Re: [Emc-users] made with EMC (of course) and Synergy CAD/CAM

2008-12-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 18 December 2008, Greg Michalski wrote:
>When I saw the images I had a feeling it was for some style of
>musket-loading pistol - very cool.  Nice work and glad to see Synergy is
>working well for you.  Definitely start a blog of you work.  Replica work
>like this, though not the historically correct method used for the originals
>is very cool and I for one would love to follow your work.
>
>Personally I'd like to get around to making up my own AR-15 receiver with
>some flair (within the legal limits of personal use and not for sale - just
>being clear so as not to get anyone's knickers in knots).  Granted not as
>historical as a musket but firearms are still a passion of mine regardless
>of the genre.
>
>Of course since I finally had a legitimate way to bring up firearms and EMC
>I now have the opportunity to tell Gene that I love the Ed Howdershelt quote
>in the sig line :)  Personally I've only used defenses one and two thus far,
>someday (I'm a young'n in my mid-30s - lots of living left to do - I hope)

Thanks for the flowers, and some of which (living) at 74, I have done. :)

>maybe I'll be called upon for number three

When you are young ane eligible, you just might.  I got a letter for petit 
jury duty a couple of years ago, and was amazed that I was excused because of 
my age after I filled out the form and returned it.  Darnit, I have more 
spare time than some poor schmuck who has to take a week off from work, 
losing several hundred dollars in income he probably sorely needs, and I 
think I can listen to the arguments as well as the next person (if they speak 
up that is, my hearing had been damaged by my hobbies).  And I'm far more 
likely to consider jury nullification if the charges appear to be trumped up 
than some youngster with far less of lifes experience to judge things by.  
But I got the impression from reading between the lines that what they wanted 
were robots the judge could program than real, reasoning jurors.

>but I sincerely pray I never need 
>to use four, especially for defense of freedom.
>
>Greg

FWIW Greg, we have at least 200k men doing that right now, in Iraq and 
Afganistan amoung other places.  But I don't for a minute believe that is 
what that particular quote meant when Ed wrote it.  Much more along the lines 
of a rather famous half quote of Thomas Jefferson:  "The tree of liberty must 
be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time," and 
the rest of that comma terminated quote is "and God help us if we go 20 years 
without it." which does not get the well deserved ink the first half seems to 
get for free.

That to me, is what the 2nd amendment is all about.  The ability of the people 
to defend themselves from a government run amuck, is how I interpret the last 
box's meaning.

Sorry about the rant folks, but no one who attacks the Bill of Rights ever 
gets a 2nd vote from me...

[...]

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Re: [Emc-users] made with EMC (of course) and Synergy CAD/CAM

2008-12-18 Thread Greg Michalski
When I saw the images I had a feeling it was for some style of
musket-loading pistol - very cool.  Nice work and glad to see Synergy is
working well for you.  Definitely start a blog of you work.  Replica work
like this, though not the historically correct method used for the originals
is very cool and I for one would love to follow your work.

Personally I'd like to get around to making up my own AR-15 receiver with
some flair (within the legal limits of personal use and not for sale - just
being clear so as not to get anyone's knickers in knots).  Granted not as
historical as a musket but firearms are still a passion of mine regardless
of the genre.  

Of course since I finally had a legitimate way to bring up firearms and EMC
I now have the opportunity to tell Gene that I love the Ed Howdershelt quote
in the sig line :)  Personally I've only used defenses one and two thus far,
someday (I'm a young'n in my mid-30s - lots of living left to do - I hope)
maybe I'll be called upon for number three but I sincerely pray I never need
to use four, especially for defense of freedom.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Gene Heskett [mailto:gene.hesk...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:31 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] made with EMC (of course) and Synergy CAD/CAM

On Thursday 18 December 2008, Dave Engvall wrote:
>Hi,
>Finally got brave enough to try something with Synergy solids.
>
>The easy stuff was done in 2.5 D but the contour in the pic was done
>with solids.
>
>Used a .500 roughing mill to rough and then a 0.500 ball end to
>finish plus a bit of cleaning
>up with a file and emery cloth. ;-)
>
>http://imagebin.ca/view/EGO40Lt.html
>
>http://imagebin.ca/view/dHfREsy.html
>
That is beautiful Dave.  I need to do something similar with one of mine,
but 
with a very abreviated rear end, just enough to let it be screwed to the 
stock.  Thumbhole stocks don't leave a lot of room to be pretty behind the 
trigger guard as the rear screw flat is actually let into the front face of 
the pistol grip.  I hammered up a couple of pieces of sheet brass, which 
looks redneck primitive.  The other alternative would be to somehow extract 
the molded in guard from that Black Diamonds OEM plastic stock and let it 
into the bottom of that stick of maple its sitting in now.  This hammered 
brass thingy is servicable, but has a quite low torr rating to its suction.

BTW, I cut the group size that Black Diamond is shooting by 90% with one 
change.  From only hitting an 8.5x11 target about half the time at 25 yards,

to a 4", 10 shot group at 50 yards.  I pulled the 209 breechplug and put a 
#11 nipple in.  The #209 is way too much firepower, and is lifting the
bullet 
free of the ramming before the powder gets lit, and that destroys the 
accuracy.  The #11 percussion cap is not as strong and is more accurate 
because of that.  Now if I could do that to my thumbhole stocked TC Omega.
I 
made the breech with the #11 nipple ok, but its firing pin is so well 
centered it goes .065" deep into the middle of the nipple without firing the

cap.  Bummer.  I need a missdrilled nipple I guess.

Now back to our regularly scheduled topic, emc.  Which, BTW, I used to make 
that breechplug for the T. C. Omega.

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Re: [Emc-users] made with EMC (of course) and Synergy CAD/CAM

2008-12-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 18 December 2008, Dave Engvall wrote:
>Hi,
>Finally got brave enough to try something with Synergy solids.
>
>The easy stuff was done in 2.5 D but the contour in the pic was done
>with solids.
>
>Used a .500 roughing mill to rough and then a 0.500 ball end to
>finish plus a bit of cleaning
>up with a file and emery cloth. ;-)
>
>http://imagebin.ca/view/EGO40Lt.html
>
>http://imagebin.ca/view/dHfREsy.html
>
That is beautiful Dave.  I need to do something similar with one of mine, but 
with a very abreviated rear end, just enough to let it be screwed to the 
stock.  Thumbhole stocks don't leave a lot of room to be pretty behind the 
trigger guard as the rear screw flat is actually let into the front face of 
the pistol grip.  I hammered up a couple of pieces of sheet brass, which 
looks redneck primitive.  The other alternative would be to somehow extract 
the molded in guard from that Black Diamonds OEM plastic stock and let it 
into the bottom of that stick of maple its sitting in now.  This hammered 
brass thingy is servicable, but has a quite low torr rating to its suction.

BTW, I cut the group size that Black Diamond is shooting by 90% with one 
change.  From only hitting an 8.5x11 target about half the time at 25 yards, 
to a 4", 10 shot group at 50 yards.  I pulled the 209 breechplug and put a 
#11 nipple in.  The #209 is way too much firepower, and is lifting the bullet 
free of the ramming before the powder gets lit, and that destroys the 
accuracy.  The #11 percussion cap is not as strong and is more accurate 
because of that.  Now if I could do that to my thumbhole stocked TC Omega.  I 
made the breech with the #11 nipple ok, but its firing pin is so well 
centered it goes .065" deep into the middle of the nipple without firing the 
cap.  Bummer.  I need a missdrilled nipple I guess.

Now back to our regularly scheduled topic, emc.  Which, BTW, I used to make 
that breechplug for the T. C. Omega.

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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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-- Christopher Morley

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Re: [Emc-users] made with EMC (of course) and Synergy CAD/CAM

2008-12-18 Thread Dave Engvall

On Dec 18, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:

> On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 13:32 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote:
>
>> Could I get you to post a tool path picture?
>> ( for ex.
>> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Synergy/Screenshot-3b.png
>>  )
>> ---
>> Kirk
>> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
>
> Oops, your screen shot shows the projection plane (red) that I was
> curious about. Never mind. Thanks.
>
> Kirk

The red line is the boundary.
I'm posting a side view of the tool paths rather than isometric as I  
think it illustrated the tool paths better.
green = .500" SE rougher at 0.1" offset in z
red = 0.500" ball end mill at 0.0 offset in z

1770 guns hardly count as an instrument of destruction; more like  
meat, shoes, and protection.
Those were not nice times to live in.

This will end up on a short barreled muzzleloader more like the  
jaeger the german immigrants brought
with them but without the european style stock which is/was much less  
graceful than those of the
American made guns.

I have thoughts about getting a blog going and if so the instructions  
for getting the correct contour will be there.

Dave

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Re: [Emc-users] made with EMC (of course) and Synergy CAD/CAM

2008-12-18 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 13:32 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote:

> Could I get you to post a tool path picture?
> ( for ex.
> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Synergy/Screenshot-3b.png
>  )
> ---
> Kirk
> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/

Oops, your screen shot shows the projection plane (red) that I was
curious about. Never mind. Thanks.

Kirk


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Re: [Emc-users] made with EMC (of course) and Synergy CAD/CAM

2008-12-18 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 13:05 -0800, Dave Engvall wrote:
> Hi,
> Finally got brave enough to try something with Synergy solids.
> 
> The easy stuff was done in 2.5 D but the contour in the pic was done  
> with solids.
> 
> Used a .500 roughing mill to rough and then a 0.500 ball end to  
> finish plus a bit of cleaning
> up with a file and emery cloth. ;-)
> 
> http://imagebin.ca/view/EGO40Lt.html
> 
> http://imagebin.ca/view/dHfREsy.html
> 
> Dave

Even though the part is for an instrument of destruction, that is an
impressive creation. Bravo.

Could I get you to post a tool path picture?
( for ex.
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Synergy/Screenshot-3b.png
 )
---
Kirk
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/



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[Emc-users] made with EMC (of course) and Synergy CAD/CAM

2008-12-18 Thread Dave Engvall
Hi,
Finally got brave enough to try something with Synergy solids.

The easy stuff was done in 2.5 D but the contour in the pic was done  
with solids.

Used a .500 roughing mill to rough and then a 0.500 ball end to  
finish plus a bit of cleaning
up with a file and emery cloth. ;-)

http://imagebin.ca/view/EGO40Lt.html

http://imagebin.ca/view/dHfREsy.html

Dave


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Re: [Emc-users] Robot Kinematics

2008-12-18 Thread Organic Engines

Hi,

> Then that is exactly what your kinematics code will need to do -
> subtract the movement of q2 from q3, q4, and q5 (possibly multiplied by
> some scale factor if the mechanism isn't 1:1).

  I think they are 1 to 1 in degrees. I understand why they built it 
this way. Simple and cheap, and all the motors are in the base rather 
than out in the arm. I think the original training mode was point to 
point. Move all the joints individually to here, memorize this position, 
move all the joints individually to there, etc.

> It requires programming, but not terribly complex programming.  There
> isn't any existing kinematics module that does this, but if I were you I
> would start with a renamed copy of the puma kins, study it till I
> understand it, then add whatever extra math is needed.

Then I guess I will embark on my first C programming project ever over 
the Xmas break!

  Thanks John and Jan.

  Dan

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Re: [Emc-users] Robot Kinematics

2008-12-18 Thread John Kasunich
Organic Engines wrote:
> Hi Jan,
> 
> (from the image at http://imagebin.org/33869)
> 
>   When you move the motor for joint q2
> 
>   Joints q3, q4 and q5 will also move
> 
>   When you move joint q3, joints q4 and q5 will also move.
> 
>   When you move joint q4 joint q5 will move.
> 
>   When you move q5, q4 will also move.
> 
>   Because they are all chain driven (q4 & q5 miter gear) on shafts 
> coaxial with the joints.
> 
>   So for each axis movement, all the following axes need to be moved in 
> the opposite direction to just stay in the same place.
> 

Then that is exactly what your kinematics code will need to do -
subtract the movement of q2 from q3, q4, and q5 (possibly multiplied by
some scale factor if the mechanism isn't 1:1).

It requires programming, but not terribly complex programming.  There
isn't any existing kinematics module that does this, but if I were you I
would start with a renamed copy of the puma kins, study it till I
understand it, then add whatever extra math is needed.

Regards,

John Kasunich

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Re: [Emc-users] Robot Kinematics

2008-12-18 Thread Organic Engines
Hi Jan,

(from the image at http://imagebin.org/33869)

  When you move the motor for joint q2

  Joints q3, q4 and q5 will also move

  When you move joint q3, joints q4 and q5 will also move.

  When you move joint q4 joint q5 will move.

  When you move q5, q4 will also move.

  Because they are all chain driven (q4 & q5 miter gear) on shafts 
coaxial with the joints.

  So for each axis movement, all the following axes need to be moved in 
the opposite direction to just stay in the same place.

  The Puma is not like this, as far as I can tell. Each axis on a Puma 
is  mechanically independent of the others.

  I read the pumakins.h and there are defs for the joint lengths but not 
for the mechanical interlink that the teachmover style robot suffers 
from. I need to study the pumakins.c some more.

  Am I missing something?

  Dan



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Re: [Emc-users] Am I overloading the servo loop with my spindle encoder?

2008-12-18 Thread Tom
Kirk Wallace  writes:

... I learned this from
> trial and error rather than informed design, which is not the best way
> to do things connected with high voltages, currents, mass, dollars, etc.
> 

Chuckle. OK Kirk. I will exercise due caution. Yes, the vfd is switching up to
350Vdc/25 amps in the 8kHz region, very serious stuff...
btw I keep several fire extinguishers in prominent view near the exits. 

regards,
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Re: [Emc-users] Gcode Newbie Question - repetitive part

2008-12-18 Thread Kenneth Lerman
Thanks,

That's fixed.

Ken

BRIAN GLACKIN wrote:
>>  
>>
> 
> For the wiki does he need a
> 
> 
> 
> Code.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> in the edit?  I noticed when I added them, the code looked better than
> without those.  The page with all the Oword examples uses those commands to
> surround the code.
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Gcode Newbie Question - repetitive part

2008-12-18 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
>
>  
>

For the wiki does he need a



Code.




in the edit?  I noticed when I added them, the code looked better than
without those.  The page with all the Oword examples uses those commands to
surround the code.

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Re: [Emc-users] Gcode Newbie Question - repetitive part

2008-12-18 Thread Jeff Epler
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 09:18:51AM -0500, Kenneth Lerman wrote:
> See: 
> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Example_G-Code_Programs#Convert_Line_Line_to_Line_Arc_Line_Use_to_Cut_a_Ratchet

Yuck, it looks like the wiki has tried to turn some of the variable
names into wiki-linksk, adding spurious "?" marks.  You may need to
upload that as an attachment by using the "upload" link at the top of
the page, then linking to the newly-created file.

Jeff

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Re: [Emc-users] Gcode Newbie Question - repetitive part

2008-12-18 Thread Kenneth Lerman
See: 
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Example_G-Code_Programs#Convert_Line_Line_to_Line_Arc_Line_Use_to_Cut_a_Ratchet

I'm sure it is far from optimal. I just hope that it is readable.

Ken

Ed Nisley wrote:
>> Once upon a time, I wrote some gcode subroutines
> 
> Sure: I'm always interested to find out what I could do 
> better!
> 
> Or at least differently, as I seem to have a lot of code 
> sitting around that makes me wonder what I was thinking at 
> the time. Maybe nothing, aye, there's the rub.
> 
> Thanks...
> 

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Re: [Emc-users] My campus server don't support the Linux system logging Internet , and I need to revise the kinematics module's inverse tranformation

2008-12-18 Thread Jeff Epler
Yes and no.  We provide a simple way to download a source tarball:

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Other_ways_of_getting_the_source_code
but preparing a system to compile emc2 for the first time is a much more
involved process if you can't use apt-get.

Everything you need can be downloaded simply over http on port 80 of
various webservers.  However, we rely on automatic tools (apt-get) that
assume an internet connection is available to determine the exact list
of packages to download, and the exact download URLs for their newest
versions.  We do not provide a listing of these packages or download
URLs, because it would quickly become out of date.

For Ubuntu Hardy, all the required packages are either under
http://www.linuxcnc.org/hardy/
or
http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/

After generating debian/control with
debian/configure -r
read debian/control.in.  For each package name listed in Build-Depends,
get the latest version of that package.  Install all those packages with
dpkg.  now, for each package that is required by those packages, dpkg
will print an error.  Get all those packages and repeat until there are
no further errors.

Jeff

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[Emc-users] My campus server don't support the Linux system logging Internet , and I need to revise the kinematics module's inverse tranformation

2008-12-18 Thread ygdan1001
 Dear Sir
   My campus server don't support the Linux system logging Internet , and I 
need to revise the kinematics module's inverse tranformation, you know it's 
necessary to log in the web to configure the relative document, like installing 
CVS program. So, I want to know, whether I could download the relative document 
to the flash disk, and then upload it to my Linux opertaion system to finish 
the configuration process. If I can't do it through this, would you please give 
me some other suggestions?
   Your support will be highly appreciated!
Regards

   Yang
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Am I overloading the servo loop with my spindle encoder?

2008-12-18 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 06:26 +, Tom wrote:
> Kirk Wallace  writes:
> 
> > 
> > If you are using a VFD on your spindle (or coolant pump), having one a
> > filter on the power input solved my noise problems.
> > 
> > http://www.eastek-intl.com/images/PreoSeriesEB.pdf
> > http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/00024-1a.jpg
> > 
> > If not, using a filter or ferite beads for other power lines might help.
>  
>  --
> 
> I checked your photo link. That was helpful. I think I will get a few EMI
> filters for the Opto boards and signal power supplies. 
> 
> Thanks Kirk!
> Tom

Please don't spend your money just because of my comment, just keep it
in mind if problems come about. Because VFD's use higher frequency
switching, at decent currents, they can create noise on the mains input
or other places, but before you spend money, get a second opinion from
others on this list, who may have better advise.

Another experience I learned from was, with the original motor lead
filters on my Hardinge lathe, when I added the VFD, the filters
overheated, melted and smoked. Apparently, they tried to do their job of
filtering out high frequencies, which VFD's normally put out allot of.
The ferrite beads didn't seem have that problem. But I learned this from
trial and error rather than informed design, which is not the best way
to do things connected with high voltages, currents, mass, dollars, etc.

-
Kirk
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/


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