Re: [Elecraft] K3 not turning off
Thanks to all that replied...I removed the ACC/RS232 PCB and cleaned the pins... All works OK now Thanks again Glenn VK4FZ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-not-turning-off-tp4972515p4979131.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
And if someone can format K3 ref material for Blackberry, I suspect Eric will bless that, too. It "WBVN" to have at least a Quick Ref! Rick N6XI On 4/27/10, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Mike, Thanks for doing this. Looks good. > > In general, please ask us for permission first before reproducing our > copyrighted material for wide distribution. In general we'll likely OK > it for free apps like this, but it is a legal requirement for us to > protect our copyrights. > > I'm officially giving our OK for this one. :-) > > Please add "K3 Programmer's Reference (c) 2010 Elecraft, Inc., Used with > permission" to your app. > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > (Wearing my Elecraft COO hat.) > === > > > > On 4/26/2010 4:47 PM, Michael Downs wrote: >> For those of you who have an iPhone and would like to have the K3 >> Programmer's Reference as a handy reference on your iPhone, read on. >> >> I have developed an iPhone app that puts the entire K3 Programmer's >> Reference document in iPhone format for your use. It also includes >> appropriate supplemental information from the K3 Owner's Manual >> incorporated into the reference to make less cross checking necessary as >> you program your PC to control the K3 or write macros. >> >> It is a free application available in Apple's App Store. You can find it >> by using the search terms K3 Programmer's Guide, or just K3 or ks7d. It is >> categorized by Apple as Reference. >> >> It currently is the only iPhone app available that supports the K3. >> Hopefully some of the other K3 users will develop other iPhone apps for >> the K3. Enjoy. >> >> Mike, ks7d >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Sent from my mobile device Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Speaker toggle macro
Julian VK4CMV, posted what I thought was a great idea, plugging headphones into the jack on the back of the K3, and toggling the external speaker(s) with a button. See P. 21 of the user manual for Julian's method. I did it with a macro MN097;UP;MN255; using the K3 utility. 73, Mike NF4L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Speaker toggle macro
This function is available in the CONFIG menu [CONFIG:SPKR+PH] which can easily be assigned to one of the programmable buttons on the right hand side of the K3 Front Panel. It works great! I have mine on M3(Hold) and it cycles between "speaker and phones" and just "phones". 73, Ken K3IU On 4/29/2010 6:03 AM, Mike wrote: > Julian VK4CMV, posted what I thought was a great idea, plugging > headphones into the jack on the back of the K3, and toggling the > external speaker(s) with a button. See P. 21 of the user manual for > Julian's method. > > I did it with a macro MN097;UP;MN255; using the K3 utility. > > 73, Mike NF4L > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] W2IHY 8 band equalizer and EQ Plus
>>By the same reasoning, we might obtain improvement to our analog solid state transceivers by adding some front end vacuum tube gear! :-) Sweet! Now we are talking about real radios! Mike Scott - AE6WA Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA) NAQCC 3535 K3-100 #508 / KX1 #1311 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
Actually, I was thinking that formatting such information for the iPad would be more useful. I have been thinking about the myriad of applications that might be fitting for an iPad in my shack. What I need is the time to create them and unfortunately I will not have that time this year but maybe someone else can do it. Aside from the documentation features, I am curious about using the iPad USB audio capability for doing digital modes using something like the Signalink USB device. Or, a smart circuit diagram would be nice. The fact that you have a touch screen with very fast scroll and positioning ability through finger swipes and other gestures allows you to create a very nice 3-dimensional circuit diagram reader. The diagram would be complete in 2-dimensions, that is, no separate pages for continuation. And, zooming (even using finger gestures for zoom control) allows you to go into deeper detail. For example, the top level can be like a block diagram of the circuit layout but zooming in gives you access to greater detail of the circuit. Of course, who is to stop this from going all the way to a great circuit analysis program -- maybe we could call it iCap. Just a few things I would like to see or even build myself if I have the time. Unfortunately, my day job, vacations, other hobbies (woodworking), and just POHR (plain old ham radio) cut into my available time. 73, phil, K7PEH On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:45 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: > And if someone can format K3 ref material for Blackberry, I suspect > Eric will bless that, too. It "WBVN" to have at least a Quick Ref! > > Rick N6XI > > On 4/27/10, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> Mike, Thanks for doing this. Looks good. >> >> In general, please ask us for permission first before reproducing our >> copyrighted material for wide distribution. In general we'll likely OK >> it for free apps like this, but it is a legal requirement for us to >> protect our copyrights. >> >> I'm officially giving our OK for this one. :-) >> >> Please add "K3 Programmer's Reference (c) 2010 Elecraft, Inc., Used with >> permission" to your app. >> >> 73, Eric WA6HHQ >> (Wearing my Elecraft COO hat.) >> === >> >> >> >> On 4/26/2010 4:47 PM, Michael Downs wrote: >>> For those of you who have an iPhone and would like to have the K3 >>> Programmer's Reference as a handy reference on your iPhone, read on. >>> >>> I have developed an iPhone app that puts the entire K3 Programmer's >>> Reference document in iPhone format for your use. It also includes >>> appropriate supplemental information from the K3 Owner's Manual >>> incorporated into the reference to make less cross checking necessary as >>> you program your PC to control the K3 or write macros. >>> >>> It is a free application available in Apple's App Store. You can find it >>> by using the search terms K3 Programmer's Guide, or just K3 or ks7d. It is >>> categorized by Apple as Reference. >>> >>> It currently is the only iPhone app available that supports the K3. >>> Hopefully some of the other K3 users will develop other iPhone apps for >>> the K3. Enjoy. >>> >>> Mike, ks7d >>> >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > > Rick Tavan N6XI > Truckee, CA > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:20:13 -0700, Phil Hystad wrote: Phil, I'm confused. You say that your side tone pitch is changing, but from your statement below it sounds to me as though you are talking about the received signal from the station you are working. If that is true, then the problem would not be with the K3 side tone, but with the stability of the transmitter at the other end. When this occurs after "a slight pause in the senders signal", then it would mean that the sender's transmitted frequency has changed during the pause. Many older tube type rigs exhibit this behavior for many reasons. You will hear this sort of behavior from many of the Cuban stations on the air, because they have no access to modern radio equipment (unless they are a "good Party Member"). TOM, N5GE BT 73 ES GUD LUK AR DE N5GE SK http://www.n5ge.com >A while back I raised the question of whether others had the same symptoms I >had been hearing of the CW sidetone pitch of a received signal all of a sudden >changing by so-many Hz (maybe up to 50 Hz but just guessing). It appears to >happen when there is a slight pause in the senders signal and it almost sounds >like some other station, a few Hz away has jumped into the party but that is >not the case -- only a single station sending. [snip] __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Radio Amateur N5GE wrote: > > You say that your side tone pitch is changing, but from your statement > below it sounds to me as though you are talking about the received > signal from the station you are working. If that is true, then the > problem would not be with the K3 side tone, but with the stability of > the transmitter at the other end. > I believe Phil is referring to the pitch of received signals over ~S9. Here's his original post and thread from over a month ago: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Subtle-Change-in-CW-monitor-tone-td4717926.html#a4721510 The pitch change is very subtle (<1 Hz change) and seems to occur mainly on strong received signals. Rather than being a transmit artifact of the external signal, it seems to be something inside the K3...noticeable only if you can discern very slight frequency changes. It's not annoying to me but more of a curiosity as to what may be causing it. 73, Bill 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Sidetone-Pitch-Change-Problem-tp4975385p4980686.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
I'm also sorely tempted to get an iPad, even tho it's a One-point-Oh version and surely infested with the usual bugs of a One-point-Oh. But if it really pans out over time as a good multimedia device, I could see it as a neat alternative for doing digital modes; i.e. the sound card ones like PSK and AFSK in particular. Especially for portable ops due to its size. I'm going to go check it out at the local appl store this week (still trying to determine exactly what I/O capabilities it actually has) LS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-MAC-owner-dumb-question-about-installing-K3-utility-tp4693890p4980879.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
Think your better off with a netbook for that kind of stuff, ipad doesn't have i/o at all, no audio input and a fairly limited processor, its more of a dumb tablet for web browsing and running little apps. And for the price, you could pick up 3 netbooks and put whatever flavor of *nix or windows on it that you like (even os x). Not to say tablets dont have potential but currently they seem to be little more than internet 'appliances'. Matt W8ESE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fw: PR6 6 Meter Preamp Installation
True, Ken. However, my ultimate request was whether anyone has investigated the possibility of putting the PR6 totally *INSIDE* the K3? Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From: Ken Kopp [mailto:k...@rfwave.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:56 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: PR6 6 Meter Preamp Installation My PR6 is connected with two 6" BNC <-> BNC cables. Connecting it using two "double male" BNC's seems like certain damage, sooner or later. (;-) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Wow <1Hz change? You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? I'm impressed! Rick K6LE On 4/29/2010, at 8:40 , Bill W4ZV wrote: > > The pitch change is very subtle (<1 Hz change) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
I will have my iPad tomorrow, with cell phone modem. Contrary to other posts, you can add a USB port - already have that little gizmo ready to attach. Monty K2DLJ > > I'm also sorely tempted to get an iPad, even tho it's a One-point-Oh > version > and surely infested with the usual bugs of a One-point-Oh. But if it > really > pans out over time as a good multimedia device, I could see it as a neat > alternative for doing digital modes; i.e. the sound card ones like PSK and > AFSK in particular. Especially for portable ops due to its size. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
On Apr 29, 2010, at 4/299:26 AM, Matt Palmer wrote: > ... ipad doesn't have i/o at all, no audio input... You are probably not aware that the iPad's "Camera Connection Kit" supports a USB Class Compliant sound card. 73 Chen, W7AY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
More likely the low level distortion created in the analog audio path typically occurring with the stronger signals. That distortion is therefore multiples of the fundamental and the human hearing will allow the higher frequency components to be dominate, often described as masking effect thus perceived to be louder. It is the combination of F + Fx2 + Fx3 and etc. This is usually the result of the dither component of digitally processed signals. A 2nd point with stronger signals the background noise, always higher in frequency content, will be suppressed thus the timbre of the signal will change as the reference point of hearing changes. A very common psychoacoustic condition with two legged folks referred to as human. 73 Bob, K4TAX - Original Message - From: "Rick Prather" To: "Bill W4ZV" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem > Wow <1Hz change? > > You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? > > I'm impressed! > > Rick > K6LE > > On 4/29/2010, at 8:40 , Bill W4ZV wrote: >> >> The pitch change is very subtle (<1 Hz change) > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
And then an app needs to be written that supports all that, I'll still stick to cheap available hardware over vapor ware myself. And wait until tablets come into their own (again, I had an original newton too bad they didn't take off with that). I do suppose someone has to be a trail blazer. Matt W8ESE On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Kok Chen wrote: > > On Apr 29, 2010, at 4/29 9:26 AM, Matt Palmer wrote: > >> ... ipad doesn't have i/o at all, no audio input... > > You are probably not aware that the iPad's "Camera Connection Kit" > supports a USB Class Compliant sound card. > > 73 > Chen, W7AY > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
You are talking to the right guy (W7AY) about software, maybe we'll see CocoaModem on the iPad. :) On 4/29/2010 10:11 AM, Matt Palmer wrote: > And then an app needs to be written that supports all that, I'll still > stick to cheap available hardware over vapor ware myself. And wait > until tablets come into their own (again, I had an original newton too > bad they didn't take off with that). I do suppose someone has to be a > trail blazer. > Matt > W8ESE > > > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Kok Chen wrote: > >> On Apr 29, 2010, at 4/299:26 AM, Matt Palmer wrote: >> >> >>> ... ipad doesn't have i/o at all, no audio input... >>> >> You are probably not aware that the iPad's "Camera Connection Kit" >> supports a USB Class Compliant sound card. >> >> 73 >> Chen, W7AY >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
On Apr 29, 2010, at 4/2910:11 AM, Matt Palmer wrote: > And then an app needs to be written that supports all that... A very basic PSK31 app for the iPod Touch has been available through the Apple app store for a while now. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-psk31/id329842689?mt=8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4SIB6wCMfs You tune the old fashion way, using the rig's knob, urgh. But, it does decode BPSK31 and has a small (500 Hz wide) spectrum display -- not too shabby given the slow iPod Touch processor. (iPhone OS 4.0 will have internal support for stuff like convolutions and FFTs, probably mirroring the vDSP framework in Mac OS X.) 73 Chen, W7AY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Rick Prather-2 wrote: > > Wow <1Hz change? > > You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? > > I'm impressed! > It's a gift from God and you could have it too! Click "Adaptive Pitch" to the right here: http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/ "This adaptive pitch test will play a series of two short tones and ask you if the second tone is higher or lower than the first tone. This test measures your pitch perception abilities by adapting to your responses: The better you are, the closer and closer the stimuli will become. As you advance in the test, it may sound as if the two tones are identical. This is never the case: they will always be a different pitch, even if that difference is imperceptible." I forget the exact histogram breakpoints but I believe ~20% of folks can resolve <1 Hz. If you take the test, you'll see the histogram and where you fall on it. Have fun! 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Sidetone-Pitch-Change-Problem-tp4975385p4981305.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
Well the problems with the tablets of the past have typically been poor performance and just being too crippled to really do anything useful. I.e., you touch it to do something and it grinds and grinds and then maybe pops u a window etc I guess it remains to be seen if the iPad gets around those problems. From the videos of it the UI seems to have good performance. Hopefully the USB support will be enough to do real I/O (tho having to buy expensive accessories might not be good for its long-term health in the marketplace). Also, it seems you can hook a keyboard up to it through its dock (tho it's not clear to me yet what that actually does for you I/O-wise). And apple has already released an SDK for it So we'll see. It'd be really dandy for use with a portable PSK station for example (something along the lines of the iPod app Chen posted a little while ago) 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-MAC-owner-dumb-question-about-installing-K3-utility-tp4693890p4981330.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Rick Prather-2 wrote: >>Wow <1Hz change? >> >>You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? >> >>I'm impressed! >> >> >> Yeah that's the good news. The bad news is that they can only hear from 500- 600 Hz. It would seem that the lower the frequency the better one should be able to resolve pitch differences. Wonder if that is so. 73 de Brian/K3KO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
Phil, Those are some good ideas. Now a days in retirement I write iDevice Apps for fun and profit and I have been noticing more and more Ham Radio based apps. There is already a digital mode app for the iPad in case you were interested. It is called I-Psk31 but it has had mixed reviews. I too have been doing a lot of thinking about how to take advantage of the iPad. I think I might take on a digital mode app as I think that would be a great use of the iPad. There are also several other Ham Radio apps that I have been using. PockeSat3 which is pretty good on the iPhone; but what you could do with that data on the iPad is just mind boggling (I am easily boggled ;). ARRL Study exams even though that is really an iPhone application it really works well on the iPad. 3D Sun while technically not a Ham Radio app is still just really really cool. HF Beacons isn't too bad either but it is just a port of the PC versions and is just screaming for a more multi touch based interface. Using these apps in conjunction with either The Weather Channel App or the WunderMap really gives you a lot of the information that you need in one place for chasing DX or Sats. I also think the iPad could be a way to centralize operation and control of all of your radios in one place either in the shack or even remotely. Can you imagine using an iPad in a Contest as a single operator multiple radios and moving frequencies around between the radios with just a flick of a finger? Or having a database that stored configurations that you could change at the flick of a finger ? I can imagine having one radio set to a really important frequency that you are monitoring in the background. When it hears something interesting it can then make that radio move from the background to the foreground alerting you and making control of that radio immediately available. It is definitely very interesting technology. If there are other ideas out their for the iDevices that you either don't have time or the expertise to implement I would be glad to discuss with you. -- Thanks Jon KG6VDW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available
What the iPad really is, it's a way for schools to save tons of money on textbooks. My HS teacher GF is already talking about it among her pears'. I bet in 5 years the book will be history like the audio record, VHS cassette, non DSP radios(to keep on K3 topic),etc 73 Jeff kb2m -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Palmer Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:27 PM To: lstavenhagen Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available Think your better off with a netbook for that kind of stuff, ipad doesn't have i/o at all, no audio input and a fairly limited processor, its more of a dumb tablet for web browsing and running little apps. And for the price, you could pick up 3 netbooks and put whatever flavor of *nix or windows on it that you like (even os x). Not to say tablets dont have potential but currently they seem to be little more than internet 'appliances'. Matt W8ESE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] PR6 6 meter antenna connections
For the six meter PR6 owners and users; I've followed the factory guides on the PR6, no problems with installing it, but I'm totally befuddled about where the 6 meter antenna itself is connected! All the text does is refer to different K3 connections, in terms that are fuzzy to me at best, bearing in mind that my brain is still "fuzzed over" from a case of the flu, and a lot of items aren't making sense right now anyhow. Would the experts in the group kindly give me an explanation of what cable goes where, to make this system work? The Elecraft tech support goes into a vernacular which makes little to no sense to a late '50s era beginner, "before logic gates and bypass modes". Sorry for sounding like a babe in the woods, but I have almost no time for thinking things through, too many work items to accomplish with a spine that's telling me I'm nearly headed for a wheelchair! Thanks for any input that clears the clouds. 73's Gil WA5YKK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Haa I guess .1875 isn't too bad for a 72 year old goatAnd I can also hear the occasional pitch change in sidetone...about 2 hz I guestimate.It does not bother me tho. Rick W3BI~~ > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:44:16 -0700 > From: btipp...@alum.mit.edu > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem > > > > Rick Prather-2 wrote: > > > > Wow <1Hz change? > > > > You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? > > > > I'm impressed! > > > > It's a gift from God and you could have it too! Click "Adaptive Pitch" to > the right here: > > http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/ > > "This adaptive pitch test will play a series of two short tones and ask you > if the second tone is higher or lower than the first tone. This test > measures your pitch perception abilities by adapting to your responses: The > better you are, the closer and closer the stimuli will become. As you > advance in the test, it may sound as if the two tones are identical. This is > never the case: they will always be a different pitch, even if that > difference is imperceptible." > > I forget the exact histogram breakpoints but I believe ~20% of folks can > resolve <1 Hz. If you take the test, you'll see the histogram and where you > fall on it. > > Have fun! > > 73, Bill > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Sidetone-Pitch-Change-Problem-tp4975385p4981305.html > Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fw: PR6 6 Meter Preamp Installation
We designed thePR6 to mount with the double male BNCs and sell the BNC-MM's just for this purpose. Its quite strong and we have never seen a problem using it this way. Of course you can also use short lengths of Male-Male BNC cables to do the same thing. I don't see an easy way to mount it inside the K3. 73, Eric On 4/29/2010 9:29 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: > True, Ken. However, my ultimate request was whether anyone has investigated > the possibility of putting the PR6 totally *INSIDE* the K3? > > Terry, W0FM > > -Original Message- > From: Ken Kopp [mailto:k...@rfwave.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:56 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: PR6 6 Meter Preamp Installation > > My PR6 is connected with two 6" BNC<-> BNC cables. > Connecting it using two "double male" BNC's seems > like certain damage, sooner or later. (;-) > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available [End of thread]
Let's end this thread today to avoid list email overload. We're drifting afield from Ham Radio and Elecraft topic relevance. 73, Eric Elecraft List moderator On 4/29/2010 11:31 AM, Jeff KB2M wrote: > What the iPad really is, it's a way for schools to save tons of money on > textbooks. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PR6 6 meter antenna connections
Don't feel alone, Gil. I went through the same head-scratching several months ago, when I bought my PR6. connection is actually quite simple. Your 6 m antenna connects to the HF antenna jack on the back of the rig ( ANT-1.) Connect the 6 m preamp to the "receive only" bnc jacks on the transverter interface. connect 12 V power to the preamp using the supplied RCA plug that goes into the auxiliary 12 RCA-style 12 V jack on the back of the rig, enter connects to the preamp with the small 3-pin connector attached with red and black wires to the RCA plug. Make sure it is oriented properly; the red wire goes toward the rig and the white wire away from it. The plug is not polarized, so it is possible to put it in backwards. No harm if you do, but the preamp won't work. You have one additional setup question to deal with. Do you want to preamp to be powered whenever the rig is on, or only when the rig is tuned to the 6 m band? If "always on" is your preference, your setup is done. If you want the preamp to be powered only when the rig is tuned to 6 m, then you need to remove the jumper from J2 (see instruction manual), and connect the supplied db-15 connector with one white wire coming out of it to the AUX DB-15 jack on the back of the rig. Go into the config menu and set DIGOUT1 to "on" with the rig tuned to 6 m, and to make sure that DIGOUT1 is set to "off" for all other bands. That configuration will power up the preamp when you switch the rig to 6 m. To engage the preamp, simply tune your rig to the 6 m band and press the RX ANT button on the front of the rig, (near the power button). When you do that, the K3 will automatically route the receive signal to the RX ANT module, through the 6 m preamp, and back to the front to end of the K3 receiver. When you transmit, the rig will automatically bypasses the receive antenna circuitry, and sends the transmit signal directly out through the ANT-1 connector. For normal use on 6 m, you don't connect anything to the "outboard" pair of bnc jacks on the preamp. those basically exist to provide the receive only antenna functionality for every band other than 6 m, since the preamp is bypassed when the preamp is powered off. in this mode, a receive only signal goes directly from the "outboard" pair of BNC jacks to the "inboard" pair that are connected to the rig itself. When you first hook this thing up, it's natural to assume that the 6 m antenna ought to connect to the 6 m preamp, but it doesn't. The 6 m received signal simply takes a little detour from the main antenna input jack through the preamp, and then back into the receiver. It's like stopping at Starbucks for an espresso to give yourself a boost before you go on a long trip (through the receiver). Hope this helps. Lew k6lmp > For the six meter PR6 owners and users; > > I've followed the factory guides on the PR6, no problems with > installing it, but I'm totally befuddled about where the 6 meter antenna > itself is connected! All the text does is refer to different K3 > connections, in terms that are fuzzy to me at best, bearing in mind that > my brain is still "fuzzed over" from a case of the flu, and a lot of > items aren't making sense right now anyhow. > Would the experts in the group kindly give me an explanation of what > cable goes where, to make this system work? The Elecraft tech support > goes into a vernacular which makes little to no sense to a late '50s era > beginner, "before logic gates and bypass modes". > Sorry for sounding like a babe in the woods, but I have almost no > time for thinking things through, too many work items to accomplish with > a spine that's telling me I'm nearly headed for a wheelchair! > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Speaker toggle macro
I put it on RIT (for the "receive" mnemonic) and have the XIT button set to bring up the MIC SEL menu. Leigh/WA5ZNU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Speaker-toggle-macro-tp4979306p4982130.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
That's very interesting. Thanks, Rick K6LE On 4/29/2010, at 10:44 , Bill W4ZV wrote: > > > Rick Prather-2 wrote: >> >> Wow <1Hz change? >> >> You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? >> >> I'm impressed! >> > > It's a gift from God and you could have it too! Click "Adaptive Pitch" to > the right here: > > http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/ > > "This adaptive pitch test will play a series of two short tones and ask you > if the second tone is higher or lower than the first tone. This test > measures your pitch perception abilities by adapting to your responses: The > better you are, the closer and closer the stimuli will become. As you > advance in the test, it may sound as if the two tones are identical. This is > never the case: they will always be a different pitch, even if that > difference is imperceptible." > > I forget the exact histogram breakpoints but I believe ~20% of folks can > resolve <1 Hz. If you take the test, you'll see the histogram and where you > fall on it. > > Have fun! > > 73, Bill > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT MFJ 259B analyzer SOLD pending payment
He is waiting for the check At 2:08 PM -0500 4/28/10, David Christ wrote: >Antennas and SWR seem to be an ongoing topic on this list so I >thought I would mention that a friend of mine has an almost new MFJ >259B antenna analyzer for sale. He wants to get something more >advanced. He was mentioning $200. I think that included some >accessories. > >If interested contact him directly as I have no further information. >Bill K7BVO be...@cox.net > > >David K0LUM >-- >Education should be an accumulation of understanding, not just an >accumulation of facts. >Dr. David M. Pozar >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Education should be an accumulation of understanding, not just an accumulation of facts. Dr. David M. Pozar __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
Am I the only one who prefers to tune 'Up the Band' into a CW signal rather than from a frequency above a CW signal to receive it? Apparently not, since there is a 'CW-REV' button on the K3 as well as on many other radios. Over the past 5 decades, I've become accustomed to tuning in CW stations from below the signal's transmitted frequency. Not all radios define 'CW' and 'CW-REV' the same way. The Kenwood TS850 and other Kenwood transceivers have the user tuning into CW signals from below. Using narrow bandwith, a CW signal quickly disappears as the receiver is tuned above the signal frequency. Icom radios and the K3 are the opposite, where the 'CW' mode has the user tuning in CW stations from above the signal's frequency. Users who wish to tune from below and into a signal must switch to 'CW-REV'. This is not a problem since the K3 remembers this preference on each band. However, when rig controlling software programs such as CT, N1MM, RXCLUS, etc. are used, every time the 'CW' mode command is sent by the program to the K3, the radio switches to the 'CW' mode rather that the prefered 'CW-REV' mode. Would it be possible to have a CONFIG setting which would allow the user to define 'CW' and 'CW-REV' modes, that is, the way of tuning into CW signal frequencies (lower to higher or higher to lower)? If this option was available, when radio controlling software sent a generic 'CW' mode change to the K3, it would respond by switching to the user's prefered way (CW or CW-REV) of tuning into CW signals. What say? 73, Rich - K1HTV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem - key clicks
Good morning folks Noticed the odd pitch change a while ago, it is on strong sigs over s9. It is heard on some signals more than others. The only thing I have found is CW with moderate to bad key clicks seem to have this odd tonal shift, compared to clean CW at the same received level. regards Paul zl1ajy -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Sidetone-Pitch-Change-Problem-tp4975385p4982588.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PR6 6 meter antenna connections
Or it you have a dedicated 6M antenna and the ATUconnect it to Ant-2 and make sure that ant position is selected for 6M! 73 Elliott WA6TLA - Original Message - From: "Lew Phelps K6LMP" To: "Elecraft" Cc: "Gil WA5YKK" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PR6 6 meter antenna connections > Don't feel alone, Gil. > > I went through the same head-scratching several months ago, when I bought > my PR6. > > connection is actually quite simple. > > Your 6 m antenna connects to the HF antenna jack on the back of the rig > ( ANT-1.) > > Connect the 6 m preamp to the "receive only" bnc jacks on the transverter > interface. connect 12 V power to the preamp using the supplied RCA plug > that goes into the auxiliary 12 RCA-style 12 V jack on the back of the > rig, enter connects to the preamp with the small 3-pin connector attached > with red and black wires to the RCA plug. Make sure it is oriented > properly; the red wire goes toward the rig and the white wire away from > it. The plug is not polarized, so it is possible to put it in backwards. > No harm if you do, but the preamp won't work. > > You have one additional setup question to deal with. Do you want to preamp > to be powered whenever the rig is on, or only when the rig is tuned to the > 6 m band? If "always on" is your preference, your setup is done. If you > want the preamp to be powered only when the rig is tuned to 6 m, then you > need to remove the jumper from J2 (see instruction manual), and connect > the supplied db-15 connector with one white wire coming out of it to the > AUX > DB-15 jack on the back of the rig. Go into the config menu and set > DIGOUT1 to "on" with the rig tuned to 6 m, and to make sure that DIGOUT1 > is set to "off" for all other bands. That configuration will power up the > preamp when you switch the rig to 6 m. > > To engage the preamp, simply tune your rig to the 6 m band and press the > RX ANT button on the front of the rig, (near the power button). When you > do that, the K3 will automatically route the receive signal to the RX ANT > module, through the 6 m preamp, and back to the front to end of the K3 > receiver. When you transmit, the rig will automatically bypasses the > receive antenna circuitry, and sends the transmit signal directly out > through the ANT-1 connector. > > For normal use on 6 m, you don't connect anything to the "outboard" pair > of bnc jacks on the preamp. those basically exist to provide the receive > only antenna functionality for every band other than 6 m, since the > preamp is bypassed when the preamp is powered off. in this mode, a > receive only signal goes directly from the "outboard" pair of BNC jacks to > the "inboard" pair that are connected to the rig itself. > > When you first hook this thing up, it's natural to assume that the 6 m > antenna ought to connect to the 6 m preamp, but it doesn't. The 6 m > received signal simply takes a little detour from the main antenna input > jack through the preamp, and then back into the receiver. It's like > stopping at Starbucks for an espresso to give yourself a boost before you > go on a long trip (through the receiver). > > Hope this helps. > > Lew k6lmp > > >> For the six meter PR6 owners and users; >> >> I've followed the factory guides on the PR6, no problems with >> installing it, but I'm totally befuddled about where the 6 meter antenna >> itself is connected! All the text does is refer to different K3 >> connections, in terms that are fuzzy to me at best, bearing in mind that >> my brain is still "fuzzed over" from a case of the flu, and a lot of >> items aren't making sense right now anyhow. >> Would the experts in the group kindly give me an explanation of what >> cable goes where, to make this system work? The Elecraft tech support >> goes into a vernacular which makes little to no sense to a late '50s era >> beginner, "before logic gates and bypass modes". >> Sorry for sounding like a babe in the woods, but I have almost no >> time for thinking things through, too many work items to accomplish with >> a spine that's telling me I'm nearly headed for a wheelchair! >> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fw: PR6 6 Meter Preamp Installation
Terry: Another thought - I haven't ordered a PR6 yet but am planning to shortly. Since I have minimal space behind the K3 on the operating shelf for cables etc I am planning to mount the PR6 to the double male BNC's on the back of the K3 but also use a pair of right angle BNCs as well so that the connectors from the PR6 will point up. I haven't done any other measurements yet and it may cause interference with the plug from the microKEYER II going to the RS232 connector. If it does I'll have to use the short length BNC to BNC cables as indicated by Eric. Thought I'd mention it as a possibility. 73, Doug VE3MV - Original Message - From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" To: "Terry Schieler" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: PR6 6 Meter Preamp Installation > We designed thePR6 to mount with the double male BNCs and sell the > BNC-MM's just for this purpose. Its quite strong and we have never seen > a problem using it this way. > > Of course you can also use short lengths of Male-Male BNC cables to do > the same thing. > > I don't see an easy way to mount it inside the K3. > > 73, Eric > > > On 4/29/2010 9:29 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: >> True, Ken. However, my ultimate request was whether anyone has >> investigated >> the possibility of putting the PR6 totally *INSIDE* the K3? >> >> Terry, W0FM >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Ken Kopp [mailto:k...@rfwave.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:56 PM >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: PR6 6 Meter Preamp Installation >> >> My PR6 is connected with two 6" BNC<-> BNC cables. >> Connecting it using two "double male" BNC's seems >> like certain damage, sooner or later. (;-) >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
Rich, The K3 CW tuning is the way I like it - tune to a higher frequency and the pitch of the note gets higher. It just makes sense to me, and I hate radios that do it 'backwards'. 73, Don W3FPR Rich - K1HTV wrote: > Am I the only one who prefers to tune 'Up the Band' into a CW signal rather > than > from a frequency above a CW signal to receive it? Apparently not, since there > is > a 'CW-REV' button on the K3 as well as on many other radios. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
The CW-REV as configured on the K3 is essentially upper side band receive which is the way many receivers/transceivers such as my FT-101E were configured back in the Dark Ages. I suspect many people are used to it. Furthermore, the K3 tunes backwards compared to the FT-101E. I've had the K3 since October, 2009 and I seem to have adjusted, perhaps because the FT-101E hasn't been turned on since I got the K3. I wonder why? Dunc, W5DC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
Even though it is a matter of personal preference and not really critical, I agree with Rich, I find it easier to visualize it this way: higher pitch means the signal is higher in frequency and it fits with (CW-REV) you center the signal by turning VFO or RIT up(clockwise), or center it in your passband if you shift it up (clockwise) or notch an interferer to the right (clockwise) of the center frequency (all three match) If you use plain CW and the signal is high pitch then you center the signal by turning VFO or RIT down(COUNTERCLOCKWISE), or center in your passband if you shift it up (clockwise) -well reversed!- or notch an interferer to the right (clockwise) of the center (not all three movements match) Juan, EA5RS/EE5E -Mensaje original- De: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Don Wilhelm Enviado el: jueves, 29 de abril de 2010 23:58 Para: Rich - K1HTV CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; supp...@elecraft.com Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option Rich, The K3 CW tuning is the way I like it - tune to a higher frequency and the pitch of the note gets higher. It just makes sense to me, and I hate radios that do it 'backwards'. 73, Don W3FPR Rich - K1HTV wrote: > Am I the only one who prefers to tune 'Up the Band' into a CW signal rather than > from a frequency above a CW signal to receive it? Apparently not, since there is > a 'CW-REV' button on the K3 as well as on many other radios. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Informacisn de NOD32, revisisn 4576 (20091105) __ Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system http://www.nod32.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
For DXers, the standard for CW has always been USB. IE a higher pitch tone means a station higher in frequency. Very useful when looking for the "spot" when the DX is split and listening up. Also standard. CW USB on the K3 is indeed CW REV. LSB CW, for DXing, is considered backwards. To each his own. 73 - Steve WB6RSE On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: The K3 CW tuning is the way I like it - tune to a higher frequency and the pitch of the note gets higher. It just makes sense to me, and I hate radios that do it 'backwards'. 73, Don W3FPR Rich - K1HTV wrote: > Am I the only one who prefers to tune 'Up the Band' into a CW signal rather > than > from a frequency above a CW signal to receive it? Apparently not, since there > is > a 'CW-REV' button on the K3 as well as on many other radios. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
I am using CW-REV on my K3 with N1MM. On N1MM: Config/mode Control = Select Use Radio Mode (Default) 73 - Original Message - From: Rich - K1HTV To: supp...@elecraft.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option Am I the only one who prefers to tune 'Up the Band' into a CW signal rather than from a frequency above a CW signal to receive it? Apparently not, since there is a 'CW-REV' button on the K3 as well as on many other radios. Over the past 5 decades, I've become accustomed to tuning in CW stations from below the signal's transmitted frequency. Not all radios define 'CW' and 'CW-REV' the same way. The Kenwood TS850 and other Kenwood transceivers have the user tuning into CW signals from below. Using narrow bandwith, a CW signal quickly disappears as the receiver is tuned above the signal frequency. Icom radios and the K3 are the opposite, where the 'CW' mode has the user tuning in CW stations from above the signal's frequency. Users who wish to tune from below and into a signal must switch to 'CW-REV'. This is not a problem since the K3 remembers this preference on each band. However, when rig controlling software programs such as CT, N1MM, RXCLUS, etc. are used, every time the 'CW' mode command is sent by the program to the K3, the radio switches to the 'CW' mode rather that the prefered 'CW-REV' mode. Would it be possible to have a CONFIG setting which would allow the user to define 'CW' and 'CW-REV' modes, that is, the way of tuning into CW signal frequencies (lower to higher or higher to lower)? If this option was available, when radio controlling software sent a generic 'CW' mode change to the K3, it would respond by switching to the user's prefered way (CW or CW-REV) of tuning into CW signals. What say? 73, Rich - K1HTV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
There is one radio on the market that I am aware of that uses UCW and LCW thus with the press of a button you have either of your choices. Your preference doesn't seem at all strange to me. The software that I use to control the radio offeres UCW and LCW modes. 73 Bob, K4TAX - Original Message - From: "Rich - K1HTV" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option > Am I the only one who prefers to tune 'Up the Band' into a CW signal > rather than > from a frequency above a CW signal to receive it? Apparently not, since > there is > a 'CW-REV' button on the K3 as well as on many other radios. > > Over the past 5 decades, I've become accustomed to tuning in CW stations > from > below the signal's transmitted frequency. Not all radios define 'CW' and > 'CW-REV' the same way. The Kenwood TS850 and other Kenwood transceivers > have the > user tuning into CW signals from below. Using narrow bandwith, a CW signal > quickly disappears as the receiver is tuned above the signal frequency. > Icom > radios and the K3 are the opposite, where the 'CW' mode has the user > tuning in > CW stations from above the signal's frequency. Users who wish to tune > from > below and into a signal must switch to 'CW-REV'. This is not a problem > since the > K3 remembers this preference on each band. > > However, when rig controlling software programs such as CT, N1MM, RXCLUS, > etc. > are used, every time the 'CW' mode command is sent by the program to the > K3, the > radio switches to the 'CW' mode rather that the prefered 'CW-REV' mode. > > Would it be possible to have a CONFIG setting which would allow the user > to > define 'CW' and 'CW-REV' modes, that is, the way of tuning into CW signal > frequencies (lower to higher or higher to lower)? If this option was > available, > when radio controlling software sent a generic 'CW' mode change to the K3, > it > would respond by switching to the user's prefered way (CW or CW-REV) of > tuning > into CW signals. > > What say? > > 73, > Rich - K1HTV > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
On 4/29/2010 5:42 PM, Rich - K1HTV wrote: > However, when rig controlling software programs such as CT, N1MM, > RXCLUS, etc. are used, every time the 'CW' mode command is sent by > the program to the K3, the radio switches to the 'CW' mode rather > that the prefered 'CW-REV' mode. There is no need to change the K3. N1MM Logger and other well designed programs (e.g., DXLab Suite) allow the user to select CW or CW-Rev as the default when changing bands or "clicking on a spot." RTFM ... Why add something more to the K3 that will just provide more chance of confusing the user when well designed software deals with the radio just fine as it is? 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
Steve, Interesting -- I never really gave it much thought, except I preferred LSB CW for the reason I stated - it keeps *my* head straight. It may be a thing more common to the QRP community. Anyway, Wayne designed the K2 and K3 normal CW to be LSB, and the K1 is always LSB. In the K2, just hold the REV button and it switches sidebands, and on the K3 the sideband is remembered per band, so that can keep all of us happy. If you want it the other way 'round, just hold the REV button, and you have your preference. 73, Don W3FPR wb6r...@mac.com wrote: > For DXers, the standard for CW has always been USB. IE a higher pitch tone > means a station higher in frequency. Very useful when looking for the "spot" > when the DX is split and listening up. Also standard. CW USB on the K3 is > indeed CW REV. LSB CW, for DXing, is considered backwards. To each his own. > > 73 - Steve WB6RSE > > > On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > The K3 CW tuning is the way I like it - tune to a higher frequency and > the pitch of the note gets higher. It just makes sense to me, and I > hate radios that do it 'backwards'. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] P3 weak sig detection / 2m internal transverter
Question#1 This may be a question for Dick Divendorf or "P3 beta testers". I use a K3/10 as my IF for VHF/UHF and Microwave operations. I am always looking for WEAK signals. My K3 has a SoftRock driven by a buffer amp on the IF port for a Panadapter and it works very well. I can see signals too weak to work by about 5db using "Rocky" software spectrum display. Rocky's "slow waterfall" is slightly better in detecting weak signals, but to what degree in db, I have not determined. For me, other software like PowerSDR does not display the really weak signals as well. My question, is there anything in the P3's operation that would offer any better weak signal detection? Any direct observations between the P3 and other panadapter systems with the K3. Question#2 Anyone out there have any weak signal experience with the 2m internal transverter yet. It's tempting, but I need very low level 144Mhz (a few milliwatts) to drive the high band transverters as well 10watts or so for 2m drive for 2m amplifiers. I am doing that with an external DEM 2m transverter at the moment. I may need more flexibility of levels than may be easily obtained with the internal xverter. For you weak signal types... EME etc ... how is the internal xverter stacking up? THANKS and 73 Bill K0AWU EN37ed __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
I agree Rich. After a string of Kenwood rigs starting with a TS 820S, I've gotten used to tuning from the bottom of the band. MacLoggerDX allows me to map the program so that clicking on a CW spot delivers CW-R. 73 Gary W7TEA - 73, Gary W7TEA K3 #1001 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-CW-REV-config-option-tp4982568p4983009.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
>There is no need to change the K3... >Why add something more to the K3 that will just provide more chance of confusing the user... Well then, let's just freeze the K3 as it is today, and not make further software or hardware changes. VE7XF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
Bob, If that "one" radio is something other than an Elecraft brand, change that "one" to "at least 5". The K2 and the K3 will switch sidebands at the touch of a button too (actually a hold). My Yaesu 847 has quick CW sideband switching as does the FT-817, and my Yaesu FT-900 also allows the user to select the CW sideband, but it is not as quick and easy as on the K2 or K3 or the other Yaesus. I have all mine set to LSB CW! The Yaesu default is to USB CW, while the K2 and K3 default is to LSB CW - it is very easily changed - just hold the REV button. Interaction with logging software may be a different consideration, read the documentation for your preferred application for the details. Some will follow the transceiver settings, while others may try to "do it their way". If you have problems with that aspect, contact the software author. 73, Don W3FPR Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > There is one radio on the market that I am aware of that uses UCW and LCW > thus with the press of a button you have either of your choices. Your > preference doesn't seem at all strange to me. The software that I use to > control the radio offeres UCW and LCW modes. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
- Original Message - From: Ralph Parker To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option >There is no need to change the K3... >Why add something more to the K3 that will just provide more chance of confusing the user... Well then, let's just freeze the K3 as it is today, and not make further software or hardware changes. VE7XF Then we could call it a KenYaecom! Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF Innisfail, QLD Australia. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 not turning off
Bill I suspect that Glenn's K3 turns on OK from the front panel switch, like mine. Glenn Much of May 2009 was spent troubleshooting this exact issue with S/N 071: the inability to power down the K3 from the front panel. Power on is fine. I performed numerous modifications (including the 12v sense, of course), diagnostics/measurements, replacement of a surface mount component, and replaced the FP board twice, all as directed but without resolution. However, the K3 shuts off using the "PS0;" command from the utility program. Given that workaround, my decision was to postpone sending it back for repair to see if a solution appeared over time - maybe something I could do myself. Our problems may not be identical, but if you're interested please contact me off reflector for the extensive troubleshooting email thread. Elecraft support during the troubleshooting phase was excellent, as always, but some issues defy remote diagnoses. If I were willing to part with the beloved K3 for factory repair, the problem would have been resolved a long time ago! 73, John K1JD Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 04:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill W4ZV Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 not turning off To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: <1272455717487-4974007.p...@n2.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glenn VK4FZ wrote: > > My K3 (S/N 544) is no longer turning off properlythe 12v sense mod is > done, any ideas for further investigation > I'd next try the remote Power Off command (PS0) via the K3 Utility. If that works and the power switch does not, then you might have a defective switch. 73, Bill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
No problem here with the radios or the logging software or the remote control software. At least there is a choice. 73 Bob, K4TAX - Original Message - From: "Don Wilhelm" To: "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" Cc: "Rich - K1HTV" ; ; Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option > Bob, > > If that "one" radio is something other than an Elecraft brand, change that > "one" to "at least 5". The K2 and the K3 will switch sidebands at the > touch of a button too (actually a hold). My Yaesu 847 has quick CW > sideband switching as does the FT-817, and my Yaesu FT-900 also allows the > user to select the CW sideband, but it is not as quick and easy as on the > K2 or K3 or the other Yaesus. I have all mine set to LSB CW! > > The Yaesu default is to USB CW, while the K2 and K3 default is to LSB CW - > it is very easily changed - just hold the REV button. > Interaction with logging software may be a different consideration, read > the documentation for your preferred application for the details. Some > will follow the transceiver settings, while others may try to "do it their > way". If you have problems with that aspect, contact the software author. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: >> There is one radio on the market that I am aware of that uses UCW and LCW >> thus with the press of a button you have either of your choices. Your >> preference doesn't seem at all strange to me. The software that I use to >> control the radio offeres UCW and LCW modes. >> > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
>Am I the only one who prefers to tune 'Up the Band' into a CW signal... >...when rig controlling software programs such as CT, N1MM, RXCLUS, etc... >...radio switches to the 'CW' mode rather that the prefered 'CW-REV' mode. >Would it be possible to have a CONFIG setting which would allow... My pet peeve too! I whined about this a number of months ago, and was assured that it was on the "feature request" list. Nothing yet - maybe on the next revision (hint, hint). VE7XF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
Rather let's not keep adding nit-picking changed to Wayne's list so he can concentrate on more important items that add functionality rather than repackage the same old features. This is, after all, an Elecraft transceiver. If you want a rig that operates just like a Kenwood, go buy a Kenwood. Similarly, if you want a radio that operates like an Icom, buy an Icom. It's not a matter of freezing the K3, it's a matter of smart application of resources and spending time to provide options to copy the idiosyncrasies of other vendor's user interface is not a good use of resources. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/29/2010 7:50 PM, Ralph Parker wrote: >> There is no need to change the K3... >> Why add something more to the K3 that will just provide more chance of > confusing the user... > > Well then, let's just freeze the K3 as it is today, and not make further > software or hardware changes. > > VE7XF > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 not turning off
I saw one case something like this when something was connected to one of the back panel connections that provided enough voltage to keep the MCU alive (I think it's a 3.3V device) If you remove all the connectors from the K3 back panel (except the Anderson power pole +12V supply, of course), does the radio shut down reliably? Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JohnK1JD Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:02 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 not turning off Bill I suspect that Glenn's K3 turns on OK from the front panel switch, like mine. Glenn Much of May 2009 was spent troubleshooting this exact issue with S/N 071: the inability to power down the K3 from the front panel. Power on is fine. I performed numerous modifications (including the 12v sense, of course), diagnostics/measurements, replacement of a surface mount component, and replaced the FP board twice, all as directed but without resolution. However, the K3 shuts off using the "PS0;" command from the utility program. Given that workaround, my decision was to postpone sending it back for repair to see if a solution appeared over time - maybe something I could do myself. Our problems may not be identical, but if you're interested please contact me off reflector for the extensive troubleshooting email thread. Elecraft support during the troubleshooting phase was excellent, as always, but some issues defy remote diagnoses. If I were willing to part with the beloved K3 for factory repair, the problem would have been resolved a long time ago! 73, John K1JD Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 04:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill W4ZV Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 not turning off To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: <1272455717487-4974007.p...@n2.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glenn VK4FZ wrote: > > My K3 (S/N 544) is no longer turning off properlythe 12v sense mod is > done, any ideas for further investigation > I'd next try the remote Power Off command (PS0) via the K3 Utility. If that works and the power switch does not, then you might have a defective switch. 73, Bill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] W2IHY 8 band equalizer and EQ Plus
Hi Lu. Schematics for the K3 are downloadable PDF on the Elecraft website. Many questions can be answered right off just digging into the drawings. I find the ability in Adobe Reader to search in the PDF text very useful for finding stuff. Device specifics are in the schematic, so I guess you could go looking for a manufacturers technical writeup and figure out the granularity from that. I think that some of what you are calling "punching" really is just the K3 dealing with sudden power spikes. Professional microphone technique would not include very soft followed by very loud. The K3 is interpreting the loudest audio as being the intentional "top" of your speaking pattern and is setting power management to NOT punch out the amp and cause ALC spikes coming back from the amp. This effect would be further exacerbated if all of the various TX power calibrations had not been done correctly, as it will be further exacerbated if the users manual MIC/CMP/PWR setting procedure is not used. The terms you are using to describe the K3's internal functioning will remain speculative unless Wayne publishes stuff, and our thought patterns still have have that analog, sequential function sound to them : >) K3 has a digital transmit envelope management function that should be preceded by proper TX gain calibrations, and the user manual MIC/CMP/PWR setting. 73, Guy. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Luis V. Romero wrote: > Some quick questions (yeah, I know I said I would stop, but I cant help it, > I want to understand!) > >>"...a Pre-DSP two band audio leveler/AGC and handles for Attack, Decay and > Ratio on the RF Clipper." >> >>That is, prior to Digital Signal Processing, or before analog is converted > to digital. > > Where exactly does the input to the TX DSP section (OK, IF section) hit an > ADC? Where do we move from the Analog domain to the Digital domain? Where > is the "quantizer" for the mic input? Would make sense if it was before the > Clipper, right? > >>In your headroom explanation, is there a common instance of microphone ADC > saturation that needs to be reported? >That's a pretty seventh-grade > mistake on Wayne's part if it's true. (Yeah, I know, the first Hubble > lenses, and >the unit snafu on the Mars landers, also very seventh-grade.) > > I don't believe that's it at all. I can punch holes into the audio if I > speak softly then speak loudly. Sounds to me like there is some kind of > compression happening (that is why I first incorrectly assumed that this > thing used a compressor not a kind of IF/RF Clipper). What happens is that > the radio grabs the loud syllable and holds off from releasing the gain > reduction for a bit, then recovers. If you hit it with something loud, then > something soft, you hear the hole. The decay of whatever is grabbing the > peak is slower than the attack. There is no overshoot that I can discern > with my ears, as the firmware must be dropping audio into a buffer and > setting the response in kind. I once heard people complain about delay in > the monitor, I do hear a very slight one. So there must be a look ahead > buffer that computes the response to the peak. All I'm saying is that it > would be nice to have a handle on at least the decay, so it can more match > the attack. Probably cant do that as it would create more delay in the > monitor. It's a fine line. > >> > "What I was suggesting is an AGC funtion before the RF Clipping section > touches the audio waveform. Something to smooth out the dynamic range of > the audio input so that the DSP processing engine would not have to work so > hard dealing with peaks and valleys and can be "let loose" some." > > Elecraft is already accomplishing envelope leveling and shaping with digital > functions that don't appear to >resemble the sledge and wedge of RF clipping > and AF variable band amplifiers. SOME folks get excellent results using the > K3's leveling and shaping processes for TX audio. I would hate to bring up > RTFM on setting up K3 mic gain and compression, but the manual procedure > does seem to work. >> > > I would like to get a better understanding of the process that is used here. > I do use the manual settings, It does work well, and does sound good, but I > would like to understand what is happening under the hood better so I can > better adapt to what this rig likes to hear, which, to me, is consistent > levels. My old admittedly analog rig was less picky and had much more room > to play with (when I let it). Hopefully that is not Elecraft Secret Sauce. > >> > AND, since there is NO analog audio band circuitry in there anywhere, BUT > there ARE banded TX and RX equalizer functions being done in the number > soup, whose gains are being set by NUMBERS we enter in the menu, what makes > us think he hasn't already done something proprietary about "banded gain" > which he is developing further and is not about to reveal so the competition > can't copy it for free? >> > > This
Re: [Elecraft] Fw: PR6 6 Meter Preamp Installation
I just mounted mine and find the connections to be very strong, almost too much so to get them on. The issue I have is getting a Y connector for the PR6 and other needs. I would love for Elecraft to offer one of these, Eric. I have everything factory installed in my K3 except general coverage. Working on getting it all hooked up and working. Have also order the P3. (Would love to Beta.) Bill K9YEQ K2 and KX1 field tester, K3 and modules -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:13 PM To: Terry Schieler Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: PR6 6 Meter Preamp Installation We designed thePR6 to mount with the double male BNCs and sell the BNC-MM's just for this purpose. Its quite strong and we have never seen a problem using it this way. Of course you can also use short lengths of Male-Male BNC cables to do the same thing. I don't see an easy way to mount it inside the K3. 73, Eric On 4/29/2010 9:29 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: > True, Ken. However, my ultimate request was whether anyone has investigated > the possibility of putting the PR6 totally *INSIDE* the K3? > > Terry, W0FM > > -Original Message- > From: Ken Kopp [mailto:k...@rfwave.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:56 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: PR6 6 Meter Preamp Installation > > My PR6 is connected with two 6" BNC<-> BNC cables. > Connecting it using two "double male" BNC's seems > like certain damage, sooner or later. (;-) > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
I would also agree to leave the K3 as-is. I don't see why there needs to be more ways to set USB and LSB just hold CW-Rev to get to the other one. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-CW-REV-config-option-tp4982568p4983548.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] -- SPAM -- RE: K3 not turning off
Dick I removed every other option in the radio, including the RS-232 interface board, the PA and the sub RX. The radio still did not shut off from the front panel switch. Thanks, John K1JD -- From: "Dick Dievendorff" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:22 PM To: "'JohnK1JD'" ; "'Elecraft Reflector'" Subject: -- SPAM -- RE: [Elecraft] K3 not turning off > I saw one case something like this when something was connected to one of > the back panel connections that provided enough voltage to keep the MCU > alive (I think it's a 3.3V device) > > If you remove all the connectors from the K3 back panel (except the > Anderson > power pole +12V supply, of course), does the radio shut down reliably? > > Dick, K6KR > > > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JohnK1JD > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:02 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 not turning off > > Bill > I suspect that Glenn's K3 turns on OK from the front panel switch, like > mine. > > Glenn > Much of May 2009 was spent troubleshooting this exact issue with S/N 071: > the inability to power down the K3 from the front panel. Power on is fine. > I > performed numerous modifications (including the 12v sense, of course), > diagnostics/measurements, replacement of a surface mount component, and > replaced the FP board twice, all as directed but without resolution. > However, the K3 shuts off using the "PS0;" command from the utility > program. > Given that workaround, my decision was to postpone sending it back for > repair to see if a solution appeared over time - maybe something I could > do > myself. Our problems may not be identical, but if you're interested please > contact me off reflector for the extensive troubleshooting email thread. > > Elecraft support during the troubleshooting phase was excellent, as > always, > but some issues defy remote diagnoses. If I were willing to part with the > beloved K3 for factory repair, the problem would have been resolved a long > time ago! > > 73, > John K1JD > > > > > Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 04:55:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bill W4ZV > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 not turning off > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Message-ID: <1272455717487-4974007.p...@n2.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Glenn VK4FZ wrote: >> >> My K3 (S/N 544) is no longer turning off properlythe 12v sense mod is >> done, any ideas for further investigation >> > > I'd next try the remote Power Off command (PS0) via the K3 Utility. If > that > works and the power switch does not, then you might have a defective > switch. > > 73, Bill > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
I also thought that Wayne put it on the "feature request" list sometime last fall. I hope he did. CW REV seems natural to me and with some effort I got Logic 8 to handle it but it would be so much easier, at the risk of confusing some individuals, if there were a configuration entry to flip the definitions of CW and CW REV. I love the people who say "I don't use that - you don't need it - don't implement it!". Please, if you don't want it, just don't use it if it gets implemented. 73, Ted, W2ZK On 4/29/2010 7:43 PM, Ralph Parker wrote: >> Am I the only one who prefers to tune 'Up the Band' into a CW signal... >> ...when rig controlling software programs such as CT, N1MM, RXCLUS, etc... >> ...radio switches to the 'CW' mode rather that the prefered 'CW-REV' mode. >> Would it be possible to have a CONFIG setting which would allow... >> > My pet peeve too! > I whined about this a number of months ago, and was assured that it was on > the "feature request" list. > Nothing yet - maybe on the next revision (hint, hint). > > VE7XF > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K1-Something interesting about the inventory
No, no, no... I wouldn't worry. Just make sure you do an inventory of the inventory...Honestly, I was so excited, I couldn't wait to start. I thought doing a thorough inventory of the part was enough... I just didn't lay out all the bags that had to be inventoried... I went straight to the bag from the box to inventory... I hope that makes sense. Another thing... Richard in elecraft parts is awesome. He sent everything first class usps and never did it take more than two days to vet fro California to Virginia Beach, Virginia... Bravo Elecraft. Greg Doughty On Apr 29, 2010, at 10:33 PM, "Terry-N4RQ [via Elecraft]" wrote: > Greg, > You have me worried I just ordered my K1 should be here next week, > let me know what to watch out for. > keep me posted on your progress. > 73's Terry N4RQ > > View message @ > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-Something-interesting-about-the-inventory-tp4924771p4983614.html > To unsubscribe from K1-Something interesting about the inventory, > click here. > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-Something-interesting-about-the-inventory-tp4924771p4983703.html Sent from the [K1] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
>I love the people who say "I don't use that - you don't need it - don't implement it!".< Mostly they're just saying "the rig already does that - RTFM" hi hi. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-CW-REV-config-option-tp4982568p4983749.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] W2IHY 8 band equalizer and EQ Plus
Thanks Guy and Don. Don, I apologize for my muddled email. My fault, not yours. I will look closer at the system schematics so as to discover the flow of the process when I have some time.Thanks for pointing out some of the nuances from your perspectives. What I call "punching holes in the audio" is exactly that... If you have a short loud sound followed by a soft one, part of the soft one goes away due to the attack/decay ratio of whatever magic waveform modification process is at work in this rig. Analog monolithic compressors do this when the attack is set faster than the decay on short duration spikes. I have adapted to the way this process "thinks". I was just curious to the way it was programmed to "think" and looking for a way, other than hang a AGC at the mic input, to manage the process better. However it works, it works quite well. But the smoother the waveform going in, the smoother the waveform is going out. May we live in interesting digital times indeed! -lu-w4lt- -Original Message- From: guyk...@gmail.com [mailto:guyk...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:30 PM To: lrom...@ij.net Cc: d...@w3fpr.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W2IHY 8 band equalizer and EQ Plus Hi Lu. Schematics for the K3 are downloadable PDF on the Elecraft website. Many questions can be answered right off just digging into the drawings. I find the ability in Adobe Reader to search in the PDF text very useful for finding stuff. Device specifics are in the schematic, so I guess you could go looking for a manufacturers technical writeup and figure out the granularity from that. I think that some of what you are calling "punching" really is just the K3 dealing with sudden power spikes. Professional microphone technique would not include very soft followed by very loud. The K3 is interpreting the loudest audio as being the intentional "top" of your speaking pattern and is setting power management to NOT punch out the amp and cause ALC spikes coming back from the amp. This effect would be further exacerbated if all of the various TX power calibrations had not been done correctly, as it will be further exacerbated if the users manual MIC/CMP/PWR setting procedure is not used. The terms you are using to describe the K3's internal functioning will remain speculative unless Wayne publishes stuff, and our thought patterns still have have that analog, sequential function sound to them : >) K3 has a digital transmit envelope management function that should be preceded by proper TX gain calibrations, and the user manual MIC/CMP/PWR setting. 73, Guy. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Luis V. Romero wrote: > Some quick questions (yeah, I know I said I would stop, but I cant > help it, I want to understand!) > >>"...a Pre-DSP two band audio leveler/AGC and handles for Attack, Decay >>and > Ratio on the RF Clipper." >> >>That is, prior to Digital Signal Processing, or before analog is >>converted > to digital. > > Where exactly does the input to the TX DSP section (OK, IF section) > hit an ADC? Where do we move from the Analog domain to the Digital > domain? Where is the "quantizer" for the mic input? Would make sense > if it was before the Clipper, right? > >>In your headroom explanation, is there a common instance of microphone >>ADC > saturation that needs to be reported? >That's a pretty seventh-grade > mistake on Wayne's part if it's true. (Yeah, I know, the first Hubble > lenses, and >the unit snafu on the Mars landers, also very > seventh-grade.) > > I don't believe that's it at all. I can punch holes into the audio if > I speak softly then speak loudly. Sounds to me like there is some > kind of compression happening (that is why I first incorrectly assumed > that this thing used a compressor not a kind of IF/RF Clipper). What > happens is that the radio grabs the loud syllable and holds off from > releasing the gain reduction for a bit, then recovers. If you hit it > with something loud, then something soft, you hear the hole. The > decay of whatever is grabbing the peak is slower than the attack. > There is no overshoot that I can discern with my ears, as the firmware > must be dropping audio into a buffer and setting the response in kind. > I once heard people complain about delay in the monitor, I do hear a > very slight one. So there must be a look ahead buffer that computes > the response to the peak. All I'm saying is that it would be nice to > have a handle on at least the decay, so it can more match the attack. > Probably cant do that as it would create more delay in the monitor. It's a fine line. > >> > "What I was suggesting is an AGC funtion before the RF Clipping > section touches the audio waveform. Something to smooth out the > dynamic range of the audio input so that the DSP processing engine > would not have to work so hard dealing with peaks and valleys and can be "
Re: [Elecraft] Electret microphone wiring
Thanks you very much Tom and Jim for the detailed responses. I have to test my microphone for RFI. Jim, very interesting technical web page. I have explained my easy to make microphone in my web page. Sorry, it is only in spanish but the pictures speak for themselves. http://ea1abz.ure.es/microk3/microk3.html See you on the air (mainly in CW, my favorite mode, hi) Ramiro. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] W2IHY 8 band equalizer and EQ Plus
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:22:40 -0400, Luis V. Romero wrote: >What I call "punching holes in the audio" is exactly that... If you have a >short loud sound followed by a soft one, part of the soft one goes away due >to the attack/decay ratio YES! This is a very common problem generated by low frequency sounds like P-popping (which is really a blast of air from your mouth hitting mic diaphram when you pronounce a P-sound), and is a major reason why it's important to roll off the low end before it hits the compressor. It's also a big reason why multi-band compression is such a good idea, as Tom was talking about. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Strange problem last night in my K3
Hi all, I do not know if this is a problem in my K3 or I made some mistake with K3 buttons because of I was falling asleep. Last night I was ready to do some broadcast AM listening and entered 5040 kHz on the keyboard. Frequency did not change. Tried three times and it did not work. I moved VFO A and VFO B and frequency did no change. I pressed up and down buttons in the microphone and frecuency changed. After that, VFO A and B worked again. Was this a K3 failure or it was my mistake? What dou you think? Thanks in advance Ramiro EA4NZ, ex EA1ABX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Electret microphone wiring
Very interesting, Ramiro, I might give that a go. Good to see that the ABS plastic box is clearly marked "MADE IN ENGLAND". Unfortunately we don't see that as much as we used to ;-( 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Ramiro Aceves wrote ... > >Thanks you very much Tom and Jim for the detailed responses. I have to >test my microphone for RFI. Jim, very interesting technical web page. > >I have explained my easy to make microphone in my web page. Sorry, it is >only in spanish but the pictures speak for themselves. > >http://ea1abz.ure.es/microk3/microk3.html > >See you on the air (mainly in CW, my favorite mode, hi) > >Ramiro. -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] CW/CW-REV config option
I hardly see the value of extrapolating to the absurd to try to defend your position. Dave AB7E On 4/29/2010 4:50 PM, Ralph Parker wrote: > Well then, let's just freeze the K3 as it is today, and not make further > software or hardware changes. > > VE7XF > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
