Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Vic K2VCO
Steve Ellington wrote:
 Brett:
 How about this: The scope is already defined in the K3's display. All we are 
 waiting for is a firmware update to activate it. I wish!

I can tell you that this, unfortunately, is impossible. The K3's display isn't 
bit-mapped 
-- it has a fixed set of things that it can display.

I too admit that I've watched all of these LPPans go by at attractive prices 
because -- 
much as I want a panoramic display -- I am waiting for the Elecraft product. 
And I also 
hope it will be a standalone device that does not require a computer.
-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K144XV 2-m module design change

2009-07-23 Thread David Pratt
In a recent message, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote ...
The K144XV
will still cover the full 144-148 MHz range by using two local
oscillator frequencies (116 and 118 MHz). If you tune across the
boundary at 146 MHz, the oscillator will switch automatically.

As the 2 metre band in most of the world is just 144 to 146 MHz, Wayne, 
this does seem to be an unnecessary complication for many of us.  Does 
this facility increase the cost of the K144XV?  If so, is there an 
alternative option for those of us with the 144-146 MHz band?

Already having an XV144, I am trying to find a reason why I should order 
a K144XV for my K3.  Can you help?  What are the advantages?

-- 
David G4DMP
Leeds, England, UK
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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Brett Howard
I honestly don't believe that the K3 screen has the resolution to be an
effective bandscope.  But thats just my humble opinion.  

~Brett

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 00:16 -0400, Steve Ellington wrote:
 Brett:
 How about this: The scope is already defined in the K3's display. All we are 
 waiting for is a firmware update to activate it. I wish!
 Steve
 N4LQ
 n...@carolina.rr.com
 - Original Message - 
 From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com
 To: Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU le...@wa5znu.org
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN
 
 
  On that screen shot is that + and - about 20Khz?  Shouldn't the system
  be able to pull off 192Khz total width?  It would also be really slick
  if the waterfall was labeled with absolute values rather than relative
  ones.
 
  Honestly the only reason I haven't purchased an LP-PAN is because all
  the computers at the house are running Linux.  However I'm also VERY
  hopeful that the Elecraft bandscope when it comes out doesn't require a
  computer of any kind.
 
  I'm not certain on my feelings of requiring that the device needs a VGA
  monitor.  I really hope that the thing is completely self contained and
  even better if it was a box with an LCD of some sort and fits nice right
  on top of the K3 and looks like it belongs there.
 
  I guess time will only tell
 
  ~Brett
 
  On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 13:27 -0700, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU wrote:
  Linux users can install quisk-lppan-k3.  It's a far simpler user 
  interface
  than the PowerSDR software.  We're hoping to port it to Windows as well
  some day.  It can control the K3 directly, or work through fldigi, which
  is a digimode program that itself runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux.
 
  http://wa5znu.org/2009/04/quisk-lppan-k3/
 
  Leigh/WA5ZNU
 
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[Elecraft] 500HZ 5 POLE

2009-07-23 Thread KARL MARDERIAN
   FOR SALE A 500HZ 5 POLE IRAD ROOFING FILTER.


  I am asking $65.00 and  
shipping.
   N6XVT  Karl Marderian  karl...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Maarten van Rossum
You know what, I guess that Steve already knew that the K3's display wasn't
going to be able accommodate a landscape function ;-)

I too would like to express my desire for a build-in / stand alone unit for
the K3. One were I can hook up a monitor, a key board and maybe even a mouse
if I wanted too and do all the modes that are available. And also very
important, it should be more or less plug and play.

PC's and I don't go very well together and although the LP PAN stuff looks
and sounds very promising, it is way to complicated for me. I am glad that I
am able to update my K3 every once in a while. Kudo's to Elecraft for making
it that simple.

Also, for a wireless hobby, with LP PAN you sure as hell need a lot off
wires (pun intended ;-))

73, Maarten
PD2R



2009/7/23 Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com

 I honestly don't believe that the K3 screen has the resolution to be an
 effective bandscope.  But thats just my humble opinion.

 ~Brett

 On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 00:16 -0400, Steve Ellington wrote:
  Brett:
  How about this: The scope is already defined in the K3's display. All we
 are
  waiting for is a firmware update to activate it. I wish!
  Steve
  N4LQ
  n...@carolina.rr.com
  - Original Message -
  From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com
  To: Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU le...@wa5znu.org
  Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN
 
 
   On that screen shot is that + and - about 20Khz?  Shouldn't the system
   be able to pull off 192Khz total width?  It would also be really slick
   if the waterfall was labeled with absolute values rather than relative
   ones.
  
   Honestly the only reason I haven't purchased an LP-PAN is because all
   the computers at the house are running Linux.  However I'm also VERY
   hopeful that the Elecraft bandscope when it comes out doesn't require a
   computer of any kind.
  
   I'm not certain on my feelings of requiring that the device needs a VGA
   monitor.  I really hope that the thing is completely self contained and
   even better if it was a box with an LCD of some sort and fits nice
 right
   on top of the K3 and looks like it belongs there.
  
   I guess time will only tell
  
   ~Brett
  
   On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 13:27 -0700, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU wrote:
   Linux users can install quisk-lppan-k3.  It's a far simpler user
   interface
   than the PowerSDR software.  We're hoping to port it to Windows as
 well
   some day.  It can control the K3 directly, or work through fldigi,
 which
   is a digimode program that itself runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux.
  
   http://wa5znu.org/2009/04/quisk-lppan-k3/
  
   Leigh/WA5ZNU
  
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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Maarten van Rossum wrote:
 
 I too would like to express my desire for a build-in / stand alone unit
 for
 the K3. One were I can hook up a monitor, a key board and maybe even a
 mouse
 if I wanted too and do all the modes that are available. And also very
 important, it should be more or less plug and play.
 
 PC's and I don't go very well together and although the LP PAN stuff looks
 and sounds very promising, it is way to complicated for me. I am glad that
 I
 am able to update my K3 every once in a while. Kudo's to Elecraft for
 making
 it that simple.
 

I think all of us find PCs a hassle. I worked with computers all my life but
there are still times when I want to attack the thing with a 4lb club
hammer.

Unfortunately for your requirement I think a PC would be the most cost
effective platform to do all that. I think the most we can hope for is
something that is just a panoramic display. The question in my mind is,
since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to QSY,
how would that work using a separate display? Most people will still be
using a PC for logging etc. Having a separate screen for the display is not
an issue (in fact it would be a benefit to keep the main screen clear) but
having a separate screen that your mouse cannot click on doesn't seem like
an ergonomic ideal to me.

So I'm guessing that it will just be a passive display like the ones in the
Icom 756 series that you can look at but not click on.

-
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
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* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Keying A Small Amp With A K2

2009-07-23 Thread Julian, G4ILO



David Y. wrote:
 
 
 The HLA-150 has a keying line input jack for direct 
 connection to a transceiver.  However, the K2 doesn't have a 
 keying line output that I'm aware of.  So, my question to 
 you amp gurus is what would be the best (easiest) way to 
 make this work? 
 
 Any suggestions?
 
 

http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/Amp_keying_ckt.htm

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* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K144XV 2-m module design change

2009-07-23 Thread Tom (HB9DOD)

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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Vic Rosenthal wrote on Thursday, July 23, 2009 at 7:14 AM:

 I too admit that I've watched all of these LPPans go by at attractive 
 prices because -- 
 much as I want a panoramic display -- I am waiting for the Elecraft 
 product. And I also
 hope it will be a standalone device that does not require a computer.

Hi Vic,

It would be a pity if Elecraft's product could only be used to display the 
K3's receiver IF, and could not be tuned to other frequencies and used to 
display transmitter IMD products for example. Perhaps that would make the 
product too expensive.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD 

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Re: [Elecraft] LP-Pan and K3

2009-07-23 Thread Maarten van Rossum
Silence before the storm. I never expected the 144 MHz transverter module
for the K3 but it appeared out of the blue.
Who knows, maybe they are working hard on the new kit as we speak to
surprise us all in the near future... (a guy can dream, can't he?)

Maarten
PD2R

2009/7/23 rfenab...@gmail.com

 Interesting though how the deafening silence from the hallowed halls of
 Aptos remainsSMB no doubt.

 Gary
 VK4WT
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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
...since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to
QSY, how would that work using a separate display?

How about touch screen?


Best regards,
Dick - KA5KKT

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[Elecraft] LP Pan and K3

2009-07-23 Thread rfenabled
(Snip)
How about touch screen?
(End Snip)

Some are HAM fisted types and may find that feature a little difficult to use 
in the Heat of the battle..:-)

Gary
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[Elecraft] oops - KAT100 LEDs dark

2009-07-23 Thread Chris Kantarjiev
I have my KPA100 and KAT100 mounted separately in an EC2 that sits to
the left of my K2, and the SWR LEDs are mostly hidden when I'm operating.
This morning I got a HI REFL warning and hit the TUNE button. Much
clacking and things were better. But it caused me to look at the
KAT100 SWR scale and notice that only the 2 and LOW LEDs are lit -
or HIGH if I switch to non-QRP.

All the tuner clatter doesn't really change much - at least, not in
the ATU MENU display, which claims 9.9-1. When I hit TUNE, though
it always says 1.0-1.

I'm guessing that I somehow cooked one or both of the protection diodes?
I suppose that's the place to start, anyway. Good thing that I run
resonant antennas here!

73 de chris K6DBG
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Re: [Elecraft] LP Pan and K3

2009-07-23 Thread Greg - AB7R

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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread N5GE
Julian, G4ILO wrote:

I disagree.  I think the folks at Elecraft are capable of  developing 
the software required to do point and click. 

In fact I would not purchase one if I couldn't do that.

Tom, N5GE

 Maarten van Rossum wrote:
   
 I too would like to express my desire for a build-in / stand alone unit
 for
 the K3. One were I can hook up a monitor, a key board and maybe even a
 mouse
 if I wanted too and do all the modes that are available. And also very
 important, it should be more or less plug and play.

 PC's and I don't go very well together and although the LP PAN stuff looks
 and sounds very promising, it is way to complicated for me. I am glad that
 I
 am able to update my K3 every once in a while. Kudo's to Elecraft for
 making
 it that simple.

 

 I think all of us find PCs a hassle. I worked with computers all my life but
 there are still times when I want to attack the thing with a 4lb club
 hammer.

 Unfortunately for your requirement I think a PC would be the most cost
 effective platform to do all that. I think the most we can hope for is
 something that is just a panoramic display. The question in my mind is,
 since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to QSY,
 how would that work using a separate display? Most people will still be
 using a PC for logging etc. Having a separate screen for the display is not
 an issue (in fact it would be a benefit to keep the main screen clear) but
 having a separate screen that your mouse cannot click on doesn't seem like
 an ergonomic ideal to me.

 So I'm guessing that it will just be a passive display like the ones in the
 Icom 756 series that you can look at but not click on.

 -
 Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
 * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
 * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
 * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

   


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[Elecraft] KAT2 Power problem (more)

2009-07-23 Thread Tom Campie
To the list - I have yet to solve my problem with my KAT2.  So far I have
replaced T1 which yielded the correct 3.4v on TX on the input to U4 and
0.74v on RX.  Unfortunately U4 was not buffering that through to R6 so I
replaced U4.  I now see the 3.4v on R6 in TX BUT 2.4v in RX.  I have yet to
find where this 2.4v is coming from.  NOTE: this is present even when R6 is
not connected to the board.  Obviously when R6 is in line, it blanks the
receiver due to the high voltage on it.

I'm already in deep correspondence with Don and Gary but if you have any
ideas please do not hesitate to drop one to me as well...

Thanks and wish us luck!

Tom W0EA
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K144XV 2-m module design change

2009-07-23 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I believe that the reuse of ten meters can be transparent IF desired, and
the hi-lo range switching will not happen while going RX to TX for any
common use I  know about.

K3 will show the 2 meter frequency when using the radio as an IF.  The only
change is what band in the K3 is used as an IF.  And, the choice will belong
to the owner.

from Wayne's post:

You can set two 2-m transverter bands on the K3 if you like, one
configured for CW/SSB work (144 MHz band edge) and the other for use
with repeaters (146 MHz band edge). Or you can set up one band for the
entire range, and the oscillator will switch as you tune across the
boundary.
73, Guy

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Grant Youngman n...@tx.rr.com wrote:

 I suppose the rest of us (non-high-power high band multi-station
 contesters) shouldn't care.

 But it seems this is one of those things that benefits a very few
 users at the expense of adding a bit of operational clunkiness for the
 bulk of K3 users  and to what was originally a pretty clean design
 idea with single band coverage.   Heavy hitting contesters, do, after
 all, have other options such as high performance external
 transverters, etc., which they most likely already have on the table.

 Grant/NQ5T

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT3 Specs

2009-07-23 Thread Ignacy

KAT3 matches pretty well, as good as Z11Pro.

The only issue with KAT3 vs an external tuner is dealing with common
currents. Many baluns including BL1 and BL2 have high losses at high SWR and
become very hot. With an external tuner you can create a very effective
balun by wrapping a jumper a few times around a toroid. Very good isolation
and now warming. However having KAT3 is convenient as it tracks frequency
changes and tuning is one button push. 

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[Elecraft] Elecraft Panadapter

2009-07-23 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
I haven't used a panaramic display but have wanted one for some time.  I do 
have a problem understanding how a stand alone display can possibly have the 
capabilities of a PC based design as far as point and click to change the 
radio to the frequency of the signal you are seeing.

I CAN see the usefulness of a second video display monitor on the PC to use 
for some of the extras that would get covered up on you main screen when 
you have it set the way you like.

I too am waiting for the Elecraft unit to see how it is implemented and it's 
capabilities.

73, de Jim KG0KP

- Original Message - 
From: Vic K2VCO v...@rakefet.com
To: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN


 Steve Ellington wrote:
 Brett:
 How about this: The scope is already defined in the K3's display. All we 
 are
 waiting for is a firmware update to activate it. I wish!

 I can tell you that this, unfortunately, is impossible. The K3's display 
 isn't bit-mapped
 -- it has a fixed set of things that it can display.

 I too admit that I've watched all of these LPPans go by at attractive 
 prices because -- 
 much as I want a panoramic display -- I am waiting for the Elecraft 
 product. And I also
 hope it will be a standalone device that does not require a computer.
 -- 
 73,
 Vic, K2VCO
 Fresno CA
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[Elecraft] LP-Pan and K3

2009-07-23 Thread rfenabled
I have to agree with the idea it must stand alone and have a point and click 
functionality otherwise it's a toy too similar to ICOM.

I have had a few ICOMS with their version of a bandscope and they left me 
suitably unimpressed and therefore I would be leaving my money in the bank and 
looking for something else to buy.

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[Elecraft] K3 - Reflector = school

2009-07-23 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
What an understatement.

I just downloaded a newer version of the manual and am reading the whole 
thing again.  It is hard to keep up with the new stuff.  I'm glad they 
continue to add new options.  The reflector gets you all the how-tos for the 
new stuff and help with figuring out the what setting you changed that made 
it do that.

73, de Jim KG0KP

- Original Message - 
From: Phil LaMarche plama...@verizon.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:18 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3


 What I love about this reflector is every day is a day in school.  I learn
 so much and I thank everyone.

 Phil


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K144XV 2-m module design change

2009-07-23 Thread Grant Youngman
That may be true, and it will probably be transparent as you  
indicate.   Other small interest groups (with apparently not as much  
pull) can't seem to get other promised and advertised features  
delivered that have no side effects at all, although I think all of us  
paid the same price for our radios :-)

One apparently has to be a contester of some repute to get attention.   
Maybe I'll start a group that holds multi-station multi-operator high  
power 6M/VHF AM contests requiring the use of synchronous AM detection  
to score points :-)

Grant/NQ5T


On Jul 23, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

 I believe that the reuse of ten meters can be transparent IF  
 desired, and the hi-lo range switching will not happen while going  
 RX to TX for any common use I  know about.

 K3 will show the 2 meter frequency when using the radio as an IF.   
 The only change is what band in the K3 is used as an IF.  And, the  
 choice will belong to the owner.


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[Elecraft] LP-Pan vs K3 unit

2009-07-23 Thread rfenabled
If, as we are lead to believe that Aptos are going to release a stand alone box 
to match the K3, I would hope that it will provide a clear choice in such a way 
that we are able to have our cake and eat it too.

1. Matching box
2. External monitor
3. PC interface
4. USB mouse support
5. 192Khz or better waterfall
6. Colour screen
7. Point and click
8. Auto tracking
9. Remote capture and save facility
10. Integrated K3 utility onboard
11. Visual audio spec-an equal to spectragram etc (not the useless display such 
as the FTdx-9000 series)

Price including these features will increase the more features are added, but 
to be worthy of the Elecraft name it needs to be a quality product that 
enhances the already impressive K3

Maybe this is just a dream, but it sure makes waiting interesting:-)

I would be heading to the bank for one like this if available from Elecraft

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Panadapter

2009-07-23 Thread Vic K2VCO
Jim Miller KG0KP wrote:
 I haven't used a panaramic display but have wanted one for some time.  I 
 do have a problem understanding how a stand alone display can possibly 
 have the capabilities of a PC based design as far as point and click to 
 change the radio to the frequency of the signal you are seeing.

There are 'single board computers' available that would provide mouse, VGA, and 
RS232 
support and which can be programmed to do whatever you want. They have simple 
operating 
systems (sometimes forms of Linux) and are designed to be embedded in devices 
like this. 
When you click on the display it would just send the appropriate rig-control 
command to 
the K3.

A panoramic display unit could incorporate this plus a simple SDR to provide 
all these 
functions.

If it did not include the display itself but could be connected to a VGA 
monitor, the 
price could be kept reasonable. Monitors are cheap and used ones are often 
free. And the 
owner could choose how big a display he wanted.
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K144XV 2-m module design change

2009-07-23 Thread Wayne Burdick
Tom (HB9DOD) wrote:

 How does this work when either receive or transmit frequency is on  
 the other band in duplex

 For instance 146.3 recieve and 145.7 transmit... does the oscillator  
 also switch?

Yes. But I don't know of any cases where normal repeater splits go  
across 146 MHz. And in any case you're limited to 144-146 MHz in HB- 
land, last time I checked :)

Regarding another question posted here: The K144XV module has two  
advantages over our external 2-m transverter (the XV144). It's  
internal to the K3, and covers the full 144-148 MHz range. The XV144,  
being external, can be used with other rigs besides the K3, and has  
higher output power.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



 Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:31:45 AM, you wrote:

 WB Our prototype K144XV 2-m module for the K3 used a 6 meter IF  
 (50-54
 WB MHz). However, a number of K3 owners were concerned with this. In
 WB multi-transmitter installations, such as during high-band  
 contesting,
 WB stations typically standardize on a 10-m IF to avoid interaction  
 with
 WB high-power 6-m transmitters.

 WB Because of this, we've decided go with 10 m (28-30 MHz)





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Re: [Elecraft] LP-Pan vs K3 unit

2009-07-23 Thread Doug Person
I think having all these features can only be economically implemented 
with an external  computer.

For me, I only wish for a real panoramic display in color with 
adjustable bandwidth.  Having the ability to see the band offers such 
a significant advantage that I feel quite blind without it.

Mice, point and click functions, K3 utility on-board, and most of these 
other things require some sort of operating system.  You're basically 
asking for a complete PC built into a K3 style box.

All I want is the ability to see the activity around me on the band I'm 
currently using.

Doug -- K0DXV

rfenab...@gmail.com wrote:
 If, as we are lead to believe that Aptos are going to release a stand alone 
 box to match the K3, I would hope that it will provide a clear choice in such 
 a way that we are able to have our cake and eat it too.

 1. Matching box
 2. External monitor
 3. PC interface
 4. USB mouse support
 5. 192Khz or better waterfall
 6. Colour screen
 7. Point and click
 8. Auto tracking
 9. Remote capture and save facility
 10. Integrated K3 utility onboard
 11. Visual audio spec-an equal to spectragram etc (not the useless display 
 such as the FTdx-9000 series)

 Price including these features will increase the more features are added, but 
 to be worthy of the Elecraft name it needs to be a quality product that 
 enhances the already impressive K3

 Maybe this is just a dream, but it sure makes waiting interesting:-)

 I would be heading to the bank for one like this if available from Elecraft

 Gary
 VK4WT
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[Elecraft] 2 meter module

2009-07-23 Thread Phil LaMarche
Will the changes push out the August delivery?
 
Phil
 

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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread R. Kevin Stover
Click with what?
Plug a mouse/keyboard into the panadapter?
That's going to be some pretty fancy firmware programming and real 
expensive.

I don't think there's any way for Elecraft to produce a standalone 
panadapter that can compete with the LP-PAN/Sound card/Computer combo 
either performance or price wise.

We'll see if they can prove me wrong.

N5GE wrote:
 I disagree.  I think the folks at Elecraft are capable of  developing 
 the software required to do point and click. 

 In fact I would not purchase one if I couldn't do that.

 Tom, N5GE
   
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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click

2009-07-23 Thread Dick Williams
I'm sure that Elecraft (or any other company) can design and produce just 
about whatever is technologically feasible.   However, the issue boils down 
to at what cost, and then what market is out there to recover the costs.

Yes, it will be great if Elecraft does come out with a Panadapter add on; 
the last figure I heard was in the $700 to $800 dollar price range. 
However, if one were to start tacking on all the features that every K3 
owner feels is a must have, the price would probably triple.

Now granted,  if you add 2400 or so bucks to the price of the K3, it is 
still considerable less than the piece of junk Icom sells for 12,000 bucks 
(I guess 10,500 with all the discounts).   Personally though,  I don't think 
the majority of K3 owner would want to fork over much more than 700 dollars 
for a panadaptor.And this is especially true when you can achieve the 
same results (and with a unit that will most likely do considerable more 
than what is in the works at Elecraft) right now for under $300.  A lot of 
the features that seem to wanted are already functional or soon will be 
with LP-Pan.

Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own a 
computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby 
were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can afford a 
K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and say 
you can afford to purchase a computer.

You don't have to be a computer geek to install and configure LP-Pan, 
LP-Bridge, and Power SDR.   And if you run into problems, there seems to be 
plenty of help on the LP reflector and my dealings with Larry at Telepost 
leave me with the impression that he is more than willing to take the extra 
step in helping you to get his product up and running.

I have had LP-Pan hooked up to my K3 for about a week and I am really 
impressed with what it does.  Went out and bought a second monitor for the 
computer and I have PowerSDR displayed on it.  Right now the display is 14 
wide and 7 in height;  I can damn near read it without my glasses!

That is my two cents worth.

Dick K8ZTT





 Julian, G4ILO wrote:

 I disagree.  I think the folks at Elecraft are capable of  developing
 the software required to do point and click.

 In fact I would not purchase one if I couldn't do that.

 Tom, N5GE

 Maarten van Rossum wrote:

 I too would like to express my desire for a build-in / stand alone unit
 for
 the K3. One were I can hook up a monitor, a key board and maybe even a
 mouse
 if I wanted too and do all the modes that are available. And also very
 important, it should be more or less plug and play.

 PC's and I don't go very well together and although the LP PAN stuff 
 looks
 and sounds very promising, it is way to complicated for me. I am glad 
 that
 I
 am able to update my K3 every once in a while. Kudo's to Elecraft for
 making
 it that simple.



 I think all of us find PCs a hassle. I worked with computers all my life 
 but
 there are still times when I want to attack the thing with a 4lb club
 hammer.

 Unfortunately for your requirement I think a PC would be the most cost
 effective platform to do all that. I think the most we can hope for is
 something that is just a panoramic display. The question in my mind is,
 since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to 
 QSY,
 how would that work using a separate display? Most people will still be
 using a PC for logging etc. Having a separate screen for the display is 
 not
 an issue (in fact it would be a benefit to keep the main screen clear) 
 but
 having a separate screen that your mouse cannot click on doesn't seem 
 like
 an ergonomic ideal to me.

 So I'm guessing that it will just be a passive display like the ones in 
 the
 Icom 756 series that you can look at but not click on.

 -
 Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
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[Elecraft] Kit Builderes?

2009-07-23 Thread H. M. Motley, Jr,
I have K2 and KX1 kits which I got a year or so ago from a local ham who like 
me never built them. Both are probably 4 or 5 years old!  I have no time lately 
and no place in this QTH to build a kit and I'm getting tired of seeing the 
boxes on the floor of the shack.  If anyone here would like to build the kits 
for me let me know by direct e-mail how much you would charge for each kit. 
Perhaps I could get to the KX1 here but the K2 will never get done if I have to 
build it.  Good intentions never get anything done!

73,
Puck W4PM  
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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Joe Planisky
Bah.  There are tons of embedded PC boards that essentially offer the  
functionality and I/O of an entire PC on a board the size of a credit  
card. Here's a site that lists a few.

http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/Linux-For-Devices-Articles/Teeny-weeny-Linux-SBCs/

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:27 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:

 Click with what?
 Plug a mouse/keyboard into the panadapter?
 That's going to be some pretty fancy firmware programming and real
 expensive.

 I don't think there's any way for Elecraft to produce a standalone
 panadapter that can compete with the LP-PAN/Sound card/Computer combo
 either performance or price wise.

 We'll see if they can prove me wrong.


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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click

2009-07-23 Thread Vic K2VCO
Dick Williams wrote:

 Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own a 
 computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby 
 were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can afford a 
 K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and say 
 you can afford to purchase a computer.
 
 You don't have to be a computer geek to install and configure LP-Pan, 
 LP-Bridge, and Power SDR.  

I have (several) computers and I am a 'computer geek'. But I still want a 
standalone unit.

I want it to come on when the radio does and I don't want to mess around with 
all of the 
issues surrounding a computer just to use it.
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[Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click

2009-07-23 Thread Ken Kopp
My wants are basic ... I'm just interested in seeing the band, 
or a portion thereof.

Point and click doesn't interest me ... I traded off a hamfest-won 
Flex 3000 a couple of  months ago..  

Aptos has my order for the display, what-ever it turns out to be. (:-))

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Dave - AB7E

I fully agree.  Even more to the point, can anyone explain to me why it is at 
all important for a panadapter to be standalone, i.e., independent of a 
computer for either display or function?  

1.  Whether I am contesting or DXing or ragchewing, my computer is always 
connected to my K3 for logging and other functions (digital modes, memory 
buffers, etc).  Why would I want to add another user interface in the form of a 
keyboard or mouse connected directly to the panadapter?

2.  I guarantee I would be able to upgrade my computer for function or storage 
capacity more easily than I could the innards of a standalone panadapter.  The 
more dedicated hardware in the panadapter, the more functionally stagnate it 
becomes.

3.  External monitors with MUCH larger screens that would be practical for a 
standalone panadapter are cheap, as are video cards with dual monitor ports.  
What's the point of having a wide spectrum capability if the display scrunches 
it down to VGA dimensions?

4.  Software that controlled the panadapter from the computer would almost 
certainly integrate more easily into other software such as logging or rig 
control programs, compared with firmware residing on the panadapter.


So ... why add cost and size in the form of panadapter hardware that can be 
done better and more cheaply with hardware that already exists?  Are there that 
many K3 owners out there that use their rig like an FT-101?

73,
Dave   AB7E


--Original Mail--
From: R. Kevin Stover rksto...@mchsi.com
To: N5GE n...@n5ge.com,
Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:27:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

Click with what?
Plug a mouse/keyboard into the panadapter?
That's going to be some pretty fancy firmware programming and real 
expensive.

I don't think there's any way for Elecraft to produce a standalone 
panadapter that can compete with the LP-PAN/Sound card/Computer combo 
either performance or price wise.

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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click

2009-07-23 Thread Dave - AB7E

Actually, you can buy a very competent refurbished computer (with warranty), a 
nice display, and LP-Pan for less than the price Elecraft has projected for the 
panadapter.  Along with many others I am looking forward to the Elecraft 
panadapter with great anticipation, but if it doesn't offer performance and 
flexibility instead of redundant hardware I won't be very impressed.

73,
Dave   AB7E




--Original Mail--
From: Dick Williams k8...@mho.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:37:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click


Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own a 
computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby 
were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can afford a 
K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and say 
you can afford to purchase a computer.


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Re: [Elecraft] LP-Pan vs K3 unit

2009-07-23 Thread Henk Remijn PA5KT
This all would be nice, but as I want just 1 keyboard and 1 mouse I also
would like to have the possibility to run all my apps on this box.
N1MM
HRD
Several propagation and logging progams.

Etc etc.

Hmmm, this sounds like a complete computer?

I think I keep it with my LP-PAN and spend the money on improvement of
my pc.

What you want depends on what you do and how you work. I do a lot of
contesting on HF and I am interested in weak signal reception on VHF and
higher.
For the contesting I need a complete integration with my logging progam,
point and click. For weak signal a display of the whole IF is nice, but
what I need is simultaneous detection of all the signals I see. And  I
want this info in my  software.
No external PAN adapter for me.

73 Henk PA5KT


rfenab...@gmail.com schreef:
 If, as we are lead to believe that Aptos are going to release a stand alone 
 box to match the K3, I would hope that it will provide a clear choice in such 
 a way that we are able to have our cake and eat it too.

 1. Matching box
 2. External monitor
 3. PC interface
 4. USB mouse support
 5. 192Khz or better waterfall
 6. Colour screen
 7. Point and click
 8. Auto tracking
 9. Remote capture and save facility
 10. Integrated K3 utility onboard
 11. Visual audio spec-an equal to spectragram etc (not the useless display 
 such as the FTdx-9000 series)

 Price including these features will increase the more features are added, but 
 to be worthy of the Elecraft name it needs to be a quality product that 
 enhances the already impressive K3

 Maybe this is just a dream, but it sure makes waiting interesting:-)

 I would be heading to the bank for one like this if available from Elecraft
   


-- 
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email: pa...@remijn.net
www: www.remijn.net


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K144XV 2-m module design change

2009-07-23 Thread Henk Remijn PA5KT
Wayne,

I dont see a problem with this change.
Is the August delivery date still valid?

How about the daughter board to use it as transverter IF?

73 Henk

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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click

2009-07-23 Thread Paul Christensen
Dave,

I think what's turning many folks away is the combined complexity of cables, 
temperamental drivers, high-end sound cards, and the need for a reasonably 
competent PC (owing to PowerSDR software).  That's a shame because much of 
these problems are easy to overcome with the SDR-IQ unit.  Only two cables 
are used for connectivity and it's self-powered through the USB cable.  Much 
of the needed DSP processing power is assigned to the SDR-IQ rather than the 
need to depend on PowerSDR or one of its variants that places a high CPU 
demand on the PC when using a high-end sound card.

With the SDR-IQ, I've found my PC's CPU demand is minimal -- to the point 
where I use it with an inexpensive Samsung netbook PC for point  click 
tuning through SpectraVue software.  The K3, netbook, SDR-IQ and two 
cables -- and you're done.   If the SDR-IQ is set up as only a panadpter 
without the need for its internal demods, CPU demand is reduced further.

I'm sure Elecraft will make their panadapter as powerful as possible for the 
price -- but it's pretty tough to beat the utility-to-price ratio of a $300 
netbook + $495 SDR-IQ unit -- and use it for much more than just a 
panadpter.  If the small netbook monitor is not of sufficient size, just 
plug-in a flatscreen LCD monitor of your choice.   For me, I get a powerful 
combination at home with large monitor and between the tiny SDR-IQ and 
netbook, I can quickly take it portable with the K3 in a small Pelican case.

Paul, W9AC

- Original Message - 
From: Dave - AB7E xda...@cis-broadband.com
To: k8...@mho.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click



 Actually, you can buy a very competent refurbished computer (with 
 warranty), a nice display, and LP-Pan for less than the price Elecraft has 
 projected for the panadapter.  Along with many others I am looking forward 
 to the Elecraft panadapter with great anticipation, but if it doesn't 
 offer performance and flexibility instead of redundant hardware I won't be 
 very impressed.

 73,
 Dave   AB7E




 --Original Mail--
 From: Dick Williams k8...@mho.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:37:41 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click


 Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own 
 a
 computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby
 were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can afford a
 K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and 
 say
 you can afford to purchase a computer.


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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Steve Ellington
Anti point and clickers..Imagine replacing your computer mouse with two 
knobs and a button. Remember Etch a Sketch? Once you get used to clicking on 
signals with a mouse, going back to a knob would hurt. Sure, You'll get 
there eventually, after you pass through all those other blips and forget 
what you were aiming at!


Steve
N4LQ
n...@carolina.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: Dave - AB7E xda...@cis-broadband.com
To: rksto...@mchsi.com; n...@n5ge.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN



 I fully agree.  Even more to the point, can anyone explain to me why it is 
 at all important for a panadapter to be standalone, i.e., independent of a 
 computer for either display or function?

 1.  Whether I am contesting or DXing or ragchewing, my computer is always 
 connected to my K3 for logging and other functions (digital modes, memory 
 buffers, etc).  Why would I want to add another user interface in the form 
 of a keyboard or mouse connected directly to the panadapter?

 2.  I guarantee I would be able to upgrade my computer for function or 
 storage capacity more easily than I could the innards of a standalone 
 panadapter.  The more dedicated hardware in the panadapter, the more 
 functionally stagnate it becomes.

 3.  External monitors with MUCH larger screens that would be practical for 
 a standalone panadapter are cheap, as are video cards with dual monitor 
 ports.  What's the point of having a wide spectrum capability if the 
 display scrunches it down to VGA dimensions?

 4.  Software that controlled the panadapter from the computer would almost 
 certainly integrate more easily into other software such as logging or rig 
 control programs, compared with firmware residing on the panadapter.


 So ... why add cost and size in the form of panadapter hardware that can 
 be done better and more cheaply with hardware that already exists?  Are 
 there that many K3 owners out there that use their rig like an FT-101?

 73,
 Dave   AB7E


 --Original Mail--
 From: R. Kevin Stover rksto...@mchsi.com
 To: N5GE n...@n5ge.com,
Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:27:38 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

 Click with what?
 Plug a mouse/keyboard into the panadapter?
 That's going to be some pretty fancy firmware programming and real
 expensive.

 I don't think there's any way for Elecraft to produce a standalone
 panadapter that can compete with the LP-PAN/Sound card/Computer combo
 either performance or price wise.

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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Brett Howard
Because some of us despise being forced to run Windows to use the
product.  Some of us would also like the tools to continue working
well beyond when they are supported.  If someone quits writing
software to support a particular tool it only takes the next version
of windows to feasibly turn that product into an expensive brick.

Personally I'd be ok with just a bandscope with a nice resolution and
very fast update rate without point and click functionality.  Drop in
some more handy test type features (like Elecraft already has with the
AFV and what not)...

Honestly we already have a perfectly fine computer based solution and
it looks like its slowly getting better Linux support.  Why would we
need another.  I want my radio to perform like a radio so that I can
take it to the top of a hill and make it work sans computer.  I've
already had a blast taking it up to a few mountain tops and making a
few RTTY contacts sans computer.  Come on thats fun!

I'm still one of those guys that thinks an oscilloscope should have
knobs and buttons and no keyboard.  I also think that an oscilloscope
shouldn't take several minutes to boot up!  Some things just aren't
made better by adding a computer.

~Brett (KC7OTG)

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Dave - AB7Exda...@cis-broadband.com wrote:

 I fully agree.  Even more to the point, can anyone explain to me why it is at 
 all important for a panadapter to be standalone, i.e., independent of a 
 computer for either display or function?

 1.  Whether I am contesting or DXing or ragchewing, my computer is always 
 connected to my K3 for logging and other functions (digital modes, memory 
 buffers, etc).  Why would I want to add another user interface in the form of 
 a keyboard or mouse connected directly to the panadapter?

 2.  I guarantee I would be able to upgrade my computer for function or 
 storage capacity more easily than I could the innards of a standalone 
 panadapter.  The more dedicated hardware in the panadapter, the more 
 functionally stagnate it becomes.

 3.  External monitors with MUCH larger screens that would be practical for a 
 standalone panadapter are cheap, as are video cards with dual monitor ports.  
 What's the point of having a wide spectrum capability if the display 
 scrunches it down to VGA dimensions?

 4.  Software that controlled the panadapter from the computer would almost 
 certainly integrate more easily into other software such as logging or rig 
 control programs, compared with firmware residing on the panadapter.


 So ... why add cost and size in the form of panadapter hardware that can be 
 done better and more cheaply with hardware that already exists?  Are there 
 that many K3 owners out there that use their rig like an FT-101?

 73,
 Dave   AB7E


 --Original Mail--
 From: R. Kevin Stover rksto...@mchsi.com
 To: N5GE n...@n5ge.com,
    Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:27:38 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

 Click with what?
 Plug a mouse/keyboard into the panadapter?
 That's going to be some pretty fancy firmware programming and real
 expensive.

 I don't think there's any way for Elecraft to produce a standalone
 panadapter that can compete with the LP-PAN/Sound card/Computer combo
 either performance or price wise.

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[Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
.especially those who don't care about a pure sidetone note - usually
preferring something with a little more character - and for those who like
to hear a real fist instead of a keyer.

 

The sender is Denise Stoops, the first female operator at KPH transmitting
the closing message at the recent Night of Nights activity.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4scmlC7tI

 

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click

2009-07-23 Thread Maarten van Rossum
After reconsidering I came to the conclusion that I just want to be able to
see a portion of the band I'm on.
Sure, point and click would be nice but if I really want that, I'll go with
the all ready existing panadapter or something like Flexradio.

Yes, I have a PC in my shack and it is used for logging and updating the K3
and surfing on the www, that's it. I don't want it to do anything else. I
just don't get along with those darn things.
When I was young all my friends were starting to get familiar with PC's. My
parents didn't buy one because they thought it was just a hype and it would
blow over. Boy were they wrong. By the time we finally got one all my
friends could do magic with these things (at least in my eyes they could)
and all I could do with it was turning it on and off. I lost interest before
I even got started.
When I got older I got confronted with fact that I couldn't get around
them so I learned how to use then but I never could really enjoy it. I still
don't for that matter.

I'm probably missing out on a whole bunch of stuff but I guess I don't know
exactly what it is that I'm missing and therefore I don't Miss it. (that
sentence can't be wright but I think you know what I mean)

I will now go to start and turn off my PC (I know, that's Windows and not
the PC itself) and turn on the K3 to make some Q's.

73, Maarten
PD2R

P.s. just now I wanted to copy/paste this text I just wrote so I could check
the spelling on a online spellchecker. Now the darn thing won't copy/paste
anymore?!?! It is probably something I did and I will figure it out but it
just bugs me. So, I'm sorry for any spelling errors.
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[Elecraft] [K3] Tune Up of ALS-600

2009-07-23 Thread list1
Hi All,
I have studied both manuals.  I think I know how to tune up the ALS-600 for
CW, but not sure of how to do it with SSB especially with external ALC.

I would like to get about 500 Watts out with SSB for my MARS work.

It seems I need to set the ALC to just kick in at about maximum power.  I
think it is good to use the ALC feature since K3 users have mentioned power
spikes out of the K3 at times, (although I think others on this list have
said to stay away from the ALC, but I can't find the emails).  The question
I have is how to determine the K3 drive necessary to get the 500 Watts out
of the ALS-600?  I don't think whistling is a good procedure, but maybe it
is.

I am thinking that the ALC concern with many here is that it is sometimes
used to greatly reduce the drive coming out of the exciter to give a lot of
voice compression, and if the ALC should fail, full exciter power may go to
the amp. Like setting the K3 to 100 Watts out and using the external ALC to
really limit it to 50 Watts.

I am happy with the small amount of speech compression I have set on the K3
so I don't want to use the ALC for that.

Any comments are appreciated.

Steve, W2MY, AAR6CX
Corpus Christi, TX

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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click

2009-07-23 Thread Grant Youngman


 I'm sure Elecraft will make their panadapter as powerful as possible  
 for the
 price -- but it's pretty tough to beat the utility-to-price ratio of  
 a $300
 netbook + $495 SDR-IQ unit -- a

I suspect you expect too much from a $300 netbook thingy.

But isn't it amazing that the price of the computer (even a not- 
netbook)  might be less than the price of the RF head.  How is that  
possible -- with all of those 12AU7 dual triode flip-flops in the  
computer :-)

Grant/NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click

2009-07-23 Thread Brett Howard
Honestly I'm perfectly fine with a computer solution but I want the
same amount of power and flexibility no matter if I'm sitting in front
of Windows or Linux or even Mac for that matter!  I give high praise
to Elecraft for keeping software update utilities for all 3 OSes and
they are all kept up to date!

However all this being said there is already a computer solution which
is no where near as powerful in Linux but its coming along...  Why do
we need yet another of the same thing?  For me an embedded solution
would be where its at.  I'd like to see something with a PXA310 or
similar processor that was essentially a PDA with a specialized wider
shorter display.  Implementing it as a touchscreen would be nice but a
lot of the hams I've known would be way to ham fisted to be able to
operate it and so they'd just complain.  I see good value in adding a
good fast updating display with decent resolution.  Oh and I'm all for
small too!  My eyes still work good!

~Brett

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Dick Williamsk8...@mho.com wrote:
 I'm sure that Elecraft (or any other company) can design and produce just
 about whatever is technologically feasible.   However, the issue boils down
 to at what cost, and then what market is out there to recover the costs.

 Yes, it will be great if Elecraft does come out with a Panadapter add on;
 the last figure I heard was in the $700 to $800 dollar price range.
 However, if one were to start tacking on all the features that every K3
 owner feels is a must have, the price would probably triple.

 Now granted,  if you add 2400 or so bucks to the price of the K3, it is
 still considerable less than the piece of junk Icom sells for 12,000 bucks
 (I guess 10,500 with all the discounts).   Personally though,  I don't think
 the majority of K3 owner would want to fork over much more than 700 dollars
 for a panadaptor.    And this is especially true when you can achieve the
 same results (and with a unit that will most likely do considerable more
 than what is in the works at Elecraft) right now for under $300.  A lot of
 the features that seem to wanted are already functional or soon will be
 with LP-Pan.

 Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own a
 computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby
 were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can afford a
 K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and say
 you can afford to purchase a computer.

 You don't have to be a computer geek to install and configure LP-Pan,
 LP-Bridge, and Power SDR.   And if you run into problems, there seems to be
 plenty of help on the LP reflector and my dealings with Larry at Telepost
 leave me with the impression that he is more than willing to take the extra
 step in helping you to get his product up and running.

 I have had LP-Pan hooked up to my K3 for about a week and I am really
 impressed with what it does.  Went out and bought a second monitor for the
 computer and I have PowerSDR displayed on it.  Right now the display is 14
 wide and 7 in height;  I can damn near read it without my glasses!

 That is my two cents worth.

 Dick K8ZTT





 Julian, G4ILO wrote:

 I disagree.  I think the folks at Elecraft are capable of  developing
 the software required to do point and click.

 In fact I would not purchase one if I couldn't do that.

 Tom, N5GE

 Maarten van Rossum wrote:

 I too would like to express my desire for a build-in / stand alone unit
 for
 the K3. One were I can hook up a monitor, a key board and maybe even a
 mouse
 if I wanted too and do all the modes that are available. And also very
 important, it should be more or less plug and play.

 PC's and I don't go very well together and although the LP PAN stuff
 looks
 and sounds very promising, it is way to complicated for me. I am glad
 that
 I
 am able to update my K3 every once in a while. Kudo's to Elecraft for
 making
 it that simple.



 I think all of us find PCs a hassle. I worked with computers all my life
 but
 there are still times when I want to attack the thing with a 4lb club
 hammer.

 Unfortunately for your requirement I think a PC would be the most cost
 effective platform to do all that. I think the most we can hope for is
 something that is just a panoramic display. The question in my mind is,
 since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to
 QSY,
 how would that work using a separate display? Most people will still be
 using a PC for logging etc. Having a separate screen for the display is
 not
 an issue (in fact it would be a benefit to keep the main screen clear)
 but
 having a separate screen that your mouse cannot click on doesn't seem
 like
 an ergonomic ideal to me.

 So I'm guessing that it will just be a passive display like the ones in
 the
 Icom 756 series that you can look at but not click on.

 -
 Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
 * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
 * KComm 

Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click

2009-07-23 Thread Grant Youngman

On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Ken Kopp wrote:


 Aptos has my order for the display, what-ever it turns out to be.  
 (:-))



So, how did you give Aptos your order, since it isn't on the price  
list yet.  Do I just send an email to Madeline with my private Swiss  
bank account number and instruct her to transfer what she will?  :-)

Grant/NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Rick Dettinger
After watching the video, I went into the shack and opened up all the  
adjustments on my bug.  And increased the spring tension.  I have not  
been sending near aerobic enough.  Now I know what full contact CW  
looks like.  But I don't know if I could ever get used to that buzz  
note side tone.  I will not complain about my K1 note again.  At least  
not for awhile.

73

Rick Dettinger K7MW




 The sender is Denise Stoops, the first female operator at KPH  
 transmitting
 the closing message at the recent Night of Nights activity.



 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4scmlC7tI



 Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread N5GE
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 .especially those who don't care about a pure sidetone note - usually
 preferring something with a little more character - and for those who like
 to hear a real fist instead of a keyer.

  

 The sender is Denise Stoops, the first female operator at KPH transmitting
 the closing message at the recent Night of Nights activity.

  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4scmlC7tI

  

 Ron AC7AC

 [snip]
   
Thanks for the great link Ron.

Too bad that most bug users can't even hope to reach the level of  
Denise's expertise in the use of a bug.

Tom N5GE


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K144XV 2-m module design change

2009-07-23 Thread Wayne Burdick
Henk Remijn PA5KT wrote:

 I dont see a problem with this change.
 Is the August delivery date still valid?

We're still shooting for the end of August, although the design change  
and subsequent retesting may push this out a bit.

 How about the daughter board to use it as transverter IF?

That will be released sometime after first shipments of the basic  
K144XV. But it will be easy to install (no soldering).

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Thanks for the great link Ron.

Too bad that most bug users can't even hope to reach the level of  
Denise's expertise in the use of a bug.

Tom N5GE

---

You remind me that anything worth doing is worth doing badly at first. 

That's the only way to learn, especially when individual skill is required.
I noticed that even Denise can have a sticky dash now and again after she
tires just a bit.

I've found many good fists - some I'd call great - using bugs on the Ham
bands. 

However, like most things, it's the really bad ones that are noticed most
often. 

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
   From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz
   Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:47:35 -0700
   Content-Language: en-us

   Thanks for the great link Ron.

   Too bad that most bug users can't even hope to reach the level of  
   Denise's expertise in the use of a bug.

   Tom N5GE

   ---

   You remind me that anything worth doing is worth doing badly at first. 

   That's the only way to learn, especially when individual skill is required.
   I noticed that even Denise can have a sticky dash now and again after she
   tires just a bit.

Note that she'd provided food for the gathering, and was at the RX
site at Point Reyes from before 1500, with a lot of people going
through, and she had to get to the TX site in Bolinas, which is a fun
ride on a motorcycle in daylight, but otherwise not so much.

73, doug
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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Dave - AB7E

And you need a panadapter for that?

Dave   AB7E



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From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com


I want my radio to perform like a radio so that I can
take it to the top of a hill and make it work sans computer.  I've
already had a blast taking it up to a few mountain tops and making a
few RTTY contacts sans computer.  Come on thats fun!


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[Elecraft] K2 Remote Control

2009-07-23 Thread Tom Z
I want to control the K2 from an embedded processor running LINUX. So
I am looking for anything that will help me get going on using the K2
Command Set from a C program. Anyone have any suggestions on getting
started? I am not interested in a PC-based GUI to remotely control the
K2. I know they exist and are wonderful, but I can't carry a bulky
computer with me for this application.

Thanks and 73,

Tom KG3V
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[Elecraft] Heil MD2 plug pin out

2009-07-23 Thread NG3V
Hello group,

 

Does anyone out there have the factory original pin-out for the Heil MD2
microphone.  I cannot find any documentation supplied with the microphone
that actually listed the wires (by color coming from the mic head) to the
various pins on the 8-pin connector.

 

I would very much appreciate knowing which wires go where.  Of particular
interest are wire colors for audio, PTT, DC+ and their associated grounds.

 

Thanks, es 73

 

Tom

n...@comcast.net

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K144XV 2-m module design change

2009-07-23 Thread AD6XY

By using the 10m band those high power 10m users will have an issue - so I
don't see how it solves anything besides moving the problem between users.
6m and 10m tend to also go together with 2m.

Perhaps it would be better to use a different band entirely - say 32-36MHz
or 25-27 MHz and bypass the not really needed here band pass filters in the
K3 using the KRX3. However, at least with a 10m IF it will be standard and
equally as good or bad as the most common 28MHz IF choice.

One needs to also think about the images and what is there. With 50MHz we
have an LO of 94 MHz. This is not necessarily good as it is in the broadcast
band so no LO breakthrough should happen to disturb the neighbours. We also
have an image at 94 - 50 = 44 MHz. Not much there except my beacon! Now with
116MHz and 118MHz LO and 28 MHz IF we have an image at 88 MHz  90MHz - Oh
dear if you live near a FM broadcast station. Still, normal transverters
manage it.

Not forgetting that much of the world has a 70MHz band - I think a better
choice could have been made permitting that band and/or 144MHz with a single
LO at 120MHz and using the 24MHz and 50 MHz bands as IFs. Still I am no RF
designer.


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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Vic K2VCO
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 .especially those who don't care about a pure sidetone note - usually
 preferring something with a little more character - and for those who like
 to hear a real fist instead of a keyer.
 
 The sender is Denise Stoops, the first female operator at KPH transmitting
 the closing message at the recent Night of Nights activity.  
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4scmlC7tI

Wow! Incredible sending, and almost 6 minutes with only 2 (corrected) errors. I 
hereby 
promise to use my bug exclusively until I get 1/10th as good.
-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Here's another video of Denise at work from another angle. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3zwOZkYe_Qfeature=related

The wrist roll was taught to me many years ago and, for me, made all the
difference in sending with a bug, both in making decent characters and in
being able to send for a long time without tiring. 

Indeed, although I used paddles  keyer for a number of years, I never got
used to the extremely sensitive paddles because it's still more comfortable
to roll my wrist. 

That action helps with the timing, acting like a metronome to keep a stable
pace. 

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-

After watching the video, I went into the shack and opened up all the  
adjustments on my bug.  And increased the spring tension.  I have not  
been sending near aerobic enough.  Now I know what full contact CW  
looks like.  But I don't know if I could ever get used to that buzz  
note side tone.  I will not complain about my K1 note again.  At least  
not for awhile.

73

Rick Dettinger K7MW

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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Grant Youngman
With all the computers and keyboards and automatic QSO contesting  
software and automatic QSLs, we've turned CW into just another digital  
mode.  Don't need a stinkin' computer to run CW.

There should be a requirement in CW contests that a manual key be  
used, and logs be handwritten.  Otherwise why not make those contests  
yet another PSK31 or Olivia  something or other.  Anyone can type.   
Anyone, and even their mother, can read CW from decoding software and  
do automatic logging.   Let digital be digital.  And CW be MECHANICAL.

It's only reasonable :-)

Grant/NQ5T


On Jul 23, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:

 Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 .especially those who don't care about a pure sidetone note -  
 usually
 preferring something with a little more character - and for those  
 who like
 to hear a real fist instead of a keyer.

 The sender is Denise Stoops, the first female operator at KPH  
 transmitting
 the closing message at the recent Night of Nights activity.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4scmlC7tI

 Wow! Incredible sending, and almost 6 minutes with only 2  
 (corrected) errors. I hereby
 promise to use my bug exclusively until I get 1/10th as good.

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K144XV 2-m module design change

2009-07-23 Thread Paul - WW2PT

Wayne,

I saw the K144XV at HamCom in Plano last month and it looked like the 2m
antenna jack was mounted to the rear plate that is in place when the 100W PA
is not installed. Where does the K144XV antenna jack go for those who have
the KPA3?

Paul WW2PT



wayne burdick wrote:
 
 
 We're still shooting for the end of August, although the design change  
 and subsequent retesting may push this out a bit.
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Doug Person
Wow.  She's really amazing.

On your point Grant, to each, his/her own approach...  What ever makes 
you happy and most efficient.  Being a professional computer programmer, 
I see as art good code that can accurately decode the broad variety of 
fists - be they electronically computer generated or produced with a 
hand key. Just another perspective...

Doug -- K0DXV

Grant Youngman wrote:
 With all the computers and keyboards and automatic QSO contesting  
 software and automatic QSLs, we've turned CW into just another digital  
 mode.  Don't need a stinkin' computer to run CW.

 There should be a requirement in CW contests that a manual key be  
 used, and logs be handwritten.  Otherwise why not make those contests  
 yet another PSK31 or Olivia  something or other.  Anyone can type.   
 Anyone, and even their mother, can read CW from decoding software and  
 do automatic logging.   Let digital be digital.  And CW be MECHANICAL.

 It's only reasonable :-)

 Grant/NQ5T


 On Jul 23, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:

   
 Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 
 .especially those who don't care about a pure sidetone note -  
 usually
 preferring something with a little more character - and for those  
 who like
 to hear a real fist instead of a keyer.

 The sender is Denise Stoops, the first female operator at KPH  
 transmitting
 the closing message at the recent Night of Nights activity.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4scmlC7tI
   
 Wow! Incredible sending, and almost 6 minutes with only 2  
 (corrected) errors. I hereby
 promise to use my bug exclusively until I get 1/10th as good.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Tony Fegan VE3QF
How about a variable rate tuning knob with a built in push switch. I am 
thinking of the tuning system on the old (1970s) Cubic/Swan Astro 150. 
This was a variable rate spring loaded rotary control that speeds up the 
tuning rate as it is turned further clockwise or counter-clockwise from 
the detented center position. It would suit those that do not like extra 
cables and clutter on their desks.

73
Tony Fegan VE3QF

Edward Dickinson, III wrote:
 ...since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to
 QSY, how would that work using a separate display?
 
 How about touch screen?
 
 
 Best regards,
 Dick - KA5KKT

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K144XV 2-m module design change

2009-07-23 Thread Greg - AB7R
On the same panel.  The circuit breaker reset is a bit higher and the 2M BNC is 
below the reset button.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu Jul 23 14:08 , Paul - WW2PT  sent:


Wayne,

I saw the K144XV at HamCom in Plano last month and it looked like the 2m
antenna jack was mounted to the rear plate that is in place when the 100W PA
is not installed. Where does the K144XV antenna jack go for those who have
the KPA3?

Paul WW2PT



wayne burdick wrote:
 
 
 We're still shooting for the end of August, although the design change  
 and subsequent retesting may push this out a bit.
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 Power problem (more)

2009-07-23 Thread dw
Hi Tom,
You've probably done all of this, but just to run over some of it.

Have you tried putting a dead short to ground on the + pin (3) of U4?
Check the output, it should follow.
Best to confirm this with R6 out of the circuit.
The old LM234 op amps were a bi-polar technology and they would
sometimes crow-bar.
I didn't dig that far into the LM358 datasheet, but its a slight
possibility even with a new chip.

Did you check C52 to see if the residual voltage is present also there?
Check pins 5  6 of U4, verify ~.1 ohms to ground.
Pin 7 of U4 should ~ 0 volts.

Can you unplug J3 Aux-bus?
If so, check to see if the voltage is still present at R6 with it
disconnected.
If not, the residual voltage is coming from the aux bus.

Just for giggles, check pins 2  5 on J3 Aux bus, verify ground.

Have you been using the KAT2 successfully until now, or is this a
installation from a build?
If so, is there any residual flux on the PCB in the pin areas of the
circuit?

Hope those suggestions help :)

Duane
N1BBR






To the list - I have yet to solve my problem with my KAT2.  So far I
have
replaced T1 which yielded the correct 3.4v on TX on the input to U4 and
0.74v on RX.  Unfortunately U4 was not buffering that through to R6 so I
replaced U4.  I now see the 3.4v on R6 in TX BUT 2.4v in RX.  I have yet
to
find where this 2.4v is coming from.  NOTE: this is present even when R6
is
not connected to the board.  Obviously when R6 is in line, it blanks the
receiver due to the high voltage on it.

I'm already in deep correspondence with Don and Gary but if you have any
ideas please do not hesitate to drop one to me as well...

Thanks and wish us luck!

Tom W0EA
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[Elecraft] Built and installed the KDSP2 - now to figure it out :~]

2009-07-23 Thread dw
Well,
Don mentioned to me the possibility of the KDSP2 a while ago, and
lo-and-behold, the piggy bank said yes.

Elecraft, as usual, processed the order in ASAP fashion and all the way
across the good-ol U.S.-of-A it came.

Took me about 2 hours to solder it up and get it into the K2.
I'm super happy with it!!!

However, I sure do wish there was a cheat sheet somewhere on its
settings.
Does anyone have something like that just for its CW settings?

I got the date/clock running no problem.
What would be great is some kind of bulleted listing of the settings

Anything you got you could share would be totally appreciated!!

Thanks
Duane
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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Grant Youngman
I forgot to add -- each participant should be required to disconnect  
all internet (cable, fiber, dial-up) modems, and find the darn DX  
stations on their own instead of just clicking on cluster spots  
someone else found.  You have ears and a tuning knob -- use them both.

It's the equivalent of all the sports doping everyone gets otherwise  
uptight,  red-faced  and grumbles about.  Not in radio, though .. we  
worship the tech advantage.  Good computer code IS art.  Most computer  
code is structured, and called science so someone can sell big  
thick books  :-) But that isn't the point.

I'd relish an actual contest that looked more like SKN on steroids --  
without the steroids, and a Windows/Linux free zone.

(One, luddite's opine).  :-)

Grant/NQ5T


On Jul 23, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Doug Person wrote:

 Wow.  She's really amazing.

 On your point Grant, to each, his/her own approach...  What ever makes
 you happy and most efficient.  Being a professional computer  
 programmer,
 I see as art good code that can accurately decode the broad variety of
 fists - be they electronically computer generated or produced with a
 hand key. Just another perspective...

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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts... - Denice in Action

2009-07-23 Thread Phil Kane
On 7/23/2009 10:57 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

 .especially those who don't care about a pure sidetone note -
 usually preferring something with a little more character - and
 for those who like to hear a real fist instead of a keyer.

 The sender is Denise Stoops, the first female operator at KPH
 transmitting the closing message at the recent Night of Nights
 activity.

  Yes - as the comment went - it's scary to watch her work!
  DA has always had a special place of respect in my CW heart
  from the time when I was the RI at the FCC SF office.

  Sorry that I missed the N-o-N  this year.  Too bad that my arm
  and shoulder neuropathy and assorted itis-es keep me from
  doing real CW now.   Keyboarding is not quite the same.

  PS - how fast was she sending the closing message?

--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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[Elecraft] El-Cheapo signal source 7.3mhz

2009-07-23 Thread dw
I needed to make a Digi-Key order last week, so I added a little clock
osc to the order.

Digi-Key PN: X208-ND, 7.3728Mhz Clock oscillator $2.13
Dug up 3 470pF caps and a couple of 1uH chokes for a low pass on the
output.
Added small lm7085 regulator and put it into a small plastic box with 1
foot antenna wire sticking out.
Its rock solid from start-up.

I used it last night to check and reset my K2 BFO filters.

I know others really prefer the spectrogram software, and some day I
will try that but for now I'm really happy setting the K2 BFO filters
with the little signal generator.

Duane
N1BBR
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[Elecraft] Another LP PAN question

2009-07-23 Thread N1IX
I finally have things working more or less. 
What I see on the SDR screen doesn't seem to be what is going on on the band.
I suspect my in my setup the IF frequency is not correct. 
Can someone tell me the correct settings for the K3?

Dave N1IX
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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
-Original Message-
I'd relish an actual contest that looked more like SKN on steroids --  
without the steroids, and a Windows/Linux free zone.

(One, luddite's opine).  :-)

Grant/NQ5T

---

I understand your sentiments, Grant, but I'm happy to make room for all
the various aspects of Ham radio, as long as it's done with due
consideration and concern for the enjoyment of others.

I believe that enjoying Ham radio, like any aspect of life, means investing
a significant amount of our energy in helping the *other* guy have fun too.

What saddens me about CW today is that so much of it is machine perfect.
Listening across the bands it's like listening to a whole bunch of identical
computer-generated speech. No accents. No inflections. No dialects. Very
sterile to my ears. 

At the same time, behind those sterile-sounding perfect sigs are a lot of
great Hams I enjoy chewing the rag with. I'd be much much sadder if they
weren't on the air so I do my best to send very clean code they can easily
copy. 

Let the good times roll on :-)

Ron AC7AC



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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

2009-07-23 Thread Brett Howard
I'd like to have it for field day and sometimes having that sitting there is
easier to find CQers than constantly actively scanning...  Helps ya keep the
fire going if you don't have to be scanning all the time...  The scan
feature works a trick but a panadapter would be nicer.  Also a panadapter
can turn out to be a nice poor man's SpecAn in a pinch.

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave - AB7E
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:58 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN


And you need a panadapter for that?

Dave   AB7E



--Original Mail--
From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com


I want my radio to perform like a radio so that I can
take it to the top of a hill and make it work sans computer.  I've
already had a blast taking it up to a few mountain tops and making a
few RTTY contacts sans computer.  Come on thats fun!


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[Elecraft] [K2] how can I turn off Fast Play?

2009-07-23 Thread Ron Greene
K2 issue:

I was programming PF2 to set INP to Hand, which works fine BUT somehow 
the Fast Play got turned on.

I have read through the manual several times and I can't figure out how 
to turn Fast Play off so in the mean time I've lost the primary switch 
funtions that Fast Play takes over.

How the heck do I turn it off?

Ron
W6UDX
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Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click

2009-07-23 Thread Dick Williams
Vic,

Your point is well taken; but in the end what percentage of  amatuers that 
own a K3 do not have it hooked up to a computer and a logging program; and I 
bet that most amateurs leave their computer on 24/7 and connected to a DX 
Cluster.

Like Dave (AB7E) who posted a comment,  I am also part of the aforementioned 
group, my computer is on all the time;  thus PowerSDR and LP Bridge are also 
on all the time.  When I turn on the K3, LP-Pan (which is powered by the Aux 
12V out on the K3) turns on, and bingo,  signals appear on the PowerSDR 
screen.If for some reason (like going on vacation) I turn off my 
computer,  when I turn it back on, I just start LP Bridge and that auto 
starts both DXBase and PowerSDR.   Basically one click and one button push 
on the K3 and I am in business.

Actually, I have to admit that it is slightly more complicated than that; 
after I turn on the K3, I have to push the on/off switch on the Green Heron 
Eng rotor box to on.   The Green Heron is plugged into a AC switch that all 
the other assorted and sundry accessories are plugged into, and turning it 
on, powers up the rest of the station.

So, I guess that I have not figured out what all the other issues might be 
in having a panadapter run by your computer??Actually I spend more time 
in the summer connecting and disconnecting the coax and rotor cables because 
of the thundrestorms than I do turning on the K3 and Green Heron Rotor 
box.

In any case, I am sure that your wish for a stand alone unit will come true. 
The only question is what features and at what cost will the Elecraft unit 
have.  One thing I am sure of is the display will not be of the 17 to 22 
variity.

One other interesting point that should be brought upis that CW Skimmer 
works very well with LP-Bridge..  Though I have not installed it yet,  I 
have been told that CW Skimmer is  the cats meow to the CW contester or 
DXer; and to them, it  is what Viagra is to the old timers!It works 
great and allows them to do things they had never done before!

Dick K8ZTT


- Original Message - 
From: Vic K2VCO v...@rakefet.com
To: Dick Williams k8...@mho.com; Elecraft Reflector 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click


 Dick Williams wrote:

 Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own 
 a computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the 
 hobby were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can 
 afford a K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a 
 limb and say you can afford to purchase a computer.

 You don't have to be a computer geek to install and configure LP-Pan, 
 LP-Bridge, and Power SDR.

 I have (several) computers and I am a 'computer geek'. But I still want a 
 standalone unit.

 I want it to come on when the radio does and I don't want to mess around 
 with all of the issues surrounding a computer just to use it.
 -- 
 73,
 Vic, K2VCO
 Fresno CA
 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco 

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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts

2009-07-23 Thread Bill Miner
 
Ron AC7AC wrote:
What saddens me about CW today is that so much of it is machine perfect.
Listening across the bands it's like listening to a whole bunch of identical
computer-generated speech. No accents. No inflections. No dialects. Very
sterile to my ears
 
Ron have you checked out the SKCC  Straight Key Century Club  www.skccgroup.com 
?
 
They have a monthly event just like the ARRL straight key night as well as 
sprints and other operating events.  The general rule is that CW must be sent 
by mechanical means such as a bug or straight key.  
 
When you hear me on you can sure tell it is NOT computer generated CW! :-)
 
73,
Bill - K6WLM
KX1
K2
K3/100
 


  
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[Elecraft] 500 5p is sold thanks

2009-07-23 Thread Karl MARDERIAN


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[Elecraft] Panadaptor wish list

2009-07-23 Thread Fred Atchley
Here is my panadaptor wish list: First, I've got all cables connected in
back of the K3 so hopefully there will be no cables running out the front.
Second, sufficient real-time bandwidth and screen width that makes it easy
to spot actual ham activity. In the past I've owned the Jupiter, Orion and
OMNI VII rigs which had toy frequency band displays. They stuck out! I'm
anxiously awaiting another Elecraft home run. 73, Fred

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] how can I turn off Fast Play?

2009-07-23 Thread Ron Greene
Never mind, I finally figured it out.

Ron
W6UDX

Ron Greene wrote:
 K2 issue:

 I was programming PF2 to set INP to Hand, which works fine BUT somehow 
 the Fast Play got turned on.

 I have read through the manual several times and I can't figure out how 
 to turn Fast Play off so in the mean time I've lost the primary switch 
 funtions that Fast Play takes over.

 How the heck do I turn it off?

 Ron
 W6UDX
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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts...

2009-07-23 Thread Fred Jensen
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

 The sender is Denise Stoops, the first female operator at KPH transmitting
 the closing message at the recent Night of Nights activity.

I managed to get a 6MHz KPH QLB into K6KPH this last NoN on my K3, I 
think on 40m ... they're about 120 mi from me.  I think I surprised 
them, it took a bit to answer, and after I was finished, a whole bunch 
showed up which probably kept them busy.  Chris, K6DBG who was there 
told me later he saw me in their log.  I'm not sure but from the fist 
that answered me, I think it might have been Dick Dillman.

A great deal of marine traffic was handled using MCW rather than CW, and 
I sort of liked to keep the BFO on and offset the beat note from the MCW 
frequency a bit.  Seemed to give a much richer, more easily copied signal.

All of the guys on my crew were middle aged, I was 16.  They had shiny 
Vibroplexes in satin-lined wood cases.  I had a WW2 surplus J-36 built 
by Lionel that looked like it had gone ashore at Iwo Jima.  I got it for 
5 bucks at Sam's Surplus in Los Angeles, it was all I could afford, and 
I took some grief over it.  However, I could slow it down with just the 
weight whereas they had to add extra weight ... Vibroplexes were/are 
notoriously hard to slow down.

Contrary to what you may think and from the speed DA is sending in Ron's 
YouTube clip, most traffic was handled much slower at perhaps 15 WPM or 
less [accuracy before speed], and some ... OK a lot ... of the fists 
were pretty awful.  DA is a huge exception.  So were the signals afloat 
-- drift, huge chirp, massive hum, all at a time [1956-7] when the ham 
bands were remarkably clean and stable.  We should all take pride in 
that.  They may call us Amateurs, but the label doesn't always apply.

16, a ham for 3 years, working ships at sea on the Holy Frequency with 
5KW and huge antennas ... how much better could it get? :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2009 Cal QSO Party  3-4 Oct 2009
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] For All CW Enthusiasts... - Denice in Action

2009-07-23 Thread Mike Morrow
Phil asked:

 PS - how fast was she sending the closing message?

She was sending at a very consistent rate of just over 100 characters
per minute...or a tad more than 20 wpm.

Very impressive skill with a bug!

Boy I miss the maritime Morse bands, especially that magic MF band
of 410 to 518 kcs.

Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] El-Cheapo signal source 7.3mhz

2009-07-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Duane,

I am not certain how you are setting the BFOs using a single frequency 
signal.

Usually, having a single frequency source just confuses things because 
the filter center is difficult to discern with a single frequency source 
- you must plot the response of the filter bit by bit to create a plot 
of the filter passband shape.  This is what a Spectrum Analyzer with a 
tracking generator will do automatically.

It is much easier to use a source of broadband noise (like the Elecraft 
NG-1) and view the passband position using Spectrogram.  The FFT based 
Spectrogram display will show you not only the passband position, but 
also the shape of the passband.  When the passband is centered at your 
favorite CW pitch, it is correct.  Once you have tried it, you will 
never go back to plotting a point-by-point spectrum of the filter 
response.  The only drawback to Spectrogram for general filter analysis 
is that the filter response must be converted to the audio range, but 
the K2 (or other receiver) has a detector than does exactly that task, 
so no additional equipment is needed other than the noise generator and 
a connection to the computer soundcard.

73,
Don W3FPR

dw wrote:
 I needed to make a Digi-Key order last week, so I added a little clock
 osc to the order.

 Digi-Key PN: X208-ND, 7.3728Mhz Clock oscillator $2.13
 Dug up 3 470pF caps and a couple of 1uH chokes for a low pass on the
 output.
 Added small lm7085 regulator and put it into a small plastic box with 1
 foot antenna wire sticking out.
 Its rock solid from start-up.

 I used it last night to check and reset my K2 BFO filters.

 I know others really prefer the spectrogram software, and some day I
 will try that but for now I'm really happy setting the K2 BFO filters
 with the little signal generator.

 Duane
 N1BBR
   
   
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[Elecraft] WD6DBM Builds for the Cycle

2009-07-23 Thread eric norris
I bought my first Elecraft kit, a KX1, at Pacificon last October.  I was 
frankly astonished by that little radio.  It was a total joy to build (and 
operate), a feeling I had not had since the Heathkit days.  Madness soon 
followed, along with the biggest selloff of ham gear (and other gear) since my 
college days when I struggled to pay the rent.  I built a nearly fully optioned 
K3 along with an XV-144.  That wasn't nearly enough fun so I built a 
fully-optioned QRP K2, interspersed with pile of mini-module kits.  

Tonight I finished my fully-optioned K1 

The K1 was built while in the throes of gallbladder attacks and while 
recovering from gallbladder surgery on Vicodin, a testament as to how easy it 
is to build and align.  Why, it even works.
  
I did take a short break while actually in surgery.
  
Thank you, Elecraft!

Eric WD6DBM

K1 2755
KX1 2112
K2 6689
K3 2545
XV-144 
XG2, NGEN, BL2, DL1, W1, AF1, AT1.
Sent from my iPhone while blasted on Vicodin 

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