Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Edward R Cole]

I guess a lot of us took the Commercial Radiotelephone License.

I got my Novice and Technician License by my mentor.  That was the 
General Class written exam back then.  Tried several times to pass my 
General CW test at the Detroit FCC office (we lived 70-miles away so 
not qualified for a Conditional).  By 1962 I was an EE student in 
college with no time for upgrading (or any ham radio).


In 1971 I was laid off from Hughes Aircraft along with thousands of 
other engineers so my job prospects were bleak.  I decided to take my 
2nd Class license to qualify for work for radio or TV broadcast.  The 
theory exam was twice as tough as the Extra in my opinion.


In 1982, I found a job working in marine electronics so pricked up 
the Radar Endorsement.  I also passed my Advanced in 1982 at the 
Anchorage FCC.  CW test had been downgraded to a multiple question 
exam about plain language text message vs the five mixed character 
groups back in Detroit.  Yeah those Detroit FCC guys could have 
passed as FBI guys.


In 1983 my 2nd class finally netted me a job as engineer for KYUK-TV 
in Bethel, AK (I flew out to into the bush to repair the TV 
translator network).


Wasn't until 2000 did I pass the Extra (downgraded to 13wpm).  Missed 
two questions on the written exam (because I knew more than the test 
designers and many of the answers were incorrect).


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Hisashi T Fujinaka]

I took my Tech and Advanced tests in Portland. I think I took the 13WPM
twice before I passed. I also failed my 2nd Class Radiotelephone license
(it was free and I didn't study enough and I failed by two questions). I
remember the main guy was George Wager, and there was a woman named
Sheryl who worked there who was exceptionally attractive. They were all
scary, but they were also all very nice.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020, Macy monkeys wrote:


I took my General at the FCC office downtown Portland in the late 60s. The 
examiner was a tough and gruff staffer named Francis McCann. IMHO, he was extra 
tough on 14 year olds, hi. You know my heart was racing when that series of V's 
came through those headphones!

John K7FD


On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:08 PM, John Simmons  wrote:

I took my Extra at the FCC in St Paul somewhere 1985-1987. It was about 6 
months before the FCC testing ended. I wanted to get it out of the way before 
the VE program started. Fear of the unknown, I guess. I worked as a VE early on 
in the program. I've seen some abuses, but overall I think it is a great change 
for us hams.

73,
-de John NI0K

Fred Jensen wrote on 4/29/2020 4:14 PM:

I'm pretty sure it was in the early 80's.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:
but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.


My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to early 
'80s.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Nr4c]

Will this “Mystery” ever be solved?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:25 PM, Phil Kane  wrote:
> 
> On 4/29/2020 4:46 PM, Jim H via Elecraft wrote:
> 
>> I did not like it when it was converted to General Radio Telephone and life 
>> time
> 
> You weren't alone.  I was one of the field supervisors whose opinion was
> being considered by the committee that dealt on how to do the
> transition, but the handwriting was on the wall.  Ditto for the amateur
> radio VE testing transition.
> 
> Blame me for suggesting the new name - it's the international name of
> that license but few of the members recognized that.
> 
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
> 
> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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[Elecraft] Elecraft Evening Net Report

[kevinr]

Good Evening,

   Conditions were not too good for the inaugural evening event. 
However, I was not skunked.


  On 7050.5 kHz at 0300z:

KL7CW - Rick - AK


He was much weaker than either of our last two contacts.  He was S9 on 
20 meters and S7 on 40 meters.  Tonight he was around 559 with QSB from 
3 to 6.  Not very much noise which is normally a bad sign.  Higher noise 
usually means I am hearing a broader area of the country.


But nothing ventured nothing gained.  I started opening the net around 
0255z and continued until 0309z.  I did not fail which is always a 
plus.  Next week I'll try again and maybe the sun will cooperate.  There 
were two old sunspots a few days back and new one forming today.  That 
gives me hope that the sun won't remain blank forever.


   Until next week stay well,

  Kevin.  KD5ONS

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Phil Kane]

On 4/29/2020 5:52 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:

> I took my General at the FCC office downtown Portland in the late
> 60s. The examiner was a tough and gruff staffer named Francis McCann.
> IMHO, he was extra tough on 14 year olds, hi. You know my heart was
> racing when that series of V's came through those headphones!

Frank McCann was one of the old timers when I joined the agency in 1967.
 By that time he was the Engineer in Charge of the Portland Office but
the EIC did a lot of the journeyman jobs in those smaller offices.  When
he retired in the late 1970s (or was it the early 1980s) I applied for
his job but they had to give it to someone else whose office was being
closed and I continued at the San Francisco Office until I retired in
1995.  I have no idea what happened to him after that.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Phil Kane]

On 4/29/2020 4:46 PM, Jim H via Elecraft wrote:

> I did not like it when it was converted to General Radio Telephone and life 
> time

You weren't alone.  I was one of the field supervisors whose opinion was
being considered by the committee that dealt on how to do the
transition, but the handwriting was on the wall.  Ditto for the amateur
radio VE testing transition.

Blame me for suggesting the new name - it's the international name of
that license but few of the members recognized that.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Brian Denley]

Test

Brian  KB1VBF

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Macy monkeys]

I took my General at the FCC office downtown Portland in the late 60s. The 
examiner was a tough and gruff staffer named Francis McCann. IMHO, he was extra 
tough on 14 year olds, hi. You know my heart was racing when that series of V's 
came through those headphones! 

John K7FD

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:08 PM, John Simmons  wrote:
> 
> I took my Extra at the FCC in St Paul somewhere 1985-1987. It was about 6 
> months before the FCC testing ended. I wanted to get it out of the way before 
> the VE program started. Fear of the unknown, I guess. I worked as a VE early 
> on in the program. I've seen some abuses, but overall I think it is a great 
> change for us hams.
> 
> 73,
> -de John NI0K
> 
> Fred Jensen wrote on 4/29/2020 4:14 PM:
>> I'm pretty sure it was in the early 80's.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>> 
>>> On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
 On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:
 but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.
>>> 
>>> My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to 
>>> early '80s.
>>> 
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[EricJ]

A google search brought up a number of websites with a history of ham 
licensing. They all say exactly what I said. From Wikipedia:


"In the 1950s and 1960s, Novice, Technician and Conditional exams were 
given by licensees acting as volunteer examiners."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_licensing_in_the_United_States

Volunteer examiners does not mean Volunteer Examiners (VE) as we've 
known them since 1984. VE organizations are officially recognized by the 
FCC. Before that, they were hams who volunteered to whoever asked to 
administer the test, sign it, and mail it to the FCC. They were not part 
of any officially recognized program as VE's are. They were just Joe Ham 
whose friend, acquaintance or stranger asked them to give them the test. 
The applicant sent away to the FCC for the test and gave it to Joe Ham 
in a sealed envelope. I did the deed many times at K2USA when I was 
stationed there in the 60's. I was just a guy with a General Class 
license who volunteered to give them a code test and proctor a written test.


Eric KE6US

ex-K1DCK, WA6YCF, WB2PVW


On 4/29/2020 2:14 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

I'm pretty sure it was in the early 80's.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:

but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.


My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s 
to early '80s.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Jim H via Elecraft]

Hi all,This brings back old memories. In 1962, I was in Vocational School in St 
Paul, MN studying Electronics. My instructors told me to get a 1st Phone w 
radar endorsement as it would make it easier to get a job. So I did at the FCC 
office in St Paul, and since then every job I had, required a 1st or 2nd class 
and some jobs a radar endorsement.I had to renewed it by getting 5 endorsements 
from officials in charge of the stations. I did not like it when it was 
converted to General Radio Telephone and life time.I got my ham license in 2011 
as I could not do CW. I tried but always failed.
73Jim HK7SSS
In a message dated 4/29/2020 4:10:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
jasimm...@pinewooddata.com writes:

I took my Extra at the FCC in St Paul somewhere 1985-1987. It was about 
6 months before the FCC testing ended. I wanted to get it out of the way 
before the VE program started. Fear of the unknown, I guess. I worked as 
a VE early on in the program. I've seen some abuses, but overall I think 
it is a great change for us hams.

73,
-de John NI0K
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[John Simmons]

I took my Extra at the FCC in St Paul somewhere 1985-1987. It was about 
6 months before the FCC testing ended. I wanted to get it out of the way 
before the VE program started. Fear of the unknown, I guess. I worked as 
a VE early on in the program. I've seen some abuses, but overall I think 
it is a great change for us hams.


73,
-de John NI0K

Fred Jensen wrote on 4/29/2020 4:14 PM:

I'm pretty sure it was in the early 80's.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:

but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.


My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s 
to early '80s.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Fred Jensen]

I'm pretty sure it was in the early 80's.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:

but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.


My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to 
early '80s.


73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] Evening Net Invitation notes, addenda, and errata

[kevinr]

Good Afternoon,

   I have received a few messages about activities on 40 meters at my 
chosen time and frequency.  CWT may push us up in frequency but I don't 
want to get too far into the digital portion of the band.  The old 
novice band may be better between 7100 and 7125 if the QRS folks don't 
mind.  I plan to start around 7050 kHz and see how it goes.  The CWT 
activity may not reach that high.


  As for procedures I will start with a preamble of some sort 
explaining what we're trying to do.  Then call CQ.  I'll handle the 
first round logging questions and comments.  Then I will pass net 
control to whomever volunteers (or the one I pick :)  NCS duties are not 
tough.  Just call CQ and take notes.  Work your group and choose the 
next victim :)  When that thins out pass control back to me and I'll 
list questions, answers, and comments.  One more call and then let the 
net go free.  I have never closed the Elecraft CW Net, I just let it go 
free. Occasionally contacts continue between the attendees.  WAS 
contacts happen too.  It just feels wrong to assume one can control 
activity.  It is hard enough to maintain control of a net :)


  Evening net starts at 8 PM PDT (0300z) on or near 7050 kHz unless 
forced to move into the 7100-7125 range.


  73,

 Kevin.  KD5ONS

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[Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-717-1197]

I took the commercial tests in '69. I seem to recall having to learn
the various oscillator circuits.
I was an ATN2 on night check in VA-125 in Lemoore, CA.
The night check AT shop Chief wanted to get his 2nd class
Radiotelephone so he could work
on aircraft electronics when he retired, so he had the whole night
check shop studying.
I'd been doing electronics and radio for a number of years, so I was
teaching everyone.
A bunch of us went up to Fresno for the exam and I was the first one
done.  I was also the only one
who got a 1st Radiotelephone, the rest got 3rd at best, even the Chief.
I managed to pick up a broadcast endorsement in SC after I got out,
and then many years later
when I started sailing on tall ships, I heard about GMDSS, so studied
that and added GMDSS Operator/Maintainer
with a Radar endorsement on top of the GROL that my 1st had turned
into.  It turns out, for international
compliance, the USCG required a STCW-approved course to add GMDSS to
my Merchant Mariners Credential,
so I had to do a 10-day course, with practical evaluations, and essay
questions! So I did that, arguing with the
instructor the whole time, simce I gave correct answers, but not what
he expected.  The other three people
in the course dropped out quickly- their company had sent them, but
they actually didn't need it on their MMC.
73, doug
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[Elecraft] KX3 internal battery charger normal behavior? (BT * )

[Mike Parkes]

I set a 12 hour charge cycle on some 2000mah Eneloops in the KX3.
After the charge cycle had completed the asterisk remained on when checking
voltage, showing BT*11.6V (using vfo B). Is that normal?
I checked Menu > Bat Charge, and it showed CHG OFF so the charging was
completed apparently but I wasn't sure about the ( * ) remaining on.
- Mike AB7RU
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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

It depends on the version and how it is configured.

On 4/29/20 8:20 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

Apparently Microsoft Outlook has none of the issues being described.

  


73

Lyn, W0LEN

  

  


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

  


=CUT
=

On 4/29/20 7:04 AM, kk4kfg wrote:

Respectfully I offer the following.

  


So yet again Microsoft and Windows 10 does something absolutely stupid

and against every known specification for a mail client and the offered

"solution" is for others to fix it or mask a solution.

=CUT
=

  


...and that is why I run Linux as my main OS!

  


73, and thanks,

Dave (NK7Z)

https://www.nk7z.net

ARRL Volunteer Examiner

ARRL Technical Specialist

ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Ah, sadly, no.  As much as I like to blame Microsoft, we have to start 
with RFC-1341 and Multipurpose Independent Mail Extensions.


Microsoft did not contribute to that RFC.

MIME allows more than one formatting option.  We had something called 
"Rich Text" but Netscape brought us HTML as a formatting option, and 
that made it possible to embed code that would load malware on your 
computer.


That's when List Servers got the ability to strip formatting -- it put a 
stop to people blaming the list for the poor security in their OS.


HTML is a poor choice, but it's also supported in just about every 
E-Mail client.


This is where we can blame Microsoft (some), but it's hard to render 
HTML and detect all the possible issues.


73 -- Lynn, WB6UUT

P.S. Thunderbird is much better, but this issue remains.

On 4/29/20 7:04 AM, kk4kfg wrote:

Respectfully I offer the following.

So yet again Microsoft and Windows 10 does something absolutely stupid
and against every known specification for a mail client and the offered
"solution" is for others to fix it or mask a solution.

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supplies and Voltage drop

[Phil Kane]

On 4/25/2020 8:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> Here is what I did to remedy the situation.    I obtained two 10-32 x 2"
> brass screws from the hardware store.  I got 4 nuts, 2 for each screw, 4
> flat washers, 2 for each screw and two wing nuts.   I then cut the head
> off of each screw and filed a flat spot about 1/2 " long and deep enough
> to removed the threads.

I fixed my brand-new Astron SS-50M a bit differently.  One set screw on
the connection block was seized up, so Astron sent me two new blocks
with instructions to open the case and replace them.  When I opened the
case I saw that the leads to the blocks had ring terminals held to the
blocks by a short screw.  I removed the existing blocks and replaced
them with 10-32 x 2" brass screws.  I used two short plates of ABS from
TAP Plastics to serve as insulated spacers (one inside the case and one
outside the case) and drilled the appropriate holes to permit the screws
to be held  through the case with appropriate nuts and washers.  The
leads to my power distribution board) are AWG 6 terminated in standard
electrical lugs held by massive set-screws and are fastened onto the
screws by appropriate nuts.  If I have to remove them I keep a Spintite
(nut driver) nearby.  Works great so far!

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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[Elecraft] Testing

[Bob DeHaney]

I was given my Conditional Test by W4MLE(SK) in 1960. He was also my Elmer and 
a great guy.

Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T

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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[John Kosko]

I’m running a one year old ASUS using Windows 10 and Hotmail/Outlook and Win10 
is NOT in Win7 mode.  I’m not aware of a problem, although I didn’t get any 
Elecraft emails yesterday…odd.
Regards, John K8TCT  K3S s/n 11718

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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[Elecraft] K3 - Using Mono Phone Jack Adapter in "Key" Port

[Brian Deuby]

I'm considering attempting modify the operation of my UR5CDX CT 755 
paddle so that it acts like a cootie. I understand that this can be done 
by using a mono phone jack adapter on the end of the CT 755 cable (which 
terminates with a stereo jack) and plugging it into the "Key" port on 
the K3.


I can't find anything in any of my K3 manuals that cautions against this 
- but I do have a vague recollection of seeing some caution of this 
nature somewhere.


Is there any reason I can't safely plug a mono adapter jack into the 
"Key" port on the K3?


Thanks,

Brian K8GRR

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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Phil Kane]

On 4/29/2020 7:04 AM, kk4kfg wrote:

> So yet again Microsoft and Windows 10 does something absolutely stupid
> and against every known specification for a mail client and the offered
> "solution" is for others to fix it or mask a solution.

I use Windows 10 on all my PCs and my wife's Microsoft Surface.  We just
don't use Mail.  To paraphrase an old cartoon - is it OK to wear jeans
in school?  Yes it's OK to wear jeans in school , but it it not OK to
wear jeans in THIS school".

I too have used Thunderbird for at least 20 years, after I switched from
PC-Mail and the IBM-OS/2 operating system to Windows NT.  My arm still
hurts from being twisted.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 192, Issue 42

[Martin]

Well, this list is not incompatible with Mail for Windows10, Mail for 
Windows10 is incompatible with most lists.



Am 29.04.20 um 18:16 schrieb elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net:

Unless the list is capable of being re-configured (possibly with the '
*convert_html_to_plaintext*  ' option?), I would urge some notice be given
to users that this list is incompatible with Mail for Windows 10, since
there does not appear to be any sort of error feedback other than that
provided by other users who let you know your message did not get through.


--

73, Martin DM4iM
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Roger D Johnson]

I was stationed with the Coast Guard in Kodiak, Alaska between Summer
1976 and Summer 1978. I flew up to Anchorage to take my Extra exam before
an examiner. Probably sometime in 1977.

73, Roger


On 4/29/2020 10:47 AM, Ted Roycraft wrote:

I took the test for Extra administered by an FCC examiner, David Popkin, in NYC
in 1964.  So there were still FCC examiners then. Funny that I still remember
David Popkin's name but I can't remember what I had for dinner last night.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On 4/29/2020 12:27 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:

but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.


My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to early
'80s.

73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] Evening Net Announcement & Invitation

[kevinr]

Good Morning,

I have been running the Elecraft CW Net since 2002.  It started on 20 
meters but requests from the West Coast had me start the 40 meter net a 
year later.  I have received numerous email messages and over the air 
requests for a mid week evening net.  I will finally get started on that 
this evening.


I could run the net as I normally do: call for check ins and then work 
them in order.  Then call CQ again and work the new list. All while 
using directed net rules.  Tonight I would like to try a round robin net 
so others will act as net control.  Think of it as a training exercise.  
I keep track of things using two sheets of paper, one for notes, the 
other for the final list.  While I could have been using computers to do 
all of the logging I purposely have kept computers out of my radio 
shack.  I am stuck in front of them during most of the week I would 
rather spend some time away from a screen while I am on the air.


But, I digress.  If you want to be part of the round robin effort simply 
keep track of who you worked.  I will try to keep track but if all goes 
well someone will be able to work outside of my listening area.  Send 
your results to me via the radio at the end of the net or email them to 
me directly.  I expect the first few attempts will be chaotic.  This is 
normal, it is part of the learning process.  ECN has changed over time, 
I expect this net will change as well.


I will start on or near 7047 kHz at 8 PM PDT or 0300z.  Then we see what 
happens.  This is only an experiment, if it works out that would be 
fantastic if it doesn't that's OK too.  Forty meters may not work 
tonight or people may be busy with something else or there are other 
nets active taking up the space.  I just want to see if all those people 
who asked me to do this will be on the air and active.  If this time and 
technique works out the new net should be self supporting allowing new 
folks to join in at any time with everyone doing part of the work.  I 
will start the nets and create the reports until someone else volunteers 
to take over.


Please join the Elecraft Evening Net on or near 7047 kHz at 8 PM PDT or 
0300z.


If users of other modes (other than CW that is) want to participate 
please feel free to start calling at 8 PM (0300z) on your mode's 
favorite frequency.  Then send your net report to me so I can collate it 
with the others.  Cross mode contacts would be fun once we get this 
running well.


Until this evening 73,

    Kevin.  KD5ONS

-

This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be rememberèd—
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.





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[Elecraft] KX3 Firmware

[Ray Soifer via Elecraft]

Dear Elecraft,
I'm sure you're getting lots of requests for FT8 but I have a simpler request.
Would it be possible to add 75 baud RTTY to the KX3 firmware?

BARTG and other RTTY groups are increasingly using it.
73 Ray W2RS
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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Jim Brown]

On 4/29/2020 5:31 AM, Chuck Chandler wrote:

Unless the list is capable of being re-configured (possibly with the '
*convert_html_to_plaintext*  ' option?), I would urge some notice be given
to users that this list is incompatible with Mail for Windows 10,


This reflector has been happily operating for 20 years with plain text. 
I subscribe to about 30 lists, half of which operate with plain text. I 
suggest that users get with THAT program, rather than suggest that these 
lists are wrong.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Dave Fugleberg]

Yep, that was the textbook for the Communications class I had in
electronics school in 1983. One of the requirements to pass the class was
to pass the General Radiotelephone exam. The FCC Examiner came over from
the St Paul field office to the technical school to administer the exam to
the class.
Shortly after that, I went to the field office and passed the General and
Advanced  amateur exams...most of the technical portions were nearly
identical to the General Radiotelephone.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:35 AM Gerry Villhauer  wrote:

> The text book of choice for the commercial license test was: Electronic
> Communications by Shrader. I have a copy, 2nd addition. I used it for
> passing my 2nd and 1st class commercial test...Now the General Radio
> Telecommunication License.
> Gerry, W0GV
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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[EricJ]

Another benefit is not getting a screen full of inane animated emojis  
from friends and relatives when html is eliminated.


Thunderbird logs in, sorts and processes email from three accounts for 
me. It puts elecraft email in one folder after stripping out any emails 
with product names from K3 on (hi). I only have a K1 and two K2s. It 
doesn't strip off-topic emails which are often the most interesting part 
of all the email reflectors I belong to. Other groups are also sorted to 
their respective folders and junk/spam/trash goes to a separate one.


Eric KE6US

On 4/29/2020 6:47 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote:

On 2020-04-29 9:30 a.m., KT5TE wrote:
I've used Kontact for decades and have all the HTML formatting turned 
off.


I have used Thunderbird for longer than I can remember. I have it set 
to use text only, even for incoming messages. I get to choose if I 
want to see HTML formatted messages. The other benefit is a reduction 
in my being tracked when reading (spam) emails.



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[EricJ]

Poor choice of words on my part, Jim. "Volunteer hams" were NOT VE's . 
They weren't recognized by or known to the FCC other than as ham 
licensees. A prospective ham would find a local ham to volunteer to 
administer the exam and sign some forms. I don't think it could be a 
relative, but other than that it could be any General class ham off the 
street. That action was taken in 1955. I took my Novice exam in 1957 
with some random PFC ham my dad found in his Army unit. He might have 
been his radio operator, but he was a General Class ham from civilian 
life. I have no doubt many Novices were tested by their elmers in those 
days.


What you're probably remembering is the institution of VE's in 1982. 
While not employees of the FCC, of course, they are officially 
recognized examiners by the FCC. Also remember, I'm only talking about 
the Novice and Conditional exams. General class hams were still tested 
by the FCC. For much of that period there were no Advanced or Extra 
licenses issued at all, but until the VE program, they also were tested 
by the FCC.


Eric KE6US


On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:

but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.


My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to 
early '80s.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Lyn Norstad]

Apparently Microsoft Outlook has none of the issues being described. 

 

73

Lyn, W0LEN

 

 

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:46 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

 

=CUT
=

On 4/29/20 7:04 AM, kk4kfg wrote:

Respectfully I offer the following.

 

So yet again Microsoft and Windows 10 does something absolutely stupid 

and against every known specification for a mail client and the offered 

"solution" is for others to fix it or mask a solution.

=CUT
=

 

...and that is why I run Linux as my main OS!

 

73, and thanks,

Dave (NK7Z)

https://www.nk7z.net

ARRL Volunteer Examiner

ARRL Technical Specialist

ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Ted Roycraft]

I took the test for Extra administered by an FCC examiner, David Popkin, 
in NYC in 1964.  So there were still FCC examiners then. Funny that I 
still remember David Popkin's name but I can't remember what I had for 
dinner last night.


73, Ted, W2ZK

On 4/29/2020 12:27 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:

but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.


My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to 
early '80s.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Dave Cole]

=CUT=
On 4/29/20 7:04 AM, kk4kfg wrote:
Respectfully I offer the following.

So yet again Microsoft and Windows 10 does something absolutely stupid 
and against every known specification for a mail client and the offered 
"solution" is for others to fix it or mask a solution.

=CUT=

...and that is why I run Linux as my main OS!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[kk4kfg]

Respectfully I offer the following.

So yet again Microsoft and Windows 10 does something absolutely stupid
and against every known specification for a mail client and the offered
"solution" is for others to fix it or mask a solution.

One of the reasons why Elecraft is a leader in radio innovation. They
understand the insanity of software companies and make sure you do not
need a computer to run their radio.

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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2020-04-29 9:30 a.m., KT5TE wrote:

I've used Kontact for decades and have all the HTML formatting turned off.


I have used Thunderbird for longer than I can remember. I have it set to use 
text only, even for incoming messages. I get to choose if I want to see HTML 
formatted messages. The other benefit is a reduction in my being tracked 
when reading (spam) emails.


--
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/   | "Nerds make the shiny things that
https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
| that's why we're powerful"
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172  |
#include  | --Chris Hardwick
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[Elecraft] Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[Gerry Villhauer]

The text book of choice for the commercial license test was: Electronic 
Communications by Shrader. I have a copy, 2nd addition. I used it for passing 
my 2nd and 1st class commercial test...Now the General Radio Telecommunication 
License.
Gerry, W0GV
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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[KT5TE]

What is all this Windows 10 stuff?  ;-)

I've used Kontact for decades and have all the HTML formatting turned off.   

Does Win10 Mail have a setting to use "text" only?
-- 
73, William KT5TE

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:05:40 PM CDT Fred Jensen wrote:
> Inspecting the headers and msg body, your reply contains text
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> On 4/28/2020 6:46 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> > I am not using Windows 10, but am posting this in HTML as a test.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 73
> > 
> > Lyn, W0LEN
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W2xj Sent:
> > Tuesday, April 28, 2020 7:40 PM
> > To: Chuck Chandler
> > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > the vast majority of list servers strip HTML.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Chuck Chandler 
> >> wrote:
> >> After reviewing several of my recent emails that came to the list as
> >> blank
> >> emails, and seeing a few of those every few days on this list from
> >> others,
> >> I am beginning to think the listserv here is configured to reject HTML
> >> Mail.  The shack computer has Mail for Windows 10 on it, and that was
> >> used
> >> for a few emails recently.  I also used my phone, and another
> >> computer where I was using the G-Mail web interface.  But, the shack PC
> >> and
> >> it's Mail for Windows 10 seems to be the one that delivered empty or
> >> blank
> >> emails to the list.
> >> Can an administrator of the list (or someone knowledgeable about the
> >> reflector) advise if this list rejects HTML Mail?  That appears to be the
> >> only format used by Mail for Windows 10.
> >> Alternatively, has anyone had success using Mail for Windows 10 for
> >> posting
> >> to this list?  M4W10 settings don't show any send format controls, and a
> >> web search showed nothing but a series of complaints about the lack of
> >> plain text sending from 3 years back.
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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Chuck Chandler]

Most email clients send both an html and a plain text component.  Some
lists strip the HTML and only display the plain text. Others can accept
HTML without a problem, for example Groups.io lists.  Using Mail for
Windows 10 with them works fine.

>From my limited research it seems Mail for Windows 10 only sends an HTML
component.  The Elecraft list software then appears to accept the email and
post the header, but not display any content.  Whether or not it then
generates an error message to the list owners I don't know.  It certainly
doesn't provide any 'bounce' notice to the sender.  Caveat: I have no
access to the list mechanisms, just a passing familiarity with having run a
few listservs at work.

Unless the list is capable of being re-configured (possibly with the '
*convert_html_to_plaintext* ' option?), I would urge some notice be given
to users that this list is incompatible with Mail for Windows 10, since
there does not appear to be any sort of error feedback other than that
provided by other users who let you know your message did not get through.
Doing so might also reduce the amount of "test" and empty-content messages
on the list.  Since Mail for Windows 10 is the default mail client for any
PC running Windows 10, the issue is unlikely to go away on it's own.

73 de Chuck, WS1L

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:56 AM N4ZR  wrote:

> I, too, use Thunderbird with Windows 10.  I have HTML selected in my
> Composition and Addressing options, yet my messages come through fine.
> I do have unicode selected as my Encoding and auto-detect selected for
> Delivery Format, which may have something (or everything) to do with it.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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> On 4/29/2020 12:34 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > On 4/28/2020 5:10 PM, Chuck Chandler wrote:
> >> I am beginning to think the listserv here is configured to reject HTML
> >> Mail.
> >
> > More correctly, it rejects formatted text. When you see blank emails
> > with no content, that's why. I've posted to that effect several times
> > in the last week.
> >
> > I've used a full-featured program called Thunderbird for decades -- it
> > can do formatted or un-formatted text. It's also VERY versatile in its
> > ability to create mailboxes and sort based on key words (like the
> > [Elecraft] in a message header, and it can handle multiple email
> > addresses. It's published by Mozilla, who does Firefox. And it's free.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[N4ZR]

I, too, use Thunderbird with Windows 10.  I have HTML selected in my 
Composition and Addressing options, yet my messages come through fine.  
I do have unicode selected as my Encoding and auto-detect selected for 
Delivery Format, which may have something (or everything) to do with it.


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On 4/29/2020 12:34 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 4/28/2020 5:10 PM, Chuck Chandler wrote:

I am beginning to think the listserv here is configured to reject HTML
Mail.


More correctly, it rejects formatted text. When you see blank emails 
with no content, that's why. I've posted to that effect several times 
in the last week.


I've used a full-featured program called Thunderbird for decades -- it 
can do formatted or un-formatted text. It's also VERY versatile in its 
ability to create mailboxes and sort based on key words (like the 
[Elecraft] in a message header, and it can handle multiple email 
addresses. It's published by Mozilla, who does Firefox. And it's free.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery

[N4ZR]

Yes, that's right.  I took the Novice exam in May 1954 and the General 
exam in May and June, 1955. both at the FCC in Detroit - flunked the 
code first time around.  Does anyone remember K8DX, long-time head of 
the Detroit office of the FCC and a truly formidable figure (especially 
if you're 14).  Like other FCC figures mentioned here, I understand he 
was a good guy, but after all, I was 14!


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On 4/29/2020 12:27 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:

but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.


My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to 
early '80s.


73, Jim K9YC

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