Re: [Elecraft] Ham Radio Deluxe and KX3 Radio

2014-01-06 Thread PKA
Be aware that You operate CW on the K3 and KX3 using an app called K3iNetwork 
made by Mike KS7D. I have used it extensively over the last 18 months. Right 
now actually using it from EA8 :-) Mike is working on another app which uses 
the touch screen as a touch paddle. It still not working too well but I think 
it will be improved soon.
73 de OZ4UN
Poul-Erik

Sendt fra min iPad

> Den 06/01/2014 kl. 07.30 skrev "Rick Bates" :
> 
> DM780 does indeed allow CW (KY Cmd), which should work on the KX3 as well as
> it does on the K3.  It does this through the serial port, which also manages
> the PTT, no further hardware needed unless you want it to decode for you as
> well.  ;0)
> 
> Rick wa6nhc
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Don Wilhelm
> 
> The KX3 can be keyed using the "KY" command, but I do not think 
> HRD/DM780 implements that command - few applications do.
> The easiest solution is to use the K1EL Winkeyer.
> HRD/DM780 can also send CW using a serial port, but that is a different 
> port than is used for rig control, and you need something like the 'one 
> transistor keying interface' to make the RS-232 signal levels into 
> on-off switching needed to key the rig.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
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[Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 or K3X

2014-01-06 Thread Robert Nobis
I am planning a trip to Kagoshima, Japan in a few months and am applying
for a reciprocal license to operate in Japan. Does anyone know if the K3
and/or K3X have JARD (The Japan Amateur Radio Development Association)
Technical Standard Certification Number? This is required for operation of
the rig in Japan when operating under a reciprocal license.

73,


Bob -  N7RJN



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 External Transverter and ATU TUNE disable optionsuggestion

2014-01-06 Thread David Anderson
Don,

That makes sense too, thanks.

I still would like to have an option of a tap off the low power drive before 
the PA with the PA disabled when using an external transverter, so that I could 
have the benefit of controllable low power with low wideband transmitted noise 
and no heat problems at high duty cycle.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ




> On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:17, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> I don't know about the power control characteristics of the KX3 yet, but with 
> the K2 without the K60XV option), more steady power control is achieved in 
> the 2 to 10 watt range as compared to lower power levels.  It all has to do 
> with resolution - the power is set in 0.1 watt increments, and an uncertainty 
> of 1 count can double or halve the power level at very low values, but that 
> same uncertainty is much less at 2 watts and even less at 4 watts.
> 
> For JT65 and other long transmission full duty cycle periods, the heat 
> dissipation must be considered if you want to prolong the life of the finals 
> - so use 2 or 3 watts.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/5/2014 2:42 PM, David Anderson wrote:
>> David,
>> 
>> I have a further thought about the difficulties of using the KX3 with an 
>> external transverter, if we reduce the maximum power output for the XVTR by 
>> using the XV PWR H setting to say a very low value (say the lowest which is 
>> 0.1 Watt), then is there a danger that the relative transmitted wideband 
>> amplifier noise will be higher than if we kept the power at say 4 Watts and 
>> then used a big attenuator on the input of the TX port on the transverter?
>> 
>> All my previous experience with transverters have been with radios that had 
>> dedicated low power transverter RF out ports. Even then there were problems 
>> with thermal power drift, excessive drive levels due to lack of the normal 
>> ALC that radio normally depended on when using it on HF etc.
>> 
>> I presume that there is no way to easily bypass the PA and driver stages 
>> within the KX3 to get lower drive power without reducing the TX gain. I have 
>> been looking at the KX3 schematics trying to work out where the as yet 
>> unreleased KX3 internal 2m transverter gets it drive from and at what level 
>> that is.
>> 
>> Perhaps Elecraft may give us some clues or guidance.
>> 
>> What would be neat, but it don't suppose we can expect Elecraft to do it, 
>> would be a board that would replace the planned internal 2m transverter, and 
>> would just act as a lower power transverter output from before the PA 
>> stages, on an SMA connector where the 2m antenna socket will be, with the 
>> main antenna BNC as a receive only port, (though that could be dangerous), 
>> perhaps a  low power TX/RX on the SMA would be best.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> David Anderson GM4JJJ
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware rev. 1.84 (broadcast-band optimizations)

2014-01-06 Thread riese-k3djc
sure be nice to operate 600 meters if/when

Bob K3DJC
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 17:59:21 -0800 Wayne Burdick 
writes:
> We had a great response to our request for volunteers to test this -- 
> too many to send out individually. Chances are this will be ready 
> for beta-test early next week. You'll be able to get it from our 
> website then.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK RTTY

2014-01-06 Thread Lee Buller


Joe...

This is great.  Thanks for the information.  One frustration down in my 
life.a couple of million to go.

Lee - K0WA


 
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 From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" 
To: Elecraft Reflector ; k6...@foothill.net 
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK RTTY
 


In N1MM -> Config -> Configure Ports, Mode Control, Audi, Other ->
Mode Control ... make sure you have set the RTTY mode to *AFSK*
and not *RTTY* if you are using AFSK.

For more information read the very fine N1MM Logger on-line
documentation.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/5/2014 9:26 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:
> Here is one thing that will cause a similar problem: If you program a
> memory while DATA MD is X, then every time you recall that memory you will
> be put back into X, regardless of the DATA MD setting prior to the memory
> recall. You might have set the memory years ago when using FSK D and now
> are using AFSK A. Use the memory, go directly to FSK D. This bit me several
> times this weekend. However, I don't see an obvious connection between
> memory recall and N1MM band map clicking.
>
> /Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
>
>> What would a contest be if everything always worked like it did the last
>> time in the contest.
>>
>> I use a minimalist RTTY setup:
>>
>> 2 stereo cables from LINE IN/OUT to LINE OUT/IN
>> AFSK-A with PTT from VOX
>> N1MM with one instance of MMTTY
>>
>> Basically, it worked fine, made over 700 Q's.  At the urging of the club,
>> I decided on the new SO Unlimited [i.e. assisted], and that worked OK too
>> except:
>>
>> Every time I clicked on a band map spot, the radio went to FSK-D, and of
>> course wouldn't key.  I had the couple of usual N1MM lockouts and
>> re-starting N1MM also caused this change to FSK-D.
>>
>> I'm running 4.58 FW, haven't loaded new in a long time, and N1MM is
>> running 13.10.2, also haven't updated that in quite awhile, both have been
>> working very well.
>>
>> I don't think this is a K3 problem, but wanted to check if anyone else
>> using the minimalist configuration has seen this.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>> Go SF!
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 or K3X

2014-01-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bob,

Contact supp...@elecraft.com to find out how to obtain the program to 
make those changes (and also how to remove it after you return).


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/6/2014 8:32 AM, Robert Nobis wrote:

I am planning a trip to Kagoshima, Japan in a few months and am applying
for a reciprocal license to operate in Japan. Does anyone know if the K3
and/or K3X have JARD (The Japan Amateur Radio Development Association)
Technical Standard Certification Number? This is required for operation of
the rig in Japan when operating under a reciprocal license.

73,


Bob -  N7RJN



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[Elecraft] Dual Pass Band

2014-01-06 Thread Lee Buller


Dear Elecrafter RTTY Enthusiasts

Ran RU this weekend and was experimenting with Dual PB.  I found that the 
sensitivity of the receiver would be much less that using the standard 500 Hz 
Filter with the bandwidth set at 350.  What causes that or is something wrong?  
I could even see the difference on the P3.  The K3 rtty abilities are pretty 
darn good...

Lee
K0WA

 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Remote setup and Brainboxes

2014-01-06 Thread John Simmons

 Paul,

You  need to configure your router/firewall to forward the port used by 
the ES-257 from the router to the device. You will need to assign a 
static IP to the device. Serial  port 1 uses port 9001, serial port 2 
uses port 9002. Look at your router documentation and search the web for 
port forwarding info.


73,
John NI0K

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Sent: 1/5/2014 9:47:46 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Remote setup and Brainboxes



As part of my remote setup, I purchased a Brainboxes ES-257 2 Port 
RS232
ethernet to serial adapter to control a couple of serial port 
accessories. I

can control the ES-257 and the attached equipment using their Boost.LAN
Manager software over my LAN but cannot get the device configured to 
accept
control using my external IP. Any suggestions or direction would be 
much

appreciated.


73,


Paul K9NU




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Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

2014-01-06 Thread Seiji Okumura

K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number.
See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm

Oku / JK1KSB

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Nobis" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:32 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 
orK3X




I am planning a trip to Kagoshima, Japan in a few months and am applying
for a reciprocal license to operate in Japan. Does anyone know if the K3
and/or K3X have JARD (The Japan Amateur Radio Development Association)
Technical Standard Certification Number? This is required for operation of
the rig in Japan when operating under a reciprocal license.

73,


Bob -  N7RJN



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[Elecraft] K1 For Sale

2014-01-06 Thread Robert Brock
I have a like new K1 4-band for sale covering 40/30/20 and 15 meters, S/N
3141.  Included is the KAT1 Antenna Tuner, KNB1 Noise Blanker and a custom
red oak tilt stand.  Original owner/builder of this radio in a non-smoking
home this radio is in pristine condition.  I built this radio very carefully
and it was aligned and calibrated by Don, W3FPR.  It works perfectly and
comes with the original manual, all documentation and DC power cord
terminated in Anderson PowerPole connectors.  Am selling as I have two K3's
now.  $375 shipped and insured CONUS.  If interested please contact me off
list.

Bob - K9OSC
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Re: [Elecraft] Dual Pass Band

2014-01-06 Thread Lee Buller


Is this designed this way?  That does seem to be something that needs to be 
fixed.  Or, am I not seeing the whole picture here?

Lee - K0WA





 From: Mark 
To: Lee Buller  
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dual Pass Band
 

I found the DPF degraded all but the strongest most stable signals, unless I 
really opened
up the bandwidth.  You could see a good signal but the decode was bad.  I 
stopped using
DPF after that.  There is more support for not using these filters as it 
degrades the system,
unless you are using the k3s internal rtty decoder.

Look at
http://www.nccc.cc/pdf/RTTY-Receive-W0YK.pdf
For good tips.  

Mark. N2QT

> On Jan 6, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Lee Buller  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Elecrafter RTTY Enthusiasts
> 
> Ran RU this weekend and was experimenting with Dual PB.  I found that the 
> sensitivity of the receiver would be much less that using the standard 500 Hz 
> Filter with the bandwidth set at 350.  What causes that or is something 
> wrong?  I could even see the difference on the P3.  The K3 rtty abilities are 
> pretty darn good...
> 
> Lee
> K0WA
> 
>  
> In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you 
> don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't 
> find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  
> Is Common Sense divine?
> 
> Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my 
> mind. -  John W. (Kansas)
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Current use K3/10 vs. K3/100

2014-01-06 Thread Wayne Burdick
Bill,

During K3/100 testing, did you try the current-drain measurements with 
CONFIG:KPA3 set to PA BYP? This may be lower than what you get with KPA3 set to 
PA NOR and the POWER control set to QRP levels.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:58 PM, Bill Frantz  wrote:

> Remembering the thread about how much current a K3/100 used when powered off, 
> I decided to run a test as I installed the KPA3 in K3 #6299. The table below 
> lists power use before (K3/10) and after (K3/100) 100w amp was installed. A 
> monospaced font will help legibility.
> 
> Test conditions: Direct connection to a 12v battery. RF and AF gain at zero. 
> CW mode. No RS-232 connection. P3 power unplugged. IF out disconnected. MFJ 
> dummy load. Tuned to 14.0475. Fluke 87 meter for current. Internal K3 meter 
> for voltage. Straight key held down until current reading stabilized (c10 
> seconds.)
> 
> K3/10K3/100   Measurement
> 0.1microA N/A V  4.1mA N/A V  Power off idle current
> 873mA 12.1V  969mA 12.1V  Receive
> 2.57A 10.8V  2.87A 11.0V  Transmit 5W
> 3.19A 10.4V  3.53A 10.6V  Transmit 10W
> 
> The K3/100 uses 11% more power on receive, 12% more power on QRP transmit, 
> and 11% more power on ten watt transmit. It may be worth removing the 100w 
> amp for QRP battery field day like operations.
> 
> Note that the PA temperature calibration changed the value by 3 degrees C. 
> (This time I put a brewing thermometer next to the radio to act as the 
> "standard" temperature. The last time I think I used the wall thermometer.) 
> The MacIntosh K3 Utility did the Wattmeter calibration. As far as I know, 
> these were the only changes to the radio's settings.
> 
> Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
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Re: [Elecraft] Dual Pass Band

2014-01-06 Thread Mike K8CN
Lee,

Ed, W0YK, has a commentary on this very subject in the current issue of NCJ
(subscription required).  Perhaps he will weigh in directly here, but his
recommendation was to use the normal filter rather than dual passband. This
is not an issue unique to the K3.

73,
Mike, K8CN



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Re: [Elecraft] Dual Pass Band

2014-01-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


That information is based on input from K7AY (cocoaModem) and G3YYD
(2-Tone).  The software decoders do a better job when supplied with
audio at least 400 Hz wide without frequency shaping from the IF (DSP)
filter.  The Dual Band Pass filters in general introduce significant
phase delays and amplitude inequality which results in poorer decoding
accuracy in modern FFT based demodulators - although the frequency
shaping may be of value in older amplitude (filter/detector) style
demodulators.


73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/6/2014 1:26 PM, Mike K8CN wrote:

Lee,

Ed, W0YK, has a commentary on this very subject in the current issue of NCJ
(subscription required).  Perhaps he will weigh in directly here, but his
recommendation was to use the normal filter rather than dual passband. This
is not an issue unique to the K3.

73,
Mike, K8CN



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Re: [Elecraft] Dual Pass Band

2014-01-06 Thread Carl Clawson
If a digimode decoder is good enough then it can only be hurt, not helped,
by additional pre-filtering. This is because in the presence of noise there
is a statistical limit ("optimal detection") to how faithfully you can
extract the desired signal. Which is why I've said before: If the dual
filter were such a great idea, it would already be written into the
software for your RTTY decoder, at least as part of one of the decode
methods you can select. It's possible that some less capable decoders will
be helped by it, but if it doesn't help you then don't use it. I use MMTTY
and have not noticed it to help. Never hurts to try, though. There are so
many varied impairments to over-the-air signals that no simple collection
of decoders will have one that's optimal in every case.

73, Carl WS7L


On Monday, January 6, 2014, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
> That information is based on input from K7AY (cocoaModem) and G3YYD
> (2-Tone).  The software decoders do a better job when supplied with
> audio at least 400 Hz wide without frequency shaping from the IF (DSP)
> filter.  The Dual Band Pass filters in general introduce significant
> phase delays and amplitude inequality which results in poorer decoding
> accuracy in modern FFT based demodulators - although the frequency
> shaping may be of value in older amplitude (filter/detector) style
> demodulators.
>
>
> 73,
>
>... Joe, W4TV
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Re: [Elecraft] Dual Pass Band

2014-01-06 Thread Mark
Ed has a presentation on decoders he did for NCCC available at

http://www.nccc.cc/pdf/RTTY-Receive-W0YK.pdf

Also the rtty reflector 
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty

Has had multiple discussions on this and related topics.

Mark. N2QT

> On Jan 6, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Mike K8CN  wrote:
> 
> Lee,
> 
> Ed, W0YK, has a commentary on this very subject in the current issue of NCJ
> (subscription required).  Perhaps he will weigh in directly here, but his
> recommendation was to use the normal filter rather than dual passband. This
> is not an issue unique to the K3.
> 
> 73,
> Mike, K8CN
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[Elecraft] KX3- WTB PIGLET

2014-01-06 Thread Bill Conkling
I am looking for a Pignology PIGLET.  They seem to be out of stock
currently.  If you have one avail email me 'off list' to n...@arrl.net or
n...@widomaker.com

Also looking for tips or assistance in setting this up with Samsung TAB2 and
KX3.  Have HAMLOG already.

Thanks for your consideration.

nr4c  bill

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[Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Eddy




I'm amazed at how well my K2 internal speaker works and sounds! Every time I 
plug in an external speaker, I've quickly gone back to the internal 
speaker

So, has anyone found an external speaker for the k2 that sounds "better" than 
the internal unit? Also, I'm really not willing to spend a bunch of $$ on one...

Thanks and 73

ed
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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Fred Smith
YES!

The West Mountain Radio COMspkr $39, I have several sets of them on my
K2/K3.


73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2
Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G
300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m



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Subject: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.





I'm amazed at how well my K2 internal speaker works and sounds! Every time I
plug in an external speaker, I've quickly gone back to the internal
speaker

So, has anyone found an external speaker for the k2 that sounds "better"
than the internal unit? Also, I'm really not willing to spend a bunch of $$
on one...

Thanks and 73

ed
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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Rose
I too endorse the West Mountain speakers!  I have them in  use on my K2,
K3, KX3 and two commmputers.

73 !
Ken - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ed,

One possible reason for your lack of satisfaction in external speakers 
may be that they are all 8 ohm speakers.
The K2 audio amplifier does not have a lot of excess gain (that was by 
design to limit the receive current). If you are to get a decent amount 
of power out of it, the speaker load must be 4 ohms or less. A higher 
impedance (or less efficient) speaker will sound quite weak compared to 
the internal speaker.


An amplified speaker can be used to fix that.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Eddy wrote:




I'm amazed at how well my K2 internal speaker works and sounds! Every time I 
plug in an external speaker, I've quickly gone back to the internal 
speaker

So, has anyone found an external speaker for the k2 that sounds "better" than 
the internal unit? Also, I'm really not willing to spend a bunch of $$ on one...

Thanks and 73

ed
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[Elecraft] K1 Sold

2014-01-06 Thread Robert Brock
My K1 has been sold.  Thanks to all who responded.

Bob - K9OSC



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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Vic Rosenthal K2VCO

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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread EricJ
I thought something was wrong with my ears (OK, there is, but not this). 
I've tried several external speakers as well. The latest was the West 
Mountain ones which I made the mistake of opening and lost all 
confidence in what I saw.


The K2 speaker has been better for CW than anything else I have tried. 
No explanation.


Eric
KE6US

On 1/6/2014 1:01 PM, Eddy wrote:




I'm amazed at how well my K2 internal speaker works and sounds! Every time I 
plug in an external speaker, I've quickly gone back to the internal 
speaker

So, has anyone found an external speaker for the k2 that sounds "better" than 
the internal unit? Also, I'm really not willing to spend a bunch of $$ on one...

Thanks and 73

ed
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Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

2014-01-06 Thread Seiji Okumura

K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number.
See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm

Oku / JK1KSB

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To: 
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:32 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 
orK3X




I am planning a trip to Kagoshima, Japan in a few months and am applying
for a reciprocal license to operate in Japan. Does anyone know if the K3
and/or K3X have JARD (The Japan Amateur Radio Development Association)
Technical Standard Certification Number? This is required for operation of
the rig in Japan when operating under a reciprocal license.

73,


Bob -  N7RJN



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Re: [Elecraft] Dual Pass Band

2014-01-06 Thread Jim Brown

On 1/6/2014 10:34 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

That information is based on input from K7AY (cocoaModem) and G3YYD
(2-Tone).  The software decoders do a better job when supplied with
audio at least 400 Hz wide without frequency shaping from the IF (DSP)
filter.  The Dual Band Pass filters in general introduce significant
phase delays and amplitude inequality which results in poorer decoding
accuracy in modern FFT based demodulators - although the frequency
shaping may be of value in older amplitude (filter/detector) style
demodulators. 


Actually, it's based on things a lot more fundamental than that. In the 
world of pro audio, we learned nearly four decades ago that non-flat 
amplitude response is accompanied by phase shift (distortion). The ear 
does not like phase distortion, and neither do decoders. Filters produce 
distortion, not only when their amplitude response is changing (the 
slopes), but also in the passband.


When i first encountered the dual-filter approach separate from the 
decoder itself, it looked to me like a bad idea for this reason. It was 
good to see it confirmed by G3YYD in the doc for his 2Tone RTTY decoder. 
BTW -- Nobel Laureate Joe Taylor, K1JT, author of the WSJT digital 
protocols, said exactly the same thing during a lecture I heard him do 
at Pacificon several years ago.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Fred Smith
I have paid upwards of $350 for a sets of speakers for radios and ending up
selling all the others in favor of the West Mountain ones..If you're
only going to use your single receiver K2 for CW and digital modes
headphones might be the only required. Come to think of it I do still have 1
set of Icom speakers left for low clearance and match an Icom radio I have.
But they only cost about $300 for the set and don't sound as good as the $39
set.


73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2
Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G
300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m




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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.

I thought something was wrong with my ears (OK, there is, but not this). 
I've tried several external speakers as well. The latest was the West
Mountain ones which I made the mistake of opening and lost all confidence in
what I saw.

The K2 speaker has been better for CW than anything else I have tried. 
No explanation.

Eric
KE6US

On 1/6/2014 1:01 PM, Eddy wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm amazed at how well my K2 internal speaker works and sounds! Every time
I plug in an external speaker, I've quickly gone back to the internal
speaker
>
> So, has anyone found an external speaker for the k2 that sounds "better"
than the internal unit? Also, I'm really not willing to spend a bunch of $$
on one...
>
> Thanks and 73
>
> ed
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[Elecraft] Elecraft AF1 audio filter

2014-01-06 Thread dw
Hi Johnny,
You may try seeing what a choke coil in series with the audio to the
speaker or headphone does for you.  I have the Nescaf filter and really
like it for CW.
In most cases, its cleaner than the available internal audio filters.

But I found that adding a 3mH coil and 15uF cap in series (set for
750hz) makes a significant improvement removing harshness.  

I keep my K2's widest filter as wide as it will go, and the coil takes
care of most of the harshness.

A suggestion for you to check out if interested :-]
N1BBR   

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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Scotty Long
The best I've used for monitoring while working in the shack or letting my kids 
listen to an active cw QSO is the speaker from my Drake TR4C.  Otherwise I use 
headphones most of the time...

Scotty/NU0S

K1-4...S/N. 3206

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Eddy  wrote:





I'm amazed at how well my K2 internal speaker works and sounds! Every time I 
plug in an external speaker, I've quickly gone back to the internal 
speaker

So, has anyone found an external speaker for the k2 that sounds "better" than 
the internal unit? Also, I'm really not willing to spend a bunch of $$ on one...

Thanks and 73

ed
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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Bob

Hi Ed,

  Well "better"  is very subjective but I liked the powered Motorola 
speaker. I used the original built in Motorola amp, Type 1 as shown here:


http://www2.opparc.org/mirrors/n0ss/www.n0ss.net/index_general.html

   They are widely available at ham flea markets and Ebay. To me the 
better aspect was level as I felt the K2 was lacking for my ears. Maybe one of 
the none powered ones would even work for you.


73,
Bob
K2TK


On 1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Eddy wrote:

I'm amazed at how well my K2 internal speaker works and sounds! Every time I 
plug in an external speaker, I've quickly gone back to the internal 
speaker

So, has anyone found an external speaker for the k2 that sounds "better" than 
the internal unit? Also, I'm really not willing to spend a bunch of $$ on one...

Thanks and 73

ed
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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Jim Brown

On 1/6/2014 2:02 PM, EricJ wrote:
The K2 speaker has been better for CW than anything else I have tried. 


Elecraft found a VERY good speaker for the K2.  Don's advice about 
looking for a 4 ohm speaker is also good -- virtually all loudspeaker 
amplifiers have a VERY low output Z, typically 0.1 Ohm or less, making 
them a constant voltage source. By simple Ohm's law, they will provide 
maximum power to the lowest impedance  which they are designed. Power is 
E squared divided by R, so you can use them with higher Z speakers, but 
you will lose 3 dB of level for 8 ohms, another 3dB for 16 ohms.


The second part of the equation is loudspeaker efficiency. In general, 
the smaller the loudspeaker, the less efficient it is. In other words, 
louder = bigger. The best 4 ohm loudspeaker I know of is the MR55, made 
by RCF, and Italian company. I've used them in some high profile 
projects. They're not cheap. Smaller speakers in their line are not 
nearly as nice.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Walter Underwood
Then I should plan on using my Magneplanar SMGa's, because they are 2 Ohm 
speakers. Except I don't have a K2. Dang.

wunder
K6WRU

On Jan 6, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:

> On 1/6/2014 2:02 PM, EricJ wrote:
>> The K2 speaker has been better for CW than anything else I have tried. 
> 
> Elecraft found a VERY good speaker for the K2.  Don's advice about looking 
> for a 4 ohm speaker is also good -- virtually all loudspeaker amplifiers have 
> a VERY low output Z, typically 0.1 Ohm or less, making them a constant 
> voltage source. By simple Ohm's law, they will provide maximum power to the 
> lowest impedance  which they are designed. Power is E squared divided by R, 
> so you can use them with higher Z speakers, but you will lose 3 dB of level 
> for 8 ohms, another 3dB for 16 ohms.
> 
> The second part of the equation is loudspeaker efficiency. In general, the 
> smaller the loudspeaker, the less efficient it is. In other words, louder = 
> bigger. The best 4 ohm loudspeaker I know of is the MR55, made by RCF, and 
> Italian company. I've used them in some high profile projects. They're not 
> cheap. Smaller speakers in their line are not nearly as nice.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Mel Farrer
So far with my KX3, I have found the the self powered X-Mini speaker does well 
on CW and SSB.  While not hifi, it is very good.  <$40.

Mel, K6KBE





On Monday, January 6, 2014 2:59 PM, Walter Underwood  
wrote:
 
Then I should plan on using my Magneplanar SMGa's, because they are 2 Ohm 
speakers. Except I don't have a K2. Dang.

wunder
K6WRU


On Jan 6, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:

> On 1/6/2014 2:02 PM, EricJ wrote:
>> The K2 speaker has been better for CW than anything else I have tried. 
> 
> Elecraft found a VERY good speaker for the K2.  Don's advice about looking 
> for a 4 ohm speaker is also good -- virtually all loudspeaker amplifiers have 
> a VERY low output Z, typically 0.1 Ohm or less, making them a constant 
> voltage source. By simple Ohm's law, they will provide maximum power to the 
> lowest impedance  which they are designed. Power is E squared divided by R, 
> so you can use them with higher Z speakers, but you will lose 3 dB of level 
> for 8 ohms, another 3dB for 16 ohms.
> 
> The second part of the equation is loudspeaker efficiency. In general, the 
> smaller the loudspeaker, the less efficient it is. In other words, louder = 
> bigger. The best 4 ohm loudspeaker I know of is the MR55, made by RCF, and 
> Italian company. I've used them in some high profile projects. They're not 
> cheap. Smaller speakers in their line are not nearly as nice.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Remote setup and Brainboxes

2014-01-06 Thread Paul A DeFelice
Thanks for your information, John. This morning I went on the Brainboxes web
site and took advantage of their support page. All is set up and fine now. 

 

73,

Paul K9NU

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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Bill W
The West Mountain Radio COMspkr work great with my K3 station. 
Available from HRO for under $40.00.
Good luck.
Bill - W0BBI



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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread Randy Lake
I am currently using the Bose Companion2 Series 2. They sound really nice.
They are roughly 3in.x 7in. and dual inputs so I can have the radio and my
system sound card going into it without having to switch or have a second
set of speakers. I think I got them on www.woot.com for around $70.
73 HNY
Randy N1KWF


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Bob  wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
>   Well "better"  is very subjective but I liked the powered
> Motorola speaker. I used the original built in Motorola amp, Type 1 as
> shown here:
>
> http://www2.opparc.org/mirrors/n0ss/www.n0ss.net/index_general.html
>
>They are widely available at ham flea markets and Ebay. To me
> the better aspect was level as I felt the K2 was lacking for my ears. Maybe
> one of the none powered ones would even work for you.
>
> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK
>
>
>
> On 1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Eddy wrote:
>
>> I'm amazed at how well my K2 internal speaker works and sounds! Every
>> time I plug in an external speaker, I've quickly gone back to the internal
>> speaker
>>
>> So, has anyone found an external speaker for the k2 that sounds "better"
>> than the internal unit? Also, I'm really not willing to spend a bunch of $$
>> on one...
>>
>> Thanks and 73
>>
>> ed
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Re: [Elecraft] Current use K3/10 vs. K3/100

2014-01-06 Thread Bill Frantz

On 1/6/14 at 9:32 AM, n...@elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) wrote:

During K3/100 testing, did you try the current-drain 
measurements with CONFIG:KPA3 set to PA BYP? This may be lower 
than what you get with KPA3 set to PA NOR and the POWER control 
set to QRP levels.


I retried the measurements changing "PA NOR" to "PA not 
installed" and "PA not installed" after power cycling 
(rebooting) the radio. Most numbers differed only by one in the 
least significant value. [Welcome to digital measurements. :-)] 
The 10 watt measurements were 40mA less than yesterday, 
3.49A@10.3V vs. 3.53A@10.6V but the difference isn't very 
significant and may be explained by the difference in voltage. 
(However, I would expect higher current with less voltage.)


Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

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[Elecraft] QRQ KPA500 amp

2014-01-06 Thread Mike Studer
According to the official Elecraft price list the KPA500-K and KPA500-F 
makes you send CW faster too!  WooHoo!


Full QRQ Break-in; 100-125V, 200-250V

Does it do QSK too?
I got a chuckle out of it.
Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] External speaker recommendation.....

2014-01-06 Thread ac5p

  


    
The K2 speaker has been better for CW than anything else I have tried. 
No explanation.

Eric
KE6US

 
 My experience likewise and this includes my K3.   The CW sidetone is improved 
and boosted 
even more with a right angle deflector on top of the internal speaker.  A 2 
inch PVC elbow (painted black) does this nicely.  

Mike
AC5P   
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Re: [Elecraft] Dual Pass Band

2014-01-06 Thread Bill Coleman

On Jan 6, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> Actually, it's based on things a lot more fundamental than that. In the world 
> of pro audio, we learned nearly four decades ago that non-flat amplitude 
> response is accompanied by phase shift (distortion). The ear does not like 
> phase distortion, and neither do decoders. Filters produce distortion, not 
> only when their amplitude response is changing (the slopes), but also in the 
> passband.
> 
> When i first encountered the dual-filter approach separate from the decoder 
> itself, it looked to me like a bad idea for this reason. It was good to see 
> it confirmed by G3YYD in the doc for his 2Tone RTTY decoder. BTW -- Nobel 
> Laureate Joe Taylor, K1JT, author of the WSJT digital protocols, said exactly 
> the same thing during a lecture I heard him do at Pacificon several years ago.

That said, the dual pass band filter is often useful for squashing QRM that 
also confuses the decoder. Like, when someone starts tuning up between your 
mark and space frequency….

Just don’t run it all the time. Use it for those brief times when you need it.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: aa...@arrl.net
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Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

2014-01-06 Thread Jim Brown

On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote:

K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number.
See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm


And why do they not have such certification?

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3, Writelog] AF Level Reverting to 0 upon Context Switch

2014-01-06 Thread Rick Tavan N6XI
Got no responses but learned some more that may be helpful to others:

My SO2V lost audio channel problem appears to be triggered by commands that
Writelog sends to K3 when changing TX focus. It happens ONLY when Writelog
| Radio | Headphones = Normal. By setting Headphones = Split, the unwanted
behavior goes away and both channels remain active through RX selection
changes. I should have realized this from prior experience with SO2R.

The reason this problem came and went during the contest was probably
because I happened to use a Setup menu item that is *totally unrelated to
Headphones*, most likely changing rotor control settings. That daring deed,
and just about any other visit to Setup for dozens of reasons including
"just looking" and not changing anything at all, always resets Headphones
to Normal. (I've debated that obviously incorrect behavior with Writelog
Support without success.)

The behavior that I vaguely remembered from the "naked" K3 (i.e. unassisted
by Writelog) was in K3 Remote when you toggle SUB on or off. This causes
BOTH channels to drop out until you tweak the volume controls. I don't know
if it's related to whatever Writelog is doing when you toggle focus but I
believe this is the problem I heard was "on the list" at Elecraft.

It's a weird, weird world.

/Rick N6XI


On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI  wrote:

> [Sorry for the cross-post; this is a matter involving both the K3 and
> Writelog.]
>
> During this weekend's RTTY Roundup, operating SO2V, I had a strange
> problem *sometimes* when changing TX focus via Writelog. I would be
> listening to both main and sub-receivers with TX focus on Main. If I
> toggled TX focus between Main and Sub, AF gain on the non-focus receiver
> would drop to zero. Touching the AF control ever so slightly would restore
> audio. It didn't matter whether I toggled focus by clicking a call in the
> "other" decoder window, clicking an Entry window field or using the
> EntryKbdXmitFocusDown function via a Keyboard Shortcut. Line Out audio to
> the decoders did not drop out. The problem persisted for several hours but
> eventually went away and both channels of audio stayed live through focus
> toggle events for the rest of Saturday. But Sunday morning when I fired up
> again, the problem returned. It did not seem to be a per-band issue as I
> saw the problem exist and go away on the same band(s). When it was
> mis-behaving, it did so on all bands that I checked and likewise when it
> was behaving. I believe I had Writelog Radio Menu | Headphones Normal and
> Headphones Latch set at all times. Writelog version 11.17E and K3 MCU
> version 4.77.
>
> Although this seems at first glance to be an obvious Writelog matter, it
> prompted *deja vu* feelings because a similar phenomenon (a bogus AF gain
> value) shows up when cycling a K3 Remote connection and has been attributed
> to a bug in K3 firmware, not yet fixed. Also, Writelog has dedicated K3
> code to support SO2V using the two receivers and the K3 SPLIT function.
> That code is exercised whenever you toggle Writelog TX focus between Main
> and Sub-receivers.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks & 73,
>
> /Rick N6XI
>
> --
> Rick Tavan N6XI
> Truckee, CA
>



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Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

2014-01-06 Thread Seiji Okumura

And why do they not have such certification?


Probably I think that this is because Japanese importer and Elecraft do not 
apply to JARD for the examination with a certificate of K3.


Oku JK1KSB

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Brown" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 
orK3X




On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote:

K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number.
See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm


And why do they not have such certification?

73, Jim K9YC
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