Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver Problems

2013-01-16 Thread ON4YVO
I got the sub receiver fixed.  The previous owner had the filter inserted the
wrong way.  By this the signal pins are shorted to ground through by the
filter.

I discovered this by measuring on the pins of the filters.  On the selected
filter the signal pins carry 5 volt DC.  The DC is blocked by capacitors on
the filter circuit.

When having few resources, you can swap the NB and mixer print and also
change coaxes to swap main and sub receiver. 



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Re: [Elecraft] K2/10 upgrade question

2013-01-16 Thread Stephen Roberts
I would agree with Don's most recent statement. My K2 is my shack rig and the 
KPA100 is built in and the rig sits on top of the KAT100. A fantastic 
combination to be sure. When I first built the KPA100 I ran the K2 with an 
outboard LDG auto tuner and there's simply no comparison. Sounds like you have 
your portable needs covered with the K1 (my choice for QRP) and KX3, so if 
you're like me and value space on your desktop, put the amp inside the K2.

Steve,
W1SFR



On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:16 PM, sidney sudberg wrote:

 I have recently bought a previously owned K2/10  am thinking of upgrading
 it to the 100 watt version.  My question is:
 
 
 
 Is there any reason or advantage to upgrade with the amplifier  radio in
 one unit or in the EC2 with the KAT100-2?  I suppose it is a matter of how
 it will be used but I guess I am looking for the experience of how others
 use either or both configurations  why.
 
 
 
 Being somewhat of a ‘Rookie’ ham, I frequently make hasty decisions based
 on my lack of experience, so I am seeking the advice from the collective
 experience of this distinguished group.  J I am not solely qrp/cw but my
 goal is to be operating mostly qrp/cw but I will also be getting a KX3
 within the year  I also currently own a K1.
 
 
 
 I thought the K2 would be my home station for now  would like to have the
 power available if I wanted or needed it.
 
 
 
 Any thoughts, comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
 
 
 
 73,
 
 * *
 
 * *
 
 *Sidney Sudberg*
 
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[Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

2013-01-16 Thread Fred Smith
Which wire is the positive on the cable the one with the long striped lines?
or the other which I think is the negitive. Looked on line and in the boob
can't find.

 

Fred/N0AZZ

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

2013-01-16 Thread Don Wilhelm

Fred,

I never can remember, but my ohmmeter will tell me in an instant. Stick 
one probe in the center conductor and check each lead for continuity - 
the one with continuity is the positive lead.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2013 7:34 AM, Fred Smith wrote:

Which wire is the positive on the cable the one with the long striped lines?
or the other which I think is the negitive. Looked on line and in the boob
can't find.



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

2013-01-16 Thread Bruce Beford
Fred, It -is- in the manual, on page 4, under POWER SUPPLY:

A power cable with a 2.1-mm plug is supplied. The
wire with the white stripe is positive. Trim the cable
to the desired length. Plug the cable into the 9-15
VDC jack, shown at left in the illustration below.

But, as Don says, when in doubt, your ohmmeter will reveal reality.
73,
Bruce, N1RX

 Which wire is the positive on the cable the one with the long striped 
 lines? or the other which I think is the negitive. Looked on line and
  in the boob can't find.



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

2013-01-16 Thread Fred Smith
Thanks to all who replied was too early in the morning I guess, a CRS
moment.

Thx  73,
Fred/N0AZZ

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:18 AM
To: Fred Smith
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

Fred,

I never can remember, but my ohmmeter will tell me in an instant. Stick 
one probe in the center conductor and check each lead for continuity - 
the one with continuity is the positive lead.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2013 7:34 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
 Which wire is the positive on the cable the one with the long striped
lines?
 or the other which I think is the negitive. Looked on line and in the boob
 can't find.


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[Elecraft] test from hotmail

2013-01-16 Thread Alan Price

test from hotmail 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

2013-01-16 Thread Holger Schurig
Don, better use a Voltmeter, not an Ohmmeter ;-)


2013/1/16 Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com

 Thanks to all who replied was too early in the morning I guess, a CRS
 moment.

 Thx  73,
 Fred/N0AZZ

 -Original Message-
 From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:18 AM
 To: Fred Smith
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

 Fred,

 I never can remember, but my ohmmeter will tell me in an instant. Stick
 one probe in the center conductor and check each lead for continuity -
 the one with continuity is the positive lead.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 1/16/2013 7:34 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
  Which wire is the positive on the cable the one with the long striped
 lines?
  or the other which I think is the negitive. Looked on line and in the
 boob
  can't find.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

2013-01-16 Thread Holger Schurig
Oops, I wrote complete bulls..t.


2013/1/16 Holger Schurig holgerschu...@gmail.com

 Don, better use a Voltmeter, not an Ohmmeter ;-)


 2013/1/16 Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com

 Thanks to all who replied was too early in the morning I guess, a CRS
 moment.

 Thx  73,
 Fred/N0AZZ

 -Original Message-
 From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:18 AM
 To: Fred Smith
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

 Fred,

 I never can remember, but my ohmmeter will tell me in an instant. Stick
 one probe in the center conductor and check each lead for continuity -
 the one with continuity is the positive lead.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 1/16/2013 7:34 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
  Which wire is the positive on the cable the one with the long striped
 lines?
  or the other which I think is the negitive. Looked on line and in the
 boob
  can't find.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

2013-01-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
How do I use a voltmeter to check continuity on a power cord connected 
to nothing other than the meter?


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2013 9:48 AM, Holger Schurig wrote:

Don, better use a Voltmeter, not an Ohmmeter ;-)


2013/1/16 Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com


Thanks to all who replied was too early in the morning I guess, a CRS
moment.

Thx  73,
Fred/N0AZZ

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:18 AM
To: Fred Smith
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

Fred,

I never can remember, but my ohmmeter will tell me in an instant. Stick
one probe in the center conductor and check each lead for continuity -
the one with continuity is the positive lead.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2013 7:34 AM, Fred Smith wrote:

Which wire is the positive on the cable the one with the long striped

lines?

or the other which I think is the negitive. Looked on line and in the

boob

can't find.


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[Elecraft] DVK question

2013-01-16 Thread Scott Dunlavey

stupid question... what is a DVK..? I looked and cant find it


scott
w2ntv
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Re: [Elecraft] DVK question

2013-01-16 Thread N2TK, Tony
Digital Voice Keyer.
Many years ago MFJ came out with an external electronic memory DVK. This
replaced our closed loop cassette tape deck voice keyers. As soon as we got
it we made a small 4-button push box with a 5 wire cable so we could have
the buttons close by. 
It's kind of like we now do with the Elecraft KDVR and using the F-keys on
the keyboard for keying it.

73,
N2TK, Tony

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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:53 AM
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Subject: [Elecraft] DVK question

stupid question... what is a DVK..? I looked and cant find it


scott
w2ntv
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Cord

2013-01-16 Thread Ray Sills
It's always a good idea to double check with a meter.  It's not  
inconceivable that the power cord might later on get mixed up with  
similar type cords... which might use a different color coding  
system.  If in doubt.. measure.


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211


On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Beford wrote:


Fred, It -is- in the manual, on page 4, under POWER SUPPLY:

A power cable with a 2.1-mm plug is supplied. The
wire with the white stripe is positive. Trim the cable
to the desired length. Plug the cable into the 9-15
VDC jack, shown at left in the illustration below.

But, as Don says, when in doubt, your ohmmeter will reveal reality.
73,
Bruce, N1RX


Which wire is the positive on the cable the one with the long striped
lines? or the other which I think is the negitive. Looked on line and
in the book.. can't find.




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[Elecraft] K2/10 upgrade!

2013-01-16 Thread sidney sudberg
Thanks to all for the great responses.  I am now clear on what I need to
do, given my situation, needs  future plans!



73,

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[Elecraft] Remote Rig questions

2013-01-16 Thread Philip Graitcer
As of today, I am the lucky owner of two K3s and of a wonderful salt water QTH. 
I would like to remote the seaside K3 to my city QTH using the Remote Rig 
options available on the Elecraft website but have these two questions:

1. What do folks general use for disconnecting the remote antenna and remote 
power supplies?

2. I am a Mac user, and although I have delved deeply into the manuals, it 
appears that the over internet setup is PC based. Has anyone done this with a 
Mac, or will be obliged to borrow a PC or install Parallels. And does Parallels 
have the right drivers to make this work.

Thanks!

Phil, W3HZZ
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Re: [Elecraft] YALB

2013-01-16 Thread Jim Rhodes
I could go for that, would be nice to have a blank front panel to drill for
switches, etc. It would be nice to have a matching cabinet for antenna
switching, tower control, etc in the stack.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jim Miller j...@jtmiller.com wrote:

 I keep building and cluttering my station with YALBs (yet another little
 box). I suspect I'm not alone.

 I'm looking at the KAT500 and the amount of panel space it provides and
 think it would be a good choice for consolidation of my YALBs.

 It would also fit nicely over the top of the K3 as the KAT500 fits over the
 KPA500. I don't have a lot of space so the Feng Shui would be nice.

 I'm thinking that a black plastic front plate could be
 cut/engraved/modified and attached to the front since there isn't likely a
 blank panel available.

 Anyone similarly inclined?

 jim ab3cv
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Re: [Elecraft] YALB

2013-01-16 Thread Oscar Staudt
Was just thinking similar thoughts:  KAT500 on top makes the k-line
non-symetrical in height.  Another KAT500 sized box would even it up. I was
wondering about such a box with a set of good quality speakers (for
stereo).

Of course,  this then begs the question of what to stack on top of the P3 :)

Oscar, WB5GCX

On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, Jim Miller wrote:

 I keep building and cluttering my station with YALBs (yet another little
 box). I suspect I'm not alone.

 I'm looking at the KAT500 and the amount of panel space it provides and
 think it would be a good choice for consolidation of my YALBs.

 It would also fit nicely over the top of the K3 as the KAT500 fits over the
 KPA500. I don't have a lot of space so the Feng Shui would be nice.

 I'm thinking that a black plastic front plate could be
 cut/engraved/modified and attached to the front since there isn't likely a
 blank panel available.

 Anyone similarly inclined?

 jim ab3cv
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Rig questions

2013-01-16 Thread Jim Rhodes
The actual setup can mostly if not all done via a browser interface. If you
use a K3 on both ends your computer is accessed via the same software as
you use for direct connection. The two boxes just fool the computer into
thinking it is controlling the radio directly. Actually no computer is
needed for operation in this mode. Speakers and mike plug into the box at
the control point.

As for switching I use mine in reverse. I control my home station when I am
away from home. So I just use a serial relay control box that gives me 8
relays to switch things which I control via remote operation of my shack
PC.. There are ethernet controlled switches available that allow you to
switch AC power or low level circuits via an internet connection, but I
have not really looked into them.

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Philip Graitcer pgra...@me.com wrote:

 As of today, I am the lucky owner of two K3s and of a wonderful salt water
 QTH. I would like to remote the seaside K3 to my city QTH using the Remote
 Rig options available on the Elecraft website but have these two questions:

 1. What do folks general use for disconnecting the remote antenna and
 remote power supplies?

 2. I am a Mac user, and although I have delved deeply into the manuals, it
 appears that the over internet setup is PC based. Has anyone done this with
 a Mac, or will be obliged to borrow a PC or install Parallels. And does
 Parallels have the right drivers to make this work.

 Thanks!

 Phil, W3HZZ
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[Elecraft] K3 , XV144, XV432 for Satellite work?

2013-01-16 Thread KD7YZ Bob
Howdy K3' people:

Does anyone use K3 , XV144, XV432 for Satellite work?

I have my Transverters which were put together by our very own Don,
W3FPR.  Since they look so good and work so nicely I decided I wanted to
try them on the available satellites.   However, I haven't a clue if
this is possible.

So if you're currently doing this, please email me direct and go thru
how I configure things for this mode. It's been 20 or 30 years since
I've tried the birds.

If you don't have transverters and are thinking about it, send them over
to Don and you'll be in business quickly. You can spend your time
putting up the tracking antennas while he puts the Xvrtrs together.



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Re: [Elecraft] YALB

2013-01-16 Thread Jim Rhodes
Just sitting here looking at the cases and it occurs to me that with some
extra 2D connectors one could construct a front panel using flat strips of
sheet metal. With attention paid to the location for drilling the holes for
the 2D connectors. Might have to make up some jigs with drilled out 2D
connectors for proper placement. Have to look for a source for precision
cut panels I guess.

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Oscar Staudt wb5...@gmail.com wrote:

 Was just thinking similar thoughts:  KAT500 on top makes the k-line
 non-symetrical in height.  Another KAT500 sized box would even it up. I was
 wondering about such a box with a set of good quality speakers (for
 stereo).

 Of course,  this then begs the question of what to stack on top of the P3
 :)

 Oscar, WB5GCX

 On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, Jim Miller wrote:

  I keep building and cluttering my station with YALBs (yet another little
  box). I suspect I'm not alone.
 
  I'm looking at the KAT500 and the amount of panel space it provides and
  think it would be a good choice for consolidation of my YALBs.
 
  It would also fit nicely over the top of the K3 as the KAT500 fits over
 the
  KPA500. I don't have a lot of space so the Feng Shui would be nice.
 
  I'm thinking that a black plastic front plate could be
  cut/engraved/modified and attached to the front since there isn't likely
 a
  blank panel available.
 
  Anyone similarly inclined?
 
  jim ab3cv
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Re: [Elecraft] YALB

2013-01-16 Thread hawley, charles j jr
The KAP500 and the K3 both are the width of the KAT500.
And the P3 needs the W2 sitting on top of it.

...slurp...

Chuck, KE9UW
Lionel Trains, TCA, LCCA, LRRC
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles BMWMOA #224


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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] YALB

Was just thinking similar thoughts:  KAT500 on top makes the k-line
non-symetrical in height.  Another KAT500 sized box would even it up. I was
wondering about such a box with a set of good quality speakers (for
stereo).

Of course,  this then begs the question of what to stack on top of the P3 :)

Oscar, WB5GCX

On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, Jim Miller wrote:

 I keep building and cluttering my station with YALBs (yet another little
 box). I suspect I'm not alone.

 I'm looking at the KAT500 and the amount of panel space it provides and
 think it would be a good choice for consolidation of my YALBs.

 It would also fit nicely over the top of the K3 as the KAT500 fits over the
 KPA500. I don't have a lot of space so the Feng Shui would be nice.

 I'm thinking that a black plastic front plate could be
 cut/engraved/modified and attached to the front since there isn't likely a
 blank panel available.

 Anyone similarly inclined?

 jim ab3cv
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Re: [Elecraft] YALB

2013-01-16 Thread Jim Miller
And the front and back appear to be identical U shaped bits which if
unpunched are interchangable.

jim ab3cv
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Re: [Elecraft] YALB

2013-01-16 Thread K2GN
FYI - 
I have 2 KAT500 sitting between 2 KPA500.
The stack of KAT500 falls 1 1/4 short of the KPA500.

Larry/K2GN - http://k2gn.com

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Oscar Staudt
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] YALB

Was just thinking similar thoughts:  KAT500 on top makes the k-line
non-symetrical in height.  Another KAT500 sized box would even it up. I was
wondering about such a box with a set of good quality speakers (for stereo).

Of course,  this then begs the question of what to stack on top of the P3 :)

Oscar, WB5GCX

On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, Jim Miller wrote:

 I keep building and cluttering my station with YALBs (yet another 
 little box). I suspect I'm not alone.

 I'm looking at the KAT500 and the amount of panel space it provides 
 and think it would be a good choice for consolidation of my YALBs.

 It would also fit nicely over the top of the K3 as the KAT500 fits 
 over the KPA500. I don't have a lot of space so the Feng Shui would be
nice.

 I'm thinking that a black plastic front plate could be 
 cut/engraved/modified and attached to the front since there isn't 
 likely a blank panel available.

 Anyone similarly inclined?

 jim ab3cv
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[Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Phil Hystad
On a couple of earlier messages (one from Rob Sherwood) the notion of a fun 
radio to operate was raised and how that might become a deciding factor among 
many different radios with similar receive performance.

My question is what is a fun radio?  I have heard that some think the K3, being 
somewhat menu driven, is not a fun radio where as something like a Yaesu with a 
button and knob for every function is fun.  I must be a contrarian because I 
think the less buttons without compromising performance or functionality is 
better.

For example, I also have an Icom Pro 3 that has buttons for some menu options 
on my K3.  I use those Icom buttons so rarely that sometimes I need to look up 
in the user guide again to remind myself what they do and how to use them.  
Anything rarely used in my opinion is fodder for menu operation.

So, if I wanted to buy a fun radio, which one would it be?  I would like to 
know more of what people consider fun in this regard because it is a mystery to 
me.

73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Bob
That Yaesu rig to which you refer takes up a lot more space and weighs
several times what my K3 does -- which is another factor.

I find that I rarely use the K3 menus.  In my case that was mostly a set
and forget thing.  Beyond that I find it very easy and fun to use my K3.
Unlike a brand new, best in Icom thinking IC9100 which was a nightmare to
use by comparison (and nowhere near the performance) which required
constant menu interaction for the most mundane things.  I rarely use the
9100 for that reason.

Human factors are very important and seem to be often overlooked.  For an
example of how not to do things, just take a look at some of the cheap dual
band handhelds coming from China.

73, Bob, WB4SON
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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Anthony Scandurra
Fun is in the eye of the beholder.

Pardon the wordplay, but I think it is clear that everyone has their own
vision of fun.

It depends on the operating circumstances as well.

No easy answers...

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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Ian Kahn
To me, part of what makes a rig fun to operate is, q

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Anthony Scandurra 
anthony.scandu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fun is in the eye of the beholder.

 Pardon the wordplay, but I think it is clear that everyone has their own
 vision of fun.

 It depends on the operating circumstances as well.

 No easy answers...

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-16 Thread DL5OCD
Hi Eric,
thanks for jump in here. Gary already contacted me and told me to do the
whole recalibration when i want to use the peak-hold function. I decided now
to not use this feature because when i want to switch it off i`ve to do that
again...

73 and many thanks for the fast support...

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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Keith Heimbold
I have owned some yaesu rigs (FT950, 920,450,857D) and most have menus at one 
level or another. The FT920 was the easiest one to operate but the other three 
had levels of menus similar to the K3.

I think the K3 may have a steeper learning curve compared to those other 
radios, but once you get familiarized with the radio it is easy and fun. 

Plus it is way more fun to hear (and  then work) stations that you cannot hear 
on those other radios and I have done A/B testing and can attest to those extra 
DXCC entity contacts that I would not have had without the K3. So definitely 
more fun for me.

Keith 
AK6ZZ

Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos

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 Fun is in the eye of the beholder.
 
 Pardon the wordplay, but I think it is clear that everyone has their own
 vision of fun.
 
 It depends on the operating circumstances as well.
 
 No easy answers...
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Ian Kahn
Sorry, all.  I had an extreme fat finger moment and accidentally sent my
incomplete reply.

As I was saying, part of what makes a rig fun to operate is, quite
simply, can I make the contact?  To make it a bit more complex, can I make
the contact regardless of what band/mode I'm operating on.  With the K3, I
can say, unequivocally, yes.  I had an FT-857D before my K3. I still think
that is an excellent rig and, in fact, it is now installed in my car for
mobile operating.  But, due to performance differences, there are simply
contacts I've made on my K3, the first try, that I never would have gotten,
or even heard, on the FT-857, all else being equal.

I appreciate the fact that the set and forget functions on the K3 are
mostly in the menus and the functions I'm likely to use while operating are
clearly labeled buttons or knobs on front of the transceiver.

To me, this combination of features absolutely makes the K3 a fun rig to
operate.

73,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA EM74ua
km4ik@gmail.com
K3 #281, P3 #688
HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Ian Kahn km4ik@gmail.com wrote:

 To me, part of what makes a rig fun to operate is, q


 On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Anthony Scandurra 
 anthony.scandu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fun is in the eye of the beholder.

 Pardon the wordplay, but I think it is clear that everyone has their own
 vision of fun.

 It depends on the operating circumstances as well.

 No easy answers...

 73, Tony K4QE
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Re: [Elecraft] YALB

2013-01-16 Thread Rick Bates
Make the box wider and cover the P3 too so what isn't used by speakers is 
notepad, pen and mouse storage.  That would even up the full width spacing so 
the shack laptop (or monitor) can sit higher for better ergonomic viewing.  ;-)

It makes a nice compact station. 

Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Oscar Staudt wb5...@gmail.com wrote:

 Was just thinking similar thoughts:  KAT500 on top makes the k-line
 non-symetrical in height.  Another KAT500 sized box would even it up. I was
 wondering about such a box with a set of good quality speakers (for
 stereo).
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[Elecraft] Kenwood MC43 with KX3

2013-01-16 Thread Jeff Hetherington
Hello Everybody.

I know that this should be a straight forward installation, but I seem to be 
having issues, hi hi.

Does anybody have a working MC43 on their KX3 that would be willing to share 
the pin-outs?  

Thanks.
73/72
 
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VA3JFF / VE3CW
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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
Fun is being able to work a weak station in between two strong ones - 
the K3 can do that.
With the subRX, you can listen to the DX and the pileup and pick your 
transmit frequency - that is 'fun'.


Like my Mazda, it is 'sure-footed' in curves and has good performance - 
that makes it 'fun' to drive.

Of course, to each his own.
Last Field Day a few operators used my K3 - comments received were that 
it heard little QRM even on crowded bands and it was easy to make 
contacts because of that.  I would say that is what makes a 'fun' radio.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2013 1:03 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:

On a couple of earlier messages (one from Rob Sherwood) the notion of a fun 
radio to operate was raised and how that might become a deciding factor among many 
different radios with similar receive performance.

My question is what is a fun radio?  I have heard that some think the K3, being 
somewhat menu driven, is not a fun radio where as something like a Yaesu with a 
button and knob for every function is fun.  I must be a contrarian because I 
think the less buttons without compromising performance or functionality is 
better.

For example, I also have an Icom Pro 3 that has buttons for some menu options 
on my K3.  I use those Icom buttons so rarely that sometimes I need to look up 
in the user guide again to remind myself what they do and how to use them.  
Anything rarely used in my opinion is fodder for menu operation.

So, if I wanted to buy a fun radio, which one would it be?  I would like to 
know more of what people consider fun in this regard because it is a mystery to 
me.

73, phil, K7PEH

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[Elecraft] K3 CWT Function with firmware MCU 4.60 / DSP 2.80

2013-01-16 Thread Chad Wasinger
Has anyone experienced any issues with not decoding a good cw signal via the 
CWT function on firmware version 4.60/2.80? I've been running the older 4.48 
which is the best firmware I've seen for the CWT function to work properly. I 
did note that the 4.60 firmware had some fixes in it for the CWT function, yet 
I'm not having any luck making it work right. I've tried all the recommend 
settings as well. When I revert back to 4.48, all is good. Also, my KX3 is spot 
on with the CW decoding. I thought possibly my AGC menu's might need adjusted 
but looks like this new release has it's own independent AGC algorithms.
Suggestions?
Thanks,ChadN0YK

  
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[Elecraft] KX3 POWER ON/OFF OPTION

2013-01-16 Thread KM4VX
Great radio and I am enjoying it along with my other Elecraft products:  K1,
K2, KAT100, KA100. K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500, W2 and XG3 (walking
advertisement). Question: It would be very convenient if one could turn on
and off the KX3 with one button as opposed to having to push two. For those
of us sans backpack the two button security feature is more cumbersome than
one might imagine, particularly when using the Nifty Ham Accessory stand for
the KX3 and the many input ports on the left side of the radio. If this
option could be made available in a software/firmware upgrade it would be
helpful for those of us not planning to ham while mountain climbing, skiiing
or scuba diving etc. Thanks. Ron KM4VX



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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Phil Hystad
I too agree that the notion of fun is in the eye of the beholder.  In some 
social gatherings, my wife might mention that I regularly take math books to 
bed at night for casual night time reading.  Things like differential geometry, 
topology, group theory, etc.  There are the obvious chuckles from others about 
my reading choices as most think that math is NOT fun.  But, too me it is very 
enjoyable and a passion.

So, fun is in the eye of the beholder but I was mostly looking for opinions (as 
has been shown so far) into what fun is in a radio because I had never thought 
that much about it.  But, I do agree that the multiple button pushes for band 
changing on the K3 is a hassle which is one reason I bought the KPA500 since 
the individual band push buttons erase that problem -- I also use it as an 
amplifier too.

About that K3 band press problem -- I have a fix for it but I wonder if Eric 
and Wayne would agree.  I would use the 12 buttons just to the right of the 
display on the K3 (the 12 button 3x4 grid) as band buttons with the help of an 
escape key.  That is, just two button pushes for any band.  Just push the 
escape key which holds the escape function for two seconds say and then press 
the appropriate button identified for the band.  For 160 thru 2 (2 meter 
option) you would need to use all 12 buttons.  The work of course would 
probably require re-labeling the buttons in a worst case besides firmware 
modification.  Possibilities for the escape key would maybe be the frequency 
enter but that would be problematic or maybe the SUB key button and then change 
that out to be a press/Hold style where the hold is either escape function or 
sub function.  This may need a hardware change for the button maybe.

phil


On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Ian Kahn km4ik@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry, all.  I had an extreme fat finger moment and accidentally sent my 
 incomplete reply.
  
 As I was saying, part of what makes a rig fun to operate is, quite simply, 
 can I make the contact?  To make it a bit more complex, can I make the 
 contact regardless of what band/mode I'm operating on.  With the K3, I can 
 say, unequivocally, yes.  I had an FT-857D before my K3. I still think that 
 is an excellent rig and, in fact, it is now installed in my car for mobile 
 operating.  But, due to performance differences, there are simply contacts 
 I've made on my K3, the first try, that I never would have gotten, or even 
 heard, on the FT-857, all else being equal.
  
 I appreciate the fact that the set and forget functions on the K3 are 
 mostly in the menus and the functions I'm likely to use while operating are 
 clearly labeled buttons or knobs on front of the transceiver.
  
 To me, this combination of features absolutely makes the K3 a fun rig to 
 operate.
  
 73,
  
 --Ian
 Ian Kahn, KM4IK
 Roswell, GA EM74ua
 km4ik@gmail.com
 K3 #281, P3 #688
 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team
 On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Ian Kahn km4ik@gmail.com wrote:
 To me, part of what makes a rig fun to operate is, q
 
 
 On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Anthony Scandurra 
 anthony.scandu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Fun is in the eye of the beholder.
 
 Pardon the wordplay, but I think it is clear that everyone has their own
 vision of fun.
 
 It depends on the operating circumstances as well.
 
 No easy answers...
 
 73, Tony K4QE
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 POWER ON/OFF OPTION

2013-01-16 Thread Gary Gregory
Ron,

That would be a nice 'option' to have.

I use my KX3 as a mobile rig and when touring and I come into a town I need
to either turn the volume down (easy) or simply turn it off and this does
become more complicated with the 2 button press while keeping my eyes on
the road ahead.

I don't know IF this could be done but I would welcome any work around that
may come along?

73
Gary

On 17 January 2013 05:39, KM4VX ronce...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Great radio and I am enjoying it along with my other Elecraft products:
  K1,
 K2, KAT100, KA100. K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500, W2 and XG3 (walking
 advertisement). Question: It would be very convenient if one could turn on
 and off the KX3 with one button as opposed to having to push two. For those
 of us sans backpack the two button security feature is more cumbersome than
 one might imagine, particularly when using the Nifty Ham Accessory stand
 for
 the KX3 and the many input ports on the left side of the radio. If this
 option could be made available in a software/firmware upgrade it would be
 helpful for those of us not planning to ham while mountain climbing,
 skiiing
 or scuba diving etc. Thanks. Ron KM4VX



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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Jim Brown

On 1/16/2013 10:03 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:

My question is what is a fun radio?  I have heard that some think the K3, being 
somewhat menu driven, is not a fun radio where as something like a Yaesu with a 
button and knob for every function is fun.


You have heard wrong.  The radio is VERY easy to operate.  Menus on the 
K3 are used to change SETUP functions -- that is, to tailor the radio to 
the way you want to use it.


Virtually everything you would normally do while USING the radio on the 
air is on the front panel in the form of knobs or buttons. Most have 
multiple functions -- a short push does the most commonly needed thing, 
a long push of a button does something else. Both functions are printed 
on the panel, in different colors. Likewise, knobs have multiple 
functions, activated either by mode (CW, SSB, or digital), or by 
toggling between functions, with LEDs telling you which function is 
selected. Again, most commonly used functions are the default.  For 
example, one knob is mic gain in SSB, or CW speed.  Another knob is 
Power Out, or Compression.  Two knobs set the IF bandwidth, and can be 
used as either Bandwidth and Shift, or as Low and High audio frequency 
of the IF. Toggling is done by simply a push on the knob.  There's a 
button that turns the second RX on and off, puts the radio in Diversity 
Mode, or sets in Tracking mode (that is, for things like Satellite work).


There are two levels of menus -- the first level accesses those things 
you are most likely to want to change, like VOX sensitivity, and whether 
you want to use only the mic as a source for SSB, the mic plus the line 
input, or only the line input.  The radio is VERY flexible, and can be 
used in many different ways, and can be optimized for many different 
applications.  You can, for example, change AGC slopes, have the radio 
remember most settings, including Power Out by band, remember Mic/Line 
choices by mode, and so on. Another menu function is to set the 8-band 
equalizers for TX and RX (separately).  Again, these are functions you 
only do when you either start with the radio or start using a new mic or 
headphones.


Another feature is that ANY two menu functions can be assigned to two 
soft buttons.  So far, I've found a need for only one of them -- I 
have my Yamaha CM500 plugged into the rear panel, and I sometimes want 
to use the speaker at the same time, so one of those buttons Toggles the 
Speaker on and off without turning off the Phones.


So, bottom line, the K3 is VERY easy to operate, everything you normally 
need is on the front panel knobs or buttons, the menus are rarely used, 
and easy to use if you RTFM.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 CWT Function with firmware MCU 4.60 / DSP 2.80

2013-01-16 Thread Brian Alsop
CWT is not working as well in 4.61 either.  It doesn't hit zero beat 
within 4 Hz.  It used to be spot on.  This observation was made and 
posted here when 4.61 came out.


73 de Brian/K3KO


On 1/16/2013 18:36, Chad Wasinger wrote:

Has anyone experienced any issues with not decoding a good cw signal via the 
CWT function on firmware version 4.60/2.80? I've been running the older 4.48 
which is the best firmware I've seen for the CWT function to work properly. I 
did note that the 4.60 firmware had some fixes in it for the CWT function, yet 
I'm not having any luck making it work right. I've tried all the recommend 
settings as well. When I revert back to 4.48, all is good. Also, my KX3 is spot 
on with the CW decoding. I thought possibly my AGC menu's might need adjusted 
but looks like this new release has it's own independent AGC algorithms.
Suggestions?
Thanks,ChadN0YK


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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Phil Hystad

On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:

 On 1/16/2013 10:03 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
 My question is what is a fun radio?  I have heard that some think the K3, 
 being somewhat menu driven, is not a fun radio where as something like a 
 Yaesu with a button and knob for every function is fun.
 
 You have heard wrong.  The radio is VERY easy to operate.  Menus on the K3 
 are used to change SETUP functions -- that is, to tailor the radio to the way 
 you want to use it.
 


No Jim, I have heard right.  I hear a lot of people say that the K3 is menu 
driven and therefore not easy to operate.  On Eham for example, just about 
every time someone suggests the K3 as a good radio to have, someone else or 
multiple someones will raise that complaint about the K3.  If I am in some QSO 
and give my rig as the K3 someone might ask if it is hard to use with the menus 
and all that.

But, you have me pegged wrong though.  I am not saying it is hard to operate.  
I love my K3 and I would not switch away from it for any radio that now exists 
(I may switch to something yet to be built and most likely something new and 
improved like an Elecraft K4 or K5 or whatever.  But, the fact is, among those 
who have not used a K3, this one complaint about it versus other radios like 
yaesus or whatever seems to be a stickler.  I agree that it is not well founded 
but it does exist.

Disclaimer:  I own a KX1, KX3, K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and several of the 
mini-module kits.

phil


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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Don Wilhelm

Phil,

The ability to use 10 of those 12 buttons is already present - look at 
Quick Memories in the manual.
The 'escape' button is the MV button, giving you the 2 button band 
change you want.

I almost never use the band up/down buttons on my K3.

73,
Don W3FPR
On 1/16/2013 1:45 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:


About that K3 band press problem -- I have a fix for it but I wonder if Eric 
and Wayne would agree.  I would use the 12 buttons just to the right of the 
display on the K3 (the 12 button 3x4 grid) as band buttons with the help of an 
escape key.  That is, just two button pushes for any band.  Just push the 
escape key which holds the escape function for two seconds say and then press 
the appropriate button identified for the band.  For 160 thru 2 (2 meter 
option) you would need to use all 12 buttons.  The work of course would 
probably require re-labeling the buttons in a worst case besides firmware 
modification.  Possibilities for the escape key would maybe be the frequency 
enter but that would be problematic or maybe the SUB key button and then change 
that out to be a press/Hold style where the hold is either escape function or 
sub function.  This may need a hardware change for the button maybe.





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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Ted Bryant
Is the K3 a fun radio to operate?  - Absolutely !!
Are there other fun radios to operate? - Absolutely !!

Now, can we have FUN and make some QSO's (while we have a few sunspots)! 

For example, come play in K6VVA's Locust QSO Party
(http://www.k6vva.com/lqp/) which is tonight at 0200-0259z.


73, Ted W4NZ


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On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:

 On 1/16/2013 10:03 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
 My question is what is a fun radio?  I have heard that some think the K3,
being somewhat menu driven, is not a fun radio where as something like a
Yaesu with a button and knob for every function is fun.
 
 You have heard wrong.  The radio is VERY easy to operate.  Menus on the K3
are used to change SETUP functions -- that is, to tailor the radio to the
way you want to use it.
 


No Jim, I have heard right.  I hear a lot of people say that the K3 is menu
driven and therefore not easy to operate.  On Eham for example, just about
every time someone suggests the K3 as a good radio to have, someone else or
multiple someones will raise that complaint about the K3.  If I am in some
QSO and give my rig as the K3 someone might ask if it is hard to use with
the menus and all that.

But, you have me pegged wrong though.  I am not saying it is hard to
operate.  I love my K3 and I would not switch away from it for any radio
that now exists (I may switch to something yet to be built and most likely
something new and improved like an Elecraft K4 or K5 or whatever.  But, the
fact is, among those who have not used a K3, this one complaint about it
versus other radios like yaesus or whatever seems to be a stickler.  I agree
that it is not well founded but it does exist.

Disclaimer:  I own a KX1, KX3, K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and several of the
mini-module kits.

phil

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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Jim Brown

On 1/16/2013 10:55 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:

No Jim, I have heard right.  I hear a lot of people say that the K3 is menu 
driven and therefore not easy to operate.  On Eham for example, just about 
every time someone suggests the K3 as a good radio to have, someone else or 
multiple someones will raise that complaint about the K3.  If I am in some QSO 
and give my rig as the K3 someone might ask if it is hard to use with the menus 
and all that.


Again, you have heard wrong.  It's the oft repeated lie that if 
repeated often enough is believed as gospel. People repeat what they 
have heard, and often from folks who have no knowledge of the facts (in 
this case, don't own the radio). Anyone awake during our recent 
political campaigns heard MANY examples of this.


I own three K3s, two of them for at least three years, and I almost 
never use the menus except to set VOX levels. I operate about 20 
contests a year, CW, SSB, RTTY, run SO2R for most of them. During the 
week I do DXing on CW and SSB, use JT65, mostly on 160, and occasionally 
use several of the WSJT modes on 6M.


Before the K3s, I've owned FT1000MPs, IC746s, TS850s, K2s, an Omni V.9, 
and Omni A, and an FT100D.  I've also used, briefly, an IC7000 in my 
neighbor's mobile setup. The 746, IC7000,  and FT100D are so menu 
driven for normal on-the-air functions that they are almost unusable. 
The MP menus are no thrill, and the radio is FAR less versatile and a 
good notch down in performance.   .


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Elecraft K3

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

 
 The...  and FT100D are so menu driven for normal on-the-air functions that 
 they are almost unusable.

That funny.  The FT100D and the K3 are the only two HF radios I've ever owned.  
The K3 seems to have an impossible amount of front panel control after the 
FT100D.

Like you Jim, I seldom go into the menus.  I have a blast using the K3 - it is 
an absolute joy to operate on the digital modes.

Another country heard from,

73 de Eric, KG6MZS
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 CWT Function with firmware MCU 4.60 / DSP 2.80

2013-01-16 Thread Mike Harris
4Hz. For one who offsets with XIT 50-60Hz in a simplex pileup to 
avoid the zero beat mush this tiny error is of no consequence.  Oops, 
have I just given away another pileup busting secret?  I'll keep to 
myself whether it is a high or low offset.


Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 16/01/2013 15:52, Brian Alsop wrote:

CWT is not working as well in 4.61 either.  It doesn't hit zero beat
within 4 Hz.  It used to be spot on.  This observation was made and
posted here when 4.61 came out.

73 de Brian/K3KO


On 1/16/2013 18:36, Chad Wasinger wrote:

Has anyone experienced any issues with not decoding a good cw signal
via the CWT function on firmware version 4.60/2.80? I've been running
the older 4.48 which is the best firmware I've seen for the CWT
function to work properly. I did note that the 4.60 firmware had some
fixes in it for the CWT function, yet I'm not having any luck making
it work right. I've tried all the recommend settings as well. When I
revert back to 4.48, all is good. Also, my KX3 is spot on with the CW
decoding. I thought possibly my AGC menu's might need adjusted but
looks like this new release has it's own independent AGC algorithms.
Suggestions?
Thanks,ChadN0YK

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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Phil Hystad
Don,

Thanks for the pointer.  For some reason, I never caught on about using the 
quick memory buttons.  But, now I am so used to using my KPA500 that I will 
probably continue to use that.

73, phil


On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Phil,
 
 The ability to use 10 of those 12 buttons is already present - look at Quick 
 Memories in the manual.
 The 'escape' button is the MV button, giving you the 2 button band change 
 you want.
 I almost never use the band up/down buttons on my K3.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 On 1/16/2013 1:45 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
 
 About that K3 band press problem -- I have a fix for it but I wonder if Eric 
 and Wayne would agree.  I would use the 12 buttons just to the right of the 
 display on the K3 (the 12 button 3x4 grid) as band buttons with the help of 
 an escape key.  That is, just two button pushes for any band.  Just push the 
 escape key which holds the escape function for two seconds say and then 
 press the appropriate button identified for the band.  For 160 thru 2 (2 
 meter option) you would need to use all 12 buttons.  The work of course 
 would probably require re-labeling the buttons in a worst case besides 
 firmware modification.  Possibilities for the escape key would maybe be the 
 frequency enter but that would be problematic or maybe the SUB key button 
 and then change that out to be a press/Hold style where the hold is either 
 escape function or sub function.  This may need a hardware change for the 
 button maybe.
 
 
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Bruce Beford
No, he actually did not hear wrong. He heard exactly what was said.
However, what was said was factually incorrect.
73,
Bruce, N1RX

 Again, you have heard wrong.


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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
Yes.

Being able to dial the high cut down to 2.05 kHz and having the 2.1 kHz
filter switch in and not hear the QSO 2 kc down while hearing the net or
round table with just a slight loss of fidelitly adds to my enjoyment of
amateur radio.

Perfection would be if the auto-notch filter took out all carriers with
no discernable distortion.  :-)

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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Adams
For me, I see three possible elements of fun:

1.  Being able to work other stations, without the radio getting in the way
is fun.
2.  Being able to tweak settings, trying different things, is also fun.
3.  Having an aesthetically pleasing display, being able to make
pretty-colored meters move, has an element of fun for some.

The K3 excels at #1 and #2.   #3 is less important to me.  :)

I also have an Icom 7000.  It was my first HF rig, and I still have it for
mobile/portable/backup purposes.   I enjoy it too (even if the RX isn't as
good as the K3's), but its small size means you have to go digging in menus
to change certain settings...and that in turn means that the radio can get
in the way of making contacts.   It's still fun (after you have climbed the
learning curve)...but the fun level is lower as compared to the K3's.

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[Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Edward Dickinson III
One notion of what might be fun in a radio is one which  requires the least
user interaction to achieve the desired communication results.  


Dick - KA5KKT

 On a couple of earlier messages the notion of a fun radio to operate was
raised.(snip)

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 CWT Function with firmware MCU 4.60 / DSP 2.80

2013-01-16 Thread Wayne Burdick
It has never been consistently any better than 5 Hz (the target for  
this feature) in any version. Accuracy varies with band noise, filter  
bandwidth, QSB, etc. If you were getting spot on in a previous  
release, it must be all in the wrist :)


73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Brian Alsop wrote:

CWT is not working as well in 4.61 either.  It doesn't hit zero beat  
within 4 Hz.  It used to be spot on.  This observation was made and  
posted here when 4.61 came out.


73 de Brian/K3KO


On 1/16/2013 18:36, Chad Wasinger wrote:
Has anyone experienced any issues with not decoding a good cw  
signal via the CWT function on firmware version 4.60/2.80? I've  
been running the older 4.48 which is the best firmware I've seen  
for the CWT function to work properly. I did note that the 4.60  
firmware had some fixes in it for the CWT function, yet I'm not  
having any luck making it work right. I've tried all the recommend  
settings as well. When I revert back to 4.48, all is good. Also, my  
KX3 is spot on with the CW decoding. I thought possibly my AGC  
menu's might need adjusted but looks like this new release has it's  
own independent AGC algorithms.

Suggestions?
Thanks,ChadN0YK


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[Elecraft] KPA500 interrupter question

2013-01-16 Thread K9IR
Just want to be sure I'm understanding the KPA500 documentation and what I've
read on the reflector before I start pin pulling.

I just noticed my M/F interrupter 15 pin adapter that came with the Y
cable has all 15 pins. My understanding is that I would need to remove pin
10 to use it for the purpose mentioned in the documentation that comes with
the Y cable kit.

If I wanted to get around the Pin 11 conflict that occurs when using the Y
cable with the PR6, I would need to remove pin 11 from a M/F 15 pin adapter.

If any of the foregoing is wrong, please let me know. Thanks.

73 Paula k9ir



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 CWT Function with firmware MCU 4.60 / DSP 2.80

2013-01-16 Thread Brian - K1NW
I have had very good success decoding CW by adjusting the RF Gain. I think it
is actually better with the latest firmware than in the past.



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Re: [Elecraft] Fun To Use

2013-01-16 Thread Steven Kline
Exactly, great summary and very well stated Gary - 73 Steve W5JK

On Jan 16, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

 I have read all the posts to date and FWIW I have this personal view.
 
 All the major manufacturers make Fun transceivers. By this I mean many here
 in VK simply use amateur radio on 40/80M daily to chat with friends and
 acquaintances on a daily basis and do little if no other operation and
 therefore many use older transceivers and enjoy what they do obviously.
 Then there are those who for whatever reason feel a need to have a 'new'
 transceiver, be it high end or low varies greatly but they too appear to be
 having fun with their chosen transceiver.
 
 I have also listened to 'other' operators who seem to want a technically
 superior transceiver and will not be put off by a higher dollar value if
 they are convinced that their choice of model/manufacturer will give them
 what they perceive to be the best transceiver. Then there are those that
 are Brand Loyalist and by this I mean it must be from one manufacturer that
 they feel is the only one that does it right and all others fall short.
 
 Finally there is the group of avid contesters who often don't care what the
 brand is but they do care greatly what the receiver can do for them and
 they are results oriented and usually do not swap transceivers all that
 often when compared to the 'other' style of operators I mentioned above.
 
 
 I have had many and varied models/brands over the years too and I am a DX
 chaser and part time contester as I enjoy the personal challenge of
 contesting but I do not participate in every contest. I have had some
 'dogs' along the way too as well as a couple of the so called high dollar
 models and when I discovered Elecraft by accident (fat finger web browsing)
 and the soon to be released K3 I wondered what all the hue and cry was
 about. I dove in early and have never been more happy with a choice. Is it
 fun for me to use my K3...you betcha sweet bippy it is.
 
 I don't vary my settings very often at all and yet I was told just the
 other day by a Collins Owner/Lover that he thought the K3 was 'too
 fiddly' to use. He sat down on 40M with my K3 hooked to his 40M beam and
 worked several EU stations and a few NA stations and announced that he
 thought it was not nearly as difficult as he had first thought. He never
 once objected to the lively receiver and enjoyed the Hi/Lo Cut settings and
 he didn't even whine about the small speaker some have commented on. He had
 me reset the RX EQ for his ears and I thought it sounded better than the
 external speaker he uses with his Collins gear. All of this is of course
 purely subjective on my part.
 
 My opinion is certainly biased otherwise I would not be posting this,
 however, I just wanted to say I have fun every time I turn the K3 on and
 hear the bands occupied. My idea of fun is to wave the aluminum in the air
 around a bit till I find another operator wanting to have a chat. A one on
 one for an hour, a pileup into EU, 24 hours in a contest...it doesn't
 matter for me, I reckon I am having fun every time I hit the Power
 button(s) on the K-Line and that is what it's all about...for me.
 
 I have wasted a lot of money over the years looking for a 'keeper' and
 Elecraft and the K-Line have done what no other previous choice I made has
 done and now I can really have Fun on a daily basis operating what I now
 see as a simple to use transceiver. Yes I agree with those who suggested
 the learning curve can be steep for some. There are those I am sure who
 tried a K3 and just didn't 'get it' and moved on to yet another
 transceiver. Sadly, we do make mistakes or let ourselves down by not being
 more determined to try all the features of a new transceiver over time.
 Many jump to an early belief and never get passed that point and so for
 them the search goes on.
 
 Like many I suspect, I have been fortunate to have had my K3 long enough
 that it has proved it's worth every day with many contacts and for that I
 am thankful to Wayne, Eric and all the fine engineers both at Elecraft and
 those who contribute to them. Thanks to all.
 
 73
 Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Rig questions

2013-01-16 Thread K5WA
Phil,

I've got the same issues facing me as you do in point number 1.  If I read
the documentation correctly, in addition to the K3 control link (RS232), the
RemoteRig has 4 channels of discreet I/O for ON/OFF applications such as
opening/closing an antenna switch or turning on a relay to power a power
supply.  Secondly, in addition to the RS232 channel controlling the rig,
there is a secondary RS232 channel that can be used for rotor control, amp
control or whatever.  I built a PLC based antenna control system to handle
my 20 antennas and 4 rotators for which I plan to use via this RS232 link
since my system can control all of these antennas via a single RS232
connection.

I have not gotten beyond initial planning yet with my K3/0 and RemoteRig but
I believe I will be going down this path with the above as a basis.  I wish
someone made a bullet-proof antenna disconnect box triggered via 12VDC
which would save me from building one.  I've had a couple of lightning
events in the past 3 years and they are VERY expensive to recover from.

I can't offer an opinion on your second point since I'm a PC kinda guy.  ;-)

Good luck with the project!

Bob K5WA   


Message: 1
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:23:21 -0500
From: Philip Graitcer pgra...@me.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig  questions
Message-ID: 3864f07b-5752-4253-adfc-e327e331a...@me.com
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As of today, I am the lucky owner of two K3s and of a wonderful salt water
QTH. I would like to remote the seaside K3 to my city QTH using the Remote
Rig options available on the Elecraft website but have these two questions:

1. What do folks general use for disconnecting the remote antenna and remote
power supplies?

2. I am a Mac user, and although I have delved deeply into the manuals, it
appears that the over internet setup is PC based. Has anyone done this with
a Mac, or will be obliged to borrow a PC or install Parallels. And does
Parallels have the right drivers to make this work.

Thanks!

Phil, W3HZZ

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[Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Chuck Guenther

Jim Brown, K9YC, wrote:

Another feature is that ANY two menu functions can be assigned to two
soft buttons.

So far in this discussion, I haven't seen any mention of MACRO's, which allow 
entire sequences of commands to be assigned
to PF1, PF2, or any of the M1-M4 tap or hold buttons.  I find the MACRO's to be extremely 
useful for setting up Split
frequencies and for using the CW APF.  Like Jim, I seldom find a need to enter 
the K3 menu system.

73,
Chuck Guenther NI0C


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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Lu Romero
Phil:

To paraphrase an old guy from Hope, AR, it depends on what
your definition of Fun is.

I think its fun to cozy up 500 cycles below a S9+30 CW
signal and still be able to hear and work S3 signals on my
frequency in a contest.

I think its fun to download new features that the radio
didnt have before from the internet and install them into my
almost 4 year old rig, giving me more bang for the buck.

I think its fun having a world class, super high
performance, identical dual receiver radio with multiple I/O
and flawless computer interface that weighs less than 10
pounds.

I think its fun that for $5,000.00, I have a 500w station
with identical dual receivers, unparalelled receive
performance, complete station integration and a state of the
art panadapter that all together, weighs under 40lbs and
hears and interoperates better than my friends' $14,000 60lb
rig and $7,000 56lb 1kw amplifier.

I think its fun to have all this performance in a system
that I assembled from boxes of parts, so I know what is in
it, I am not afraid to open it and fix it or modify it, and
can take personal pride in assembling it. 

And finally, I think that its fun that I can have all of
this and support an American company that designs and
manufactures world class products right here in America,
that listens to user input and actually *USES* that input in
the ongoing development of the products.

So is the K3 fun to use?  Yeah, I think it is.

Lu Romero - W4LT
K-Line and a K1 as well.

-=-


Message: 10
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:03:22 -0800
From: Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net List
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?
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On a couple of earlier messages (one from Rob Sherwood) the
notion of a fun
radio to operate was raised and how that might become a
deciding factor among many
different radios with similar receive performance.

My question is what is a fun radio?  I have heard that some
think the K3, being
somewhat menu driven, is not a fun radio where as something
like a Yaesu with a
button and knob for every function is fun.  I must be a
contrarian because I think
the less buttons without compromising performance or
functionality is better.

For example, I also have an Icom Pro 3 that has buttons for
some menu options on my
K3.  I use those Icom buttons so rarely that sometimes I
need to look up in the user
guide again to remind myself what they do and how to use
them.  Anything rarely used
in my opinion is fodder for menu operation.

So, if I wanted to buy a fun radio, which one would it be? 
I would like to know more
of what people consider fun in this regard because it is a
mystery to me.

73, phil, K7PEH


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[Elecraft] K3 WSPR settings that work for me

2013-01-16 Thread Dennis Moore
There are various discussions both on and off this list about how to set 
up the K3 with the Signalink USB when using WSPR, but I ran into a 
problem with the K3 staying in XMIT after sending was complete. 
Solutions were available online, just none that solved my issue. These 
settings got my K3 working on WSPR. The setup listed for the K3 and 
Signalink are also working with RMS Express and DM-780.


The Signalink USB Interface cable I am using is the SLCABK3. This is the 
cable that provides Line In, Line Out, and PTT. I did not want to use 
VOX, and the rear panel PTT jack was already used by a footswitch so I 
did not use the PTT plug on the Signalink interface cable.


K3 setup:
RS232 cable between K3 and PC (using USB-Serial adapter)
Mode: TX Data
Data Mode: Data A
Config - PTT-Key - dtr-OFF

Signalink USB setup:
All controls to midrange
Interface cable plugged into Line In and Line Out jacks on rear of K3
PTT plug not used
Signalink USB jumpers set according to this page, follow directions for 
K3 using rear panel jacks: 
http://www.tigertronics.com/sl_wirebm.htm#Elecraft


WSPR settings:
Menu Setup - Station Parameters
PTT method: DTR
PTT port: COM3 (set up according to your own PC port)
Enable CAT - Selected
CAT port: COM3 (set up according to your own PC port)
Rig number: 229 Elecraft K3
Serial rate: 38400
Data Bits: 8
Stop bits: 2
Handshake: None

Again, these are settings that are working for me that someone else may 
want to try if they are having issues. I'm not looking for feedback on 
how I could have done it better, but feel free to reply with your settings.


73, Dennis NJ6G
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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Nick-WA5BDU
I guess you should ask yourself what controls need to be accessible 
right in front of you without menus.


I mainly operate CW.  Here's what I can access immediately without 
hitting menu:  keyer speed, sidetone pitch  level, power output, IF 
shift / bandwidth / filter selection, preamp / attenuator, NR, NB, 
RIT/XIT, VFO B, AGC, SPOT, RF  AF gain, ATU tune, keyer memories.


There's more, but you get the idea.  I also have four macro key 
functions programmed to make some quick configuration changes with a 
single press.


My previous rig was an FT-1000.  It had lots of knobs and essentially no 
menus.  I didn't think I lost anything as far as quick access to needed 
functions when I upgraded to the K3.


73-

Nick, WA5BDU
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Re: [Elecraft] YALB

2013-01-16 Thread David Moes
Hmm  new projects needing a home. winkeyer lite   a Raspberry pi for 
running digital modes, and another tied in doing the logging and perhaps 
some program to enable added function keys.add a pair of high 
quality super small speakers and an amp for audio.oh what else. You 
could easily fit all this into a blank KAT500 type enclosure.   I  would 
love to have such a project box to  match my K3.




 for digital another for logging  On 1/16/2013 12:10 AM, Jim Miller wrote:

I keep building and cluttering my station with YALBs (yet another little
box). I suspect I'm not alone.

I'm looking at the KAT500 and the amount of panel space it provides and
think it would be a good choice for consolidation of my YALBs.

It would also fit nicely over the top of the K3 as the KAT500 fits over the
KPA500. I don't have a lot of space so the Feng Shui would be nice.

I'm thinking that a black plastic front plate could be
cut/engraved/modified and attached to the front since there isn't likely a
blank panel available.

Anyone similarly inclined?

jim ab3cv
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[Elecraft] WTB: Elecraft P3

2013-01-16 Thread Scott Manthe
Looking for a nice P3 to go with my K3. If anyone has one they'd like to 
sell, let me know.


Thanks and 73,
Scott, N9AA
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Re: [Elecraft] K2/10 upgrade question

2013-01-16 Thread Tom McCulloch

To the group..

Do you need to use the KI02 to communicate with the amp if it is in the 
separate EC2 enclosure?  If so, do use lose use of the KI02 for 
communicating with your PC?


(I bought a used amp in the EC2 a few years back and it's still in 
mothballs because I don't have a working KI02)


Thanks
Tom wb2qdg

k2 #1103


On 1/15/2013 10:34 PM, EdKo wrote:

Hello Sidney,

I've had my K2 in both configurations.   I started out with the amp 
built into my K2 and after a few years separated them and placed the 
amp and the antenna tuner into it's own enclosure. With the units 
separated I only need to disconnect a few things, grab and go to the 
field if I want to, leaving the amp/tuner on the desk.   I only wish I 
had made this change sooner.   If going to the field is not of 
interest to you then just keep it in the K2.


72,
Ed - ad7gr

www.edlinko.net
jn3.16 | rev14.6-12

On 1/15/2013 7:16 PM, sidney sudberg wrote:

[snip]
Is there any reason or advantage to upgrade with the amplifier  
radio in
one unit or in the EC2 with the KAT100-2?  I suppose it is a matter 
of how
it will be used but I guess I am looking for the experience of how 
others

use either or both configurations  why.

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Re: [Elecraft] K2/10 upgrade question

2013-01-16 Thread Don Wilhelm

Tom,

The answer is 'yes' or 'maybe'
You need a mechanism to carry the internal K2 signals needed by the 
KPA100, and the KIO2 provides those.  The KIO2 also provides 3 RS-232 
signals that can communicate with a computer.


There are substitutes for the KIO2 that will provide the internal K2 
signals to the KPA100, but do not provide the RS-232 capability.


The computer communication is not lost if you use the KIO2 - the cable 
required is the same as the one diagrammed in the KAT100 manual.  You 
will not have computer communications capability from the AUX I/O 
connecrtor on the external KPA100 - that is only available when the 
KPA100 is mounted on the base K2.  If you need computer connection to 
the K2 when mounting the KPA100 externally, then the KIO2 is required.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2013 8:08 PM, Tom McCulloch wrote:

To the group..

Do you need to use the KI02 to communicate with the amp if it is in 
the separate EC2 enclosure?  If so, do use lose use of the KI02 for 
communicating with your PC?


(I bought a used amp in the EC2 a few years back and it's still in 
mothballs because I don't have a working KI02)


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[Elecraft] Has anyone tried the Ten-Tec 418 amp with the K2/K3/KX3?

2013-01-16 Thread Jim Lowman
Just curious if anyone has interfaced the Ten-Tec 418 amp with any of 
the K-series QRP transceivers?
Since I have all of them, I thought a non-dedicated amp might be 
versatile for those times that more power is required.


If so, what are you using for an ATU that will handle 100w?

Apologies if this question has already been answered, but these QTH.net 
archives are not the easiest to search.


72/73 de Jim - AD6CW
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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Dr. William J. Schmidt, II
Seriously?  Asking the Elecraft reflector if the K3 is a fun radio to
operate is like asking drug addicted people if they like drugs.

 

 

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Big Signal Ranch

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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Jim Lowman
I think the K3 (and K2) are fun radios to operate.  We've had a K3 at 
our QRP Field Day for the past two years, and the various operators 
didn't report any problems that I'm aware of.


Since I made a career in software development, menus are no big deal for 
me.  A well-designed transceiver has the least-needed options built into 
the menus.


When I look at something like a FTDX-5/9000 or the photos of the 
upcoming TS-990, what comes to mind with all of the controls is that 
these are kitchen sink radios.  In other words, they appear to be 
designed by engineers who took everyone's wish list and implemented each 
function via front-panel controls.  My question is, how often would the 
average amateur use many of these functions, if at all?


I think someone counted 140 controls on the TS-990!

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 1/16/2013 10:03 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:

On a couple of earlier messages (one from Rob Sherwood) the notion of a fun 
radio to operate was raised and how that might become a deciding factor among many 
different radios with similar receive performance.

My question is what is a fun radio?  I have heard that some think the K3, being 
somewhat menu driven, is not a fun radio where as something like a Yaesu with a 
button and knob for every function is fun.  I must be a contrarian because I 
think the less buttons without compromising performance or functionality is 
better.

73, phil, K7PEH




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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Jim Lowman
I might add, Fred Cady's book on the K3 covers pretty much everything, 
although there is nothing wrong with the supplied user manual.


I believe that it is sometimes available at a discount from lulu.com

73 de Jim - AD6CW
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Rig questions

2013-01-16 Thread JBaumgarte
Bob, Phil and others,
 
Wow, guess I should have done more studying.  I am running the RRC  boxes 
with my 2 K3's, but I have a PC based system and a couple of Green Heron  Go 
Everywhere boxes to run everything else--two 4 Squares, Beverage switch, 2  
rotor controllers, and a 6 pack.  Obviously, with this I have to keep my  
power supply and a computer running.  The idling PS doesn't seem to draw  
much, but . . . . .   It does work great, however, and its great to  have 
access 
to my contest station from back home!  Setting up the RRC boxes  was no 
slam dunk (for me), but received great support from the factory.
 
John, N0IJ
 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2013 17:08:08 Central Standard Time,  
k...@comcast.net writes:

Phil,

I've got the same issues facing me as you do in point  number 1.  If I read
the documentation correctly, in addition to the  K3 control link (RS232), 
the
RemoteRig has 4 channels of discreet I/O for  ON/OFF applications such as
opening/closing an antenna switch or turning on  a relay to power a power
supply.  Secondly, in addition to the RS232  channel controlling the rig,
there is a secondary RS232 channel that can be  used for rotor control, amp
control or whatever.  I built a PLC based  antenna control system to handle
my 20 antennas and 4 rotators for which I  plan to use via this RS232 link
since my system can control all of these  antennas via a single RS232
connection.

I have not gotten beyond  initial planning yet with my K3/0 and RemoteRig 
but
I believe I will be  going down this path with the above as a basis.  I wish
someone made a  bullet-proof antenna disconnect box triggered via 12VDC
which would save  me from building one.  I've had a couple of lightning
events in the  past 3 years and they are VERY expensive to recover from.

I can't offer  an opinion on your second point since I'm a PC kinda guy.   
;-)

Good luck with the project!

Bob K5WA


Message: 1
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:23:21 -0500
From:  Philip Graitcer pgra...@me.com
To:  elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig   questions
Message-ID:  3864f07b-5752-4253-adfc-e327e331a...@me.com
Content-Type:  text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

As of today, I am the lucky owner of two  K3s and of a wonderful salt water
QTH. I would like to remote the seaside  K3 to my city QTH using the Remote
Rig options available on the Elecraft  website but have these two questions:

1. What do folks general use for  disconnecting the remote antenna and 
remote
power supplies?

2. I am  a Mac user, and although I have delved deeply into the manuals, it
appears  that the over internet setup is PC based. Has anyone done this with
a Mac,  or will be obliged to borrow a PC or install Parallels. And does
Parallels  have the right drivers to make this work.

Thanks!

Phil,  W3HZZ

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Re: [Elecraft] Has anyone tried the Ten-Tec 418 amp with the K2/K3/KX3?

2013-01-16 Thread Ariel Jacala
I have been following reflector posts for a while now and I don't recall having 
seen any posts regarding interfacing with the TenTec 418. Since the Tentec 418 
is sold out - I suspect some of those sales were to KX3 users.  While waiting 
for the KXPA100 I have been using the Hardrock50 which puts out over 50 watts 
with 3 watts drive. Mostly though, I use the barefoot KX3.

Ariel NY4G

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On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Jim Lowman jmlow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Just curious if anyone has interfaced the Ten-Tec 418 amp with any of the 
 K-series QRP transceivers?
 Since I have all of them, I thought a non-dedicated amp might be versatile 
 for those times that more power is required.
 
 If so, what are you using for an ATU that will handle 100w?
 
 Apologies if this question has already been answered, but these QTH.net 
 archives are not the easiest to search.
 
 72/73 AD6CW
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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 a fun radio to operate ?

2013-01-16 Thread Phil Hystad
Nick,

I am also mostly CW and I rarely use the menus for CW ops.  My question though 
was not because I was suffering from any lack in using the radio.  I was mostly 
curious as to what other's opinions are on the idea of a fun radio.

I just realized that I have very limited experience with radios that do not 
have menus.  My Novice day's rig in the 1960s was a Hammarlund HQ-170AC and an 
Eico 720.  Neither had menus -- anything you did to those rigs you did by 
turning a knob or throwing or operating a switch.  But, I left ham radio in 
1967 and did not come back until 2004.  So, after the HQ-170AC and the 720, my 
next rig was an Icom 756 and it had menus.  After that was an Icom 756 Pro III 
and it had menus.  After that was the K3 and it has menus.

So, I am very poor in experience with radios without menus.

73, phil, K7PEH (Novice call:  WN7ECQ)


On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Nick-WA5BDU nick-wa5...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 I guess you should ask yourself what controls need to be accessible right in 
 front of you without menus.
 
 I mainly operate CW.  Here's what I can access immediately without hitting 
 menu:  keyer speed, sidetone pitch  level, power output, IF shift / 
 bandwidth / filter selection, preamp / attenuator, NR, NB, RIT/XIT, VFO B, 
 AGC, SPOT, RF  AF gain, ATU tune, keyer memories.
 
 There's more, but you get the idea.  I also have four macro key functions 
 programmed to make some quick configuration changes with a single press.
 
 My previous rig was an FT-1000.  It had lots of knobs and essentially no 
 menus.  I didn't think I lost anything as far as quick access to needed 
 functions when I upgraded to the K3.
 
 73-
 
 Nick, WA5BDU
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