Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Lets close this thread now in the interest of relieving list reader overload. Eric Moderator etc. elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 6S > On Jun 4, 2017, at 4:35 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote: > > Not at all. Slightly large than a K3 perhaps. And requiring several separated > LCD panels instead of the "one big display" design. > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > >> On 06/01/17 10:39, Nr4c wrote: >> And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV. >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote: >>> >>> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two >>> rules: >>> >>> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge >>> screen".) >>> >>> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, >>> dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent >>> to a screen area where its state is displayed. >>> >>> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and >>> having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the >>> state of that control is. >>> >>> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig >>> to operate. >>> >>> 73, >>> Drew >>> AF2Z >>> >>> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote: I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) - Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pu...@af2z.net >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swa...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Not at all. Slightly large than a K3 perhaps. And requiring several separated LCD panels instead of the "one big display" design. 73, Drew AF2Z On 06/01/17 10:39, Nr4c wrote: And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote: I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two rules: 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge screen".) 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed. IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that control is. I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to operate. 73, Drew AF2Z On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote: I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) - Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pu...@af2z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote: > > I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two > rules: > > 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge > screen".) > > 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, > dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent > to a screen area where its state is displayed. > > IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having > to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of > that control is. > > I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig > to operate. > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > >> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote: >> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, >> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be >> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) >> - >> Chuck, KE9UW >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pu...@af2z.net > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two rules: 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge screen".) 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed. IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that control is. I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to operate. 73, Drew AF2Z On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote: I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) - Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pu...@af2z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 display is dated.
My sentiments exactly. Everything I need to see and all the controls I need for day to day operation is on the K3/K3S front panel and easy to find/use. This concern with appearances strongly reminds me of consumer audio and video products, which have small white lettering on a black chassis that's so hard to read that you need to look up close with a flashlight! My last HF rigs were a pair of used FT1000MPs. Took up WAY too much space on my desktop, cluttered display, much less intuitive, difficult/poorly documented menu structure, much more confusing, than the K3 that replaced them. Because I use my much more compact KX3 only occasionally for portable operations, I do find myself looking for controls. But they're labeled, so I eventually find them. :) I don't buy stuff to impress my friends. I buy it to use it! 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,5/30/2017 6:08 PM, William Levy wrote: I don't care about the display. I care about how the radio works. How it hears and how it talks. How it works in contest or expedition environments. If display is that important you buy a FLEX and it's as big as can be. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
I am colorblind... as in monochrome. The color waterfall on the P3 is
barely usable for me. The monochrome option is perfect. I've used an
IC-7600 and a PRO3 on county expeditions for the Cal QSOwhich
[apparently] are quite colorful. It's a real strain for me. K3 is just
fine the way it is. My Heath MM-1 is certainly "dated." It works just fine.
73,
Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn
On 5/30/2017 4:19 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
Whenever this thread comes up-- and it has several times before-- I usually
point toward the displays on the most advanced commercial aircraft in the skies
for comparison. In this context, a pilot needs to know a few (or several)
critical pieces of information instantly, and easily, and can't be captivated
by eye candy. If your shiny new Kensucom's display looked like this, you
probably wouldn't buy it:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/news/new-flight-deck-displays.page
(watch closely at the 0:43 mark)
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Just for the record, when I refer to a possible dot matrix display for a radio, I envision something with the resolution of an iPad, i.e. you can't see the dots, and it can be made to look exactly like the current display. 73, Erik -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:22 PM To: Nr4c Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated... Looks like there is a winner somewhere. The Image is changing. Look at the display in the KPA1500. A preview of something to match? 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 5/31/2017 12:03 AM, Nr4c wrote: > I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like this. The amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on the K3, KX2, KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle! One you can win. > > Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line. > > Sent from my iPhone > ..nr4c. bill > > >> On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian wrote: >> >> Don, >> >> Agree. However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in concrete. >> >> Things like a flashing decimal point. What the heck does that mean? >> There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit from some more obvious icon. >> >> It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3 data mode is being used. >> >> The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with no computer. Logging programs generally solve the above problems. >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> >> >> >>> On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works >>> every time. >>> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not >>> convey relevant information, or that information is buried in the >>> 'glitz' and not easily recognized at a glance. >>> >>> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate >>> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance. Other >>> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on. Everything >>> needed is there. >>> >>> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet. >>> I have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest. >>> >>> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus >>> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example). >>> That uncertainty is not something I need in a radio. >>> >>> 73, __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ebasil...@cox.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Looks like there is a winner somewhere. The Image is changing. Look at the display in the KPA1500. A preview of something to match? 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 5/31/2017 12:03 AM, Nr4c wrote: I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like this. The amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on the K3, KX2, KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle! One you can win. Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line. Sent from my iPhone ..nr4c. bill On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian wrote: Don, Agree. However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in concrete. Things like a flashing decimal point. What the heck does that mean? There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit from some more obvious icon. It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3 data mode is being used. The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with no computer. Logging programs generally solve the above problems. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works every time. While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and not easily recognized at a glance. The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance. Other functions are indicated to tell you what is going on. Everything needed is there. I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet. I have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest. Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example). That uncertainty is not something I need in a radio. 73, __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
ul in helping the eye find and return to specific items. However the implementer would have to be very careful, as many people are to some degree color blind, and the worst case is where a display item would look too dim to an affected individual. I believe my vision is normal, but many times I run across a web page using a lot of deep blue text that seems so dark as to be almost unreadable. I would not be surprised if some buyers of currently available radios with colorful displays find some particular colors annoying. Maybe color is one case where configurability would make sense: Use knob to move through all display fields, and for the currently highlighted field let the user rotate through a number of possible color selections. 73, Erik K7TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Cook Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:10 PM To: lromer...@tampabay.rr.com Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated... Good to see this functionality being added to N1MM, with luck some of the SDR developers will pick this up and it can be implemented externally to the K-line. To be honest for situational awareness during a contest having a 24" monitor with 2.5M or more pixels (or larger) above the desk fed with an SDR that's sitting in the RX Loop of the K3 monitoring the entire HF band (>300kHz) gives you both the resolution bandwidth AND video bandwidth necessary to process this information. I've seen a similar concept in one of the Mac based loggers (MacLoggerDX?) where spots are placed across a pseudo frequency dial, it doesn't take long on a low res screen for it to become unreadable and unusable. The additional info from N1MM on top of a waterfall display will make this all the better for search and pounce contest operation. This feature is one of the situations where size does matter. 73 Matthew VK5ZM On 31 May 2017 at 11:28, Luis V. Romero wrote: > I completely agree with Ken K6MR! > > I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO > knobs, but frankly, out of habit. > > 90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh, > yes, I'm one of those "Durn Contesters!"). > > But there are very interesting things on the horizon. > > I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest > Suite Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room. > He showed me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap". It's > a bandmap window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300 > spectrum display and the spotting network data and displays it, > dynamically, right on the logger screen. It integrates spots, signal > strength and labels the pips with the callsign from spot data. > > I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature > next week (I have a repeater to install this week ). > > This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have > the VGA option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3 > knob. Drop Marker A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station. > Repeat. But don't do it as much as I want to as it takes my hands off > the keyboard. > > I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger > screen, under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down > Arrow. I'm not much of a mouser.). Tom has implemented the > functionality EXACTLY as I envisioned it. But it currently works only > on an Icom 7300 and, in the future, other similar Icom transceivers. > (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do > this: > No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow > are not up to the challenge. yet.) > > I am aware that details towards the implementation of this > functionality has been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has > developed an "API" that defines how to format serial data to create a > similar display from any modern Panadaptor display equipped > transceiver with serial or "faux" serial over USB communications > capability. > > I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like > this kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and > see how it may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency. > > I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product > Managers to start down the road of implementing this functionality > before Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's > performance capability. > > 73 > > Lu Romero - W4LT > Tampa, FL > >
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated. . .
I agree with this assessment. I like the Elecraft solution. The K3 screen gives you clearly and simply what you need to know at a glance. No fuss and always there for you. You want a screen with a lot of other information including a band scope, put it in a separate box. That leaves you free to innovate and add features as you want without tampering with the main information screen on the K3. Most importantly make it reliable and make it work practically without the need to add a computer to the mix. From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Ewing Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:51 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated. . . With all due respect, I think the K3/P3 is a classic design, including the man-machine interface. Not a square nanometer of wasted real estate, everything is where I need it the most and when I need it quickly. Graphics, interactivity, not too much, not too little, just the right touch. It is quite clear that a great deal of thought and iteration went into laying it out. In that sense, it's like my Collins S-Line, another obviously well thought-out intuitive classic design that is a delight to operate. So bedecking either of these with a multicolor touch screen is not something that appeals to me personally. Jim Ewing N4TMM On May 30, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Thom <mailto:k...@ki8w.com%3e> wrote: > > I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. > > 73 > > Thom KI8W __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gthorn...@thorntonmostullaw.com<mailto:gthorn...@thorntonmostullaw.com> __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like this. The amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on the K3, KX2, KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle! One you can win. Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian wrote: > > Don, > > Agree. However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions that > were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in concrete. > > Things like a flashing decimal point. What the heck does that mean? > There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit > from some more obvious icon. > > It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3 > data mode is being used. > > The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with no > computer. Logging programs generally solve the above problems. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > >> On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works >> every time. >> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey >> relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and >> not easily recognized at a glance. >> >> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate >> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance. Other >> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on. Everything needed >> is there. >> >> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet. I >> have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest. >> >> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus >> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example). That >> uncertainty is not something I need in a radio. >> >> 73, __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Good to see this functionality being added to N1MM, with luck some of the SDR developers will pick this up and it can be implemented externally to the K-line. To be honest for situational awareness during a contest having a 24" monitor with 2.5M or more pixels (or larger) above the desk fed with an SDR that's sitting in the RX Loop of the K3 monitoring the entire HF band (>300kHz) gives you both the resolution bandwidth AND video bandwidth necessary to process this information. I've seen a similar concept in one of the Mac based loggers (MacLoggerDX?) where spots are placed across a pseudo frequency dial, it doesn't take long on a low res screen for it to become unreadable and unusable. The additional info from N1MM on top of a waterfall display will make this all the better for search and pounce contest operation. This feature is one of the situations where size does matter. 73 Matthew VK5ZM On 31 May 2017 at 11:28, Luis V. Romero wrote: > I completely agree with Ken K6MR! > > I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO knobs, > but frankly, out of habit. > > 90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh, yes, > I'm > one of those "Durn Contesters!"). > > But there are very interesting things on the horizon. > > I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest Suite > Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room. He showed > me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap". It's a bandmap > window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300 spectrum display > and the spotting network data and displays it, dynamically, right on the > logger screen. It integrates spots, signal strength and labels the pips > with the callsign from spot data. > > I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature next > week (I have a repeater to install this week ). > > This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have the > VGA > option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3 knob. Drop > Marker > A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station. Repeat. But don't do it as > much as I want to as it takes my hands off the keyboard. > > I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger > screen, > under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down Arrow. I'm > not much of a mouser.). Tom has implemented the functionality EXACTLY as I > envisioned it. But it currently works only on an Icom 7300 and, in the > future, other similar Icom transceivers. (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do > this: > No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow are > not > up to the challenge. yet.) > > I am aware that details towards the implementation of this functionality > has > been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has developed an "API" that > defines how to format serial data to create a similar display from any > modern Panadaptor display equipped transceiver with serial or "faux" serial > over USB communications capability. > > I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like this > kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and see how > it > may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency. > > I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product > Managers > to start down the road of implementing this functionality before > Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's performance > capability. > > 73 > > Lu Romero - W4LT > Tampa, FL > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk...@bistre.net > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
I completely agree with Ken K6MR! I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO knobs, but frankly, out of habit. 90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh, yes, I'm one of those "Durn Contesters!"). But there are very interesting things on the horizon. I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest Suite Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room. He showed me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap". It's a bandmap window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300 spectrum display and the spotting network data and displays it, dynamically, right on the logger screen. It integrates spots, signal strength and labels the pips with the callsign from spot data. I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature next week (I have a repeater to install this week ). This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have the VGA option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3 knob. Drop Marker A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station. Repeat. But don't do it as much as I want to as it takes my hands off the keyboard. I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger screen, under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down Arrow. I'm not much of a mouser.). Tom has implemented the functionality EXACTLY as I envisioned it. But it currently works only on an Icom 7300 and, in the future, other similar Icom transceivers. (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do this: No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow are not up to the challenge. yet.) I am aware that details towards the implementation of this functionality has been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has developed an "API" that defines how to format serial data to create a similar display from any modern Panadaptor display equipped transceiver with serial or "faux" serial over USB communications capability. I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like this kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and see how it may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency. I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product Managers to start down the road of implementing this functionality before Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's performance capability. 73 Lu Romero - W4LT Tampa, FL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated. . .
With all due respect, I think the K3/P3 is a classic design, including the man-machine interface. Not a square nanometer of wasted real estate, everything is where I need it the most and when I need it quickly. Graphics, interactivity, not too much, not too little, just the right touch. It is quite clear that a great deal of thought and iteration went into laying it out. In that sense, it's like my Collins S-Line, another obviously well thought-out intuitive classic design that is a delight to operate. So bedecking either of these with a multicolor touch screen is not something that appeals to me personally. Jim Ewing N4TMM On May 30, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Thom wrote: > > I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. > > 73 > > Thom KI8W __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 display is dated.
Gents, I don't care about the display. I care about how the radio works. How it hears and how it talks. How it works in contest or expedition environments. If display is that important you buy a FLEX and it's as big as can be. Bill N2WL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Don, Agree. However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in concrete. Things like a flashing decimal point. What the heck does that mean? There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit from some more obvious icon. It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3 data mode is being used. The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with no computer. Logging programs generally solve the above problems. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works every time. While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and not easily recognized at a glance. The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance. Other functions are indicated to tell you what is going on. Everything needed is there. I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet. I have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest. Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example). That uncertainty is not something I need in a radio. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/30/2017 8:08 PM, Roger Meadows wrote: When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control stations displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they got, the more cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole started noting that more accidents were happening and missed alarms. They, because the displays were to cutsie. What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very plain graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the clutter. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to als...@comcast.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Kent, While that is a good feature for autos, it does take some time and trouble to set up as the user desires. I did recently purchase an upper-end car and after over a month I have not done too much display customization. The simple things are the most important to me. Other stuff is just a bit of glitz along with resulting clutter of the displays. Sometimes too much information for the task at hand is a distraction. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/30/2017 8:24 PM, K9ZTV wrote: One compromise, undoubtedly costly, would be a customisable display like upper-end cars are now wearing. Users could place whatever indicators they wanted, wherever they wanted, in whatever combination they wanted. But I like the Elecraft displays just as they are, for all the reasons others have enumerated, especially the commonality among the various rigs. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Keep it simple? Like a crystal radio? On my KX3 I want a full heads-up display. It should have virtual reality goggles tied to Google Earth so I can fly to your neighborhood, check out your antenna farm and make recommendations for improvements. I want to visualize the path my radio waves take to get to the DX I want and be able to tweak the ionosphere for maximum S/N at the distant end. Ideally I should have control of the DX station's rotator. Every time I make contact with someone I want to see a 3D starfield fly by to give me the impression of actually going somewhere. And I want it all done in fluorescent orange and black. Actually, it's kind of nice to get a refresh every so often. The thing is, if there were some sort of front panel updates it really wouldn't affect all those who currently have a radio, right? Not like our radio is going to morph over night or anything. 73, Kev K4VD On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works every > time. > While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey > relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and not > easily recognized at a glance. > > The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate display > with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance. Other functions are > indicated to tell you what is going on. Everything needed is there. > > I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet. I have > to hunt around the display to find the item of interest. > > Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus touches > produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example). That uncertainty > is not something I need in a radio. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 5/30/2017 8:08 PM, Roger Meadows wrote: >> >> When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control >> stations displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they got, >> the more cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole started noting >> that more accidents were happening and missed alarms. They, because the >> displays were to cutsie. >> >> What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very >> plain graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the clutter. > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ke...@k4vd.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Not costly at all. You likely already have it on your desk. Build whatever fancy screen you want and drive the radio through the control port. Make it touch screen if you like. Big, small, color, whatever you want. The power of software. I remember one of the first SDR radio boards had an interface that let you move the controls around on the screen. Pretty much build any front panel layout you wanted. Ken K6MR From: K9ZTV<mailto:k9...@socket.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:25 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated... One compromise, undoubtedly costly, would be a customisable display like upper-end cars are now wearing. Users could place whatever indicators they wanted, wherever they wanted, in whatever combination they wanted. But I like the Elecraft displays just as they are, for all the reasons others have enumerated, especially the commonality among the various rigs. Kent K9ZTV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@outlook.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works every time. While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and not easily recognized at a glance. The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance. Other functions are indicated to tell you what is going on. Everything needed is there. I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet. I have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest. Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example). That uncertainty is not something I need in a radio. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/30/2017 8:08 PM, Roger Meadows wrote: When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control stations displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they got, the more cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole started noting that more accidents were happening and missed alarms. They, because the displays were to cutsie. What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very plain graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the clutter. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
One compromise, undoubtedly costly, would be a customisable display like upper-end cars are now wearing. Users could place whatever indicators they wanted, wherever they wanted, in whatever combination they wanted. But I like the Elecraft displays just as they are, for all the reasons others have enumerated, especially the commonality among the various rigs. Kent K9ZTV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control stations displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they got, the more cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole started noting that more accidents were happening and missed alarms. They, because the displays were to cutsie. What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very plain graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the clutter. Thats how I see the displays on the new rigs, cluttered. I like the KX3 display because it is strait to the point. The other great thing is I can go from a KX3 to a KX3 to a K3(s) and know exactly where to find what I’m looking for on the display. I’d personally keep it the way it is and use the P3/PX3 for the additional information. Roger AE4RM On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR mailto:k...@outlook.com>> wrote: And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays): Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I need it. Same for the P3. Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss. Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep. And please: no touch screens. The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy fingerprints all over the display. And I need my hands to stay on the keyboard(s). Minimal motion and all that stuff. And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a video game. And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^) Ken K6MR From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net><mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated... Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300. The touch color display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure. The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison. But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle it. My two-bits on the matter. 73, phil, K7PEH On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom mailto:k...@ki8w.com>> wrote: I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. 73 Thom KI8W On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote: I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) - Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com<http://Nabble.com>. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@ki8w.com<mailto:k...@ki8w.com> __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com<mailto:phys...@mac.com> __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@outlook.com<mailto:k...@outlook.com> __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net<http://www.qsl.net/> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to romeado...@outlook.com<mailto:romeado...@outlook.com> _
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I have low vision. The absolute worst thing you could do is to change the K3S display. I need high contrast either a black background and light text or a light background and dark text. The K3S's background is light yellow and it has black text. Color displays sure are pretty but normal size text and characters wash out. I have special software on this computer that magnifies the screen so I can read it. I also run a high contrast theme. On 5/30/2017 5:44 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after all. Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ... -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: bu...@brannan.name On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays): Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I need it. Same for the P3. Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss. Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep. And please: no touch screens. The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy fingerprints all over the display. And I need my hands to stay on the keyboard(s). Minimal motion and all that stuff. And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a video game. And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^) Ken K6MR From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated... Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300. The touch color display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure. The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison. But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle it. My two-bits on the matter. 73, phil, K7PEH On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom wrote: I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. 73 Thom KI8W On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote: I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) - Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@ki8w.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@outlook.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bu...@brannan.name __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ksto...@ac0h.net -- R. Kevin StoverAC0H FI
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Whenever this thread comes up-- and it has several times before-- I usually point toward the displays on the most advanced commercial aircraft in the skies for comparison. In this context, a pilot needs to know a few (or several) critical pieces of information instantly, and easily, and can't be captivated by eye candy. If your shiny new Kensucom's display looked like this, you probably wouldn't buy it: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/news/new-flight-deck-displays.page (watch closely at the 0:43 mark) A serious ham operator in a DXpedition or major contest effort may have more than a few things in common with a pilot processing all the inputs coming at him from many sources. Perhaps we should be asking, "When will Icom de-clutter it's display to be more like the K3's?" As for touch screens, a few minutes ago my iPhone wouldn't respond to my finger, no matter what I did, and I was locked out. No thanks... I don't want my pilot (or my 160 meter contest) defeated by a little bit of perspiration or dryness at a crucial moment. Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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My K3 has a new fresh color display... I use a computer and a Genovation pad to control it... :) 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 05/30/2017 02:36 PM, ke9uw wrote: I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) - Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, and personally I like the existing K3/K3s display and its reduced power consumption, and fewer worries about RFI. The K3 is very power efficient, and that would be lost with a larger color display. The K3 is MUCH smaller/lighter than other big desk radios, something else I like very much, which is part of its appeal for so many DXpeditions. Those big screen color radios simply don't show up in those environments. It isn't my company, but I hope Elecraft keeps spending their engineering resources on functionality rather than bling. 73, Bob, WB4SON On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after > all. Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ... > > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: 814-860-3194 > Mobile: 814-431-0962 > Email: bu...@brannan.name > > > > > > On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > > > > And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays): > > Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t > need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to > read when I need it. Same for the P3. Give me what I need with a minimum > of fuss. Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep. > > And please: no touch screens. The last thing I need is a bunch of > greasy fingerprints all over the display. And I need my hands to stay on > the keyboard(s). Minimal motion and all that stuff. > > And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, > not a video game. > > And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^) > > > > Ken K6MR > > > > From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM > > To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com> > > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated... > > > > Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300. The touch color > display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think > the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal > measure. The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo > of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) > makes this a dubious comparison. > > > > But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 > display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive > the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an > interface to handle it. > > > > My two-bits on the matter. > > > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > > > >> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom wrote: > >> > >> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this > looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of > it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. > >> > >> 73 > >> > >> Thom KI8W > >> > >> > >> > >> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote: > >>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated > display, > >>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be > >>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> - > >>> Chuck, KE9UW > >>> -- > >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html > >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >>> __ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to k...@ki8w.com > >> > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.h
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Buddy: Interesting thought. Could I operate without sight? Not likely. Especially considering my extremely lousy typing skills. But except for double checking what I typed, 90% of operating is hearing (RTTY excepted, of course). I find the less I share my brain power between visual/audio info the better. I don’t do assisted (no distracting band map) and my favorite contests are Sprints. Just pure radio with a little technology to record the results. Getting a bit OT here so I better quit before Eric finds out…. Ken K6MR From: Buddy Brannan<mailto:bu...@brannan.name> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:44 PM To: Ken K6MR<mailto:k...@outlook.com> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated... Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after all. Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ... -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: bu...@brannan.name > On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > > And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays): > Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t need/want > fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I > need it. Same for the P3. Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss. Also > easy to focus on after many hours without sleep. > And please: no touch screens. The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy > fingerprints all over the display. And I need my hands to stay on the > keyboard(s). Minimal motion and all that stuff. > And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a > video game. > And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^) > > Ken K6MR > > From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM > To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com> > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated... > > Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300. The touch color display of > the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a > little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure. The > information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and > P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a > dubious comparison. > > But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display > however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 > display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface > to handle it. > > My two-bits on the matter. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom wrote: >> >> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks >> like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it >> maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. >> >> 73 >> >> Thom KI8W >> >> >> >> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote: >>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, >>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be >>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Chuck, KE9UW >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k...@ki8w.com >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phys...@mac.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/
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Remember that the K3 was designed almost 10 years ago to include being a nifty QRP/DXpedition rig. I'm guessing the monochrome display saves some current over a full-color display. 73, Scott N9AA On 5/30/17 5:36 PM, ke9uw wrote: I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) - Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to scott.man...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after all. Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ... -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: bu...@brannan.name > On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > > And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays): > Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t need/want > fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I > need it. Same for the P3. Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss. Also > easy to focus on after many hours without sleep. > And please: no touch screens. The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy > fingerprints all over the display. And I need my hands to stay on the > keyboard(s). Minimal motion and all that stuff. > And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a > video game. > And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^) > > Ken K6MR > > From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM > To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com> > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated... > > Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300. The touch color display of > the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a > little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure. The > information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and > P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a > dubious comparison. > > But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display > however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 > display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface > to handle it. > > My two-bits on the matter. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom wrote: >> >> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks >> like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it >> maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. >> >> 73 >> >> Thom KI8W >> >> >> >> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote: >>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, >>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be >>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Chuck, KE9UW >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k...@ki8w.com >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phys...@mac.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k...@outlook.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bu...@brannan.name __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
I was turning the knob on a K3 once a couple years ago and thought, hey, what a smooth turning knob. What a nifty radio. I want one. Not in this lifetime, however, though I'm really enjoying my KX3 and K2. Well...OK...enjoying is probably a stretch, since I need to put up an hf antenna again. But, OK, maybe this is just one of those things that I'll just never understand (there are lots), but if the display gives you the information you need, in some legible manner, why does it need changed? Is there something your TS-570 isn't telling you that you just aren't getting by without knowing? Is change for change's sake what we're asking for, or is there something I'm missing (not at all unlikely)? "It's a sighted thing, you'd never understand" is a perfectly valid answer here. Probably. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: bu...@brannan.name > On May 30, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Thom wrote: > > I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks > like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it > maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. > > 73 > > Thom KI8W > > > > On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote: >> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, >> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be >> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) >> >> >> >> - >> Chuck, KE9UW >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k...@ki8w.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bu...@brannan.name -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: bu...@brannan.name __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays): Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I need it. Same for the P3. Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss. Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep. And please: no touch screens. The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy fingerprints all over the display. And I need my hands to stay on the keyboard(s). Minimal motion and all that stuff. And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a video game. And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^) Ken K6MR From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated... Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300. The touch color display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure. The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison. But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle it. My two-bits on the matter. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom wrote: > > I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks > like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it > maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. > > 73 > > Thom KI8W > > > > On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote: >> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, >> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be >> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) >> >> >> >> - >> Chuck, KE9UW >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k...@ki8w.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@outlook.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300. The touch color display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure. The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison. But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle it. My two-bits on the matter. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom wrote: > > I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks > like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it > maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. > > 73 > > Thom KI8W > > > > On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote: >> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, >> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be >> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) >> >> >> >> - >> Chuck, KE9UW >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k...@ki8w.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too. 73 Thom KI8W On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote: I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) - Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@ki8w.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display, one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :) - Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
