[Elecraft] [XV] K3 locks up when XV connected
I have had my XV-144 and XV-432 disconnected for some time while working some issues with Elecraft Support. I am now hooking everything back up again, but when I attach the control cable from the XV to the K3 the K3 locks up and will not respond to any control inputs, including the PWR button. When I disconnect the control line, the K3 comes back. I have a PR6, Top Ten Band Decoder, P3, and the XVs all sharing the ACC line. This worked fine before, but I remember having this problem also in the past but I cannot remember what I did to fix it. TX INH setting? Does anyone know? Thanks es 73, Eric WD6DBM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Amazon Shipping
I read with interest the comments re headset - Koss, Yamaha etcand the widely advertised Amazon (free shipping etc) Experimentally I tried going through the actions of ordering a Koss 45 -and I have an Amazon account) Surprise surprise, I get the error message (we cannot ship to your address)As I am registered both in England and Australia with Amazon addresses, I tried both and get the same result. Fortunately on the relatively rare occasions when I use Fone, It is with a 20 pence electret insert home brew mic into my K3rear socket and this invariably returns unsolicited reports of superb audio. The works with exactly the same EQ settings I use for the bulky MH2 Elecraft mic I (regretfully) purchased when I bought the K3. I have also tried computer type headsets, which of course need the addition of a PTT switch and these work quite well too, but not up the the 20 pence quality! David G3SCD / VK3DBD. On 8/15/2012 9:09 AM, Tom Boucher wrote: Mike, This is the quote from the Yamaha CM500 advert on Amazon: In Stock. We are not able to ship this item to your default shipping address. 73 Tom G3OLB Amazon ships worldwide, with some restrictions. Their site says the Yamaha CM500 qualifies (consumer electronics). .. 73, Mike NF4L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Amazon Shipping
I find the K3 VOX to be excellent. 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) Commandment Number One for any truly civilized society is this: Let people be different. -David Grayson [pen name of Ray Stannard Baker], journalist, author (1870-1946) On 16 Aug 2012, at 10:00, David Dunn wrote: I have also tried computer type headsets, which of course need the addition of a PTT switch and these work quite well too, but not up the the 20 pence quality! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 direct conversion system
Hi Wayne, I appreciate the announcement from Elecraft. I tried RX ISO function, and the leaked signal was disappeared or canceled -25dB approx. on 6m measuring with my rough s-meter. Let me know any notice other than current consumption, if you have so far and can open. What a deep handy! Jun, JI1TLL CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net From: n...@elecraft.com To: ji1...@jarl.com Subject: Re: KX3 direct conversion system Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:07:08 -0700 須崎 純 (Jun) wrote: I built KX3 kit (S/N830) up last week after fixing some errors. As soon as trying some functions, I found it's really a direct conversion system. A weak leaked signal was observed with another receiver just on the watching frequency. You can reduce the KX3's VFO signal leakage to another receiver nearby by setting MENU:RX ISO to ON. Yes, it is similar to direct conversion, except that there are two channels (I and Q, like other SDRs), allowing for image rejection. The KX3 uses this architecture rather than superhet to provide the SDR feature, as well as to reduce the number of stages, allowing the unit to be very compact. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 direct conversion system
Hello Johnny, Exactly! I'll be there (Tokyo big site) on 25-26th, almost at booth J-08. I expected to touch KX3 there last year, but regrettably no information in Japan. At that time, I didn't forecast the 'X'mas order'. Hope to see you there. Jun JI1TLL Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:52:11 +0800 From: vr2...@yahoo.com.hk Subject: KX3 direct conversion system To: ji1...@jarl.com CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Hello Jun, Will go to the Tokyo Ham Fair next week? I will be there next week. I could possibly wonder around the A1 club, Tokyo International Amateur Radio Association, Icom or JARL booths. TNX 73, Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ 須崎 純一 ji1...@jarl.com 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2012年08月16日 (週四) 12:34 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] KX3 direct conversion system Hi Matt, Thanks for your quick response. The function is sometimes effective especially in Tokyo. The current consumption +10mA is not ignorable in outdoor. Thank you again for useful information. Jun, JI1TLL From: mzil...@magellangps.com To: ji1...@jarl.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:49:18 -0700 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KX3 direct conversion system Hi Jun, If you haven't tried it, set RX ISO to ON. This enables an isolation amplifier that keeps the LO greatly attenuated outside the KX3. The amp draws something like 10 mA, so use it only when you need it. 73, Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ?? ?? Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:03 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 direct conversion system Hi all, I built KX3 kit (S/N830) up last week after fixing some errors. As soon as trying some functions, I found it's really a direct conversion system. A weak leaked signal was observed with another receiver just on the watching frequency. In my boyhood, I built Mizuho DC-701 which was a copy model of Heathkit HW-7. DC-701 also adopted direct conversion system and my local station could detect my receiving point. The leaked signal from KX3 is not so strong as that of DC-701 and almost no problem. Direct conversion with DSP system will be possibly adopted in higher class transceiver. DC on 2m is interesting, however, challenging. So transverter is reasonable solution and I'm expecting the module again. Many thanks for proposing the innovated equipment. The block diagram shows the transmission system is also 'direct conversion'. The local oscillating frequency seems to be basically equal to the transmission frequency. Is it correct? Just one more twitting. The optional microphone looks something a little cheap, because it's same as that of Chinese kit KN7Qa. Jun, JI1TLL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
Hi, This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at today's pricing. We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where our costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on which other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.) Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not have any additional information. As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible, and to absorb cost increases where ever possible. 73, Eric www.elecraft.com _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K2] KAT100 odd behavior cured by reset of KPA100?
On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Bill, That makes sense to me. With KPA100 U6 removed, the KPA100 is not able to control power properly. Turning the PA off in the menu restores the KAT100 to proper operation with the base K2. OK, so if the KPA100 has U6 removed, but a KAT100 is attached, then the system will use the EL5146C in the KAT100, and disable that in the KPA100, correct? But, this circuit is only used while transmitting, not while receiving, correct? Still doesn't explain the weird turn-on behavior, or the not inst messages that were cured by turning the KPA100 Off and later back on in the PA menu. Because there is no transmission involved at all. Just turning the unit on, using the power knob, Ant1/2 button, and looking at the ATU menu. 73, Son W3FPR On 8/14/2012 1:37 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: OK, I had a failure of U6 EL5146C on my KPA100, which caused me to lose the RS-232 port, since the 5 V to power the MAX 232 chip was no longer present. Once I figured this out, I was troubleshooting the rig on the bench, and I was having trouble with the KAT100. My observations: * The KAT100 would not turn on immediately with the K2/100. It would take several seconds for it's lights to come on after the K2/100 powered on. A check of Q1 and Q2 revealed that they were working as expected. * Once on, the KAT100 would not respond to K2/100 control changes. Swinging the power control from low to high power would sometimes, but not always cause the KAT100 to change from low to high power and vice versa. * When activating the Tune or Ant1/2 functions, the K2/100 would respond with not inst. Which is weird. * Looking at the primary K2/100 Menu showed the ATU selection showing --. Pressing the display button resulted in PA Ant1 Trying to diagnose this further, I ended up going to the K2/100 Menu for the PA and turned the PA off. After this, the KAT100 responded properly to all commands, and the ATU menu showed the menu items. Turning the PA menu back on and everything works. Weird. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: aa...@mac.com Quote: Boot, you transistorized tormentor! Boot! -- Archibald Asparagus, VeggieTales Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: aa...@arrl.net Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: Not within a thousand years will man ever fly! -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K1] No power out
Don, First of all I couldn't have solved this without your help. Thanks very much. Elecraft should be paying you for your services. The symptom was no power out during the band alignment of a 2-band filter board in 9. Alignment and Test, Part II. Here is a recap of what it took to fix this problem: It quickly became obvious that I needed an RF probe. I ordered kit RFPROBE from Elecraft. It arrived here in about 2 days. Almost everything else I did was at the direction of Don W3FPR. The first symptom he attacked was: no voltage on FIL-P1 Pin 6. 1. Peaked the RF voltage on the left side of C3 using L1. 2. Peaked the right side of C3 using L2. 3. Did the same for C8 using L3 and L4. 4. Peaked the voltage at FIL-P1 Pin 6 on both bands. 5. Now I reran all the steps in 7. Alignment and Test, Part I to get the receiver aligned. Still no transmit power. 6. Started Transmitter Signal Tracing as described in Appendix E, Troubleshooting. 7. Everything looked good up to the BPF (bandpass filter) test point where the voltage was zero. 8. Checked Band 2 (20 meters) and it was fine. 9. Pulled the filter board to inspect the solder joints in the Band 1 bandpass filter area. Found a couple that looked iffy. 10. Re-soldered the joints that looked incomplete and reflowed most of the others. 11. Re-installed the filter board and now had 2 Watts out on both bands. I wish the RF probe was included in the K1 kit, but at least it was available for ordering at a reasonable price. Learned a lot. Looking forward to finishing and getting the K1 on the air. 73, Bob KD2UJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: KX3 a K3 killer - Sherwood RX Test Numbers Posted
rich_ve3ki wrote: This points out the importance of understanding what the test results actually mean. The KX3's 104 dB dynamic range figure reflects an idealized condition where there are only two signals on the band, separated by exactly 2 kHz. Under those specific conditions, the KX3's dynamic range is slightly better than the K3's. However, if the separation of the two signals were changed to 1 kHz (or with the 8 kHz shift turned on, 16 kHz), then according to the data in the Sherwood table the KX3's effective dynamic range would be closer to 65 dB, which would place the KX3 a long way down the list. This interpretation is incorrect. There's an important distinction to be made between an opposite sideband image and third-order IMD. An opposite-sideband image is a completely linear response to one strong nearby station. An IMDDR3 image is a nonlinear product of two (or more) signals. So, comparing the 104 and 65 dB numbers in Sherwood's table is a case of apples and oranges. The 65 dB number simply reflects an inability to *measure* the IMD number, because it masked by the opposite sideband image. Not only that, the OSB image was measured at 1 kHz, while the other numbers (104 and 97 dB) were measured at the offset indicated in the table: 2 kHz. A receiver that really does have a 2-kHz IMDDR3 number in the mid-60s (say, an IC-7000, FT-2000, TS-520) will fare far worse than the KX3 under all conditions, because the IMD products can originate from many combinations of nearby strong signals. In stark contrast, the KX3's 65 dB number only applies to one extremely strong signal that is nearly on top of you and just happens to have its image at the same pitch as the desired signal. If the pitch were even slightly different, you could eliminate it just by narrowing the DSP passband using the PBT control. I can understand why Rob put the OSB image number in the table, but it's important to clarify exactly what it means in the real world. It is not the same as IMD. Wayne N6KR __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (81) RECENT ACTIVITY: New Members 41 New Photos 10 Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K2] KAT100 odd behavior cured by reset of KPA100?
Bill, I guess I was not clear - if the KPA100 firmware is recognized by the base K2, then the K2 will try to use the KPA100 wattmeter (not the one in the KAT100). However, it will fail because the EL5146 has been removed - that causes the K2 MCU to think there is no power output, when in fact it is transmitting at its maximum output. It will not be long before something more is damaged if that condition is continued. Shut it down until you can get q replacement EL5146. Your other option is to remove the KPA100 and operate with the base K2 and the KAT100 - that combination will work. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/16/2012 11:37 AM, Bill Coleman wrote: OK, so if the KPA100 has U6 removed, but a KAT100 is attached, then the system will use the EL5146C in the KAT100, and disable that in the KPA100, correct? But, this circuit is only used while transmitting, not while receiving, correct? Still doesn't explain the weird turn-on behavior, or the not inst messages that were cured by turning the KPA100 Off and later back on in the PA menu. Because there is no transmission involved at all. Just turning the unit on, using the power knob, Ant1/2 button, and looking at the ATU menu. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware: Vers 1.12
Wayne, et. al. When this is implemented in a new firmware release, will it be able to be turned on and off in the menu configuration? I personally like that the TX matches to zero beat when using SPOT, but I can see why some would like it not to behave that way. Lu - W4LT K3, P3, K1 == Message: 10 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:21:42 -0700 From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware: Vers 1.12 To: bill.va...@gmail.com Cc: elecraft list elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 64324bc3-cda5-41a8-9f74-8fb60463b...@elecraft.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes This feature was added to the KX3 but not the K3 (yet). It's on my list. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:49 AM, bill.va...@gmail.com wrote: I notice that if you have the RIT on and then hit spot that only the rcvr goes to zero beat; while my K3 with the RIT on and spot is used moves both transmit and rcvr frequencies. Is this a bug or intended? Bill, VA3OL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K1] No power out
Bob, Actually Elecraft does pay me for the repair work I do. The email effort I spend here on the reflector is volunteer. I have been doing it that way for a long time now - since the original K2 Field Test in 1999 73, Don W3FPR On 8/16/2012 12:08 PM, Bob Molloy wrote: Don, First of all I couldn't have solved this without your help. Thanks very much. Elecraft should be paying you for your services. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] looking for K3EZ program
I went to the post dated Aug 4th from Adrian vk4tux about the K3 EZ program... I clicked on the link so I could download the program but the Adobe sendNow is blank... Can someone PLEASE repost the K3EZ program again... Scott __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [XV] K3 locks up when XV connected
I've had the same problem before, but it was always one or more of the following: Broken or not properly soldered wire inside one of the connectors to/from the K3/transverter; K3's XV1/XV2 address doesn't match the dip switches inside the transverter(s); Transverter didn't have power available to them prior to turning on the K3. Check those, and you'll probably find the problem. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS On Aug 16, 2012, at 3:52 AM, eric norris gliderboy1...@yahoo.com wrote: I have had my XV-144 and XV-432 disconnected for some time while working some issues with Elecraft Support. I am now hooking everything back up again, but when I attach the control cable from the XV to the K3 the K3 locks up and will not respond to any control inputs, including the PWR button. When I disconnect the control line, the K3 comes back. I have a PR6, Top Ten Band Decoder, P3, and the XVs all sharing the ACC line. This worked fine before, but I remember having this problem also in the past but I cannot remember what I did to fix it. TX INH setting? Does anyone know? Thanks es 73, Eric WD6DBM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware: Vers 1.12
Hi Lu, if you want zero beat for RX and TX then simply turn off the RIT with the new feature (when implemented in K3 firmware like on the KX3) and everything will be fine (otherwise you would not be zero beat anyway). No need for a menu option. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Lu Romero lrom...@ij.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware: Vers 1.12 Wayne, et. al. When this is implemented in a new firmware release, will it be able to be turned on and off in the menu configuration? I personally like that the TX matches to zero beat when using SPOT, but I can see why some would like it not to behave that way. Lu - W4LT K3, P3, K1 == Message: 10 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:21:42 -0700 From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware: Vers 1.12 To: bill.va...@gmail.com Cc: elecraft list elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 64324bc3-cda5-41a8-9f74-8fb60463b...@elecraft.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes This feature was added to the KX3 but not the K3 (yet). It's on my list. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:49 AM, bill.va...@gmail.com wrote: I notice that if you have the RIT on and then hit spot that only the rcvr goes to zero beat; while my K3 with the RIT on and spot is used moves both transmit and rcvr frequencies. Is this a bug or intended? Bill, VA3OL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG uberpruft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5203 - Ausgabedatum: 15.08.2012 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
Thanks for the heads-up, Eric! What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market? I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the big ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc. Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price). 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. Hi, This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at today's pricing. We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where our costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on which other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.) Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not have any additional information. As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible, and to absorb cost increases where ever possible. 73, Eric www.elecraft.com _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [K3][K2] // WTB 700 Hz Filters + Re-Revised IMA User's Guide
[K3] ... Please reply off Reflector regarding sale of your 700 Hz filter. (We have a customer who wants a matched pair but we only have one filter remaining.) Conversely, you can also register via our automated wait- ing list -- at http://www.unpcbs.com/list/ -- to get in the queue for the next production run. [K2] ... Release 6C of the Rework Eliminator(TM) K2 Internal Mic Adaptor user's guide was published on August 12th. It includes numerous improvements versus the original version 6, (published July 25th). Check it out at http://www.unpcbs.com/adaptor/adaptor_pdfs/ima_ug.pdf TNX 73, Gary KI4GGX webmaster __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] WTB: KX-1
If anyone is interested in moving their KX-1 to someone who will put it to good use on SOTA summits, please drop me an email. Ideally, I hope it has the KXAT1 ATU and KXPD1 paddles. Tnx/73, Barry N1EU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WTB-KX-1-tp7561141.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware: Vers 1.12
Ah, yes, you are correct. Duh! That's what I get for multitasking, reading this while doing work things. -lu- - Original Message Follows - From: Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de To: lrom...@ij.net, elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware: Vers 1.12 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:00:00 +0200 Hi Lu, if you want zero beat for RX and TX then simply turn off the RIT with the new feature (when implemented in K3 firmware like on the KX3) and everything will be fine (otherwise you would not be zero beat anyway). No need for a menu option. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Lu Romero lrom...@ij.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware: Vers 1.12 Wayne, et. al. When this is implemented in a new firmware release, will it be able to be turned on and off in the menu configuration? I personally like that the TX matches to zero beat when using SPOT, but I can see why some would like it not to behave that way. Lu - W4LT K3, P3, K1 == Message: 10 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:21:42 -0700 From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware: Vers 1.12 To: bill.va...@gmail.com Cc: elecraft list elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 64324bc3-cda5-41a8-9f74-8fb60463b...@elecraft.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ; delsp=yes This feature was added to the KX3 but not the K3 (yet). It's on my list. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:49 AM, bill.va...@gmail.com wrote: I notice that if you have the RIT on and then hit spot that only the rcvr goes to zero beat; while my K3 with the RIT on and spot is used moves both transmit and rcvr frequencies. Is this a bug or intended? Bill, VA3OL ___ ___ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG uberpruft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5203 - Ausgabedatum: 15.08.2012 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
Olli, I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it. --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com K3 #281, P3 #688 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote: Thanks for the heads-up, Eric! What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market? I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the big ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc. Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price). 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. Hi, This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at today's pricing. We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where our costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on which other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.) Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not have any additional information. As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible, and to absorb cost increases where ever possible. 73, Eric www.elecraft.com _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] FS: Buddipole (deluxe) + accessories, Buddistick + accessories
In order to help finance some upcoming Elecraft purchases, I'm selling my Buddistick and Buddipole. Please read below for details. Since Elecraft sells these products, I figure it's fair game to post them as for sale here. ;-) First, the Buddistick. Includes the basic Buddistick package ($139), 1 Buddistick-to-Mast adapter ($8), and the Vertical Antenna Clamp ($24.50). The total price of this package, new, would be $171.50. Your price is $145 + shipping to your QTH. Next, the Buddipole. Includes Buddipole Deluxe Package w/ guying kit ($424) [black], 1 pair 4 section lightweight shock-cord whip antennas ($105), and the Wire Assembly ($15) [for using the Buddipole as a vertical, similar to the Buddistick]. Total price of this package, new, would be $544. Your price is $460 + shipping to your QTH. Photos available upon request. Prefer USPS MO for payment. Please contact me off list if you're interested. Thanks! -john W4PAH Madison, WI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
Hi Ian, yes indeed, but that is a special case due to the current desaster in Japan. Usually prices drop, i.e. my first IC-7000 was bought for 1.600 EUR, now it's available for 1.100 EUR. IC-746 was 3.600 DM when new, bought for 2.800 DM later on. Same for the FT-817 (just to name a second example, there are lots more): Bought for 900 EUR in 2001, could be bought new for 499 EUR 1.5 years ago (now price is up to 600 EUR due to the still general supply shortage in Japan but without the floods and problems afterwards it would still sell below 500 EUR). 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Ian Kahn - Ham km4ik@gmail.com To: Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de Cc: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com; Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. Olli, I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it. --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com K3 #281, P3 #688 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote: Thanks for the heads-up, Eric! What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market? I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the big ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc. Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price). 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. Hi, This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at today's pricing. We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where our costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on which other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.) Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not have any additional information. As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible, and to absorb cost increases where ever possible. 73, Eric www.elecraft.com _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5203 - Ausgabedatum: 15.08.2012 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
Our volume is certainly less than that of the big three. That means we can't order in quantities as large as they do, and we have less leverage at times when prices go up. And they have been going up -- almost everything gets more expensive year to year. 73, Wayne N6KR Oliver Dröse wrote: What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market? I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the big ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-) Robert-KP4Y Original Message Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. From: Ian Kahn - Ham km4ik@gmail.com To: Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de CC: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net,Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com Olli, I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it. --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com K3 #281, P3 #688 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote: Thanks for the heads-up, Eric! What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market? I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the big ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc. Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price). 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. Hi, This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at today's pricing. We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where our costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on which other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.) Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not have any additional information. As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible, and to absorb cost increases where ever possible. 73, Eric www.elecraft.com _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
I buy lots of parts from Mouser, but at work and for myself. Many components have doubled in price in the last 3 or 4 years. I'm sure Elecraft makes every effort to balance cost vs. margin vs. market. My 4 year old K3 and 4 month old KX3 were/are bargains. Rob NV5E From: n...@elecraft.com To: dro...@necg.de Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:43:43 -0700 CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; e...@elecraft.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. Our volume is certainly less than that of the big three. That means we can't order in quantities as large as they do, and we have less leverage at times when prices go up. And they have been going up -- almost everything gets more expensive year to year. 73, Wayne N6KR Oliver Dröse wrote: What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market? I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the big ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
I know things have gone up. But I will pay the price for two reasons. 1) great product and support. 2) made in the USA. And did I mention great product and support? Thank you Elecraft! Gerald- KC6CNN On Aug 16, 2012 5:44 PM, Robert Vargas (KP4Y) k...@yahoo.com wrote: I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-) Robert-KP4Y Original Message Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. From: Ian Kahn - Ham km4ik@gmail.com To: Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de CC: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net,Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com Olli, I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it. --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com K3 #281, P3 #688 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote: Thanks for the heads-up, Eric! What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market? I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the big ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc. Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price). 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. Hi, This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at today's pricing. We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where our costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on which other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.) Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not have any additional information. As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible, and to absorb cost increases where ever possible. 73, Eric www.elecraft.com _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home:
[Elecraft] Huntsville and Boxbor Hamfests
My apologies for the late notice, but if anyone is going to either of these Hamfests and would like to help out at the Elecraft booth for a while, it would be greatly appreciated. A few of you have already volunteered so thank you very much, but we could use a few more hands :). Eric and Lerma will be working the booth at both shows. Hunstville AL Hamfest is this weekend, Aug. 18 and 19 Boxboro MA is the following weekend Aug. 25 and 26. If you are interested you can email me directly, l...@elecraft.com. Thank you! Lisa -- Lisa Jones Elecraft, Inc. (831) 763-4211 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
It seems to me that Kenwood is managed by some very smart fellers... head to head with a pair of super smart fellers... Both have a product to sell... and a goal to meet... if the price varies... all other things being somewhat equal to the two... a lowering of the price says they want to sell more, and the profit is not to be as much. If the price is forced up, that says the quality and support will have to be as best as it gets, to support the price being forced up, by parts cost, AND there isn't a pot of profit from numerous other arms of the same company to suck up the profit difference. One more thing standing on your own, says a lot for thequality of the offered product. A WHOLE lot!! --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:44:38 -0400 From: k...@yahoo.com To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept. I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-) Robert-KP4Y Original Message Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. From: Ian Kahn - Ham km4ik@gmail.com To: Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de CC: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net,Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com Olli, I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it. --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com K3 #281, P3 #688 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote: Thanks for the heads-up, Eric! What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market? I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the big ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc. Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price). 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. Hi, This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at today's pricing. We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where our costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on which other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.) Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not have any additional information. As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible, and to absorb cost increases where ever possible. 73, Eric www.elecraft.com _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
*Eric makes the point that this increase is cost related. Many manufacturers do this of course and some just bring out a new model and the additional cost pressures are built into the new model pricing. Nice to see Elecraft continue the products currently being sold and just make a cost adjustment as needed. Whatever the increase may be, Elecraft are very well managed and as such they will examine their business plan carefully and are well aware of the adverse effects any increase in the retail price can have to their business. I would be confident that Eric and the management team have examined all aspects of production and supply and the increase will be the minimum they can be happy with. To compare Elecraft to say Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu is perhaps not a good comparison. The corporate structure and governance of these companies is totally different. Gary * On 17 August 2012 10:14, Dale Putnam daleput...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems to me that Kenwood is managed by some very smart fellers... head to head with a pair of super smart fellers... Both have a product to sell... and a goal to meet... if the price varies... all other things being somewhat equal to the two... a lowering of the price says they want to sell more, and the profit is not to be as much. If the price is forced up, that says the quality and support will have to be as best as it gets, to support the price being forced up, by parts cost, AND there isn't a pot of profit from numerous other arms of the same company to suck up the profit difference. One more thing standing on your own, says a lot for thequality of the offered product. A WHOLE lot!! --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:44:38 -0400 From: k...@yahoo.com To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept. I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-) Robert-KP4Y Original Message Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. From: Ian Kahn - Ham km4ik@gmail.com To: Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de CC: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net,Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com Olli, I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it. --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com K3 #281, P3 #688 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote: Thanks for the heads-up, Eric! What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market? I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the big ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc. Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price). 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. Hi, This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at today's pricing. We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where our costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on which other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.) Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not have any
Re: [Elecraft] [K2] KAT100 odd behavior cured by reset of KPA100?
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Don Wilhelm d...@w3fpr.com wrote: Bill, Not quite. If the KPA100 is installed, the forward power will be that of the KPA100, the KAT100 EL5146 will not be activated at all. Yes, it is only for transmitting. It tells the K2 MCU what the power output level is. If the EL5146 is not present or is not working, the K2 will increase drive to maximum - thus no power level control, and likely to damage the base K2 PA transistors. 73, Don W3FPR OK, that's fine. I haven't tried transmitting since I removed the EL5146C. The K2/100 is still all apart on the workbench. My parts are on the way, should be fixed soon. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: aa...@arrl.net Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: Not within a thousand years will man ever fly! -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
Robert Vargas (KP4Y) wrote: I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-) Some products generate enthusiasm only when first released. The manufacturer might price them high initially, reap the rewards, then discount them when the thrill wears off. But there are also products that get better over time. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] KX3 Battery Questions
If you have batteries installed and then plug in an external power supply to the KX3, which source is actually powering the KX3? I noticed that, in the above situation, batteries installed and external power source connected, that if I lowered the external power source voltage, the KH3 remained at the battery voltage level. So it appears that the batteries took over. This makes me wonder if that external power source voltage is touching the batteries. Can someone tell if I need to remove the batteries when I plug in the external power source? I don't want to apply that external power supply voltage to my battery pack! Pete WK8S __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
And THAT, is the key and reason I love Elecraft!
--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
The corporate structure and governance of these companies is
totally different.
Gary
*
On 17 August 2012 10:14, Dale Putnam daleput...@hotmail.com wrote:
It seems to me that Kenwood is managed by some very smart fellers... head
to head with a pair of super smart fellers... Both have a product to
sell... and a goal to meet... if the price varies... all other things being
somewhat equal to the two... a lowering of the price says they want to sell
more, and the profit is not to be as much. If the price is forced up, that
says the quality and support will have to be as best as it gets, to support
the price being forced up, by parts cost, AND there isn't a pot of profit
from numerous other arms of the same company to suck up the profit
difference. One more thing standing on your own, says a lot for
thequality of the offered product. A WHOLE lot!!
--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:44:38 -0400
From: k...@yahoo.com
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about
$150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has
had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really
Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then
will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-)
Robert-KP4Y
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
From: Ian Kahn - Ham km4ik@gmail.com
To: Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de
CC: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net,Eric Swartz WA6HHQ -
Elecraft e...@elecraft.com
Olli,
I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price
recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually
about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it.
--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA EM74ua
km4ik@gmail.com
K3 #281, P3 #688
HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team
On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up, Eric!
What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was
announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing
for
Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other
manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market?
I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher
price (but
still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after
earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors
who
always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product
prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin,
etc.).
Typical mass-production mechanisms.
So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the
big
ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only
production
costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level
out
that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least
those
others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc.
Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price).
73, Olli - DH8BQA
- Original Message -
From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:10 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
Hi,
This is an early heads-up for our customers that we will be increasing
prices slightly on several of our products, including the K3, in mid
September. Any orders placed before that point will be honored at
today's
pricing.
We are still reviewing our complete product line to determine where
our
costs have increased significantly, so I can't be more specific on
which
other products will increase in price, or by how much. (We've been
absorbing a lot of the parts cost increases over the past year.)
Please don't ask the sales staff for more specifics as they do not
have
any additional information.
As always, we'll strive to keep these changes as small as possible,
and to
absorb cost increases where ever possible.
73,
Eric
www.elecraft.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
Wayne is right on that one. Take a look at the K2 list of Mods. A K2 with a serial number above 4060 has many improvements over earlier K2s. While each one of those mods is not especially expensive, they do add value to the product. There likely will be no future mods to the K2 unless some redesign is required because the original parts are no longer available - and there have been 2 instances of that which I have been aware of - the speech compressor on the KSB2 option and the encoder. Both of these required redesign efforts on the part of Elecraft - and that folks is on a 13 year old design. What other manufacturer would expend design effort to keep a 13 year old product going with replacement parts? I think many others would simply withdraw support. Yeah for Elecraft and their commitment to provide support for their products for as long as reasonably possible. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/16/2012 8:46 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: But there are also products that get better over time. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Questions
Pete, The source with the higher voltage will be used, whether that be the batteries or the external supply. Your experiment with lowering the external supply voltage demonstrated that fact. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/16/2012 9:00 PM, Pete Meier wrote: If you have batteries installed and then plug in an external power supply to the KX3, which source is actually powering the KX3? I noticed that, in the above situation, batteries installed and external power source connected, that if I lowered the external power source voltage, the KH3 remained at the battery voltage level. So it appears that the batteries took over. This makes me wonder if that external power source voltage is touching the batteries. Can someone tell if I need to remove the batteries when I plug in the external power source? I don't want to apply that external power supply voltage to my battery pack! Pete WK8S __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
I must jump in. Elecraft products are unique. I really will not compare radio prices to another manufacturer when I get what I need from what I want to do what I want for a reasonable price. After 52 years of hamming, Elecraft radios, for what I pay, I consider unequalled. Email me off list if you would like to debate. Thank you for reading. 73, Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:36 PM To: Dale Putnam Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept. *Eric makes the point that this increase is cost related. Many manufacturers do this of course and some just bring out a new model and the additional cost pressures are built into the new model pricing. Nice to see Elecraft continue the products currently being sold and just make a cost adjustment as needed. Whatever the increase may be, Elecraft are very well managed and as such they will examine their business plan carefully and are well aware of the adverse effects any increase in the retail price can have to their business. I would be confident that Eric and the management team have examined all aspects of production and supply and the increase will be the minimum they can be happy with. To compare Elecraft to say Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu is perhaps not a good comparison. The corporate structure and governance of these companies is totally different. Gary * On 17 August 2012 10:14, Dale Putnam daleput...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems to me that Kenwood is managed by some very smart fellers... head to head with a pair of super smart fellers... Both have a product to sell... and a goal to meet... if the price varies... all other things being somewhat equal to the two... a lowering of the price says they want to sell more, and the profit is not to be as much. If the price is forced up, that says the quality and support will have to be as best as it gets, to support the price being forced up, by parts cost, AND there isn't a pot of profit from numerous other arms of the same company to suck up the profit difference. One more thing standing on your own, says a lot for thequality of the offered product. A WHOLE lot!! --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:44:38 -0400 From: k...@yahoo.com To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept. I bought a new TS-590 less than 2 years ago and its price today is about $150 less than what I paid back then. And, as far as I know, Kenwood has had great success selling that radio. Anyway, I believe it is really Elecraft's prerogative to increase the price on their products. We then will have to decide if we want to spend the money or not. :-) Robert-KP4Y Original Message Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept. From: Ian Kahn - Ham km4ik@gmail.com To: Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de CC: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net,Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com Olli, I bought an FT-857D, new, about four years ago. I checked the price recently for insurance purposes, and the price of that radio is actually about $150-$200 US more today than it was when I bought it. --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com K3 #281, P3 #688 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team On 8/16/2012 4:34 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote: Thanks for the heads-up, Eric! What I have already been wondering when the last price increase was announced 2 years ago (I believe it was) is why are prices increasing for Elecraft gear (even if only slightly) while prices of all other manufacturers are falling after products a certain time on the market? I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? No mass-production (compared to the big ones)? Or is that lower prices right away and thus always only production costs + margin + only small uplift for development (which might level out that of the others seen over a complete product life-cycle)? At least those others have to fight the same cost increases for components, etc. Just curious (and indeed thinking Elecraft gear *is* worth it's price). 73, Olli - DH8BQA - Original Message - From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 16,
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
So they say: like fine wine. (But, of course, I like beer.) Wayne, have a case on me!!! 73, Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- Robert Vargas (KP4Y) wrote: [WRJ] . But there are also products that get better over time. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:34:12 +0200, Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de wrote: [snip] I understood that Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom start with an a bit higher price (but still acceptable otherwise they would not sell their radios) and after earning all the development costs (and milking the early adaptors who always need the newest and best) they can and do decrease the product prices as they only have the production costs then (including margin, etc.). Typical mass-production mechanisms. So what is different at Elecraft? You forget one thing. You cannot buy a rig directly from the giant rig manufacturers. The price you pay for them is the mark-up the dealer makes so he/she can make a profit. Another thing to take into account is that it's the dealer who charges you more for your new (I want it before anyone else product) in the beginning because he/she knows you will pay extra for the latest thing, so you can tell others you have one, or so you can test it against you current rig and report on it before anyone else does. No malice is intended in my statement. That's just how some folks are. [snip] Amateur Radio Operator N5GE ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM, N5GE li...@n5ge.com wrote: ...You cannot buy a rig directly from the giant rig manufacturers. ... This has nothing to do with the original point, which was the perfectly true observation that the price of some radios comes down over time. It is probably correct, as was conjectured in the first post, that the marginal cost of production declines as the company goes up the learning curve with its tooling, etc., and perhaps order quantities can be managed more cost-effectively as well. These gains may be passed along in the form of price decreases. Moreover, there is the very real possibility that a new design may have a premium value when it first hits the market, and that premium may decline over time. This is very familiar in the semiconductor business, where chip makers actually post future price curves showing planned declines. But if production costs are mainly a function of components whose costs rise over time, the manufacturer has no cost savings to pass on, and in fact may have to raise prices to maintain margins. In the final analysis, price is a function not only of costs and desired margins, but of demand. In particular, if a manufacturer is selling all he can make of some item, and there is an order backlog, then clearly the price is satisfactory to customers. The most relevant considerations to a consumer of any product are performance, suitability, and competitive alternatives. Some manufacturers earn dazzling margins, but are able to sell all the gadgets they can make; others can't sell their products even at prices at or below manufacturing cost. The price declines seen in certain sectors of the ham market may simply be a reaction to dwindling demand. In all cases, the discipline of the market is a lot better way to set prices than someone's impressionistic hunch. Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
And, for the early adopters, those mods is available as inexpensive kits to keep SN 1 as current as SN 6000 or whatever they are at today. For those who don't want to open the hood the Elecraft factory will do the upgrades for you. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:01 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept. Wayne is right on that one. Take a look at the K2 list of Mods. A K2 with a serial number above 4060 has many improvements over earlier K2s. While each one of those mods is not especially expensive, they do add value to the product. There likely will be no future mods to the K2 unless some redesign is required because the original parts are no longer available - and there have been 2 instances of that which I have been aware of - the speech compressor on the KSB2 option and the encoder. Both of these required redesign efforts on the part of Elecraft - and that folks is on a 13 year old design. What other manufacturer would expend design effort to keep a 13 year old product going with replacement parts? I think many others would simply withdraw support. Yeah for Elecraft and their commitment to provide support for their products for as long as reasonably possible. 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] How's the RIT work?
SO I'm down on J6 without the manual and don't know how to make the RIT (right bottom control) come to life. what's the secret (menu setting?).. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ/ pj4hz Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch Staunton, Illinois email: mailto:b...@wjschmidt.com b...@wjschmidt.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Price increase in mid Sept.
*Tony, An aging product can be adversly affected by another manufacturer releasing a product that is superior to the aging one and to generate more sales the original manufacturer may well decrease the margin to stimulate their sales numbers. Wayne has a valid point, BUT, there are many, many variables at play in the commercial world. The board of directors also bleat as do the accounting divisions of major companies. What Elecraft have is the advantage of being a tightly held company with all the figures at their fingertips and this makes it an easier task to monitor cost and sales margins. Comparing transceivers is always fraught with danger as no two transceivers are the same and the market is broad when it comes to customer requirements. For me it's always been bang for your buck and in my case at least Elecraft are at the top of the list and have been since I first stumbled my way on the internet and discovered the name. I had no idea (and some will say I still don't) who Elecraft were. But I read about the K3 and got hooked!...for this I blame Wayne and Eric! My dwindling savings are testament to this...:-( 73 Gary * On 17 August 2012 12:09, Tony Estep estept...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM, N5GE li...@n5ge.com wrote: ...You cannot buy a rig directly from the giant rig manufacturers. ... This has nothing to do with the original point, which was the perfectly true observation that the price of some radios comes down over time. It is probably correct, as was conjectured in the first post, that the marginal cost of production declines as the company goes up the learning curve with its tooling, etc., and perhaps order quantities can be managed more cost-effectively as well. These gains may be passed along in the form of price decreases. Moreover, there is the very real possibility that a new design may have a premium value when it first hits the market, and that premium may decline over time. This is very familiar in the semiconductor business, where chip makers actually post future price curves showing planned declines. But if production costs are mainly a function of components whose costs rise over time, the manufacturer has no cost savings to pass on, and in fact may have to raise prices to maintain margins. In the final analysis, price is a function not only of costs and desired margins, but of demand. In particular, if a manufacturer is selling all he can make of some item, and there is an order backlog, then clearly the price is satisfactory to customers. The most relevant considerations to a consumer of any product are performance, suitability, and competitive alternatives. Some manufacturers earn dazzling margins, but are able to sell all the gadgets they can make; others can't sell their products even at prices at or below manufacturing cost. The price declines seen in certain sectors of the ham market may simply be a reaction to dwindling demand. In all cases, the discipline of the market is a lot better way to set prices than someone's impressionistic hunch. Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- *Gary* *Start the day off slow, then taper off.* __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3/100F For Sale
I have a nice K3/100F for sale. Serial number mid 3500's. Radio has all upgrades including the 1 amp DC out mod for P3/SVGA Combo. 2.7 Khz 5 Pole Filter. PlusThe following Options. KAT3-F KXV3A KDVR3 KTCXO-1 ( 0.5PPM ) KFL3B-FM 13khz Filter KFL3A-1.8 Khz Filter KFL3A-400 Khz Filter KFL3A-250 Khz Filter MH2 KUSB Currently $3600. plus shipping and if you are in CA add another 8% or so. I will sell it shipped and insured to the CONUS for $2750. Comes in Original box with manual and power cord. If interested, contact me off the list..I would love to keep it, but the wife says one is enough..!... : ( 73's Chuck W6RD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
Actually, comparing any company with any other company that builds a similar product is perfectly valid. How they may be structured should not be a consideration in your buying decision ... at least it isn't in mine. I managed a large electronics business for many years and the last thing I expected my customers to judge me on was anything besides performance/quality/reliability/price/delivery/service/dependability. That's all that matters, and they're all visible to the customer. Elecraft manages that balance pretty well which is why I buy their products, but I can't see myself cutting them any slack simply because their competitors might have better leverage to supply me with what I want. Dave AB7E On 8/16/2012 5:36 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: To compare Elecraft to say Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu is perhaps not a good comparison. The corporate structure and governance of these companies is totally different. Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] How's the RIT work?
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II b...@wjschmidt.com wrote: SO I'm down on J6 without the manual and don't know how to make the RIT (right bottom control) come to life. what's the secret (menu setting?).. Turn it on the with the RIT button first? ;) 73, ~iain / N6ML PS. The manual is available in PDF format for download from the website __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
*Dave, Agreed. Pricing does get affected due to corporate structure. The sales division more often than not has a bottom line dictated to them and sometimes this takes away a lot of headroom. Elecraft are tightly managed and pricing is carefully monitored no doubt as well as manufacture costs. I have not purchased based solely on the management of a company. Indeed performance of the product was the most important. Reputation is the second criteria I have used in my decision making process. I have always taken note of customers writings but not to the point of discarding a company from my own personal decision making process. I guess the old saying 'to each their own' can be applied in liberal doses? 73 Gary * On 17 August 2012 13:00, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: Actually, comparing any company with any other company that builds a similar product is perfectly valid. How they may be structured should not be a consideration in your buying decision ... at least it isn't in mine. I managed a large electronics business for many years and the last thing I expected my customers to judge me on was anything besides performance/quality/reliability/price/delivery/service/dependability. That's all that matters, and they're all visible to the customer. Elecraft manages that balance pretty well which is why I buy their products, but I can't see myself cutting them any slack simply because their competitors might have better leverage to supply me with what I want. Dave AB7E On 8/16/2012 5:36 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: To compare Elecraft to say Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu is perhaps not a good comparison. The corporate structure and governance of these companies is totally different. Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- *Gary* *Start the day off slow, then taper off.* __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] How's the RIT work?
I see you already got the answer here but, since you have internet access, you can download the entire manual from www.elecraft.com. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dr. William J. Schmidt, II Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:47 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] How's the RIT work? SO I'm down on J6 without the manual and don't know how to make the RIT (right bottom control) come to life. what's the secret (menu setting?).. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ/ pj4hz Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch Staunton, Illinois __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] How's the RIT work?
I don't know how fast his internet is. A few days ago in Goose Bay, Labrador, my download speed and response was so slow I couldn't download a large email. The K3 manual is 13.1 megabyte, over an order of magnitude larger than that email. OTOH, I travel with the K3 manual, schematics etc. on my computer. Now all I need is the K3 which is in California. :-) Cheers - Bill, AE6JV - Currently in southern Ontario headed west. On 8/16/12 at 20:27, r...@cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) wrote: I see you already got the answer here but, since you have internet access, you can download the entire manual from www.elecraft.com. --- Bill Frantz| gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] How's the RIT work?
Actually there's a Web Res version, for that purpose, which is 1.8Mb. There's an error on the website, it seems, where both versions are marked Web Res - one of them is, I assume, supposed to be Print Res... the difference (I'm assuming again) being lower-resolution images, to make the file smaller... 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: I don't know how fast his internet is. A few days ago in Goose Bay, Labrador, my download speed and response was so slow I couldn't download a large email. The K3 manual is 13.1 megabyte, over an order of magnitude larger than that email. OTOH, I travel with the K3 manual, schematics etc. on my computer. Now all I need is the K3 which is in California. :-) Cheers - Bill, AE6JV - Currently in southern Ontario headed west. On 8/16/12 at 20:27, r...@cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) wrote: I see you already got the answer here but, since you have internet access, you can download the entire manual from www.elecraft.com. --- Bill Frantz| gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] How's the RIT work?
I believe only the 1.8 MB version should be marked Web Res, but then that is only an assumption, I have not downloaded the 12.4 MB version. ASFAIK the only difference between the two is the resolution in the images. Since I have no intent to enlarge the images in the manual and print them, the smaller download is adequate for me. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/17/2012 12:11 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: Actually there's a Web Res version, for that purpose, which is 1.8Mb. There's an error on the website, it seems, where both versions are marked Web Res - one of them is, I assume, supposed to be Print Res... the difference (I'm assuming again) being lower-resolution images, to make the file smaller... 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: I don't know how fast his internet is. A few days ago in Goose Bay, Labrador, my download speed and response was so slow I couldn't download a large email. The K3 manual is 13.1 megabyte, over an order of magnitude larger than that email. OTOH, I travel with the K3 manual, schematics etc. on my computer. Now all I need is the K3 which is in California. :-) Cheers - Bill, AE6JV - Currently in southern Ontario headed west. On 8/16/12 at 20:27, r...@cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) wrote: I see you already got the answer here but, since you have internet access, you can download the entire manual from www.elecraft.com. --- Bill Frantz| gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Price increase in mid Sept.
It is MBA 101. You price products to cost or to market. When you are an Elecraft you keep raising prices and track contribution to the bottom line. As long as contribution is positive you have price elasticity . And prices go up further. Forget the cost George, W6GF Love my 2K3s and my KX3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Questions
On Aug 16, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Pete Meier wrote: If you have batteries installed and then plug in an external power supply to the KX3, which source is actually powering the KX3? Whichever has the higher voltage. I noticed that, in the above situation, batteries installed and external power source connected, that if I lowered the external power source voltage, the KH3 remained at the battery voltage level. So it appears that the batteries took over. Correct. This makes me wonder if that external power source voltage is touching the batteries. No. Each has a diode in series, so they are fully independent of each other. The external supply cannot charge the batteries unless you have a KXBC3 installed, which provides additional circuitry. Can someone tell if I need to remove the batteries when I plug in the external power source? No need to do this. 73, Wayne N6KR I don't want to apply that external power supply voltage to my battery pack! Pete WK8S __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] How's the RIT work?
To all that suggested I read the online manual... yeah thanks. Perfect in the middle of a dxpedition... Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch Staunton, Illinois email: b...@wjschmidt.com -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:30 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How's the RIT work? I believe only the 1.8 MB version should be marked Web Res, but then that is only an assumption, I have not downloaded the 12.4 MB version. ASFAIK the only difference between the two is the resolution in the images. Since I have no intent to enlarge the images in the manual and print them, the smaller download is adequate for me. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/17/2012 12:11 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: Actually there's a Web Res version, for that purpose, which is 1.8Mb. There's an error on the website, it seems, where both versions are marked Web Res - one of them is, I assume, supposed to be Print Res... the difference (I'm assuming again) being lower-resolution images, to make the file smaller... 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: I don't know how fast his internet is. A few days ago in Goose Bay, Labrador, my download speed and response was so slow I couldn't download a large email. The K3 manual is 13.1 megabyte, over an order of magnitude larger than that email. OTOH, I travel with the K3 manual, schematics etc. on my computer. Now all I need is the K3 which is in California. :-) Cheers - Bill, AE6JV - Currently in southern Ontario headed west. On 8/16/12 at 20:27, r...@cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) wrote: I see you already got the answer here but, since you have internet access, you can download the entire manual from www.elecraft.com. --- Bill Frantz| gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2437/5204 - Release Date: 08/16/12 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
