Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-13 Thread Don Wilhelm

Randy,

Since you will be using the K2 with the KPA100, you need to strongly 
consider adding to the list of upgrade mods shown on the K2 A to B 
instruction sheet the K2 Keying Waveshape mod.  It is important to keep 
the keyclicks down.  They are not obvious with the 10 watt K2, but rear 
their ugly heads when the KPA100 is in-line.


Elecraft no longer supplies the kit of parts, because the PIN diode 
specified is no longer available.  However, there is a "fix for that" 
and it is included with each and every new K2 kit.


I will be sending you the original Keying Waveshape Mod instructions by 
private email, along with the Elecraft part to replace the PIN diode 
specified.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/13/2019 2:29 AM, Randy Heise wrote:

Thanks to all for your well considered replies, both on and off line. I had 
pretty much decided to do the Rev A/B mod to my K2 and keep it for QRP and the 
5th Wheel and purchase the 7300 for the base station.

Then, one of our members offered a KPA-100/KAT-100 in an EC-2 enclosure at a 
very reasonable price. After much consideration, I’ve decided to upgrade the K2 
and purchase the EC-2 unit. Just seems to work best for my situation and chosen 
modes.

Thanks once again to all for being a great sounding board!


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Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-12 Thread Randy Heise
Thanks to all for your well considered replies, both on and off line. I had 
pretty much decided to do the Rev A/B mod to my K2 and keep it for QRP and the 
5th Wheel and purchase the 7300 for the base station.

Then, one of our members offered a KPA-100/KAT-100 in an EC-2 enclosure at a 
very reasonable price. After much consideration, I’ve decided to upgrade the K2 
and purchase the EC-2 unit. Just seems to work best for my situation and chosen 
modes.

Thanks once again to all for being a great sounding board!

73,

Randy, NB7E 
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Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-09 Thread Ken Roberson via Elecraft
 
Randy,
I have owned lots of radio in my 59 years as a ham and my advisewould be a K3 
or K3s.I have two , one for HF and the other I use on 630 M with Homwbrew150 
watt power amp.
Photo on my web-site k5dnl dot com 

Thanks 73 Ken K5DNL
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 10:52:18 AM CDT, Kevin Cozens 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2019-10-09 3:03 a.m., Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> I don't know, Don. If he installs the KPA100 the lack of temperature 
> stability will be a serious issue, at least for digital modes. My experience 
> was that before installing the temperature compensation mod, the drift was 
> unacceptable even on CW. This was not a problem before the additional heat 
> generated by the KPA100.

If Randy would like to keep the K2 the Temperature Compensated PLL Reference 
Upgrade Kit (item #E850138 for $24.95) is still listed on the order form for 
K2 Revision A to B Upgrade page.

The information for that mod also suggests installation of the BFO mod kit 
(item BFOMDKT for $10.95) and a firmware update if the K2 has a firmware 
version less than v2.0.

Those are relatively inexpensive upgrades and worth doing to improve the K2 
if Randy doesn't want to go the full A/B upgrade path right away. I don't 
know which would be a better investment between the K2 and the 7300 as I 
know nothing about the 7300. One other thought to consider is the difference 
between having a radio you can fix yourself vs. one where you have to send 
it away to get fixed should something break.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

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https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
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Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-09 Thread Jim KO5V
Randy,

I have just added a Clifton Labs Z10 buffer amp to tap the IF on the K2. I 
intend to feed to an RSP1 so I can have a panandapter. This buffer amp is 
something that I've had for years. Jack Clifford passed away several years ago, 
so I believe it is now available through DX engineering. So, you could have a 
band scope, but you wouldn't be able to QSY by touching the signal on the 
screen, like the 7300 (and other new radios) can. 

If you could live with 50W, the Tokyo Hi-Power HL45B (or HL-50B), and the 
Hardrock 50 amps come up for sale used on QRZ.com quite often, sometimes in the 
$250-$400 range. One of those, and a used LDG antenna tuner for ~$125.00 might 
be a cheaper way to use the K2. However, a 7300 would certainly be an easier, 
turn-key solution.

I love my K2/100, and it gives me a lot of pleasure operating it, and knowing 
that I built it.

BTW, I have a spare, unused E850138 "Temp Compensated PLL Reference Upgrade" 
kit. If you decide to upgrade the K2, I'll send it to you for $15.00. 

Good luck. 73, Jim KO5V
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Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-09 Thread Lyn Norstad
Randy -

My situation is not dissimilar to yours, as I was licensed in the '60s,
inactive for an extended period, and became fully active again just a couple
years ago.  At that time, the IC-7300 seemed like the ideal rig for me, and
I have not been disappointed.  In fact, I now own two of them.  Interfacing
with a PC is as seamless as you can get, and requires only a proper USB
cable and installation of the correct driver for it.  I operate in all
digital modes as well as conventional analog modes.  The 7300's menu system
allows fine tuning of all the relevant options, and the settings can be
saved to an SD card for immediate retrieval ... which makes mode changing
very fast.

I was also "HOA challenged" until I was elected to the HOA board and managed
to get the rules changed.  I operated for nearly two years on a modified
G5RV Jr in an inverted V configuration in the attic.  I used the Icom AH-4
tuner connected to the 450 ohm feedline in the attic and the results were
nothing short of fantastic, considering all the handicaps.  I literally had
no problem matching any frequency from 160 thru 6 meters (a subsequent MARS
modification to the 7300 also gave me very narrow 630m coverage).

If you are planning any kind of balanced or unbalanced wire antenna, as long
as it is at least 24 feet long, I would highly recommend the same.  While I
have no firsthand experience with LDG tuners, I have spoken with several
users who have had bad experiences with the IT-100.

I also used my AH-4 with a 360 foot EDZ for a period of months with even
better results, but changed to the KAT500 this Summer in order to
accommodate more power (KPA500).  While the KAT500 is great for what it
does, I really miss the performance the AH-4 offered at low power.

Incidentally, the KPA/KAT500 combination also works seamlessly with the
7300.  It's the best of both worlds, and kudos to the Elecraft engineers for
making a fine product that "plays well" with non-Elecraft products.

73
Lyn, WØLEN


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Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of
the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
(all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged³ due to the HOA it has
become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
horsepower. I¹m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
Kat-100 and KPA-100 ?or ?$1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
tuner. I¹d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters ?WSJT-X gives
my K2 a waterfall display. It¹s a toss up in price but I can¹t help
wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.

Thanks, Randy - NB7E



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Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-09 Thread Kevin Cozens

On 2019-10-09 3:03 a.m., Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
I don't know, Don. If he installs the KPA100 the lack of temperature 
stability will be a serious issue, at least for digital modes. My experience 
was that before installing the temperature compensation mod, the drift was 
unacceptable even on CW. This was not a problem before the additional heat 
generated by the KPA100.


If Randy would like to keep the K2 the Temperature Compensated PLL Reference 
Upgrade Kit (item #E850138 for $24.95) is still listed on the order form for 
K2 Revision A to B Upgrade page.


The information for that mod also suggests installation of the BFO mod kit 
(item BFOMDKT for $10.95) and a firmware update if the K2 has a firmware 
version less than v2.0.


Those are relatively inexpensive upgrades and worth doing to improve the K2 
if Randy doesn't want to go the full A/B upgrade path right away. I don't 
know which would be a better investment between the K2 and the 7300 as I 
know nothing about the 7300. One other thought to consider is the difference 
between having a radio you can fix yourself vs. one where you have to send 
it away to get fixed should something break.


--
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/   | "Nerds make the shiny things that
https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
| that's why we're powerful"
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172  |
#include  | --Chris Hardwick
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Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-09 Thread Tim N9PUZ
I have not paid a lot of attention to recent asking prices but you might
also consider shopping around for a used Elecraft K3.

Tim

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:21 PM Randy Heise 
wrote:

> So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
> other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
> and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
> (all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
> and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged³ due to the HOA it has
> become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
> horsepower. I¹m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
> Kat-100 and KPA-100 Š or Š $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100
> external
> tuner. I¹d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
> both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters Š WSJT-X
> gives
> my K2 a waterfall display. It¹s a toss up in price but I can¹t help
> wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.
>
> Thanks, Randy - NB7E
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-09 Thread John Simmons

Randy,

You pose an interesting question. The 7300 has been *extremely* popular 
for the amount of features it delivers for the price. If you go that 
route you can sell the Signalink. However I'm not sure you would see 
much difference in receiver performance.


Another thought is a used K3 with a built-in tuner. There are a lot of 
them on the market now that the K4 is almost being delivered.


If FT8 is your only interest I'd suggest the 7300.

-de John NI0K

Randy Heise wrote on 10/8/2019 10:58 PM:

So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
(all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged³ due to the HOA it has
become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
horsepower. I¹m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
Kat-100 and KPA-100 � or � $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
tuner. I¹d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters � WSJT-X gives
my K2 a waterfall display. It¹s a toss up in price but I can¹t help
wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.

Thanks, Randy - NB7E




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Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-09 Thread Gordon LaPoint
I have a K2 and  a K3 along with a Kenwood TS-590sg.   I have used the 
IC-7300.
If I was in your position I would buy the TS-590sg and RSP1 for the band 
scope.  I think the 590 is a better radio than the 7300, for about the 
same $.
I love the K2, but the 590 (or 7300) is a better radio for general 
Digitial mode use, and either will give you a band scope.  The 590/RSP1 
combination will give you a band scope on the computer that you can use 
to click on and move the tuning, everything on one screen with a 
keyboard and mouse!


There are many Utube videos on the 590/rsp1 bandscope combination.
Gordon - N1MGO


On 10/8/2019 23:19 PM, Randy Heise wrote:

So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
(all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged³ due to the HOA it has
become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
horsepower. I¹m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
Kat-100 and KPA-100 Š or Š $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
tuner. I¹d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters Š WSJT-X gives
my K2 a waterfall display. It¹s a toss up in price but I can¹t help
wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.

Thanks, Randy - NB7E






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Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-09 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
I don't know, Don. If he installs the KPA100 the lack of temperature 
stability will be a serious issue, at least for digital modes. My 
experience was that before installing the temperature compensation mod, 
the drift was unacceptable even on CW. This was not a problem before the 
additional heat generated by the KPA100.
I think what he should do is get a newer rig (I won't speculate as to 
what's best) for his home-based digital operations.
Then he can either keep his QRP K2 for portable fun, use it as a backup 
rig as I have done, or even sell it (as I would NEVER do!)


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
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On 09/10/2019 7:32, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Randy,

Faced with that kind of decision (mainly dollar comparison), why fully 
upgrade the K2 with the A/B mods -- just update the firmware to get 
the added functions.  From your question, I surmise you are not 
necessarily 'in love' with your K2 as some of the original builders 
would be having tremendous pride in the fact that they built it 
themselves.  I for one have my Field Test K2 SN 0020 which has been 
fully upgraded, but I will not part with it - that is for my heirs to 
decide.


Yes, you will not have the temperature stability of a new K2, and you 
will not have some of the other K2 hardware improvements. But it will 
still work fine for less money than a full upgrade.  I am assuming you 
will be using it in a temperature stable environment.
Any K2 can work great - the most important for receive performance is 
the IF filter alignment, so do that carefully with an audio spectrum 
analyzer running on your computer.  If you are planning digital modes, 
turn on the RTTY filter set and align those filters to optimize your 
digital filters while not disturbing your SSB settings, especially 
compression settings.


I am certain the Icom 7300 will have more modern features, but in 
receive performance even the oldest K2 can stand on its own.  I have 
not compared the K2 with a 7300, but you can check the Sherwood 
ratings to see the relative ranking.


Oh yes, if it is a QRP K2, and you want 100 watt capability, you will 
need the KPA100 and KAT100 as well.  There are parts in the KPA100 kit 
to upgrade the 10/12 meter bandpass filter and the VFO ALC.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/8/2019 11:19 PM, Randy Heise wrote:

So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was 
retirement
and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my 
Rev. A K2
(all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, 
MacLoggerDX

and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged³ due to the HOA it has
become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little 
more
horsepower. I¹m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, 
build the
Kat-100 and KPA-100 Š or Š $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 
external
tuner. I¹d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is 
knowledgeable on
both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters Š 
WSJT-X gives

my K2 a waterfall display. It¹s a toss up in price but I can¹t help
wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.


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Re: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Randy,

Faced with that kind of decision (mainly dollar comparison), why fully 
upgrade the K2 with the A/B mods -- just update the firmware to get the 
added functions.  From your question, I surmise you are not necessarily 
'in love' with your K2 as some of the original builders would be having 
tremendous pride in the fact that they built it themselves.  I for one 
have my Field Test K2 SN 0020 which has been fully upgraded, but I will 
not part with it - that is for my heirs to decide.


Yes, you will not have the temperature stability of a new K2, and you 
will not have some of the other K2 hardware improvements. But it will 
still work fine for less money than a full upgrade.  I am assuming you 
will be using it in a temperature stable environment.
Any K2 can work great - the most important for receive performance is 
the IF filter alignment, so do that carefully with an audio spectrum 
analyzer running on your computer.  If you are planning digital modes, 
turn on the RTTY filter set and align those filters to optimize your 
digital filters while not disturbing your SSB settings, especially 
compression settings.


I am certain the Icom 7300 will have more modern features, but in 
receive performance even the oldest K2 can stand on its own.  I have not 
compared the K2 with a 7300, but you can check the Sherwood ratings to 
see the relative ranking.


Oh yes, if it is a QRP K2, and you want 100 watt capability, you will 
need the KPA100 and KAT100 as well.  There are parts in the KPA100 kit 
to upgrade the 10/12 meter bandpass filter and the VFO ALC.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/8/2019 11:19 PM, Randy Heise wrote:

So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
(all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged³ due to the HOA it has
become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
horsepower. I¹m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
Kat-100 and KPA-100 Š or Š $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
tuner. I¹d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters Š WSJT-X gives
my K2 a waterfall display. It¹s a toss up in price but I can¹t help
wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.


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[Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-08 Thread Randy Heise
So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
(all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged³ due to the HOA it has
become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
horsepower. I¹m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
Kat-100 and KPA-100 � or � $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
tuner. I¹d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters � WSJT-X gives
my K2 a waterfall display. It¹s a toss up in price but I can¹t help
wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.

Thanks, Randy - NB7E


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[Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

2019-10-08 Thread Randy Heise
So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
(all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged³ due to the HOA it has
become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
horsepower. I¹m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
Kat-100 and KPA-100 Š or Š $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
tuner. I¹d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters Š WSJT-X gives
my K2 a waterfall display. It¹s a toss up in price but I can¹t help
wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.

Thanks, Randy - NB7E






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