Re: [O] README.org on github
Waldemar Quevedo waldemar.quev...@gmail.com writes: My name is Waldemar, and I am the current maintainer of the org-ruby gem. It looks like thanks to you (and many others who reported this) github/markup was updated so that it uses the 0.7.0 org-ruby version of the gem! https://github.com/github/markup/commit/ b0144938d42c4e0b0f308c4e9cb1e5a23c155c72 Wow, that's great news, thanks! I know that org-ruby html export implementation is far from perfect, but this will improve some things until a better solution that fits Github backed is build. For example, syntax highlighting #+begin_src blocks through Pygments should be available in Github with this release (in theory). I tried both Elisp and C code in a #+begin_src block, but it didn't get highlighted on github. Not a big problem, really, but exactly the kind of thing that will help README.org files take the world over :) Again, great news, -- Bastien
Re: [O] README.org on github
Hi Tom, Tom Regner t...@goochesa.de writes: Maybe you could make yourself heard in the issue I opened [fn:1]; it is actually the third issue I opened, I never got a response and closed the other ones -- maybe my conclusions are wrong, and an update of org-ruby wouldn't help (that much) -- but with more people actually requesting better org-support, maybe it will get a bit more attention and progress. kine regards, Tom ¹ https://github.com/bdewey/org-ruby [fn:1] https://github.com/github/markup/issues/117 I pushed a +100 on this request. I doubt it will change anything, but who knows. The best way to make sure something happens is to stick to using org markup in github. -- Bastien
Re: [O] README.org on github
Bastien, My name is Waldemar, and I am the current maintainer of the org-ruby gem. It looks like thanks to you (and many others who reported this) github/markup was updated so that it uses the 0.7.0 org-ruby version of the gem! https://github.com/github/markup/commit/b0144938d42c4e0b0f308c4e9cb1e5a23c155c72 I know that org-ruby html export implementation is far from perfect, but this will improve some things until a better solution that fits Github backed is build. For example, syntax highlighting #+begin_src blocks through Pygments should be available in Github with this release (in theory). Thanks a lot! - Wally On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote: Hi Tom, Tom Regner t...@goochesa.de writes: Maybe you could make yourself heard in the issue I opened [fn:1]; it is actually the third issue I opened, I never got a response and closed the other ones -- maybe my conclusions are wrong, and an update of org-ruby wouldn't help (that much) -- but with more people actually requesting better org-support, maybe it will get a bit more attention and progress. kine regards, Tom ? https://github.com/bdewey/org-ruby [fn:1] https://github.com/github/markup/issues/117 I pushed a +100 on this request. I doubt it will change anything, but who knows. The best way to make sure something happens is to stick to using org markup in github. -- Bastien
Re: [O] README.org on github
Hi Tom, On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Tom Regner t...@goochesa.de wrote: Hi, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes: I see source blocks formated as example blocks. Is that the same as you are seeing? If so, I wouldn't call that support for source blocks. I would expect to see syntax highlighting like pure source files on GitHub. org-ruby is in it's current form not capable to do that, but it's currently actively developed [fn:1] (maybe not for org-mode standards :-D, the last commit was 8 days ago) and there are a few items on the todo list. And all shortcomings aside, an update on github/markups side would at least make the usage of org-documents on github bearable. Sorry if my comments seemed like a complaint/gripe. When an org-mode user says, feature bla is supported they usually mean the whole thing, with all the bells and whistles (e.g. source block would imply with syntax highlighting). So I just wanted to clarify it was incorrect to say source blocks are supported. Only sufficient demand for org-documents will foster betterment I guess. Yes I realise that. I have never interacted with GitHub staff for feature requests. Being a long time org-mode user (post-6.33, that's ages in org years :-p), maybe I should give that a try. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.
Re: [O] README.org on github
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Tom Regner t...@goochesa.de wrote: Hi, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes: I see source blocks formated as example blocks. Is that the same as you are seeing? If so, I wouldn't call that support for source blocks. I would expect to see syntax highlighting like pure source files on GitHub. org-ruby is in it's current form not capable to do that, but it's currently actively developed [fn:1] (maybe not for org-mode standards :-D, the last commit was 8 days ago) and there are a few items on the todo list. And all shortcomings aside, an update on github/markups side would at least make the usage of org-documents on github bearable. Sorry if my comments seemed like a complaint/gripe. When an org-mode user says, feature bla is supported they usually mean the whole thing, with all the bells and whistles (e.g. source block would imply with syntax highlighting). So I just wanted to clarify it was incorrect to say source blocks are supported. Yes, you are right. Apologies for overlooking that. But, this feature shouldn't be too hard to add using albino or pygments.rb. I tried poking around org-ruby's code a little bit, but hit a roadblock, which was a bit too much for my limited ruby skills. I'll open an issue on org-ruby and see where it goes. Only sufficient demand for org-documents will foster betterment I guess. Yes I realise that. I have never interacted with GitHub staff for feature requests. Being a long time org-mode user (post-6.33, that's ages in org years :-p), maybe I should give that a try. I've tweeted to them at least a couple of times (in the past few months) regarding this, but haven't yet got any response from them. May be someone should send an email to supp...@github.com. I got back replies for other things in about a week or so, on email. In general, GitHub staff seem like a nice bunch of people to me. Thanks! Puneeth
Re: [O] README.org on github
suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes: Only sufficient demand for org-documents will foster betterment I guess. Yes I realise that. I have never interacted with GitHub staff for feature requests. Being a long time org-mode user (post-6.33, that's ages in org years :-p), maybe I should give that a try. I will too -- I'm a shy user of github but I'm there and will try to push for a better support if the need arises. -- Bastien
Re: [O] README.org on github
Puneeth Chaganti puncha...@gmail.com writes: I've tweeted to them at least a couple of times (in the past few months) regarding this, but haven't yet got any response from them. May be someone should send an email to supp...@github.com. I got back replies for other things in about a week or so, on email. In general, GitHub staff seem like a nice bunch of people to me. Actually, I would love to see Org files supported on gitorious.org and other free dVCS web services. This would create a nice emulation among them all. -- Bastien
Re: [O] README.org on github
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/05/12 09:35, Bastien wrote: Hi Rainer, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com writes: I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? No. To bad ... What do I have to do to achieve this? The help on https://github.com/github/markup sounds kryptic to me. The thing to do would be to improve org-ruby¹, which is used to convert README.org into HTML. Please contact org-ruby's author or github people for this. ¹ https://github.com/bdewey/org-ruby Thanks - as I wrote to Eric, I will stick with a basic layout. Cheers, Rainer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+5/w0ACgkQoYgNqgF2egpETACfTBwVe+ozu19YhB06uhyy+Nom LiwAnRHPNSuOaAoaI4Q72qtklCkjC/aJ =KBQv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [O] README.org on github
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/05/12 00:05, Neil Smithline wrote: I've been looking at this too. I go with Bastien. Work with me to improve org-ruby gem or export to HTML before pushing to Git. Hi Neil, Unfortunately I know nothing about ruby and it would have been a nice to have for me - So I'll try the html route or for the time being stick with a simpler README.org file. Cheers, Rainer Neil Smithline http://www.neilsmithline.com Proud GNU Emacs user since 1986, v. 18.24. On Sun May 20 00:03:12 2012, François Pinard wrote: Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com writes: I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? Hi, Rainer. I'm not sure I'm really replying to your request, but nevertheless hope my comments might be useful. Having recently had a similar need, I gave into the following compromise: I push README.md (in Markdown format) on GitHub, but maintain my real sources as README.org (well, under a different name) at home. Directly quoting from the README.md file on GitHub: I currently much enjoy Org format for handling my own notes, and do not feel like switching to Markdown for original sources. So, README.md gets derived automatically from the Org source. Some of my Org notes are private, and even for the public ones, there are :noexport: sections. Because of these private parts, I do not make my Org sources directly available. Nodemacs.org becomes an HTML file through the Org publishing feature, and that HTML file is later turned into a Markdown file using the impressive Pandoc tool. Climbing from generated HTML back to the structural intent is not a trivial job in my opinion. Not only Pandoc did it well, it was blazing fast at it. Moreover, as it is written in Haskell, it scratches on my prejudice of Haskell being essentially an academical language! Pandoc is an installable package on the Ubuntu system I use, so very easy to install. To use, I added a Makefile containing: --8---cut here---start-8--- # Internal goals README.md: ~/fp/web/notes/Nodemacs.html pandoc -o $@ $^ --8---cut here---end---8--- to the project. The script which regularly synchronizes my projects from home to GitHub executes make in each project before pushing, this ensures for this one that README.md is up to date. I did not experiment with code blocks however, and cannot say how well or bad it works. François P.S. - Before Pandoc, I tried w3m -dump, which yielded something a little too flat for my taste. I also tried the generic exporter with Markdown parametrization, which did not produce a usable enough result. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+6AD0ACgkQoYgNqgF2egoU6QCdE1/kNsLZwDKPRFZoHXGcwzi7 9wcAni6cq16IdJy/J0UYuNNgFRpVu9iJ =z4NF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [O] README.org on github
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/05/12 09:35, Bastien wrote: Hi Rainer, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com writes: I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? No. To bad ... Actually, embedding code blocks in the README does work[1][2]. You need to use all upper case keywords, i.e., BEGIN_SRC or BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead of begin_src or begin_example. [1] - https://github.com/punchagan/experiri/blob/master/README.org [2] - https://raw.github.com/punchagan/experiri/master/README.org
Re: [O] README.org on github
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/05/12 10:57, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/05/12 09:35, Bastien wrote: Hi Rainer, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com writes: I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? No. To bad ... Actually, embedding code blocks in the README does work[1][2]. You need to use all upper case keywords, i.e., BEGIN_SRC or BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead of begin_src or begin_example. Great - then I will change this in my .org file. Now I just began to prefer the small-letter version... Cheers, Rainer [1] - https://github.com/punchagan/experiri/blob/master/README.org [2] - https://raw.github.com/punchagan/experiri/master/README.org - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+6BJwACgkQoYgNqgF2egpWGwCffoMwvwQb06r3XlwKk+IFz2tj 1yQAnRNmu0L3WklEbpjd6ykUObIxRfyZ =U4q8 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [O] README.org on github
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/05/12 10:57, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/05/12 09:35, Bastien wrote: Hi Rainer, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com writes: I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? No. To bad ... Actually, embedding code blocks in the README does work[1][2]. You need to use all upper case keywords, i.e., BEGIN_SRC or BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead of begin_src or begin_example. Great - then I will change this in my .org file. Now I just began to prefer the small-letter version... Yes, I too prefer the lower-case version, and this has been fixed in the latest version of org-ruby. But, the version that GitHub uses is a very old one, and somebody opened an issue [1] to update the version being used. [1] - https://github.com/github/markup/issues/117
Re: [O] README.org on github
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/05/12 11:57, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/05/12 10:57, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/05/12 09:35, Bastien wrote: Hi Rainer, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com writes: I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? No. To bad ... Actually, embedding code blocks in the README does work[1][2]. You need to use all upper case keywords, i.e., BEGIN_SRC or BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead of begin_src or begin_example. Great - then I will change this in my .org file. Now I just began to prefer the small-letter version... Yes, I too prefer the lower-case version, and this has been fixed in the latest version of org-ruby. But, the version that GitHub uses is a very old one, and somebody opened an issue [1] to update the version being used. Good to know, that I am not the only one... Cheers, Rainer [1] - https://github.com/github/markup/issues/117 - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+6E00ACgkQoYgNqgF2egqA5ACeL7UF9XbdWpqeECILjcQ9Npjg GDkAn18xqJvCxGXIUjvoC3MZd4xSVGl6 =DiPC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [O] README.org on github
Hi Puneeth, On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Puneeth Chaganti puncha...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, embedding code blocks in the README does work[1][2]. You need to use all upper case keywords, i.e., BEGIN_SRC or BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead of begin_src or begin_example. [1] - https://github.com/punchagan/experiri/blob/master/README.org [2] - https://raw.github.com/punchagan/experiri/master/README.org I see source blocks formated as example blocks. Is that the same as you are seeing? If so, I wouldn't call that support for source blocks. I would expect to see syntax highlighting like pure source files on GitHub. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.
Re: [O] README.org on github
Note: Resend to the list; I did send this mail to bastien alone, not the list - mea culpa. Hi, Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: Hi Rainer, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com writes: I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? No. It depends - org-ruby in versions starting with 0.6 is at least a bit more capable -- the version used with github-markup is quite old, as far as I can tell; you won't get syntax highlighting, but better recognition of org-blocks of different kind - you can install it as a ruby gem and experiment a little on your local machine. I installed github/markup locally and changed the Gemfile to enforce versions from 0.6.0 upward -- at least my zshrc.org[fn:2] looked a lot better processed with newer versions. What do I have to do to achieve this? The help on https://github.com/github/markup sounds kryptic to me. The thing to do would be to improve org-ruby¹, which is used to convert README.org into HTML. Please contact org-ruby's author or github people for this. Maybe you could make yourself heard in the issue I opened [fn:1]; it is actually the third issue I opened, I never got a response and closed the other ones -- maybe my conclusions are wrong, and an update of org-ruby wouldn't help (that much) -- but with more people actually requesting better org-support, maybe it will get a bit more attention and progress. kine regards, Tom ¹ https://github.com/bdewey/org-ruby [fn:1] https://github.com/github/markup/issues/117 [fn:2] https://github.com/tomterl/zshorg/blob/master/zshrc.org
Re: [O] README.org on github
Hi, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes: Hi Puneeth, On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Puneeth Chaganti puncha...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, embedding code blocks in the README does work[1][2]. You need to use all upper case keywords, i.e., BEGIN_SRC or BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead of begin_src or begin_example. [1] - https://github.com/punchagan/experiri/blob/master/README.org [2] - https://raw.github.com/punchagan/experiri/master/README.org I see source blocks formated as example blocks. Is that the same as you are seeing? If so, I wouldn't call that support for source blocks. I would expect to see syntax highlighting like pure source files on GitHub. org-ruby is in it's current form not capable to do that, but it's currently actively developed [fn:1] (maybe not for org-mode standards :-D, the last commit was 8 days ago) and there are a few items on the todo list. And all shortcomings aside, an update on github/markups side would at least make the usage of org-documents on github bearable. Only sufficient demand for org-documents will foster betterment I guess. Kind regards, Tom [fn:1] https://github.com/bdewey/org-ruby
Re: [O] README.org on github
I've been looking at this too. I go with Bastien. Work with me to improve org-ruby gem or export to HTML before pushing to Git. Neil Smithline http://www.neilsmithline.com Proud GNU Emacs user since 1986, v. 18.24. On Sun May 20 00:03:12 2012, François Pinard wrote: Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com writes: I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? Hi, Rainer. I'm not sure I'm really replying to your request, but nevertheless hope my comments might be useful. Having recently had a similar need, I gave into the following compromise: I push README.md (in Markdown format) on GitHub, but maintain my real sources as README.org (well, under a different name) at home. Directly quoting from the README.md file on GitHub: I currently much enjoy Org format for handling my own notes, and do not feel like switching to Markdown for original sources. So, README.md gets derived automatically from the Org source. Some of my Org notes are private, and even for the public ones, there are :noexport: sections. Because of these private parts, I do not make my Org sources directly available. Nodemacs.org becomes an HTML file through the Org publishing feature, and that HTML file is later turned into a Markdown file using the impressive Pandoc tool. Climbing from generated HTML back to the structural intent is not a trivial job in my opinion. Not only Pandoc did it well, it was blazing fast at it. Moreover, as it is written in Haskell, it scratches on my prejudice of Haskell being essentially an academical language! Pandoc is an installable package on the Ubuntu system I use, so very easy to install. To use, I added a Makefile containing: --8---cut here---start-8--- # Internal goals README.md: ~/fp/web/notes/Nodemacs.html pandoc -o $@ $^ --8---cut here---end---8--- to the project. The script which regularly synchronizes my projects from home to GitHub executes make in each project before pushing, this ensures for this one that README.md is up to date. I did not experiment with code blocks however, and cannot say how well or bad it works. François P.S. - Before Pandoc, I tried w3m -dump, which yielded something a little too flat for my taste. I also tried the generic exporter with Markdown parametrization, which did not produce a usable enough result.
Re: [O] README.org on github
Hi Rainer, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com writes: I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? No. What do I have to do to achieve this? The help on https://github.com/github/markup sounds kryptic to me. The thing to do would be to improve org-ruby¹, which is used to convert README.org into HTML. Please contact org-ruby's author or github people for this. ¹ https://github.com/bdewey/org-ruby -- Bastien
Re: [O] README.org on github
Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com writes: I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? Hi, Rainer. I'm not sure I'm really replying to your request, but nevertheless hope my comments might be useful. Having recently had a similar need, I gave into the following compromise: I push README.md (in Markdown format) on GitHub, but maintain my real sources as README.org (well, under a different name) at home. Directly quoting from the README.md file on GitHub: I currently much enjoy Org format for handling my own notes, and do not feel like switching to Markdown for original sources. So, README.md gets derived automatically from the Org source. Some of my Org notes are private, and even for the public ones, there are :noexport: sections. Because of these private parts, I do not make my Org sources directly available. Nodemacs.org becomes an HTML file through the Org publishing feature, and that HTML file is later turned into a Markdown file using the impressive Pandoc tool. Climbing from generated HTML back to the structural intent is not a trivial job in my opinion. Not only Pandoc did it well, it was blazing fast at it. Moreover, as it is written in Haskell, it scratches on my prejudice of Haskell being essentially an academical language! Pandoc is an installable package on the Ubuntu system I use, so very easy to install. To use, I added a Makefile containing: --8---cut here---start-8--- # Internal goals README.md: ~/fp/web/notes/Nodemacs.html pandoc -o $@ $^ --8---cut here---end---8--- to the project. The script which regularly synchronizes my projects from home to GitHub executes make in each project before pushing, this ensures for this one that README.md is up to date. I did not experiment with code blocks however, and cannot say how well or bad it works. François P.S. - Before Pandoc, I tried w3m -dump, which yielded something a little too flat for my taste. I also tried the generic exporter with Markdown parametrization, which did not produce a usable enough result.
[O] README.org on github
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi THis is a slightly off topic question, but it concerns org. I would like to use a README.org file on github, and also include code blocks in the README.org - is this possible? What do I have to do to achieve this? The help on https://github.com/github/markup sounds kryptic to me. Thanks, Rainer - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+2mLwACgkQoYgNqgF2egpyzgCfeZB62VI7bNZNp7Hf7HGVa3iw SlsAnj+2AbzFYDHRdZo3sfNlvd+YPQnf =Y+IX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
