC


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Re: [Elecraft] VFO CTS changing

2009-01-21 Thread Bob Cunnings
I have found that a change to VFO CTS does not take effect until power
is cycled - try that.

Bob NW8L

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Ed K1EP k1ep.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am not sure that VFO CTS is working properly in 2.78.  One complete
 revolution of the VFO knob changes the frequency 2KHz in CW mode for
 me.  This appears to be the VFO CTS value of 200.  However, I see no
 difference if I have the value at 100, 200, or 400.  Am I missing
 something here?

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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3: configuration for second antenna routing

2009-01-21 Thread Bob Thompson - N9SF
Hi All,
The diagrams in the Main and Sub Receiver Antenna Routing section of 
the of the Operators Manual are helpful.  But, some confusion might 
be avoided if the internal plug connections could be indicated in some way.

73,
Bob - N9SF

At 09:23 PM 1/20/2009, Don Wilhelm wrote:
Brian,

Whether figure 3 is applicable to your K3 or nor depends on how you have
the subRX antenna connection physically connected.

If you have connected the subRX antenna to the Aux RF BNC connector, the
configuration shown in Figure 3 is not possible whthout changing the
antenna cable to the subRX.  With the cable from the BNC to the subRX
connected, you may choose to connect the subRX to either the main RX
antenna or the the AUX RF input.

To connect the subRX auxiliary input to the non-transmit KAT3 antenna,
the TMP cable from the KAT3 to the subRX antenna input must be in place
(instead of the TMP cable from the BNC).

Factory built K3s with the subRX installed have the BNC cable installed
and a separate TMP cable is shipped with the K3 to allow the user to
change to the non-transmit KAT3 antenna.

All of this is explained on pages 24 and 25 of the KRX3 installation
manual.  The first paragraph on page 25 says it all - only one of these
options can be installed at one time.

73,
Don W3FPR

Brian Machesney wrote:
  Pardon my density, but I can't figure out how to realize the function
  depicted in figure 3 of the K3 Owner's Manual: routing a signal from
  the ANT2 connector to the KRX3 through the KAT3. I don't see anything
  in the FAQ. Can someone, please, tell me how to configure the rig so
  that K1 and K3 are properly actuated.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Brian K1LI
  K1 # 270, K2 # 3070, K3 # 2465
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!

2009-01-21 Thread Kevin
Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Ron,

 I too am a firm believer in the KISS principle.
 Too much automation drives me crazy trying to remember what the 
 automation is trying to do for me.  Oft times the automation does not do 
 what I want to be done.  manual controls forever.

 This is not a vote against automation and ease of use, but there are 
 times when it is more effective to bypass the automatic controls, engage 
 the brain, and get what one wants accomplished.  Automation cannot 
 substitute for individual preferences - that takes 'brain power' - so THINK!

 73,
 Don W3FPR

It seems to me with all the feature requests people are looking for a 
custom radio and wanting the rig to do everything for them. The QSK on 
the Elecraft rigs is very good the way it is. If you don't want to hear 
the band between characters why are you working QSK? Why request a 
feature that could cause serious problems down the road. I guarantee 
as soon as this change makes it out into firmware the list will be 
bombarded with posts like Help, my QSK doesn't work anymore, or I 
want to be able to set the level of ducking manually, .25dB steps 
would be fine thank you, etc, etc, etc *The more complicated 
something is to operate the easier it is to screwup, badly.*

Name one other HF rig, any price point, which does ducking while in 
QSK. If you can your probably just used to their lousy implementation of 
QSK.

How about if we have the Elecraft rigs turn the coffee pot on while 
we're showering in the morning?
It's just an extra relay and a small change in the firmware.
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Re: [Elecraft] VFO CTS changing

2009-01-21 Thread Ed K1EP
At 1/21/2009 07:49 AM, Bob Cunnings wrote:
I have found that a change to VFO CTS does not take effect until power
is cycled - try that.

Hmm, okay, that works.  Seems like a bug to me then.   Thanks!


Bob NW8L

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Ed K1EP k1ep.l...@gmail.com wrote:
  I am not sure that VFO CTS is working properly in 2.78.  One complete
  revolution of the VFO knob changes the frequency 2KHz in CW mode for
  me.  This appears to be the VFO CTS value of 200.  However, I see no
  difference if I have the value at 100, 200, or 400.  Am I missing
  something here?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!

2009-01-21 Thread Darwin, Keith
You know Ron, it is actually ironic.  I too have been reducing AF gain
on my rigs for years but I find I do it more now than I used to and I
think I know why.

A few years ago I all but abandoned the keyer in favor of the straight
key and bug.  I'm back to manually generating CW and this manual
generation of CW requires more of my brain.  I need to hear my sidetone
more than I used to.  I need to clearly hear so I know when to end a dot
or how long the dashes are supposed to be or when to do the next dot or
dash.  Some day when I'm no longer a beginner on the bug, I may not be
so dependent on the sidetone, but for now I need to hear it clearly
above the RX output or I'll mess up my sending.

So ironically my desire for automation in the form of ducking is driven
by my return to manual CW. 

- Keith N1AS -
- SKCC 344c -

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!


So I guess it's a good idea whose time has come, just like people on the
board don't need to play with the gain control any longer. 

But I wonder just how automatic our world is becoming? 

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 comprehensive list of toroids to wind?

2009-01-21 Thread Fred Keller
Mychael is still providing toroids.  I just received a set from him
yesterday (about a 5 days from order to receipt).

Fred, KC9QQ

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Tom,

 Mychael was well and still winding toroids as of my last order about a
 month ago.  An email to toroid...@earthlink.net will order your toroids,
 or you can send the order form, or just send PayPal funds to him and
 your toroids will arrive by USPS Priority Mail in short order.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Tom McCulloch wrote:
  Is the toroid guy still in business?  I see him listed on the site but
 hear
  much about him anymore.
 
  Tom
  WB2QDG
  k2 1103
  - Original Message -
  From: W7BRS k3u...@w7brs.com
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 comprehensive list of toroids to wind?
 
 
 
  There's a photo of them all on the Elecraft website:
  http://www.elecraft.com/K2_toroids.htm . Don't think there is one for
 the
  add-ins, though.
 
  Nice.  When I saw this, it reminded me of the time when I was big into
  tying dry flies.   Little size 16 or 18...  As I sewed my toroids, I
  wondered what kind of hackle I could palmer around the body of these
  buggers.  Of course they would be droppers (for nymphing) with their
  ferrite bodies..   Hmm..
 
  Hobbies collide.
 
  -jeff
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Glitches in K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread AD6XY



Jack Smith-6 wrote:
 
 As I understand it, the K3 switches to a different input bandpass filter 
 at 10.000 MHz which I believe is the source of the artifact. You will 
 get a cleaner response with K3 Filter if the test signal is not at 10 MHz.
 

I don't know about this but I find my K3 switches the filter and band at
9MHz. I tried using 9MHz just now to verify this. The mode changed as I
moved from 9MHz to just above. I don't understand why but the mode changed
from USB just below 9MHz to TX data just above it. Odd. This does not happen
when you spin the dial so perhaps a bug in Mikes program.

I also found another bug. The AGC was turned off and I was supposed to set
the centre frequency. The audio was so loud that it was distorted badly and
the volume would not decrease with the pot, even the radio power off switch
failed to work. I had to cut the signal to regain control.

I have noticed that the K3 audio into the loudspeaker does distort very
badly indeed but stopping the important controls working was a surprise.
Power off should do just that, always, no delay no debate. 

Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!

2009-01-21 Thread Darwin, Keith

 It seems to me with all the feature requests people are looking
 for a custom radio and wanting the rig to do everything for them. 
 ... If you don't want to hear the band between characters why are
 you working QSK? Why request a feature that could cause serious
 problems down the road.

So, Kevin, I take it your against the idea? :-)


 Name one other HF rig, any price point, which does ducking while in
QSK. 

I think there are none, which would give Elecraft a differentiator in
the market.  Adjustable Soft QSK, only from Elecraft!


 How about if we have the Elecraft rigs turn the coffee pot on
 while we're showering in the morning?

Or we could have them digitally record our voices, scan the band for us,
switch from RX to TX between code elements, decode received and
transmitted CW, auto tune our antennas or even auto zero-beat a CW
signal.


- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -

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Re: [Elecraft] Glitches in K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread Jack Smith
I went back and looked at the response data I took in August using my 
version of the self-test bandwidth program and see the same artifacts.

I work very little SSB and did not pay as much attention to the SSB 
filter plot as I should have - with the narrower filters for data and 
CW,  the artifact seems either invisible or greatly attenuated.

It's not related to input filter switching. Sorry about any confusion.

Jack K8ZOA


AD6XY wrote:

 Jack Smith-6 wrote:
   
 As I understand it, the K3 switches to a different input bandpass filter 
 at 10.000 MHz which I believe is the source of the artifact. You will 
 get a cleaner response with K3 Filter if the test signal is not at 10 MHz.

 

 I don't know about this but I find my K3 switches the filter and band at
 9MHz. I tried using 9MHz just now to verify this. The mode changed as I
 moved from 9MHz to just above. I don't understand why but the mode changed
 from USB just below 9MHz to TX data just above it. Odd. This does not happen
 when you spin the dial so perhaps a bug in Mikes program.

 I also found another bug. The AGC was turned off and I was supposed to set
 the centre frequency. The audio was so loud that it was distorted badly and
 the volume would not decrease with the pot, even the radio power off switch
 failed to work. I had to cut the signal to regain control.

 I have noticed that the K3 audio into the loudspeaker does distort very
 badly indeed but stopping the important controls working was a surprise.
 Power off should do just that, always, no delay no debate. 

 Mike
   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!

2009-01-21 Thread Darwin, Keith

-Original Message-
Isn't this just  a matter of setting the monitor sidetone as loud as the
AF audio from the signals you are listening to?  The MON control is on
the front panel, just for that reason.

73, Guy.

--

I have MON set to match the AF RX level.  That way, when I hit the spot
button I hear the sidetone and RX signal at the same levels and can
easily tune the signal in.  MON = RX level works great during receive.

During transmit, I want MON to be louder than the RX AF level.  Either
MON has to come up or AF has to go down.  Turning MON up for TX and back
down for RX would be more of a pain that just spinning the AF knob.  If
I do set MON to be louder than the RX AF level, then the sidetone
monitor is too loud for comfort.

The bottom line is that I want two different mixes of MON plus AF level,
one for RX and one for TX.

Good question - Thanks!

73

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- K3 711 -
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!

2009-01-21 Thread Guy Olinger, K2AV
I have to vote with Brian for contest operation.

I have a couple threads going on this off the reflector.

One thing that may be causing some of the problem re hearing the MON on CW, 
is that MON does not go up and down with the AF volumn control.  I believe 
some of the hearability issues may vanish if the MON setting established a 
*RATIO* with the AF control, rather than a constant level into the speaker. 
This would make the ratio of MON to RX audio independent of the RX gain 
control of the moment.

As it is MON will likely be set below a quiet room irritation level (it 
does not combine with the received audio when set) which will be a lower 
level than probably needed because it is heard by itself.  Then when 
time-blended with QSK receive it seems weaker.

Should point out to K3 users that (at least with 2.78) if you enable MON and 
then hit the key, the MON control will be operative while transmitting and 
one can set the level to match the audio, at least as long as you leave the 
AF at the same setting.

73, Guy.

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Alsop als...@nc.rr.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!


I believe that most people using QSK are trying to simulate full duplex.

 I  think the step function up and down RX signal level proposed here
 would sound awful when being keyed.
 The brain has enough to do without having to accommodate this level
 change too.  Manually turning down the volume is not a good simulation
 of this step function change..

 If  this is done,  it needs to be run by some testers to see just how
 bad the level change sounds at various speeds.
 I doubt anybody would like it.

 This change would be absolutely useless to me since the main use for QSK
 is in breaking pileups for the weak ones.
 It would render the weak ones unreadable.

 If one wants to fool around with AF gain compensation,  I'd like to
 propose bumping up the AF gain 3db when the subrx is selected and the
 main/sub rx antenna is shared.   That is a real pain.

 73 de Brian/K3KO

 Kevin wrote:

Don Wilhelm wrote:


Ron,

I too am a firm believer in the KISS principle.
Too much automation drives me crazy trying to remember what the
automation is trying to do for me.  Oft times the automation does not do
what I want to be done.  manual controls forever.

This is not a vote against automation and ease of use, but there are
times when it is more effective to bypass the automatic controls, engage
the brain, and get what one wants accomplished.  Automation cannot
substitute for individual preferences - that takes 'brain power' - so 
THINK!

73,
Don W3FPR



It seems to me with all the feature requests people are looking for a
custom radio and wanting the rig to do everything for them. The QSK on
the Elecraft rigs is very good the way it is. If you don't want to hear
the band between characters why are you working QSK? Why request a
feature that could cause serious problems down the road. I guarantee
as soon as this change makes it out into firmware the list will be
bombarded with posts like Help, my QSK doesn't work anymore, or I
want to be able to set the level of ducking manually, .25dB steps
would be fine thank you, etc, etc, etc *The more complicated
something is to operate the easier it is to screwup, badly.*

Name one other HF rig, any price point, which does ducking while in
QSK. If you can your probably just used to their lousy implementation of
QSK.

How about if we have the Elecraft rigs turn the coffee pot on while
we're showering in the morning?
It's just an extra relay and a small change in the firmware.
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[Elecraft] New K3

2009-01-21 Thread Mike, W9QS
I have a new K3/10 Serial Number 2547 and I love it.  First contacts were 
during the Fox hunt last night.  I only have one problem.  I ordered the Heil 
proset and for some reason I can't get the SSB VOX to function.  I must be 
missing something.  Any ideas?

73,72

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!

2009-01-21 Thread Bob Cunnings
I've always advocated having sidetone and SPOT levels be independently
adjustable - I sidestep the issue by using CWT rather than SPOT to
zero beat a received signal (either auto or manual mode). I then keep
MON set for my preferred sidetone level (relatively high, I also use a
bug).

Bob NW8L

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Darwin, Keith
keith.dar...@goodrich.com wrote:

 During transmit, I want MON to be louder than the RX AF level.  Either
 MON has to come up or AF has to go down.  Turning MON up for TX and back
 down for RX would be more of a pain that just spinning the AF knob.  If
 I do set MON to be louder than the RX AF level, then the sidetone
 monitor is too loud for comfort.

 The bottom line is that I want two different mixes of MON plus AF level,
 one for RX and one for TX.

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3

2009-01-21 Thread Bob Cunnings
What VOX gain settings have you tried?

Bob NW8L

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Mike, W9QS w...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I have a new K3/10 Serial Number 2547 and I love it.  First contacts were 
 during the Fox hunt last night.  I only have one problem.  I ordered the Heil 
 proset and for some reason I can't get the SSB VOX to function.  I must be 
 missing something.  Any ideas?

 73,72

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!

2009-01-21 Thread Brian Alsop
I think the crux of this problem is one of learning to use QSK.
  
That means being able to send without being disturbed by the other 
noises and distractions.   Practice is the solution.  It might take a 
couple days or a couple months.  The reward is worth the effort.   This 
remark isn't meant to dis anybody.  

What blows my mind is the organist who leads the choir, turns pages, 
plays the organ,  uses foot peddles and sings, seemingly all 
simultaneously.  Clearly he/she wasn't born with such a skill..
 
Now if we could just figure out how to do QSK RTTY.   Easy if you have 
the subrx many miles away..

73 de Brian/K3KO

Guy Olinger, K2AV wrote:

 I have to vote with Brian for contest operation.

 I have a couple threads going on this off the reflector.

 One thing that may be causing some of the problem re hearing the MON 
 on CW, is that MON does not go up and down with the AF volumn 
 control.  I believe some of the hearability issues may vanish if the 
 MON setting established a *RATIO* with the AF control, rather than a 
 constant level into the speaker. This would make the ratio of MON to 
 RX audio independent of the RX gain control of the moment.

 As it is MON will likely be set below a quiet room irritation 
 level (it does not combine with the received audio when set) which 
 will be a lower level than probably needed because it is heard by 
 itself.  Then when time-blended with QSK receive it seems weaker.

 Should point out to K3 users that (at least with 2.78) if you enable 
 MON and then hit the key, the MON control will be operative while 
 transmitting and one can set the level to match the audio, at least as 
 long as you leave the AF at the same setting.

 73, Guy.

 - Original Message - From: Brian Alsop als...@nc.rr.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!


 I believe that most people using QSK are trying to simulate full duplex.

 I  think the step function up and down RX signal level proposed here
 would sound awful when being keyed.
 The brain has enough to do without having to accommodate this level
 change too.  Manually turning down the volume is not a good simulation
 of this step function change..

 If  this is done,  it needs to be run by some testers to see just how
 bad the level change sounds at various speeds.
 I doubt anybody would like it.

 This change would be absolutely useless to me since the main use for QSK
 is in breaking pileups for the weak ones.
 It would render the weak ones unreadable.

 If one wants to fool around with AF gain compensation,  I'd like to
 propose bumping up the AF gain 3db when the subrx is selected and the
 main/sub rx antenna is shared.   That is a real pain.

 73 de Brian/K3KO

 Kevin wrote:

 Don Wilhelm wrote:


 Ron,

 I too am a firm believer in the KISS principle.
 Too much automation drives me crazy trying to remember what the
 automation is trying to do for me.  Oft times the automation does 
 not do
 what I want to be done.  manual controls forever.

 This is not a vote against automation and ease of use, but there are
 times when it is more effective to bypass the automatic controls, 
 engage
 the brain, and get what one wants accomplished.  Automation cannot
 substitute for individual preferences - that takes 'brain power' - 
 so THINK!

 73,
 Don W3FPR



 It seems to me with all the feature requests people are looking for a
 custom radio and wanting the rig to do everything for them. The QSK on
 the Elecraft rigs is very good the way it is. If you don't want to hear
 the band between characters why are you working QSK? Why request a
 feature that could cause serious problems down the road. I guarantee
 as soon as this change makes it out into firmware the list will be
 bombarded with posts like Help, my QSK doesn't work anymore, or I
 want to be able to set the level of ducking manually, .25dB steps
 would be fine thank you, etc, etc, etc *The more complicated
 something is to operate the easier it is to screwup, badly.*

 Name one other HF rig, any price point, which does ducking while in
 QSK. If you can your probably just used to their lousy 
 implementation of
 QSK.

 How about if we have the Elecraft rigs turn the coffee pot on while
 we're showering in the morning?
 It's just an extra relay and a small change in the firmware.
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3

2009-01-21 Thread Don - K2PMC


Mike, W9QS wrote:
 
  I only have one problem.  I ordered the Heil proset and for some reason I
 can't get the SSB VOX to function.  I must be missing something.  Any
 ideas?
 
 73,72
 
 Mike, W9QS
 

Mike,

I have the same headset and it works great.  You're probably using the Front
Panel connection, so check your Main Menu  Mic Sel setting and make sure
it is set to Front Panel.  I have my VOX Gain set at 30.

73,
Don
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Re: [Elecraft] Glitches in K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

The glitch shown in the USB plots here are the response 
on the other side of zero beat.  It will be visible if the 
DSP bandwidth is set to 0 - 4000 Hz because the IF filter 
will be placed with the corner at the carrier frequency 
and there will be response on the other side of the carrier 
on the filter skirt.  

The notch effect is due to audio response in the DSP as 
the audio frequency gets close to DC. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jack Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:15 AM
 To: AD6XY; 'Elecraft'
 Subject: [Elecraft] Glitches in K3 Filter response
 
 
 As I understand it, the K3 switches to a different input 
 bandpass filter 
 at 10.000 MHz which I believe is the source of the artifact. You will 
 get a cleaner response with K3 Filter if the test signal is 
 not at 10 MHz.
 
 That's unfortunate, as it's easy to find a clean strong 10 
 MHz reference 
 from test gear.
 
 Perhaps Mike should add a reminder in the help file, when he 
 completes 
 the higher priority items.
 
 Jack K8ZOA
 
 
 AD6XY wrote:
  And why not use it.
 
  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/27k1.jpg 27k1.jpg
  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/2k72.jpg 2k72.jpg 
 
  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/400H1.jpg 400H1.jpg
  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2191129/400H2.jpg 400H2.jpg 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] VFO CTS changing

2009-01-21 Thread Tom, N5GE
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:01:18 -0500, you wrote:

At 1/21/2009 07:49 AM, Bob Cunnings wrote:
I have found that a change to VFO CTS does not take effect until power
is cycled - try that.

Hmm, okay, that works.  Seems like a bug to me then.   Thanks!


Bob NW8L
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Me too!

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[Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread W2XB

Hello Group,
Just setting up HRD. All is working fine. Can HRD copy cw ?

Don...w2xb
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Re: [Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread Kevin
Don,

HRD/DM780 can copy CW.


W2XB wrote:
 Hello Group,
 Just setting up HRD. All is working fine. Can HRD copy cw ?

 Don...w2xb
   

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Re: [Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread W2XB

Great! What is the setup for copy cw. I must be overlooking it

Don...



R. Kevin Stover wrote:
 
 Don,
 
 HRD/DM780 can copy CW.
 
 
 W2XB wrote:
 Hello Group,
 Just setting up HRD. All is working fine. Can HRD copy cw ?

 Don...w2xb
   
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 comprehensive list of toroids to wind?

2009-01-21 Thread John Shadle
Actually, I'm not looking for someone to wind them. A kind member of
this list (and member of my local radio club), Steve KZ1X, has offered
the use of his solder pot to tin the leads after I get them wound. I
just wanted to get them all wound and then take them, labeled, to his
place to get all the work done at the same time rather than burden his
time with repeated trips.

Thanks to Gary KI4GGX (of Rework Eliminators fame) who has provided me
with a nice Excel workbook with a list. I also printed out the
appropriate manual pages with detailed instructions about the toroids
to be wound so I don't make any mistakes along the way.

Thanks to all.
-john W4PAH
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Re: [Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread Mark, KJ7BS
HRD does not decode Morse code.  However, its sister product DM780 (Digital 
Master 780) does decode Morse code.  HRD is bundled with DM780 so you get it 
with the download.

When you select the CW mode, the CW tones are decoded in the receive window.  
There are some controls at the top of the receive window to help DM780 better 
decode Morse code.

I've run a side by side test of DM780 and CWGet and I have to tell you, CWGet 
does a much better job of decoding Morse code.  I find DM780 best decodes 
machine generated code and forget about a straight key, but it does better with 
bug and keyer generated Morse code.  The closer you get to perfectly sent Morse 
code the better DM780 does in decoding it.  CWGet does a much better job 
decoding Morse code, even from a straight key and it has a better tuning 
indicator, too.

The software to properly decode CW cannot be trivial.  Don't get me wrong, I 
think HRD/DM780 is the best one stop solution for logging, rig control, 
digital work on the market today, and the price is right, FREE, but the Morse 
code decoding needs some work.

 Simon has a real love for amateur radio to put so much time into a great 
product.
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Hello Group,
Just setting up HRD. All is working fine. Can HRD copy cw ?

Don...w2xb
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!

2009-01-21 Thread Vic K2VCO
Kevin wrote:

 It seems to me with all the feature requests people are looking for a 
 custom radio and wanting the rig to do everything for them. The QSK on 
 the Elecraft rigs is very good the way it is. If you don't want to hear 
 the band between characters why are you working QSK? 

1) The QSK *is* very good, but it is not perfect. There is some clicking 
when the band is noisy or crowded, and it's most likely caused by 
relatively complicated timing issues. A slight reduction in audio gain 
while transmitting -- which I now perform by turning the knob -- 
eliminates this. In non-casual operation -- contests, pileups, etc., it 
would be very convenient to have this take place automatically. It would 
go a long way in reducing operator fatigue in contests.

2) Some operators would like to use QSK but are distracted by background 
noise, even if the QSK is perfect. This feature would provide another 
option -- someone called it 'soft QSK' -- between full and semi QSK. It 
  would be smoother than full QSK but still allow the operator to be 
aware of what's going on in the background and be interrupted if necessary.

In order to accommodate these different preferences, the amount of gain 
reduction would have to be adjustable (but not in steps of 0.25 dB!).

I think this is an excellent suggestion, and if -- as I think -- it 
wouldn't be very hard to implement, it would provide a lot of bang for 
the buck (that is, Wayne's time).
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Re: [Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread Fred Keller
Don,

Yes, I have used HRD to copy CW.  Of course it is like all CW copying
software: the quality of the copy is dependent on the noise level and
quality of the CW being sent.

Fred, KC9QQ

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:05 AM, W2XB haircut...@verizon.net wrote:


 Hello Group,
 Just setting up HRD. All is working fine. Can HRD copy cw ?

 Don...w2xb
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Re: [Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread KC9QQ



Great! What is the setup for copy cw. I must be overlooking it

Don...


In HRD click the DM780 button.  After DM780 starts there will be a pull down
above the water fall display which has CW as one of the options.  Select the
CW option and then click on one of the signals in the waterfall display to
start receiving CW.

Fred, KC9QQ

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[Elecraft] K2 Diffuser installation change

2009-01-21 Thread djmd

I noticed when looking at the newest K2 errata that they have made a change
to the diffuser installation... rather than putting the mounts through the
spacers, they tell you to just put them under the display and remove them
after soldering. I just did mine the old way a couple weeks ago... not
that I am going to go and try to remove it :) but I'm just curious why the
change was made. Anyone know?
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[Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

2009-01-21 Thread K9ZTV

As a adjunct to the recent posts on using the Spot and CWT features . . .

There is a third capability that many long-time CW operators intuitively 
possess.  It is the immediate recognition of the correspondence of an 
incoming signal's pitch to that of the operator's longtime /preferred 
/sidetone pitch.


Just as well known voices of loved ones and friends are instantly 
recognizable when their faces can't be seen, so also one's preferred 
sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being 
tuned in and hits that pitch.  This feature of the human brain 
requires no button pushes other than the initial setting of the sidetone 
pitch frequency.  Once this is set, neither the SPOT nor CWT buttons 
need be used (on any rig).  This cerebral feature is always there, 
regardless of the brand or model of rig being operated.


Several of us used this capability on Straight Key Night when operating 
a friend's FT-2000 with it's myriad of buttons, switches, and 
multi-layered controls.  Once we set the sidetone pitch to our 
individually preferred frequencies, zero-beating was intuitive.


However, hearing impairment is a whole different issue and may well 
require the CWT visual aid.



73,

Kent  K9ZTV

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Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

2009-01-21 Thread K4GM-George
I agree with everything you say and have used this method for years.  
Now if only I could decode RTTY by listening!! grin

73, George K4GM

K9ZTV wrote:

As a adjunct to the recent posts on using the Spot and CWT features . . .

There is a third capability that many long-time CW operators 
intuitively possess.  It is the immediate recognition of the 
correspondence of an incoming signal's pitch to that of the operator's 
longtime /preferred /sidetone pitch.


Just as well known voices of loved ones and friends are instantly 
recognizable when their faces can't be seen, so also one's preferred 
sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is 
being tuned in and hits that pitch.  This feature of the human brain 
requires no button pushes other than the initial setting of the 
sidetone pitch frequency.  Once this is set, neither the SPOT nor CWT 
buttons need be used (on any rig).  This cerebral feature is always 
there, regardless of the brand or model of rig being operated.


Several of us used this capability on Straight Key Night when 
operating a friend's FT-2000 with it's myriad of buttons, switches, 
and multi-layered controls.  Once we set the sidetone pitch to our 
individually preferred frequencies, zero-beating was intuitive.


However, hearing impairment is a whole different issue and may well 
require the CWT visual aid.



73,

Kent  K9ZTV



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Diffuser installation change

2009-01-21 Thread djmd

I think I got the answer... originally I had spelled 'diffuser' wrong when I
tried to search... hihi.

Seems as if some of the diffusers simply have shorter leads 


djmd wrote:
 
 I noticed when looking at the newest K2 errata that they have made a
 change to the diffuser installation... rather than putting the mounts
 through the spacers, they tell you to just put them under the display
 and remove them after soldering. I just did mine the old way a couple
 weeks ago... not that I am going to go and try to remove it :) but I'm
 just curious why the change was made. Anyone know?
 

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Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

2009-01-21 Thread Darwin, Keith
Really?  I always try to tune CW by ear and I'm amazed at just how far
off I am once I check it against the spot tone.  I never get it right
without some help.
 
I suspect I'm not alone.
 
- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -



one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a
signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch.   
 
73,

Kent  K9ZTV

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Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

2009-01-21 Thread Don Wilhelm
Kieth,

 From the number of 'off zero-beat QSOs I hear on the air, I know you 
are not alone.
Some folks do have very good pitch recognition, but others (like me) 
have a certified 'tin ear'.
Unfortunately, those with good pitch recognition have no concept of what 
it is like for folks like me.  I have relied on Spectrogram to help me 
with the pitch for a long time.

73,
Don W3FPR

Darwin, Keith wrote:
 Really?  I always try to tune CW by ear and I'm amazed at just how far 
 off I am once I check it against the spot tone.  I never get it right 
 without some help.
  
 I suspect I'm not alone.
  
 - Keith N1AS -
 - K3 711 -

 
 one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when 
 a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch.   
  
 73,

 Kent  K9ZTV


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[Elecraft] Fw: New K3

2009-01-21 Thread Mike, W9QS
Thanks for all the great hints.  The problem was I didn't turn on the bias.



73,72

Mike, W9QS
EX: KN6TBP (1956), K1DGQ, DL4KM, K5LJN, W9FRR, W9KVF

K2, OHR500, Norcal 20, SP1

Fists #12327, FP #268, OOTC #4423, QRPARCI #9521


--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Mike, W9QS w...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Mike, W9QS w...@yahoo.com
 Subject: New K3
 To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 8:29 AM
 I have a new K3/10 Serial Number 2547 and I love it.  First
 contacts were during the Fox hunt last night.  I only have
 one problem.  I ordered the Heil proset and for some reason
 I can't get the SSB VOX to function.  I must be missing
 something.  Any ideas?
 
 73,72
 
 Mike, W9QS
 EX: KN6TBP (1956), K1DGQ, DL4KM, K5LJN, W9FRR, W9KVF
 
 K2, OHR500, Norcal 20, SP1
 
 Fists #12327, FP #268, OOTC #4423, QRPARCI #9521


  
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Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

2009-01-21 Thread Bill Johnson
If,

A person with great pitch knows someone who cannot sing in tune, that should
help define the issue.  Kent, do you know of a person like that?  I have
excellent pitch but my wife and daughter are not so good.


73,

Bill
K9YEQ
K2 #35; KX1 #35; K3 #1744; mini mods

-Original Message-

Kieth,

 From the number of 'off zero-beat QSOs I hear on the air, I know you 
are not alone.

73,
Don W3FPR

Darwin, Keith wrote:
 Really?  I always try to tune CW by ear and I'm amazed at just how far 
 off I am once I check it against the spot tone.  I never get it right 
 without some help.
  
 I suspect I'm not alone.

 
 one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when 
 a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch.   
  
 73,

 Kent  K9ZTV
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Re: [Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread Simon (HB9DRV)
- Original Message - 
From: Mark, KJ7BS kj...@cox.net

 ...but the Morse code decoding needs some work.

I agree - I would love to have a month later this year to work on CW 
decoding. I have no doubts that a computer can decode better than a human, 
just needs someone (!) to write the decoder.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com 

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Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

2009-01-21 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
A  fun game I play is to tune in a station then check my accuracy with
SPOT while he's sending.  I'm a bit miffed if I can hear more than a 5 or 10
Hz error, Hi! 

 

But some people have real trouble doing that. It reminds me that some others
have a serious problem finding zero beat even using SPOT.

 

Ron AC7AC

 

 

 

From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K4GM-George
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:12 AM
To: K9ZTV
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

 

I agree with everything you say and have used this method for years.  Now if
only I could decode RTTY by listening!! grin
73, George K4GM

K9ZTV wrote: 

As a adjunct to the recent posts on using the Spot and CWT features . . .

There is a third capability that many long-time CW operators intuitively
possess.  It is the immediate recognition of the correspondence of an
incoming signal's pitch to that of the operator's longtime preferred
sidetone pitch.

Just as well known voices of loved ones and friends are instantly
recognizable when their faces can't be seen, so also one's preferred
sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being
tuned in and hits that pitch.  This feature of the human brain requires no
button pushes other than the initial setting of the sidetone pitch
frequency.  Once this is set, neither the SPOT nor CWT buttons need be used
(on any rig).  This cerebral feature is always there, regardless of the
brand or model of rig being operated.

Several of us used this capability on Straight Key Night when operating a
friend's FT-2000 with it's myriad of buttons, switches, and multi-layered
controls.  Once we set the sidetone pitch to our individually preferred
frequencies, zero-beating was intuitive.

However, hearing impairment is a whole different issue and may well require
the CWT visual aid.


73,

Kent  K9ZTV




 



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Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

2009-01-21 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Zero Beat was never a problem when we all had 6 KC wide IFs and crystal 
control.  We just couldn't do it.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ


--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote:

 From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 11:27 AM
 A  fun game I play is to tune in a station then
 check my accuracy with
 SPOT while he's sending.  I'm a bit miffed if I can
 hear more than a 5 or 10
 Hz error, Hi! 
 
  
 
 But some people have real trouble doing that. It reminds me
 that some others
 have a serious problem finding zero beat even using SPOT.
 
  
 
 Ron AC7AC
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
 K4GM-George
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:12 AM
 To: K9ZTV
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON
 PUSHES
 
  
 
 I agree with everything you say and have used this method
 for years.  Now if
 only I could decode RTTY by listening!! grin
 73, George K4GM
 
 K9ZTV wrote: 
 
 As a adjunct to the recent posts on using the Spot and CWT
 features . . .
 
 There is a third capability that many long-time CW
 operators intuitively
 possess.  It is the immediate recognition of the
 correspondence of an
 incoming signal's pitch to that of the operator's
 longtime preferred
 sidetone pitch.
 
 Just as well known voices of loved ones and friends are
 instantly
 recognizable when their faces can't be seen, so also
 one's preferred
 sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a
 signal is being
 tuned in and hits that pitch.  This feature of
 the human brain requires no
 button pushes other than the initial setting of the
 sidetone pitch
 frequency.  Once this is set, neither the SPOT nor CWT
 buttons need be used
 (on any rig).  This cerebral feature is always
 there, regardless of the
 brand or model of rig being operated.
 
 Several of us used this capability on Straight Key Night
 when operating a
 friend's FT-2000 with it's myriad of buttons,
 switches, and multi-layered
 controls.  Once we set the sidetone pitch to our
 individually preferred
 frequencies, zero-beating was intuitive.
 
 However, hearing impairment is a whole different issue and
 may well require
 the CWT visual aid.
 
 
 73,
 
 Kent  K9ZTV
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] NORM1/NORM2

2009-01-21 Thread Randy Moore
I've been trying to learn to setup and use NORM1 and NORM2 as described 
in Rev. D, page 24 of the User's Manual, and I can't get it to work.  
The description says to rotate the knob slightly left or right.  I'm 
assuming the knob is the SHIFT/LO/NORM knob.  I can't tell that this 
does anything, and if I dally too long turning the knob, it changes my 
SHIFT.  But if that is working, then I can't recall NORM1 or NORM2 
afterward, and again if I take much time rotating the knob, I change my 
SHIFT again.  Am I just not fast enough, or am I rotating the wrong 
knob?  I'm using the latest beta firmward (2.78/1.98). 

73,
Randy, KS4L
K3 #2006
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Re: [Elecraft] NORM1/NORM2

2009-01-21 Thread Ed Muns

 
 I've been trying to learn to setup and use NORM1 and NORM2 as 
 described in Rev. D, page 24 of the User's Manual, and I 
 can't get it to work.  
 The description says to rotate the knob slightly left or 
 right.  I'm assuming the knob is the SHIFT/LO/NORM knob.  
 I can't tell that this does anything, and if I dally too long 
 turning the knob, it changes my SHIFT.  But if that is 
 working, then I can't recall NORM1 or NORM2 afterward, and 
 again if I take much time rotating the knob, I change my 
 SHIFT again.  Am I just not fast enough, or am I rotating the 
 wrong knob?  I'm using the latest beta firmward (2.78/1.98). 

Are you pushing and holding the knob in before you rotate it slightly?

Ed - W0YK

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!

2009-01-21 Thread hank k8dd

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Alsop als...@nc.rr.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request - I want Ducking!


I think the crux of this problem is one of learning to use QSK.

True, Brian . For some QSK is an acquired operating taste.

So can we get an option 
  CONFIG:DUCKINGON/OFF

But then we'll want a special 'beep' sound  an option, of course
  CONFIG:QUACKON/OFF

73 Hank K8DD


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Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

2009-01-21 Thread Tom Hammond

Keith:

The trick I've used for decades is to set the sidetone just a bit louder than
those signals I'm listening to.  Then, when I zero the received signal, I tune
it in to the point that it (audibly) disappears beneath the sidetone of the
same frequency... if it's NOT zero beat, you'll be able to hear the offset. If
it is zero beat, it'll be hiding behind the sidetone.

I (think I) can provide a short WAV file to demonstrate if you have difficulty
following the above verbal description.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

At 12:32 01/21/2009, Darwin, Keith wrote:

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Really?  I always try to tune CW by ear and I'm amazed at just how 
far off I am once I check it against the spot tone.  I never get it 
right without some help.


I suspect I'm not alone.

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -


--
one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable 
when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch.


73,

Kent  K9ZTV

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[Elecraft] 6 meter audio problem

2009-01-21 Thread Mike k7MXB

Hi All,

I have K3 with the 100 watt amp and the ATU.  When operating on 6 meters, I
am experiencing a, growling sound in the audio in SSB mode plus what
sounds like feed back when the MH2 mic is keyed.  The audio on all other
bands, including 10 meters, is fine.  I have the mic gain set at 8 and the
compression at 21.  Any thoughts?

Thanks,

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Re: [Elecraft] NORM1/NORM2

2009-01-21 Thread Randy Moore
AH!  No, I was releasing the knob after seeing SAV or NOR appear.  
Now it works fine!  For folks like me, this could be clearer in the manual!

Thanks, Ed!

73,

Randy

Ed Muns wrote:
  
   
 I've been trying to learn to setup and use NORM1 and NORM2 as 
 described in Rev. D, page 24 of the User's Manual, and I 
 can't get it to work.  
 The description says to rotate the knob slightly left or 
 right.  I'm assuming the knob is the SHIFT/LO/NORM knob.  
 I can't tell that this does anything, and if I dally too long 
 turning the knob, it changes my SHIFT.  But if that is 
 working, then I can't recall NORM1 or NORM2 afterward, and 
 again if I take much time rotating the knob, I change my 
 SHIFT again.  Am I just not fast enough, or am I rotating the 
 wrong knob?  I'm using the latest beta firmward (2.78/1.98). 
 

 Are you pushing and holding the knob in before you rotate it slightly?

 Ed - W0YK


   
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meter audio problem

2009-01-21 Thread w8zn
Does it do it when the rig is connected to a dummy load? Sounds like good old 
RF getting into something. If it's clean on a dummy load, then it's probably is 
RF getting into something. I assume the rig and power supply are properly 
grounded? What kind of SWR do you have on the antenna? 

Terry

 -- Original message --
From: Mike k7MXB 1poppasm...@gmail.com
 
 Hi All,
 
 I have K3 with the 100 watt amp and the ATU.  When operating on 6 meters, I
 am experiencing a, growling sound in the audio in SSB mode plus what
 sounds like feed back when the MH2 mic is keyed.  The audio on all other
 bands, including 10 meters, is fine.  I have the mic gain set at 8 and the
 compression at 21.  Any thoughts?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Mike
 K7MXB
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[Elecraft] K-2 Part II test and alignment problem

2009-01-21 Thread Larry Wright
Hi All,

I am at the Alignment and Test Part II.

Minor problems with direct freq entry were resolved by resoldering connections, 
but having difficulty described below.

PLL Reference Osc Range Test yields 12.099 - 12.086 = 13 Khz range.  But  the 
VCO Test yields 5.535 Mhz instead of the expected 10 to 12 Mhz reading.

The K-2 receives every 5 Khz .   The problem seems to me to involve the 12 Bit 
DAC (U5).  Have resoldered the pins to it.Pin 8 is 5v, but pin  7 stays at 
3.4v at all times.  Pin 1 on U6 stays at 7.6v.   (the 8v Regulator output is 
7.6v)  The 7.6v output is present to the PLL ref. osc circuit.  Turning the 
dial has no effect on the output of the DAC.  The PLL Reference osc stays at 
12.099 Mhz.

BFO appears to be working fine.  Sensitivity appears good as I can easily hear 
a 1 uv signal.

I have thought of putting say, a 5 K resistor across the output of pin 1  (or 
from the 2.7K R19 to ground) on U6 to change the 7.6v to something lower to see 
if that changes anything, but not  have not tried that yet.  I'm trying to 
think of a way to test the 12 Bit DAC to see if it is good.

Any suggestions or help will be greatly appreciated.

Larry
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Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

2009-01-21 Thread Darwin, Keith
Tom ( all)
 
Yes, it makes sense.  Next time I'm on the air, I'm going to play with
MON level a bit to see what I get with slight changes to it's volume.
 
- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -



From: Tom Hammond [mailto:n...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:57 PM
To: Darwin, Keith; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Keith:

The trick I've used for decades is to set the sidetone just a bit louder
than
those signals I'm listening to.  Then, when I zero the received signal,
I tune
it in to the point that it (audibly) disappears beneath the sidetone
of the 
same frequency... if it's NOT zero beat, you'll be able to hear the
offset. If
it is zero beat, it'll be hiding behind the sidetone.

I (think I) can provide a short WAV file to demonstrate if you have
difficulty
following the above verbal description.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

At 12:32 01/21/2009, Darwin, Keith wrote:


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Really?  I always try to tune CW by ear and I'm amazed at just
how far off I am once I check it against the spot tone.  I never get it
right without some help.
 
I suspect I'm not alone.
 
- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -




one's preferred sidetone pitch is likewise instantly
recognizable when a signal is being tuned in and hits that pitch.  
 
73,

Kent  K9ZTV

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[Elecraft] K3 audio problem

2009-01-21 Thread k7ca
Hello,
  Last night I was transmitting on 160m and using stereo headphones listening 
with diversity RX and heard some unusual clicking coming from the K3 when 
transmitting.  I pulled the diversity RX antenna that was plugged into the 2nd 
RX antenna port with no change.  I pulled the RX antenna that was plugged into 
the main RX ANT IN port on the KXV3 and the clicking stopped.  This told me I 
had too much RF coming in on my beverage antenna when transmitting.  So I put 
the 2nd RX antenna back on but now there was no audio output from the KRX3 sub 
receiver.  I'm using the sub audio knob as the balance control between the main 
and sub receivers.  When the sub receiver is on and the pot is counterclockwise 
I get audio from the main RX in the left ear.  But when clockwise there is no 
output from either side.  I did have stereo speakers plugged into the external 
speaker port in the rear of the K3 and the spkrs were set to 2 when the problem 
started.  Also I haven't done the AF mod yet.  W
 hen I turn off the sub receiver, I get audio out of both sides.  Does anyone 
have an idea of what might have happened?  I did fix the high RF level coming 
from the beverage antenna by putting back to back diodes from the center pin of 
the coax to ground.  Now I can transmit with no clicking coming from the K3.  
However, it would be nice to get the diversity reception back. Al CE1/K7CA
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[Elecraft] AGC Setting for PSK-31

2009-01-21 Thread Frank MacDonell
I have a K3/10 (with a 66' dipole in the attic) and get great
reception on PSK-31.

I have two questions. Should AGC be on or off? Aside from having a
dedicated sound card...is there a Rx or Tx advantage to using an
interface like Rigblaster. Thanks again for all the help you have
provided!
-- 
Frank KD8FIP
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Re: [Elecraft] AGC Setting for PSK-31

2009-01-21 Thread Simon (HB9DRV)
- Original Message - 
From: Frank MacDonell kd8...@gmail.com


I have a K3/10 (with a 66' dipole in the attic) and get great
 reception on PSK-31.

 I have two questions. Should AGC be on or off? Aside from having a
 dedicated sound card...is there a Rx or Tx advantage to using an
 interface like Rigblaster. Thanks again for all the help you have
 provided!

The K3 is an excellent receiver so don't cripple the receive chain with a 
poor soundcard - get a quality soundcard such as the Rigblaster and you'll 
know there's nothing better you can do. Talk to Joe W4TV - he's active in 
these forums and can help as well.

Use AGC however you want. The K3's dynamic range is so good that using your 
66' dipole you'll probably never suffer from strong signal overload, 
especially if you're able to switch in a narrow filter if the going gets 
tough, for example in an RTTY contest when 1KW seems to be the minimum power 
level allowed :-)

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com 

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Re: [Elecraft] AGC Setting for PSK-31

2009-01-21 Thread Simon (HB9DRV)
- Original Message - 
From: Simon (HB9DRV) si...@hb9drv.ch

 The K3 is an excellent receiver so don't cripple the receive chain with a
 poor soundcard - get a quality soundcard such as the Rigblaster and you'll
 know there's nothing better you can do. Talk to Joe W4TV - he's active in
 these forums and can help as well.


BTW - what's your current soundcard?

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com 

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[Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread Sverre Holm
Simon (HB9DRV)  wrote:

 ...but the Morse code decoding needs some work.

 I agree - I would love to have a month later this year to work on CW
 decoding. I have no doubts that a computer can decode better than a human,
 just needs someone (!) to write the decoder.

Oh, ye of great faith!

Just think of what a hard time computers have with tough processing problems 
like recognition of natural language,
i.e. freely spoken speech with a machine  that is not trained by that 
particular speaker. How easy it is for a human, and
how hard it is for a machine even after decades of work by lots of people.


Sverre
LA3ZA

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[Elecraft] K1 smoother tuning

2009-01-21 Thread Neal

Well, maybe smoother tuning is not the best description.

I built my K1 with the 80kHz tuning range option.  With time, I found it was
a little touchy.  Not wishing to go to a narrower tuning range, I sought
another answer.

The solution was a weighted, K2 knob and two felt washers.  Given the
limitations of the K1, it's about as good as it gets.

BTW, it is not at all bad cosmetically.

73, Neal WA6OCP
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Re: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

2009-01-21 Thread W6NEK
I agree Kent,
I've also used that method on all my previous rigs.  My preferred pitch is
700 Hz.
The reason I use the CWT function on the K3 is not so much for the visual cw
pitch indication, but rather for the rapid auto-spot/tune function.  I find
the K3 to be very consistent at quickly centering the CW signal, at my
preferred sidetone pitch, in the selected passband of the receiver.  Once
auto-tuned I can quickly decrease the bandwidth to 100 Hz or 50 Hz and
presto the signal is smack in the center of that very narrow passband.  It's
great for SP with a wide passband (1.2 KHz), auto-spot/tune and a quick
turn of the width control to 50 Hz bandwidth.  The way Elecraft implemented
the CWT function is fast, intuitive and repeatable.  It's one of my favorite
features in CW mode on the K3.

Best 73,
Frank - W6NEK

- Original Message - 
From: K9ZTV
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] CW ZERO-BEATING WITHOUT BUTTON PUSHES

As a adjunct to the recent posts on using the Spot and CWT features . . .

There is a third capability that many long-time CW operators intuitively
possess.  It is the immediate recognition of the correspondence of an
incoming signal's pitch to that of the operator's longtime preferred
sidetone pitch.

Just as well known voices of loved ones and friends are instantly
recognizable when their faces can't be seen, so also one's preferred
sidetone pitch is likewise instantly recognizable when a signal is being
tuned in and hits that pitch.  This feature of the human brain requires no
button pushes other than the initial setting of the sidetone pitch
frequency.  Once this is set, neither the SPOT nor CWT buttons need be used
(on any rig).  This cerebral feature is always there, regardless of the
brand or model of rig being operated.

Several of us used this capability on Straight Key Night when operating a
friend's FT-2000 with it's myriad of buttons, switches, and multi-layered
controls.  Once we set the sidetone pitch to our individually preferred
frequencies, zero-beating was intuitive.

However, hearing impairment is a whole different issue and may well require
the CWT visual aid.

73,
Kent  K9ZTV

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Re: [Elecraft] Glitches in K3 Filter response

2009-01-21 Thread Mike Downs
Mike AD6XY wrote:

 I don't know about this but I find my K3 switches the filter and band at
 9MHz. I tried using 9MHz just now to verify this. The mode changed as I
 moved from 9MHz to just above. I don't understand why but the mode changed
 from USB just below 9MHz to TX data just above it. Odd. This does not 
 happen
 when you spin the dial so perhaps a bug in Mikes program.

9 MHz is the transition between two bands (40 M  30 M) on the K3. When you 
used K3 Filter Tools to cross the 9 MHz boundary the mode will automatically 
be switched from the last mode used on 40 M to the last one used on 30 M. 
Thus, your mode automatically changed from SSB to Data. Users should be 
aware of these transition boundaries between the bands when they are using 
K3 Filter Tools.

 I also found another bug. The AGC was turned off and I was supposed to set
 the centre frequency. The audio was so loud that it was distorted badly 
 and
 the volume would not decrease with the pot, even the radio power off 
 switch
 failed to work. I had to cut the signal to regain control.

I have not been able to reproduce this problem, but it is not a bug in the 
program. K3 Filter Tools does not control the AF gain control at all, but it 
does turn off AGC. I am modifying the program to turn down the AF gain just 
before it turns off AGC. That will prevent the loud, annoying burst of sound 
users are experiencing.

Thanks for your comments.

Mike, KS7D
 


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[Elecraft] Electret Microphone

2009-01-21 Thread Robert C. Crawford
It looks as though I can use an Icom SM-20 on the K3 by changing the wires
around to match the pin outs of the K3 mic connector.  Is this true?  Has
anyone done it?

Thanks  73 de,
Bob
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Re: [Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Programmers got to believe Sverre or nothing will get done.  And Simon is a 
programmer!  So, it it can be done, Simon will do it.  If it can't be done, he 
will come closer than the rest.  And, I don't know any humans that can copy 
RTTY by ear, or PSK-31 and the computer manages to do that.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ


--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Sverre Holm la...@nrrl.no wrote:

 From: Sverre Holm la...@nrrl.no
 Subject: [Elecraft]  HRD cw copy
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 3:18 PM
 Simon (HB9DRV)  wrote:
 
  ...but the Morse code decoding needs some work.
 
  I agree - I would love to have a month later this year
 to work on CW
  decoding. I have no doubts that a computer can decode
 better than a human,
  just needs someone (!) to write the decoder.
 
 Oh, ye of great faith!
 
 Just think of what a hard time computers have with tough
 processing problems like recognition of natural language,
 i.e. freely spoken speech with a machine  that is not
 trained by that particular speaker. How easy it is for a
 human, and
 how hard it is for a machine even after decades of work by
 lots of people.
 
 
 Sverre
 LA3ZA
 
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Re: [Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Cookie wrote:

And, I don't know any humans that can copy RTTY by ear, or PSK-31 and the
computer manages to do that.


---

Computers today can read perfect machine-sent Morse too, if the S/N ratio is
good. (Similarly, RTTY has always gone to pot when the signals aren't
stable, whether it's the old mechanical encoder/decoders or modern
computers.)

What humans can do that no machine has even approached yet is read human
generated Morse, yet humans can do it with ease given adequate experience,
just as humans can understand speech with adequate experience while
computers still flail and make absurd errors no matter how long they work at
it. 

Ron AC7AC 


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[Elecraft] K3 test msg

2009-01-21 Thread Walter V. Gilles
test msg


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meter audio problem

2009-01-21 Thread K7WIA

k3 with a Commander amp 1200 out,  7 el M2 at 55FT right over the shack and
no problems
my Mic set at 25  comp 15 with the MH2 mic
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[Elecraft] K3 Assembly, Resistance Checks

2009-01-21 Thread Walter V. Gilles
Greetings,
 
K3/100 assembly in work.  I just did the four resistance checks that verify the 
power buses are not shorted to ground.  All R measurements exceeded the 
minimums specified.  However, that kind of leaves a big range of what 
constitutes nominal values.  Can anybody provide what are typically nominal 
values for these?  Below are what I measured on my particular K3 with respect 
to minimums required.
 
1. 12VDC IN connectors.  Required: 50K ohms   Measured: 20M ohms (out of 
range)
 
2. Between R36 (test point) and ground.  Required: 150 ohms   Measured: 234 
ohms.
 
3. Between U12 (test point) and ground.  Required: 500 ohms   Measured: 4.8K 
ohms.
 
4. Between U13 (test point) and ground.  Required: 150 ohms   Measured: 423 
ohms.
 
Thanks much.  Any advice appreciated.
 
Walter, N0DZJ


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Assembly, Resistance Checks

2009-01-21 Thread S Sacco
You are fine.

Fire it up.

73,
Steve
NN4X


On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Walter V. Gilles wvgil...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Greetings,

 K3/100 assembly in work.  I just did the four resistance checks that verify
 the power buses are not shorted to ground.  All R measurements exceeded the
 minimums specified.  However, that kind of leaves a big range of what
 constitutes nominal values.  Can anybody provide what are typically
 nominal values for these?  Below are what I measured on my particular K3
 with respect to minimums required.

 1. 12VDC IN connectors.  Required: 50K ohms   Measured: 20M ohms (out of
 range)

 2. Between R36 (test point) and ground.  Required: 150 ohms
 Measured: 234 ohms.

 3. Between U12 (test point) and ground.  Required: 500 ohms
 Measured: 4.8K ohms.

 4. Between U13 (test point) and ground.  Required: 150 ohms
 Measured: 423 ohms.

 Thanks much.  Any advice appreciated.

 Walter, N0DZJ


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[Elecraft] W1 Watt Meter

2009-01-21 Thread Tom McCulloch
A while back someone mentioned that they substituted different colored LED 
when they built the W1 watt meter, to make it easier to recognize the power 
ranges.  Someone else mentioned that the substituted LED's might not be as 
bright as those supplied by Elecfraft (which are all red).

Does anyone have any experience/observations with this?

Thanks,
Tom
WB2QDG
K2 1103 

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Re: [Elecraft] Electret Microphone

2009-01-21 Thread Shep Brokaw - W2BSB

Bob-
I use the SM-20 with my K3. Works fine!
I made an adapter cord for use with the K3 so I can still use the mic with
my IC-7000.
73
Shep - W2BSB


Robert C. Crawford wrote:
 
 It looks as though I can use an Icom SM-20 on the K3 by changing the wires
 around to match the pin outs of the K3 mic connector.  Is this true?  Has
 anyone done it?
 
 Thanks  73 de,
 Bob
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meter audio problem

2009-01-21 Thread K7WIA

I just did a check on mine with your mic  comp settings and it sounds bad.
set your mic gain with the comp off5-6 bars on the alc graph.  then turn
on the comp at a low setting a adjust it upwards...go into the TEST mode and
listen to yourself with headphones...
it sounds like the mic is set to low and you are trying to componsate it
with the comp setting
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Assembly, Resistance Checks

2009-01-21 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
All are good. 

 

The next rev of the assembly manual reduces that 50K ohm value. 

 

Ron AC7AC

 

From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter V. Gilles
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:05 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Assembly, Resistance Checks

 


Greetings,

 

K3/100 assembly in work.  I just did the four resistance checks that verify
the power buses are not shorted to ground.  All R measurements exceeded the
minimums specified.  However, that kind of leaves a big range of what
constitutes nominal values.  Can anybody provide what are typically
nominal values for these?  Below are what I measured on my particular K3
with respect to minimums required.

 

1. 12VDC IN connectors.  Required: 50K ohms   Measured: 20M ohms (out of
range)

 

2. Between R36 (test point) and ground.  Required: 150 ohms   Measured: 234
ohms.

 

3. Between U12 (test point) and ground.  Required: 500 ohms   Measured:
4.8K ohms.

 

4. Between U13 (test point) and ground.  Required: 150 ohms   Measured: 423
ohms.

 

Thanks much.  Any advice appreciated.

 

Walter, N0DZJ

 

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Re: [Elecraft] W1 Watt Meter

2009-01-21 Thread Doug Joyce
With Elecraft's assistance, I've tracked down Green and Yellow LEDs from the
same series as the Red LED used in the W1 as well as an Amber / Orange from
a different manufacturer - all available from Digi-Key.  I'm planning to
order these tomorrow and will advise on relative brightness once they are
received / tested.   I'll provide part numbers at that time.

73

Doug,  VE3MV
K3 #2432

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Subject: [Elecraft] W1 Watt Meter


 A while back someone mentioned that they substituted different colored LED
 when they built the W1 watt meter, to make it easier to recognize the
power
 ranges.  Someone else mentioned that the substituted LED's might not be as
 bright as those supplied by Elecfraft (which are all red).

 Does anyone have any experience/observations with this?

 Thanks,
 Tom
 WB2QDG
 K2 1103

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[Elecraft] K2 high current on 15 meters

2009-01-21 Thread Brett Gazdzinski
I built K2 #6673 last week, and everything works well, except for a high 
current warning on 15 meters. The current is set at 3 amps.

Things seem fine up to about 10 watts, above that, the current goes up and 
the power out stays the same.

In doing the initial receiver alignment, 15 and 17 meters did not have a 
peak like the other bands did when adjusting the band pass filters, 17 meter 
power out seems fine.

I checked that the correct components are in the correct places, and have 
the correct values, and that the solder is good, could I have a bad relay?

The adjustments for 15 and 17 meters do peak the power output, and not at 
the end of their adjustments...

Not a big issue, but I don't remember 6065 acting that way, I don't think I 
ever got the high current warning on that K2.

Brett
N2DTS

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 smoother tuning

2009-01-21 Thread Rick Dettinger
I did the same thing with my K1.  I had to ream the 6mm hole out to  
0.25 in.  Somewhat tricky.  I used a drillpress with a Dremel tool  
bit.  I like the result.  I think the K1 knob is weighted also, but I  
like the larger diameter.

73
Rick Dettinger   K7MW


On Jan 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Neal wrote:


 Well, maybe smoother tuning is not the best description.

 I built my K1 with the 80kHz tuning range option.  With time, I  
 found it was
 a little touchy.  Not wishing to go to a narrower tuning range, I  
 sought
 another answer.

 The solution was a weighted, K2 knob and two felt washers.  Given the
 limitations of the K1, it's about as good as it gets.

 BTW, it is not at all bad cosmetically.

 73, Neal WA6OCP
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Re: [Elecraft] HRD cw copy

2009-01-21 Thread Alan Bloom
On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 17:18, WILLIS COOKE wrote:
...
 And, I don't know any humans that can copy RTTY by ear,
  or PSK-31 and the computer manages to do that.

Years ago I met a fellow visiting W1AW who could copy RTTY by ear.  He
couldn't keep up with tape-sent RTTY at 60 wpm but could copy somebody
hunt-and-pecking on a keyboard.  At that time I could identify by ear
RYRYRYRY and QST DE W1AW but not much more than that.

Al N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 high current on 15 meters

2009-01-21 Thread Don Wilhelm
Brett,

Check the components in the 15/17 m Low Pass Filter carefully.  Examine 
C218, C219, C220, C221 and C222 for correct values.  Then count the 
number of turns on L23 and L24.  Count the number of times the wire 
passes through the center of the core rather than the turns around the 
outside.

Go ahead and set the CAL CUR to 3.50 amps.  If you add the KPA100, you 
must increase the setting to 3.50, and with the higher gain using the 
new transistor at Q6 it is often necessary to increase the CAL CUR limit 
- it does no harm to increase it.

73,
Don W3FPR

Brett Gazdzinski wrote:
 I built K2 #6673 last week, and everything works well, except for a high 
 current warning on 15 meters. The current is set at 3 amps.

 Things seem fine up to about 10 watts, above that, the current goes up and 
 the power out stays the same.

 In doing the initial receiver alignment, 15 and 17 meters did not have a 
 peak like the other bands did when adjusting the band pass filters, 17 meter 
 power out seems fine.

 I checked that the correct components are in the correct places, and have 
 the correct values, and that the solder is good, could I have a bad relay?

 The adjustments for 15 and 17 meters do peak the power output, and not at 
 the end of their adjustments...

 Not a big issue, but I don't remember 6065 acting that way, I don't think I 
 ever got the high current warning on that K2.

 Brett
 N2DTS

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Re: [Elecraft] AGC Setting for PSK-31

2009-01-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 The K3 is an excellent receiver so don't cripple the receive 
 chain with a poor soundcard - get a quality soundcard such as 
 the Rigblaster and you'll know there's nothing better you can 
 do.

Unfortunately the RigBlaster series of interfaces are not soundcards 
nor do they - as far as I know - provide any receive interface.  They 
are essentially a transmit interface that provides isolation and 
switching for the mic line. 

If you are getting started, connect the line output from your 
computer sound card to the Line In on the K3 and connect the 
Line Out of the K3 to the Line in on your computer soundcard 
and have fun learning all about PSK31.  If you don't want the 
Windows sounds getting from your computer to the radio, consider 
one of the interfaces with a dedicated USB soundcard, radio 
control (CAT interface) and other features in one box.  Such 
devices are made by several companies - I'm partial to the 
microHAM products (www.microHAM-USA.com) but then I distribute 
them in North and South America. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
   


 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Simon (HB9DRV)
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:16 PM
 To: Frank MacDonell; Elecraft
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AGC Setting for PSK-31
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Frank MacDonell kd8...@gmail.com
 
 
 I have a K3/10 (with a 66' dipole in the attic) and get great  
 reception on PSK-31.
 
  I have two questions. Should AGC be on or off? Aside 
 from having a 
  dedicated sound card...is there a Rx or Tx advantage to 
 using an 
  interface like Rigblaster. Thanks again for all the help you have 
  provided!
 
 The K3 is an excellent receiver so don't cripple the receive 
 chain with a 
 poor soundcard - get a quality soundcard such as the 
 Rigblaster and you'll 
 know there's nothing better you can do. Talk to Joe W4TV - 
 he's active in 
 these forums and can help as well.
 
 Use AGC however you want. The K3's dynamic range is so good 
 that using your 
 66' dipole you'll probably never suffer from strong signal overload, 
 especially if you're able to switch in a narrow filter if the 
 going gets 
 tough, for example in an RTTY contest when 1KW seems to be 
 the minimum power 
 level allowed :-)
 
 Simon Brown, HB9DRV
 www.ham-radio-deluxe.com 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] AGC Setting for PSK-31

2009-01-21 Thread Simon (HB9DRV)
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From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com
 
 Unfortunately the RigBlaster series of interfaces are not soundcards 
 nor do they - as far as I know - provide any receive interface.  They 
 are essentially a transmit interface that provides isolation and 
 switching for the mic line. 
 

I never knew taht - seem you're right. I was getting confused here...


 I'm partial to the microHAM products (www.microHAM-USA.com) 
 

A good option.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
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