[Elecraft] K3 Remote Control of Line In
I am working on remote control of my K3S in Data A mode. I was pleased to see that a recent version of Win4K3 displays the ALC on transmit. I discovered however that the mike gain control in Win4K3 does not control line in when using Data A as it does on the radio but continues to control the mike gain. That is a major problem if you wish to do remote control using a screen mirroring program. I considered writing a macro for this purpose however there does not appear to be any provision for controlling or reporting the line in value in the command set. As a result of the above I have two questions: 1. Is there a method to remotely control the line in value? 2. Does a K3/0 control line in when in Data A and mike gain when in SSB as does the radio? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
Will the mini be able to perform the same job the control head on a Kenwood 480 does? Put the radio on a back shelf and only have a 2 deep control panel to drag around the desk? Maybe a blank panel cover for the K3 and a remote kit that will provide for this? There are days when I am not feeling too sparky and I use my 480 because I can drag the control panel over to my recliner and put it on a TV tray. Life would be great if I could do the same with the K3. Thanks, Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
How about a detachable P3 display? The box takes up way too much space. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 4/29/2013 14:51, Bill wrote: Will the mini be able to perform the same job the control head on a Kenwood 480 does? Put the radio on a back shelf and only have a 2 deep control panel to drag around the desk? Maybe a blank panel cover for the K3 and a remote kit that will provide for this? There are days when I am not feeling too sparky and I use my 480 because I can drag the control panel over to my recliner and put it on a TV tray. Life would be great if I could do the same with the K3. Thanks, Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5782 - Release Date: 04/29/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5782 - Release Date: 04/29/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
I call that the SVGA option. :-) Of course, my display is a lot larger than the P3, but it is better located so I almost never look at the P3. Field day will be different of course. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 4/29/13 at 8:41 AM, als...@nc.rr.com (Brian Alsop) wrote: How about a detachable P3 display? The box takes up way too much space. --- Bill Frantz|The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum| Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
Armchair copy OM! 73, Josh W6XU On 4/29/2013 7:51 AM, Bill wrote: I can drag the control panel over to my recliner and put it on a TV tray. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Bill b...@w2blc.net wrote: Will the mini be able to perform the same job the control head on a Kenwood 480 does? Put the radio on a back shelf and only have a 2 deep control panel to drag around the desk? Maybe a blank panel cover for the K3 and a remote kit that will provide for this? There are days when I am not feeling too sparky and I use my 480 because I can drag the control panel over to my recliner and put it on a TV tray. Life would be great if I could do the same with the K3. I'm not familiar with the details of the K3/0 mini, so the following is *speculation* The K3/0 should allow you to control a K3 over a RS232 connection, which could be a fairly long cable (up to 50 feet, perhaps?), but it will not get audio (RX or TX), keying (PTT or CW) or DC power over the RS232 cable, so you would have to handle those separately (more long cables, and probably a wall-wart by the recliner). I doubt that there will ever be a blank front-panel option for the K3. The K3/0 (mini) does not replace the functionality of the real front panel. I suppose there could be a version with no display/buttons/knobs, but it seems unlikely that that would be worth the development effort... 73, ~iain / N6ML __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
Yes. Eric elecraft.com On 4/29/2013 9:56 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Bill b...@w2blc.net wrote: Will the mini be able to perform the same job the control head on a Kenwood 480 does? Put the radio on a back shelf and only have a 2 deep control panel to drag around the desk? Maybe a blank panel cover for the K3 and a remote kit that will provide for this? There are days when I am not feeling too sparky and I use my 480 because I can drag the control panel over to my recliner and put it on a TV tray. Life would be great if I could do the same with the K3. I'm not familiar with the details of the K3/0 mini, so the following is *speculation* The K3/0 should allow you to control a K3 over a RS232 connection, which could be a fairly long cable (up to 50 feet, perhaps?), but it will not get audio (RX or TX), keying (PTT or CW) or DC power over the RS232 cable, so you would have to handle those separately (more long cables, and probably a wall-wart by the recliner). I doubt that there will ever be a blank front-panel option for the K3. The K3/0 (mini) does not replace the functionality of the real front panel. I suppose there could be a version with no display/buttons/knobs, but it seems unlikely that that would be worth the development effort... 73, ~iain / N6ML __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
: The K3/0 should allow you to control a K3 over a RS232 connection, which could be a fairly long cable (up to 50 feet, perhaps?), Another very useful fact -- RS232 uses an unbalanced connection, and the connection is NOT impedance-matched. That is, the source has a low source impedance and the receiver has a high input impedance, so the interconnecting cable appears as a capacitive load to the driving source. A decade or so ago, we often used RS232 for the connection between a computer in the audience in a large performance space to signal processing equipment buried in the bowels of the building. We were able to reliably use runs on the order of 200 ft at decent speeds by using CAT5 cable for the connection, using a pair for each signalling circuit, by dedicating all un-used conductors to the return, and connecting the returns to the SHELL of the DB9 connectors at both ends. It works because CAT5 cable has good bandwidth AND low capacitance between the conductors of a pair, the twisted pair rejects noise, connecting to the shells at both ends gets around Pin One Problems that may be present, and doubling up on the return conductors minimizes the IR drop from AC power leakage currents that may be present because the equipment is powered (and perhaps grounded) at widely separated points. Another method to consider for longer runs is RS422, the BALANCED configuration of the serial interface. A very good company in Illinois called BB makes very nice, fairly inexpensive RS232 to RS422 converters. http://www.bb-elec.com/Learning-Center/All-White-Papers/White-Papers-Category1/232_422-Converter-Connections-for-Extending-RS-232.aspx 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
Bill, I wonder if the Elecraft K3 has the I/O signals to easily implement a remote head. This is a feature which has been requested in the past and I think that Elecraft even had a prototype at one time but it died a death - could be wrong on this last point.I too have hoped for this feature as implemented with the Orion II but Elecraft has supplied so much it is churlish for me to look for more.God, an improved AGC for CW, P3 SVGA adapted for data modes - it is hard to keep up with Elecraft.They are such an unusual company in their close links to the customer base and willingness to oblige when they can. We are a fortunate bunch to have chosen their product. The hot keys software is supposed to implement some of what I want in a remote control head but the confession is that I have not tried this yet. Interaction with Micro keyer II or Wintest is my worry but I understand this is not supposed to be a problem. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: 27 July 2012 01:44 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head I wonder if the K3's (K3/0) front panel will ever be available as a stand alone device similar the Kenwood TS-480? No big box behind the panel, just a line to the transceiver - which is operated remote from where it is mounted on the side of my desk. It is very handy to be able to move that control panel all over my desk. This is similar to the Yaesu 857D and the Icom 706 and 7000 series. It is not rocket science - just another purchase for the K3. Bill W2BLC -- IN GOD I TRUST (but, NOT a single politician) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
How about: http://www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm ? Uses an Ethernet connection between the remote and the transmitter. Mark AD5SS On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Doug Turnbull turnb...@net1.ie wrote: Bill, I wonder if the Elecraft K3 has the I/O signals to easily implement a remote head. This is a feature which has been requested in the past and I think that Elecraft even had a prototype at one time but it died a death - could be wrong on this last point.I too have hoped for this feature as implemented with the Orion II but Elecraft has supplied so much it is churlish for me to look for more.God, an improved AGC for CW, P3 SVGA adapted for data modes - it is hard to keep up with Elecraft.They are such an unusual company in their close links to the customer base and willingness to oblige when they can. We are a fortunate bunch to have chosen their product. The hot keys software is supposed to implement some of what I want in a remote control head but the confession is that I have not tried this yet. Interaction with Micro keyer II or Wintest is my worry but I understand this is not supposed to be a problem. 73 Doug EI2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
Mark, Yes the remoting capabilities are great but a simple pod such as TenTec uses is what some of us would like. A good friend EI9KF is using a K3/0 with similar interface boxes and it is a pretty nifty arrangement. Thanks. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: Mark Bayern [mailto:plcm...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 July 2012 13:14 To: Doug Turnbull Cc: Bill; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head How about: http://www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm ? Uses an Ethernet connection between the remote and the transmitter. Mark AD5SS On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Doug Turnbull turnb...@net1.ie wrote: Bill, I wonder if the Elecraft K3 has the I/O signals to easily implement a remote head. This is a feature which has been requested in the past and I think that Elecraft even had a prototype at one time but it died a death - could be wrong on this last point.I too have hoped for this feature as implemented with the Orion II but Elecraft has supplied so much it is churlish for me to look for more.God, an improved AGC for CW, P3 SVGA adapted for data modes - it is hard to keep up with Elecraft.They are such an unusual company in their close links to the customer base and willingness to oblige when they can. We are a fortunate bunch to have chosen their product. The hot keys software is supposed to implement some of what I want in a remote control head but the confession is that I have not tried this yet. Interaction with Micro keyer II or Wintest is my worry but I understand this is not supposed to be a problem. 73 Doug EI2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Remote Control Head
If what you are looking for is a multi-function remote tuning knob consider using the Shuttle Pro 2 by Contour Design at http://retail.contourdesign.com/ I've used this device in that role in my mobile contesting setup to control the K3 which is in the rear of the vehicle and the operator is in the front passenger seat. The Shuttle Prov 2 has a nice set of 15 buttons and a tuning knob. The buttons on the Shuttle Pro can be mapped to any function keys supported by the software you are using and also supports macros which combine multiple function keys. There is a brief description on this page of my website http://www.no5w.com/CQxK3RemoteKit.html describing how I am using it with CQ/X. Of course the above approach requires an intermediary in the form of software running on a PC. If what you are interested in is a standalone remote that connects (essentially) directly to the K3, an Android smartphone can serve as the display and controlling device and can be interfaced wirelessly to the K3 over Bluetooth via a small PIC-based board (Android IOIO) from SparkFun Electronics https://www.sparkfun.com. Some details of the interface and of a prototype are available at http://www.no5w.com/CQxK3-AndroidInterface.html. It should be noted that this is a work in progress. I believe there are others who have carried this idea even further so look around and see what you can find. 73/Chuck/NO5W __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
It should be technically feasible to use the high-speed protocol that was developed for the RemoteRig solution to implement a remote control head that talks over a serial connection to the K3. It'd essentially be a K3/0 in a compact package, suitable for moving around the desk, or mounting on a vehicle dashboard. The RR boxes wouldn't be necessary for such short distances - just RS232 (although it'd need to get power from somewhere too). 73, ~iain / N6ML On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Mark Bayern plcm...@gmail.com wrote: How about: http://www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm ? Uses an Ethernet connection between the remote and the transmitter. Mark AD5SS On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Doug Turnbull turnb...@net1.ie wrote: Bill, I wonder if the Elecraft K3 has the I/O signals to easily implement a remote head. This is a feature which has been requested in the past and I think that Elecraft even had a prototype at one time but it died a death - could be wrong on this last point.I too have hoped for this feature as implemented with the Orion II but Elecraft has supplied so much it is churlish for me to look for more.God, an improved AGC for CW, P3 SVGA adapted for data modes - it is hard to keep up with Elecraft.They are such an unusual company in their close links to the customer base and willingness to oblige when they can. We are a fortunate bunch to have chosen their product. The hot keys software is supposed to implement some of what I want in a remote control head but the confession is that I have not tried this yet. Interaction with Micro keyer II or Wintest is my worry but I understand this is not supposed to be a problem. 73 Doug EI2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
I wonder if the K3's (K3/0) front panel will ever be available as a stand alone device similar the Kenwood TS-480? No big box behind the panel, just a line to the transceiver - which is operated remote from where it is mounted on the side of my desk. It is very handy to be able to move that control panel all over my desk. This is similar to the Yaesu 857D and the Icom 706 and 7000 series. It is not rocket science - just another purchase for the K3. Bill W2BLC -- IN GOD I TRUST (but, NOT a single politician) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation
Bob, That seems to confirm what I thought. Does anyone have any information on this protocol? It would be great to get some specs even if they are preliminary and/or incomplete - sure beats reverse engineering the thing, especially since I only have one K3 :) 73, Thomas M0TRN On 30 January 2012 15:52, Bob Cunnings bob.cunni...@gmail.com wrote: From the changes notes for K3 firmware MCU 4.47 / DSP 2.73, 12-2-2011: REMOTE-RIG SUPPORT: One K3 can now directly control another, with one acting as nothing but a front panel. This remote rig mode provides a nearly perfect emulation of the remote K3's display and controls. (Previously, front panel emulation was limited by the K3's legacy command set.) The simplest way to use this is to connect the two K3s together using a null modem cable at the RS232 ports. However, by using a computer or a third-party hardware as an intermediary, it's possible to control a K3 over the internet or even a wiFi connection. Previously, front panel emulation was limited by the K3's legacy command set. hints at something new to make remote control more efficient. Wayne described it in this message posted on 21 Sep 2011: http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg123387.html Virtually the entire K3 user interface is supported by the new remote- control protocol. It really feels like you're using the remote K3 itself, including a 100% accurate emulation of the remote K3's LCD (flashing icons, etc.). Bob NW8L So the new REMOTE mode of the K3 uses the normal K3 commands from the Programmer's Reference to talk to the remote K3? I was sure I'd seen somewhere that a better protocol had been devised for this. Can anyone with such a setup verify if that's the case, possibly by snooping on the link? This is not directly related to RemoteRig, as far as I understand it will work by hooking up any 2 K3's with, for example, a null-modem cable or two serial ports on a PC virtually connected together. 73, Thomas __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation
Hi Elecraft list, I have read about the new K3 remote protocol (that's supported natively in the latest firmwares of the K3), and I want to implement my own remote control solution. However I haven't been able to find any documentation on the remote protocol anywhere (implemented in Linux with software on a Beagleboard acting as the backend to a GTK+ frontend emulating the user interface on another machine in the network). Does anyone know if this documentation exists, and if not, when it will be released? Apologies if there is an early beta/draft version of the protocol documentation somewhere and I've missed it. If it's not out there, can someone in the know provide me with a copy? 73, Thomas M0TRN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation
Thomas, If you are referring to the recent support for RemoteRig, the description of that function can be found at the Elecraft website - search on RemoteRig. Either the RemoteRig, or a communications link to connect 2 K3s (the local K3 controls the remote K3) is what is needed. What is required is a communications link, and not any particular protocol. If you are instead creating a control program to run on your computer and remotely control a single K3, then the K3 Programming reference is the documentation that you need. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/30/2012 7:00 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote: Hi Elecraft list, I have read about the new K3 remote protocol (that's supported natively in the latest firmwares of the K3), and I want to implement my own remote control solution. However I haven't been able to find any documentation on the remote protocol anywhere (implemented in Linux with software on a Beagleboard acting as the backend to a GTK+ frontend emulating the user interface on another machine in the network). Does anyone know if this documentation exists, and if not, when it will be released? Apologies if there is an early beta/draft version of the protocol documentation somewhere and I've missed it. If it's not out there, can someone in the know provide me with a copy? 73, Thomas M0TRN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation
Don, I was under the impression that a new protocol had been implemented in the firmware, providing better performance and features for remote control applications compared to the existing command set from the K3 Programmer's Reference. The approach of continuously polling all values and attempting to emulate panel key presses by translating them into the corresponding commands is not very efficient for this purpose, and it's not possible to achieve 100% synchronization and correct mapping of keys to functions. 73, Thomas M0TRN On 30 January 2012 13:34, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thomas, If you are referring to the recent support for RemoteRig, the description of that function can be found at the Elecraft website - search on RemoteRig. Either the RemoteRig, or a communications link to connect 2 K3s (the local K3 controls the remote K3) is what is needed. What is required is a communications link, and not any particular protocol. If you are instead creating a control program to run on your computer and remotely control a single K3, then the K3 Programming reference is the documentation that you need. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/30/2012 7:00 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote: Hi Elecraft list, I have read about the new K3 remote protocol (that's supported natively in the latest firmwares of the K3), and I want to implement my own remote control solution. However I haven't been able to find any documentation on the remote protocol anywhere (implemented in Linux with software on a Beagleboard acting as the backend to a GTK+ frontend emulating the user interface on another machine in the network). Does anyone know if this documentation exists, and if not, when it will be released? Apologies if there is an early beta/draft version of the protocol documentation somewhere and I've missed it. If it's not out there, can someone in the know provide me with a copy? 73, Thomas M0TRN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation
There is no new protocol that I am aware of, just the RemoteRig support implementation. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/30/2012 8:37 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote: Don, I was under the impression that a new protocol had been implemented in the firmware, providing better performance and features for remote control applications compared to the existing command set from the K3 Programmer's Reference. The approach of continuously polling all values and attempting to emulate panel key presses by translating them into the corresponding commands is not very efficient for this purpose, and it's not possible to achieve 100% synchronization and correct mapping of keys to functions. 73, Thomas M0TRN On 30 January 2012 13:34, Don Wilhelmw3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thomas, If you are referring to the recent support for RemoteRig, the description of that function can be found at the Elecraft website - search on RemoteRig. Either the RemoteRig, or a communications link to connect 2 K3s (the local K3 controls the remote K3) is what is needed. What is required is a communications link, and not any particular protocol. If you are instead creating a control program to run on your computer and remotely control a single K3, then the K3 Programming reference is the documentation that you need. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/30/2012 7:00 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote: Hi Elecraft list, I have read about the new K3 remote protocol (that's supported natively in the latest firmwares of the K3), and I want to implement my own remote control solution. However I haven't been able to find any documentation on the remote protocol anywhere (implemented in Linux with software on a Beagleboard acting as the backend to a GTK+ frontend emulating the user interface on another machine in the network). Does anyone know if this documentation exists, and if not, when it will be released? Apologies if there is an early beta/draft version of the protocol documentation somewhere and I've missed it. If it's not out there, can someone in the know provide me with a copy? 73, Thomas M0TRN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation
So the new REMOTE mode of the K3 uses the normal K3 commands from the Programmer's Reference to talk to the remote K3? I was sure I'd seen somewhere that a better protocol had been devised for this. Can anyone with such a setup verify if that's the case, possibly by snooping on the link? This is not directly related to RemoteRig, as far as I understand it will work by hooking up any 2 K3's with, for example, a null-modem cable or two serial ports on a PC virtually connected together. 73, Thomas On 30 January 2012 13:48, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: There is no new protocol that I am aware of, just the RemoteRig support implementation. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/30/2012 8:37 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote: Don, I was under the impression that a new protocol had been implemented in the firmware, providing better performance and features for remote control applications compared to the existing command set from the K3 Programmer's Reference. The approach of continuously polling all values and attempting to emulate panel key presses by translating them into the corresponding commands is not very efficient for this purpose, and it's not possible to achieve 100% synchronization and correct mapping of keys to functions. 73, Thomas M0TRN On 30 January 2012 13:34, Don Wilhelmw3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thomas, If you are referring to the recent support for RemoteRig, the description of that function can be found at the Elecraft website - search on RemoteRig. Either the RemoteRig, or a communications link to connect 2 K3s (the local K3 controls the remote K3) is what is needed. What is required is a communications link, and not any particular protocol. If you are instead creating a control program to run on your computer and remotely control a single K3, then the K3 Programming reference is the documentation that you need. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/30/2012 7:00 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote: Hi Elecraft list, I have read about the new K3 remote protocol (that's supported natively in the latest firmwares of the K3), and I want to implement my own remote control solution. However I haven't been able to find any documentation on the remote protocol anywhere (implemented in Linux with software on a Beagleboard acting as the backend to a GTK+ frontend emulating the user interface on another machine in the network). Does anyone know if this documentation exists, and if not, when it will be released? Apologies if there is an early beta/draft version of the protocol documentation somewhere and I've missed it. If it's not out there, can someone in the know provide me with a copy? 73, Thomas M0TRN __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation
From the changes notes for K3 firmware MCU 4.47 / DSP 2.73, 12-2-2011: REMOTE-RIG SUPPORT: One K3 can now directly control another, with one acting as nothing but a front panel. This remote rig mode provides a nearly perfect emulation of the remote K3's display and controls. (Previously, front panel emulation was limited by the K3's legacy command set.) The simplest way to use this is to connect the two K3s together using a null modem cable at the RS232 ports. However, by using a computer or a third-party hardware as an intermediary, it's possible to control a K3 over the internet or even a wiFi connection. Previously, front panel emulation was limited by the K3's legacy command set. hints at something new to make remote control more efficient. Wayne described it in this message posted on 21 Sep 2011: http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg123387.html Virtually the entire K3 user interface is supported by the new remote- control protocol. It really feels like you're using the remote K3 itself, including a 100% accurate emulation of the remote K3's LCD (flashing icons, etc.). Bob NW8L So the new REMOTE mode of the K3 uses the normal K3 commands from the Programmer's Reference to talk to the remote K3? I was sure I'd seen somewhere that a better protocol had been devised for this. Can anyone with such a setup verify if that's the case, possibly by snooping on the link? This is not directly related to RemoteRig, as far as I understand it will work by hooking up any 2 K3's with, for example, a null-modem cable or two serial ports on a PC virtually connected together. 73, Thomas __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
I use Splashtop and HDR, it also streams your mic input while using HRD, which VNC RDP don't. Saves having to use skype for the audio side. -- *Iain Haywood* G4SGX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Thanks for the info, Iain. We paranoids are very literal: did you mean to type HRD twice? Brgds, Dave, N3HE ex-GM5AMC 1968 - Original Message - From: Iain Haywood [via Elecraft] To: David Windisch Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:50 PM Subject: Re: K3: remote control I use Splashtop and HDR, it also streams your mic input while using HRD, which VNC RDP don't. Saves having to use skype for the audio side. --SNIP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-control-tp6549744p6564296.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Kevin Rock-2 wrote: Plus it is only a few chips on a board to get the job done. Firmware is dead simple too. Simple solution, why hasn't anyone built it yet? Kevin. KD5ONS Quite like the solution you can get here I would say, notice the solution showing a K2/K3 at the remote rig side in the block diagram: http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465 http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465 It also supports control of a PA as well as a antenna rotator. I am considering one, but haven't gotten around to it yet. - Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391 LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-control-tp6549744p6554264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3: remote control
Hi, all concerned: In the next 6 months, I'll be going from having a competitive station to . . . heavysigh . . . an in-law suite which will likely have HOAs and restrictive covenants, somewhere in or near Jacksonville FL. I am interested in remotely controlling a K3 over the 'net, as simply as I can, ie, avoiding using a computer at the remote site. Before I throw money at the problem, I'd like some comment on this block diagram: Computer/rig-control-software at control point to router-with-USB-port, eg, http://www.cnet.com/topic-reviews/router/usb-port.html or computer/rig-control-software at control point to IP-to-USB-converter, eg (log lnk) http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=ensugexp=bvecxhr=tq=ip+to+usb+convertercp=19bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.biw=662bih=723wrapid=tljp130987001388200um=1ie=UTF-8tbm=shopcid=3705660766983091443sa=Xei=ygcTTsuwH8mugQfP2OzpBQsqi=2ved=0CFYQ8wIwAA# to (my present LinkSys) router to high-speed cable connection (eg RoadRunner) to a SignaLink IP-to-USB interface to the K3 http://www.tigertronics.com/ at the remote site, in the hope of adding at least as much rc functionality to the K3 as, say, the Ten Tec OMNI VII http://www.tentec.com/?id=2 provides right out of the Ten Tec shipping box. Just how many of what unknowns am I overlooking, thanks? Brgds, Dave Windisch, N3HE -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-control-tp6549744p6549744.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Hi Dave, That remote USB device looks interesting. I'm not sure, however, that it will work over the Internet. I think its intended for use on a local network I looked at the manual and saw nothing about how you would find the device from a remote computer via the Internet. That is to say what IP address the device is using. I suppose that might not be a problem if you have a static IP address for the device (very uncommon). On a local network I bet it does some kind of broadcast saying here I am, and your computer would be looking for that with the software they provide. But such broadcasts would not be sent over the entire Internet. Maybe someone has had some real experience with that device and can shed some more light on it. 73 - Mike WA8BXN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465 73 Paul PD0PSB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-control-tp6549744p6550433.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Dave, perhaps easier to consider The remoteRig box that allows you to remote your rig with a single box http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956 cheers - Wim -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-control-tp6549744p6550465.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Not taking a thing from what is being proposed as to controlling the K3 over a LAN or the Internet, I wish Elecraft would produce a Remote Pod, actually a hard wired Pod which would access the CW and DVR memories with a press of a given button and maybe though this is less important to me have an encoder which would allow tuning the radio. TenTec has one for the Orion II and it was a considerable help with engaging the CW and Voice memories. The pod made the Orion II far more convenient to use for both contesting and conventional operation. For contesting when one does not touch the tuning for periods of time it would prove helpful and yes I presently use Micro-Keyer II with Win-test and so have some of these features but I would still use the DVK and CW memories if it could be done with more ease. Ah well Elecraft is doing a great job and has so many new products and developing products as it stands that it will take time to digest what is presently on the plate. Elecraft is doing a fantastic job. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of pd0psb Sent: 05 July 2011 17:11 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465 73 Paul PD0PSB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-control-tp6549744p6550433.htm l Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
I think what you want is port forwarding to get through the router firewall and specify the fixed IP address. In my Belkin router it is under Firewall Virtual servers. You specify the private (local) IP address (which will be 192.168.2.*) and port number as well as the fixed IP and port that is seen by the outside world. Alan N1AL On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 10:19 -0400, Mike WA8BXN wrote: Hi Dave, That remote USB device looks interesting. I'm not sure, however, that it will work over the Internet. I think its intended for use on a local network I looked at the manual and saw nothing about how you would find the device from a remote computer via the Internet. That is to say what IP address the device is using. I suppose that might not be a problem if you have a static IP address for the device (very uncommon). On a local network I bet it does some kind of broadcast saying here I am, and your computer would be looking for that with the software they provide. But such broadcasts would not be sent over the entire Internet. Maybe someone has had some real experience with that device and can shed some more light on it. 73 - Mike WA8BXN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
This is a great idea for a new product. On 7/5/2011 12:25 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: Not taking a thing from what is being proposed as to controlling the K3 over a LAN or the Internet, I wish Elecraft would produce a Remote Pod, actually a hard wired Pod which would access the CW and DVR memories with a press of a given button and maybe though this is less important to me have an encoder which would allow tuning the radio. TenTec has one for the Orion II and it was a considerable help with engaging the CW and Voice memories. The pod made the Orion II far more convenient to use for both contesting and conventional operation. For contesting when one does not touch the tuning for periods of time it would prove helpful and yes I presently use Micro-Keyer II with Win-test and so have some of these features but I would still use the DVK and CW memories if it could be done with more ease. Ah well Elecraft is doing a great job and has so many new products and developing products as it stands that it will take time to digest what is presently on the plate. Elecraft is doing a fantastic job. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of pd0psb Sent: 05 July 2011 17:11 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465 73 Paul PD0PSB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-control-tp6549744p6550433.htm l Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73, Gary K9GS Check out K9NS on the web: http://www.k9ns.com Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Yes, port forwarding is used. But there is still the problem of what the IP address of the router itself is if you don't have a static IP address. There are a number of services that can be used to give you a symbolic name that the name server can look up, but they need something to tell the service when your dynamic address changes. This is usually a program running on a computer on your network or some network device that can do it. I didn't see any provision for this in the remote USB gadget. So a computer may be needed on the network. 73 - Mike WA8BXN ---Original Message--- From: Alan Bloom Date: 7/5/2011 1:29:22 PM To: Mike WA8BXN Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; David Windisch Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control I think what you want is port forwarding to get through the router Firewall and specify the fixed IP address. In my Belkin router it is Under Firewall Virtual servers. You specify the private (local) IP address (which will be 192.168.2.*) And port number as well as the fixed IP and port that is seen by the Outside world. Alan N1AL On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 10:19 -0400, Mike WA8BXN wrote: Hi Dave, That remote USB device looks interesting. I'm not sure, however, that it will work over the Internet. I think its intended for use on a local network I looked at the manual and saw nothing about how you would find the device from a remote computer via the Internet. That is to say what IP address the device is using. I suppose that might not be a problem if you have a static IP address for the device (very uncommon). On a local network I bet it does some kind of broadcast saying here I am, and your computer would be looking for that with the software they provide But such broadcasts would not be sent over the entire Internet. Maybe someone has had some real experience with that device and can shed some more light on it. 73 - Mike WA8BXN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Most, if not all current cable/dsl routers support DynDNS natively. That's what I've been using for years to accomplish this. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Mike WA8BXN hubb...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, port forwarding is used. But there is still the problem of what the IP address of the router itself is if you don't have a static IP address. There are a number of services that can be used to give you a symbolic name that the name server can look up, but they need something to tell the service when your dynamic address changes. This is usually a program running on a computer on your network or some network device that can do it. I didn't see any provision for this in the remote USB gadget. So a computer may be needed on the network. 73 - Mike WA8BXN ---Original Message--- From: Alan Bloom Date: 7/5/2011 1:29:22 PM To: Mike WA8BXN Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; David Windisch Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control I think what you want is port forwarding to get through the router Firewall and specify the fixed IP address. In my Belkin router it is Under Firewall Virtual servers. You specify the private (local) IP address (which will be 192.168.2.*) And port number as well as the fixed IP and port that is seen by the Outside world. Alan N1AL On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 10:19 -0400, Mike WA8BXN wrote: Hi Dave, That remote USB device looks interesting. I'm not sure, however, that it will work over the Internet. I think its intended for use on a local network I looked at the manual and saw nothing about how you would find the device from a remote computer via the Internet. That is to say what IP address the device is using. I suppose that might not be a problem if you have a static IP address for the device (very uncommon). On a local network I bet it does some kind of broadcast saying here I am, and your computer would be looking for that with the software they provide But such broadcasts would not be sent over the entire Internet. Maybe someone has had some real experience with that device and can shed some more light on it. 73 - Mike WA8BXN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
The best solution is to use a static IP address at the remote station. My ISP offers a package of 8 addresses for an extra monthly charge. You pick one of them and tell the router to use that address. That way the computer at the control point can always connect to the same address to access the remote station. If you don't have a static IP, then you have to use the method that Mike describes below, which AFAIK requires a computer at the remote station. Even if the USB gadget had the feature built-in, it still wouldn't work through a router (although admittedly you probably don't need one for this application). Alan N1AL On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 12:04 -0700, Tim Tucker wrote: Most, if not all current cable/dsl routers support DynDNS natively. That's what I've been using for years to accomplish this. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Mike WA8BXN hubb...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, port forwarding is used. But there is still the problem of what the IP address of the router itself is if you don't have a static IP address. There are a number of services that can be used to give you a symbolic name that the name server can look up, but they need something to tell the service when your dynamic address changes. This is usually a program running on a computer on your network or some network device that can do it. I didn't see any provision for this in the remote USB gadget. So a computer may be needed on the network. 73 - Mike WA8BXN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious. In the case of the K3, what would comprise the user interface at the operating end in absence of a computer? 73, Dick - KA5KKT _ Dave, perhaps easier to consider The remoteRig box that allows you to remote your rig with a single box http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956 http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956 cheers - Wim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Yes, you do need a computer at the operating end. However it is really nice not to need one at the radio end. If the computer crashes you really don't want to have to drive to the mountaintop to reset it. Also having a computer running 14/7 can waste a lot of power. The computer at the operating position can be turned off when you aren't using it. Alan N1AL On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 16:18 -0400, Edward Dickinson III wrote: Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious. In the case of the K3, what would comprise the user interface at the operating end in absence of a computer? 73, Dick - KA5KKT _ Dave, perhaps easier to consider The remoteRig box that allows you to remote your rig with a single box http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956 http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956 cheers - Wim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Thanks, Alan. The eHam link referenced in Win's post was for a unit not requiring a computer at the operating position. I suppose that is for units that have remote heads. Perhaps Elecraft will consider a remote head for the K3 and/or other/future rigs. 73, Dick - KA5KKT _ Yes, you do need a computer at the operating end. However it is really nice not to need one at the radio end. If the computer crashes you really don't want to have to drive to the mountaintop to reset it. Also having a computer running 14/7 can waste a lot of power. The computer at the operating position can be turned off when you aren't using it. Alan N1AL On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 16:18 -0400, Edward Dickinson III wrote: Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious. In the case of the K3, what would comprise the user interface at the operating end in absence of a computer? 73, Dick - KA5KKT _ Dave, perhaps easier to consider The remoteRig box that allows you to remote your rig with a single box http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956 http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956 http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956 http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956 cheers - Wim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
On 7/5/2011 2:27 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: Yes, you do need a computer at the operating end. However it is really nice not to need one at the radio end. If the computer crashes you really don't want to have to drive to the mountaintop to reset it. Also having a computer running 14/7 can waste a lot of power. The computer at the operating position can be turned off when you aren't using it. Alan N1AL If you put an IP addressable power strip on the mountain top, you can remotely turn the computer/radio/etc. on and off at will. This can save power. This can give you a remote method for resetting the computer. This can be another way of turning off the radio. Don, N0YE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Don, It is not a good idea to just remove the power from the K3 - just like a computer, it needs to power down gracefully and store some things for the next time it is powered up. The K3 does feature a Remote Power On input that can be used to turn it on. To turn it off remotely, one can use the PS0; command (see the K3 Programmer's reference). A dedicated controller *could* be designed to serve in place of the computer at the remote end, although that would take too much effort IMHO for a one-off installation. A computer is probably the easiest implementation, although as you aptly pointed out, it may need to be reset if it hangs for some reason. In my experience, if the computer is not doing a write function at the time the plug is pulled, it will come up again without incident or damage - so your solution for the computer may be workable. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/5/2011 4:52 PM, Don Nelson wrote: On 7/5/2011 2:27 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: Yes, you do need a computer at the operating end. However it is really nice not to need one at the radio end. If the computer crashes you really don't want to have to drive to the mountaintop to reset it. Also having a computer running 14/7 can waste a lot of power. The computer at the operating position can be turned off when you aren't using it. Alan N1AL If you put an IP addressable power strip on the mountain top, you can remotely turn the computer/radio/etc. on and off at will. This can save power. This can give you a remote method for resetting the computer. This can be another way of turning off the radio. Don, N0YE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Instead of a full blown computer at the remote site why not just design an app for an Ethernut board? If you have IP access to the site then the Ethernut board can run the K3 from firmware. Set the watchdog timer so if there are any glitches it times out and resets the board. Send the commands to the IP address and the Ethernut board parses them and sends them to the K3. Fairly simple app to write should only take a day or two. 73, Kevin. KD5ONS On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:29:58 -0700, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Don, It is not a good idea to just remove the power from the K3 - just like a computer, it needs to power down gracefully and store some things for the next time it is powered up. The K3 does feature a Remote Power On input that can be used to turn it on. To turn it off remotely, one can use the PS0; command (see the K3 Programmer's reference). A dedicated controller *could* be designed to serve in place of the computer at the remote end, although that would take too much effort IMHO for a one-off installation. A computer is probably the easiest implementation, although as you aptly pointed out, it may need to be reset if it hangs for some reason. In my experience, if the computer is not doing a write function at the time the plug is pulled, it will come up again without incident or damage - so your solution for the computer may be workable. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/5/2011 4:52 PM, Don Nelson wrote: On 7/5/2011 2:27 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: Yes, you do need a computer at the operating end. However it is really nice not to need one at the radio end. If the computer crashes you really don't want to have to drive to the mountaintop to reset it. Also having a computer running 14/7 can waste a lot of power. The computer at the operating position can be turned off when you aren't using it. Alan N1AL If you put an IP addressable power strip on the mountain top, you can remotely turn the computer/radio/etc. on and off at will. This can save power. This can give you a remote method for resetting the computer. This can be another way of turning off the radio. Don, N0YE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
On 7/5/2011 2:29 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: A dedicated controller *could* be designed to serve in place of the computer at the remote end, although that would take too much effort IMHO for a one-off installation. www.hamstack.com I know George and John very well [but have no financial interest in their company]. Their HamStack is a very small format, stackable system, programmable in C or Basic [and probably some other languages as well] with all sorts of input/output capabilities. They also build a very comprehensive, modular multi-radio repeater controller that is becoming a standard in the Cactus Intertie [ www.cactus-intertie.org ] 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
I shudder when an engineer or programmer says that. The a day never happens, and the or two is always a gross underestimate. ;-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org On 7/5/2011 2:49 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: Fairly simple app to write should only take a day or two. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Seems to me that with all the recurring interest in remote operation that pops up here and, with the number of people that are thinking about remote as a way to retire to a radio restricted QTH and still get on the radio, that a direct ethernet hook up like the Omni VII has would be a great addition to the K3. I would visualize an internal modem board like Ten-Tec does in the VII that can be assigned it's own IP address and connected directly to the Internet without a computer at the remote location. This would be an option, so not required if someone isn't interested in remote operation - unlike TT. Of course, this can be done now with the Remoterig set up but for a healthy cost. Whereas, the direct ethernet connection with appropriate software (like TT's One Plug) would be easier, neater and a lot cheaper. Rick K6LE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
Plus it is only a few chips on a board to get the job done. Firmware is dead simple too. Simple solution, why hasn't anyone built it yet? Kevin. KD5ONS On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:57:19 -0700, Rick Prather k6limae...@gmail.com wrote: Seems to me that with all the recurring interest in remote operation that pops up here and, with the number of people that are thinking about remote as a way to retire to a radio restricted QTH and still get on the radio, that a direct ethernet hook up like the Omni VII has would be a great addition to the K3. I would visualize an internal modem board like Ten-Tec does in the VII that can be assigned it's own IP address and connected directly to the Internet without a computer at the remote location. This would be an option, so not required if someone isn't interested in remote operation - unlike TT. Of course, this can be done now with the Remoterig set up but for a healthy cost. Whereas, the direct ethernet connection with appropriate software (like TT's One Plug) would be easier, neater and a lot cheaper. Rick K6LE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
I think this may interest some of you...provides for its own IP with no computer and contains the required FCC (if you're a US ham) for failsafe operation... http://www.glentekcorp.com/ 73 de Greg-N4CC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
This would be somewhat advanced, but I'm thinking that with a router capable of running OpenWRT (a Linux distribution for embedded hardware) that a Perl script run as a cron job could query a site like http://www.displaymyip.com/ , scrape the page, and email the IP address every few hours. In fact, that is what I do except the script runs on my workstation and instead of email uploads a small file to my webhost. Fortunately, my ISP's DHCP server has been assigning my router the same address for a while. 73, de Nate N0NB -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
* On 2011 05 Jul 17:58 -0500, Rick Prather wrote: I would visualize an internal modem board like Ten-Tec does in the VII that can be assigned it's own IP address and connected directly to the Internet without a computer at the remote location. This would be an option, so not required if someone isn't interested in remote operation - unlike TT. I like the Ethernet idea, I would rather the rig be placed behind a firewall and the only access be via Secure Shell with public key authentication, or SSL in some way. That might be a bit tricky to setup at first, but I'm sure there is someone out there doing it or who could figure it out with a bit of Perl glue magic. Bundled with Hamlib we have a network daemon, rigctld. It has not been vetted for security and I would not expose it directly to the Internet. I can imagine a capable piece of hardware running OpenWRT (or another router distribution) and Hamlib using a USB-serial converter to talk to the K3 (or any other supported rig or rotor) and then using SSL to handle the connection over the 'Net and then some Javascript on the browser end for a Web based rig control program. That sounds like an interesting hacking project for when I get the time. Sigh... Of course, this can be done now with the Remoterig set up but for a healthy cost. Whereas, the direct ethernet connection with appropriate software (like TT's One Plug) would be easier, neater and a lot cheaper. I won't speculate on the security ramifications, which always exist for any network connected device, but a device like that would need to be vetted rather thoroughly. I'm not the guy to do that, however. :-( 73, de Nate N0NB -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On 7/5/2011 4:00 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: Plus it is only a few chips on a board to get the job done. Firmware is dead simple too. Simple solution, why hasn't anyone built it yet? Oooh and the phrase, only a few chips on a board. I'll skip over the dead simple. Forgive me folks, but I got promoted to Division Chief Engineer ... a little more money, a lot more headaches, and it wasn't worth it, I retired as soon as I could. I'm jaded, I admit it, completion estimates never actually happen, ever, ever. It keeps the contract techs and lawyers busy. We once had a board going into a mobile radio control box. In 4WD trucks ... in 4WD territory. Our creation actually worked, and we were a week ahead of schedule! All our electrical and software tests said it worked. I was pretty happy as, for a final test, I gave it to our Mech E and said, Stick it in your Shake and Bake, and see what comes off, expecting nothing, of course. All the caps came off, at amplitudes and frequencies that coincided with what the 4WD trucks would subject them to. A huge lesson for that Project Engineer -- which was me, and I was 45 by then. All 0.01 mfd caps are not created equal. Almost nothing really important these days that involves technology is done by an individual in isolation. Engineering, all of it, is a team effort, and I submit Elecraft as a huge example ... I happen to personally know a number of the E-folks, and I respect their individual skills, talent, and genius. But I respect them far more for their teamwork. Teamwork kept me and most of my guys alive in war, it still works today. It's just a lot harder than it looks from the head end, and it takes a lot more people to do their jobs to make it all work. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 REMOTE CONTROL
I have replaced a TS-480 with a K3 at W7DXX Remote. The remote base software was built for a Kenwood but works in almost every way with the K3. One major exception is that with the K3 I have no remote S-meter reading. Both Kenwood and the K3 use SM; for the reading and I cannot understand why I am having the problem. Other than this problem, the K3 is awesome and user reports are great. Any thoughts? Keith, W7DXX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 remote control
I'm setting up my station to be able to remotely operate from the office (yes from work!). I have a web power switch that allows me to turn equipment on and off via the internet. But it appears that isn't the recommended method for the K3. The K3 manual?has a reference to turning the radio's power on and off remotely by grounding pin 7 on the ACC connector.Then the manual states that the controller must send the K3 a PS0 remote control command via the RS232 interface. Then deactivate the POWER ON signal. Has anyone had any experience in doing this? In particular, what is the basic code to send the 'PS0 mentioned? Any other tips for operating the K3 remotely would be appreciated. I'm using HRD on my home computer to control the K3 and access that computer over the internet with Log Me In on my laptop to control the home computer. Thanks. 73 de Art KZ5D __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote control
Art, It looks like you have a pc at the remote site. What you need is a parallel relay board, like this one: http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/elec/ck1601.htm . Wire up one of the relays to the remote on pin of the K3. You will find out that most cpu's will trigger all the relays on when you power up, and the relays will stay on, until driven by a program. The really good news is that Simon has a program to control the parallel port in his HRD program. Its called parallel control! You can now use those other relays to control antenna relays and the like at the site. I use the parallel program to turn the K3 on, and switch antennas. I use HRD and IpSound. Works OK. But I am looking at the device made in Sweden, the RemoteRig. If you have a Kenwood TS-480, the control head is actually at your remote (office in your case) location. Now, we just have to get Elecraft to produce a K3 front panel that sends out all the front panel commands as an RS-232 string, and then I could have the feel of the K3 at home. BTW, my second K3 is used only as a 6 meter SSB/digital modes remote base. tom K8TB k...@aol.com wrote: I'm setting up my station to be able to remotely operate from the office (yes from work!). I have a web power switch that allows me to turn equipment on and off via the internet. But it appears that isn't the recommended method for the K3. The K3 manual?has a reference to turning the radio's power on and off remotely by grounding pin 7 on the ACC connector.Then the manual states that the controller must send the K3 a PS0 remote control command via the RS232 interface. Then deactivate the POWER ON signal. Has anyone had any experience in doing this? In particular, what is the basic code to send the 'PS0 mentioned? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
Larry et al, On 4 Mar 2008 at 9:40, Larry Phipps wrote: You can create a one plug by buying a serial device server from someone like Lantronix or Digi for the control portion of the link. It connects to the K3 serial port, and converts it into an ethernet port, which can be plugged into a router/modem. Make sure you get a model that fully supports handshaking if you are using a handshaking line for CW keying or PTT. You connect to the remote port using a com port redirector program, supplied free from Lantronix and others, which creates virtual com ports for you to connect to. we have tried successfully such an approach for remote controlling a transceiver and Pactor Modem via the Internet. I was running Airmail, connected to a virtual port on my PC. This virtual port was bridged over the Internet and forwarded from the distant router to the IP-serial converter. The Ptc-2 modem was connected to the serial port of the converter. I could use all functions of the modem and remote control the transceiver. (38k4 serial Baudrate). Your LP-Bridge sounds very promising - looking forward to all these possibilities when my K3 is here. 73! de Werner OE9FWV -- Free puppies... Part German shepherd - Part stupid dog PGP-Key: http://www.qsl.net/oe9fwv/furlan.asc Fone +43 5522 75013 Fax +43 820 555 85 2621 Mobile +43 664 6340014 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
ab2tc wrote: Hi, Be careful what you ask for; you might get it. When the Ten-tec Omni 7 was announced with an Ethernet port offering direct Internet access, I thought it was a wonderful development. If you really want to go high end, include an optical Ethernet interface. Wired ethernet tends to give problems with RFI. If you hear a steady signal around 14030, that's Ethernet. Cost? Probably too high for comfort for most of us. But you may come across something surplus. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
Some Linksys wireless routers have two serial ports at logic level on the PCB. Linksys firmware doesn't support them. Install OpenWRT and add a couple of level shifters and a mundane router becomes very versatile. Versions 1 to 4 of the WRT54G are compatible with OpenWRT and so is the one I have, WRT54GL. Many more from other manufacturers are supported. http://openwrt.org http://toh.openwrt.org Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
I agree and in so-doing will put more effort into a better product, better prices, etc From: G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why does it need to be in the radio? Do people really want an interference-generating network interface inside the case of the K3? Surely it is not beyond the capability of the ham radio accessories manufacturers to make a small embedded Linux based box using hamlib and a web server that would provide this capability to *any* radio, via the existing serial port. Such a product would enjoy a potentially much larger market than one developed specifically for the K3. - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
Hi, Be careful what you ask for; you might get it. When the Ten-tec Omni 7 was announced with an Ethernet port offering direct Internet access, I thought it was a wonderful development. But a year later, after following the activity on their Yahoo group, I am not so sure anymore. Remember, the engineers at Elecraft and Ten-tec are radio engineers, not Web developers. It's quite clear that the folks at Ten-tec are expending enormous efforts on putting things right in the network world and they are still not there. Somebody - I think it was here - suggested that people with the right expertise develop a small Linux box that would bridge the serial port to Ethernet and that may be a more sensible way to go. Right now I doubt if adding an Ethernet port for the K3 should be the priority task giving the limited engineering resources available. 73 de ab2tc - Knut Not yet an E3 owner but still looking for an excuse to trade up STEPHEN W BANKS wrote: Hi everyone, Can any of you tell me what, if any, possibilities exist for remote control of the K3? Seems like there's been some discussion about it, but I subscribe to the Digest reflector mode and frequently delete a digest forgetting to copy and save a particular post of interest. Just wondering how/if anything is planned for the K3 that will be similar to the OMNI VII One Plug facility. Thanks in advance. 73, Steve Banks K0PQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Remote-Control...-tp15809532p15837912.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
Hi everyone, Can any of you tell me what, if any, possibilities exist for remote control of the K3? Seems like there's been some discussion about it, but I subscribe to the Digest reflector mode and frequently delete a digest forgetting to copy and save a particular post of interest. Just wondering how/if anything is planned for the K3 that will be similar to the OMNI VII One Plug facility. Thanks in advance. 73, Steve Banks K0PQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
At the moment remote control is via the RS232 (COM port) connector, you will eventually be able to control all aspects of the radio. For audio there are various solutions available already. An Ethernet connector / solution has not been suggested so far. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: STEPHEN W BANKS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can any of you tell me what, if any, possibilities exist for remote control of the K3? Seems like there's been some discussion about it, but I subscribe to the Digest reflector mode and frequently delete a digest forgetting to copy and save a particular post of interest. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
I believe Tree, N6TR, is already remoting the K3 using Ham Radio Delux. I think you can also use TRX Manager. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 K3#0009 and 0319 On Mon Mar 3 9:52 , STEPHEN W BANKS sent: Hi everyone, Can any of you tell me what, if any, possibilities exist for remote control of the K3? Seems like there's been some discussion about it, but I subscribe to the Digest reflector mode and frequently delete a digest forgetting to copy and save a particular post of interest. Just wondering how/if anything is planned for the K3 that will be similar to the OMNI VII One Plug facility. Thanks in advance. 73, Steve Banks K0PQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
You might want to go to elecraft.com, click on email list and then search the reflector archives. Probably find exactly what you need that way. Jerry W4UK At 12:52 PM 3/3/2008, STEPHEN W BANKS wrote: Hi everyone, Can any of you tell me what, if any, possibilities exist for remote control of the K3? Seems like there's been some discussion about it, but I subscribe to the Digest reflector mode and frequently delete a digest forgetting to copy and save a particular post of interest. Just wondering how/if anything is planned for the K3 that will be similar to the OMNI VII One Plug facility. Thanks in advance. 73, Steve Banks K0PQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
I vote YES for an Ethernet connector Carry-on Bill Harris w7kxb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control... Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:14:20 +0100 CC: At the moment remote control is via the RS232 (COM port) connector, you will eventually be able to control all aspects of the radio. For audio there are various solutions available already. An Ethernet connector / solution has not been suggested so far. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Control Questions
Maybe option to stop TX unless keepalive CAT command received in the last x seconds. While sending the software could send a keepalive message, maybe (for much later) power down radio as well (assumption is that internet connection lost). Also the ability to disable TX via a hardware jumper - radio can be made available for anyone to use for receiving but without the ability to transmit. Later enable/disable transmit via passwords (for the radio administrator). Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Menu entry; max timeout still TBD. Suggestions? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Control Questions
On Monday 30 April 2007 00:56:51 wayne burdick wrote: Menu entry; max timeout still TBD. Suggestions? Sec. 97.213 Telecommand of an amateur station. (b) Provisions are incorporated to limit transmission by the station to a period of no more than 3 minutes in the event of malfunction in the control link. Three minutes seems to be the maximum to ensure that the operator complies with FCC rules. Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: Remote Control Questions
After listening to the BS7H pile on 20m's today I was reminded that the receiver in my 480 is not all that great. Even with the 500hz crystal filter installed, there were all kinds of artifacts from strong stations transmitting up a few khz. So the K3 has grabbed my attention. A couple of questions that are key to remote operations: 1 - I understand that if I short two pins from the ACC connector on the back I can turn the rig on/off. When shorting those two pins is it momentary or constant. IE if I can turn a relay on and off remotely will that relay need to stay engaged to keep the rig on? A little more info would be helpful. I would rather the rig could be turned on with a software command or the wake on serial suggestion made earlier. 2 - I use the sound card on my pc to send receive audio over the internet. Can I send ssb via the pc mono in on the back of the rig. I would assume so since psk is done in ssb. Rich - N5ZC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Control Questions
On Apr 29, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: After listening to the BS7H pile on 20m's today I was reminded that the receiver in my 480 is not all that great. Even with the 500hz crystal filter installed, there were all kinds of artifacts from strong stations transmitting up a few khz. So the K3 has grabbed my attention. A couple of questions that are key to remote operations: 1 - I understand that if I short two pins from the ACC connector on the back I can turn the rig on/off. When shorting those two pins is it momentary or constant. Momentary (at least 0.5 second). Or you can leave it on permanently, at least until you want to turn the rig off. IE if I can turn a relay on and off remotely will that relay need to stay engaged to keep the rig on? A little more info would be helpful. I would rather the rig could be turned on with a software command or the wake on serial suggestion made earlier. I can't guarantee this right now, but it's on the list. 2 - I use the sound card on my pc to send receive audio over the internet. Can I send ssb via the pc mono in on the back of the rig. I would assume so since psk is done in ssb. Yes. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Control Questions
Speaking of remote control, does the K3 have a watchdog timer to stop transmission after 3 minutes or some adjustable delay? Larry N8LP wayne burdick wrote: On Apr 29, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: After listening to the BS7H pile on 20m's today I was reminded that the receiver in my 480 is not all that great. Even with the 500hz crystal filter installed, there were all kinds of artifacts from strong stations transmitting up a few khz. So the K3 has grabbed my attention. A couple of questions that are key to remote operations: 1 - I understand that if I short two pins from the ACC connector on the back I can turn the rig on/off. When shorting those two pins is it momentary or constant. Momentary (at least 0.5 second). Or you can leave it on permanently, at least until you want to turn the rig off. IE if I can turn a relay on and off remotely will that relay need to stay engaged to keep the rig on? A little more info would be helpful. I would rather the rig could be turned on with a software command or the wake on serial suggestion made earlier. I can't guarantee this right now, but it's on the list. 2 - I use the sound card on my pc to send receive audio over the internet. Can I send ssb via the pc mono in on the back of the rig. I would assume so since psk is done in ssb. Yes. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
