Re: [Elecraft] Latest serial number for KX3 ?

[Tim Elwell]

I ordered mine about a month ago and my serial is 5969. Don't know if 
that helps your guess but it's what I have.


On 4/25/14 4:03 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:

Dave,
I'm pretty sure it's somewhere north of 8000 now. -Bruce, N1RX
  

What is the latest serial number for the KX3. Ballpark ?




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Re: [Elecraft] P3 NB FW

[Frank Precissi]

Works great here.

Anything above 11 seems to add artifacts (hash) to the waterfall.  Probably
just a side-effect of the high NB setting.

Frank
KG6EYC


On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:

> Me, too, Fred. But this is sounding too good to wait on.
>
> 73, Phil w7ox
>
>
> On 4/25/14, 7:26 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>
>> I had kind of sworn off of beta releases after a fiasco with Firefox, but
>> this sounded good, and it was Alan's, so I installed it.
>>
>> Really cool Alan!  Lots of electrified fences around here [two are mine],
>> it's spring and the weeds grow up under them at about 12"/day it seems, and
>> I have a lot of "fence hash."  The K3 NB took it out of my headphones, now
>> it's out of my P3 too. :-)
>>
>> FWIW:  Very sensitive to the threshold setting when on strong signals.
>> Tonight on NCN [3533], NCS was Jim, K9JM ... about 10 miles from me and
>> very strong.  Threshold of 13 caused all sorts of artifacts to show up as
>> if he had spurs up and down the band, which he doesn't of course.  12
>> pretty much got rid of them.
>>
>> At 11, which is what I think it came up with, the power hash was very
>> suppressed and I could actually see some of the "noise humps" from specific
>> noisemakers that were buried under the general uproar.
>>
>> Nice work Alan!  You might consider a little bandspread on the threshold
>> control, it seems to have a very big effect.  And, I've done this before
>> but thanks again for the monochrome waterfall option, you can't know what
>> this did for me! :-)
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 NB FW

[Phil Wheeler]

Me, too, Fred. But this is sounding too good to 
wait on.


73, Phil w7ox

On 4/25/14, 7:26 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
I had kind of sworn off of beta releases after a 
fiasco with Firefox, but this sounded good, and 
it was Alan's, so I installed it.


Really cool Alan!  Lots of electrified fences 
around here [two are mine], it's spring and the 
weeds grow up under them at about 12"/day it 
seems, and I have a lot of "fence hash."  The K3 
NB took it out of my headphones, now it's out of 
my P3 too. :-)


FWIW:  Very sensitive to the threshold setting 
when on strong signals. Tonight on NCN [3533], 
NCS was Jim, K9JM ... about 10 miles from me and 
very strong.  Threshold of 13 caused all sorts 
of artifacts to show up as if he had spurs up 
and down the band, which he doesn't of course.  
12 pretty much got rid of them.


At 11, which is what I think it came up with, 
the power hash was very suppressed and I could 
actually see some of the "noise humps" from 
specific noisemakers that were buried under the 
general uproar.


Nice work Alan!  You might consider a little 
bandspread on the threshold control, it seems to 
have a very big effect.  And, I've done this 
before but thanks again for the monochrome 
waterfall option, you can't know what this did 
for me! :-)


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Don Wilhelm]

And we "chew" on it for the edification of all hams that may be listening.
There are myths and misinformation that I hear everyday on the ham 
bands, and to a lesser extent on reflector postings.
We can all learn from posts of the nature that Jim presented.  I have 
echoed several derivatives of his comments in the past, but perhaps it 
is time for a refresher (and some study) on what "grounds" accomplish 
and how to implement them correctly.  For Lightning protection, I refer 
you to the information by Ron Block that can be found at 
http://www.arrl.org/lightning-protection.
He does cover some AC ground protection in those articles as well. He 
talks of a perimeter wire around any building and tying it into the 
Utility entrance ground.  That is important for AC safety of your 
station and your home.


As I indicated, RF "Ground" is neither of those grounding systems. RF 
Ground is a point in the antenna system where the RF voltage is zero.  
That is entirely dependent on your antenna - for a balanced dipole, it 
exists at the center of the antenna feedpoint, and for a vertical, it 
should exist at the midpoint of the vertical radiator and whatever 
"counterpoise" is used.  That may or may not be associated (and usually 
is not) associated with any reference to "mother earth" - it is a 
concept that is unique to the RF voltage and current.


In other words, attempting to create an "RF Ground" with a connection to 
earth may be an exercise in futility and may actually create "RF in the 
shack" and depends on the length of the wire to earth.  For instance a 
"ground wire" 8 feet in length to a ground rod will be a high impedance 
to RF at 28 MHz, so instead of providing an "RF Ground", it will create 
just the opposite.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2014 9:14 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:

Wow, when you guys get your teeth into something, you really chew.



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[Elecraft] P3 NB FW

[Fred Jensen]

I had kind of sworn off of beta releases after a fiasco with Firefox, 
but this sounded good, and it was Alan's, so I installed it.


Really cool Alan!  Lots of electrified fences around here [two are 
mine], it's spring and the weeds grow up under them at about 12"/day it 
seems, and I have a lot of "fence hash."  The K3 NB took it out of my 
headphones, now it's out of my P3 too. :-)


FWIW:  Very sensitive to the threshold setting when on strong signals. 
Tonight on NCN [3533], NCS was Jim, K9JM ... about 10 miles from me and 
very strong.  Threshold of 13 caused all sorts of artifacts to show up 
as if he had spurs up and down the band, which he doesn't of course.  12 
pretty much got rid of them.


At 11, which is what I think it came up with, the power hash was very 
suppressed and I could actually see some of the "noise humps" from 
specific noisemakers that were buried under the general uproar.


Nice work Alan!  You might consider a little bandspread on the threshold 
control, it seems to have a very big effect.  And, I've done this before 
but thanks again for the monochrome waterfall option, you can't know 
what this did for me! :-)


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Beta software Bug?

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

The question on weather or not it is a bug is the change in intensity of the 
Red on the
External monitor when going from default to Grey scale (I may have not made 
that clear).








 From: Alan Bloom 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Beta software Bug?
 

One change in the beta firmware is to make the width of the transmit 
cursor in "Data A" mode equal to 2.7 kHz.  The reason is that in Data A 
mode there is no way for the firmware to know what the actual bandwidth 
is - it can be whatever is coming out the PC's sound card.  So rather 
than assume narrow-FSK as in the old firmware, the new firmware makes 
the cursor width equal to the SSB bandwidth.

Alan N1AL


On 04/25/2014 05:37 PM, Harry_Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> I am new to having a P3 (with SVGA).
>
> I loaded the new beta and now there is a red background while in data mode
> Is that the Transmit cursor (I do not recall seeing it before)?
>
>
> I noticed on the VGA monitor the Red will go from Low intensity Red to High
> intensity Red when you change the Waterfall Colors form Default to Grey
> scale.
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Is there a reason the receive is so Skinny

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

The K3 receives perfectly well all the way to 4 KHz (200 - 4200,
100 - 4100, 50 - 4050 [if you can stand the growl]) as long as one has
a suitably wide roofing filter.  I regularly see 100 to 4100 Hz in data
modes using the FM roofer (I did not bother with a 6 KHz filter).  The 
response is easily dead flat for 3800 Hz with 4000 Hz at +1/-3 dB on

"Line Out" and slightly more on the headphone output with judicious
use of the RX EQ.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/25/2014 6:01 PM, Larry Wassmann wrote:

How come we can transmit out to 4K but can only receive to about 3.5K. Seems 
strange to me. I would like to hear as wide as I can transmit. Yes I know I can 
shift the center frequency, but by doing that the low end is diminished and I 
don’t like that either. Couldn’t this be done in a future DSP update. Just 
wishing.


73 OZ






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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Richard Solomon]

Wow, when you guys get your teeth into something, you really chew.

73, Dick, W1KSZ


On 4/25/2014 4:24 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:

I took the KX3 manual into the smallest room in the house for a few

minutes this morning 


NOW!

Is there anyone in the audience, who still has doubt about some of the most " Earth 
" shattering
thought processes ever to evolve from that Small Room.

These thoughts are so " Electrifying " that it leaves its occupants no other 
option, but to

have both feet " Grounded "
Such is the beauty of having a well grounded, down to earth idea that can be 
conceived in
no other place but the "Small Room ":-)


ps. The devil made me do it!



73 Milverton.


On Friday, April 25, 2014 5:39 PM, Frank Precissi  wrote:
  
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Gary Gregory  wrote:

Frank,

I don't think Jim's comments would be considered "blasting" by Elecraft. I
believe they know Jim quite well and Jim has provided a lot of input and
support over an extended time.

I know Jim has taught me to look carefully at my own station installation
and the lessons learned have been of benefit to me.

I thought Jim's comments were timely but that is only my opinion and not
shared by many perhaps. I believe Jim meant no disrespect to Elecraft.

Gary


My issue was not about the content, but about the delivery.  If I had an
issue about a vague or incorrect term for a product I wouldn't go on a
public forum and call them to the mat on how wrong it is (ie: "These
paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite. Yes, we've seen serious
errors in equipment manuals for as long as I've been a ham, but we expect
more from Elecraft").


Frank
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Beta software Bug?

[Alan Bloom]

One change in the beta firmware is to make the width of the transmit 
cursor in "Data A" mode equal to 2.7 kHz.  The reason is that in Data A 
mode there is no way for the firmware to know what the actual bandwidth 
is - it can be whatever is coming out the PC's sound card.  So rather 
than assume narrow-FSK as in the old firmware, the new firmware makes 
the cursor width equal to the SSB bandwidth.


Alan N1AL


On 04/25/2014 05:37 PM, Harry_Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

I am new to having a P3 (with SVGA).

I loaded the new beta and now there is a red background while in data mode
Is that the Transmit cursor (I do not recall seeing it before)?


I noticed on the VGA monitor the Red will go from Low intensity Red to High
intensity Red when you change the Waterfall Colors form Default to Grey
scale.





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Beta software Bug?

[Rick Bates]

Mine too.  Not in CW mode but in data mode.  Didn't check SSB. 

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

> On Apr 25, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Harry_Yingst via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am new to having a P3 (with SVGA).
> 
> I loaded the new beta and now there is a red background while in data mode
> Is that the Transmit cursor (I do not recall seeing it before)?
> 
> 
> I noticed on the VGA monitor the Red will go from Low intensity Red to High
> intensity Red when you change the Waterfall Colors form Default to Grey
> scale.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Mike Morrow]

Jim wrote:

> These paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite. Yes, we've
> seen serious errors in equipment manuals for as long as I've been a ham,
> but we expect more from Elecraft. It is yet another example of confusion
> and muddled thinking resulting from using the word "ground" when other 
> words, like "radial" and "counterpoise" convey the correct meaning.

I wrote:

> There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?

Jim wrote:

> None at all -- it is exactly errors like this that have led to 
> widespread misunderstandings about how these things work.

There is neither dispute with nor criticism of the technical points of
your original post.  My response certainly made none.  In that light,
those who take issue with my posting do so with a straw man.

The problem is presentation...namely your subject line assertion, and
your last paragraph, quoted above.  Both fully meet any reasonable
definition of pedantry, or hyperbole, or both.  I have several decades
experience communicating technical material in my profession (electrical
and nuclear engineering).  Pedantry and hyperbole mitigate against effective
communication...unless used in an obviously humorous presentation.  I
missed the humor in your presentation. :-)

I, for one, have never expected to be instructed in antenna principles
from the owner's manual of any radio I have ever purchased in 46 years
as a ham.  I would not be interested in any such material provided by
Elecraft or any other manufacturer.  I'd say remove it...it doesn't
belong in an equipment manual.  Have the manufacturers of all those
$300 to $600 magic sky hooks that folks buy for their KX3 put that
info in their manuals, if anywhere it must be other than one of the
many many proper handbooks. :-)

73,
Mike / KK5F  
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Jim Brown]

On 4/25/2014 5:08 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
Should that post been proceeded by a private email to Wayne and the 
other authors of the manual, that is a different matter entirely, it 
may have been done, but we will never know about that. 


If I had discovered a serious fault (or even a minor one) with a product 
or firmware that might have used by someone to give Elecraft a black 
eye, I would have done so directly with Wayne, and I have done that more 
than a few times in the past. But this one is about educating one and 
all about concepts that are widely misunderstood by hams, including, 
sadly, many who write manuals. W3FPR, K6DGW, N1AL are among those who 
clearly understood, and posted clear examples of exactly the 
misconceptions I was describing.


Within an hour of my post, Wayne responded in a very positive manner, 
asked if I would like to mark up a copy of the text in question, I 
agreed. I sent the marked up text back to him about 90 minutes ago.


Try having an exchange like that with ANY other manufacturer! How many 
years (and new models) did it take Yaesu to fix their massive key click 
problem with the FT1000-series?


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] P3 Beta software Bug?

[Harry_Yingst via Elecraft]

I am new to having a P3 (with SVGA).

I loaded the new beta and now there is a red background while in data mode
Is that the Transmit cursor (I do not recall seeing it before)?


I noticed on the VGA monitor the Red will go from Low intensity Red to High
intensity Red when you change the Waterfall Colors form Default to Grey
scale.





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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[riese-k3djc]

U wouldnt the correct term be Return 
when talking antennas

Bob K3DJC 



On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 17:04:13 -0700 Josh Fiden 
writes:
> Used correctly, THAT symbol is specifically Earth ground. As opposed 
> to 
> the 'sideways E' (chassis ground)  or triangle (signal) ground 
> symbols.
> 
> Lots of room for confusion, and very often they seem to be used 
> interchangeably. Using them correctly conveys useful info!
> 
> I vote yes for pedantic!
> 
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
> 
> 
> On 4/25/2014 3:48 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> > For example the shape on the schematic with the three little 
> > horizontal lines is referred to as a "ground" symbol. 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Don Wilhelm]

Given the subject matter, I believe Jim's comments are quite in order to 
assist in educating the hams on this reflector.
Should that post been proceeded by a private email to Wayne and the 
other authors of the manual, that is a different matter entirely, it may 
have been done, but we will never know about that.


The information on Jim's post should be valuable to the general ham 
population, so a public post was appropriate IMHO.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2014 7:57 PM, Robert L. Tucker via Elecraft wrote:

I'm with Frank. His remark is right on the money, IMHO.
Robert
K5TD




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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Hi Folks,

We're in direct contact with Jim on this issue, so lets end the thread at this 
time in the interest of keeping list traffic under control.


Now back to our regular mayhem.. ;-)

73,

Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Josh Fiden]

Used correctly, THAT symbol is specifically Earth ground. As opposed to 
the 'sideways E' (chassis ground)  or triangle (signal) ground symbols.


Lots of room for confusion, and very often they seem to be used 
interchangeably. Using them correctly conveys useful info!


I vote yes for pedantic!

73,
Josh W6XU


On 4/25/2014 3:48 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
For example the shape on the schematic with the three little 
horizontal lines is referred to as a "ground" symbol. 


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Robert L. Tucker via Elecraft]

I'm with Frank. His remark is right on the money, IMHO.
Robert
K5TD

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> On Apr 25, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Frank Precissi  wrote:
> 
> There is a difference between emailing Elecraft and voicing your concerns
> privately vs going on the public mailing list and blasting them in front of
> their customer base.
> 
> Just my 0.02.
> 
> Frank
> KG6EYC
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[Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Johnny Siu]

I am afraid that I don't think Jim is pedantic.  What he said is factually 
correct and it is nothing wrong for him to tell us the fact in the mail listing.

The best part of Elecraft is having real thick-skin.  I always criticise them 
openly in this mail listing.  Although I am their loyal user, there is NOT a 
logic that I should always clap my hands towards them on every occasion.

On the other hand, if I said nothing on this mail listing in future, I might 
have already quietly sold all my elecraft gears.

Well done, Jim and I am looking forward to more radio knowledge.  Unlike most 
of the learned telecom specialists here, I am not a radio man by profession.

73

Johnny VR2XMC
 


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主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual
  

On 4/25/2014 1:53 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:
> There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?

None at all -- it is exactly errors like this that have led to 
widespread misunderstandings about how these things work.

And I posted it to the reflector hoping to cause readers to think about 
these misconceptions.

73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] FW: KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Bruce Beford]

And your efforts -are- appreciated, Jim. At least by some. Please keep up
the fight. Not to be overly dramatic but evil only requires good men to do
nothing. Misconceptions and incorrect terminology should be corrected
regularly or they become "common knowledge". 
73
Bruce, N1RX

> There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?
> None at all -- it is exactly errors like this that have led to
> widespread misunderstandings about how these things work
> And I posted it to the reflector hoping to cause readers to think 
> about these misconceptions. 
> 73, Jim K9YC
 


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft]

 I took the KX3 manual into the smallest room in the house for a few 
minutes this morning  


NOW! 

Is there anyone in the audience, who still has doubt about some of the most " 
Earth " shattering
thought processes ever to evolve from that Small Room. 

These thoughts are so " Electrifying " that it leaves its occupants no other 
option, but to 

have both feet " Grounded " 
Such is the beauty of having a well grounded, down to earth idea that can be 
conceived in
no other place but the "Small Room "    :-) 


ps. The devil made me do it! 



73 Milverton. 


On Friday, April 25, 2014 5:39 PM, Frank Precissi  wrote:
 
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Gary Gregory  wrote:
>
>> Frank,
>>
>> I don't think Jim's comments would be considered "blasting" by Elecraft. I
>> believe they know Jim quite well and Jim has provided a lot of input and
>> support over an extended time.
>>
>> I know Jim has taught me to look carefully at my own station installation
>> and the lessons learned have been of benefit to me.
>>
>> I thought Jim's comments were timely but that is only my opinion and not
>> shared by many perhaps. I believe Jim meant no disrespect to Elecraft.
>>
>> Gary
>
>
>My issue was not about the content, but about the delivery.  If I had an
>issue about a vague or incorrect term for a product I wouldn't go on a
>public forum and call them to the mat on how wrong it is (ie: "These
>paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite. Yes, we've seen serious
>errors in equipment manuals for as long as I've been a ham, but we expect
>more from Elecraft").
>
>
>Frank
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Fred Jensen]

Years ago [many] they were usually called "antenna couplers" which is 
somewhat closer to fact.  I was once told by a trucker with a radio and 
no license that the purpose of the gizmo in the cables to the "co-phase, 
coil-boosted antennas" on his mirrors was "to block the SWR's from the 
radio."  I guess that's one way to look at it.


You're right though, ATU technically sends the wrong message.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 4/25/2014 3:06 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:

While they're at it, I'd suggest getting rid of "antenna tuner" and its
"ATU" derivatives.

"AMU" would go far in helping a new ham understand why he needs to push
that button.

As it is, many erroneously believe the antenna itself is being tuned.



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Fred Jensen]

I know Jim very well and he is technically correct of course.  That 
said, I can make the case that the goal of the manual is to communicate 
to a very large audience on the set-up and use of the radio.  For many 
of them [most?], the term "ground" can mean the chassis connection, the 
negative terminal of the power supply, a rod driven in the ground, a 
wire laying on or slightly elevated from the earth's surface in the 
vicinity of the antenna, or even the Pacific Ocean [if you happen to be 
afloat in it].  I think consistency in choice of terms is probably at 
least as important as the exact terms themselves.


The manual *does* need to be very clear on matters of safety.  NEC 
requires that all earth electrodes be bonded together with heavy wire 
and bonded to the service entrance earth electrode.  If the manual is 
going to talk about an earth electrode, it probably should mention items 
like this, perhaps in a footnote.


On a different but related subject, I host and power the neighborhood 
RAP for the wireless company on my tower in return for free I'net access 
at the backhaul speed [17-25 mbps or so].  They recently replaced their 
equipment and used an SMPS in the UPS to power the radios and their 
router.  The SMPS was putting out raucous, 7-8 KHz wide signals every 26 
KHz from below the AM BC band to about 60 meters.  Peaks were running 
about -40 dBm [S9+35] on 80 and 160.  It's gone now, thanks to the info 
in Jim's very detailed dissertation on RFI [http://k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf].


We're all increasingly subject to RFI conditions with the explosion of 
RF noisemakers out there.  If you have such a problem, I strongly 
recommend reading Jim's paper before trying to mitigate the noises.  It 
will save you a bundle of money, effort, and time.  And, proper 
"grounding" can be a big factor. :-)


Now if I can just get CalTrans to fix their street light down at the 
interchange.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 4/25/2014 2:14 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

That may be. But we're thick-skinned around here, and we revel in a
good technical skirmish now and then. Jim is a worthy combatant.


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Alan Bloom]

The term "ground" has always been used to refer to the common tie point 
in a circuit.  For example the shape on the schematic with the three 
little horizontal lines is referred to as a "ground" symbol.


But that has caused no end of confusion.  Contrary to widely-held 
belief, in 99% of cases it is not necessary to tie the "ground" point to 
earth for proper operation.


You often hear people say that a low-pass TVI filter must be grounded 
for proper operation.  If by "grounded" they mean tied to the chassis of 
the transmitter, then that is correct.  But if by "grounded" they mean 
connected to earth, then it is absolutely not true.


People often blame TVI on inadequate earth ground. Nothing could be 
farther from the truth.  A connection to earth ground could make the TVI 
worse, better, or (most likely) no change, depending on the particular 
installation, but if you have a TVI problem it is almost certainly not 
due to lack of an earth ground.


Alan N1AL


On 04/25/2014 02:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Jim is quite correct that a radial or a counterpoise should not be
referred to as 'ground'.  To do so further confuses the use of "ground"
by many hams.
At least the English use words to differentiate between "earth" and
"ground" (but there is still the lack of differentiation for
counterpoises and radials).

One needs to consider AC grounds, Lightning grounds, and RF Grounds
separately.  The only two that have a relationship with driven ground
rods are the AC Ground and Lightning Ground.  RF ground (and RF return
path with respect to the antenna) is an entirely different
consideration, and IMHO should not be called "ground" because it rarely
is a "ground".

There is further confusion about what a "ground" is.  Driven stakes do
not constitute an RF ground as one example, and a simple driven stake is
not adequate for lightning protection even though it may provide some
ESD protection.

Yes, I have given this "rant" several times on this reflector and
elsewhere.  Do you have your driven ground rods connected to the utility
entrance ground rod with a large conductor (#6 or larger)? If not, you
may have created a safety hazard instead of any protection.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2014 4:53 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

These paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite.

There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?




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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

 From: Wayne Burdick

That may be. But we're thick-skinned around here,

--- Snip ---


---

I'm glad to see you folks are Thick skinned.

I know I can come across as harsh but It's better to have a friend tell you
a harsh truth than an enemy (or fake friend) tell you everything is OK.

I Like Elecraft as a Company and I have steered a number of people to Elecraft.
So I have a interest in seeing Elecraft do well not only for myself but for 
those I send to Elecraft.

The day I tell you that Elecraft  is perfect is they day you will know I no 
longer care.
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[Elecraft] New KX3 field-test firmware provides more accurate KXPA100 power setting

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

The KX3’s PWR control can be used to directly set the KXPA100’s power output, 
assuming the KX3 and amp are connected by a control cable, and PA MODE = ON. 
However, the PWR setting is an estimate based on factory calibration at 75 W; 
actual output varies with load impedance, supply voltage, and per-band 
amplifier gain. The estimate is typically within +/- 1 dB, adequate for most 
purposes.

The latest field-test firmware for the KX3 allows the operator to obtain more 
accurate amplifier output, if desired, using the KX3's TUNE function. After 
activating TUNE, power will be automatically adjusted to within about +/- 2 
watts based on data read from the amplifier itself. This would typically be 
done after setting PWR or changing bands, and perhaps after switching antennas. 

If you're interested in testing the new firmware, please email me directly. (If 
you don't get an email back, it's because I've gotten too many volunteers.)

Thanks,

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Bill Turner]

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:  (may be snipped)

On 4/25/2014 3:06 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:


As it is, many erroneously believe the antenna itself is being tuned. 


REPLY:

Please don't get hung up over "tuning" vs "matching". The word "tune" in 
English is widely used to mean adjusting something to reach a desired 
condition. You use an antenna tuner to match impedances. You tune you 
car's engine to match factory specs.


To many of us "antenna" means the whole system including feedline. In 
that sense, "antenna tuner" is correct.


It's like tuning an amplifier. Again, you are "tuning" the output 
network to match impedances. Everyone knows what it means to "tune an 
amplifier".


Or would you rather say "Please standby while I match the output 
impedance of the tube in my amplifier to my antenna system"?


73, Bill W6WRT





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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 CoolerKX heat sink offering

[fredem]

I just received notification from the powder coater that your CoolerKX heat
sinks are ready for pick-up. Those of you who wrote me asking to be notified
when they were ready to ship- the time is now. FYI, there is only one
uncoated unit still available at this time. Cheers, Fred.



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Re: [Elecraft] DDS K1.

[Robin Bayer]

I enjoy my K1 and its LC VFO, but always liked the idea of a 15 or 20 turn
LC to allow a slower tuning rate with the wider band coverage.

Robin
KA5QQA
On Apr 25, 2014 11:23 AM, "Gil G."  wrote:

> Ah, if only we could get a K1 with a DDS VFO!
> Everything else remaining the same, because
> it is the perfect radio!
> I have a KX3, but I miss my K1, should have
> kept it..
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[Elecraft] Is there a reason the receive is so Skinny

[Larry Wassmann]

How come we can transmit out to 4K but can only receive to about 3.5K. Seems 
strange to me. I would like to hear as wide as I can transmit. Yes I know I can 
shift the center frequency, but by doing that the low end is diminished and I 
don’t like that either. Couldn’t this be done in a future DSP update. Just 
wishing. 


73 OZ






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Re: [Elecraft] Check Circuit Breaker

[Martin]

Elecrafters,
thank you for your replies.

It turned out the faston plugs did not make a good contact to the 
circuit breaker. So rocking them a little cured the problem.


Phew!


For those who asked: The serial number is 2878. I built this radio in 
2009 .


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[KENT TRIMBLE]

While they're at it, I'd suggest getting rid of "antenna tuner" and its 
"ATU" derivatives.


"AMU" would go far in helping a new ham understand why he needs to push 
that button.


As it is, many erroneously believe the antenna itself is being tuned.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Don Wilhelm]

I don't think so.  The continued use of incorrect terms will lead to 
further confusion, and does not give the reader sufficient reason to 
grow in an amatuer's learning path.  The "correct" terms are not just 
engineering terms, they exist for a reason - not all that is referred to 
as "ground" are equal and many do not refer to "mother earth".


Amateurs are to "advance the state of the art", and it is implied in The 
Amateur' Code - "He keeps his station abreast of science".  To me that 
does not mean speaking to the lowest common denominator when that common 
denominator is a source of confusion already.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2014 5:12 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
Since the vast majority of radio amateurs are not engineers is it 
possible that it is preferable to use the terms that amateurs are 
familiar with in the way that they are familiar with, rather than the 
"correct" engineering terms?




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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Jim Brown]

On 4/25/2014 1:53 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?


None at all -- it is exactly errors like this that have led to 
widespread misunderstandings about how these things work.


And I posted it to the reflector hoping to cause readers to think about 
these misconceptions.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Bill Turner]

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:  (may be snipped)

On 4/25/2014 2:12 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
Since the vast majority of radio amateurs are not engineers is it 
possible that it is preferable to use the terms that amateurs are 
familiar with in the way that they are familiar with, rather than the 
"correct" engineering terms?


73,
Scott, N9AA 


REPLY:

No.

73, Bill W6WRT

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Bill Turner]

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:  (may be snipped)

On 4/25/2014 1:53 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?


REPLY:

Pedantic is in the eye of the beholder.  Jim is dead on.

73, Bill W6WRT

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Re: [Elecraft] DDS K1.

[EricJ]

I completely agree, Mike. A DDS would add nothing to the K1, but would 
destroy one of its better features--smooth continuous tuning. Step 
tuning is annoying and fatiguing. I never got used to it on the KX1.


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On 4/25/2014 1:45 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

Ah, if only we could get a K1 with a DDS VFO!

Absolutely NOT!!!  True, a DDS VFO adds crystal-like frequency
stability, and frequency-change agility.  But it also adds many
spurs on its output that increase spurious emissions on transmit
and spurious output of the receiver local oscillator to degrade
receiver performance.  (All this assumes that DDS output is being
used in the signal paths directly, as it is in the KX1, rather than
to synch a phase-locked loop voltage controlled oscillator.)  If
good RF performance is an important criteria, one will always be
forced to choose an LC VFO over a direct use of DDS in the signal
path.

Traditionally, DDS chips have been power hungry, although the KX1's
AD 9834 is very good in that area.  Its maximum clock frequency
of 75 MHz (earlier, 50 MHz) limits it to frequencies below 25 MHz
(earlier, 16.7 MHz), which is a big reason why few DDS QRP rigs were
designed for 15m coverage.

The LC VFO makes a much better performing and cleaner K1, as long as it
has good stability.  The K1's LC VFO is amazingly stable.  Its continuous
tuning is far more natural and less fatiguing than the step incremental
tuning of a DDS rig like the KX1, IMHO.

I would NOT purchase a K1 that had been modified to use the output
of a DDS directly.


Everything else remaining the same, because it is the perfect radio!

Well...let's just say it's the best QRP radio of its size and power
consumption.  Mine is almost 14 years old and I will never get rid of
it, unless someone sneaks in and changes it to DDS! :-)


I have a KX3, but I miss my K1, should have kept it.

Exactly so.  I'll be ordering a KX3 soon...but my K1 stays forever!

73,
Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Frank Precissi]

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Gary Gregory  wrote:

> Frank,
>
> I don't think Jim's comments would be considered "blasting" by Elecraft. I
> believe they know Jim quite well and Jim has provided a lot of input and
> support over an extended time.
>
> I know Jim has taught me to look carefully at my own station installation
> and the lessons learned have been of benefit to me.
>
> I thought Jim's comments were timely but that is only my opinion and not
> shared by many perhaps. I believe Jim meant no disrespect to Elecraft.
>
> Gary


My issue was not about the content, but about the delivery.  If I had an
issue about a vague or incorrect term for a product I wouldn't go on a
public forum and call them to the mat on how wrong it is (ie: "These
paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite. Yes, we've seen serious
errors in equipment manuals for as long as I've been a ham, but we expect
more from Elecraft").

Frank
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[F5vjc]

No, but many are, or aspire to be, Engineers and prefer correct engineering
terminology.
This is so much more useful than the propagation of ancient " Ham Law" or
god forbid, CB nonesense.
I vote for pedantry...

73, F5VJC


On 25 April 2014 23:12, Scott Manthe  wrote:

> Since the vast majority of radio amateurs are not engineers is it possible
> that it is preferable to use the terms that amateurs are familiar with in
> the way that they are familiar with, rather than the "correct" engineering
> terms?
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
>
> On 4/25/14 5:01 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>
>> Jim IS correct though and it would be preferable to use the correct term
>> rather than those that are bandied around in conversations we hear on air
>> often.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Scott Manthe]

After rereading Jim's comments I agree that using the term "ground" to 
refer to any kind of radial or counterpoise isn't the best terminology. 
That usage might not demand an immediate and total rewrite of the 
manual, but it certainly isn't optimal.


73,
Scott, N9AA


On 4/25/14 5:01 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

Jim IS correct though and it would be preferable to use the correct term
rather than those that are bandied around in conversations we hear on air
often.

Gary





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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Don Wilhelm]

Jim is quite correct that a radial or a counterpoise should not be 
referred to as 'ground'.  To do so further confuses the use of "ground" 
by many hams.
At least the English use words to differentiate between "earth" and 
"ground" (but there is still the lack of differentiation for 
counterpoises and radials).


One needs to consider AC grounds, Lightning grounds, and RF Grounds 
separately.  The only two that have a relationship with driven ground 
rods are the AC Ground and Lightning Ground.  RF ground (and RF return 
path with respect to the antenna) is an entirely different 
consideration, and IMHO should not be called "ground" because it rarely 
is a "ground".


There is further confusion about what a "ground" is.  Driven stakes do 
not constitute an RF ground as one example, and a simple driven stake is 
not adequate for lightning protection even though it may provide some 
ESD protection.


Yes, I have given this "rant" several times on this reflector and 
elsewhere.  Do you have your driven ground rods connected to the utility 
entrance ground rod with a large conductor (#6 or larger)? If not, you 
may have created a safety hazard instead of any protection.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2014 4:53 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

These paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite.

There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?




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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Gary Gregory]

Frank,

I don't think Jim's comments would be considered "blasting" by Elecraft. I
believe they know Jim quite well and Jim has provided a lot of input and
support over an extended time.

I know Jim has taught me to look carefully at my own station installation
and the lessons learned have been of benefit to me.

I thought Jim's comments were timely but that is only my opinion and not
shared by many perhaps. I believe Jim meant no disrespect to Elecraft.

Gary


On 26 April 2014 07:05, Frank Precissi  wrote:

> There is a difference between emailing Elecraft and voicing your concerns
> privately vs going on the public mailing list and blasting them in front of
> their customer base.
>
> Just my 0.02.
>
> Frank
> KG6EYC
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Gary Gregory  wrote:
>
> > Jim IS correct though and it would be preferable to use the correct term
> > rather than those that are bandied around in conversations we hear on air
> > often.
> >
> > Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Wayne Burdick]

That may be. But we're thick-skinned around here, and we revel in a good 
technical skirmish now and then. Jim is a worthy combatant.

Wayne


On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:05 PM, Frank Precissi  wrote:

> There is a difference between emailing Elecraft and voicing your concerns
> privately vs going on the public mailing list and blasting them in front of
> their customer base.
> 
> Just my 0.02.
> 
> Frank
> KG6EYC


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Scott Manthe]

Since the vast majority of radio amateurs are not engineers is it 
possible that it is preferable to use the terms that amateurs are 
familiar with in the way that they are familiar with, rather than the 
"correct" engineering terms?


73,
Scott, N9AA


On 4/25/14 5:01 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

Jim IS correct though and it would be preferable to use the correct term
rather than those that are bandied around in conversations we hear on air
often.

Gary






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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

... but that's what the internet is for -- so you can tell 50,000 of 
your closest friends about the slightest little problem.


Of course, nobody notices when things go right.

On 4/25/2014 2:05 PM, Frank Precissi wrote:

There is a difference between emailing Elecraft and voicing your concerns
privately vs going on the public mailing list and blasting them in front of
their customer base.

Just my 0.02.


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Wayne Burdick]

We used the term "ground" a bit loosely in the manual; this seemed justified 
since we were aiming for pragmatic suggestions to help new hams, not scientific 
precision. But the text could be updated to be more technically accurate 
without loosing is information value, and Jim has offered to provide some input 
on word choice.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Gary Gregory  wrote:

> Jim IS correct though and it would be preferable to use the correct term
> rather than those that are bandied around in conversations we hear on air
> often.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> On 26 April 2014 06:53, Mike Morrow  wrote:
> 
>>> These paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite.
>> 
>> There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Mike / KK5F



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Re: [Elecraft] K4?

[Gary Gregory]

Hi Phil,

Your preaching to the choir mate...:-)

I think the P3 remote sensor has probably been shelved as I have asked
several times directly and never even got a reply so my assumption is this
device has been placed in the too hard basket and perhaps Elecraft see it
as a limited return on investment?

Your hub idea would be a great addition for me, I too would "want one".

Keep up the squeaking mate, it hopefully will get some oil..:-)

73

Gary


On 26 April 2014 01:38, Phil Hystad  wrote:

> Before work begins on the K4, I would like to see (after, this is a wish
> list right?):
>
> 1.  P3 TX monitoring (although, this is not critically important to me but
> it is often requested).
>
> 2.  2-meter 100-watt amplifier to go along with 2-meter KX3.
>
> 3.  Distribution Hub.
>
> This thing I am calling a "Distribution Hub" is a small box with at least
> 4 RS-232 adaptors on it and a processor supporting a host computer network
> (TCP/IP) interface.  This would be used for all Elecraft serial comms.
>  Besides the hardware work of the box itself, there needs to be an
> established protocol between the box and the host that the utility programs
> can support.
>
> I can build this myself but if the Elecraft utility programs do not
> support directly a TCP/IP interface then it is not really a useful thing to
> me.  So, Elecraft should build it.
>
> A cool side affect of this is that it would be easy to make the individual
> serial ports addressable and have one utility program that works with
> several devices (the K3 + P3 + KPA500 + KAT500).  Having multiple device
> support would enable a more easy management of firmware updates and
> parameter settings that are needed across different devices that work
> together.
>
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Such renderings are very useful.  I think it was done very nicely. I
> would personally place my order the instant I heard such a version was
> available.  I might add the ability to switch bands with a single button
> push like many other rigs do, as well as triple band stacking.  But a fully
> integrated transceiver is very enticing.  I would like to see 200+ watts
> out and possibly a built in power supply.
> >
> > I'm sure Wayne and Eric have considered (or maybe even ARE considering)
> what's next.  This would probably be one heck of an undertaking and perhaps
> the market is much too limited to support such a model.
> >
> > Nonetheless, I remain eternally hopeful
> >
> > 73, Doug -- K0DXV
> >
> > On 4/24/2014 2:07 PM, TJ Campie wrote:
> >> Can we get one of these?
> >>
> >> http://imgur.com/2lnecGL
> >>
> >>
> >> 73, W0EA
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Frank Precissi]

There is a difference between emailing Elecraft and voicing your concerns
privately vs going on the public mailing list and blasting them in front of
their customer base.

Just my 0.02.

Frank
KG6EYC

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Gary Gregory  wrote:

> Jim IS correct though and it would be preferable to use the correct term
> rather than those that are bandied around in conversations we hear on air
> often.
>
> Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Stephen Prior]

In the pursuit of truth, there is nothing wrong with being pedantic!

73 Stephen, G4SJP


On 25 April 2014 22:01, Gary Gregory  wrote:

> Jim IS correct though and it would be preferable to use the correct term
> rather than those that are bandied around in conversations we hear on air
> often.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 26 April 2014 06:53, Mike Morrow  wrote:
>
> > > These paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite.
> >
> > There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?
> >
> > 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Latest serial number for KX3 ?

[Bruce Beford]

Dave,
I'm pretty sure it's somewhere north of 8000 now. -Bruce, N1RX
 
> What is the latest serial number for the KX3. Ballpark ?
 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Gary Gregory]

Jim IS correct though and it would be preferable to use the correct term
rather than those that are bandied around in conversations we hear on air
often.

Gary


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>
> There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?
>
> 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Phil Wheeler]

Seriously pedantic!

Phil w7ox

On 4/25/14, 1:53 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

These paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite.

There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?

73,
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[Elecraft] Latest serial number for KX3 ?

[N1IX]

What is the latest serial number for the KX3. Ballpark ?

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Mike Morrow]

> These paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite.

There's no chance that you are being just a little pedantic, perhaps?

73,
Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] DDS K1.

[Mike Morrow]

> Ah, if only we could get a K1 with a DDS VFO!

Absolutely NOT!!!  True, a DDS VFO adds crystal-like frequency
stability, and frequency-change agility.  But it also adds many
spurs on its output that increase spurious emissions on transmit
and spurious output of the receiver local oscillator to degrade
receiver performance.  (All this assumes that DDS output is being
used in the signal paths directly, as it is in the KX1, rather than
to synch a phase-locked loop voltage controlled oscillator.)  If
good RF performance is an important criteria, one will always be
forced to choose an LC VFO over a direct use of DDS in the signal
path.

Traditionally, DDS chips have been power hungry, although the KX1's
AD 9834 is very good in that area.  Its maximum clock frequency
of 75 MHz (earlier, 50 MHz) limits it to frequencies below 25 MHz 
(earlier, 16.7 MHz), which is a big reason why few DDS QRP rigs were
designed for 15m coverage.

The LC VFO makes a much better performing and cleaner K1, as long as it
has good stability.  The K1's LC VFO is amazingly stable.  Its continuous
tuning is far more natural and less fatiguing than the step incremental
tuning of a DDS rig like the KX1, IMHO.

I would NOT purchase a K1 that had been modified to use the output
of a DDS directly.

> Everything else remaining the same, because it is the perfect radio!

Well...let's just say it's the best QRP radio of its size and power
consumption.  Mine is almost 14 years old and I will never get rid of
it, unless someone sneaks in and changes it to DDS! :-)

> I have a KX3, but I miss my K1, should have kept it.

Exactly so.  I'll be ordering a KX3 soon...but my K1 stays forever!

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3 - K3] KX3 Utility and Kindle Firefox using Fire OS 3.0

[Phil Hystad]

Doug,

I am not sure about the Kindle but the Mac versions of the utility program 
should be reasonably easily modified to run on the iPad (or, even the iPhone).  
Doing it right may involve a design of new views and thus new view controllers 
and such but all the basic underlying logic may still be usable since it is 
written in Objective-C or even some parts in C which is the same as the iOS 
system on iPad.  

When the iPad first was released I did this to a program that I had written for 
Mac OS X and since my Mac OS X version did not use a lot of touch features it 
was actually fair easy to convert -- of course, this was back in the days of 
Cocoa Touch when it was still close to Cocoa on OS X.  Since the rename to iOS 
and lots of new features being added, it would probably be a little more work 
then I faced.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Apr 25, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Doug Turnbull  wrote:

> Dear Elecraft OMs and Yls,
>   I know this is a bit over the top but is there any chance that the
> KX3 and maybe K3 utility programs might eventually be available for the
> Kindle OS 3.0 operating system.  This is a real stab into futility for which
> I beg your forbearance.
> 
>   There was something to be said for a single dominant operating system
> but there you are. People are perverse and technology constantly changes.   
> 
>Thanks for your time in reading this.
> 
>73 Doug EI2CN
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[Elecraft] KX3 Serious Errors in the Manual

[Jim Brown]

I took the KX3 manual into the smallest room in the house for a few 
minutes this morning, and was quite dismayed by what I read under the 
heading of "Grounding and ESD Protection."


The manual says "A ground system using buried rods and/or a ground 
counterpoise (wires radiating out from the antenna) can reduce receive 
interference and help prevent electrical shock or damage due to 
electrostatic discharge (ESD)."


A connection to earth DOES provide ESD protection and lightning 
protection, but it is NOT part of a solution to noise elimination, and 
does NOT make an antenna work better. Those wires extending out from the 
antenna are correctly described as radials or a counterpoise, but they 
are NOT a "ground,"  and they DO make the antenna work better by 
providing a return for antenna current, and for the EM field produced by 
the antenna. Indeed, the earth is really a big resistor, and any current 
that flows in it results in wasted transmitter power. Indeed, an 
important function of a good radial system is to SHIELD the antenna's EM 
field from the lossy earth!  And those radials do NOT reduce receive noise.


A couple of paragraphs later talks about "Pedestrian Mobile Ground" and 
says "if you plan to transmit, you'll need a trailing ground wire to 
serve as a minimal counterpoise and greatly improve your transmitted 
signal."  Again, that wire IS a counterpoise, it IS part of the antenna, 
and it DOES improve your transmitted signal, but it is NOT a "ground" wire.


Earlier on the page, under the heading of "Antennas," is the statement 
"If you use a short whip, vertical, or a single wire, a ground of some 
kind is necessary (described at right) to provide good transmit 
efficiency. Dipoles, inverted Vs, beams, quads, and similar antennas 
have an inherent counterpoise, making ground optional, though still 
desireable."


Again, the word "ground" is the wrong one to describe radials or a 
counterpoise. And a connection to earth is desirable ONLY for lightning 
and ESD protection -- it does NOT make the antenna work better, nor does 
it reduce noise or RFI.


These paragraphs demand a serious and immediate rewrite. Yes, we've seen 
serious errors in equipment manuals for as long as I've been a ham, but 
we expect more from Elecraft. It is yet another example of confusion and 
muddled thinking resulting from using the word "ground" when other 
words, like "radial" and "counterpoise" convey the correct meaning.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] [KX3 - K3] KX3 Utility and Kindle Firefox using Fire OS 3.0

[Doug Turnbull]

Dear Elecraft OMs and Yls,
   I know this is a bit over the top but is there any chance that the
KX3 and maybe K3 utility programs might eventually be available for the
Kindle OS 3.0 operating system.  This is a real stab into futility for which
I beg your forbearance.

   There was something to be said for a single dominant operating system
but there you are. People are perverse and technology constantly changes.   

Thanks for your time in reading this.

73 Doug EI2CN



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Re: [Elecraft] FS: Ham Central Terminal

[XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft]

Just let your contest logger do it with a macro.  N1MM has that built in as
does many others.

Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] P3 beta software with noise blanker

[Vic Rosenthal K2VCO]

Very interesting. I didn't have a lot of noise to try it with (my 
antennas have been taken down in preparation for a move, so I just stuck 
a wire in the K3 antenna jack), but I think it's going to be a help.


Two things that would make this more useful:

1) SVGA support
2) Have it turn on automatically with the K3 NB

On 4/25/2014 12:00 AM, F5vjc wrote:

This new P3 Beta Noise Blanker feature works very well for me here.

I am plagued by electric fence clicks and while the K3 NB does a great job
of eliminating the audible clicks I could always see them on the P3,
displayed as horizontal lines in the Waterfall and base line jumping in
sync with the clicks.

Now with the P3 NB engaged this annoyance is eliminated. Great job!

Many thanks Alan and Elecraft.

73 F5VJC


On 24 April 2014 22:13, Alan Bloom  wrote:




New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
site:

http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm

This requires K3 firmware version 4.25 or later and if you have the SVGA
option, SVGA firmware version 1.16 or later. As always, beta test
firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught during field
testing. Please report them to k3supp...@elecraft.com.

This version has a number of enhancements and bug fixes as described in
the p3fwnotes.rtf file. The major new feature is noise blanking. Below
is some explanatory text that I will be submitting to add to the P3
Owner's Manual.

Enjoy!

Alan N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 beta software with noise blanker

[Alan Bloom]

On 04/25/2014 06:28 AM, d...@lightstream.net wrote:

Will you also be implementing this on the SVGA side as well?



It's on the list.

Alan N1AL

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Re: [Elecraft] Check Circuit Breaker

[Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft]

Do you have a Dummy Load? 
By transmitting into a DL, you will eliminate or confirm 
the presence of Common Mode Current, or any Antenna 
related problems. 
You also have the DMM, you can check for Voltave drop. 

Best of luck. 


73 Milverton. 


On Friday, April 25, 2014 11:50 AM, Martin  wrote:
 
Elecrafters,
>the K3 all of a sudden shut down twice during my vacation/portable 
>operation. I thought i had identified the problem by tightening a loose 
>wire in a 220V-outlet of my /p home.
>
>Now it shut down a third time (i believe the refrigerator turned on the 
>same moment) and this seems to be a tough one.
>
>The display shows 12V ERR on transmit , the power will not go above 12 
>Watts and when i set it above 12 Watts i see 12V ERR , CHECK CIRCUIT 
>BREAKER. The Fan runs continuosly at mid-level.
>
>Where to start? The only gear for measuring is a DMM here.
>
>BTW: The Switcher PSU delivers rock solid 13.8 Volts.
>There is no way to reload the Firmware right now, i have no cable  here.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 beta software with noise blanker

[XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft]

I am unable to try this at this time.  Are you saying this only shows up on
the built-in monitor and not on the external SVGA monitor?


Keith




Alan, 

Nice work -- thank you very much for implementing this! Prior to this, 
even though the K3 NB was very effective at eliminating the powerline 
noise, the P3 was pretty much useless since the signals were not visible 
below the noise. No longer the case! 

*Will you also be implementing this on the SVGA side as well? *

Thank you again! 

73, Dale 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA monitor choices

[Jim Brown]

On 4/25/2014 5:46 AM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

What do you guys use for an external monitor when using P3/SVGA?
I saw a video on YouTube of a guy using a small touch screen with the 
Lp-Pan/NaP3, but that can't be done with a P3, right?
Can't really use a touch screen because there's no such functionality in the P3.


I'm using cast-off computer monitors -- someone upgrades their desktop, 
the old monitor is surplus. I had a few of these myself, and a post to 
the email reflectors of a couple of local clubs yielded several more. 
All free.


Be VERY cautious about the current crop of monitors with touch controls 
-- one of the monitors a local ham gave me was a new Samsung BX2250 LCD 
that he could not use because it goes nuts when he transmits. Even 
running from my 12V battery, it's also a noise generator.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] Check Circuit Breaker

[Martin]

Elecrafters,
the K3 all of a sudden shut down twice during my vacation/portable 
operation. I thought i had identified the problem by tightening a loose 
wire in a 220V-outlet of my /p home.


Now it shut down a third time (i believe the refrigerator turned on the 
same moment) and this seems to be a tough one.


The display shows 12V ERR on transmit , the power will not go above 12 
Watts and when i set it above 12 Watts i see 12V ERR , CHECK CIRCUIT 
BREAKER. The Fan runs continuosly at mid-level.


Where to start? The only gear for measuring is a DMM here.

BTW: The Switcher PSU delivers rock solid 13.8 Volts.
There is no way to reload the Firmware right now, i have no cable  here.


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Re: [Elecraft] DDS K1.

[Phil Wheeler]

Yes, that's a plus of the KX1, with the 3080 
option it has RX from 1.0 to 16.5 or so MHz. Handy 
at times.


73, Phil w7ox

On 4/25/14, 9:22 AM, Gil G. wrote:

Ah, if only we could get a K1 with a DDS VFO!
Everything else remaining the same, because
it is the perfect radio!
I have a KX3, but I miss my K1, should have
kept it..

Gil.


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[Elecraft] DDS K1.

[Gil G.]

Ah, if only we could get a K1 with a DDS VFO!
Everything else remaining the same, because
it is the perfect radio!
I have a KX3, but I miss my K1, should have
kept it..

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Question

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A kind person pointed out that there was a "Save As' in the drop down
dialog box under FILE.  I just assumed there was not one when I did not
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA monitor choices

[Rick Prather]

Hi,

I picked up a 15" Dell LCD monitor at my local Thrift store for $15.  Works 
like a champ and I like the size.  I find the 15" is about perfect and it sits 
on top of the K3/P3 very nicely.

BTW, I actually prefer the "old" 4:3 aspect over the 16:9 because I think the 
P3 display is better having extra vertical room.

73,
Rick
K6LE

On 4/25/2014, at 5:46 , Slava Baytalskiy  wrote:

> Hi all!
> What do you guys use for an external monitor when using P3/SVGA?
> I saw a video on YouTube of a guy using a small touch screen with the 
> Lp-Pan/NaP3, but that can't be done with a P3, right?
> Can't really use a touch screen because there's no such functionality in the 
> P3.
> So in that case that just leaves a regular monitor choices.
> I'm assuming wide screen (16:9) is a way to go?
> Any size recommendations?
> 
> Just wanted to see what everyone uses and draw some conclusions based on that.
> 
> Thanks a bunch in advance!
> 
> Slava B
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Re: [Elecraft] K4?

[Phil Hystad]

Before work begins on the K4, I would like to see (after, this is a wish list 
right?):

1.  P3 TX monitoring (although, this is not critically important to me but it 
is often requested).

2.  2-meter 100-watt amplifier to go along with 2-meter KX3.

3.  Distribution Hub.

This thing I am calling a "Distribution Hub" is a small box with at least 4 
RS-232 adaptors on it and a processor supporting a host computer network 
(TCP/IP) interface.  This would be used for all Elecraft serial comms.  Besides 
the hardware work of the box itself, there needs to be an established protocol 
between the box and the host that the utility programs can support.

I can build this myself but if the Elecraft utility programs do not support 
directly a TCP/IP interface then it is not really a useful thing to me.  So, 
Elecraft should build it.

A cool side affect of this is that it would be easy to make the individual 
serial ports addressable and have one utility program that works with several 
devices (the K3 + P3 + KPA500 + KAT500).  Having multiple device support would 
enable a more easy management of firmware updates and parameter settings that 
are needed across different devices that work together.


73, phil, K7PEH


On Apr 25, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft 
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> Such renderings are very useful.  I think it was done very nicely. I would 
> personally place my order the instant I heard such a version was available.  
> I might add the ability to switch bands with a single button push like many 
> other rigs do, as well as triple band stacking.  But a fully integrated 
> transceiver is very enticing.  I would like to see 200+ watts out and 
> possibly a built in power supply.
> 
> I'm sure Wayne and Eric have considered (or maybe even ARE considering) 
> what's next.  This would probably be one heck of an undertaking and perhaps 
> the market is much too limited to support such a model.
> 
> Nonetheless, I remain eternally hopeful
> 
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
> 
> On 4/24/2014 2:07 PM, TJ Campie wrote:
>> Can we get one of these?
>> 
>> http://imgur.com/2lnecGL
>> 
>> 
>> 73, W0EA
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Elecraft UPS deliveries

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I was responding Not to the original poster but to the one (Bill) saying the 
thread should stay right where it is.


As for the "Moaning and Griping" as you put it.

I personally have had in my last three orders missing parts, and one was sent 
to the wrong address; Is this normal?

Now Please Note: I'm Still waiting for the missing parts, they were going to 
overnight them,
but I told them it was not that big of a rush (I guess I should have accepted 
the overnight).

Oh and BTW, the package I just got today... Yea It's also missing a part.

Am I just supposed to accept it as the norm?












 
 


SIGH!!


Now Elecraft is drawn in into this Moaning and GRIPING.

PLEASE, Please, go back and read the original post! 
Elecraft had absolutely nothing to do with the time it took for him
get his purchased item. 

BTW. Elecraftlet you pick your own POISON


On Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:34 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft 
 wrote:
 

>
>I have to agree (that is should stay here)
>
>I like Elecraft and have swayed a number of people to them, but getting a 
>ordered product
>shipped to me correctly and in a timely manner is part of that business 
>relationship.
>
>I work hard to earn the money I spend with Elecraft.
>That money represents the fruits of my labors, when I spend it with Elecraft
>I'm trusting them
 to process my orders in a very timely and correct manner.
>
>I tend to use Priority Mail it is the most cost effective and allows
 me to spend more with Elecraft.
>
>(I would like to see Elecraft use more Flat rate shipping since it's typically 
>cheaper than the current
 rates)
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Bill Turner 
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:51 AM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries
>
>
>ORIGINAL MESSAGE:       
   (may
>be snipped)
>
>On 4/23/2014 7:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> Maybe this thread would better be moved to the United Parcel Service 
>> list? 
>
>REPLY:
>
>I think the thread is fine right here. Anyone who deals with Elecraft 
>deals with shipping. I'm finding the various experiences most interesting.
>
>73, Bill W6WRT
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4?

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Such renderings are very useful.  I think it was done very nicely. I 
would personally place my order the instant I heard such a version was 
available.  I might add the ability to switch bands with a single button 
push like many other rigs do, as well as triple band stacking.  But a 
fully integrated transceiver is very enticing.  I would like to see 200+ 
watts out and possibly a built in power supply.


I'm sure Wayne and Eric have considered (or maybe even ARE considering) 
what's next.  This would probably be one heck of an undertaking and 
perhaps the market is much too limited to support such a model.


Nonetheless, I remain eternally hopeful

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/24/2014 2:07 PM, TJ Campie wrote:

Can we get one of these?

http://imgur.com/2lnecGL


73, W0EA
TJ

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NAQCC #3768 | Flying Pigs QRP #2254
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] OT: NVIS with KX3

[Brian Hunt]

> I've heard it said that a wire on the ground as a "reflector" improves NVIS 
> coms if the ground is poor.  

A single wire under the dipole doesn't do much. Less than a dB according to 
EZNEC. Any parasitic effect is muddled by the "reflector" being on the ground. 

It's mostly about height. About 25 ft over average ground for 40 meters is 
best. Some go lower for a perceived receive advantage. I've tried 12 ft and 
it's much worse than 25 ft. YMMV

Brian, K0DTJ
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] OT: NVIS with KX3

[David Cutter]

I've heard it said that a wire on the ground as a "reflector" improves NVIS 
coms if the ground is poor.  I can't model this, but perhaps someone could 
comment.  I'm inclined to think that it might take several wires on the 
ground to make a difference.  It's an interesting idea to play with.


David
G3UNA

- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Burdick" 

To: 
Cc: "Elecraft" 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] OT: NVIS with KX3


Hi Johnny,

On 40 meters, I work all over the West Coast (0-1000 miles north/south) 
during the daytime with 5 to 10 W. The antenna is a random-length OCF dipole 
about 15' off the ground. I'm not sure how many clouds I'm burning, but many 
of the stations I work are short- and medium-range. I think this should work 
in your situation.


Wayne
N6KR


On Apr 23, 2014, at 9:03 PM, Johnny Siu  wrote:



Hello elecrafters,

It is off topic and you may wish to press 'del' button now.

Local ham clubs together with some hams in the China Mainland are going to 
do some drilling in ARES within the Pearl River Delta area (with a radius 
of about 50km).  NVIS could be one of the operation to trial run for ARES. 
My questions are:


1.  Is the power output say 10w from KX3 good enough for such purpose 
under SSB? We don't want CW which requires training operators.  Phone mode 
can be operated by anyone with minimal guidance (a simulation under 
emergency).


2. During day time, is 40m a proper band to use (no 60m band in ITU Region 
3)?  If yes, what will be usually frequencies used such proposes?


3.  I am going to use Buddipole for the NVIS antenna.  Did you go good 
results for similar operation in the past?


Looking forward to your advice and thanks in advance.  Please reply 
off-the-list so as to save the bandwidth here.


73

Johnny VR2XMC


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Re: [Elecraft] Going 2014 with my K2

[Dave Barr]

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 21:30:55 -0400
From: PHILIP GRAITCER
Subject: [Elecraft] Going 2014 with my K2


I love my five year old K2, and although I have a K3, I?d like to keep using 
the K2 for the field and digital. ...

2. Digital modes. Don has a nice solution to digital modes on the K2, but are 
there updates? What are others doing to go digital with their K2s?

Thanks,
Phil

Philip L. Graitcer, W3HZZ

Hi Phil

For many years my K2 (sn 537) has performed admirably (over 250 digital 
entities at 5 watts and over 100 at one watt) on RTTY, PSK and JT65/9 as 
well as a few other digi modes with a very basic set up: Direct 
connection from K2 to a laptop with small transformer isolation, bypass 
caps and ptt circuits built into the patch cords, all connecting at the 
K2 mic connector after running RX audio to an unused mic connector pin.  
The rx audio level is NOT constant, but I have never found this to be a 
problem.  Software now is MMTTY (with N1MM for contests), WSJTX2 and 
Digipan, etc.  On RTTY I use somewhat lower than the standard 2125-2195 
hz tones to allow for the K2 bandpass.  My K2 has not been updated for 
at least 6 or 7 years. Schematics for the audio isolation and ptt 
circuits are available on AA5AU's website.


73, Dave, K2YG
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 beta software with noise blanker

[d...@lightstream.net]

Alan,

Nice work -- thank you very much for implementing this! Prior to this,
even though the K3 NB was very effective at eliminating the powerline
noise, the P3 was pretty much useless since the signals were not visible
below the noise. No longer the case!

Will you also be implementing this on the SVGA side as well?

Thank you again!

73, Dale
WA8SRA





> New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
> site:
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm
>
> ...

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Question

[Matt Zilmer]

Hi Dave,

The best way to do what you want is to use the USB port on the P3 SVGA
adapter.  You can attach a Flash drive and save a screen to it via the
SVGA menu.  I do this a lot, and just leave an old 128 MB unit
connected most of the time.  I only pull it out once in a while to
dump the screen shots on it.

This won't work if you don't have the SVGA adapter, because that P3
option hosts the USB socket.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:09:45 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Is there a way using the P3 Utility program to save the captured scan to
>disk, as opposed to a screen shot then saving and editing that shot?  I
>would like to be able to grab a shot from the P3, and save just that
>shot to disk.
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
--
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spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Question

[Dick Dievendorff]

After you click "capture image", click "File" on the menu bar (top left), Save 
As, and type in a file name and click "save".

Dick, K6KR


-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cole
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 6:10 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Utility Question

Hello,

Is there a way using the P3 Utility program to save the captured scan to disk, 
as opposed to a screen shot then saving and editing that shot?  I would like to 
be able to grab a shot from the P3, and save just that shot to disk.

--
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On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 08:18 -0400, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> Is there a reason why you can't save the P3 settings using the P3 Utility, 
> like we do in the K3 Utility?
> 
> Also, not sure if anyone saw this but would it be possible to keep the last 
> used label highlighted on the screen?
> When you press any of the FN* buttons - to keep the label lit up on screen?
> Makes it a lot easier to see what the current setting is, especially if its 
> being used for the SPAN.
> 
> Thanks!
> Slava B
> W2RMS
> 
> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:00 AM, F5vjc  wrote:
> 
> > This new P3 Beta Noise Blanker feature works very well for me here.
> > 
> > I am plagued by electric fence clicks and while the K3 NB does a great job
> > of eliminating the audible clicks I could always see them on the P3,
> > displayed as horizontal lines in the Waterfall and base line jumping in
> > sync with the clicks.
> > 
> > Now with the P3 NB engaged this annoyance is eliminated. Great job!
> > 
> > Many thanks Alan and Elecraft.
> > 
> > 73 F5VJC
> > 
> > 
> > On 24 April 2014 22:13, Alan Bloom  wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
> >> site:
> >> 
> >> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm
> >> 
> >> This requires K3 firmware version 4.25 or later and if you have the SVGA
> >> option, SVGA firmware version 1.16 or later. As always, beta test
> >> firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught during field
> >> testing. Please report them to k3supp...@elecraft.com.
> >> 
> >> This version has a number of enhancements and bug fixes as described in
> >> the p3fwnotes.rtf file. The major new feature is noise blanking. Below
> >> is some explanatory text that I will be submitting to add to the P3
> >> Owner's Manual.
> >> 
> >> Enjoy!
> >> 
> >> Alan N1AL
> >> 
> >> =
> >> 
> >> Noise Blanker
> >> 
> >> The noise blanker in the P3 reduces the effect of impulse-type noise on
> >> the display. It has little or no effect on other types of noise such as
> >> thermal noise and static crashes but can dramatically reduce impulse
> >> noise from sources such as the AC power line and the ignition systems of
> >> motor vehicles.
> >> 
> >> The noise blanker is turned on or off using the menu entry "NB En",
> >> which can be assigned to a function key for easy access. You can adjust
> >> the aggressiveness of the noise blanker algorithm with the menu entry
> >> "NB Level". The higher the setting the more completely it blanks the
> >> noise but also the more likely it will cause distortion of desired
> >> signals. Use the lowest setting that effectively blanks the noise. A
> >> value of about 10 or 11 is a good starting point for experimentation.
> >> Note that the REF LVL and SCALE settings have no effect on the noise
> >> blanker.
> >> 
> >> If there are one or more very strong signals within the P3 displayed
> >> frequency range, the noise blanker has a hard time detecting the
> >> difference between the unwanted pulses and the wanted signals. The
> >> solution is to narrow the span and/or offset the center frequency
> >> (perhaps using fixed-tune mode) to place the strong signals well outside
> >> the P3's display range.
> >> 
> >> ===
> >> 
> >> __._,_.___
> >>   Reply via web 
> >> post
> >>   Reply
> >> to sender
> >> 
> >>   Reply
> >> to group
> >> 
> >>   Start
> >> a New 
> >> Topic
> >>   Messages
> >> in this 
> >> topic

[Elecraft] P3 Utility Question

[David Cole]

Hello,

Is there a way using the P3 Utility program to save the captured scan to
disk, as opposed to a screen shot then saving and editing that shot?  I
would like to be able to grab a shot from the P3, and save just that
shot to disk.

-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
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http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 08:18 -0400, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> Is there a reason why you can't save the P3 settings using the P3 Utility, 
> like we do in the K3 Utility?
> 
> Also, not sure if anyone saw this but would it be possible to keep the last 
> used label highlighted on the screen?
> When you press any of the FN* buttons - to keep the label lit up on screen?
> Makes it a lot easier to see what the current setting is, especially if its 
> being used for the SPAN.
> 
> Thanks!
> Slava B
> W2RMS
> 
> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:00 AM, F5vjc  wrote:
> 
> > This new P3 Beta Noise Blanker feature works very well for me here.
> > 
> > I am plagued by electric fence clicks and while the K3 NB does a great job
> > of eliminating the audible clicks I could always see them on the P3,
> > displayed as horizontal lines in the Waterfall and base line jumping in
> > sync with the clicks.
> > 
> > Now with the P3 NB engaged this annoyance is eliminated. Great job!
> > 
> > Many thanks Alan and Elecraft.
> > 
> > 73 F5VJC
> > 
> > 
> > On 24 April 2014 22:13, Alan Bloom  wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
> >> site:
> >> 
> >> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm
> >> 
> >> This requires K3 firmware version 4.25 or later and if you have the SVGA
> >> option, SVGA firmware version 1.16 or later. As always, beta test
> >> firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught during field
> >> testing. Please report them to k3supp...@elecraft.com.
> >> 
> >> This version has a number of enhancements and bug fixes as described in
> >> the p3fwnotes.rtf file. The major new feature is noise blanking. Below
> >> is some explanatory text that I will be submitting to add to the P3
> >> Owner's Manual.
> >> 
> >> Enjoy!
> >> 
> >> Alan N1AL
> >> 
> >> =
> >> 
> >> Noise Blanker
> >> 
> >> The noise blanker in the P3 reduces the effect of impulse-type noise on
> >> the display. It has little or no effect on other types of noise such as
> >> thermal noise and static crashes but can dramatically reduce impulse
> >> noise from sources such as the AC power line and the ignition systems of
> >> motor vehicles.
> >> 
> >> The noise blanker is turned on or off using the menu entry "NB En",
> >> which can be assigned to a function key for easy access. You can adjust
> >> the aggressiveness of the noise blanker algorithm with the menu entry
> >> "NB Level". The higher the setting the more completely it blanks the
> >> noise but also the more likely it will cause distortion of desired
> >> signals. Use the lowest setting that effectively blanks the noise. A
> >> value of about 10 or 11 is a good starting point for experimentation.
> >> Note that the REF LVL and SCALE settings have no effect on the noise
> >> blanker.
> >> 
> >> If there are one or more very strong signals within the P3 displayed
> >> frequency range, the noise blanker has a hard time detecting the
> >> difference between the unwanted pulses and the wanted signals. The
> >> solution is to narrow the span and/or offset the center frequency
> >> (perhaps using fixed-tune mode) to place the strong signals well outside
> >> the P3's display range.
> >> 
> >> ===
> >> 
> >> __._,_.___
> >>   Reply via web 
> >> post
> >>   Reply
> >> to sender
> >> 
> >>   Reply
> >> to group
> >> 
> >>   Start
> >> a New 
> >> Topic
> >>   Messages
> >> in this 
> >> topic(1)
> >> Visit Your 
> >> Group
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: NVIS with KX3

[Jeff Herr]

I use nvis mode frequently.  I too tried my buddipole but ended up using its
mast and versatee to support wire cut for 7mhz.  Works great and allows
coverage for most of the west coast. i am in northern california.

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[Elecraft] FS: KX-1 tri-band QRP Transceiver

[Jack]

Elecraft KX-1 tri-band QRP Transceiver

Covers 40-30 & 20
KXAT1 Internal ATU
Internal battery holder...
KXPD1 Paddle option
Original manual
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Mint condition
$375 shipped USPS Priority

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[Elecraft] P3 SVGA monitor choices

[Slava Baytalskiy]

Hi all!
What do you guys use for an external monitor when using P3/SVGA?
I saw a video on YouTube of a guy using a small touch screen with the 
Lp-Pan/NaP3, but that can't be done with a P3, right?
Can't really use a touch screen because there's no such functionality in the P3.
So in that case that just leaves a regular monitor choices.
I'm assuming wide screen (16:9) is a way to go?
Any size recommendations?

Just wanted to see what everyone uses and draw some conclusions based on that.

Thanks a bunch in advance!

Slava B
W2RMS

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Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] P3 beta software with noise blanker

[Slava Baytalskiy]

Hi everyone!
Is there a reason why you can't save the P3 settings using the P3 Utility, like 
we do in the K3 Utility?

Also, not sure if anyone saw this but would it be possible to keep the last 
used label highlighted on the screen?
When you press any of the FN* buttons - to keep the label lit up on screen?
Makes it a lot easier to see what the current setting is, especially if its 
being used for the SPAN.

Thanks!
Slava B
W2RMS

On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:00 AM, F5vjc  wrote:

> This new P3 Beta Noise Blanker feature works very well for me here.
> 
> I am plagued by electric fence clicks and while the K3 NB does a great job
> of eliminating the audible clicks I could always see them on the P3,
> displayed as horizontal lines in the Waterfall and base line jumping in
> sync with the clicks.
> 
> Now with the P3 NB engaged this annoyance is eliminated. Great job!
> 
> Many thanks Alan and Elecraft.
> 
> 73 F5VJC
> 
> 
> On 24 April 2014 22:13, Alan Bloom  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
>> site:
>> 
>> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm
>> 
>> This requires K3 firmware version 4.25 or later and if you have the SVGA
>> option, SVGA firmware version 1.16 or later. As always, beta test
>> firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught during field
>> testing. Please report them to k3supp...@elecraft.com.
>> 
>> This version has a number of enhancements and bug fixes as described in
>> the p3fwnotes.rtf file. The major new feature is noise blanking. Below
>> is some explanatory text that I will be submitting to add to the P3
>> Owner's Manual.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Alan N1AL
>> 
>> =
>> 
>> Noise Blanker
>> 
>> The noise blanker in the P3 reduces the effect of impulse-type noise on
>> the display. It has little or no effect on other types of noise such as
>> thermal noise and static crashes but can dramatically reduce impulse
>> noise from sources such as the AC power line and the ignition systems of
>> motor vehicles.
>> 
>> The noise blanker is turned on or off using the menu entry "NB En",
>> which can be assigned to a function key for easy access. You can adjust
>> the aggressiveness of the noise blanker algorithm with the menu entry
>> "NB Level". The higher the setting the more completely it blanks the
>> noise but also the more likely it will cause distortion of desired
>> signals. Use the lowest setting that effectively blanks the noise. A
>> value of about 10 or 11 is a good starting point for experimentation.
>> Note that the REF LVL and SCALE settings have no effect on the noise
>> blanker.
>> 
>> If there are one or more very strong signals within the P3 displayed
>> frequency range, the noise blanker has a hard time detecting the
>> difference between the unwanted pulses and the wanted signals. The
>> solution is to narrow the span and/or offset the center frequency
>> (perhaps using fixed-tune mode) to place the strong signals well outside
>> the P3's display range.
>> 
>> ===
>> 
>> __._,_.___
>>   Reply via web 
>> post
>>   Reply
>> to sender
>> 
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[Elecraft] OT: NVIS with KX3

[Johnny Siu]

Just a short note to thank for all your replies.  This mailing listing is 
wonderful and I have learnt a lot from you.

TNX & 73

Johnny VR2XMC
 


 寄件人︰ Johnny Siu 
收件人︰ Elecraft ; "k...@yahoogroups.com" 
 
傳送日期︰ 2014年04月24日 (週四) 12:03 PM
主題︰ OT: NVIS with KX3
  


Hello elecrafters,

It is off topic and you may wish to press 'del' button now.

Local ham clubs together with some hams in the China Mainland are going to do 
some drilling in ARES within the Pearl River Delta area (with a radius of about 
50km).  NVIS could be one of the operation to trial run for ARES.  My questions 
are:

1.  Is the power output say 10w from KX3 good enough for such purpose under 
SSB? We don't want CW which requires training operators.  Phone mode can be 
operated by anyone with minimal guidance (a simulation under emergency).

2. During day time, is 40m a proper band to use (no 60m band in ITU Region 3)?  
If yes, what will be usually frequencies used such proposes?

3.  I am going to use Buddipole for the NVIS antenna.  Did you go good results 
for similar operation in the past?

Looking forward to your advice and thanks in advance.  Please reply 
off-the-list so as to save the bandwidth here.

73

Johnny VR2XMC
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Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] P3 beta software with noise blanker

[F5vjc]

This new P3 Beta Noise Blanker feature works very well for me here.

I am plagued by electric fence clicks and while the K3 NB does a great job
of eliminating the audible clicks I could always see them on the P3,
displayed as horizontal lines in the Waterfall and base line jumping in
sync with the clicks.

Now with the P3 NB engaged this annoyance is eliminated. Great job!

Many thanks Alan and Elecraft.

73 F5VJC


On 24 April 2014 22:13, Alan Bloom  wrote:

>
>
> New P3 beta software, version 01.28, is now uploaded to the Elecraft web
> site:
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm
>
> This requires K3 firmware version 4.25 or later and if you have the SVGA
> option, SVGA firmware version 1.16 or later. As always, beta test
> firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught during field
> testing. Please report them to k3supp...@elecraft.com.
>
> This version has a number of enhancements and bug fixes as described in
> the p3fwnotes.rtf file. The major new feature is noise blanking. Below
> is some explanatory text that I will be submitting to add to the P3
> Owner's Manual.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Alan N1AL
>
> =
>
> Noise Blanker
>
> The noise blanker in the P3 reduces the effect of impulse-type noise on
> the display. It has little or no effect on other types of noise such as
> thermal noise and static crashes but can dramatically reduce impulse
> noise from sources such as the AC power line and the ignition systems of
> motor vehicles.
>
> The noise blanker is turned on or off using the menu entry "NB En",
> which can be assigned to a function key for easy access. You can adjust
> the aggressiveness of the noise blanker algorithm with the menu entry
> "NB Level". The higher the setting the more completely it blanks the
> noise but also the more likely it will cause distortion of desired
> signals. Use the lowest setting that effectively blanks the noise. A
> value of about 10 or 11 is a good starting point for experimentation.
> Note that the REF LVL and SCALE settings have no effect on the noise
> blanker.
>
> If there are one or more very strong signals within the P3 displayed
> frequency range, the noise blanker has a hard time detecting the
> difference between the unwanted pulses and the wanted signals. The
> solution is to narrow the span and/or offset the center frequency
> (perhaps using fixed-tune mode) to place the strong signals well outside
> the P3's display range.
>
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