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In a message dated 5/24/06 9:38:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The next logical step in terms of performance is a contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with that kind of performance. I see your point, but consider this: When the K2 came out, one of the comments I heard many times was that there weren't many hams who would spend close to $600 for a kit QRP CW rig they had to build themselves. Almost 6000 K2s later, that's turned out to be a bit inaccurate Another comment I recall went along the lines that the complexity of modern radio technology was such that any modern, high performance ham rig would have to use surface mount technology and would be close to impossible to put in a kit You can see where this is going. I don't know if big gun contesters would buy/build a K3, or if SO2R in one rig is even a practical option. I do know that some serious contest folks are running K2/100s, even in SO2R. I also know that the K2 has shown there to be a market for rigs that don't fit the Ikensu mold. 73 de Jim, N2EY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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In a message dated 5/25/06 10:19:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Until the Orion came out, 99% of modern transceivers were up conversion radios. (K2 the exception) Rob Sherwood http://www.sherweng.com/Dayton_2004/Dayton_2004-Sherwood.pdf A bit of hyperbole, that. The Ten Tec Omni series, from the A to the VI+, are/were not upconverting - their first IF is/was 9 MHz. Same for the original Argosy and the Corsair I and II. The Delta used a 6.3 MHz first IF. In fact, upconversion to VHF is rarely used in TT rigs (the Paragon is one exception). 73 de Jim, N2EY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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On May 24, 2006, at 11:39 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: - Fast, quiet QSK - Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in the other ear to the receive frequency. I want more. I want SO2R in a box -- I want to be able to receive with one receiver when I'm transmitting (so long as it isn't on the same band). - 6-160M - maybe even 2M? - Push button clear switch for RIT and XIT. Lack of this feature automatically DQs the K2 from some very serious contesters. - Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance. For the price, the K2 has one of the best dynamic range figures, even close in. - Switchable front end filters Huh? The K2 is single-conversion. It isn't an up-conversion rig like the Orion or the IC-7800, etc. There's no need for a front-end roofing filter because the main filter IS the front-end roofing filter. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote: Not within a thousand years will man ever fly! -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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N2TK: - Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance. AA4LR: For the price, the K2 has one of the best dynamic range figures, even close in. K2's IMD degrades 24 dB from 5 kHz to 1 kHz, primarily due to phase noise. IMD @ 5 kHz 91 dB (ARRL) IMD @ 2 kHz 80 dB* (Sherwood) IMD @ 1 kHz 67 dB* (ARRL) * = phase noise limited Sources: http://www2.arrl.org/members-only/prodrev/pdf/lab/k2.pdfhttp://www2.arrl.org/members-only/prodrev/pdf/lab/k2.pdf (graph page 20) http://www.sherweng.com/table.htmlhttp://www.sherweng.com/table.html N2TK: - Switchable front end filters AA4LR: Huh? The K2 is single-conversion. It isn't an up-conversion rig like the Orion or the IC-7800, etc. There's no need for a front-end roofing filter because the main filter IS the front-end roofing filter. But Orion is not an up-conversion rig. Its First IF is 9 MHz vs the K2's ~5 MHz. Up conversion rigs typically have First IF at VHF (70 or 40 MHz). Until the Orion came out, 99% of modern transceivers were up conversion radios. (K2 the exception) Rob Sherwood http://www.sherweng.com/Dayton_2004/Dayton_2004-Sherwood.pdf 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Why would you lose out on the wattmeter? The power (forward and reflected) is derived from an on-board coupler and calculations are done in the KAT's MCU. VRFdet doesn't have anything to do with that. On May 24, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote: I wish it were possible to use the KAT100 wattmeter with an amplifier other than the KPA100 but it isn't. I have an HFPacker amp, and if you bring VRFdet into the K2, it applies the K2 ALC to the output of the amplifier, and the RF gain knob won't go past 15W. The solution from Gary was to use the internal VRFdet, but that means I lose out on the wattmeter. Maybe I could make a PIC-based display or even a simple vu-style comparator that reads the external VRFdet! Leigh/WA5ZNU On Wed, 24 May 2006 7:07 am, Don Wilhelm wrote: JT, The Elecraft KAT2, KAT1, KXAT1, KAT100 and KAT100 already contain wattmeters, so if you have one of these in your station, you do have a wattmeter buit in - no need to carry a separate wattmeter, particularly for the trail. Of course, if you are using a non-Elecraft QRP rig, then the need is obvious, and the T1 can serve the purpose there. 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form. 72 de JT, W6FO -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com - Jack Brindle, W6FB - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other way of determining the size/dimentions. If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love to see a K3 that matched the amp in size. Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd rcvr, 6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc. Include FM, SSTV etc as an Optional Mode Module. Perhaps include decoding of SSTV and text from other digital modes for display on an optional flat panel display. Make the PA upgradable with choice of 20W or 200W output. Make it a 12V for mobile/battery operation but include a built-in quiet switching supply. Maybe have the 20W be 12VDC and the 200W have a built-in 50V switching supply for running on 120VAC. Just thinking out loud here. And make some provision for split operation indicators such as putting the sidetone into only one side of a stereo headphone so that operators can HEAR the difference between when they are transmitting split and when they are not. A visual indication such as having all the frequency readouts turn red in transmit during split operation and some other color when operating simplex. An operator would KNOW from the first dit if he was intending to work a DXpedition split and started to call simplex on the DX stations frequency. (Maybe a mild shock to the keyer paddle is needed?) A low end version would be a 20W 160-10M CW only rig (although I suspect SSB would not add that much cost). A high end version would run 200W with an internal AC supply and cover 160-microwave all modes including general coverage on 2 receivers and auto-tuning on all bands below 144Mhz. I think a K3 like that would be at least as expensive as adding up the price of a 100W K2 with all accessories, options and converters and doubling or tripling the total price. Tom K2TA - Original Message - From: Craig D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products I'm not interested in the amps, although they look great and hope that they are a big success. I really enjoy the test equipment kits such as the XG-2 and noise source. Hopefully more specialized small test equipment such as this can be done w/o a really large RD commitment. Of the big projects being discussed, the K3 is the only one that captures my interest and enthusiasm. I love my K2 - best rig I've ever had - but it sits in my shack on its small footprint as I twiddle the small knobs and drill down thru menus (if I can remember how) to operate it. My ideal K3 would NOT need to be contest grade with 2 receivers, etc. But I would like a larger self contained unit with less menus and more knobs and a larger (color??) display. 12 V power, 100 W out, built in tuner, CW SSB, IF DSP, spectrum display, and if possible 6 and 2 w/o external adapters. Tall order I know, but what fun it would be to build and operate!! 73 ... Craig AC0DS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form. 72 de JT, W6FO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits. I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor, more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered, with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price tag of maybe $2,000. Larry N8LP Tom Althoff wrote: As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other way of determining the size/dimentions. If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love to see a K3 that matched the amp in size. Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd rcvr, 6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc. Include FM, SSTV etc as an Optional Mode Module. Perhaps include decoding of SSTV and text from other digital modes for display on an optional flat panel display. Make the PA upgradable with choice of 20W or 200W output. Make it a 12V for mobile/battery operation but include a built-in quiet switching supply. Maybe have the 20W be 12VDC and the 200W have a built-in 50V switching supply for running on 120VAC. Just thinking out loud here. And make some provision for split operation indicators such as putting the sidetone into only one side of a stereo headphone so that operators can HEAR the difference between when they are transmitting split and when they are not. A visual indication such as having all the frequency readouts turn red in transmit during split operation and some other color when operating simplex. An operator would KNOW from the first dit if he was intending to work a DXpedition split and started to call simplex on the DX stations frequency. (Maybe a mild shock to the keyer paddle is needed?) A low end version would be a 20W 160-10M CW only rig (although I suspect SSB would not add that much cost). A high end version would run 200W with an internal AC supply and cover 160-microwave all modes including general coverage on 2 receivers and auto-tuning on all bands below 144Mhz. I think a K3 like that would be at least as expensive as adding up the price of a 100W K2 with all accessories, options and converters and doubling or tripling the total price. Tom K2TA - Original Message - From: Craig D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products I'm not interested in the amps, although they look great and hope that they are a big success. I really enjoy the test equipment kits such as the XG-2 and noise source. Hopefully more specialized small test equipment such as this can be done w/o a really large RD commitment. Of the big projects being discussed, the K3 is the only one that captures my interest and enthusiasm. I love my K2 - best rig I've ever had - but it sits in my shack on its small footprint as I twiddle the small knobs and drill down thru menus (if I can remember how) to operate it. My ideal K3 would NOT need to be contest grade with 2 receivers, etc. But I would like a larger self contained unit with less menus and more knobs and a larger (color??) display. 12 V power, 100 W out, built in tuner, CW SSB, IF DSP, spectrum display, and if possible 6 and 2 w/o external adapters. Tall order I know, but what fun it would be to build and operate!! 73 ... Craig AC0DS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
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Check out my LP-300 digital handheld wattmeter kit at www.telepostinc.com. Also, for base station use, my LP-100 digital vector wattmeter kit was a huge success at Dayton. The LP-300 is accurate for power and SWR from 10 mW to 120W. The LP-100 is good from 50 mW to the legal limit. 73, Larry N8LP JT Croteau wrote: Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form. 72 de JT, W6FO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Yes, a watt meter that is the right level for the K2 for less than $100 would be great! I'm currently using my Palstar meter which I have wired backwards. The reflected scale then gives me QRP resolution for measuring forward power. Of course my ability to measure SWR is gone but at 5 or 10 watts that meter doesn't really support SWR measurement anyway. One of the things I really like about my Palstar is that it is active and really measures and reports peak power. I'll get 100 watts key down with my ic-735. Go to a string of dits and it still reads 100 watts. Call CQ on SSB and it shows 100 watts. Nice. Of course, an active meter may not be so conducive to portable operation. - Keith KD1E - - K2 5411 - -Original Message- From: JT Croteau Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products
JT, The Elecraft KAT2, KAT1, KXAT1, KAT100 and KAT100 already contain wattmeters, so if you have one of these in your station, you do have a wattmeter buit in - no need to carry a separate wattmeter, particularly for the trail. Of course, if you are using a non-Elecraft QRP rig, then the need is obvious, and the T1 can serve the purpose there. 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form. 72 de JT, W6FO -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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My LP-300 has a peak power mode with a peak-hold display on the numerical readout. It also has fast analog bargraphs for power and SWR that can follow voice peaks. It shows accurate SWR down to about 10 mW forward power. It runs on a 9V Duracell or Lithium battery, or external 12v. Larry N8LP Darwin, Keith wrote: Yes, a watt meter that is the right level for the K2 for less than $100 would be great! I'm currently using my Palstar meter which I have wired backwards. The reflected scale then gives me QRP resolution for measuring forward power. Of course my ability to measure SWR is gone but at 5 or 10 watts that meter doesn't really support SWR measurement anyway. One of the things I really like about my Palstar is that it is active and really measures and reports peak power. I'll get 100 watts key down with my ic-735. Go to a string of dits and it still reads 100 watts. Call CQ on SSB and it shows 100 watts. Nice. Of course, an active meter may not be so conducive to portable operation. - Keith KD1E - - K2 5411 - -Original Message- From: JT Croteau Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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wayne said; all functional modules simply plug in So I would expect that the PA modules that are in the KPA800/1500 could have been engineered to be put in other things: a smaller amp ??? a transceiver ?? a mobile amp ?? utilizing the motherboard concept... Maybe the K4 will have a spot on the mother board for spectrum board ...(opt5) a spot for the second full receiver .( optional would keep the entry price down) the super duper noise blanker board, if you need it like I do .(opt2) maybe even a slot for daughter board in-box computer...( not for me ) BUT PLEASE don't make it like the form factor of the TITANTIC Y brand product line. and if they do add the SO2R feature set , I can pull out all my Top Ten devices surrounding my HercII !! phew,,, now back to reality,,,and the nice stuff I'm lucky to have already. bill ny9h ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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But Bill... BUT PLEASE don't make it like the form factor of the TITANTIC Y brand product line. ...don't you know,m that real radios have to weigh at least twice as much as the OP... hi hi vy 73 de toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Hi Larry, Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps - kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out. I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel I do a good job at it. But I would rather be operating than soldering, especially if the price differential isn't great - an example is the KPA1500. For an additional 7% I get an amp assembled and checked out. I agree that some contesters and Dxers would rather buy it assembled and tested. And some will continue to like to build it. To me both are good choices to have for all of us. And while I am at it, here is my list of things I would like to see in a new rig. These are the minimum things I would want over a K2 in a K3: - Fast, quiet QSK - Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in the other ear to the receive frequency. - 6-160M - maybe even 2M? - Push button clear switch for RIT and XIT. - Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance. - Switchable front end filters 73, N2TK, Tony #3481 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Phipps Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM To: Tom Althoff Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits. I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor, more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered, with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price tag of maybe $2,000. Larry N8LP Tom Althoff wrote: As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other way of determining the size/dimentions. If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love to see a K3 that matched the amp in size. Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd rcvr, 6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc. Include FM, SSTV etc as an Optional Mode Module. Perhaps include decoding of SSTV and text from other digital modes for display on an optional flat panel display. Make the PA upgradable with choice of 20W or 200W output. Make it a 12V for mobile/battery operation but include a built-in quiet switching supply. Maybe have the 20W be 12VDC and the 200W have a built-in 50V switching supply for running on 120VAC. Just thinking out loud here. And make some provision for split operation indicators such as putting the sidetone into only one side of a stereo headphone so that operators can HEAR the difference between when they are transmitting split and when they are not. A visual indication such as having all the frequency readouts turn red in transmit during split operation and some other color when operating simplex. An operator would KNOW from the first dit if he was intending to work a DXpedition split and started to call simplex on the DX stations frequency. (Maybe a mild shock to the keyer paddle is needed?) A low end version would be a 20W 160-10M CW only rig (although I suspect SSB would not add that much cost). A high end version would run 200W with an internal AC supply and cover 160-microwave all modes including general coverage on 2 receivers and auto-tuning on all bands below 144Mhz. I think a K3 like that would be at least as expensive as adding up the price of a 100W K2 with all accessories, options and converters and doubling or tripling the total price. Tom K2TA - Original Message - From: Craig D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products I'm not interested in the amps, although they look great and hope that they are a big success. I really enjoy the test equipment kits such as the XG-2 and noise source. Hopefully more specialized small test equipment such as this can be done w/o a really large RD commitment. Of the big projects being discussed, the K3 is the only one that captures my interest and enthusiasm. I love my K2 - best rig I've ever had - but it sits in my shack on its small footprint as I
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These have been great posts. As I convalesce from back surgery, my dreams of Elecraft kits have become much more vivid. I ran across Larry N8LP's kits, that may be what you are thinking of, JT. Check out http://www.telepostinc.com/n8lp.html . 73, Jamie WB4YDL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JT Croteau Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:29 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form. 72 de JT, W6FO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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On Wed, 24 May 2006, Toby Deinhardt wrote: But Bill... BUT PLEASE don't make it like the form factor of the TITANTIC Y brand product line. ...don't you know,m that real radios have to weigh at least twice as much as the OP... hi hi And at the very least require that they be mounted in a 3 foot relay rack with super-sized casters. My present to myself when I passed my general a 1000 years ago was a tranmitter that had an 813 final and plate modulationit was in one of those racks. Brought it homeunloaded it from the truck and my father made me go buy two of the adjustable foundation jacks and a steel beam before he would let me put in in the house. 73,Thom-k3hrn www.zerobeat.net Home of QRP Web Ring, Drakelist home page,Drake Web Ring, QRP IRC channel, Drake IRC Channel, Elecraft Owners Database www.tlchost.net/hosting/ *** Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive. Mike Scott AE6WA Tarzana, CA (near LA) Elecraft KX1 4-Watts -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:40 AM To: 'Larry Phipps'; 'Tom Althoff' Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Hi Larry, Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps - kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out. I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel I do a good job at it. But I would rather be operating than soldering, especially if the price differential isn't great - an example is the KPA1500. For an additional 7% I get an amp assembled and checked out. I agree that some contesters and Dxers would rather buy it assembled and tested. And some will continue to like to build it. To me both are good choices to have for all of us. And while I am at it, here is my list of things I would like to see in a new rig. These are the minimum things I would want over a K2 in a K3: - Fast, quiet QSK - Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in the other ear to the receive frequency. - 6-160M - maybe even 2M? - Push button clear switch for RIT and XIT. - Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance. - Switchable front end filters 73, N2TK, Tony #3481 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Phipps Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM To: Tom Althoff Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits. I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor, more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered, with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price tag of maybe $2,000. Larry N8LP Tom Althoff wrote: As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other way of determining the size/dimentions. If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love to see a K3 that matched the amp in size. Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd rcvr, 6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc. Include FM, SSTV etc as an Optional Mode Module. Perhaps include decoding of SSTV and text from other digital modes for display on an optional flat panel display. Make the PA upgradable with choice of 20W or 200W output. Make it a 12V for mobile/battery operation but include a built-in quiet switching supply. Maybe have the 20W be 12VDC and the 200W have a built-in 50V switching supply for running on 120VAC. Just thinking out loud here. And make some provision for split operation indicators such as putting the sidetone into only one side of a stereo headphone so that operators can HEAR the difference between when they are transmitting split and when they are not. A visual indication such as having all the frequency readouts turn red in transmit during split operation and some other color when operating simplex. An operator would KNOW from the first dit if he was intending to work a DXpedition split and started to call simplex on the DX stations frequency. (Maybe a mild shock to the keyer paddle is needed?) A low end version would be a 20W 160-10M CW only rig (although I suspect SSB would not add that much cost). A high end version would run 200W with an internal AC supply and cover 160-microwave all modes including general coverage on 2 receivers and auto-tuning on all bands below 144Mhz. I think a K3 like that would be at least as expensive as adding up the price of a 100W K2 with all accessories, options and converters and doubling or tripling the total price. Tom K2TA - Original Message - From: Craig D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products I'm not interested in the amps, although
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Gee, maybe we are up to the K5 with this feature? N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Scott Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:54 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive. Mike Scott AE6WA Tarzana, CA (near LA) Elecraft KX1 4-Watts -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:40 AM To: 'Larry Phipps'; 'Tom Althoff' Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Hi Larry, Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps - kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out. I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel I do a good job at it. But I would rather be operating than soldering, especially if the price differential isn't great - an example is the KPA1500. For an additional 7% I get an amp assembled and checked out. I agree that some contesters and Dxers would rather buy it assembled and tested. And some will continue to like to build it. To me both are good choices to have for all of us. And while I am at it, here is my list of things I would like to see in a new rig. These are the minimum things I would want over a K2 in a K3: - Fast, quiet QSK - Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in the other ear to the receive frequency. - 6-160M - maybe even 2M? - Push button clear switch for RIT and XIT. - Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance. - Switchable front end filters 73, N2TK, Tony #3481 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Phipps Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM To: Tom Althoff Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits. I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor, more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered, with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price tag of maybe $2,000. Larry N8LP Tom Althoff wrote: As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other way of determining the size/dimentions. If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love to see a K3 that matched the amp in size. Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd rcvr, 6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc. Include FM, SSTV etc as an Optional Mode Module. Perhaps include decoding of SSTV and text from other digital modes for display on an optional flat panel display. Make the PA upgradable with choice of 20W or 200W output. Make it a 12V for mobile/battery operation but include a built-in quiet switching supply. Maybe have the 20W be 12VDC and the 200W have a built-in 50V switching supply for running on 120VAC. Just thinking out loud here. And make some provision for split operation indicators such as putting the sidetone into only one side of a stereo headphone so that operators can HEAR the difference between when they are transmitting split and when they are not. A visual indication such as having all the frequency readouts turn red in transmit during split operation and some other color when operating simplex. An operator would KNOW from the first dit if he was intending to work a DXpedition split and started to call simplex on the DX stations frequency. (Maybe a mild shock to the keyer paddle is needed?) A low end version would be a 20W 160-10M CW only rig (although I suspect SSB would not add that much cost). A high end version would run 200W with an internal AC supply and cover 160-microwave all modes including general coverage on 2 receivers and auto-tuning on all bands below 144Mhz. I think a K3 like that would be at least as expensive as adding up the price of a 100W K2 with all accessories, options and converters
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I wish it were possible to use the KAT100 wattmeter with an amplifier other than the KPA100 but it isn't. I have an HFPacker amp, and if you bring VRFdet into the K2, it applies the K2 ALC to the output of the amplifier, and the RF gain knob won't go past 15W. The solution from Gary was to use the internal VRFdet, but that means I lose out on the wattmeter. Maybe I could make a PIC-based display or even a simple vu-style comparator that reads the external VRFdet! Leigh/WA5ZNU On Wed, 24 May 2006 7:07 am, Don Wilhelm wrote: JT, The Elecraft KAT2, KAT1, KXAT1, KAT100 and KAT100 already contain wattmeters, so if you have one of these in your station, you do have a wattmeter buit in - no need to carry a separate wattmeter, particularly for the trail. Of course, if you are using a non-Elecraft QRP rig, then the need is obvious, and the T1 can serve the purpose there. 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form. 72 de JT, W6FO -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 5/23/2006 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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From: Mike Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed May 24 11:54:12 CDT 2006 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products K3-K5? Too many features can cause a drop in the need for operating skills. I think Elecraft builders and CW Ops can be held in a high regard for thier operating skills as well as thier knowledge of electronics. With the deregulations of the ham ticket, No Code, I am happy with the Elecraft K2/100, and if a K3 never comes along I will not be dissapointed, As everyone has different requirements or needs, I think the module idea is great so add ons can be made. Bill KA3IXF Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive. Mike Scott AE6WA Tarzana, CA (near LA) Elecraft KX1 4-Watts -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:40 AM To: 'Larry Phipps'; 'Tom Althoff' Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Hi Larry, Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps - kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out. I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel I do a good job at it. But I would rather be operating than soldering, especially if the price differential isn't great - an example is the KPA1500. For an additional 7% I get an amp assembled and checked out. I agree that some contesters and Dxers would rather buy it assembled and tested. And some will continue to like to build it. To me both are good choices to have for all of us. And while I am at it, here is my list of things I would like to see in a new rig. These are the minimum things I would want over a K2 in a K3: - Fast, quiet QSK - Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in the other ear to the receive frequency. - 6-160M - maybe even 2M? - Push button clear switch for RIT and XIT. - Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance. - Switchable front end filters 73, N2TK, Tony #3481 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Phipps Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM To: Tom Althoff Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits. I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor, more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered, with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price tag of maybe $2,000. Larry N8LP Tom Althoff wrote: As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other way of determining the size/dimentions. If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love to see a K3 that matched the amp in size. Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd rcvr, 6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc. Include FM, SSTV etc as an Optional Mode Module. Perhaps include decoding of SSTV and text from other digital modes for display on an optional flat panel display. Make the PA upgradable with choice of 20W or 200W output. Make it a 12V for mobile/battery operation but include a built-in quiet switching supply. Maybe have the 20W be 12VDC and the 200W have a built-in 50V switching supply for running on 120VAC. Just thinking out loud here. And make some provision for split operation indicators such as putting the sidetone into only one side of a stereo headphone so that operators can HEAR the difference between when they are transmitting split and when they are not. A visual indication such as having all the frequency readouts turn red in transmit during split operation and some other color when operating simplex. An operator would KNOW from the first dit if he was intending to work a DXpedition split and started to call simplex on the DX stations frequency. (Maybe a mild shock to the keyer paddle is needed?) A low end version would be a 20W 160-10M CW only rig (although I suspect
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Somehow, I don't see Elecraft coming out with a new transceiver in the near future. Their accomplishments in developing new products and innovations is pretty amazing. Tasking Wayne with the design of a new radio would be way too much overload. But if we were to do so, I second all the features that have been mentioned, but I would also include on the design list variable passband tuning, and a good notch filter. And K3 as a name? No way! There is no K3, there was but it is now known as Broad Peak. (Located about 5 miles away from K2 in the Karakoram range.) I think the radio Wayne is ultimately destined to design should be named McKinley. Joe N9JR - Original Message From: Mike Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:54:12 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive. Mike Scott AE6WA Tarzana, CA (near LA) Elecraft KX1 4-Watts -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:40 AM To: 'Larry Phipps'; 'Tom Althoff' Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Hi Larry, Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps - kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out. I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel I do a good job at it. But I would rather be operating than soldering, especially if the price differential isn't great - an example is the KPA1500. For an additional 7% I get an amp assembled and checked out. I agree that some contesters and Dxers would rather buy it assembled and tested. And some will continue to like to build it. To me both are good choices to have for all of us. And while I am at it, here is my list of things I would like to see in a new rig. These are the minimum things I would want over a K2 in a K3: - Fast, quiet QSK - Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in the other ear to the receive frequency. - 6-160M - maybe even 2M? - Push button clear switch for RIT and XIT. - Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance. - Switchable front end filters 73, N2TK, Tony #3481 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Phipps Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM To: Tom Althoff Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits. I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor, more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered, with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price tag of maybe $2,000. Larry N8LP Tom Althoff wrote: As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other way of determining the size/dimentions. If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love to see a K3 that matched the amp in size. Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd rcvr, 6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc. Include FM, SSTV etc as an Optional Mode Module. Perhaps include decoding of SSTV and text from other digital modes for display on an optional flat panel display. Make the PA upgradable with choice of 20W or 200W output. Make it a 12V for mobile/battery operation but include a built-in quiet switching supply. Maybe have the 20W be 12VDC and the 200W have a built-in 50V switching supply for running on 120VAC. Just thinking out loud here. And make some provision for split operation indicators such as putting the sidetone into only one side of a stereo headphone so that operators can HEAR the difference between when they are transmitting split and when they are not. A visual indication such as having all the frequency readouts turn red in transmit during split operation and some other color when operating simplex. An operator would KNOW from the first dit if he
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Mike Scott wrote: Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive. What would this sound like? I've always wanted to try some kind of crossover device that would distribute the signal between the two earphones according to frequency. Then as I tune through a CW signal, it would seem to move. Is this the same idea? -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Vic Rosenthal wrote: What would this sound like? I've always wanted to try some kind of crossover device that would distribute the signal between the two earphones according to frequency. Then as I tune through a CW signal, it would seem to move. Is this the same idea? -- Several ways to skin this cat Vic, but yes the signal seems to move. Bit like being in a room at a party with people, or you, moving around as you tune. When you stop tuning everybody stops moving, some on one side of you others on the other side. It is possible to sort out those in front and those behind - the almost zero beat guys- but this is best done in other circuitry. Combine this with the brain's ability to zero in on a particular conversation (The 'cocktail party effect') and life will never be the same. 73, Geoff GM4ESD PS Strong receiver design information is almost ready for you. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products
Sometime last night K2TA posted what I was thinking: As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other way of determining the size/dimentions. If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love to see a K3 that matched the amp in size. Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd rcvr, 6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc. I don't think doing an internalized set of XVs makes sense, but the basic approach is neat (though as K2VCO pointed out, perhaps a bit on the large side). Hopefully more of a kit than the new KPAs, it might be reasonable to expect doing one or two significant additional features to the basic radio in a post-K2 product. Take general coverage. BPFs as a module gives choice of not having to pay for cost of feature one might not need, or change to something even more robust for more demanding ham-band-only use. Enough room in that cabinet to transplant some of those FT9k preselectors? ;^) A sub-RX isn't entirely a rabid contester feature - I use it more DXing realize if we had it in the past, it would have been handy when NCSing 7RN. Perfect thing to make into a module. All sorts of interesting possibilities. Hopefully starting with a good, solid radio. Keeping kit serviceability in mind, maybe unlikely to have things like IF DSP. More remote controllability please, though remember every knob on an encoder is significantly more expensive. Something more like as N8LP described. Some of the features mentioned here are probably not practical. I see some of it driven by Brand-K/I/Y domestic market, something Elecraft probably now has the momentum to go against. An SO2R-ready-out-of-the-box K3 is the last thing this contester would like to see a modernized TR7 as Larry mentioned or something starting from like an OMNI6-as- a-kit - that would go down well with a far wider market, too. N2TK - I'm thinking all solid-state TS820/830-like performance in a kit, maybe even use an IF so that filters can be recycled from other rigs. Are you with me? Divide-from-VHF PLL is start towards Tony's W4ZV's previous mention of close-in performance - GM4ESD, got any other ideas? Then add some first-string big-box features based on modules there's something for everybody. Nice to dream, isn't it? ;^) 73, VR2BrettGraham ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
