[Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Got it.
Nick, John, Rich, + Proofreading closely makes all things possible. As soon as it was suggested that I might have a coding error, it popped right out at me. I had the macro label in the macro code line. Of course the poor K3 did not know what to do with "10W" etc. Once again, thanks all for the feedback. W0BBI - Bill Rich - K1HTV I followed your instructions for the "K3 Triple Macro" setup but for some reason I cannot get it to work. The macro cycles through the power setting when PF2 is pressed but the actual output power level remains the same, that is it it only affected by adjusting the power level manually. I must be missing something for sure so any additional direction would be helpful. Thanks Bill - W0BBI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro
Nick's suggestion is very worthwhile. Fresh eyes can often help this kind of problem. Yesterday I puzzled for quite a while over a pair of macros without spotting the problem. The DOH! moment came when I finally recognized that I'd entered (and then copied and pasted) MN11O (oh) instead of MN110 (zero). Good thing I never tried to make a living at bit-wrangling. John, KU4AF Pittsboro, NC Bill- There are probably a lot of things that could go wrong. When I did my macro toggle a couple days ago it didn't work at first and after a bit I realized I'd put spaces after the semicolons on the macro code - not allowed! You might copy and paste your code to the list for inspection. 73- Nick, WA5BDU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Triple-Macro-tp7558900p7558921.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro
Bill- There are probably a lot of things that could go wrong. When I did my macro toggle a couple days ago it didn't work at first and after a bit I realized I'd put spaces after the semicolons on the macro code - not allowed! You might copy and paste your code to the list for inspection. 73- Nick, WA5BDU On 7/9/2012 3:43 PM, Bill Wiehe wrote: > Rich - K1HTV > I followed your instructions for the "K3 Triple Macro" setup but for some > reason I cannot get it to work. The macro cycles through the power setting > when PF2 is pressed but the actual output power level remains the same, that > is it it only affected by adjusting the power level manually. I must be > missing something for sure so any additional direction would be helpful. > Thanks > Bill - W0BBI > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version
I believe that John von Neumann or one of the other pioneers of computing thought at one time that the possibility of self-modifying programs was a huge advance made possible by stored-program computers. The program itself could be data! But then someone proved that anything you could do by modifying the program could be done in other ways and people decided that there were lots of downsides to changeable code. On 7/9/2012 3:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > On 7/9/2012 3:10 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> When John KU4AF came up with the original idea on 1 July I was going to post >> that this was one of the greatest ideas to come from the group in the past >> two >> years. Very elegant. And then Rich took it to a higher level. Thanks to both >> of >> you. > > Possibly the universe is circular in some way. I thought self-modifying > code disappeared around 1960 following the invention of index registers. >Now it seems to be back. :-) Very neat trick, John. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 > - www.cqp.org -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version
The keying output is directly tied to the 7R (7 volts receive) line, so it can't be gated internally to the radio. Wayne On Jul 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Rich - K1HTV wrote: > > He asked me if there was a way of deactivating the keying output > signal used to > turn on an external amp via a command that could be imbedded in a > macro. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version
Hi Wayne, My post about the Triple Power Setting Macro inspired Ed, K5EK, to write a macro for setting up various splits (UP1, UP2, UP5). Here is Ed's code. Macro 1 - Up 1 SWT13;SWT13;FT1;UPB4;RT0;XT0;MN110;SWT12;SWT39;SWT14; Macro 2 - Up 2 SWT13;SWT13;FT1;UPB5;RT0;XT0;MN110;SWT13;SWT39;SWT14; Macro 3 - Up 5 SWT13;SWT13;FT1;UPB7;RT0;XT0;MN110;SWT11;SWT39;SWT14; He asked me if there was a way of deactivating the keying output signal used to turn on an external amp via a command that could be imbedded in a macro. Like Ed, I found that there does NOT appear to be a way of disabling the keying signal, other than having to break it with some kind of external mechanical or electronic switch. The signal activates various relays in the amp, but when the amp is warmed up, and only the barefoot K3 is needed, we want to be able to stop the keying signal via the macro that sets the K3 power to 100W. When the K3 is set to amp driving levels (10-20W, set by a macro) we would like to reactivate the keying output signal to turn on the amp when the K3 is transmitting. Is there a hidden command that we folks don't know about that can be used to accomplish the above? If not, we would appreciate it if this request would be considered for a future software revision. Thanks and keep up the great work at Elecraft. 73, Rich - K1HTV = = = -Original Message- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 20:33 To: Rich - K1HTV Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version Rich, This is a very clever use of the K3's macro facility. Here's how it works (for those who are not quite motivated enough to look up all those commands): Each of the three switch macros sets a different power level -- that's the obvious part (PCxxx). Normally, you'd assign each of them to a different programmable switch and leave it at that. Instead, Rich set up the macros so that holding PF2 not only changes the power level, it then *changes* PF2's macro assignment to the next macro in the sequence. The last macro (100 W) "wraps" back to the first macro (10 W). It's a little bit like self-modifying code. Wish I had thought of this myself :) You could use the same technique to set up a single programmable switch to top among a few favorite frequencies, or even bands, on repeated taps. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Rich - K1HTV wrote: > > Macro# Label (10W) (Macro)(6) (PF2H) (Menu) > 5 10W PC010;MN110;SWT29;SWH47;SWT14; > >Label (50W) (Macro)(7) (PF2H) (Menu) > 6 50W PC050;MN110;SWT33;SWH47;SWT14; > > Label (100W) (Macro) (5) (PF2H)(Menu) > 7 100W PC100;MN110;SWT27;SWH47;SWT14; __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version
The EEPROM is specified at 1,000,000 cycles, typical. I think that trumps the switch. Wayne On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:41 PM, valvetb...@netzero.com wrote: > Wayne, > > I assume every time you push the switch, you write to the EEPROM. > What would wear out first, the switch or the EEPROM? I assume it > would be the switch. > > Art WB8ENE > > -- Original Message -- > From: Wayne Burdick > To: "Rich - K1HTV" > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:33:05 -0700 > > Rich, > > This is a very clever use of the K3's macro facility. > > Here's how it works (for those who are not quite motivated enough to > look up all those commands): Each of the three switch macros sets a > different power level -- that's the obvious part (PCxxx). Normally, > you'd assign each of them to a different programmable switch and leave > it at that. Instead, Rich set up the macros so that holding PF2 not > only changes the power level, it then *changes* PF2's macro assignment > to the next macro in the sequence. The last macro (100 W) "wraps" back > to the first macro (10 W). > > It's a little bit like self-modifying code. Wish I had thought of this > myself :) > > You could use the same technique to set up a single programmable > switch to top among a few favorite frequencies, or even bands, on > repeated taps. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Rich - K1HTV wrote: > > > > > Macro# Label (10W) (Macro)(6) (PF2H) (Menu) > > 5 10W PC010;MN110;SWT29;SWH47;SWT14; > > > >Label (50W) (Macro)(7) (PF2H) (Menu) > > 6 50W PC050;MN110;SWT33;SWH47;SWT14; > > > > Label (100W) (Macro) (5) (PF2H)(Menu) > > 7 100W PC100;MN110;SWT27;SWH47;SWT14; > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > consumerproducts.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > ...I thought self-modifying code disappeared.. > Yeah, takes ya back to the days of LISP, doesn't it?! Perl also allows for self-modifying code -- that's how the famous "illegal" RSA Perl script worked. In the really old days, lots of 8080 operating system routines had self-modifying code to save space. It was popular until the side-effects of code maintenance, extensibility and debug-ability overwhelmed it. In this case, it's a very neat solution with numerous uses. Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version
Wayne, I assume every time you push the switch, you write to the EEPROM. What would wear out first, the switch or the EEPROM? I assume it would be the switch. Art WB8ENE -- Original Message -- From: Wayne Burdick To: "Rich - K1HTV" Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:33:05 -0700 Rich, This is a very clever use of the K3's macro facility. Here's how it works (for those who are not quite motivated enough to look up all those commands): Each of the three switch macros sets a different power level -- that's the obvious part (PCxxx). Normally, you'd assign each of them to a different programmable switch and leave it at that. Instead, Rich set up the macros so that holding PF2 not only changes the power level, it then *changes* PF2's macro assignment to the next macro in the sequence. The last macro (100 W) "wraps" back to the first macro (10 W). It's a little bit like self-modifying code. Wish I had thought of this myself :) You could use the same technique to set up a single programmable switch to top among a few favorite frequencies, or even bands, on repeated taps. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Rich - K1HTV wrote: > > Macro# Label (10W) (Macro)(6) (PF2H) (Menu) > 5 10W PC010;MN110;SWT29;SWH47;SWT14; > >Label (50W) (Macro)(7) (PF2H) (Menu) > 6 50W PC050;MN110;SWT33;SWH47;SWT14; > > Label (100W) (Macro) (5) (PF2H)(Menu) > 7 100W PC100;MN110;SWT27;SWH47;SWT14; __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ffb5ec087ace5ec0758bst53vuc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version
On 7/9/2012 3:10 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > When John KU4AF came up with the original idea on 1 July I was going to post > that this was one of the greatest ideas to come from the group in the past two > years. Very elegant. And then Rich took it to a higher level. Thanks to both > of > you. Possibly the universe is circular in some way. I thought self-modifying code disappeared around 1960 following the invention of index registers. Now it seems to be back. :-) Very neat trick, John. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version
When John KU4AF came up with the original idea on 1 July I was going to post that this was one of the greatest ideas to come from the group in the past two years. Very elegant. And then Rich took it to a higher level. Thanks to both of you. Now all we need is room for a few more than only 8 macros in the K3, a thought that John had already alluded to in his message! Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro
Rich - K1HTV I followed your instructions for the "K3 Triple Macro" setup but for some reason I cannot get it to work. The macro cycles through the power setting when PF2 is pressed but the actual output power level remains the same, that is it it only affected by adjusting the power level manually. I must be missing something for sure so any additional direction would be helpful. Thanks Bill - W0BBI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version
Rich, This is a very clever use of the K3's macro facility. Here's how it works (for those who are not quite motivated enough to look up all those commands): Each of the three switch macros sets a different power level -- that's the obvious part (PCxxx). Normally, you'd assign each of them to a different programmable switch and leave it at that. Instead, Rich set up the macros so that holding PF2 not only changes the power level, it then *changes* PF2's macro assignment to the next macro in the sequence. The last macro (100 W) "wraps" back to the first macro (10 W). It's a little bit like self-modifying code. Wish I had thought of this myself :) You could use the same technique to set up a single programmable switch to top among a few favorite frequencies, or even bands, on repeated taps. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Rich - K1HTV wrote: > > Macro# Label (10W) (Macro)(6) (PF2H) (Menu) > 5 10W PC010;MN110;SWT29;SWH47;SWT14; > >Label (50W) (Macro)(7) (PF2H) (Menu) > 6 50W PC050;MN110;SWT33;SWH47;SWT14; > > Label (100W) (Macro) (5) (PF2H)(Menu) > 7 100W PC100;MN110;SWT27;SWH47;SWT14; __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Triple Macro - Corrected version
Thanks to VE3KI who caught a typing error in the second line of commands of the original Triple Macro. The following is a corrected version. 73, Rich - K1HTV = = = After seeing the note about creating a macro to toggle between two power levels on the K3, I thought I would try writing a macro for a triple toggle. With this macro the K3 power output can be toggled between 10W, 50W and 100W using the PF2-HOLD key. If you prefer to TAP instead of HOLD, use one of the M1-4 keys and change the SWH47 to the appropriate "SWTnn" number. Refer to the K3 Macro tutorial. This is being written not only for the K3 users who already know how to write macros, but for those K3 users who have never done so and want to give it a try. So please excuse the extra steps which must be performed that you already know how to do. Assuming that you already have the K3 Utility installed on your computer, turn on your K3. Start the K3 Utility and confirm that your K3 is communicating with your computer. Click the "Test Communications" tab. Click "Port Test Communications". If successful you will get a box indicating so. Click the "Command Tester/K3 Macros" tab. Click "Edit Macro" Use the information below to populate the "Macro Label" boxes and the Macro Commands" boxes for the macro number that you will be using. At K1HTV I used the K3's 5, 6 and 7 macros for the triple power toggle. If you use other ones, change the SWT29, SWT33 and SWT27 to the appropriate numbers for the macro numbers you want to use. You can type in the info below, but you will probably find it easier to simple cut and paste the commands (the ones with the semicolons between) from this document into the K3 Utility macro boxes being used. Macro# Label (10W) (Macro)(6) (PF2H) (Menu) 5 10W PC010;MN110;SWT29;SWH47;SWT14; Label (50W) (Macro)(7) (PF2H) (Menu) 6 50W PC050;MN110;SWT33;SWH47;SWT14; Label (100W) (Macro) (5) (PF2H)(Menu) 7 100W PC100;MN110;SWT27;SWH47;SWT14; After you have filled in the "Macro Label" and :Macro Commands" boxes for Macro 5 (10W), Macro 6 (50W) and Macro 7 (100W) click on "Write Macros 1-8 to K3". Next, at the K3: Hold the MENU key. Rotate the VFO-B dial until "MACRO" appears. Tap the "5" on the keypad so the screen reads "MACRO 5". Hold the PF2 key until "PF2 SET" appears. Tap the MENU key. Hold the MENU key again until MACRO appears. Tap "6" on the keypad so the screen reads "MACRO 6". Hold the PF2 key until "PF2 SET" appears. Tap the MENU key. Tap "7" on the keypad so the screen reads "MACRO 7". Hold the PF2 key until "PF2 SET" appears. Tap the MENU key. Test by holding the PF2 key until either 10W, 50W or 100W appears briefly on the LCD screen. It should toggle between the three power levels each time you HOLD the PF2 key. *** NOTE*** When writing lines of multi-line toggling macros, make sure the number for the macro number following the MN110; is the macro number for the following line or the toggle feature will not work. Hope you find this info useful. 73, Rich - K1HTV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
