Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
"If your antenna is actually struck by lightning, the antenna itself will most likely be destroyed, along with the coax and the rig. Also the building will suffer structural damage." == 1980's Lightning Strike Shelby, Ohio Random wire to old oak tree in back yardVaporized 2m 1/4 antenna coat hanger wire in SO239-antenna survived but RG58 coax vaporized to chunks of insulation with longest about 1 inch in length--no metal left Trapped ground mounted vertical--arced over leaving carbon track in base part Splintered charred wood where conductors came in thru wood at window of house. No Radio damage because all antennas were disconnected just inside window---was lucky that indoors escaped damage. Submersible water pump and cordless phone base unit zapped also Paul WD8OJL KX1 SN1082 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
May your good luck continue. 73 Steve AA4AK At 05:29 PM 9/1/2005 -0700, Earl W Cunningham wrote: Stephen W. Kercel wrote: "If your antenna is actually struck by lightning, the antenna itself will most likely be destroyed, along with the coax and the rig. Also the building will suffer structural damage." == In the 8 years that I lived near the Gulf Coast in Texas as W5RTQ (lots of lightning there), my tower and antenna took many lightning hits with no damage to anything whatsoever. The antenna coax was always connected to the rig. In the 29 years I've lived here in the Mojave Desert (lightning is rare here), my tower(s)/antenna(s) have been struck twice by lightning with no damage to anything whatsoever. I should mention that the towers involved had extensive buried ground radial systems made up of bare wire (I shunt feed my towers on 160/80 meters). I assume that my well-grounded towers attract lightning, but obviously that lightning is safely conducted to ground. 73, de Earl, K6SE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
Stephen W. Kercel wrote: "If your antenna is actually struck by lightning, the antenna itself will most likely be destroyed, along with the coax and the rig. Also the building will suffer structural damage." == In the 8 years that I lived near the Gulf Coast in Texas as W5RTQ (lots of lightning there), my tower and antenna took many lightning hits with no damage to anything whatsoever. The antenna coax was always connected to the rig. In the 29 years I've lived here in the Mojave Desert (lightning is rare here), my tower(s)/antenna(s) have been struck twice by lightning with no damage to anything whatsoever. I should mention that the towers involved had extensive buried ground radial systems made up of bare wire (I shunt feed my towers on 160/80 meters). I assume that my well-grounded towers attract lightning, but obviously that lightning is safely conducted to ground. 73, de Earl, K6SE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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> > I don't think that's quite true. BC stations survive direct hits every > day. > well ... sort of. I used to make a reasonable living repairing BC stations in upstate NY. Got real good at repairing HV power supplies. It is fun to stand at the base of an AM tower and watch the arc fly across the lightening arrestor. Sure helps one remember to lock the dog house gate when you leave. :) ... That was back when a 1st phone ticket was valuable. Mark AD5SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Vic: Certainly I agree; likewise substations and skyscrapers take hits fairly often. Let me qualify my comments by two clarifications: 1) You can design to survive an "average" direct hit. While the cost to do so can be met by commercial broadcasters, power companies, and commercial real estate operators, it is utterly out of reach of practically all hams. 2) Even in a commercial setup, you cannot design to be completely lightning proof. You can design to withstand a certain stroke current, perhaps a current that is higher than that found in 99.% of strokes in your region. If so you still have a one in a million chance of being wiped out, pretty good (if perhaps prohibitively expensive) odds, but not dead-certain protection. 73, Steve AA4AK At 03:15 PM 9/1/2005 -0700, Vic K2VCO wrote: Stephen W. Kercel wrote: BTW, you cannot really design to survive a direct hit. If your antenna is actually struck by lightning, the antenna itself will most likely be destroyed, along with the coax and the rig. Also the building will suffer structural damage. I don't think that's quite true. BC stations survive direct hits every day. I would agree, however, that it would cost more than most hams are willing to spend. You would need an antenna some distance from the building, with an appropriate lightning ground system (multiple radials, each with several ground rods on it) at the base of the tower. Then you would need lightning suppressors at the top and bottom of the tower for all coax and control lines. At the entrance to the building, you would need a single entrance panel, through which all power, antenna, telephone, etc. lines feeding the building would pass and on which were mounted the appropriate suppressors for all the above. At this point there would be another ground system, bonded of course to the antenna ground system. If you had a separate building for a shack, this probably wouldn't be too hard; but for a building that also serves as a home it might be difficult! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
Stephen W. Kercel wrote: BTW, you cannot really design to survive a direct hit. If your antenna is actually struck by lightning, the antenna itself will most likely be destroyed, along with the coax and the rig. Also the building will suffer structural damage. I don't think that's quite true. BC stations survive direct hits every day. I would agree, however, that it would cost more than most hams are willing to spend. You would need an antenna some distance from the building, with an appropriate lightning ground system (multiple radials, each with several ground rods on it) at the base of the tower. Then you would need lightning suppressors at the top and bottom of the tower for all coax and control lines. At the entrance to the building, you would need a single entrance panel, through which all power, antenna, telephone, etc. lines feeding the building would pass and on which were mounted the appropriate suppressors for all the above. At this point there would be another ground system, bonded of course to the antenna ground system. If you had a separate building for a shack, this probably wouldn't be too hard; but for a building that also serves as a home it might be difficult! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
Eric/Nick: Both of you are right about not trusting the "cone of protection." It is widely used in the power industry for the design of shield wires on HV/EHV transmission lines and in substations. Where that concept came from was a set of tabletop experiments conducted by Westinghouse several generations ago. However, it is well known within the power industry that the "shielding angles" are only valid for geometries very close to those in the Westinghouse test setup. Then it gets worse. The shielding angle only gives you a prediction of probability of a hit. It is more probable outside the cone of protection than inside. However, one actual hit no matter how improbable will ruin your whole day. BTW, you cannot really design to survive a direct hit. If your antenna is actually struck by lightning, the antenna itself will most likely be destroyed, along with the coax and the rig. Also the building will suffer structural damage. Inductance comes in two flavors and both of them will bite you. The pulse of current in a lightning stroke is a broadband signal with a peak in the neighborhood of 500 kHz. The problem is that the reactance to a 500 KHz signal arising from the self-inductance in a long ground lead may be high enough that the surge might seek a lower impedance path to ground, like maybe through your rig. That is why you need to have a short direct connection from your transmission line to the ground rod located well away from the rig. The other problem is the one that Nick refers to, mutual inductive coupling. A wavelength at 500 kHz is 600 meters (and a sixth of a wavelength is obviously 100 meters) This is important because, for electromagnetic effects, the induction field is significant out to 1/6 of a wavelength, and trails off rapidly further out. In other words, if lightning strikes anywhere within 100 meters of your station, a replica of the wave will be coupled into every conductor in your station. In the worst case scenario (a super stroke) the peak current can be several hundred kA. The coupling is inefficient; thus, maybe only a few to a few hundred amps gets coupled into your station. This is what happens when your rig gets burned up, but the foundation of your house did not crack. Near misses can be protected against (somewhat) by short direct ground connections. 73 Steve Kercel AA4AK At 09:24 PM 9/1/2005 +0100, Nick Waterman wrote: Eric J wrote: There is a "cone of protection", they say, around a high point with an angle of 45 degrees. I wouldn't tempt it myself. However, I'm near the base of a 1900' peak and I've watched lightning hit the peak, but have never seen lightning anywhere near the area surrounding the peak. I believe in the theory, but still... There's still this thing called INDUCTANCE, and I've not done the maths, but 25 kiloAmps (there's a unit you don't often use!) in one "wire", maybe 100m away from the wire connected to your rig... The web has figures around 500 GW. Would you let someone transmit that kinda power into a 3 mile antenna within a mile of your expensive kit? No thanks! -- "Nosey" Nick Waterman, Senior Sysadmin. #include [EMAIL PROTECTED] False hope is better than no hope at all. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
Eric J wrote: There is a "cone of protection", they say, around a high point with an angle of 45 degrees. I wouldn't tempt it myself. However, I'm near the base of a 1900' peak and I've watched lightning hit the peak, but have never seen lightning anywhere near the area surrounding the peak. I believe in the theory, but still... There's still this thing called INDUCTANCE, and I've not done the maths, but 25 kiloAmps (there's a unit you don't often use!) in one "wire", maybe 100m away from the wire connected to your rig... The web has figures around 500 GW. Would you let someone transmit that kinda power into a 3 mile antenna within a mile of your expensive kit? No thanks! -- "Nosey" Nick Waterman, Senior Sysadmin. #include [EMAIL PROTECTED] False hope is better than no hope at all. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
On Tuesday 30 August 2005 23:13, Bill Coleman wrote: > The only time I've suffered any lightning damage is when my antennas > were disconnected for Field Day. It wasn't a direct hit, but an > induced strike that took out about 45 feet of open wire line by > vaporizing both conductors. Bill, In August 2003 I had a near lightning strike: about 120 feet from the house. The doorbell rang, the garage door opener was fried, a relay in my grounded manual ASTU was blackened, all the CRT displays in the house needed degaussing, the cable modem and the router were fried. It's the EMP that puts whole multiple of amps through any moderately long wire nearby by magnetic induction if there is a conductive path. Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, PP-ASEL -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
On Aug 30, 2005, at 4:18 AM, Nick Waterman wrote: Serious? What's more likely to be hit by lightning? A big, high-up, earthed conductor, or a big, high-up conductor who's potential is allowed to drift around a bit? The only time I've suffered any lightning damage is when my antennas were disconnected for Field Day. It wasn't a direct hit, but an induced strike that took out about 45 feet of open wire line by vaporizing both conductors. In fact, when scientists want to study lightning, don't they do it by attaching earthed wires to fireworks and shooting them into thunderclouds? Yes, they do. You might be right, but I'd like to understand why - it sounds like you'd be making an almost ideal lightning target :-) I don't pretend to understand everything about lightning, since it is an odd subject. However, grounding lowers the effective height of the antennas by making it have the same potential as the ground. A disconnected antenna can float and build up considerable charge, which will make it a target. Some contesters in the mid-west have told tales of big storms approaching, only to have the lightning stop as it passes over their multiple, grounded tower installations and then resume after it drifts past. The grounding tends to bleed off any charge that would preceed a strike. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
There is a "cone of protection", they say, around a high point with an angle of 45 degrees. I wouldn't tempt it myself. However, I'm near the base of a 1900' peak and I've watched lightning hit the peak, but have never seen lightning anywhere near the area surrounding the peak. I believe in the theory, but still... Eric KE6US www.ke6us.com From: Nick Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Paul Bruneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:41:15 +0100 Paul Bruneau wrote: You might be right, but I'd like to understand why - it sounds like you'd be making an almost ideal lightning target :-) I think it's already a target, being a conductor in the sky and all, and [...] That's how I think of it, but having said all that, I'm in a nice low area that never ever gets struck, so I don't worry about it. I remember operating VHF, hearing a thunderstorm in the distance and thinking it was time I shut down, and just before ending my QSO, realising I was chatting to a chap who's QTH was in Guildford - the direction of the oncoming thunderstorm. "Aren't you shutting down? That thunderstorm must be almost on top of you?", "Oh it's all around me, but I've got Guildford Cathedral almost outside my window and a few hundred feet above me, so I figure it's gonna get hit and I'm not!". Nutter! :-) -- "Nosey" Nick Waterman, Senior Sysadmin. #include [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wait, it will go away. (Hellrung's Rule) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
Paul Bruneau wrote: You might be right, but I'd like to understand why - it sounds like you'd be making an almost ideal lightning target :-) I think it's already a target, being a conductor in the sky and all, and [...] That's how I think of it, but having said all that, I'm in a nice low area that never ever gets struck, so I don't worry about it. I remember operating VHF, hearing a thunderstorm in the distance and thinking it was time I shut down, and just before ending my QSO, realising I was chatting to a chap who's QTH was in Guildford - the direction of the oncoming thunderstorm. "Aren't you shutting down? That thunderstorm must be almost on top of you?", "Oh it's all around me, but I've got Guildford Cathedral almost outside my window and a few hundred feet above me, so I figure it's gonna get hit and I'm not!". Nutter! :-) -- "Nosey" Nick Waterman, Senior Sysadmin. #include [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wait, it will go away. (Hellrung's Rule) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
A couple of weeks ago I was walking across the parking lot to our apt. and one clap of lightening hit right over my head... I was using an umbrella. Then a few seconds later there was a clap of lightening right over the top of my Gap Challenger antenna but nothing seemed to be harmed... Me or the antenna. Paul Gates K1 #0231 KX1 #1186 XG1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Paul Bruneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 > On Aug 30, 2005, at 4:18 AM, Nick Waterman wrote: > > > Bill Coleman wrote: > >>> Antennas where disconnected and the house next door took the direct > >>> hit > >>> and blew a big chunk out of the back of the house. > >> Don't just disconnect your antennas - GROUND them. > >> Possibly would have saved your rig. > > > > Serious? > > > > What's more likely to be hit by lightning? A big, high-up, earthed > > conductor, or a big, high-up conductor who's potential is allowed to > > drift around a bit? > > > > In fact, when scientists want to study lightning, don't they do it by > > attaching earthed wires to fireworks and shooting them into > > thunderclouds? > > > > You might be right, but I'd like to understand why - it sounds like > > you'd be making an almost ideal lightning target :-) > > I think it's already a target, being a conductor in the sky and all, > and nothing short of taking it down will change that (the lightning > would much rather go through metal for some distance rather than air). > > The question is, is it a target that is open at the bottom, very near > your rig, with lightning shooting out of it across your desk, looking > for a place to go? > > Or is it a target that is grounded at the bottom, giving the lightning > someplace to go that isn't your rig? > > That's how I think of it, but having said all that, I'm in a nice low > area that never ever gets struck, so I don't worry about it. > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
On Aug 30, 2005, at 4:18 AM, Nick Waterman wrote: Bill Coleman wrote: Antennas where disconnected and the house next door took the direct hit and blew a big chunk out of the back of the house. Don't just disconnect your antennas - GROUND them. Possibly would have saved your rig. Serious? What's more likely to be hit by lightning? A big, high-up, earthed conductor, or a big, high-up conductor who's potential is allowed to drift around a bit? In fact, when scientists want to study lightning, don't they do it by attaching earthed wires to fireworks and shooting them into thunderclouds? You might be right, but I'd like to understand why - it sounds like you'd be making an almost ideal lightning target :-) I think it's already a target, being a conductor in the sky and all, and nothing short of taking it down will change that (the lightning would much rather go through metal for some distance rather than air). The question is, is it a target that is open at the bottom, very near your rig, with lightning shooting out of it across your desk, looking for a place to go? Or is it a target that is grounded at the bottom, giving the lightning someplace to go that isn't your rig? That's how I think of it, but having said all that, I'm in a nice low area that never ever gets struck, so I don't worry about it. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
Bill Coleman wrote: Antennas where disconnected and the house next door took the direct hit and blew a big chunk out of the back of the house. Don't just disconnect your antennas - GROUND them. Possibly would have saved your rig. Serious? What's more likely to be hit by lightning? A big, high-up, earthed conductor, or a big, high-up conductor who's potential is allowed to drift around a bit? In fact, when scientists want to study lightning, don't they do it by attaching earthed wires to fireworks and shooting them into thunderclouds? You might be right, but I'd like to understand why - it sounds like you'd be making an almost ideal lightning target :-) -- "Nosey" Nick Waterman, Senior Sysadmin. #include [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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On Aug 29, 2005, at 11:17 AM, David wrote: Antennas where disconnected and the house next door took the direct hit and blew a big chunk out of the back of the house. Don't just disconnect your antennas - GROUND them. Possibly would have saved your rig. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Mercy, Mercy That is terrible And also sorry about no YL! Paul Gates K1 #0231 KX1 #1186 XG1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message Follows From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Paul Gates'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Subject: RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:17:53 -0400 Okay radios where turned off Antennas where disconnected and the house next door took the direct hit and blew a big chunk out of the back of the house. It appears that the blast came in through my astron rs35 which was toasted by the strike. And I don't have a yl to tell. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gates Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 You are probably correct but why was lightening allowed to enter this chap's first K2. Was that the only good reason he could think of to tell his yl that he needed to build another one? Just wondering. Remember inquiring minds need to know. LOL! Paul Paul Gates K1 #0231 KX1 #1186 XG1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message Follows From: James Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'David' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'K. J.'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:05:32 -0400 Every cloud has it's silver lining - have fun building that second K2! 73, James Kern KB2FCV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM To: 'K. J.'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 Well I have ordered a second k2. my first k2 got hit with lightning so now I get to repair the first but the insurance is paying for another cause I don't know if the first is repairable. But I do get to have the fun of building a second k2. see ya 73's N1IB David Schornak K2 03027 K2 0 www.n1ib.com www.n1ib.com/blog/ www.n1ib.com/leather/ arf don't forget me Mis Ginger ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
Okay radios where turned off Antennas where disconnected and the house next door took the direct hit and blew a big chunk out of the back of the house. It appears that the blast came in through my astron rs35 which was toasted by the strike. And I don't have a yl to tell. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gates Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 You are probably correct but why was lightening allowed to enter this chap's first K2. Was that the only good reason he could think of to tell his yl that he needed to build another one? Just wondering. Remember inquiring minds need to know. LOL! Paul Paul Gates K1 #0231 KX1 #1186 XG1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message Follows From: James Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'David' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'K. J.'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:05:32 -0400 Every cloud has it's silver lining - have fun building that second K2! 73, James Kern KB2FCV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM To: 'K. J.'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 Well I have ordered a second k2. my first k2 got hit with lightning so now I get to repair the first but the insurance is paying for another cause I don't know if the first is repairable. But I do get to have the fun of building a second k2. see ya 73's N1IB David Schornak K2 03027 K2 0 www.n1ib.com www.n1ib.com/blog/ www.n1ib.com/leather/ arf don't forget me Mis Ginger ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
You are probably correct but why was lightening allowed to enter this chap's first K2. Was that the only good reason he could think of to tell his yl that he needed to build another one? Just wondering. Remember inquiring minds need to know. LOL! Paul Paul Gates K1 #0231 KX1 #1186 XG1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message Follows From: James Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'David' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'K. J.'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:05:32 -0400 Every cloud has it's silver lining - have fun building that second K2! 73, James Kern KB2FCV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM To: 'K. J.'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 Well I have ordered a second k2. my first k2 got hit with lightning so now I get to repair the first but the insurance is paying for another cause I don't know if the first is repairable. But I do get to have the fun of building a second k2. see ya 73's N1IB David Schornak K2 03027 K2 0 www.n1ib.com www.n1ib.com/blog/ www.n1ib.com/leather/ arf don't forget me Mis Ginger ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
I was told by my agent that they would have covered the my labor if I had asked for it but I did not because it was just to much fun to build and they are letting me the damaged equipment and I think I can rebuild the first k2 and get it working a hundred percent. It is all covered by my home owners insurance -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Rairdin Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:15 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 > Well I have ordered a second k2. my first k2 got hit with lightning > so now I get to repair the first but the insurance is paying for > another cause I don't know if the first is repairable. I'm curious if insurance covered any cost of building or did they just cover the cost of the kit? Was it your homeowners insurance or special coverage on your radios? Craig NZ0R K1 #1966 K2/100 #4941 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
That's what started it all - the silver lining is one heck of a good conductor... :-) Mike AB3AP On Mon 29-Aug-05 at 1005 EDT, James Kern wrote: > Every cloud has it's silver lining - have fun building that second K2! > > 73, > > James Kern KB2FCV > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM > To: 'K. J.'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 > > > Well I have ordered a second k2. my first k2 got hit with lightning so now I > get to repair the first but the insurance is paying for another cause I > don't know if the first is repairable. But I do get to have the fun of > building a second k2. > > see ya > > 73's > N1IB > David Schornak > K2 03027 > K2 0 > > www.n1ib.com > www.n1ib.com/blog/ > www.n1ib.com/leather/ > > arf > don't forget me > Mis Ginger ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
> Well I have ordered a second k2. my first k2 got hit with lightning > so now I get to repair the first but the insurance is paying for > another cause I don't know if the first is repairable. I'm curious if insurance covered any cost of building or did they just cover the cost of the kit? Was it your homeowners insurance or special coverage on your radios? Craig NZ0R K1 #1966 K2/100 #4941 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2
Every cloud has it's silver lining - have fun building that second K2! 73, James Kern KB2FCV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM To: 'K. J.'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] MY SECOND K2 Well I have ordered a second k2. my first k2 got hit with lightning so now I get to repair the first but the insurance is paying for another cause I don't know if the first is repairable. But I do get to have the fun of building a second k2. see ya 73's N1IB David Schornak K2 03027 K2 0 www.n1ib.com www.n1ib.com/blog/ www.n1ib.com/leather/ arf don't forget me Mis Ginger ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
