Re: [Elecraft] DX spot split
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:24 AM, telegrap...@att.net wrote: Egads. All the riga-marole! Turn on the sub and put it on his transmit freq. Tune the A which will be your transmit to where the other guys are hollering at him. I use a headset and track the calling mob with the A ear and listen to when he's transmitting with the B ear. Why worry about split and the other junk. Hah! One reason to use split is that you can tap Sub (to turn it off) and get the DX in both ears, if he's not very strong. I still wish there was a way to get the sub in both ears (quickly). ~Iain / N6ML __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] DX spot split
Egads. All the riga-marole! Turn on the sub and put it on his transmit freq. Tune the A which will be your transmit to where the other guys are hollering at him. I use a headset and track the calling mob with the A ear and listen to when he's transmitting with the B ear. Why worry about split and the other junk. Three reasons: 1. In Europe, almost every DXpedition station is being deliberately jammed, so the DX is much harder to hear than the pileup. In order to copy the DX station well, we need the main RX with all of its front-panel controls. The sub-RX is plenty good enough for prowling the pileup. 2. When the DX station does come back, the RX on the pileup is no longer needed. Like Iain N6ML, I often tap SUB to get the DX in both ears with the extra 3dB SNR. You can't do that when operating split the other way around. 3. Logging/control software assumes that we'll be operating split in the way the transceiver manufacturer intended. Anyone trying to fight that could easily wind up calling on the DX frequency. By the way, we're still patiently waiting for the quick split option on the K3. To join a pileup with the K3 requires at least 4-5 carefully timed and sequenced operations. Competing rigs can get there with one touch. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Clean 600hz signal, full dsp decoupling possible?
Hi Geoff, Thanks for your reaction. I am very curious whether the modern DSP technology can discriminate signal from noice (in CW) better than the human ear and I dont know if it would be boring to just hear a clean tone whilst the signal is at a minimum level. I think it will be an amazing thing to experience as you do expect having to put in a lot of effort to hear the signal through a lot of noise. The second step is if the DSP of the K3 is able to include such a setting or external 'tracking filter' is necessary. Best, Dick ... . . .._ Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote: Hello Dick, I am not a DSP expert either, but a tracking filter keying an audio oscillator will do exactly what you want. In its simplest form a tracking filter is a phase locked loop, and ICs which can be used at audio for this purpose have been available since the 1960s and are inexpensive. Also a tracking filter working at audio can be connected to a receiver's low level audio output if one is not already in the receiver. I believe that the DSP wizards have already designed something that does the same job. Tracking filters are very useful when searching for signals below the receiver's noise floor, at VHF for example, but listening to a keyed audio oscillator without noise can be quite boring. 73, Geoff GM4ESD - Original Message - From: PA3CW pa...@planet.nl To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Clean 600hz signal, full dsp decoupling possible? Hello forum friends, Not being an expert in the world of DSP, but being an experienced CW operator i often asked myself this question: Why is there no full decoupling between the received signal and the tone in the headset or speaker? In other words is it possible that the dsp discrimiates enough between signal and noise and steers a clean LF oscillator making a clean 600hz or so tone? Is such a setting possible or do i overlook something here? Just a little out of the box thinking... Dick PA3CW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Clean-600hz-signal-full-dsp-decoupling-possible-tp3841926p3843529.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Clean 600hz signal, full dsp decoupling possible?
Hello Dick! An SDR program called Winrad is capable of exactly what you thought. It is a function called despread aimed for weak-signal copying (EME and such) http://www.sdrham.com/winrad/index.html It's freeware working with several SDR receivers but you can also feed K3 audio into it. There's a good audio example of re-synthesized CW on this page. 73' Paul PD0PSB PA3CW wrote: Hi Geoff, Thanks for your reaction. I am very curious whether the modern DSP technology can discriminate signal from noice (in CW) better than the human ear and I dont know if it would be boring to just hear a clean tone whilst the signal is at a minimum level. I think it will be an amazing thing to experience as you do expect having to put in a lot of effort to hear the signal through a lot of noise. The second step is if the DSP of the K3 is able to include such a setting or external 'tracking filter' is necessary. Best, Dick ... . . .._ Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote: Hello Dick, I am not a DSP expert either, but a tracking filter keying an audio oscillator will do exactly what you want. In its simplest form a tracking filter is a phase locked loop, and ICs which can be used at audio for this purpose have been available since the 1960s and are inexpensive. Also a tracking filter working at audio can be connected to a receiver's low level audio output if one is not already in the receiver. I believe that the DSP wizards have already designed something that does the same job. Tracking filters are very useful when searching for signals below the receiver's noise floor, at VHF for example, but listening to a keyed audio oscillator without noise can be quite boring. 73, Geoff GM4ESD - Original Message - From: PA3CW pa...@planet.nl To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Clean 600hz signal, full dsp decoupling possible? Hello forum friends, Not being an expert in the world of DSP, but being an experienced CW operator i often asked myself this question: Why is there no full decoupling between the received signal and the tone in the headset or speaker? In other words is it possible that the dsp discrimiates enough between signal and noise and steers a clean LF oscillator making a clean 600hz or so tone? Is such a setting possible or do i overlook something here? Just a little out of the box thinking... Dick PA3CW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Clean-600hz-signal-full-dsp-decoupling-possible-tp3841926p3843746.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - KRX3 question
I have been chasing Midway Isl (K4M) and using my sub-RX to follow the pack. When K4M was not real loud I would turn the Sub off to get the audio in both ears then back on. After doing that several times (perhaps 10 - 15) the Sub-RX turns on (according to the front panel icon) but there is no audio. The only way I can get the audio back is to turn the K3 off and on. Then it is fine for another 'unknown' number of Sub off/on transitions. This has occurred with several versions of the u-code. I am running the 3.44. Has anyone else experienced this? 73, Bruce-N1LN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KRX3 question
I do have the smae thing haping Bruce running version 3.27 also happend with older version, although more often wtih the older versions 73 de Dick PA3FQA - Original Message - From: Bruce Meier beme...@bellsouth.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - KRX3 question I have been chasing Midway Isl (K4M) and using my sub-RX to follow the pack. When K4M was not real loud I would turn the Sub off to get the audio in both ears then back on. After doing that several times (perhaps 10 - 15) the Sub-RX turns on (according to the front panel icon) but there is no audio. The only way I can get the audio back is to turn the K3 off and on. Then it is fine for another 'unknown' number of Sub off/on transitions. This has occurred with several versions of the u-code. I am running the 3.44. Has anyone else experienced this? 73, Bruce-N1LN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] UK SSB 80m Elecraft net
Hi all,Todays net was well attended and most enjoyable with excellent conditions, at least in the UK. If anyone called in from mainland Europe I apologise but nothing was heard. Stations were :- G4AON M1PAF M0CHK G4DQP G7BQM M3WCK M0GBK GM3SEK GM0ELP G0VGS Topics included the forthcoming Active Audio LPF board, using LP-PAN and the differences in software, USB/Serial adapters, the Barra (EU-10) dxpedition by Workington Radio Club (M1PAF) and the various firmware releases. I was using RUMlog by DL2RUM for the first time in net control mode (MacOS) and found it superb. Thanks to you Tom for adding the net control feature, it works extremely well :) I look forward to hearing more of you next week. 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC HB9DRV-9 DX Clusters Member RSGB, GQRP 9838, FISTS 14077 | K3 #455 http://www.amateurradiotraining.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Clean 600hz signal, full dsp decoupling possible?
PA3CW wrote: speaker? In other words is it possible that the dsp discrimiates enough between signal and noise and steers a clean LF oscillator making a clean 600hz or so tone? Is such a setting possible or do i overlook something here? Just a little out of the box thinking... This is easy to do for a fade-free, low noise signal, but you wouldn't need it for that. For a real world weak signal, or even quite a strong one, subject to fading, you would either have to accept highly variable mark lengths, including missing and false positives, or you would need to delay the output by several characters, to allow the decoder to get an optimum solution based on sufficient lookahead. It's almost certain that a trained ear will be able to compensate for noise and fade much better than any current digital slicing logic. Even then, I suspect the trained ear does rely on lookahead. This is why morse decoding software is still easily beaten by a human ear. It would be easier to do for synchronous CW, with all units the same length, and machine sent code may approximate this, as the transition points would be predictable, Even then, without lookahead, weak signals would risk having dah changed into di di and v.v. and etc. -- David Woolley we do not overly restrict the subject matter on the list, and we encourage postings on a wide range of amateur radio related topics List Guidelines http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Split operation
I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution. If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver. Van W4GIW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KRX3 question
Bruce Meier wrote: I have been chasing Midway Isl (K4M) and using my sub-RX to follow the pack. When K4M was not real loud I would turn the Sub off to get the audio in both ears then back on. After doing that several times (perhaps 10 - 15) the Sub-RX turns on (according to the front panel icon) but there is no audio. The only way I can get the audio back is to turn the K3 off and on. Then it is fine for another 'unknown' number of Sub off/on transitions. This has occurred with several versions of the u-code. I am running the 3.44. Has anyone else experienced this? Yes - same problem, same firmware, same station. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KRX3 question
Just tried it for about at least 50 times in a row, always get the sub-receiver audio without a problem. I'm also using. 3.44. 73 de Roland, DC1RS - K3/100 #1243, KFL3A-2.8K, KFL3A-2.1K, KFL3A-400, KRX3, KFL3A-2.8K, KFL3A-400, KAT3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-KRX3-question-tp3843747p3844124.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware
My K3 #3408 was shipped with v. 3.27. I don't know if it is a release version or beta. I can't find it on the site anywhere. When I tried to load v. 3.30 my rig locked up. They claim I have a bad KIO3 board and sent me another about a week ago so it's about half way here. It took 14 days for my K3 to get here. Six days of that time it sat in Canadian Customs then Canada Post had it for another six days. This makes the US Postal Service look pretty good! -Robby VY2SS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem
Just checked 12M. Don't see the problem here on either rig. N2TK, Tony #311 #1435 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry Simpson Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 7:19 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem I uploaded the latest beta release and found that there is a loud noise (like electric motor interference) when tuning at the SSB end of 12m. The noise stops when you stop tuning. I hadn't noticed the problem before so I regressed to the previous beta version but the noise is still there. Has anyone else found this problem ? I think I will check the situation with earlier versions. 73 Barry Simpson VK2BJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem
Barry I confirm : same behavior here without antenna connected, around 25.MHz. The noise while tuning is about S3 and stops as soon as you stop tuning. It is more pronounced if you turn the dial rapidly. However, I think I am not sure it is new ; I have seen something like that during first tests on 10m. 73, Laurent I uploaded the latest beta release and found that there is a loud noise (like electric motor interference) when tuning at the SSB end of 12m. The noise stops when you stop tuning. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-12m-problem-tp3842534p3844264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KRX3 question
Same hear. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:14:56 -0700 (PDT), DC1RS wrote: Just tried it for about at least 50 times in a row, always get the sub-receiver audio without a problem. I'm also using. 3.44. 73 de Roland, DC1RS - K3/100 #1243, KFL3A-2.8K, KFL3A-2.1K, KFL3A-400, KRX3, KFL3A-2.8K, KFL3A-400, KAT3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KRX3 question
Hi Bruce: I have been using the same procedure as you on CW with the last bunch of DXpeditions and I haven't had the exact problem you described. But I have noticed that sometimes it takes a second for the SUB to come alive. I get a squeaky sound in the right ear as if the SUB is squeezing out the signals. 73, Mike K2MK Bruce Meier Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:24:02 -0700 I have been chasing Midway Isl (K4M) and using my sub-RX to follow the pack. When K4M was not real loud I would turn the Sub off to get the audio in both ears then back on. After doing that several times (perhaps 10 - 15) the Sub-RX turns on (according to the front panel icon) but there is no audio. The only way I can get the audio back is to turn the K3 off and on. Then it is fine for another 'unknown' number of Sub off/on transitions. This has occurred with several versions of the u-code. I am running the 3.44. Has anyone else experienced this? 73, Bruce-N1LN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] DX spot split
G'day, 3. Logging/control software assumes that we'll be operating split in the way the transceiver manufacturer intended. Anyone trying to fight that could easily wind up calling on the DX frequency. Logger32...? Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
I'd vote for that. Mike NF4L van fair wrote: I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution. If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver. Van W4GIW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware
#3539 came with 3.30. AFAICT, it was flawless, but then I don't yet know most of what the K3 can do. I'm sure having fun exploring! Mike NF4L robby robertson wrote: My K3 #3408 was shipped with v. 3.27. I don't know if it is a release version or beta. I can't find it on the site anywhere. When I tried to load v. 3.30 my rig locked up. They claim I have a bad KIO3 board and sent me another about a week ago so it's about half way here. It took 14 days for my K3 to get here. Six days of that time it sat in Canadian Customs then Canada Post had it for another six days. This makes the US Postal Service look pretty good! -Robby VY2SS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem
No such problem here either. # 586 FW 3.34 Richard - HB9ANM N2TK wrote: Just checked 12M. Don't see the problem here on either rig. N2TK, Tony #311 #1435 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry Simpson Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 7:19 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem I uploaded the latest beta release and found that there is a loud noise (like electric motor interference) when tuning at the SSB end of 12m. The noise stops when you stop tuning. I hadn't noticed the problem before so I regressed to the previous beta version but the noise is still there. Has anyone else found this problem ? I think I will check the situation with earlier versions. 73 Barry Simpson VK2BJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-12m-problem-tp3842534p3844501.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem
Hi Barry, From your description, it sounds like you're hearing VFO tuning noise. The original complaints mentioned 6m, 10m, and 60m, but not 12m so I don't know if it's the same problem or not. Elecraft published a mod. note describing a combination hardware/ firmware fix for this at http://www.elecraft.com/K3/mods/K3_vfo_noise_mod_Rev_C.pdf In my case, I had the noise at the bottom end of 10m. Initially, the hardware/firmware mod didn't seem to help much, but after going back in and tightening up all the screws and rearranging some TMP cables, the noise went away completely. 73 -- Joe KB8AP On Oct 17, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Barry Simpson wrote: I uploaded the latest beta release and found that there is a loud noise (like electric motor interference) when tuning at the SSB end of 12m. The noise stops when you stop tuning. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem
Correction: my FW release is 3.44 not 3.34 Richard Squire wrote: No such problem here either. # 586 FW 3.34 Richard - HB9ANM N2TK wrote: Just checked 12M. Don't see the problem here on either rig. N2TK, Tony #311 #1435 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry Simpson Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 7:19 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem I uploaded the latest beta release and found that there is a loud noise (like electric motor interference) when tuning at the SSB end of 12m. The noise stops when you stop tuning. I hadn't noticed the problem before so I regressed to the previous beta version but the noise is still there. Has anyone else found this problem ? I think I will check the situation with earlier versions. 73 Barry Simpson VK2BJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-12m-problem-tp3842534p3844512.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem
Hi, I can confirm same situacion here.. 73, E72X --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Laurent F6DEX f6...@yahoo.fr wrote: From: Laurent F6DEX f6...@yahoo.fr Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 4:00 PM Barry I confirm : same behavior here without antenna connected, around 25.MHz. The noise while tuning is about S3 and stops as soon as you stop tuning. It is more pronounced if you turn the dial rapidly. However, I think I am not sure it is new ; I have seen something like that during first tests on 10m. 73, Laurent I uploaded the latest beta release and found that there is a loud noise (like electric motor interference) when tuning at the SSB end of 12m. The noise stops when you stop tuning. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-12m-problem-tp3842534p3844264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem
I have mod already correct installed.. 73, --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org wrote: From: Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem To: Barry Simpson vk...@optusnet.com.au Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 5:19 PM Hi Barry, From your description, it sounds like you're hearing VFO tuning noise. The original complaints mentioned 6m, 10m, and 60m, but not 12m so I don't know if it's the same problem or not. Elecraft published a mod. note describing a combination hardware/ firmware fix for this at http://www.elecraft.com/K3/mods/K3_vfo_noise_mod_Rev_C.pdf In my case, I had the noise at the bottom end of 10m. Initially, the hardware/firmware mod didn't seem to help much, but after going back in and tightening up all the screws and rearranging some TMP cables, the noise went away completely. 73 -- Joe KB8AP On Oct 17, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Barry Simpson wrote: I uploaded the latest beta release and found that there is a loud noise (like electric motor interference) when tuning at the SSB end of 12m. The noise stops when you stop tuning. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem
Barry, it sounds like you need to install the K3VFOFILTERKIT, see here: http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3 Parts I had a lot of tuning noise on several bands. All my screws are nice and snug and my TMP cables run as per Elecraft's recommendations. Post-modification, I still get some tuning noise but on most bands (except 6m and the CW end of 10m) it's below the band's noise level. Take a look at the instructions, dig out two 470 ohm resistors and two diodes and save yourself $10. It's an easy mod to apply, but don't forget the firmware change, quote: 1. Download and install firmware revision 3.24 or later. Refer to the K3 software page for instructions. 2. IMPORTANT: Locate the CONFIG:VCO MD menu entry, and tap the 1 keypad switch until you see SPI 2; this selects the new bus clock rate. (The default setting is SPI 1.) I'm still waiting for Elecraft's suggestions to improve the hash level, but must admit, I haven't checked 12m YET because of antenna restrictions. 73 DaveL G3TJP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 12m problem
Hello Yes, it is not new but not very annoying since it is below the noise floor and only while you move the dial rapidly. I have also this behavior on some parts of 10m. I will do the mod the next time I add a module to the K3. 73, Laurent -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-12m-problem-tp3842534p3844632.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 FM Filter for K144XV
I am waiting like many others for my K144XV. I wonder if I need to order a FM filter for use with the K144XV. Jim Hester K5HTK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 FM Filter for K144XV
In a recent message, Jim Hester jimhes...@hester.ws wrote ... I am waiting like many others for my K144XV. I wonder if I need to order a FM filter for use with the K144XV. That all depends on whether you want to work on FM (CB!) or on the grown-ups modes of CW and/or ssb. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware
took 14 days for my K3 to get here. Six days of that time it sat in Canadian Customs then Canada Post had it for another six days. This makes the US Postal Service look pretty good! -Robby VY2SS Do they charge for storage?(-: 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] grown up modes ?
if it ain't CW it is just CB ;-0) . . note the absence of SSB mode . . . . no difference between FM and SSB it is all Phone (OT expression). W9VNE (58th year of pounding brass) K2 + K3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Firmware 3.44
I installed the latest 3.44 firmware and the associated DSP firmware yesterday. The install went without a problem although I am always a bit anxious at the completion bars slowly march across the screen! I've noticed with the NR engaged and the BW control being adjusted that the audio blanks as each step occurs (a popping sound). I don't remember that being there with my previous version 3.3. The blanking does not occur with the NR off. It just smoothly changes the bandwidth. Does anyone else notice this condition? Is it a function of the changes made to eliminate the audio screech? So far everything else seems to be functioning OK. 73 Elliott WA6TLA K3 S/N 3381 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Split operation - Default for Mode B=A
I agree 100% with Van. Chasing K4M around on different modes it would have been nice to have A and B in the same mode without the B=A tap. I forgot every time and had to fumble around and then setup the correct split AGAIN. This is not what you want to be fooling with when you're racing to get a jump ball in a pileup. Having A and B in different modes must be very rare and certainly not the norm. I would like to see the default for B mode to always equal A and have an option to make them separate for rare situations where cross mode is needed. Unless of course there is a better argument for keeping it the way it is? Ralph K1ZZI Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:13:06 -0400 From: van fair g...@bellsouth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 876a7ac9c8634e5d89776409ac209...@vanf1970e3cf72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution. If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver. Van W4GIW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] SALE K6XX Tuning Indicator Kit for the KX1 (only)
Hello all, Have the subject kit that was never built. http://www.n3epa.org/Pages/K6XX/K6XXCWIndicatorKit.htmhttp://www.n3epa.org/Pages/K6XX/K6XXCWIndicatorKit.htm $12.00 each + 1.00 shipping. Money order or check please. Thanks, Ken, W2GIW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
Eric and I will discuss this on Monday. Sounds like a good idea. 73, Wayne http://www.elecraft.com On Oct 18, 2009, at 4:13 AM, van fair g...@bellsouth.net wrote: I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned I gave it a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best result at F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a pop sound at the speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big deal for me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the other functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test and let them know what is wrong,73 AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] grown up modes ?
So - as long as I don't use CW I'll presumably remain young. Yippee! And anyway CW makes me panic. ;-) 73 to all Geoff G3UCK - Original Message - From: Jim Danehy jdan...@cinci.rr.com To: jimhes...@hester.ws; elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [Elecraft] grown up modes ? if it ain't CW it is just CB ;-0) . . note the absence of SSB mode . . . . no difference between FM and SSB it is all Phone (OT expression). W9VNE (58th year of pounding brass) K2 + K3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
Thanks HectorGlad it isn't just me being too picky!!! I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho who hasn't upgraded can check that out. 73 Elliott WA6TLA - Original Message - From: Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned I gave it a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best result at F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a pop sound at the speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big deal for me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the other functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test and let them know what is wrong,73 AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
G'day, Don't you get the feeling that a six month hold on new frills is in order. Polish up what's already there. It's all getting a bit manic. I certainly don't need a radio that tries to out guess me. Damned if I would want to fly in something that reconfigured itself without direct command from the pilot. Regards, Mike VP8NO - Original Message - From: Elliott Lawrence wa6...@roadrunner.com To: Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com Cc: Elecraft List Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH Thanks HectorGlad it isn't just me being too picky!!! I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho who hasn't upgraded can check that out. 73 Elliott WA6TLA - Original Message - From: Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned I gave it a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best result at F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a pop sound at the speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big deal for me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the other functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test and let them know what is wrong,73 AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
I tried looking hard for this in both SSB and CW. The only pop I hear is when width moves to a new filter. Is there some other mode that this shows up in? (Listening in earphones, with AFX off.) 73 de Brian/K3KO Elliott Lawrence wrote: Thanks HectorGlad it isn't just me being too picky!!! I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho who hasn't upgraded can check that out. 73 Elliott WA6TLA - Original Message - From: Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned I gave it a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best result at F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a pop sound at the speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big deal for me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the other functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test and let them know what is wrong,73 AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2443 - Release Date: 10/17/09 13:08:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2443 - Release Date: 10/17/09 13:08:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
Retraction. It is evident in the F1-1 through F1-4 modes. Don't hear it in the F4 modes. 73 de Brian/K3KO Brian Alsop wrote: I tried looking hard for this in both SSB and CW. The only pop I hear is when width moves to a new filter. Is there some other mode that this shows up in? (Listening in earphones, with AFX off.) 73 de Brian/K3KO Elliott Lawrence wrote: Thanks HectorGlad it isn't just me being too picky!!! I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho who hasn't upgraded can check that out. 73 Elliott WA6TLA - Original Message - From: Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned I gave it a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best result at F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a pop sound at the speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big deal for me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the other functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test and let them know what is wrong,73 AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2443 - Release Date: 10/17/09 13:08:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2443 - Release Date: 10/17/09 13:08:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2443 - Release Date: 10/17/09 13:08:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
I don't think I'd agree that the work that's been done is frills. A real problem (my opinion, of course) is just this -- someone gripes about something. An audio tick, a nit, a nit on a nit. And Elecraft solves the problem. (Get Yaecomwoodtec to do that!) I think the real issue has to do with everyone being a designer, a technical expert (or maybe just a generic expert) an evaluator, an auditor. Lyle and Wayne can't do one thing good without someone finding yet another absurd niggle to complain about. I get the very real sense that a lot of K3 owners spend all of their time hunting down things they can request changes in, things that don't fit THEIR style, things that upset their delicate sensibilities (or delicate hearing) about what a radio SHOULD be ... It never ends that someone is posting unhappyness that some button that doesn't do what THEY think it should do, or gets irritated because they might have to push it twice, or can't keep their fat fingers off the RIT knob, or ... something . I know it won't end, but it gets mighty tiring just reading this list some times. Not to mention the multitude of tirades about problems that end up being simple failures to RTFM or just RTF-release notes. Of course, whatever it is, Elecraft will provide a fix -- even if the new menu item just becomes a permanent memorial to the one person unhappy with something :-) Grant/NQ5T #2091 with every conceivable option. On Oct 18, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Mike Harris wrote: G'day, Don't you get the feeling that a six month hold on new frills is in order. Polish up what's already there. It's all getting a bit manic. I certainly don't need a radio that tries to out guess me. Damned if I would want to fly in something that reconfigured itself without direct command from the pilot. Regards, Mike VP8NO - Original Message - From: Elliott Lawrence wa6...@roadrunner.com To: Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com Cc: Elecraft List Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH Thanks HectorGlad it isn't just me being too picky!!! I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho who hasn't upgraded can check that out. 73 Elliott WA6TLA - Original Message - From: Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned I gave it a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best result at F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a pop sound at the speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big deal for me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the other functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test and let them know what is wrong,73 AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution. If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver. Van W4GIW I don't agree. Only making the mode the same between the VFOs is a poor UI. What about the frequency? What if VFO-B is up in the SSB sub-band when you have VFO-A in the CW sub-band? Now, you have another K3 operation to get it where you want it. AB is the perfect feature in this application. If the menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (AB) when it invoked SPLIT, that might make sense. In the vast majority of times I go into SPLIT, I want to tap AB first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up. I find it helpful for the VFO-B frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I start tuning the pileup. Ed - W0YK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
I'm puzzled. If the new frills bother or confuse you, why don't you simply settle back to whichever firmware version you are comfortable with and ignore the new ones? The net effect is pretty much the same for you without sacrificing the changes and upgrades other users are still anxiously awaiting. 73, Dave AB7E Mike Harris wrote: G'day, Don't you get the feeling that a six month hold on new frills is in order. Polish up what's already there. It's all getting a bit manic. I certainly don't need a radio that tries to out guess me. Damned if I would want to fly in something that reconfigured itself without direct command from the pilot. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
When an operation advertises its operating frequencies in advance, as K4M has, it's simple to set up band memories in advance that include mode, SUB on and selected for TX split up. Chance favors those who are prepared. 73 - Steve WB6RSE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
Ed, I agree with you on this. The way you describe it, That's the way I always do it (and done that for years with my MP), It would be nice if, after pressing split, the vfo's would be on the same freq and in same mode. This would be a nice short cut. The purist might add that the CW split would have to be 1 up and the ssb split 5 up. But that would me too much for me. Let me do that by hand. 73 Arie PA3A . AB is the perfect feature in this application. If the menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (AB) when it invoked SPLIT, that might make sense. In the vast majority of times I go into SPLIT, I want to tap AB first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up. I find it helpful for the VFO-B frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I start tuning the pileup. Ed - W0YK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
Quickly double tap A-B. 73, Eric _..._ -Original Message- From: Arie Kleingeld PA3A p...@xs4all.nl Date: Sunday, Oct 18, 2009 2:15 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Ed, I agree with you on this. The way you describe it, That's the way I always do it (and done that for years with my MP), It would be nice if, after pressing split, the vfo's would be on the same freq and in same mode. This would be a nice short cut. The purist might add that the CW split would have to be 1 up and the ssb split 5 up. But that would me too much for me. Let me do that by hand. 73 Arie PA3A AB is the perfect feature in this application. If the menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (AB) when it invoked SPLIT, that might make sense. In the vast majority of times I go into SPLIT, I want to tap AB first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up. I find it helpful for the VFO-B frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I start tuning the pileup. Ed - W0YK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
If we have a software switch that allows us to select which way we want to operate, then the problem goes away. Each to their own way. Actually I like the idea of being able to select either way. During a contest I would like it setup so I only had to push AB once. When hunting for DX I would like it to operate the way it is with two pushes of AB for freq, mode, filters, etc. 72, N2TK, Tony PS One of the K3's is packed and ready for KP2M. Got to get out of the cold NE for a while. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed Muns Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:47 PM To: 'van fair' Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution. If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver. Van W4GIW I don't agree. Only making the mode the same between the VFOs is a poor UI. What about the frequency? What if VFO-B is up in the SSB sub-band when you have VFO-A in the CW sub-band? Now, you have another K3 operation to get it where you want it. AB is the perfect feature in this application. If the menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (AB) when it invoked SPLIT, that might make sense. In the vast majority of times I go into SPLIT, I want to tap AB first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up. I find it helpful for the VFO-B frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I start tuning the pileup. Ed - W0YK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
Hey, that's cool! Thanks Eric. Pete, W1RM -Original Message- From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [mailto:e...@elecraft.com] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 3:21 PM To: p...@xs4all.nl Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation Quickly double tap A-B. 73, Eric _..._ -Original Message- From: Arie Kleingeld PA3A p...@xs4all.nl Date: Sunday, Oct 18, 2009 2:15 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Ed, I agree with you on this. The way you describe it, That's the way I always do it (and done that for years with my MP), It would be nice if, after pressing split, the vfo's would be on the same freq and in same mode. This would be a nice short cut. The purist might add that the CW split would have to be 1 up and the ssb split 5 up. But that would me too much for me. Let me do that by hand. 73 Arie PA3A AB is the perfect feature in this application. If the menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (AB) when it invoked SPLIT, that might make sense. In the vast majority of times I go into SPLIT, I want to tap AB first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up. I find it helpful for the VFO-B frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I start tuning the pileup. Ed - W0YK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Tap Dancing with Split Operation
During these recent DXpeditions I've hear more wrong VFO transmissions than ever. What is this going on? Yes, some because we're all getting older and forget which button was tapped last but there are lots more than just this as the reason for the wrong foot forward in this tap dancing process. Since there is discussion about improvement for split and sub receiver operation I think the subject also should be reviewed for single receiver/transmit operation. Is there any way firmware could be added to prevent transmitting on either VFO, A or B if it were on set to prevent transmit (by error) on a known frequency where the DX is tranmitting? When setting up to chase the DX-pedition if I could set up my K3/K2 to not allow transmitting on an identified frequency I'd be more relaxed and enjoy the chase. I know that there are many DXers with different kinds of radios and are sure suffering from this similar problem in the feeding frenzy dance operation of Find, Tap and pounce. There should be a way to Find the DX, Hit TX inhibit for the frequency. John Lawrence Pond Brook Farm 455 Flanders Corner Road North Waldoboro, Maine 04572 207-615-2824 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - Default for Mode B=A
K1ZZI wrote: Having A and B in \ different modes must be very rare and certainly not the norm. I wouldn't say it's all that rare. In a mixed-mode contest it can be handy to be able to jump between modes and sub-bands just by hitting the A/B button. If you want to go to a predetermined frequency, you can use a memory, but if you want to return to the last frequency you used on the other mode, or go to a frequency you have pre-dialed in using the VFO B knob, you can just press A/B. In fact, I often leave A and B in different modes during normal operating, just to be able to jump back and forth quickly between CW and digital modes at the press of a single button. If A and B were always in the same mode, this kind of jump would be made more difficult. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split operation
For my part I'm contented with the way AB and Split works. Maybe it's also that I'm used to it this way because all of my previous rigs worked like this. I don't see the need to change this. As for the quick split feature, it is nice to have but I never used it because a lot of DX-Stations use different splits and you'll have to dial in on them anyway. Yust my 2 cents. 73 de Roland, DC1RS - K3/100 #1243, KFL3A-2.8K, KFL3A-2.1K, KFL3A-400, KRX3, KFL3A-2.8K, KFL3A-400, KAT3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-tp3843968p3845772.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: . AB is the perfect feature in this application. If the menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (AB) when it invoked SPLIT, that might make sense. In the vast majority of times I go into SPLIT, I want to tap AB first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up. I find it helpful for the VFO-B frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I start tuning the pileup. Ed - W0YK Ed, I agree with you on this. The way you describe it, That's the way I always do it (and done that for years with my MP), It would be nice if, after pressing split, the vfo's would be on the same freq and in same mode. This would be a nice short cut. The purist might add that the CW split would have to be 1 up and the ssb split 5 up. But that would me too much for me. Let me do that by hand. 73 Arie PA3A One touch split from the VFO A frequency is an established menu option on a wide range of transceivers. The K3 requires FIVE distinct operations to set that up, leaving its owner several seconds behind the game. I strongly prefer the option of an offset frequency as a starting point for tuning VFO B, because an offset of zero is the DX station's own frequency - the one place we *don't* want to transmit! -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
I would also find this option to be helpful. Merle - W0EWM van fair wrote: I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution. If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver. Van W4GIW __ Elecraft mailing list __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
Wayne, If you force the same mode with SPLIT, you will be negating the use of cross-mode split. I know standard (same mode) split is much more common, but I believe a K3 capability for cross-mode split should be available. 73, Don W3FPR Wayne Burdick wrote: Eric and I will discuss this on Monday. Sounds like a good idea. 73, Wayne http://www.elecraft.com On Oct 18, 2009, at 4:13 AM, van fair g...@bellsouth.net wrote: I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2443 - Release Date: 10/17/09 13:08:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
Can I plead for flexibility? Everyone seems to want the most efficient split operation for their particular way of using split, but there are other requirements as well. For example, assume a DX station is using a K3 on 40m phone, say at 7055 kHz, and trying to listen both on its own frequency and on a split frequency high in the band, say at 7250 kHz. In that application, he would want to be able to transmit on either VFO simply by turning SPLIT on or off. He wouldn't want any automatic frequency equalization. I like the way SPLIT works right now, as it allows such flexibility. 73, andy, ae6y __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 FM Filter for K144XV
It must be my translation of english, but I thought FM was usually of better quality then SSB, but maybe thats not want grown-up is? So, if you want to enjoy the better quality of FM over the lousy small bandwidth modes like SSB an/or CW then you need the filter. Also useful for 10 and 6 meters 73 Henk PA5KT (mostly active on CW, but owner of a FM filter) David Pratt schreef: In a recent message, Jim Hester jimhes...@hester.ws wrote ... I am waiting like many others for my K144XV. I wonder if I need to order a FM filter for use with the K144XV. That all depends on whether you want to work on FM (CB!) or on the grown-ups modes of CW and/or ssb. 73 -- Henk Remijn PA5KT email: pa...@remijn.net www: www.remijn.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Kevin is demonstrating the art and pleasure of rag chewing. Comments like his are the essence of a great contact on the air that makes Ham radio so enjoyable for a lot of us. Your observations about wherever you live and comments about what's important and interesting to you each day are instructive and interesting to others. 73, Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] grown up modes ?
Please do not respond to the TROLL. Steve N4LQ n...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: Geoffrey Downs geoff...@downs.globalnet.co.uk To: elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Jim Danehy jdan...@cinci.rr.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] grown up modes ? So - as long as I don't use CW I'll presumably remain young. Yippee! And anyway CW makes me panic. ;-) 73 to all Geoff G3UCK - Original Message - From: Jim Danehy jdan...@cinci.rr.com To: jimhes...@hester.ws; elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [Elecraft] grown up modes ? if it ain't CW it is just CB ;-0) . . note the absence of SSB mode . . . . no difference between FM and SSB it is all Phone (OT expression). W9VNE (58th year of pounding brass) K2 + K3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Elecraft Net Announcement
Snip Kevin is demonstrating the art and pleasure of rag chewing. Comments like his are the essence of a great contact on the air that makes Ham radio so enjoyable for a lot of us. Your observations about wherever you live and comments about what's important and interesting to you each day are instructive and interesting to others. 73, Ron AC7AC End Snip Ron, Agree totally. I would add this though: I spent an enjoyable hour and a half chatting with RX3XX, Serge one night on 20M and I learnt more in that time about life in Russia today than I thought possible. As with Kevin's writing, talking to foreign stations I think teaches us many things about people, their lives and the incredible differences in both our own country and others. To me this is the truly enjoyable aspect to a great hobby. I don't miss the Bill Gates contraption one little bit and the K3 has energised me to learn other modes and different styles/modes of operation. I never thought I would get into contesting,but the comments on this site moved me to try, oh what a difference it has made. RTTY is another mode and the list is growing. I read Kevin's post's and I have saved some that to me are memorable. Life is good eh? 73's Gary VK4WT/P In the Motorhome Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] split operation
To those of you (W3FPR and N2TK) who did not like my suggestion of having a new menu choice to make B mode always equal to A mode apparently did not notice that the other choice you would have is to leave it like it is now. Your choice in the menu mode. What could be wrong with that. The default would be to leave it like it is now. So you would have to do nothing. If you work 7 bands every day on phone and CW, switch bands 10 to 20 times a day and 90% is split and nothing on the dial tells you in what mode B is in, I think my idea is a good one. I cant see where it can cause any damage as it is still your choice to leave it like it is. Van __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
Wayne they will still have the choice of leaving in default which will be like it is now. Apparently he did not understand that it was a menu choice I asked for. Van - Original Message - From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com To: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com Cc: van fair g...@bellsouth.net; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation Wayne, If you force the same mode with SPLIT, you will be negating the use of cross-mode split. I know standard (same mode) split is much more common, but I believe a K3 capability for cross-mode split should be available. 73, Don W3FPR Wayne Burdick wrote: Eric and I will discuss this on Monday. Sounds like a good idea. 73, Wayne http://www.elecraft.com On Oct 18, 2009, at 4:13 AM, van fair g...@bellsouth.net wrote: I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2443 - Release Date: 10/17/09 13:08:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2444 - Release Date: 10/18/09 09:04:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
If we make any change at all to split operation, it will be optional. The present behavior will be the default. Wayne http://www.elecraft.com On Oct 18, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Andy Faber andrewfa...@ymail.com wrote: Can I plead for flexibility? Everyone seems to want the most efficient split operation for their particular way of using split, but there are other requirements as well. For example, assume a DX station is using a K3 on 40m phone, say at 7055 kHz, and trying to listen both on its own frequency and on a split frequency high in the band, say at 7250 kHz. In that application, he would want to be able to transmit on either VFO simply by turning SPLIT on or off. He wouldn't want any automatic frequency equalization. I like the way SPLIT works right now, as it allows such flexibility. 73, andy, ae6y __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Grown Up modes
Snip Please do not respond to the TROLL. Steve N4LQ End Snip Why? Seems like we could use some humour around here. Lighten up, life is too short for mono-mode operation..(:-)) 73's Gary VK4WT/P In the Motorhome Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
MY suggestion which is supported by many more than oppose it, still allows you to do nothing, leave the menu selection in default and you end up with exactly what you have now. I have been a dxer and a ham for 57 years and have earned the right to make my suggestions especially when they dont affect your having like it is now. 73 Van -- Original Message - From: Ed Muns w...@msn.com To: 'van fair' g...@bellsouth.net Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Split operation I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution. If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver. Van W4GIW I don't agree. Only making the mode the same between the VFOs is a poor UI. What about the frequency? What if VFO-B is up in the SSB sub-band when you have VFO-A in the CW sub-band? Now, you have another K3 operation to get it where you want it. AB is the perfect feature in this application. If the menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (AB) when it invoked SPLIT, that might make sense. In the vast majority of times I go into SPLIT, I want to tap AB first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up. I find it helpful for the VFO-B frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I start tuning the pileup. Ed - W0YK No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2444 - Release Date: 10/18/09 09:04:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split operation [END of Thread]
Guys - Let's end this thread for now. Wayne and I will discuss this next week. (I'm currently at 30,000 ft flying back to CA from a meeting in TX. American Air's in-flight WiFi is pretty cool for workaholics like us..) Also, please note from the latest manual that quickly double pressing A-B copies ALL VFO A info to VFO B, including mode. We added that some time back specifically for this need. 73, Eric WA6HHQ List Moderator van fair wrote: MY suggestion which is supported by many more than oppose it, still allows you to do nothing, leave the menu selection in default and you end up with exactly what you have now. I have been a dxer and a ham for 57 years and have earned the right to make my suggestions especially when they dont affect your having like it is now. 73 Van -- Original Message - From: Ed Muns w...@msn.com To: 'van fair' g...@bellsouth.net Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Split operation I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution. If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver. Van W4GIW I don't agree. Only making the mode the same between the VFOs is a poor UI. What about the frequency? What if VFO-B is up in the SSB sub-band when you have VFO-A in the CW sub-band? Now, you have another K3 operation to get it where you want it. AB is the perfect feature in this application. If the menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (AB) when it invoked SPLIT, that might make sense. In the vast majority of times I go into SPLIT, I want to tap AB first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up. I find it helpful for the VFO-B frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I start tuning the pileup. Ed - W0YK No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2444 - Release Date: 10/18/09 09:04:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Grown Up modes [END of Thread]
Guys - Let's end this thread. Arguing on which modes are best or proper (or most like CB) are WAY off topic for the list. Also, please do not accuse others of being trolls. (Even if you feel you are correct.) Just forward the concern to me as list manager and I'll deal with it. Seems this always happens when I'm out of town for a few days.. ;-) Eric Elecraft List Moderator === rfenab...@gmail.com wrote: Snip Please do not respond to the TROLL. Steve N4LQ End Snip Why? Seems like we could use some humour around here. Lighten up, life is too short for mono-mode operation..(:-)) 73's Gary VK4WT/P In the Motorhome Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Split operation [END of Thread]
I don't want to contradict but tapping AB once already copy frequency AND mode to VFO B... Just turned on the radio and tried again to be 100% sure. 73 de Roland, DC1RS - K3/100 #1243, KFL3A-2.8K, KFL3A-2.1K, KFL3A-400, KRX3, KFL3A-2.8K, KFL3A-400, KAT3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-tp3843968p3846205.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
This is beta firmware. People are being invited to test it. This is a two way process. If people are being invited to test software, they feel involved in the development process and also feel entitled to make suggestions for improvements. It's only natural that their suggestions reflect their personal interests. It's up to the guys at Elecraft to sort the totally bonkers suggestions from the ones that help make the K3 better, and I think they are doing a good job of that. Just remember, all the people who are spending valuable operating time downloading and beta testing firmware are helping make a smoother upgrade experience for all those who choose to wait for a final release. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Latest-FW-3-44-and-the-NR-WIDTH-tp3845243p3846231.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 FM Filter for K144XV
Henk Remijn PA5KT wrote: It must be my translation of english, but I thought FM was usually of better quality then SSB, but maybe thats not want grown-up is? So, if you want to enjoy the better quality of FM over the lousy small bandwidth modes like SSB an/or CW then you need the filter. Also useful for 10 and 6 meters 73 Henk PA5KT (mostly active on CW, but owner of a FM filter) Some people may find it more convenient to use a second FM only transceiver for local nattering while using their K3 for something else, but there is no doubt that having a crystal FM filter in the first IF gives far superior results to rigs that rely for selectivity on a mechanical filter at the second or third IF. With all the work Elecraft has recently put in on FM operation features the K3 really is now an excellent ALL MODE transceiver so why not take advantage of it? - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-FM-Filter-for-K144XV-tp3844784p3846271.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Clean 600hz signal, full dsp decoupling possible?
Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote: Tracking filters are very useful when searching for signals below the receiver's noise floor, at VHF for example, but listening to a keyed audio oscillator without noise can be quite boring. Listening to the awful noise I have to put up with here is very tiring. In fact, I pretty well use digimodes exclusively now so I don't have to listen to the audio at all. I would love a feature like this. I assume that you could inject some white noise into the background to make it easier to listen to; you could even vary the S/N ratio so that a loud signal sounded louder. Whether the DSP has enough cycles left for this to ever be more than a dream is another matter... - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Clean-600hz-signal-full-dsp-decoupling-possible-tp3841926p3846289.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] GO Elecraft!!!! and a suggestion about stable releases
I see people mentioning how disconcerting it is not to be able to settle down with one one version of the radio because of the constant upgrades and bug fixes, well I understand this but on the other hand I am quite excited as to the development process that this radio is be taken on. Please understand that you don't have to upgrade normally and you can also revert to any version of the firmware you want to, although you may need to ask where the older versions are stored. So for Elecraft; you guys keep doing it this way until you start developing your next superlative radio because you will create an incredible product here that is probably as close to what the buyers want as possible ( I hope everyone who posts or emails suggestions realizes that they are considered for integration in the K3. Ever had Yaesu, Kenwood or Icom do this). My suggestion for Elecraft, a bit more often have releases that seem to have the least amount of issues are labeled interim production releases or something like that and put a bit of extra effort in the documentation at that point. I guess I would set a time period to do this in and adhere to it as best a possible. Personally I don't care about the releases having a few problems as long as I know that they will be fixed. GO Elecraft!!! Bob KB1FRW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - FW 3.44 - No monitor or audio in AFSK-A
I was trying RTTY for the first time with my K3 in AFSK-A mode today and ran into a problem. Every now and then I would lose monitor and receive audio on all data modes except DATA-A. That is, I would start sending (using cocoaModem on my MacBook), the K3's power meter would indicate output power, but I wouldn't hear any monitor audio from the external speaker attached to the K3. I tried changing the data mode to DATA-A and monitor audio returned. Switching back to AFSK-A, I now had no receive audio. None of the other data modes had any receive audio except DATA-A. Cycling power did not correct the problem. Changing to CW or SSB mode and back to DATA did not correct the problem. The only thing that seemed to bring back receive audio was pressing the A/B button to switch VFOs. (I have the sub RX, but it was not turned on.) This happened 4 times. I tried re-loading the FW (version 3.44), but it happened again. Each time it begins with no monitor audio during transmit, then, after changing to a different data sub mode, no receive audio. Pressing A/B is the only thing I've found that will restore audio to the other data sub modes. DATA-A mode always works fine. Anyone else noticing strange behavior in DATA modes? 73 -- Joe KB8AP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net results (10-18-09)
Another good net inspite of some QRM. There were 22 of us, and we ran for 23 minutes. The signals were generally OK, although a few required relays to get through. The discussions were on audio quality checks for several stations. Thanks to everyone who checked in. Here is the list of participants. Station NameQTH Rig S/N K6UONormCA K3 755 K4GCJ GaryNC K3 1597 KA0NCR Arnie NE K3 185 K4SOMarkVA K3 2861 KD5ZLB/MEdwin LA K3 3147 KD1NA DaveMA K3/K2 934/5779 AD5SX PaulNM Jupiter AE6RH Ron CA K3 1997 W4PFM PaulVA K3 1673 N1LQDaveMA K3 371 W6VYBob CA K3 1590 K0JWC Jim MN K3 3447 N5RMS AL TX K3 3245 N5ZMEarlAR K3 3223 AB2TC Ken NY K3 82 W8YMO Harry OH K3 166 K7SJRoger WA K3 75 N4LEC Larry GA Yaesu KB3FBR Joe PA K2 6178 W8OVDaveTX K3 3139 KM4VX Ron NC K2 6724 NS7PPhilOR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for October 18th 19th, 2009
Good Evening, Another couple of fine nets. Twenty meters worked OK, not spectacular but OK. QRN on forty meters was loud and then louder as time went by. I read between the nets that we are being hit by a solar stream. It was noticeable on 40. I tightened up my filters but that only helped a little. But, on the plus side, tomorrow's propagation should be improved. OK, that brings me to the next subject. I received a few reviews of my writing after I posted the ECN announcement. I ragchew with my mentor for an hour per day each weekday. We have been doing this since 2002 if I am not mistaken. We chat about anything and everything for a full hour except for recently when his CG net has taken precedence each Thursday. It seems to have effected the way I write. Working DX and contesting are OK but they are nothing like a good ragchew. I really enjoy hearing what other folks have to say about things. Weather, sports, cars, motorcycles, nature, construction, hunting, etc. My t raining has been eclectic and I enjoy learning every day. I believe the moment I stop learning is the point where I should buy a plot! I have been remiss in my reportage. The fall colors are at their height here in the Coast Range. Now that the clear cuts have provided quite a long range view of the area I can see how very many deciduous trees are in the local forests. Vine maples look like there are fires across the mountains. Alders glow a golden yellow and the big leaf maple offer a range of colors from green to yellow to red depending upon how much of the chlorophyll has been drawn into the trunk. There are also a variety of forbs which span the range in colors from the water soluble anthocyanin red to the more stable yellows of xanthophyll and carotene. As anthocyanin breaks down the colors form a gradient as an ecotone describes the variation in species on a slope in a sunny, sandy environment. On to the lists = On 14050.5 kHz at 2300z: N0SS - Tom - MO - K3 - 008*** QNI # 320 *** W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457 AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398 K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422 W0RSR - Mike - CO - K2 - 5767 KB3FBR - Joe - PA - K? - 1708 QNI # 5! K7SJ - Roger - WA - K3 - 75 K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642* QNI # 145 * AE6IC - Fred - CA - K3 - 2241 N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866 On 7045 kHz at 0100z: WC7S - Dale - WY - K2 - 4360 K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183 * QNI # 145 * N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994 W0RSR - Mike - CO - K2 - 5767 W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139 W6BK - Dave - CA - K2 - 4910 N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866 W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457 WI6O - John - CA - K1 - 922 QNI # 20!! K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642 K6CSL - Bert - CA If there are any errors in the above lists or you have comments for me please send an email. I will fix the database or respond to your comment. In either case I will reply. Gives me practice with my socialization skills. Living in the boonies, by myself, allows me to slack on them so I need the reinforcement! Until next week stay well, 73, Kevin. KD5ONS (Net Control Operator 5th Class) - __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
