RE: Canadian requirements for reception of Closed Captioning
Mat, try this: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/1985/PB85-28.HTM The agency responsible is the CRTC (the FCC of the Great White North, although it is a dull brown-gray now). There might be more material somewhere else, but my search on closed captioning yielded the above document. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com From: Aschenberg, Mat [mailto:matt.aschenb...@echostar.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:21 PM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: Canadian requirements for reception of Closed Captioning Greetings, I am trying to locate Canada's requirements for television sets, which requires the display of closed caption text. Do you know where it is located, or what the documents name might be? Thanks, Mat Mat Aschenberg Agency Engineer EchoStar Technologies Corporation Englewood, Colorado (303) 706-5064
RE: Corrosion tests - NEBS or Milspec acceleration factors?
Gary, you should have been at the Vz NEBS conference (which ended yesterday) and asked this question. One of the presenters was Ernie Gallo from Telcordia, and judging from his very informative presentation, may be able to answer your question. Ernie can be reached @ 973.829.4638 or via e-mail (I'm copying him as well) @ ega...@telcordia.com - Ernie, the floor is yours. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com From: GARY MCINTURFF [mailto:mcinturff3...@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:20 PM To: emc-pstc Subject: Corrosion tests - NEBS or Milspec accleration factors? Question came up. Is there any real time correlation for some of the NEBS endurance tests. Salt corrosion (outdoor units - GR-487) for example.? In other words does the 200 hour test relate to 20 years real exposure to salt fog and spray common in port cities. Same question for the Mix flow gases and/or the hygroscopic dust tests. The test can be looked at one of two ways - 1) There is a direct acceleration correlation for every hour in the chambers the equipment would experience similar corrosion in 2 weeks of exposure if installed in a seaport etc. 4 hours 8 weeks etc. 2) The tests may be overly harsh, but experience has shown that while not directly relatable if the equipment withstands the various tests then it will last at least as long as the contracted life of the equipment. Say 20 Years! GR-1089 and GR-63 don't seem to provide this information. Is there somewhere else I should be looking? Thanks Gary
Battery pack for Schaffner NSG 435 ESD simulator
Folks, we have a need for a second battery pack for Schaffner NSG 435 ESD simulator. Other than Schaffner (which is a bit pricey), is there anyone else out there who makes these battery packs? Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com http://www.catena.com ) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com mailto:nsh...@catena.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: AC Power variation standard
Marko, in the past I used http://www.cris.com/~kropla/electric.htm and http://www.getnet.com/~davidh/voltage.html, but they are no longer active. Try http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/machinery/ecabroad.html, and have a look at the bottom of the page for voltage tolerance by country. Try also http://www.kropla.com/electric2.htm (apparently, http://www.cris.com/~kropla/electric.htm moved). Hope this helps. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: marko.radoji...@nokia.com [mailto:marko.radoji...@nokia.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:01 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:AC Power variation standard Hello, A little off-topic perhaps but ... I am currently writing an internal Hardware Quality Assurance standard and would like to find a reference standard which details AC line voltage variation. For operating ranges, we are currently using: - 90 to 125VAC on 100/120VAC nominal - 190 to 260VAC on 220/235VAC nominal And for Brown-out, we are using: - 80VAC for 100/120VAC nominal - 160VAC for 220/235VAC nominal I have no little idea why these numbers were chosen and would love to refer to some national or, preferably, international specification. For once, Google has left me high and dry. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Marko Marko Radojicic Nokia Internet Communications 313 Fairchild Drive Mountain View, CA 94043-2215 marko.radoji...@nokia.com (650) 625-2624 (desk) (650) 796-1131 (cell) This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Standards for Israel
Last I heard (and those from Israel or with better information, feel free to correct), is that almost any type approval report/s will be accepted: 1. a CB safety report will be nice, participates in the CB scheme and has a safety standard that is derived from the 950 (no idea which vintage) 2. CISPR 22 / FCC Part 15 type report is also acceptable in-lieu of emission testing Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com From: Brooks, Barbara [mailto:bbro...@hnt.wylelabs.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:45 PM To: EMC Post Subject: Standards for Israel Could anyone provide me with information about what standards would be required for compliance of an ITE / Audio Visual product for Israel? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Barbara Brooks Wyle Laboratories 7800 Highway 20 West Huntsville, AL 35806 (256) 837-4411 ext 595 (256) 721-0144 Fax mailto:bbro...@hnt.wylelabs.com bbro...@hnt.wylelabs.com mailto:kf4...@hotmail.com kf4...@hotmail.com
RE: Medical Devices Environmental Requirements
Are there any customers-specific requirements? In the telecom industry, NEBS/ETSI (Telcordia GR-63 ETS 300 019) come to mind. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: Mandel, Joel [mailto:joel_man...@adc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:43 AM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject:Medical Devices Environmental Requirements Hi All Can anybody help me out with Environmental testing requirement/Standards (Temp,Vibration) for medical devices? Thank You Joel Mandel Reliability Dept ADC Israel --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
A call for help /or recommendation/s
List members, For one of our applications, we have a need for an off-the-shelf an AC transformer (input: 120 Volts, 60 Hz, NEMA 5-15 plug, may consider NEMA 1-15. Output: 6 - 30 Volts, screw-on terminals, may consider flying leads) that can operate over industrial temperature ranges (-40 to +85 Centigrade) for weather protected, outdoor use. Commercial temperature (0 to +70 Centigrade) units that are cheap and readily available do the job (we tested a few), but are not safety rated over our required temperature range. Question: are you aware of anyone, anywhere, making such a wall-wart to the industrial temperature range? If yes, please share with us. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com http://www.catena.com ) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com mailto:nsh...@catena.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: SBC NEBS Customer Checklist
To the best of knowledge, that is correct. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: Collins, Jeffrey [mailto:jcoll...@ciena.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:48 PM To: EMC-PSTC Subject:SBC NEBS Customer Checklist Hi Group, Can anyone confirm that the latest revision of the SBC Power Grounding, Environmental and Physical Design Requirements is TP76200MP, May 2001. Thanks in advance, Jeffrey Collins Sr. HW Engineering Manager EMC/ NEBS/ Reliability/ Safety CIENA Core Switching Division 10480 Ridgeview Court, Cupertino, CA. 95014 (408) 366-4806, Fax (408) 366-4867 jcoll...@ciena.com http://www.ciena.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Newcomer to NEBS
In addition to the new GR-63 that came out (and there are already clarifications supplied by Telcordia, based on industry queries - call Rich Kluge), Telcordia is now amending GR-1089 (November time frame) with some drastic changes: 1. Ferrites are being banned from cables leaving the test chamber during radiated emissions/immunity (filters allowed) 2. EFT added Read the standards (the conference was good as a primer), talk to a competent lab and prepare $$$: NEBS is not a cheap proposition. The photos shown by Verizon about the fate of 140 West St CO (that stood next to #7 WTC building) shows the importance of NEBS to such a disaster. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: Garry Hojan [mailto:gho...@regulatory-compliance.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:04 PM To: Gary McInturff; Jim Eichner; EMC-PSTC - forum Subject:RE: Newcomer to NEBS Hi Jim, In addition to looking for a competent test house, if you are going to be dealing with Verizon, make sure that the test house is approved by Verizon as an ITL. Their *Verizon's* requirements, from both a scrutiny and monetary standpoint, have unfortunately reduced the number of choices you will have. Also, it is always recommended to have the blessing of the test plans by the RBOCs prior to going through the entire process (it always amazes me that this is rarely done). This can and will reduce your post test headaches. Just another 2 cents. Best regards, Garry Hojan www.regulatory-compliance.com Watch for our soon to be released NEW and IMPROVED website. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gary McInturff Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:36 AM To: Jim Eichner; EMC-PSTC - forum Subject: RE: Newcomer to NEBS Seems simple enough request but for every reference I'm going to give you someone will point out that some RBOC or other has different requirements, and they will be quite correct. In fact AT T actually calls its documents NEDS not NEBS. The NEBS conference is going on this week and a new issue of GR-63 is coming out, but Verizon has already said they would reject it. This is typical of the process so be prepared to deal with it. The is a document SR-3580 Network Equipment-Building System (NEBS) Criteria Levels A Module of NEBSFR, FR-2063. That theoretically defines these requirements - but Verizon objects to them and places their own requirements on the different classifications for class 1 through 3. The other RBOCS have some heartburn with it as well, but it may at least be a starting point. Very basically there are really only two practical types for switch and routing equipment. Level 1 for co-locations inside RBOC facilities where the RBOCs are required to provide space and power to competitors. and level 3 for Central office locations - (the RBOCs themselves own the equipment). Next you have to worry about earthquake ratings etc, zones 1 through 4. No really much sense, in my opinion, of doing anything less than level 4. The RBOC's have pretty large areas of operation and they all have zone 4 areas. So unless you are planning on restricting where you equipment goes you'll need to go to level 4. You're going to have to sit down with the standards and a good test house to get this all straight Jim, and then you'll only be close. You have to deal with NEBS (Purchase the FR-2063 CD referenced about and it contains GR-63, GR-1089 the SR-3580 document and GR-78 - grab a beer a do some light reading, and then discuss deviations with a good test house. There are slight differences for SBC, AT T, and Verizon just wonders around on their own. Verizon has it requirements on its website, as does ATT 802-010-100 but you'll have to dig around on their web site as I don't have the URL's at the moment. Gary -Original Message- From: Jim Eichner [mailto:jim.eich...@xantrex.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:46 PM To: 'EMC-PSTC - forum' Subject: Newcomer to NEBS I'm starting up the learning curve on NEBS compliance, and am looking for any web resources or articles that would have a management-level primer on the requirements. All I know is that it covers EMC, safety, and environmental, there are different levels (1, 2, and 3?), and different potential customers disagree on what level we need to have. We need to understand the basic differences between these levels, how much testing is involved for each level, and what the cost might be. Of course we are going to get our hands on the standard(s) and study them, but in the meantime a primer would be very useful. We would also consider seminars if there's something close by the Pacific northwest. Thanks, Jim Eichner, P.Eng
RE: Acousic Noise from ITE
Found in my dusty folder of seldom-used standards: ETS 300 753: October 1997 (Equipment Engineering; Acoustic noise emitted by telecommunication equipment) Is references: 1. ISO 7779 2. ISO 9296 3. ETS 300 019-1 (1994) 4. EEC directive 86/188/EEC 5. ETR 116 (1994) 6. ECMA TR/27 Call me if you need more information. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:44 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Acousic Noise from ITE Are there any EU or national (e.g. GS) normative requirements to comply with any of the following standards or any other acoustic standards for ITE? EN27779 Acoustic measurement of airborn noise emitted by computer and business equipment. EN29295 Acoustic measurement of high frequency noise emitted by computer and business equipment. ISO 9296 Acoustics declared noise emission values of emitted by computer and business equipment. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Noise Levels for Household Appliances / Medical Devices
Peter, I don't have a clue to what levels we are exposed at home (never measured) or what standard/s do apply, but for telecom equipment in North America and Europe I have some references: 1. For Europe, ETS 300 753 (my version is from October 1997) uses the range of 5-5.5 bels for close proximity in an office environment - contact me off-line for further details 2. In North America, Telcordia GR-63 uses the range of 60-65 dBA in a 'similar' environment Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:09 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Noise Levels for Household Appliances / Medical Devices Dear All, Any recommended European or North American noise levels for household appliances such as massagers? What are the applicable standards? Any recommended European or North American noise levels for medical equipment, such as massagers used by professionals in a therapy center? What are the applicable standards? This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: stun guns on aircraft
This has nothing to do with EMC or Product safety forum, so please stop this thread. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: A very nice game
If I'm not wrong, this is the KLEZ virus (Win32.Klez.I@mm). Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:19 AM To: 'Bill Ellingford'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: A very nice game Bill, Do we know which virus it was? Regards -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [SMTP:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:37 PM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: A very nice game Importance: High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Japan mains voltage
A good source is http://kropla.com/electric2.htm http://kropla.com/electric2.htm . According to that site: Japan100V50/60 Hz* A, B http://kropla.com/!ab.htm *Eastern Japan 50 Hz (Tokyo, Kawasaki, Sapporo, Yokohoma, and Sendai); Western Japan 60 Hz (Osaka, Kyoto, Nagoya, Hiroshima The plugs (A, B) are shown on http://kropla.com/!ab.htm http://kropla.com/!ab.htm . Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: Darren Pearson [mailto:dar...@genesysibs.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:46 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Japan mains voltage Can anyone tell me what the mains voltage is in Japan, I think it is 110V but I do not know the frequency. apart from this, does any one know of a web site that gives information about the mains voltage and frequency of various countries ? Regards Darren. Darren Pearson Radio Telecom Approval Services Genesys Singleton Court, Wonastow Road Monmouth, NP25 5JA UK Tel: +44 1600 710300 Fax: +44 1600 710301 email: dar...@genesysibs.com mailto:dar...@genesysibs.com web: www.genesysibs.com http://www.genesysibs.com
RE: W32.Magister virus
The IEEE anti-virus scanner just reported this: InterScan has detected a virus PE_Magistr.B in the file (arguments.exe) in the mail traffic sent to you by ... Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: paul_j_sm...@notes.teradyne.com [mailto:paul_j_sm...@notes.teradyne.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:26 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:W32.Magister virus Have you folks heard of a W32.magister virus There are two (2) variants that I have heard of w32.magister.24876@mm and w32.magister.39921@mm Is there any way an infected system with windows 98 can be booted with the above virus? Is there any available website with boot software to start up a computer that is infected? Regards, Paul J Smith, Teradyne, Boston --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Tetanization
I believe that both conditions (the electric stimulation and the disease) exhibit the same final result: 'fusion' (rigidity) of the muscle/s see also http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/tettoxpi.htm (click on tetanus for the explanation of the disease). Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:39 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Re: Tetanization I read in !emc-pstc that Price, Ed ed.pr...@cubic.com wrote (in b78135310217d511907c0090273f5190d0b...@curly.ds.cubic.com) about 'Tetanization', on Wed, 14 Nov 2001: I was discussing tetanus with my wife. She checked some of her old textbooks and found the attached explanation of tetanus and a very good graphic. In the field of electric shock, tetanus is the technical term describing what we commonly refer to as can't let go. Tetanus occurs in the range of 7 to 50 mA. It seems to me that the actual word 'tetanus' is not used for this in Britain, maybe because of the risk of confusion with the infection. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Testfacilities GR-1089-Core
Chris, I'm not so familiar in what the European labs can offer, but I believe that Hermon Labs in Israel can provide these services (and more). Feel free to contact her...@netvision.net.il and ask for Dr. Edward Usoskin or Gonen Usishkin. Feel free to post your findings. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 Voice 613.599.6430 x.8277; Fax 613.599.6433 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: Chris Collin [mailto:globalass...@altavista.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:58 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Testfacilities GR-1089-Core Hi, I'm looking for test facilities in Europe or Asia that can perform tests for Bellcore (better now TelCordia) GR-1089-CORE? Thanks for any information. Chris Collin Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: F-Squared Labs
So it looks like the chap @ F-squared Labs got a hold of our e-mail addresses, somehow, because I also received it and not through the IEEE server. Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive Kanata, ON K2K 3C8, Canada Voice: 613.599.6430, X.8277 Fax: 613.599.6433 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: John Juhasz [mailto:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:52 PM To: 'Russell, Ray' Cc: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: RE: F-Squared Labs Group, Please accept my apologies for posting a reply to a message that I had thought (incorrectly 'assumed') came via the emc-pstc listserv (I must've been seeing things - that happens with age). John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Russell, Ray [ mailto:ray_russ...@gastmfg.com mailto:ray_russ...@gastmfg.com ] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:41 PM To: 'John Juhasz' Subject: RE: F-Squared Labs John, I share your opinion that commercial advertisements should not be included on this newsgroup. So I am confused. I did not receive the mail from F-Squared labs, I only received it from you, via the IEEE newsgroup. Ray -Original Message- From: John Juhasz [ mailto:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com mailto:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com ] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:25 AM To: 'mna...@f2labs.com' Cc: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: RE: F-Squared Labs Mark, This is my own opinion, but it may/may not be shared by others here . . . While I personally welcome posts from anyone who offers sound regulatory information, especially those from laboratories (we have a few regular contributors who are lab managers), everyone here has been good at policing themselves from posting commercial advertisement. Please feel free to comment and interject into this forum. We would welcome your expertise . . . Regards, John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia -Original Message- From: Mark naber [ mailto:mna...@f2labs.com mailto:mna...@f2labs.com mailto:mna...@f2labs.com mailto:mna...@f2labs.com ] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:21 AM To: jjuh...@fiberoptions.com Subject: F-Squared Labs Who? F-Squared Laboratories? F-Squared Laboratories can test and certify a product that you manufacture or brand label if it... · is electrically-powered, · is considered a hardware product, or, · is a mechanical, process control, or medical device, or a laboratory instrument. We can get your products into one or more of the US, Canadian, European and/or International Markets, via FCC/CISPR, Product Safety, EMC/EMI, Environmental or Hazardous Location testing. On a regular basis we test and certify products to countless US and Canadian Standards, and various European Union Directives and International Standards and Country Deviations, so that you can obtain applicable approvals or certifications for; · NRTL for North America, to include field-labeling, · EMC for North America, the European Union and International markets · Industrie Canada, equivalent to FCC Pt. 15 testing in the US, · FCC - Declaration of Conformity, Verification or Certification, · HAZ-LOC (Hazardous-Location) for the US Canada, · Ex Marking and ATEX Directive for International Markets, · CE Marking (LV, EMC Mechanical Dir.) for the European Union (EU), · CB Scheme for 30+ countries, which includes Asia and Australia, and, · IEC for other International Markets. Our website www.f2labs.com http://www.f2labs.com http://www.f2labs.com http://www.f2labs.com http://www.f2labs.com speaks about our capabilities in an introductory manner. Of course detailed literature is always available upon request. Please give us an opportunity to provide you with a competitive bid for your next project. Our quick turnaround service is as attractive as our pricing! Call me directly at 301.368.2590, or contact me via email at mna...@f2labs.com mailto:mna...@f2labs.com mailto:mna...@f2labs.com mailto:mna...@f2labs.com mailto:mna...@f2labs.com . Lastly, feel free to print this out for your files, and also forward to others!! Cordially, Mark W. Naber
RE: Doubt with conducted emissions measurement
Muriel, this is a very question, and I'll let better qualified people answer your specific concerns. Now, if I may add my 2 cents worth of experience in a 'similar' situation that involved conducted emission on SIGNAL leads: Under certain conditions, when the required CDN does interfere with signal template (such as T1) and affected equipment functionality, we used a current clamp. The danger of those networks interfering with the measurement/s equipment exists and the test personnel should be aware of it. Season Greetings to all from (already) white Ottawa. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 Voice +1.613.599.6430 X.8277 Fax +1.613.599.6433 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com or n...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Muriel Bittencourt de Liz [mailto:mur...@grucad.ufsc.br] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 11:05 AM To: Lista de EMC da IEEE Subject:Doubt with conducted emissions measurement Hello Group! First of all, I wish a merry christmas and a happy new year for the list members. Second, I'd like to solve a doubt. It concerns the methodology of conducted emissions tests. Let's suppose a power electronic equipment (static converter) that has a boost converter in the entrance that's used for power factor correction (PFC). When I make a conducted emissions test, I plug the converter in a LISN, then I plug the LISN in the outlet, this way (the classical way): Equipment = LISN = Outlet (Mains) Well, the LISN consists of a RLC network that has the purposes of: - prevent that external interference from the mains contaminate the measurement - create a stabilized impedance (50 ohms) in the frequency range of interest (150kHz-30MHz) to make results repeatable, from site to site. Ok, what I've said until here is well known and is present in every book about this subject of EMC. My doubt is this: The LISN can't interfere in the functional operation of the converter? Things like resonance, extra ripple can't occur? And, imagining the worst scenario, can the LISN make my equipment not work according to what's expected? Another thing I was thinking about is the fact that the military tests os conducted emissions are done with a probe, and not using a LISN. I'm very curious about this subject because I was asked about this question and I became very surprised, because I have never thought about this. We are, generally, so interested in results that we forget to ask the basic questions sometimes. Well, I think that's all. Thanks in advance for those who can help me. Best Regards Eng. Muriel Bittencourt de Liz EMC Testing and Troubleshooting Group of Conception and Analysis of Electromagnetic Devices Federal University at Santa Catarina Florianópolis, SC, Brazil --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Compliance of a USB telephone
By the logic presented by Theo, if you surf the Internet via your TV (cable modem and the rest), even your TV or the remote becomes a subject of the RTTE! There must be a demarcation point, and I think that Richard is correct. I am including the following disclaimer which I got from an earlier contributor: The previous is just my opinion (humble or otherwise) and should not be construed as the opinion of my employers (past, present, and future); spouse, offspring or blood relatives; local, state, federal, international, galactic, or universal law, nor any entity of creation - living, dead, or resurrected. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 Voice +1.613.599.6430 X.8277 Fax +1.613.599.6433 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com or n...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:23 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: FW: Compliance of a USB telephone Let's think about this logically. I have a PC with a microphone and speakers that allows me to speak with persons using the internet. Does that mean that my PC, monitor, keyboard, microphone and/or speakers form part of a telecommuncations terminal. I don't think so. Now I get smart and replace my speaker and microphone with a headset. Has anything changed? I don't think so. Now I decide to change out my headset for a handheld device that includes a microphone and earphone. Has anything changed? I don't think so. Richard Woods -- From: H.T. Hildering [SMTP:h.t.hilder...@ktl.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:07 AM To: Gary McInturff; 'Allan G. Carr'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: FW: Compliance of a USB telephone Dear all, The RTTE is meant for terminals. If my message was not clear enough I repeat here once again the RTTE scope (see below). I disagree with Gary regarding his statement that an USB telephone, computers and other indirectly connected stuff are not falling under the RTTE scope (connected directly or indirectly by any means whatsoever whatsoever to interfaces of public telecommunications networks). Just read for yourselves what is stated in the RTTE and conclude for yourselves. telecommunications terminal equipment means a product enabling communication or a relevant component thereof which is intended to be connected directly or indirectly by any means whatsoever to interfaces of public telecommunications networks (that is to say, telecommunications networks used wholly or partly for the provision of publicly available telecommunications services); Perhaps you were confused by the former TTE directive. Indirectly connected equipment was excluded under that directive, but that's history now. Best regards Theo Hildering KTL -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gary McInturff Sent: 14 November 2000 00:01 To: 'Allan G. Carr'; emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: H.T. Hildering Subject: RE: FW: Compliance of a USB telephone Allen, I agree fully with you. The response below, and in particular Only when it is IMPOSSIBLE to reach a public network, ... is wrong for a couple of reasons, but principally ignores the obvious. The USB (and IP) phone is nothing more than a computer peripheral just like a printer or monitor and cannot reach the public phone system. Even if the signals did exit first the phone, then the computer, and then some IP switching system and if, and that is not a certainty, the signal is then sent through a metallic contact to the public phone system it is that interface that must meet the RTTE directive. The phone is at least two devices removed from metallic access. More explicitly using the USB phone example. A USB interface doesn't connect to any public phone system, it can't. At a minimum it doesn't have the right connector. The device it plugs into, the computer itself, is also incapable, again as a minimum it doesn't have the right connector. In the best case an internally installed modem would be the first point at which the RTT E directive can be applied. Even then one should not confuse what is actually being certified. It is the modem not the computer that is powering the modem that has to meet the requirements. Modem manufactures attest to the RTT E regulations by using a computer in a type test but they sure don't test one of each type of computer that is manufactured in the world that happens to have a bus that will accept the modem. Following the Only when it is IMPOSSIBLE dictum would say that all computers should meet the RTTE directive because somebody MIGHT put a modem in them. Good for test labs, not so good for product prices. Nor should there be any concern that the public phone system is being left vulnerable. There indeed is a point at which all of these devices, USB, IP or whichever, MAY be routed to the public phone system through some metallic
FW: How to fix?
Could someone on this list kindly tell me how to get in touch with Tom Bao or Wei Li who are mentioned on the http://www.rcic.com/def_abt.htm http://www.rcic.com/def_abt.htm as the web masters. The e-mail address (t...@uc.com mailto:t...@uc.com ) provided is not current. Also looking for Garry Lundy (ga...@northyork.hp.com mailto:ga...@northyork.hp.com is incorrect). Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 Voice +1.613.599.6430 X.8277 Fax +1.613.599.6433 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com or n...@ieee.org mailto:n...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: System Administrator Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:30 AM To: 't...@uc.com' Subject:Undeliverable: How to fix? Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: How to fix? Sent: 10/26/00 11:29 AM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 't...@uc.com' on 10/26/00 11:30 AM The recipient name is not recognized The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=Catena Technolog;l=CAT01S2-001026152848Z-4938 MSEXCH:IMS:Catena Technologies:CAT01:CAT01S2 3550 (000B099C) 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Sun Loading
Bellcore GR-2834-CORE, section 5.8 (which happened to land on my desk last night) is a good start. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 Voice +1.613.599.6430 X.8277 Fax +1.613.599.6433 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com or n...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 1:33 PM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject:Sun Loading Any one have a good reference for the effects, and simulation of sun loading on environmental cabinets? Thanks Gary --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: RCIC been hacked??
Yes. It looks like the guy(?) has replaced the RCIC home page with his own, but has a message to the system admin. I suggest that Tom (or is/was it Wyle that maintains the site?) contact him/her ASAP. Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 Voice +1.613.599.6430 X.8277 Fax +1.613.599.6433 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com or n...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Mike Morrow [mailto:mi...@ucentric.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 1:32 PM To: EMC Society Subject:RCIC been hacked?? Anyone else getting a Napster message when going to the RCIC site?? Mike Morrow Senior Compliance Engineer Ucentric Systems 978-897-6482 mi...@ucentric.com www.ucentric.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC, NEBS NRTL's
Bandele, even without equipment, lab cost of various NEBS tests in ONE cycle can reach $100k easily. Add to that your time (if you outsource all of your tests). Now, since you are a part of an organization that is building gear costing $250k+, you know that there will ALWAYS be something wrong, so you can count on duplicating some tests (EMC is a very good example). Costs 10 years ago were probably lower, since some NEBS sections (or their importance) were not high on any list. It's only with the competition that there is more enforcement to have a fully NEBS compliant gear. Regards, Naftali Shani, Nortel Networks, Dept. 0S45, MS 117/C1/M05 21 Richardson Side Road, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 2C1 Voice +1.613.765.2505 (ESN 395) Fax +1.613.763.8091 (ESN 393) E-mail: nsh...@nortelnetworks.com mailto:nsh...@nortelnetworks.com or n...@ieee.org mailto:n...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Bandele Adepoju [SMTP:badep...@jetstream.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 3:58 PM To: 'Grant, Tania (Tania)'; 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject:RE: EMC, NEBS NRTL's Then, Tania, I would say that if the price is equipment dependant, don't blame the labs. They are only performing the tests asked of them. Our equipment, by itself is well over $25,000.00 (they cost at least a quarter of a 'mil). I don't think that if we went back 10 years the price we pay now for testing would be much lower, when adding the costs of equipment. Bandele Jetstream Communications, Inc. badep...@jetstream.com -Original Message- From: Grant, Tania (Tania) [mailto:tgr...@lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 12:42 PM To: 'Doug'; ; 'Bandele Adepoju' Subject: RE: EMC, NEBS NRTL's Bandele, Testing to Bellcore requirements can be quite expensive when your are burning a whole cabinet of expensive OEM stuff, especially if you are burning it twice because the first test failed! Thus, the cost is not just what you pay the lab for running the test, but the cost is also equipment going up in smoke. Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com mailto:tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Communications Applications Group -- From: Bandele Adepoju [SMTP:badep...@jetstream.com] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 9:51 PM To: 'Doug'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC, NEBS NRTL's Doug, telling your customers that your product was UL approved when in fact it was approved by a Lab other than UL would have been a hard sell - in any period. I wouldn't have bought that story myself, and your arguing in support of it would have just irritated me much more. You should have told your customers that your product was safety approved to a UL standard. ps, I wonder at what test lab those companies paying over $160,000.00 are doing their testing? Poor souls! Bandele Jetstream Communications, Inc. badep...@jetstream.com -Original Message- From: Doug [mailto:dmck...@gte.net] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:34 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC, NEBS NRTL's I have a little experience with this interpretation by RBOCs having worked with contracts and compliance testing as the compliance guy of a former company. There's certainly people here with more experience and history with this stuff than I. The change began somewhere around 1995-96. I had a small lab in the engineering department where I personally did some of the more simple tests for Bellcore. Specifically the RBOCs I worked with were Ameritech, NYNEX, Southern Bell, Pac Bell ... I had someone on the qualification survey team from these places come in and witness the testing I did. All was fine back then with accepting FCC Class A and UL 1950 for Bellcore requirements. I could estimate UL-1950, FCC Class A, EN60950, EN55022A, EN50082 ... and the agreed upon Bellcore stuff (we negotiated that) all could be done for $25,000 for one product. The Bellcore results I wrote up myself as deliverables for the RBOC. I'll wait until you guys stop laughing. Two problems arose. One was having UL testing performed by an NRTL that was not UL. Thus, with some customers, it was unfathomable that a piece of equipment could be UL approved, NOT have been tested at UL, and NOT have the classic UL label showing compliance. I always ran into this where ever I went. Second, a change occurred whereby some
RE: NRTL(Bell Atlantic) Pre-Approval
Well put. This has been our experience. Regards, Naftali Shani, Nortel Networks, Dept. 0S45, MS 117/C1/M05 21 Richardson Side Road, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 2C1 Voice +1.613.765.2505 (ESN 395) Fax +1.613.763.8091 (ESN 393) E-mail: nsh...@nortelnetworks.com mailto:nsh...@nortelnetworks.com or n...@ieee.org mailto:n...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Ed Nakauchi [SMTP:e...@garwoodtestlabs.com] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 12:42 PM To: emc-pstc Subject:Fw: NRTL(Bell Atlantic) Pre-Approval To All: Posted for Jason Armstrong of Garwood Laboratories, Inc. by Ed Nakauchi e...@garwoodtestlabs.com mailto:e...@garwoodtestlabs.com -Original Message- From: Jason jas...@garwoodtestlabs.com mailto:jas...@garwoodtestlabs.com To: Ed Nakauchi e...@garwoodtestlabs.com mailto:e...@garwoodtestlabs.com Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 9:21 AM Subject: NRTL(Bell Atlantic) Pre-Approval Gentlemen, Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Jason Armstrong. I am the General Manager at Garwood Laboratories, in Placentia Ca. We are an independent test lab that has been gearing up for NEBS testing for the past several months. Between our two facilities we are able to perform the EMC/Surge, safety physical protection all under one company. I have had many conversations with Chuck Graff at Bell Atlantic in regards to the alternate test facilites statement in their latest checklist revision. The word alternate refers more to in-house or the mfg's test facilities and not to an independent test lab. They have that statement in there for equipment that is either too large or not practical to be tested outside of the mfg's plant due to it's deployment configuration. If you read para 3.1.1 of Bells checklist, you'll see that Bell Atlantic does not certify or approve testing facilities. What DLS has obtained is a letter of recognition and not an approval. I know it sounds like a play on words, but Chuck at Bell Atlantic as well as the other RBOC's are very touchy about the wording. This recognition is something that we are currently striving towards as well. I'm not sure how DLS went about obtaining this, but I have been informed by Bell South, Bell Atlantic US West that if we provide a sample of a NEBS test report that meets with their acceptance, and we are accredited by a recognized orginazation, like NAVLAP or A2LA, then we will also be recognized by them to perform the NEBS requirements. I hope this helps. Jason Armstrong General Manager Garwood Laboratories, Inc. jas...@garwoodtestlabs.com mailto:jas...@garwoodtestlabs.com
RE: EMC, NEBS NRTL's
Jeffrey, the requirement that was for NRTL lab ( Bellcore representative) for each section of GR-63 GR-1089, has been dropped. See section 3.1.2 in the BA-NEBS-R10. However, FCC data/frequency range for radiated emissions is insufficient: You should have data based on GR-1089 requirements objectives (10 kHz to 10 GHz). Regards, Naftali Shani, Nortel Networks, Dept. 0S45, MS 117/C1/M05 21 Richardson Side Road, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 2C1 Voice +1.613.765.2505 (ESN 395) Fax +1.613.763.8091 (ESN 393) E-mail: nsh...@nortelnetworks.com mailto:nsh...@nortelnetworks.com or n...@ieee.org mailto:n...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Collins, Jeffrey [SMTP:jcoll...@ciena.com] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 4:57 AM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject:RE: EMC, NEBS NRTL's Group, Can anyone confirm that the RBOC's, particularly Bell Atlantic has agreed to accept EMC FCC data from non NRTL's? If this is true please provide any documentation to support this. (You know a customer is going to want to see it) Thanks in advance, Jeffrey Collins MTS, Principal Compliance Engineer Ciena Core Switching Division jcoll...@ciena.com www.ciena.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: NEBS Question
Peter, Such a typical 7' frame can be found in GR-63-CORE, page 2-8, figure 2-5. Regards, Naftali Shani, Nortel Networks, Dept. 0S45, MS 117/C1/N04 21 Richardson Side Road, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 2C1 Voice +1.613.765.2505 (ESN 395) Fax +1.613.763.3365 (ESN 393) E-mail: nsh...@nortelnetworks.com mailto:nsh...@nortelnetworks.com -Original Message- From: pmerguer...@itl.co.il [SMTP:pmerguer...@itl.co.il] Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 8:31 AM To: emc-pstc Cc: ico...@itl.co.il Subject:NEBS Question Dear Group, Clause 9.10.1.5 of the GR1089 Requirements calls out an open unequal 7-foot framework with minimal enclosure. Does someone have a picture of this type of framework? Maybe a better description? Maybe a link to a site with photos? Thanks, +++ RTTE Directive Seminar Renaissance Hotel, Tel-Aviv 12th January 2000. For details: http://www.itl.co.il/RTTE.htm +++ Peter Merguerian Managing Director Product Testing Division I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. Hacharoshet 26, POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: 972-3-5339022 Fax: 972-3-5339019 e-mail: pmerguer...@itl.co.il website: http://www.itl.co.il - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: 90V 47Hz - Is this a realistic combo
I'll second the experience with 85 Volts design target, which can be very common. The normal business practice for Japan (at least 8+ years ago) was to turn off power to an office complex Friday night, turn it back on Monday morning - this was shown as a huge dip on the distribution network, not to mention the braking effect on the generators (hence the tolerance to 47 Hz). Keep in mind that Japan copied the same intent that the USA had when the electrical supply was introduced: 100 Volts at the customer site. The USA later on compensated for long distribution lines by raising the supply (can reach 127!), which led to 'normal' outlet of 115. Regards, Naftali Shani, Nortel Networks, Dept. 0S45, MS 117/C1/N04 21 Richardson Side Road, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 2C1 Voice +1.613.765.2505 (ESN 395) Fax +1.613.763.3365 (ESN 393) E-mail: nsh...@nortelnetworks.com mailto:nsh...@nortelnetworks.com -Original Message- From: Grant, Tania (Tania) [SMTP:tgr...@lucent.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 4:57 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; 'geor...@lexmark.com' Subject:RE: 90V 47Hz - Is this a realistic combo Ages ago when I worked at another company that shipped products to Japan, their unwritten rule was to design in power supplies that operated without problems at 85 Vac, and that had better be designed/tested down to 80 Vac, because of the continued brown-out conditions in Japan. It seems nothing much has changed. I don't remember what was stated about the frequency tolerance. Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Communications Applications Group -- From: geor...@lexmark.com [SMTP:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 10:34 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: 90V 47Hz - Is this a realistic combo See the website below for global mains voltage/frequencies: http://www.panelcomponents.com/guide.htm The most notable example listed would be Japan, 100V @ 50Hz, or 90V @ 47Hz under usual tolerances of -10% and -3Hz respectively. George Alspaugh Lexmark International Inc. -- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on 11/03/99 01:31 PM --- grassc%louisville.stortek@interlock.lexmark.com on 11/03/99 12:59:30 PM Please respond to grassc%louisville.stortek@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: 90V 47Hz - Is this a realistic combo Hello standards sages.. We have a product that stumbles when the input voltage/freq is 90V/47Hz. My question is.. Is this a reasonable test combo? Does anyone know of a country that falls in this range? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: NEBS Levels..
To prove the point delivered below, see the Bell Atlantic Check List (now at Rev. 9) that specifically states this: 1.1.1.1.NOTE: Bell Atlantic does not use or endorse the various conformance levels as described in Bellcore (BCR) Special Report (SR) 3580. 1.1.1.2.All suppliers are advised that Bell Atlantic recognizes only Level 3. 1.1.1.3.No supplier shall assume or expect conformance based on SR3580 Level 1 or Level 2. Regards, Naftali Shani, Nortel Networks, Dept. 0S45, MS 117/C1/N04 21 Richardson Side Road, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 2C1 Voice +1.613.765.2505 (ESN 395) Fax +1.613.763.3365 (ESN 393) E-mail: nsh...@nortelnetworks.com mailto:nsh...@nortelnetworks.com -Original Message- From: b...@attcanda.net [SMTP:b...@attcanada.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 12:45 AM To: Gary McInturff Cc: 'Grant, Tania (Tania)'; 'emc-p...@ieee.org'; 'Price, Ed' Subject:Re: NEBS Levels.. This question comes up again and again. Not necessarily in this forum, but from Sales Engineers all over the world. Please, Please keep in mind that these levels ARE NOT endorsed by any North American Telcos that I know of (please prove me wrong). Each Telco seems to have their own set of levels which are conveniently labeled one to three. There is no correlation that I know of. SR3580, Level 2, Zone 2 earthquake is not an acceptable level to the west coast. Please keep this in mind and if anyone knows of a North American Telco, whose operations managers will sign up to these levels as defined by SR3580, please let me know. Thanks, Bob Gary McInturff wrote: From NEBS SR3580 Level 1 Minimum acceptable required to preclude hazards and degradation. Possible applications for Level 1 criteria prototype for trial , limited deployment in non-vital services and competitive access provider collocated equipment. Level 2 Minimum level need to provide limited assurance of equipment operability within network. Possible deployement in highly controlled environments such as data centers and widespread or long-term of equipment performing non-critical network service, where loss of equipment operation under environment extremes can be tolerated. Level 3 The minimum level of environmental compatibility needed to provide maximum assurance of equipment operability. The level 3 criteria provide highest assurance of product operability. Possible applications include critical network equipment such as digital switches, transport products and power systems. There is a summary tables and other information that go along with this quick blurb, but indeed, you'll have to purchase that specification. This is just intended to get you started, if you don't already have this information. Gary -Original Message- From: Grant, Tania (Tania) [mailto:tgr...@lucent.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 7:11 PM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'; 'Price, Ed' Subject:RE: NEBS Levels.. George, Bellcore standard: SR-3580, Network Equipment - Building Systems (NEBS) Criteria Levels. I am afraid you will have to buy it. Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Communications Applications Group -- From: Price, Ed [SMTP:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 4:22 PM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: FW: NEBS Levels.. Posted for sparaci...@andovercontrols.com: -Original Message- From: sparaci...@andovercontrols.com [SMTP:sparaci...@andovercontrols.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 1:35 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: NEBS Levels.. Hello Group, I should probally direct this question elsewhere, but does anyone know where I can get an explaination of the criteria for each NEBS level ? Thanks, George
Re: DCC Corporation
Reply to: REDCC Corporation Frank, DCC Corp. is located at 7300 N. Crescent Blvd., Pennsauken, NJ 08110. Their phone # is: +609-662-7272 Their fax # is: +609-662-7862 Naftali Shani Nortel technology Brampton, Ontario -- List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 1997-06-05 7:35 PM To: Naftali Shani From: FRANK_DOMINGUEZ@HP-Greeley-om2 Item Subject: cc:Mail Text We have a HotSpot TC Welder from DCC Corporation. Does anyone have a current phone number for this company? Regards, Frank Dominguez
Re: Routine Hipot testing
Reply to: RERoutine Hipot testing Janos, Try using the BI-NATIONAL (CSA C22.2 No. 950/UL 1950) of July 28, 1995, page 124. Note 1 is below the 2nd paragraph, and is verbatim of IEC 950:1995, Amend. 3, page 207. Naftali Shani Nortel Technology naftali.sh...@nt.com -- List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 5/6/96 2:10 PM To: Naftali Shani From: janos vajda - E X T E R N A L L Y O R I G I N A T E D M E S S A G E - Dear Mr. Varju; Could you please tell me which version of UL1950 did you refer to. In a 1989 edition section 5.3.2 has no Note 1. Section 1.4.2 states that all tests -unless otherwise stated, are type tests. Section 5.3.2 does not state otherwise. Regards: janos vajda Reply-to: Egon H. Varju 73132.2...@compuserve.com Kaz, On 1996.5.5 you wrote: I believe that the harmonized, 3rd edition of UL 1950/ CSA C22.2 N0. 950 has pulled the requirement for 100 % hi-pot testing out of the standard. Not to say that this is no longer a requirement. A comment from a UL rep. was that such factory testing is included in the Certification reports (or Follow Up Service Agreements) as a requirement and so the text has been removed from the bi-national standard. Nevertheless, it must still be performed. Actually, the requirement has not been removed from the bi-national standard. See Sub-Clause 5.3.2, Note 1. :-) Egon Varju -- RFC822 Header Follows -- Received: by nmisq2.miss.nt.com with SMTP;6 May 1996 14:07:19 -0400 Received: from mail.ieee.org (actually rab.ieee.org) by ntigate.rich.nt.com with SMTP (PP); Mon, 6 May 1996 18:06:05 + Received: by mail.ieee.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA06870 for emc-pstc-list; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: 199605061746.naa16...@ds16.modicon.com Comments: Authenticated sender is jvajda@ds16 From: janos vajda jva...@modicon.com Organization: ASA Modicon To: Kazimier Gawrzyjal kazimier_gawrzy...@nmisq2.miss.nt.com, Egon H. Varju 73132.2...@compuserve.com List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:45:58 +0500 Subject: Re: Routine Hipot testing CC: IEEE emc-p...@ieee.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: janos vajda jva...@modicon.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-List-Description: Product Safety Tech. Committee, EMC Society X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org
