Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Let's end this thread immediately, as it was already closed yesterday per my 
earlier list email below.


73,
Eric
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On 8/21/2017 4:28 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
I apologize for not replying to this topic earlier. I was off email for a 
large part of the weekend. :-)


While we appreciate the interest in switching the Elecraft List to a forum 
format, we can not watch all the topics in a multi topic forum. If there are 
web forum topics for every product we make, along with other topics, it will 
quickly be impossible for us to read and participate in all of them.  Also, 
we've observed that when lists like ours fragment into a multi-topic forum, 
they quickly lose the sense of community that we have here.  For those reasons 
we have always chosen to retain the list email format for the Elecraft list.


As noted before, for those that prefer a searchable web based display of this 
list threaded by topic or in calendar date order, the Nabble web based 
real-time archive of the Elecraft list does an excellent job of providing a 
web based searchable and organized copy of this list. This addresses the 
'forum' style need of most readers.


See:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-f365791.topics.html

Many of our users use the Nabble web interface as their primary method of 
reading the Elecraft list.


Let's end this periodically recurring thread at this time.

73,
Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Michael Babineau]

Drew et al : 

The only solution that I can think of that comes close to meeting the criteria 
you mentioned is perhaps Groups.IO.  Many Ham Radio related Yahoo Groups have 
migrated to Groups.IO (including one that I own) and
it has a number of options including email, email digest as well as web-only 
and it has threading based on topic to make facilitate following a 
conversation.  
One nice feature is the ability to create sub-groups that members of the main 
group may choose to subscribe to, which is great for reducing the load on a 
busy group that may have 
discussions on topics that not all members are interested in. Also it has Wiki 
cababilites as well as storage for photos and files and the usual calendar with 
notification options and polling as well. 
The plus over Yahoo is that their search capabilty actually works properly ! 

Migration from Yahoo to Groups.IO is painless but I suspect that it would take 
a fair bit of work to migrate from a list-server such as this group over to 
Groups.IO and I am not sure you could preserve the 
existing postiing history very easily, which is a downside. 

Cheers

Michaell VE3WMB  

>From: Drew AF2Z mailto:pu...@af2z.net>>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?
>Date: August 21, 2017 at 3:37:38 PM GMT-4
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
>Reply-To: pu...@af2z.net <mailto:pu...@af2z.net>


>Main difference to me is that with mail reader software I can use keyboard 
>exclusively. Web forums require mouse pointing/scrolling/clicking which gets 
>on my nerves very quickly. But for some people the mouse is easier.

>The only solution is a good software solution that combines listserv with 
>forum. This still does not exist. In the meantime there's no point trying to 
>convince people that their particular preference must be wrong.


>73,
>Drew
>AF2Z
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Mike Watterson (K3MAW)]

Don,

I do something very similar with my gmail account.  I don't use an email
client, just the web interface.  Having the Elecraft emails its own folder
makes it very easy to scan the subjects for topics of interest.

Mike - K3MAW

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> John,
>
> Actually, I consider using individual emails the easiest way to deal with
> the Elecraft reflector as well as any other email lists and my
> subscriptions to Yahoo groups.
>
> I detest signing onto each message group using a browser.
> My email client (I use Thunderbird), will sort the emails from each group
> into individual folders I have created for each group (Yes, you have to use
> filters to do that).  The messages flow into their own folder leaving my
> inbox clear of all but personal messages and gives me my own "digest" of
> the recent email messages for each group.  I can deal with them as I have
> time.
>
> Recent suggestions to move this list to a forum style would cause me to
> "go away" - sorting through a forum style is cumbersome and not productive
> IMHO.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/19/2017 9:00 AM, John AE5X wrote:
>
>> I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the
>> most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the
>> daily summary email...
>>
>> A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly)  at the
>> list of messages here:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html
>>
>> and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email
>> delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank
>> you.
>>
>> John AE5X
>> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
>> ___
>>
>> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
>>>
>> all lumped in.
>> 
>> 3 Common Foods Surgeons Are Now Calling "Death Foods"
>> Nucific
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599836a050160369f618dst01vuc
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Robert Nobis]

Hi Don,

I do the same thing with individual emails from the various Yahoo groups that I 
subscribe to. Email filtering is the key to effectively managing messages


Bob Nobis 
n7...@nobis.net


> On Aug 21, 2017, at 17:18, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> Actually, I consider using individual emails the easiest way to deal with the 
> Elecraft reflector as well as any other email lists and my subscriptions to 
> Yahoo groups.
> 
> I detest signing onto each message group using a browser.
> My email client (I use Thunderbird), will sort the emails from each group 
> into individual folders I have created for each group (Yes, you have to use 
> filters to do that).  The messages flow into their own folder leaving my 
> inbox clear of all but personal messages and gives me my own "digest" of the 
> recent email messages for each group.  I can deal with them as I have time.
> 
> Recent suggestions to move this list to a forum style would cause me to "go 
> away" - sorting through a forum style is cumbersome and not productive IMHO.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 8/19/2017 9:00 AM, John AE5X wrote:
>> I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the 
>> most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the 
>> daily summary email...
>> A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly)  at the list 
>> of messages here:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html
>> and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email 
>> delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank 
>> you.
>> John AE5X
>> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
>> ___
>>> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
>> all lumped in.
>> 
>> 3 Common Foods Surgeons Are Now Calling "Death Foods"
>> Nucific
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599836a050160369f618dst01vuc
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Don Wilhelm]

John,

Actually, I consider using individual emails the easiest way to deal 
with the Elecraft reflector as well as any other email lists and my 
subscriptions to Yahoo groups.


I detest signing onto each message group using a browser.
My email client (I use Thunderbird), will sort the emails from each 
group into individual folders I have created for each group (Yes, you 
have to use filters to do that).  The messages flow into their own 
folder leaving my inbox clear of all but personal messages and gives me 
my own "digest" of the recent email messages for each group.  I can deal 
with them as I have time.


Recent suggestions to move this list to a forum style would cause me to 
"go away" - sorting through a forum style is cumbersome and not 
productive IMHO.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/19/2017 9:00 AM, John AE5X wrote:

I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the most 
difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the daily 
summary email...

A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly)  at the list of 
messages here:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html

and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email delivery function 
of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank you.

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
___


It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products

all lumped in.

3 Common Foods Surgeons Are Now Calling "Death Foods"
Nucific
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599836a050160369f618dst01vuc
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

I apologize for not replying to this topic earlier. I was off email for a large 
part of the weekend. :-)


While we appreciate the interest in switching the Elecraft List to a forum 
format, we can not watch all the topics in a multi topic forum. If there are web 
forum topics for every product we make, along with other topics, it will quickly 
be impossible for us to read and participate in all of them.  Also, we've 
observed that when lists like ours fragment into a multi-topic forum, they 
quickly lose the sense of community that we have here.  For those reasons we 
have always chosen to retain the list email format for the Elecraft list.


As noted before, for those that prefer a searchable web based display of this 
list threaded by topic or in calendar date order, the Nabble web based real-time 
archive of the Elecraft list does an excellent job of providing a web based 
searchable and organized copy of this list. This addresses the 'forum' style 
need of most readers.


See:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-f365791.topics.html

Many of our users use the Nabble web interface as their primary method of 
reading the Elecraft list.


Let's end this periodically recurring thread at this time.

73,
Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Fred Jensen]

If you have no vision, reading text emails is a lot easier than having 
to mouse around in a forum. I occasionally get an email that my wife 
says is blue print on a beautiful forest green background.  I have no 
color vision and I can't read it, no contrast. The color schemes often 
used in forums regularly provide little or no contrast for me.


The monochrome option for the P3 waterfall makes a huge positive 
difference for me, the one in color is unreadable.  Sometimes simple is 
the best answer.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/21/2017 12:37 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
Main difference to me is that with mail reader software I can use 
keyboard exclusively. Web forums require mouse 
pointing/scrolling/clicking which gets on my nerves very quickly. But 
for some people the mouse is easier.


The only solution is a good software solution that combines listserv 
with forum. This still does not exist. In the meantime there's no 
point trying to convince people that their particular preference must 
be wrong.



73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 08/21/17 12:38, Roger D Johnson wrote:

Let's see

Assuming the computer is running here's what I have to do:

1. Bring up Thunderbird mail program

2. Select Elecraft folder

3. Scroll down and click on the email I want to read.

For Antique Radio Forum, which I like very much, I do this:

1. Bring up ARF

2. Click on topic I want

3. Scroll through and click on email I want to read.

Looks pretty much the same to me except ARF has things neatly 
categorized and

topics that interest me are easy to find.

73, Roger N1RJ




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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Drew AF2Z]

Main difference to me is that with mail reader software I can use 
keyboard exclusively. Web forums require mouse 
pointing/scrolling/clicking which gets on my nerves very quickly. But 
for some people the mouse is easier.


The only solution is a good software solution that combines listserv 
with forum. This still does not exist. In the meantime there's no point 
trying to convince people that their particular preference must be wrong.



73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 08/21/17 12:38, Roger D Johnson wrote:

Let's see

Assuming the computer is running here's what I have to do:

1. Bring up Thunderbird mail program

2. Select Elecraft folder

3. Scroll down and click on the email I want to read.

For Antique Radio Forum, which I like very much, I do this:

1. Bring up ARF

2. Click on topic I want

3. Scroll through and click on email I want to read.

Looks pretty much the same to me except ARF has things neatly 
categorized and

topics that interest me are easy to find.

73, Roger N1RJ




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[Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Reed]

If I want to read Elecraft reflector I just go here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/maillist.html

I don't have any reflector or yahoo groups post go to my email account. 
This avoids filling up your email account or getting stuff you are not 
interested in.  When I return to the reflector it already knows the last 
message I read by high lighting the message unless I clear temp files.


I believe this is why people complain the most, getting email stuff they 
are not interested in.  I just glance at subject & read if interested.


73,

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Roger D Johnson]

Let's see

Assuming the computer is running here's what I have to do:

1. Bring up Thunderbird mail program

2. Select Elecraft folder

3. Scroll down and click on the email I want to read.

For Antique Radio Forum, which I like very much, I do this:

1. Bring up ARF

2. Click on topic I want

3. Scroll through and click on email I want to read.

Looks pretty much the same to me except ARF has things neatly categorized and
topics that interest me are easy to find.

73, Roger N1RJ


On 8/19/2017 2:22 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

Oh, please don't.

A "push" technology, like E-Mail means that more of us will participate.

Web Based forums are a "pull" -- one has to be dedicated enough to go to the 
forum.  It slows the tempo and reduces participation.


It isn't a magic bullet.  People still post in forum sections off topic.

Before I retired, I ran an ISP and did E-Mail professionally, including mail 
filtering.  The greatest tool I found is called PopFile.


PopFile can, with a minimal amount of work, split out mail by product 
mentioned.  You don't have to figure out what keywords to use, you just have 
to move mail that is mis-classified to the right place.  Takes a couple of 
days worth of mail to train to 90% accuracy or so, and not long after before 
it's near 99%.


73 -- Lynn




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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Walter Underwood]

I’m not a big fan of forums, even though I maintained the one used by 5000 
engineers at Hewlett-Packard. I don’t mind the e-mail volume at all. On the 
other hand, I was getting a thousand e-mails a week thirty years ago. The SOTA 
reflector is a list/forum hybrid where you need to log into the forum to post. 
It has some advantages, but it isn’t my favorite.

One old mailing list trick is to have separate lists for announcements and for 
discussion. People who want less traffic could keep up to date by following the 
announce list.

elecraft-announce would be low-volume and could only be posted to by Elecraft 
personnel. It would have announcements of new products, special deals, firmware 
releases, field tester requests, and so on. It might also include information 
about hamfests Elecraft will attend, requests for people to staff the booth 
(replies off list enforced), etc.

elecraft-discuss would be like the current list. Elecraft could decide whether 
to also send announcements to this list. I would be perfectly happy to 
subscribe to both lists in order to get announcements and discussion.

The IETF uses this convention for mailing lists. You can read more here: 
https://www.ietf.org/list/ 

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Dauer, Edward  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Grant and others.  There are advantages to a Forum, but I would 
> regret losing the open-textured character of a reflector.  I think of it as 
> if it were an OTA net among friends and colleagues and potential friends and 
> colleagues with common interests.  Not always very efficient, but a 
> conversational nexus with its own advantages.  
> 
> If I need something very specific there’s always the topical archives.  Or a 
> question to the goup.
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
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[GWK]

Keep the list as at present.  Filter on "Subject = [Elecraft] " will put 
the entire list into a file of your choice.  If we could get everyone to 
include the rig model in their subject line, we could be more specific, 
but of course we probably can't do that.


73 - George  W3HBM



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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Argh!  I will lose access to Elecraft if they move to a "forum".
ALL of my work is done with a traditional e-mail program - I can
not abide the online "forum" software and have dropped various
list when they transitioned to web only forums.

A quality traditional e-mail program provides all the tools necessary to
filter incoming e-mail based on source (e.g. "Elecraft list") as well as
topic/content (e.g., "Subject" or "Body" contains K3 or K3S).  Anyone
using a quality e-mail program has all the tools necessary to create his
own off-line "forum" experience.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/19/2017 10:13 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
While I whole heartedly agree the forum needs looking at, it is after 
all Elecraft's forum, and as such, they get to do with it as they 
please


I will be happy with any result, but I would be happier with a forum 
change.


73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 08/19/2017 07:04 AM, Steve Mollman via Elecraft wrote:
Another vote for a Forum format.  I use forums for several 
specialty/collector cars.  MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the 
subjects that interest me.  Using Nabble to find information is time 
consuming and very awkward.


  Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention 
several times in the past, for some reason they keep shooting it 
down.  It is time to update this to the 21st century.  For a company 
that prides itself on customer service and "friendliness" the present 
method is a failure.



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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

... and while we're on the topic of updating to the 21st century, Morse 
Code goes back to the 19th century.  We really are way past time to do 
away with this archaic system of dots and dashes and move to 21st 
century technology.


See how foolish that sounds?

Seriously folks.  I've been on much busier lists.

If you are using a web-based mail system like Yahoo or GMail, I can see 
how it might be a little inconvenient to just hit "delete."


There are Bayesian Filter classifiers that are incredibly accurate, that 
would split this list out by topic dramatically well.


PopFile will even reach out from your computer, using IMAP, and classify 
mail in your Yahoo or GMail account!


73 -- Lynn

On 8/19/2017 7:04 AM, Steve Mollman via Elecraft wrote:

It is time to update this to the 21st century.

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Oh, please don't.

A "push" technology, like E-Mail means that more of us will participate.

Web Based forums are a "pull" -- one has to be dedicated enough to go to 
the forum.  It slows the tempo and reduces participation.


It isn't a magic bullet.  People still post in forum sections off topic.

Before I retired, I ran an ISP and did E-Mail professionally, including 
mail filtering.  The greatest tool I found is called PopFile.


PopFile can, with a minimal amount of work, split out mail by product 
mentioned.  You don't have to figure out what keywords to use, you just 
have to move mail that is mis-classified to the right place.  Takes a 
couple of days worth of mail to train to 90% accuracy or so, and not 
long after before it's near 99%.


73 -- Lynn


On 8/19/2017 5:12 AM, Barry wrote:

As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic.
It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Edward R Cole]

Ain't broke so why fix it?  I subscribe via the digest as it keeps 
all Elecraft related e-mail in single e-mail instead of spread 
throughout my in-basket.  I subscribe to many other reflectors so I 
do not need this one segmented into many sub-lists.  Do that and I 
will unsubscribe.  I'm mainly here to keep up on Elecraft equipment topics.


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Erik Basilier]

I have my email client set up automatically to move *all* messages from this
list to one folder. Right now I have enough spare time to go to that folder
every day and read what interests me. I guess that is similar to reading the
digest. At times when I am very busy, I just don't look at the Elecraft
folder at all. My inbox doesn't show anything from this list. Sure, I might
miss an important piece of news about a new product, or an important new
feature, etc, but seriously, if I am really busy, I am better off not
knowing about those things. When I again have more time available, I can
easily go back to the Elecraft folder, and read it all, or just search for
interesting keywords. Faster and more convenient than using the archives.
The folder takes up a lot of disk space, but that is cheap nowadays. My
conclusion: The list is fine as it is.

73,
Erik K7TV

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No, you wouldn't have to go to multiple places.  You click your Bookmark for
the Elecraft forum - one place.  If you like to see EVERYTHING that's new,
you click the New Posts button.  If you are only interested in the K3, you
click the K3 subforum that is a link on the main main of the Elecraft forum.

When you're done, you click Mark All Forums Read, and next time you log in,
you see what's new.  

Search is very easy and customizable - by subject, author, title, date
range, etc.  That alone would cut down on considerable traffic, as the same
questions wouldn't be repeated over and over.

It's very easy.  I read probably half a dozen forums (mostly non-ham) and
it's a part of my morning routine.  It's a lot less time consuming and
cumbersome than reading through emails, filters or not.

Of course, the final decision resides with the Elecraft powers-that-be.  It
surprises me that such a customer-friendly and state-of-the-art group hasn't
already taken this step.  Just food for thought...

Barry W2UP


Allan Zadiraka wrote
> Since I own a number of Elecraft products, I am very happy with the 
> current setup.  Separate forums would mean I would have to go to 
> multiple places to follow the different products.  The Elecraft 
> traffic is a minor part of my daily email load (~500/day) and I am 
> interested in seeing trends on other Elecraft products in case I want 
> to evaluate purchasing one.
> 
> zeke
> ab8ou







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[Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Dauer, Edward]

I agree with Grant and others.  There are advantages to a Forum, but I would 
regret losing the open-textured character of a reflector.  I think of it as if 
it were an OTA net among friends and colleagues and potential friends and 
colleagues with common interests.  Not always very efficient, but a 
conversational nexus with its own advantages.  

If I need something very specific there’s always the topical archives.  Or a 
question to the goup.

Ted, KN1CBR


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Brian D]

I like the list as is, but moderation could be tweaked perhaps. I subscribe
(and learn from) several tens of lists. I am subscribed to a few fora, but
very rarely visit them. 

Keep the list as is!


a45wg  wrote:

> I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft
> products. I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum
> approaches.
> 
> I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I  will I ever buy one (Got the
> KX3!!)- but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail,
> the same goes for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters
> and Macro programming.
> 
> Regards to all
> 
>Tim, A45WG
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Tommy]

 Agreed X10! I like this reflector personally.

73!

Tom - KB2SMS

KX2 #01927


On 08/19/2017 11:43 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:

Grant is right on.

As I said in the last one of these discussions, "What's all the fuss 
about?"


If there is a change, please, please, please don't go to Yahoo or 
Google groups.  They are pathetic.


Wes  N7WS


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Richard Lamont]

On 19/08/17 13:12, Barry wrote:
> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. 
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
> 
> Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.

With respect, I disagree. This email list is easy enough to manage if
you use a decent email client, such as Thunderbird. I read 19 different
lists and groups this way, some of them high volume like this one.

For each list, I have filters that automatically sort incoming messages
into one of 19 folders, leaving just non-list stuff in my default inbox.
I then view the lists in 'threaded' mode, and if there's a thread I'm
not following, or if I haven't got time to read the list at all that
day, I just 'mark thread as read' or 'mark all as read'.

A web forum does none of this, and you can only go through the messages
as fast as the forum's web server will let you. It's a thoroughly
inferior way of working.

That said, I wish this list was restricted to Elecraft-related topics
only - there's far too much noise IMHO.


73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Barry]

No, you wouldn't have to go to multiple places.  You click your Bookmark for
the Elecraft forum - one place.  If you like to see EVERYTHING that's new,
you click the New Posts button.  If you are only interested in the K3, you
click the K3 subforum that is a link on the main main of the Elecraft forum. 
When you're done, you click Mark All Forums Read, and next time you log in,
you see what's new.  

Search is very easy and customizable - by subject, author, title, date
range, etc.  That alone would cut down on considerable traffic, as the same
questions wouldn't be repeated over and over.

It's very easy.  I read probably half a dozen forums (mostly non-ham) and
it's a part of my morning routine.  It's a lot less time consuming and
cumbersome than reading through emails, filters or not.

Of course, the final decision resides with the Elecraft powers-that-be.  It
surprises me that such a customer-friendly and state-of-the-art group hasn't
already taken this step.  Just food for thought...

Barry W2UP


Allan Zadiraka wrote
> Since I own a number of Elecraft products, I am very happy with the
> current
> setup.  Separate forums would mean I would have to go to multiple places
> to
> follow the different products.  The Elecraft traffic is a minor part of my
> daily email load (~500/day) and I am interested in seeing trends on other
> Elecraft products in case I want to evaluate purchasing one.
> 
> zeke
> ab8ou 







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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Wes Stewart]

Grant is right on.

As I said in the last one of these discussions, "What's all the fuss about?"

If there is a change, please, please, please don't go to Yahoo or Google 
groups.  They are pathetic.


Wes  N7WS

On 8/19/2017 7:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

Really?  A separate forum for Macros  Would that be TWO forums — one for 
KX3 macros and one for K3 macros?  Or separate forums for the KX# used only for 
a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?

It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper.  Did they write letters to the 
editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested in and 
how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more 
difficult?  Was there a customized option delivered to their door that 
contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to 
read?  Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn’t 
personally interesting?

In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or a 
forum, although my personal preference is the former.  I’d probably read the 
whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might 
be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their personal navel 
in the subject line.

The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and 
just adds to the queue length  …  last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I 
was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)



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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Allan Zadiraka]

Since I own a number of Elecraft products, I am very happy with the current
setup.  Separate forums would mean I would have to go to multiple places to
follow the different products.  The Elecraft traffic is a minor part of my
daily email load (~500/day) and I am interested in seeing trends on other
Elecraft products in case I want to evaluate purchasing one.

zeke
ab8ou



On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Michael Bower  wrote:

> I MUCH prefer the reflector because I don't have to do anything but read
> and/or delete.  I don't have to 'go anywhere' to get the messages.  They
> are in my mailbox.
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN 
> wrote:
>
> > Really?  A separate forum for Macros  Would that be TWO forums — one
> > for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros?  Or separate forums for the KX#
> used
> > only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?
> >
> > It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper.  Did they write letters
> to
> > the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t
> interested
> > in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their
> > life more difficult?  Was there a customized option delivered to their
> door
> > that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they
> > wanted to read?  Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff
> that
> > wasn’t personally interesting?
> >
> > In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or
> > a forum, although my personal preference is the former.  I’d probably
> read
> > the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when
> > there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have
> their
> > personal navel in the subject line.
> >
> > The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered,
> > and just adds to the queue length  …  last time I had that kind of tunnel
> > vision I was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)
> >
> > >
> > > That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests
> > you...  If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums.  If you like
> Macros,
> > sub to a a third forum...
> > >
> > > That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with
> a
> > KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set
> > because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject
> > lines.
> > >
> >
> > Grant NQ5T
> > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Dave Cole]

Hello Grant,

On 08/19/2017 07:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

Really?  A separate forum for Macros  Would that be TWO forums — one for 
KX3 macros and one for K3 macros?  Or separate forums for the KX# used only for 
a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?
You appear to be creating intentionally obfuscated conditions in which 
you can make something appear to not work...  Forums have worked for 
decades...



It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper.  Did they write letters to the 
editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested in and 
how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more 
difficult?  Was there a customized option delivered to their door that 
contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to 
read?  Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn’t 
personally interesting?
If the Internet were a Newspaper then your argument would hold some 
validity, it is however not a newspaper, so your analogy fails, as does 
your argument.  Again, the custom obfuscated conditions to make a point...



In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or a 
forum, although my personal preference is the former.  I’d probably read the 
whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might 
be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their personal navel 
in the subject line.
You get what you want, to see all posts, and others get what they want 
to be able to sort posts...  Good idea!!



The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and 
just adds to the queue length  …  last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I 
was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)
Sigh...  Insulting people for making suggestions is probably not the way 
to win them over to your point...  A reasoned argument is better.


73s and thanks,
Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Michael Walker]

Email works for me.  Easy to delete.  Easy to search.  Easy to catalog.

The advantage of using Gmail.  Zero Spam.

It gets pushed to me and I don't have to go looking for it.

Mike va3mw


On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Philip Anderson  wrote:

> I was going to suggest splitting the list into 2 lists - a high volume
> list for general chit-chat, and a low volume list that's restricted to only
> discussing technical questions with Elecraft products.
>
>
> I'm not interested in things like the eclipse in america, and would like
> to unsubscribe from such content directly into my inbox.
>
>
> I guess the discussion could be further threaded by creating separate
> lists for separate Elecraft products (or groups of products) - if it was
> preferred to stick with a "push" email system and not go with a forum.
>
>
> phil G4PWO
>
>
>
> On 19/08/2017 13:12, Barry wrote:
>
>> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more
>> traffic.
>> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
>> all lumped in.
>>
>> Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
>> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
>> and choose topics of interest.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Barry W2UP
>>
>>
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[Michael Bower]

I MUCH prefer the reflector because I don't have to do anything but read
and/or delete.  I don't have to 'go anywhere' to get the messages.  They
are in my mailbox.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN 
wrote:

> Really?  A separate forum for Macros  Would that be TWO forums — one
> for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros?  Or separate forums for the KX# used
> only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?
>
> It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper.  Did they write letters to
> the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested
> in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their
> life more difficult?  Was there a customized option delivered to their door
> that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they
> wanted to read?  Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that
> wasn’t personally interesting?
>
> In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or
> a forum, although my personal preference is the former.  I’d probably read
> the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when
> there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their
> personal navel in the subject line.
>
> The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered,
> and just adds to the queue length  …  last time I had that kind of tunnel
> vision I was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)
>
> >
> > That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests
> you...  If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums.  If you like Macros,
> sub to a a third forum...
> >
> > That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a
> KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set
> because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject
> lines.
> >
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Really?  A separate forum for Macros  Would that be TWO forums — one for 
KX3 macros and one for K3 macros?  Or separate forums for the KX# used only for 
a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?

It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper.  Did they write letters to the 
editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested in and 
how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more 
difficult?  Was there a customized option delivered to their door that 
contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to 
read?  Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn’t 
personally interesting?

In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or a 
forum, although my personal preference is the former.  I’d probably read the 
whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might 
be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their personal navel 
in the subject line.  

The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and 
just adds to the queue length  …  last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I 
was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)

> 
> That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests 
> you...  If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums.  If you like Macros, 
> sub to a a third forum...
> 
> That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a KX3, 
> (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set because 
> people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject lines.
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Philip Anderson]

I was going to suggest splitting the list into 2 lists - a high volume 
list for general chit-chat, and a low volume list that's restricted to 
only discussing technical questions with Elecraft products.



I'm not interested in things like the eclipse in america, and would like 
to unsubscribe from such content directly into my inbox.



I guess the discussion could be further threaded by creating separate 
lists for separate Elecraft products (or groups of products) - if it was 
preferred to stick with a "push" email system and not go with a forum.



phil G4PWO



On 19/08/2017 13:12, Barry wrote:

As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic.
It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Roger D Johnson]

I really like the format on Antique Radios:

http://antiqueradios.com/forums/

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[john]

I concur. I also read the archives and it just saved me from deleting the
three dozen eclipse posts that have nothing to do with Elecraft.
Unfortunately I do not see a good way to search the archives, it is quite
easy to do with the lists on contesting.com.


John  KK9A


John AE5X wrote:
Sat Aug 19 09:00:32 EDT 2017


I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the
most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the
daily summary email...

A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly)  at the list
of messages here:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html

and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email
delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank
you.

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Dave Cole]

That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests 
you...  If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums.  If you like 
Macros, sub to a a third forum...


That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a 
KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set 
because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject 
lines.


73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 08/19/2017 07:05 AM, a45wg wrote:

I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft products. 
I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum approaches.

I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I  will I ever buy one (Got the KX3!!)- 
but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail, the same goes 
for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters and Macro 
programming.

Regards to all

Tim, A45WG



On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

Respectfully-- of course there will be a change.  As KX3 owners move to the 
proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 forums the 
entire feel of the list will change.  That was, I believe, the idea behind the 
OPs original suggestion, which I support.

Soapbox mode on:

Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all the posts 
foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes...

Soapbox mode off


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Dave Cole]

While I whole heartedly agree the forum needs looking at, it is after 
all Elecraft's forum, and as such, they get to do with it as they 
please


I will be happy with any result, but I would be happier with a forum change.

73s and thanks,
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On 08/19/2017 07:04 AM, Steve Mollman via Elecraft wrote:

Another vote for a Forum format.  I use forums for several specialty/collector 
cars.  MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the subjects that interest me.  
Using Nabble to find information is time consuming and very awkward.

  Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention several times in the 
past, for some reason they keep shooting it down.  It is time to update this to the 21st 
century.  For a company that prides itself on customer service and 
"friendliness" the present method is a failure.


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[a45wg]

I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft products. 
I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum approaches.

I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I  will I ever buy one (Got the KX3!!)- 
but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail, the same goes 
for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters and Macro 
programming.

Regards to all

   Tim, A45WG


> On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
> 
> Respectfully-- of course there will be a change.  As KX3 owners move to the 
> proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 forums the 
> entire feel of the list will change.  That was, I believe, the idea behind 
> the OPs original suggestion, which I support.
> 
> Soapbox mode on:
> 
> Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all the 
> posts foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes...
> 
> Soapbox mode off
> 
> 
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Steve Mollman via Elecraft]

Another vote for a Forum format.  I use forums for several specialty/collector 
cars.  MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the subjects that interest me.  
Using Nabble to find information is time consuming and very awkward. 

 Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention several 
times in the past, for some reason they keep shooting it down.  It is time to 
update this to the 21st century.  For a company that prides itself on customer 
service and "friendliness" the present method is a failure.


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[Dave Cole]

Respectfully-- of course there will be a change.  As KX3 owners move to 
the proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 
forums the entire feel of the list will change.  That was, I believe, 
the idea behind the OPs original suggestion, which I support.


Soapbox mode on:

Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all 
the posts foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes...


Soapbox mode off


73s and thanks,
Dave
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[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Meh …

I use several forums for a range of topics I have an interest in — ham and not 
ham — they also have their plusses and minuses.  And I fully agree that 
conversion to a forum structure will significantly alter the kind of 
interaction that takes place.

I subscribe to several active reflectors, and don’t feel much sympathy for 
folks who complain about how difficult  it makes their lives to sort through 
their inbox from just this ONE ;-)  Most of the time It isn’t very busy on a 
relative basis :-)

And like other comments, once I have to actually visit a forum because I've 
shut down the feed on individual messages, or just occasionally visit the 
archives of a reflector to see what’s been going on, it’s a good sign I’m 
losing interest and eventually just drop out.




> If someone joins a forum but most of their traffic comes to their inbox,
> the forum activity will be muted in the continuing flood of emails. I've
> done this myself when I lose interest in something I subscribe to; change
> to "forum only" so I have to go to the forum (and of course never do).
> 
> This is a big change to those accustomed to getting inbox traffic. I
> guarantee there will be either a falloff or a shift in the dynamic of the
> community.
> 
> 

Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Jamie WW3S]

where's the LIKE Button ?!?!?!1

-Original Message- 
From: Clay Autery

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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum 
instead?


I've enjoyed the reflector approach.  The forum would allow for more
classification and potentially easier searching, but I believe we'll
lose responsiveness and "that something" that I sense here on the reflector.

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On 8/19/2017 7:12 AM, Barry wrote:
As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more 
traffic.

It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

Barry W2UP


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[Clay Autery]

I've enjoyed the reflector approach.  The forum would allow for more
classification and potentially easier searching, but I believe we'll
lose responsiveness and "that something" that I sense here on the reflector.

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On 8/19/2017 7:12 AM, Barry wrote:
> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. 
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
>
> Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Barry W2UP

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[rich hurd WC3T]

Therein lies the age old conundrum.  Do you use a "pull" mechanism (a
forum) requiring a subscriber to go get the information from the site, or a
"push" mechanism where the data shows up in the inbox?

I've been both a forum admin (even a sysop at CompuServe) and an email
admin, so I've dealt with both.

If someone joins a forum but most of their traffic comes to their inbox,
the forum activity will be muted in the continuing flood of emails. I've
done this myself when I lose interest in something I subscribe to; change
to "forum only" so I have to go to the forum (and of course never do).

This is a big change to those accustomed to getting inbox traffic. I
guarantee there will be either a falloff or a shift in the dynamic of the
community.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 08:12 Barry  wrote:

> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic.
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
>
> Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Barry W2UP
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[Steve Sergeant]

Like other email lists which convert to a forum, it would change the
whole character of the group and interactions. In my mind it would make
it less social, less friendly, and fewer people would bother to share
their knowledge and experience. I would only visit such a forum if I had
my own specific question to ask or problem to solve; I wouldn't think to
just cruise it to look for ways to help others.

The answer to the problem you describe is for people to get real email
clients with filtering and threading, and to learn how to use them.

Even with Thunderbird, which is just an OK email client, I can easily
manage to volume on this list. I filter all messages to its own separate
mailbox, and they age-off (are deleted) automatically when they're older
than about six weeks.


On 8/19/17 5:12 AM, Barry wrote:
> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. 
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
> 
> Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Barry W2UP
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[John AE5X]

I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the most 
difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the daily 
summary email...

A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly)  at the list of 
messages here:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html

and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email 
delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank you.

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[Dave Cole]

I heartedly agree, at an average of around 1000 messages per month, it 
is getting very difficult to just hit delete, or filter out the vast 
number of OT messages...


Having sub forums would be wonderful.

73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 08/19/2017 05:12 AM, Barry wrote:

As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic.
It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

Barry W2UP



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[Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Barry]

As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. 
It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

Barry W2UP



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