Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K2EXREF installation question

2014-06-06 Thread David G4DMP
Jim - Figure 9 shows a space between P3 and J4 and my K3EXREF 
installation looks exactly like that. They do not fully mate. Without 
opening my K3 to check, I do not recall the 1/4-inch spacer being loose.


73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Jim Spears  writes

Should the K3EXREF pins insert fully into the K3REF socket?  And should the
standoff fit loosely between the boards?


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[Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
Hi everyone!
Finally assembled the KAT500 last night.
I never thought i would have this much difficulty with the tuner as opposed to 
K3/P3.
Those SO-239 lugs are tricky! Especially the XMTR one. I actually ended up 
using a black screw instead of the zinc one 'cause it just wouldn't fit.
Hoping that KPA500 goes together easier.
And the W2 meter, that i ordered as a kit, came in assembled :-(
I had to take it apart (not fully) and examine what's inside. For me assembling 
these products is about 3/4 of the fun! I like using them too, but putting them 
together is something i wait for and savor it :-)
I'm a geek, i guess...
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Re: [Elecraft] Why is KX3 phase noise so much less than the K3 ?

2014-06-06 Thread Stewart Bryant

On 02/04/2014 16:19, Wayne Burdick wrote:

The K3 and KX3 both have very low phase noise. It can vary a bit from band to 
band and from one unit to the next. Sherwood measured one example of each, but 
typically both measure right around -140 dBc/Hz at 20 kHz.

When we designed the K3, we were trying to improve on the phase noise numbers 
usually found in transceivers with synthesized local oscillators. Typical 
values were -110 to -120 dBc/Hz, and this definitely impacted stations within 
close proximity of each other. By using a very high C/L ratio in the K3's VCO, 
we achieved numbers in the -140 range, and our field testers in close proximity 
could no longer hear each other at all.

This result was corroborated by the Ducie Island DXpedition, the first to use 
K3s. They told us that they had a 30-m CW station and a 30-m RTTY station both 
running at the same time within 1 kHz of each other.

The KX3 uses a different type of synthesizer, but the result is the same. In 
this case an on-chip VCO runs at a very high frequency and is then divided down 
to get to the HF range.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


Wayne

My understanding is that the KX3 is worse than the K3 on TX
phase noise sidebands. Is that what you would expect?

This can be quite critical when choosing between the K(X)3s as
a transverter driver in a dense VHF/UHF environment (5 to 10Km
separation at 400W to high gain beams) such as you find in the
SE of UK.

Stewart/G3YSX

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
Oh, and one question:
what do people do with all these power cables?
So K3 has one RCA 1A power outlet on the back, right? And i'm using that for 
the P3.
Now i need one for the KAT500 and one for the W2.
W2 came with a pre-made cable that is meant to go into the K3 (taken by the P3).
So i'm guessing i'd have to make up a new one and use power poles?
Looks like KPA500 doesn't have a power socket on the back like the K3, so i 
can't run anything off of it, right?
Do you guys just use whatever means of power distribution are available to you 
(like a power strip of some sort) and hook all these things up to that? 
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On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Slava Baytalskiy  wrote:

> Hi everyone!
> Finally assembled the KAT500 last night.
> I never thought i would have this much difficulty with the tuner as opposed 
> to K3/P3.
> Those SO-239 lugs are tricky! Especially the XMTR one. I actually ended up 
> using a black screw instead of the zinc one 'cause it just wouldn't fit.
> Hoping that KPA500 goes together easier.
> And the W2 meter, that i ordered as a kit, came in assembled :-(
> I had to take it apart (not fully) and examine what's inside. For me 
> assembling these products is about 3/4 of the fun! I like using them too, but 
> putting them together is something i wait for and savor it :-)
> I'm a geek, i guess...
> __
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> w2...@arrl.net
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Sal,

The KPA500 is a pretty easy kit but you have to take time to carefully
inventory the screws. 

Here's a tip. Look at figure 40 on page 28 of the assembly manual. I suspect
it would be easier to bend the gray wire prior to mounting the connector in
the chassis. Access is tight in its final position. I'm surprised they
haven't put a notch in the sheet metal to eliminate the need for this
alteration.

73,
Mike K2MK


W2RMS wrote
> Hi everyone!
> Finally assembled the KAT500 last night.
> I never thought i would have this much difficulty with the tuner as
> opposed to K3/P3.
> Those SO-239 lugs are tricky! Especially the XMTR one. I actually ended up
> using a black screw instead of the zinc one 'cause it just wouldn't fit.
> Hoping that KPA500 goes together easier.
> And the W2 meter, that i ordered as a kit, came in assembled :-(
> I had to take it apart (not fully) and examine what's inside. For me
> assembling these products is about 3/4 of the fun! I like using them too,
> but putting them together is something i wait for and savor it :-)
> I'm a geek, i guess...
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 assembly photo log.

2014-06-06 Thread David Cole
Hi Eric,
Nice log of the build, thanks for sharing!
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On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 21:41 -0700, Eric Ross wrote:
> I did a photo log of my assembly of the K3 (S/N 8312) this last month.   I 
> sure enjoyed the build.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/125220397@N06/sets/72157644623374769/
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[Elecraft] Expecting a delivery ... but didn't happen

2014-06-06 Thread Eugene Worth
Folks, I have a problem. I volunteered to build a K1 for a gentleman who’s 
hands are just too trembly to do it himself. I’ve been tracking the order from 
CA to my home QTH. It was supposed to arrive last night.

UPS generally doesn’t visit me until late in the evening, certainly after 6PM 
most of the time, and sometimes as late as 8PM+. So, I wasn’t too concerned 
until 9PM rolled around. I then checked the email tracking at UPS … Well, well, 
well, guess what? UPS says the package was delivered to my front door at 
5:26PM. The problem is that my wife and I were sitting at the supper table at 
that time. We didn’t hear a UPS truck in the neighborhood all evening. 

So, now I’ve got a problem … UPS says the package is delivered. Elecraft has 
done everything right. I don’t have a radio for this gentleman. 

I’m going to go to a UPS store later in the morning and ask them to check the 
GPS data on that truck at the time of delivery. Is there anything else that I 
can do?

Thanks in advance.

72,
gene
WG7GW
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[Elecraft] KX3 gobox

2014-06-06 Thread Jeff Herr

Saw this on http://www.amateurradio.com/


http://www.oe2atn.at/tom/gobox/

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 gobox

2014-06-06 Thread Rose
How about heat dissipation if the intent is to operate the radio in the box
and encased in foam?

73

Ken - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Why is KX3 phase noise so much less than the K3 ?

2014-06-06 Thread Wayne Burdick

On Jun 6, 2014, at 4:33 AM, Stewart Bryant  wrote:

> My understanding is that the KX3 is worse than the K3 on TX
> phase noise sidebands. Is that what you would expect?

No. Both have very, very low transmitted phase noise.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Mike Reublin
I power my P3 and PR6-10 from the RCA jack on the P3, using an RCA splitter. If 
the K3 can supply enough current for your needs, add one more splitter and run 
all three from there.

73, Mike NF4L

On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Slava Baytalskiy  wrote:

> Oh, and one question:
> what do people do with all these power cables?
> So K3 has one RCA 1A power outlet on the back, right? And i'm using that for 
> the P3.
> Now i need one for the KAT500 and one for the W2.
> W2 came with a pre-made cable that is meant to go into the K3 (taken by the 
> P3).
> So i'm guessing i'd have to make up a new one and use power poles?
> Looks like KPA500 doesn't have a power socket on the back like the K3, so i 
> can't run anything off of it, right?
> Do you guys just use whatever means of power distribution are available to 
> you (like a power strip of some sort) and hook all these things up to that? 
> __
> Slava (Sal) B, W2RMS
> w2...@arrl.net
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Slava Baytalskiy  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone!
>> Finally assembled the KAT500 last night.
>> I never thought i would have this much difficulty with the tuner as opposed 
>> to K3/P3.
>> Those SO-239 lugs are tricky! Especially the XMTR one. I actually ended up 
>> using a black screw instead of the zinc one 'cause it just wouldn't fit.
>> Hoping that KPA500 goes together easier.
>> And the W2 meter, that i ordered as a kit, came in assembled :-(
>> I had to take it apart (not fully) and examine what's inside. For me 
>> assembling these products is about 3/4 of the fun! I like using them too, 
>> but putting them together is something i wait for and savor it :-)
>> I'm a geek, i guess...
>> __
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>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 assembly photo log.

2014-06-06 Thread Eric Ross
I received the boxes on Thursday and started Friday evening.  I was on
the air on Sunday.  As you noticed, I had several of the upgrades
installed.  The basic turn on was done on Saturday.  I probably spent
about 15 hours total but I went real slow to make sure I didn't screw
something up.

Eric
wb7sde

On Fri, Jun 6, 2014, at 05:05 AM, David Cole wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> Nice log of the build, thanks for sharing!
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> www.nk7z.net
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 21:41 -0700, Eric Ross wrote:
> > I did a photo log of my assembly of the K3 (S/N 8312) this last month.   I 
> > sure enjoyed the build.
> > 
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/125220397@N06/sets/72157644623374769/
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Re: [Elecraft] Expecting a delivery ... but didn't happen

2014-06-06 Thread Mike Reublin
I'd also notify Elecraft. They may have more leverage with UPS than you do. 

UPS will probably put you on a list of customers who have to sign for 
everything. If so you can sign up for a MyUPS account and override it. 

73, Mike NF4L
On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Eugene Worth  wrote:

> Folks, I have a problem. I volunteered to build a K1 for a gentleman who’s 
> hands are just too trembly to do it himself. I’ve been tracking the order 
> from CA to my home QTH. It was supposed to arrive last night.
> 
> UPS generally doesn’t visit me until late in the evening, certainly after 6PM 
> most of the time, and sometimes as late as 8PM+. So, I wasn’t too concerned 
> until 9PM rolled around. I then checked the email tracking at UPS … Well, 
> well, well, guess what? UPS says the package was delivered to my front door 
> at 5:26PM. The problem is that my wife and I were sitting at the supper table 
> at that time. We didn’t hear a UPS truck in the neighborhood all evening. 
> 
> So, now I’ve got a problem … UPS says the package is delivered. Elecraft has 
> done everything right. I don’t have a radio for this gentleman. 
> 
> I’m going to go to a UPS store later in the morning and ask them to check the 
> GPS data on that truck at the time of delivery. Is there anything else that I 
> can do?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 72,
> gene
> WG7GW
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[Elecraft] K2: OK to use a bypass cap on the key?

2014-06-06 Thread w2bvh

On my K2 Is it ok to put a 1 - 10 nF bypass cap across my straight key?

I've got a 6M KW amp and evidently rf was getting into the key line at 
power levels over ~350 W and keeping the system keyed all the time.  
Three turns on  the keying wire (mini zip cord) through a split bead 
fixed it, but I'm getting on air comments about key clicks.  I'm going 
to switch to RG174 on the key and intend to add 1 - 10 nF across the key 
terminals, if its not harmful to the K2.



73,
Lenny W2BVH
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2014-06-06 Thread Howard K2HK
From: Howard K2HK 
 Date: June 6, 2014 at 1:30:27 PM 
 Subject:( K3)Can't interface Dx4win to K3
 No response from Dx4win reflector so trying K3 reflector again. K3 does not 
change frequency when using Dx4win 8.05. Simply times out when a spot is 
selected. It had been working w/o problem.
 My setup: Win7 computer, native serial port (com1) , P3, Pigknob, Winkeyer. I 
am using LP bridge for virtual serial ports. All programs respond as normal, 
i.e.,keying, kkey macro program, K3 utility. However, when selecting a spot on 
DX spots screen I receive the radio time out, interface disabled. So far as I 
can tell the DX spot screen updates and all other features function normally. I 
have tried the cable directly to K3 and with another K3 with similar results. I 
have also changed serial ports. 
 73,
 Howard ..K2HK
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Re: [Elecraft] K2: OK to use a bypass cap on the key?

2014-06-06 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/6/2014 9:09 AM, w2bvh wrote:
Three turns on  the keying wire (mini zip cord) through a split bead 
fixed it, but I'm getting on air comments about key clicks.  I'm going 
to switch to RG174 on the key and intend to add 1 - 10 nF across the 
key terminals, if its not harmful to the K2. 


NEVER use any form of parallel wire cable anywhere around RF -- it is 
notorious for RF pickup. Always use twisted pair, or coax with a decent 
copper braid shield. CAT5 is four twisted pairs, each of which has good 
bandwidth and excellent RFI resistance.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K2: OK to use a bypass cap on the key?

2014-06-06 Thread Rick Bates, WA6NHC
Wouldn't it be of higher concern to keep (greatly reduce) the RF out of the 
shack first?  That would eliminate the need for bypassing the key and may help 
with your click issue.

What happens with lower power?  It there is no click and the key operates 
normally, that's a HUGE hint you need better RFI work.

Rick, WA6NHC

iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:09 AM, w2bvh  wrote:
> 
> On my K2 Is it ok to put a 1 - 10 nF bypass cap across my straight key?
> 
> I've got a 6M KW amp and evidently rf was getting into the key line at power 
> levels over ~350 W and keeping the system keyed all the time.  Three turns on 
>  the keying wire (mini zip cord) through a split bead fixed it, but I'm 
> getting on air comments about key clicks.  I'm going to switch to RG174 on 
> the key and intend to add 1 - 10 nF across the key terminals, if its not 
> harmful to the K2.
> 
> 
> 73,
> Lenny W2BVH
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[Elecraft] Fwd: K2: OK to use a bypass cap on the key?

2014-06-06 Thread Rick Bates, WA6NHC
Apparently I can't type this morning without more coffee...  sorry for the 
repeat, I didn't catch the typos...

Wouldn't it be of higher concern to keep (greatly reduce) the RF coming back 
into the shack first?  That would eliminate the need for bypassing the key and 
may help with your click issue.

What happens with lower power?  If there is no click and the key operates 
normally, that's a HUGE hint you need better RFI work.  

I'd start with copious applications of ferrites (or even coax coils) as a 
common mode choke although if it's like some shacks I've seen, improved 
housekeeping would be the first step on bands like 6M where stray capacitance 
makes a huge difference in functionality.

Rick, WA6NHC

iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Rick Bates, WA6NHC" 
> Date: June 6, 2014 at 9:19:06 AM PDT
> To: Elecraft Reflector 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: OK to use a bypass cap on the key?
> 
> Wouldn't it be of higher concern to keep (greatly reduce) the RF out of the 
> shack first?  That would eliminate the need for bypassing the key and may 
> help with your click issue.
> 
> What happens with lower power?  It there is no click and the key operates 
> normally, that's a HUGE hint you need better RFI work.
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[Elecraft] KX3 Go Box

2014-06-06 Thread Howard Hoyt

Hi Ken, list,

I've done some pretty serious thermal studies of the KX3 
(http://proaudioeng.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/PAE-Kx31-chart1.jpg).  I looked that 
the "Go Box" concept a while ago and agree; The problem with the idea is that 
the KX3 uses the case back for all it's PA heatsinking.  In the KX3 case design the 
front-half of the clamshell case is almost completely thermally disconnected from the 
case back (only the thumbscrew area is in contact), and cannot remove PA heat by 
conduction.  In the Go Box concept the front panel is the only thing exposed to ambient 
air flow.  If the back part of the case was to be sealed in a closed cavity or encased in 
foam, heat build-up would be inevitable.  The Go Box idea may not kill the KX3's 
performance (drift, thermal limitations) if the KX3 is only used as a receiver or very 
low duty-cycle operation.  Of course, one could put a fan in the box, but here we go 
again, killing the KX3's most hard-won and fantastic attributes: low power consumptio
n, no moving parts and no acoustic noise.

Howie - WA4PSC



How about heat dissipation if the intent is to operate the radio
in the box and encased in foam?

Ken - K0PP
On Jun 6, 2014 5:50 AM, "Jeff Herr"  wrote:




>>Saw this onhttp://www.amateurradio.com/
>>http://www.oe2atn.at/tom/gobox/


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 122, Issue 12

2014-06-06 Thread Jim Fitzpatrick
I suspect very strongly that UPS delivered your package to the wrong
address. This has happened to me at least 3 times in the past 5 years with
our local UPS. I would notify UPS and Elecraft. The last misdelivery by UPS
to me was just a few months ago. I sent my KX-3 back to Elecraft for
diagnosis and repair. On return to me UPS managed to lose it in their
warehouse in Illinois. It took a month to find it. Remember, you or your
client paid Elecraft for the K-1, not UPS. It is up to Elecraft to get it
delivered to you. As I found when my KX-3 went missing Elecraft deals with
UPS problems all the time. Elecraft was very responsive to my situation.
They will initiate a missed delivery inquiry with UPS. 

Good luck.

Jim
WI9WI

Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 06:34:06 -0600
From: Eugene Worth 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Expecting a delivery ... but didn't happen
Message-ID: <0b0e077d-58cf-4898-8611-1e99187f8...@spamcop.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Folks, I have a problem. I volunteered to build a K1 for a gentleman who?s
hands are just too trembly to do it himself. I?ve been tracking the order
from CA to my home QTH. It was supposed to arrive last night.

UPS generally doesn?t visit me until late in the evening, certainly after
6PM most of the time, and sometimes as late as 8PM+. So, I wasn?t too
concerned until 9PM rolled around. I then checked the email tracking at UPS
? Well, well, well, guess what? UPS says the package was delivered to my
front door at 5:26PM. The problem is that my wife and I were sitting at the
supper table at that time. We didn?t hear a UPS truck in the neighborhood
all evening. 

So, now I?ve got a problem ? UPS says the package is delivered. Elecraft has
done everything right. I don?t have a radio for this gentleman. 

I?m going to go to a UPS store later in the morning and ask them to check
the GPS data on that truck at the time of delivery. Is there anything else
that I can do?

Thanks in advance.

72,
gene
WG7GW



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[Elecraft] K3, K3/0, KX3 remote control

2014-06-06 Thread Hiroki Kato via Elecraft
> I wonder if there is a way to use KX3 to remote control K3 just as you can 
> remote control K3 with another K3 or K3/0.
> Hiroki AH6CY
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 122, Issue 12

2014-06-06 Thread Dauer, Edward
I remember reading somewhere that there is a mod for the K3 that boosts
the current capability of the RCA power port, and that without it running
anything more than the P3 or the PR6-10, but not both, would be dicey.
Might want to check if the K3 in question has the mod.

Ted, KN1CBR



>
>73, Mike NF4L
>
>On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Slava Baytalskiy  wrote:
>
>> Oh, and one question:
>> what do people do with all these power cables?
>> So K3 has one RCA 1A power outlet on the back, right? And i'm using
>>that for the P3.
>> Now i need one for the KAT500 and one for the W2.
>> W2 came with a pre-made cable that is meant to go into the K3 (taken by
>>the P3).
>> So i'm guessing i'd have to make up a new one and use power poles?
>> Looks like KPA500 doesn't have a power socket on the back like the K3,
>>so i can't run anything off of it, right?
>> Do you guys just use whatever means of power distribution are available
>>to you (like a power strip of some sort) and hook all these things up to
>>that? 
>> __
>> Slava (Sal) B, W2RMS
>> w2...@arrl.net
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Slava Baytalskiy 
>>wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone!
>>> Finally assembled the KAT500 last night.
>>> I never thought i would have this much difficulty with the tuner as
>>>opposed to K3/P3.
>>> Those SO-239 lugs are tricky! Especially the XMTR one. I actually
>>>ended up using a black screw instead of the zinc one 'cause it just
>>>wouldn't fit.
>>> Hoping that KPA500 goes together easier.
>>> And the W2 meter, that i ordered as a kit, came in assembled :-(
>>> I had to take it apart (not fully) and examine what's inside. For me
>>>assembling these products is about 3/4 of the fun! I like using them
>>>too, but putting them together is something i wait for and savor it :-)
>>> I'm a geek, i guess...
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>>> w2...@arrl.net
>>> 
>> 
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 122, Issue 12

2014-06-06 Thread Matt Zilmer
http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts, then look
about 20% down from the top of the page.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 17:04:11 +, you wrote:

>I remember reading somewhere that there is a mod for the K3 that boosts
>the current capability of the RCA power port, and that without it running
>anything more than the P3 or the PR6-10, but not both, would be dicey.
>Might want to check if the K3 in question has the mod.
>
>Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
>
>>
>>73, Mike NF4L
>>
>>On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Slava Baytalskiy  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and one question:
>>> what do people do with all these power cables?
>>> So K3 has one RCA 1A power outlet on the back, right? And i'm using
>>>that for the P3.
>>> Now i need one for the KAT500 and one for the W2.
>>> W2 came with a pre-made cable that is meant to go into the K3 (taken by
>>>the P3).
>>> So i'm guessing i'd have to make up a new one and use power poles?
>>> Looks like KPA500 doesn't have a power socket on the back like the K3,
>>>so i can't run anything off of it, right?
>>> Do you guys just use whatever means of power distribution are available
>>>to you (like a power strip of some sort) and hook all these things up to
>>>that? 
>>> __
>>> Slava (Sal) B, W2RMS
>>> w2...@arrl.net
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Slava Baytalskiy 
>>>wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everyone!
 Finally assembled the KAT500 last night.
 I never thought i would have this much difficulty with the tuner as
opposed to K3/P3.
 Those SO-239 lugs are tricky! Especially the XMTR one. I actually
ended up using a black screw instead of the zinc one 'cause it just
wouldn't fit.
 Hoping that KPA500 goes together easier.
 And the W2 meter, that i ordered as a kit, came in assembled :-(
 I had to take it apart (not fully) and examine what's inside. For me
assembling these products is about 3/4 of the fun! I like using them
too, but putting them together is something i wait for and savor it :-)
 I'm a geek, i guess...
 __
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 w2...@arrl.net
 
>>> 
>>> 
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Go Box

2014-06-06 Thread Anthony Scandurra
The case is clearly not sealed.  Notice the gaps on all four sides of the
panel insert.  Is it enough?  Maybe...

Of course, the user should keep the entire case in the shade, too.

73, Tony K4QE


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Howard Hoyt  wrote:

> Hi Ken, list,
>
> I've done some pretty serious thermal studies of the KX3 (
> http://proaudioeng.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/PAE-Kx31-chart1.jpg).
>  I looked that the "Go Box" concept a while ago and agree; The problem with
> the idea is that the KX3 uses the case back for all it's PA heatsinking.
>  In the KX3 case design the front-half of the clamshell case is almost
> completely thermally disconnected from the case back (only the thumbscrew
> area is in contact), and cannot remove PA heat by conduction.  In the Go
> Box concept the front panel is the only thing exposed to ambient air flow.
>  If the back part of the case was to be sealed in a closed cavity or
> encased in foam, heat build-up would be inevitable.  The Go Box idea may
> not kill the KX3's performance (drift, thermal limitations) if the KX3 is
> only used as a receiver or very low duty-cycle operation.  Of course, one
> could put a fan in the box, but here we go again, killing the KX3's most
> hard-won and fantastic attributes: low power consumptio
> n, no moving parts and no acoustic noise.
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
>
>
>  How about heat dissipation if the intent is to operate the radio
>>> in the box and encased in foam?
>>>
>>> Ken - K0PP
>>> On Jun 6, 2014 5:50 AM, "Jeff Herr"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>  >>Saw this onhttp://www.amateurradio.com/
>> >>http://www.oe2atn.at/tom/gobox/
>>
>
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[Elecraft] AT1 question

2014-06-06 Thread Harlan
It must be my old age setting in but I can't get my head on right.

I have an AT1 attenuator I just finished assembling. My understanding of dB 
attenuation must be off.

If I use an input of 1 volt, shouldn't I expect 0.1 volt out if I have selected 
20 dB attenuation? 

Harlan
NC3C

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 assembly photo log.

2014-06-06 Thread Brian North
This was so helpful, mere words can't describe!

Thanks Eric.


'73. Brian.

Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Jun 2014, at 05:41, Eric Ross  wrote:
> 
> I did a photo log of my assembly of the K3 (S/N 8312) this last month.   I 
> sure enjoyed the build.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/125220397@N06/sets/72157644623374769/
> 
> Eric
> wb7sde
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[Elecraft] Expecting a delivery ... but didn't happen

2014-06-06 Thread Gene

I had the same problem with another item.

Go to the local UPS office. Ask to speak to a supervisor. Explain what 
happened.  They have very specific location device/software that uses 
Google Maps.  In my case the driver actually left it next door, about 
100 yards at my neighbor's house and the Google Maps picture showed the 
exact location..


I went to the house and showed the picture to my neighbor saying, "UPS 
said I should show this to you and if the package wasn't here I would 
have to go to the police and let them investigate."  He said he was 
about to bring it over.


Hope you get your unit.

Gene
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Re: [Elecraft] Weller WTCPT soldering sta....?

2014-06-06 Thread Edward R Cole
I used several Weller solder stations thru the years.  I just retired 
to the garage, a model WCC for which I can no longer find tips.  I 
had one tip about 1/4 to 3/8 inch wide chisel point that was great 
for very heavy soldering of large metal objects (actually too much 
for a PL-259).  Lost it last fall outside.  But I finally just tired 
out of trying to keep a tin on the old point that I used for sm 
soldering (typ 0805 and 1206 size).  My dog and my wife were tired of 
my rant against the old POS.


So I sent my $300 to a Amazon.com vendor and bought a brand new Hakko 
FX-951, with three tips: T15-ILS conical (for I know not what), 
T115-D12 (for most sm work), and T15DL52 with 1/4-inch chisel for 
heavy-duty (incl PL-259's).


I have built two pc boards in the two weeks I have had the new solder 
station and it is amazing.  Both boards are major projects with over 
100 components.  I dial in the temperature exactly to what I want and 
the unit maintains that while soldering; not just a rheostat but a 
full feedback temp control.


Even soldering some filter cans to the ground plane of the pcb was 
done well with the D12; previous use of the WCC was total muck-up 
cold soldering which required using the 3/8-inch tip to get good flow.


I like the wire tip cleaner vs using a wet sponge.  It keeps tip 
bright and ready.  I do a quick plunge-swipe before each sm component 
is soldered.  I've found with a little experimentation that 670F 
works well for sm with 60/40 solder.  The T15-DL52 seems very hot at 
this temp, making quick work of heavier items.


But if you are not a person that uses a solder iron a lot, the Weller 
probably is a reasonable choice.  If You build a lot or for work, 
then the FX-951 is what you want!  I have no desire to go back to Weller.


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread GDanner

My understanding is the KAT500 will overcurrent the K3 Aux DC output.
The KAT500 specification is 1.5A max (200 mA typ) from my IB (page 2 Rev B3 
Nov 20, 2012. The 200 mA should be ok but the 1.5A is greater than the K3 1 
amp mod is rated for.


I power my KAT500 from my station power supply. Therefore it comes on prior 
to the K3; as required by the KAT500 IB (page 3 item 2 under Elecraft K3 
Transceiver and KPA500...).
Also see !IMPORTANT: note on the top of page 10 - "If you are using the 
KAT500 with an Elecraft K3 transceiver connected using the DB15  cables as 
shown I Figure 1 or Figure 2, you must apply power to the KAT500 before 
turning the K3 on.

73
George
AI4VZ

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Reublin

Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 11:28 AM
To: Slava Baytalskiy
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

I power my P3 and PR6-10 from the RCA jack on the P3, using an RCA splitter. 
If the K3 can supply enough current for your needs, add one more splitter 
and run all three from there.


73, Mike NF4L

On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Slava Baytalskiy  wrote:


Oh, and one question:
what do people do with all these power cables?


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[Elecraft] AT1 question

2014-06-06 Thread hsherriff
I received an off list responce that said my thinking was ok

OK. Then why am I getting 0.2 volts out?
And with 1dB selected, I should be getting 0.8928.but I get 0.9936 with 
either 1dB switch selected. YET, all of the resistors are installed 
correctly and the suggested resistance checks are all but dead on.

When viewing the schematic, for a 1dB factor, there is a 5.6 ohm in series with 
a 910 ohm and the output is across the 910. Using ohm's law It looks like I 
should be getting out what I AM getting out.

Confusion has set in... I may need a Corona or two to figure this out

Harlan
NC3C

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Re: [Elecraft] AT1 question

2014-06-06 Thread David Sanders W4DES
dB = 20 * Log (Vout / Vin)

73, David W4DES



On Jun 6, 2014, at 4:21 PM, hsherr...@reagan.com wrote:

> I received an off list responce that said my thinking was ok
> 
> OK. Then why am I getting 0.2 volts out?
> And with 1dB selected, I should be getting 0.8928.but I get 0.9936 with 
> either 1dB switch selected. YET, all of the resistors are installed 
> correctly and the suggested resistance checks are all but dead on.
> 
> When viewing the schematic, for a 1dB factor, there is a 5.6 ohm in series 
> with a 910 ohm and the output is across the 910. Using ohm's law It looks 
> like I should be getting out what I AM getting out.
> 
> Confusion has set in... I may need a Corona or two to figure this out
> 
> Harlan
> NC3C
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] AT1 question

2014-06-06 Thread Harlan
that is the equation I'm using to figure what I "should" be getting out... But 
that's NOT what I'm getting. And, the reading im getting agree with the value 
of the resistors used in the voltage divider.

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David Sanders W4DES  wrote:

>dB = 20 * Log (Vout / Vin)
>
>73, David W4DES
>
>
>
>On Jun 6, 2014, at 4:21 PM, hsherr...@reagan.com wrote:
>
>> I received an off list responce that said my thinking was ok
>> 
>> OK. Then why am I getting 0.2 volts out?
>> And with 1dB selected, I should be getting 0.8928.but I get 0.9936 with 
>> either 1dB switch selected. YET, all of the resistors are installed 
>> correctly and the suggested resistance checks are all but dead on.
>> 
>> When viewing the schematic, for a 1dB factor, there is a 5.6 ohm in series 
>> with a 910 ohm and the output is across the 910. Using ohm's law It 
>> looks like I should be getting out what I AM getting out.
>> 
>> Confusion has set in... I may need a Corona or two to figure this out
>> 
>> Harlan
>> NC3C
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] AT1 question

2014-06-06 Thread Ralf Wilhelm
Harlan,

You should get 0.1 volts when you terminate your attentuator with 50 Ohms - are 
you probably using a high z voltmeter? The output of the attentuator can be 
seen as a 0.2 V voltage source with 50 ohms internal resistance - if you 
terminate it with a 50 ohms load, the 0.2 volts are divided between the 
internal resistance and the load, but if you use a high z termination instead, 
the voltage drop on across the high z is 0.2 volts...

Greetings

Ralf, DL6OAP
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Re: [Elecraft] AT1 question

2014-06-06 Thread Harlan
Ok all.. The 50 ohm load must be it. I was using a Fluke 5520A calibrator 
and a Fluke 8508A Reference Multimeter to read the output WITHOUT a load 

Been a long day.
Thanks to all
Harlan
NC3C

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Ralf Wilhelm  wrote:

>Harlan,
>
>You should get 0.1 volts when you terminate your attentuator with 50 Ohms - 
>are you probably using a high z voltmeter? The output of the attentuator can 
>be seen as a 0.2 V voltage source with 50 ohms internal resistance - if you 
>terminate it with a 50 ohms load, the 0.2 volts are divided between the 
>internal resistance and the load, but if you use a high z termination instead, 
>the voltage drop on across the high z is 0.2 volts...
>
>Greetings
>
>Ralf, DL6OAP
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Re: [Elecraft] AT1 question

2014-06-06 Thread Roger D Johnson


Only if you have the attenuator terminated properly!

On 6/6/2014 2:57 PM, Harlan wrote:

It must be my old age setting in but I can't get my head on right.

I have an AT1 attenuator I just finished assembling. My understanding of dB 
attenuation must be off.

If I use an input of 1 volt, shouldn't I expect 0.1 volt out if I have selected 
20 dB attenuation?

Harlan
NC3C

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Re: [Elecraft] K2: OK to use a bypass cap on the key?

2014-06-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Lenny,

I would not think a capacitor across the key would make much 
difference.  There are other choices - read on.


First of all determine whether the keyclicks are caused by 
RF-in-the-shack or not (so you do not go chasing the wrong gremlin).
Operate the K2 (and any amplifiers you may have been using) into a dummy 
load while monitoring on another receiver with a wire for an antenna - 
space the wire from the dummy load to give an S-9 signal into the 
monitor receiver.
Do you hear keyclicks?  If not, then look for the mentioned cures for 
RF-in-the-shack.


If the K2 (and any amplifiers) still have keyclicks, then I have to ask 
what is the serial number of the K2?  If it is below SN 4060, it may not 
have the keying waveshape mod installed.
If you do have the keying waveshape mod installed, *or* the serial 
number is greater than 4060, you likely have a problem with the K2 
keying area.


(Note that there are a lot of *ifs* in the statements above - observe 
them carefully before digging into your K2).


Currently, the K2 Keying waveshape mod is not available from Elecraft 
because the PIN diode that was used on the RF Board is no longer available.


The new K2s use an SMD PIN diode on a carrier board in place of the 
original PIN diode.
I have the older K2 keying waveshape mod instructions on my computer and 
can email it to any interested parties along with the part number and 
information about how to install the SMD PIN diode if you send me a 
direct email.  I would post the instructions on the reflector, but the 
reflector will not accept attachments for the original instructions.


HISTORY - the basic K2/10 did have some keyclicks that were not 
troublesome until an amplifier (namely the KPA100) was added which also 
amplified the keyclicks.  The K2 Keying Waveshape Mod was designed to 
eliminate those keyclicks.  The first K2 with that keyclick mod added to 
the design was SN 4060.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/6/2014 12:09 PM, w2bvh wrote:

On my K2 Is it ok to put a 1 - 10 nF bypass cap across my straight key?

I've got a 6M KW amp and evidently rf was getting into the key line at 
power levels over ~350 W and keeping the system keyed all the time.  
Three turns on  the keying wire (mini zip cord) through a split bead 
fixed it, but I'm getting on air comments about key clicks.  I'm going 
to switch to RG174 on the key and intend to add 1 - 10 nF across the 
key terminals, if its not harmful to the K2.



73,
Lenny W2BVH


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Re: [Elecraft] [Dx4win] FW: Can't interface Dx4win to K3

2014-06-06 Thread Howard K2HK
Bob, Bryan,Thank you for response.
Runs normally until I select a spot which should send the  info to the K3.  I 
can see updated spots in the spot window. Selecting a spot disables the radio 
interface. Although it resumes indicating incoming spots. FRUSTRATING. I 
believe it is independent of the LP Bridge because I have connected a native 
port #1 straight through to the K3 with same result.Howard k2hkals...@nc.rr.com

> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 16:32:52 -0400
> From: rflytieanth...@frontier.com
> To: dx4...@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] FW: [Elecraft] Can't interface Dx4win to K3
> 
> I am using lp bridge and having trouble staying connected to dx4win 
> also. I stay connected just fine until i go split operation and then i 
> get a time out. Maybe it is the lpt bridge.
> 
> Bob
> Bob Papa November
> On 6/6/2014 12:07, Howard K2HK wrote:
> >
> >
> >   From: Howard K2HK 
> >   Date: June 6, 2014 at 1:30:27 PM
> >   Subject:( K3)Can't interface Dx4win to K3
> >   No response from Dx4win reflector so trying once more.K3 does not change 
> > frequency when using Dx4win 8.05. Simply times out when a spot is selected. 
> > It had been working w/o problem.
> >   My setup: Win7 computer, native serial port (com1) , P3, Pigknob, 
> > Winkeyer. I am using LP bridge for virtual serial ports. All programs 
> > respond as normal, i.e.,keying, kkey macro program, K3 utility. However,  
> > when selecting a spot on DX spots screen I receive the radio time out, 
> > interface disabled. So far as I can tell the DX spot screen updates and all 
> > other features function normally. I have tried the cable directly to K3 and 
> > with another K3 with similar results. I have also changed serial ports.
> >   73,
> >   Howard ..K2HK
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

George,

Yes, the current from the K3 12V output is limited to 500 ma. for older 
K3s and 1 amp in later K3s.  Older K3s can be upgraded with the Elecraft 
kit to provide 1 Amp capability.


The KAT500 spec maximum draw is determined by how many relays are being 
activated by any particular antenna solution, so I would use the maximum 
value for the design point because you do not know which L/C 
combinations will be necessary for any particular antenna, and yes that 
maximum is greater than what the K2 12V output can supply (even with the 
upgrade).


I would suggest that you power your KAT500 directly from your power 
supply rather than trying to use the K2 12 volt output.


If you wish to use the K3 12 volt output so the power to the KAT100 (and 
other accessories) would be powered on when the K3 is turned on, I would 
suggest that you use the K3 12V output to drive a relay, whose contacts 
in turn provide power to those accessories (KAT500 included).


Safety note - install fuses in each power cord (near the power source) 
with the fuse rated at 1.5 to 3 times the maximum expected current draw 
by that device.  In-line fuseholders can be obtained an auto parts 
store.  I prefer the ATC-3 blade type fuses, but YMMV.


73,
Don W3FPR
On 6/6/2014 4:07 PM, GDanner wrote:

My understanding is the KAT500 will overcurrent the K3 Aux DC output.
The KAT500 specification is 1.5A max (200 mA typ) from my IB (page 2 
Rev B3 Nov 20, 2012. The 200 mA should be ok but the 1.5A is greater 
than the K3 1 amp mod is rated for.


I power my KAT500 from my station power supply. Therefore it comes on 
prior to the K3; as required by the KAT500 IB (page 3 item 2 under 
Elecraft K3 Transceiver and KPA500...).
Also see !IMPORTANT: note on the top of page 10 - "If you are using 
the KAT500 with an Elecraft K3 transceiver connected using the DB15  
cables as shown I Figure 1 or Figure 2, you must apply power to the 
KAT500 before turning the K3 on.

73
George
AI4VZ


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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Cady, Fred
Don's suggestion of a 12 v relay is a good one but if you don't want to go that 
route, the rigrunner power pole distribution box with auto outlet turn on 
(http://www.westmountainradio.com/rigrunner.php) works well.  When you turn on 
the K3 it can turn on 10 other items.  I use it to turn on the KAT500, the P3, 
a KRC2, a W2 and probably other stuff I can't remember.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don 
Wilhelm
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 4:50 PM
To: GDanner; Mike Reublin; Slava Baytalskiy
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

George,

Yes, the current from the K3 12V output is limited to 500 ma. for older K3s and 
1 amp in later K3s.  Older K3s can be upgraded with the Elecraft kit to provide 
1 Amp capability.

The KAT500 spec maximum draw is determined by how many relays are being 
activated by any particular antenna solution, so I would use the maximum value 
for the design point because you do not know which L/C combinations will be 
necessary for any particular antenna, and yes that maximum is greater than what 
the K2 12V output can supply (even with the upgrade).

I would suggest that you power your KAT500 directly from your power supply 
rather than trying to use the K2 12 volt output.

If you wish to use the K3 12 volt output so the power to the KAT100 (and other 
accessories) would be powered on when the K3 is turned on, I would suggest that 
you use the K3 12V output to drive a relay, whose contacts in turn provide 
power to those accessories (KAT500 included).

Safety note - install fuses in each power cord (near the power source) with the 
fuse rated at 1.5 to 3 times the maximum expected current draw by that device.  
In-line fuseholders can be obtained an auto parts store.  I prefer the ATC-3 
blade type fuses, but YMMV.

73,
Don W3FPR
On 6/6/2014 4:07 PM, GDanner wrote:
> My understanding is the KAT500 will overcurrent the K3 Aux DC output.
> The KAT500 specification is 1.5A max (200 mA typ) from my IB (page 2 
> Rev B3 Nov 20, 2012. The 200 mA should be ok but the 1.5A is greater 
> than the K3 1 amp mod is rated for.
>
> I power my KAT500 from my station power supply. Therefore it comes on 
> prior to the K3; as required by the KAT500 IB (page 3 item 2 under 
> Elecraft K3 Transceiver and KPA500...).
> Also see !IMPORTANT: note on the top of page 10 - "If you are using 
> the KAT500 with an Elecraft K3 transceiver connected using the DB15 
> cables as shown I Figure 1 or Figure 2, you must apply power to the
> KAT500 before turning the K3 on.
> 73
> George
> AI4VZ

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Phil Wheeler
Hmm .. I thought I read that the KAT500 must be 
turned on before the K3. Is that old info?


Phil W7OX

On 6/6/14, 4:05 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:

Don's suggestion of a 12 v relay is a good one but if you don't want to go that 
route, the rigrunner power pole distribution box with auto outlet turn on 
(http://www.westmountainradio.com/rigrunner.php) works well.  When you turn on 
the K3 it can turn on 10 other items.  I use it to turn on the KAT500, the P3, 
a KRC2, a W2 and probably other stuff I can't remember.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don 
Wilhelm
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 4:50 PM
To: GDanner; Mike Reublin; Slava Baytalskiy
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

George,

Yes, the current from the K3 12V output is limited to 500 ma. for older K3s and 
1 amp in later K3s.  Older K3s can be upgraded with the Elecraft kit to provide 
1 Amp capability.

The KAT500 spec maximum draw is determined by how many relays are being 
activated by any particular antenna solution, so I would use the maximum value 
for the design point because you do not know which L/C combinations will be 
necessary for any particular antenna, and yes that maximum is greater than what 
the K2 12V output can supply (even with the upgrade).

I would suggest that you power your KAT500 directly from your power supply 
rather than trying to use the K2 12 volt output.

If you wish to use the K3 12 volt output so the power to the KAT100 (and other 
accessories) would be powered on when the K3 is turned on, I would suggest that 
you use the K3 12V output to drive a relay, whose contacts in turn provide 
power to those accessories (KAT500 included).

Safety note - install fuses in each power cord (near the power source) with the 
fuse rated at 1.5 to 3 times the maximum expected current draw by that device.  
In-line fuseholders can be obtained an auto parts store.  I prefer the ATC-3 
blade type fuses, but YMMV.

73,
Don W3FPR
On 6/6/2014 4:07 PM, GDanner wrote:

My understanding is the KAT500 will overcurrent the K3 Aux DC output.
The KAT500 specification is 1.5A max (200 mA typ) from my IB (page 2
Rev B3 Nov 20, 2012. The 200 mA should be ok but the 1.5A is greater
than the K3 1 amp mod is rated for.

I power my KAT500 from my station power supply. Therefore it comes on
prior to the K3; as required by the KAT500 IB (page 3 item 2 under
Elecraft K3 Transceiver and KPA500...).
Also see !IMPORTANT: note on the top of page 10 - "If you are using
the KAT500 with an Elecraft K3 transceiver connected using the DB15
cables as shown I Figure 1 or Figure 2, you must apply power to the
KAT500 before turning the K3 on.
73
George
AI4VZ


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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Cady, Fred
That still may be the case, and it sure is for the KRC2, but there seems to be 
enough delay in the K3 reading the AUXBUS line that turning them on at the same 
time works OK for me.


-Original Message-
From: Phil Wheeler [mailto:w...@socal.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:16 PM
To: Cady, Fred; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

Hmm .. I thought I read that the KAT500 must be turned on before the K3. Is 
that old info?

Phil W7OX

On 6/6/14, 4:05 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:
> Don's suggestion of a 12 v relay is a good one but if you don't want to go 
> that route, the rigrunner power pole distribution box with auto outlet turn 
> on (http://www.westmountainradio.com/rigrunner.php) works well.  When you 
> turn on the K3 it can turn on 10 other items.  I use it to turn on the 
> KAT500, the P3, a KRC2, a W2 and probably other stuff I can't remember.
> Cheers,
> Fred KE7X
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 4:50 PM
> To: GDanner; Mike Reublin; Slava Baytalskiy
> Cc: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly
>
> George,
>
> Yes, the current from the K3 12V output is limited to 500 ma. for older K3s 
> and 1 amp in later K3s.  Older K3s can be upgraded with the Elecraft kit to 
> provide 1 Amp capability.
>
> The KAT500 spec maximum draw is determined by how many relays are being 
> activated by any particular antenna solution, so I would use the maximum 
> value for the design point because you do not know which L/C combinations 
> will be necessary for any particular antenna, and yes that maximum is greater 
> than what the K2 12V output can supply (even with the upgrade).
>
> I would suggest that you power your KAT500 directly from your power supply 
> rather than trying to use the K2 12 volt output.
>
> If you wish to use the K3 12 volt output so the power to the KAT100 (and 
> other accessories) would be powered on when the K3 is turned on, I would 
> suggest that you use the K3 12V output to drive a relay, whose contacts in 
> turn provide power to those accessories (KAT500 included).
>
> Safety note - install fuses in each power cord (near the power source) with 
> the fuse rated at 1.5 to 3 times the maximum expected current draw by that 
> device.  In-line fuseholders can be obtained an auto parts store.  I prefer 
> the ATC-3 blade type fuses, but YMMV.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> On 6/6/2014 4:07 PM, GDanner wrote:
>> My understanding is the KAT500 will overcurrent the K3 Aux DC output.
>> The KAT500 specification is 1.5A max (200 mA typ) from my IB (page 2 
>> Rev B3 Nov 20, 2012. The 200 mA should be ok but the 1.5A is greater 
>> than the K3 1 amp mod is rated for.
>>
>> I power my KAT500 from my station power supply. Therefore it comes on 
>> prior to the K3; as required by the KAT500 IB (page 3 item 2 under 
>> Elecraft K3 Transceiver and KPA500...).
>> Also see !IMPORTANT: note on the top of page 10 - "If you are using 
>> the KAT500 with an Elecraft K3 transceiver connected using the DB15 
>> cables as shown I Figure 1 or Figure 2, you must apply power to the
>> KAT500 before turning the K3 on.
>> 73
>> George
>> AI4VZ

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Phil Wheeler

Thanks, Fred. Good to know. I just leave my KAT500 on.

Phil

On 6/6/14, 4:18 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:

That still may be the case, and it sure is for the KRC2, but there seems to be 
enough delay in the K3 reading the AUXBUS line that turning them on at the same 
time works OK for me.


-Original Message-
From: Phil Wheeler [mailto:w...@socal.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:16 PM
To: Cady, Fred; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

Hmm .. I thought I read that the KAT500 must be turned on before the K3. Is 
that old info?

Phil W7OX

On 6/6/14, 4:05 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:

Don's suggestion of a 12 v relay is a good one but if you don't want to go that 
route, the rigrunner power pole distribution box with auto outlet turn on 
(http://www.westmountainradio.com/rigrunner.php) works well.  When you turn on 
the K3 it can turn on 10 other items.  I use it to turn on the KAT500, the P3, 
a KRC2, a W2 and probably other stuff I can't remember.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Don Wilhelm
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 4:50 PM
To: GDanner; Mike Reublin; Slava Baytalskiy
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

George,

Yes, the current from the K3 12V output is limited to 500 ma. for older K3s and 
1 amp in later K3s.  Older K3s can be upgraded with the Elecraft kit to provide 
1 Amp capability.

The KAT500 spec maximum draw is determined by how many relays are being 
activated by any particular antenna solution, so I would use the maximum value 
for the design point because you do not know which L/C combinations will be 
necessary for any particular antenna, and yes that maximum is greater than what 
the K2 12V output can supply (even with the upgrade).

I would suggest that you power your KAT500 directly from your power supply 
rather than trying to use the K2 12 volt output.

If you wish to use the K3 12 volt output so the power to the KAT100 (and other 
accessories) would be powered on when the K3 is turned on, I would suggest that 
you use the K3 12V output to drive a relay, whose contacts in turn provide 
power to those accessories (KAT500 included).

Safety note - install fuses in each power cord (near the power source) with the 
fuse rated at 1.5 to 3 times the maximum expected current draw by that device.  
In-line fuseholders can be obtained an auto parts store.  I prefer the ATC-3 
blade type fuses, but YMMV.

73,
Don W3FPR
On 6/6/2014 4:07 PM, GDanner wrote:

My understanding is the KAT500 will overcurrent the K3 Aux DC output.
The KAT500 specification is 1.5A max (200 mA typ) from my IB (page 2
Rev B3 Nov 20, 2012. The 200 mA should be ok but the 1.5A is greater
than the K3 1 amp mod is rated for.

I power my KAT500 from my station power supply. Therefore it comes on
prior to the K3; as required by the KAT500 IB (page 3 item 2 under
Elecraft K3 Transceiver and KPA500...).
Also see !IMPORTANT: note on the top of page 10 - "If you are using
the KAT500 with an Elecraft K3 transceiver connected using the DB15
cables as shown I Figure 1 or Figure 2, you must apply power to the
KAT500 before turning the K3 on.
73
George
AI4VZ




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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Bill W2BLC
Some place back in time I was told to turn the KAT500 on first, followed 
by the KAT500, and then the K3. I still do it this way and have never 
had any problems getting things to play well together after initial 
turn-on. Unlikely that I would want to change from something that works.


Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Re: [Elecraft] Weller WTCPT soldering sta....?

2014-06-06 Thread Nr4c
To Ed and all the others who responded to my query. 

I weighed all your ideas and bought a Weller WESD51. Nice unit and does have 
var temp. 

So far works well. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 6, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Edward R Cole  wrote:
> 
> I used several Weller solder stations thru the years.  I just retired to the 
> garage, a model WCC for which I can no longer find tips.  I had one tip about 
> 1/4 to 3/8 inch wide chisel point that was great for very heavy soldering of 
> large metal objects (actually too much for a PL-259).  Lost it last fall 
> outside.  But I finally just tired out of trying to keep a tin on the old 
> point that I used for sm soldering (typ 0805 and 1206 size).  My dog and my 
> wife were tired of my rant against the old POS.
> 
> So I sent my $300 to a Amazon.com vendor and bought a brand new Hakko FX-951, 
> with three tips: T15-ILS conical (for I know not what), T115-D12 (for most sm 
> work), and T15DL52 with 1/4-inch chisel for heavy-duty (incl PL-259's).
> 
> I have built two pc boards in the two weeks I have had the new solder station 
> and it is amazing.  Both boards are major projects with over 100 components.  
> I dial in the temperature exactly to what I want and the unit maintains that 
> while soldering; not just a rheostat but a full feedback temp control.
> 
> Even soldering some filter cans to the ground plane of the pcb was done well 
> with the D12; previous use of the WCC was total muck-up cold soldering which 
> required using the 3/8-inch tip to get good flow.
> 
> I like the wire tip cleaner vs using a wet sponge.  It keeps tip bright and 
> ready.  I do a quick plunge-swipe before each sm component is soldered.  I've 
> found with a little experimentation that 670F works well for sm with 60/40 
> solder.  The T15-DL52 seems very hot at this temp, making quick work of 
> heavier items.
> 
> But if you are not a person that uses a solder iron a lot, the Weller 
> probably is a reasonable choice.  If You build a lot or for work, then the 
> FX-951 is what you want!  I have no desire to go back to Weller.
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 assembly

2014-06-06 Thread Phil Hystad
My KAT500 is always on.  It is forever on.  It is on, and on, and on.  Almost 
never is it off.  The only time it is off is when I am out for some extended 
time period (more than 24 hours) and I throw the master switch that turns 
everything off.  Other than that, the KAT500 with its cute little green LED 
lights is on.  In my shack, when all the other equipment is off, the KAT500 is 
on.  Actually other than the master switch, I am not sure if I have ever turned 
off the KAT500.  I may not know how to turn off the KAT500.

The K3, the KX3, the KX1 are not like the KAT500.  They are turned off each 
night just prior to me climbing up the stairs to the main floor of the house to 
bed down for the night.  I turn off the K3 and KX3.  I never turn off the 
KAT500.  I turn off (front panel off) the KPA500.  I turn off the lamps in the 
shack.  I put my two Mac computers to sleep (sometimes).  I make sure 
everything is off except for the KAT500s that remain on with their little green 
LED lights shining thru the night.

Green, green, the lights they shine, those LED lights at night.  Green, green, 
the KAT500 stays on, it stays on thru the night.

73, phil, K7PEH

P.S.  you know, each morning when I go to turn on the K3, I find that the 
KAT500 is already on and ready to do its deed for the day.



On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Bill W2BLC  wrote:

> Some place back in time I was told to turn the KAT500 on first, followed by 
> the KAT500, and then the K3. I still do it this way and have never had any 
> problems getting things to play well together after initial turn-on. Unlikely 
> that I would want to change from something that works.
> 
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Transmit Audio Problems

2014-06-06 Thread Michael Eberle


Okay, I have gone through all the filters and adjusted them using a 
noise source and spectrogram.  The carrier showing up on PTT in USB or 
LSB has disappeared but I think this went away with installing the top 
cover.


I still have problems with the audio.  I set the dial frequency to 
14200.00 USB and transmit a 700Hz tone.  Monitoring the transmitted 
signal with my K3 and P3 this is what I see.  The expected spike at 
14200.70, another shorter spike at 14.201.40, and another small spike at 
14.202.10 -- exact multiples (harmonics) of the original 700Hz tone.  
These spikes show up on all bands but 20 is the only band I have 
actually used the P3 markers to measure.


What should I be checking for that could cause this?

Thanks,
Mike - KI0HA

On 6/3/2014 7:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Mike,

I can't say for certain, but yes, your carrier balance may not be 
optimized *and* your SSB OP1 filter settings may not be correct. 
Either or both could cause the condition you state.




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