Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
In a message dated 9/6/07 1:32:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim N2EY wrote: Ancient Ones is a term of respect. Understood. In this part of the UK this usually refers to those who lived here some thousands of years ago, whereas Elders are still living. I did not know that! TNX In amateur radio usage, mostly among glowbug types, it has come to mean those who did things back when and are no longer with us to explain *why* they were done. Consider the age of anyone who actually operated an amateur station 75+ years ago Indeed. A lot depends on how the comparison is made. There is no doubt in my mind that the availability of plug and play rigs and the growth of the ham population has increased interference levels from what they were in 1946. Perhaps. But OTOH, the quality of affordable rigs available to most hams today is far above what it was then. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
In a message dated 9/6/07 8:56:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of the improvements in our methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the direct results of radio competition of various kinds. All of the improvements are direct result of competition? Competition *of various kinds*. So none of them were made simply to satisfy the creator, or give him/her what he/she wanted that was not driven by competition? When one wants something better than what already exists, and works to get it, that's a form of competition. There are most likely a small number of folks who go about life meeting or exceding their own standards, and don't gague their happiness or suceess on the basis of beating someone else. Meetin or exceeding one's own standards is a form of competition, even if it is competing with oneself. I've been a distance runner since 1981. I've never been very fast, yet I entered many races simply to see how well I could do. Often I ran the same race several years in a row, in competition with myself, trying to set a PR (personal record). I've also designed and built many ham rigs, from my first 1 tube transmitter of 40 years ago to the rig currently on my webpage. All were an attempt to do better than I'd done before, and I learned an enormous amount from each of them. That's another form of competition. (One of the tests of whether New Rig is an improvement over Old Rig is how many points I could make with it in contests like Sweepstakes). 73 de Jim, N2EY ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
Living in a densely populated area like I do and with indoor antennas - no chance! If my 10 watts can't make a particular contact then it's no big deal to me. It's only a hobby, a pastime, not life or death communications, not worth causing interference to the neighbours. I don't understand why people have to get so competitive about radio. The ordinary business of making a living in the real world is competitive enough for me. Getting my web pages on to the first page of Google search results is a more worthwhile challenge than trying to work a bunch of guys perched on a piece of rock in the Pacific Ocean. What I want from a hobby is relaxation. The thrill I get from making contacts with low power more than makes up for the ones I don't make, many of which 100W might not have made either. I envy those who can put up towers and beams and run high power, but it's just like I envy those who run luxury cars, or own a yacht or a villa in the south of France. It would be nice to have those things, but I don't need them, and don't imagine I will ever be able to afford them, so I don't lose any sleep over not having them. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/6/07, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wait until you see the Elecraft 1500w power amp - I bet you'll have your order sent off within 48 hours. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
In a message dated 9/6/07 3:52:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't understand why people have to get so competitive about radio. Because, for some folks, it's fun to compete. Why do folks do amateur sports competitively? (As soon as you start keeping score and following specific rules, you're being competitive). And consider this: The Ancient Ones were working the Antipodes on HF 75+ years ago with simple regenerative receivers, wire antennas and oscilator transmitters putting out a few watts of RF power. All of the improvements in our methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the direct results of radio competition of various kinds. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/6/07 3:52:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't understand why people have to get so competitive about radio. Because, for some folks, it's fun to compete. So, with today's trends in education to prohibit personal responsibility and to shelter the youngsters from the negative aspects of competition, does that mean we can look forward to a standstill in radio, since you stated: All of the improvements in our methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the direct results of radio competition of various kinds. If they can't play competitive sports because their delicate personalities might get injured, how can we expect them to enter a contest where they might not win? All of the improvements are direct result of competition? So none of them were made simply to satisfy the creator, or give him/her what he/she wanted that was not driven by competition? There are most likely a small number of folks who go about life meeting or exceding their own standards, and don't gague their happiness or suceess on the basis of beating someone else. 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
On 9/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because, for some folks, it's fun to compete. OK, I'll believe you. But some of the folks getting antsy in a pile-up don't sound like they are having much fun, do they? And consider this: The Ancient Ones were working the Antipodes on HF 75+ years ago with simple regenerative receivers, wire antennas and oscilator transmitters putting out a few watts of RF power. All of the improvements in our methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the direct results of radio competition of various kinds. But it does put into perspective the need for high power and high specs, doesn't it. :) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
I do wonder what Elecraft could come up with if size, weight, and power consumption were not an issue. It would likely be a rig I would really like, as there are plenty of small rigs out there. They dont need to go head to head with the major manufacturers if they dont want to, they can sell what they sell and how they want to sell it, and be as big or as little as they want. My guess is they want to sell zillions of K3's though, with all the jetting around to hamfests. If the K4 was twice the size of the K3, and had four times the knobs and buttons on it, and had the K3 performance, I bet they would sell even more of them then K3's, at a higher price. I dont see why Elecraft could not get very large in short order, as no one has the range and performance they do, kits, small rigs, top end performing rigs, medium size rigs, backpack rigs, antenna tuners, amplifiers, and with the K4, big deluxe rigs. I hope they will expand and bring out more products faster, while reducing the individual workload so they dont burn out. Brett N2DTS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:50 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ? Much as I want to like the little company that could, Elecraft folks need to recognize that despite their existing rabidly pro customer base, they are now reaching another type of customer with the advanced K3. This new customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the QRP and toy rigs niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft. Me, I am a new type customer, not interested in QRP (I'm too old), back packing (same), and tiny rigs (same agn). I assemble to save money, not much for the fun. I like operating, not tinkering. I purchase based on outstanding specs, not other marketing ploys. Message then to Elecraft, provided free here altho a marketing consultant would cost plenty, is to wake up to their new added customer base and understand that forgiveness in timely notices of shipment advance manual availability clear specs on rig (that are stated in the same terms as good ole Sherwood and that do not have the or the mark) and clear info on the full range of products, such as the Heil K2 mic/headphones, can be expected to be met with only a polite patience that can be exhausted soon. It is a new and exciting ...and challenging day for Elecraft. They have entered the big leagues and clearly challenge ICOM and Yaesu (and ORION). Marketing info will need to measure up too. PS... keep my order for a K3 active, please. 73 Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hot mailtextlink2 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
I would rather see them expanding into a surface mount miniaturized version of the k2 with improved performance for a k4. Matt KD8DAO On 9/6/07, Brett gazdzinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do wonder what Elecraft could come up with if size, weight, and power consumption were not an issue. It would likely be a rig I would really like, as there are plenty of small rigs out there. They don't need to go head to head with the major manufacturers if they don't want to, they can sell what they sell and how they want to sell it, and be as big or as little as they want. My guess is they want to sell zillions of K3's though, with all the jetting around to hamfests. If the K4 was twice the size of the K3, and had four times the knobs and buttons on it, and had the K3 performance, I bet they would sell even more of them then K3's, at a higher price. I don't see why Elecraft could not get very large in short order, as no one has the range and performance they do, kits, small rigs, top end performing rigs, medium size rigs, backpack rigs, antenna tuners, amplifiers, and with the K4, big deluxe rigs. I hope they will expand and bring out more products faster, while reducing the individual workload so they don't burn out. Brett N2DTS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:50 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ? Much as I want to like the little company that could, Elecraft folks need to recognize that despite their existing rabidly pro customer base, they are now reaching another type of customer with the advanced K3. This new customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the QRP and toy rigs niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft. Me, I am a new type customer, not interested in QRP (I'm too old), back packing (same), and tiny rigs (same agn). I assemble to save money, not much for the fun. I like operating, not tinkering. I purchase based on outstanding specs, not other marketing ploys. Message then to Elecraft, provided free here altho a marketing consultant would cost plenty, is to wake up to their new added customer base and understand that forgiveness in timely notices of shipment advance manual availability clear specs on rig (that are stated in the same terms as good ole Sherwood and that do not have the or the mark) and clear info on the full range of products, such as the Heil K2 mic/headphones, can be expected to be met with only a polite patience that can be exhausted soon. It is a new and exciting ...and challenging day for Elecraft. They have entered the big leagues and clearly challenge ICOM and Yaesu (and ORION). Marketing info will need to measure up too. PS... keep my order for a K3 active, please. 73 Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hot mailtextlink2 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
If the end result of that would be a battery powered radio the size of an FT-817 or smaller, with K2 + KAT2 functionality then it would be a must-buy. The FT-817 has been very popular but technically it is a huge disappointment, with a poor receiver, far too high power consumption for its battery size and no built in ATU which is really needed in the field. By the time you have added an external battery and an ATU, you may as well take a K2. The only trouble is FT-817s are now very cheap (about a third the price I paid for my first one!) and any Elecraft competitor would probably be perceived as expensive by most potential buyers. I personally don't have the space for the four times larger K3 proposed by Brett, but as there seems to be quite a lot of space inside the K3 already I don't really see the point in any case. If it is a question of operating ergonomics, perhaps the answer is a software front panel, e.g. HRD. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/6/07, Matt Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would rather see them expanding into a surface mount miniaturized version of the k2 with improved performance for a k4. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
On Sept.06/07 Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: N2EY: And consider this: The Ancient Ones were working the Antipodes on HF 75+ years ago with simple regenerative receivers, wire antennas and oscilator transmitters putting out a few watts of RF power. All of the improvements in our methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the direct results of radio competition of various kinds. But it does put into perspective the need for high power and high specs, doesn't it. :) Perhaps, but the Ancient Ones (hmmpf - Elders please) did not have to contend with the amount of interference that we have today, even in 1946 the HF bands were still quite quiet by comparison. 73, Geoff GM4ESD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
I said twice the size, with 4 times the knobs/buttons. Four times would be HUGE! Brett I personally don't have the space for the four times larger K3 proposed by Brett, but as there seems to be quite a lot of space inside the K3 already I don't really see the point in any case. If it is a question of operating ergonomics, perhaps the answer is a software front panel, e.g. HRD. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/6/07, Matt Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would rather see them expanding into a surface mount miniaturized version of the k2 with improved performance for a k4. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
That is one of the great things about our hobby, there is surely something for everyone. As long as others don't object about someone else's favorite thing, its great. I don't get into contests, but I don't mind the guys that do taking over the bands from time to time. I hope they don't mind me getting on AM once and a while on uncrowded bands, using my home brew tube stations. Sure is a lot to do on ham radio though, all the modes, all the frequencies, computer stuff, satellite, fm repeater, cw, home brew, vintage, contests, dx, rag chewing, nets, qrp, kit building, really, what other hobby has so much... Brett N2DTS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julian G4ILO Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:52 AM To: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ? Living in a densely populated area like I do and with indoor antennas - no chance! If my 10 watts can't make a particular contact then it's no big deal to me. It's only a hobby, a pastime, not life or death communications, not worth causing interference to the neighbours. I don't understand why people have to get so competitive about radio. The ordinary business of making a living in the real world is competitive enough for me. Getting my web pages on to the first page of Google search results is a more worthwhile challenge than trying to work a bunch of guys perched on a piece of rock in the Pacific Ocean. What I want from a hobby is relaxation. The thrill I get from making contacts with low power more than makes up for the ones I don't make, many of which 100W might not have made either. I envy those who can put up towers and beams and run high power, but it's just like I envy those who run luxury cars, or own a yacht or a villa in the south of France. It would be nice to have those things, but I don't need them, and don't imagine I will ever be able to afford them, so I don't lose any sleep over not having them. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/6/07, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wait until you see the Elecraft 1500w power amp - I bet you'll have your order sent off within 48 hours. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
-Original Message- From: Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sept.06/07 Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: N2EY: And consider this: The Ancient Ones were working the Antipodes on HF 75+ years ago with simple regenerative receivers, wire antennas and oscilator transmitters putting out a few watts of RF power. All of the improvements in our methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the direct results of radio competition of various kinds. But it does put into perspective the need for high power and high specs, doesn't it. :) All depends how you define need. Perhaps, but the Ancient Ones (hmmpf - Elders please) Ancient Ones is a term of respect. Consider the age of anyone who actually operated an amateur station 75+ years ago did not have to contend with the amount of interference that we have today, even in 1946 the HF bands were still quite quiet by comparison. A lot depends on how the comparison is made. 75+ years ago, there were far fewer hams. Here in the USA, there were less than 40,000 hams in 1932. But almost all of them were on 160, 80, 40 or 20 meters. Their transmitters were mostly not T9X and their receivers (mostly regeneratives) were rarely narrower than 10 kc. Crystal filters in receivers came about in the 1930s as a direct result of crowded bands. And since those bands weren't all open at the same time, the ones that were tended to be rather crowded By 1946, there were about 60,000 US hams (but a lot of them, as well as hams all over the world, were inactive, still dealing with the aftermath of WW2). Yet by 1946 the regen receiver and self-controlled transmitter of 1932 were largely obsolete with hams. Note that in 1946 the WARC bands and 15 meters weren't ham bands yet, and 160 was gone to LORAN, and we wouldn't get it all back for decades. Most of the improvements in our methods, rigs and antenna systems have been the direct results of competition of various kinds. For example: - Computers in the shack were pioneered by contesters looking for a better way to log. - Transceivers with split operation (multiple VFOs) were pioneered by DXers working split - More dynamic range (in all its forms), better filters, etc., were first pushed for by contesters and DXers. - QRP, in and of itself, is competitive. When most of the stations on the band are running 100 to 1500 watts out, making QSOs with 5 watts *by choice* is certainly a challenge! Competition takes many forms. The ham who looks at the available rigs and says I can do better than that is being competitive, whether better means more performance, lower cost, smaller size, more features, etc. Would we have the K3 - or any Elecraft rigs - if Eric, Wayne Co. hadn't looked at the available rigs of the time and said We can do better than that? 73 de Jim, N2EY Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com =0 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
Jim N2EY wrote: Ancient Ones is a term of respect. Understood. In this part of the UK this usually refers to those who lived here some thousands of years ago, whereas Elders are still living. Consider the age of anyone who actually operated an amateur station 75+ years ago Indeed. . A lot depends on how the comparison is made. There is no doubt in my mind that the availability of plug and play rigs and the growth of the ham population has increased interference levels from what they were in 1946. Most of the improvements in our methods, rigs and antenna systems have been the direct results of competition of various kinds. Absolutely, I think that we are in complete agreement on this point. Eric might bark if I continue this discussion on List :-) 73, Geoff GM4ESD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote: There is no doubt in my mind that the availability of plug and play rigs and the growth of the ham population has increased interference levels from what they were in 1946. Hello Geoff! I don't remember the bands in 1946, but I do remember 1956. The 40 meter CW band was pretty well-populated in evenings. There were jammers from Eastern Europe, etc. And the 'phone bands had hetrodynes from the AM carriers. Today there is much less activity on the CW bands (except during contests, when they are packed), but the 'phone bands are usually well-populated with SSB. However, the main thing that has changed is that there are so many more sources of man-made noise. In addition to power poles, motors and thermostats, etc. -- which we still suffer from -- there are now countless digital devices that emit RF. Add to this the ubiquitous cheap switching power supplies on things like desk lamps, and you have a big increase in noise level. That's why -- and here I'm getting on topic -- a radio like the K3, which has (or will have) a hardware blanker for some kinds of impulse noise, an IF DSP blanker for others, a AGC function to reduce the effect of pulse-type noises, a DSP noise reduction function, the ability to use very narrow bandwidths with minimal ringing, etc. is appropriate for today's conditions. Really a far cry from the ANL switch on the AM/CW receivers of 1957! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Puzzles me that some would see the negative side of competition. If you think the kids at the local schools can't deal with competition or somehow shun it, just go to the local high school football game on a Friday night - that cheering is coming from the stands! They are competing right along with the ones in the mud. Ever wonder why computer games are more popular than ham radio? And its not just playing against the machine. The competition on the net gaming is fierce. What do my students look forward to most of all? 1. Get to build their own radios. 2. Getting to compete to see whose rig is best performer, who finishes first, who get their license first, who gets the first contact, who gets first dx, who gets the top score in the next contest, who. . . 3. When they are worn out by Ham radio they can't wait to do the next logic game design project so elementary school kids can have more classroom competitive games. ( we make a game that allows students to play a classroom sized version of the TV game show 'Jeopardy' ). Teachers' love them because the kids love them. Can't make enough of them. Al WA6VNN (Instructor of all things electronic at www.dphs.org ) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
As soon as I realised the K3 was going to be available built, I foresaw that it would attract the kind of consumer whose attitude is I am a customer, I demand satisfaction. That's progress, I guess. The one bit of your message I couldn't make sense of is that you claim to be too old for QRP. As someone who wrote QRP: Less power, more fun (http://www.g4ilo.com/qrp.html) it might surprise you to know that I can understand why some people might not be interested in QRP, but being too old for it is a new one on me! -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/5/07, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much as I want to like the little company that could, Elecraft folks need to recognize that despite their existing rabidly pro customer base, they are now reaching another type of customer with the advanced K3. This new customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the QRP and toy rigs niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft. Me, I am a new type customer, not interested in QRP (I'm too old), back packing (same), and tiny rigs (same agn). I assemble to save money, not much for the fun. I like operating, not tinkering. I purchase based on outstanding specs, not other marketing ploys. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote: As soon as I realised the K3 was going to be available built, I foresaw that it would attract the kind of consumer whose attitude is I am a customer, I demand satisfaction. That's progress, I guess. Hm, guess the word progress has a different meaning on your side of the pond. Me, I am a new type customer, not interested in QRP (I'm too old), back packing (same), and tiny rigs (same agn). I assemble to save money, not much for the fun. I like operating, not tinkering. I purchase based on outstanding specs, not other marketing ploys. I thought statements like marketing ploys and blowing his own horn as a marketing consultant was much more telling than saying he was too old for QRP. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer and appliance operator www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
In a message dated 9/5/07 11:51:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This new customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the QRP and toy rigs niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft. What are toy rigs? 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/5/07 11:51:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This new customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the QRP and toy rigs niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft. What are toy rigs? Probably the ones that are in teeny cases, that someone put together and less than 100 watts. Oh...and they might also be the ones that are really good cw rigs...since that's an obsolete mode, it's like shoes with button hooks. Which reminds me...are the K3 button hooks convex or concave? 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
- Original Message - From: Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one bit of your message I couldn't make sense of is that you claim to be too old for QRP. As someone who wrote QRP: Less power, more fun (http://www.g4ilo.com/qrp.html) it might surprise you to know that I can understand why some people might not be interested in QRP, but being too old for it is a new one on me! With age comes wisdom, with wisdom the skill to use QRP. Just wait until you see the Elecraft 1500w power amp - I bet you'll have your order sent off within 48 hours. Simon HB9DRV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
