Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW! (oneFinalPoint_not)

[Roger Holmquist]

Hello again folks!

Have been busy digging into SIMOREG power/rergulator-units between  
other things as part of my work this summer so the controller-project  
has been on hold.
Still the issue pops up in my mind now and then as soon as my  
controllers denies to serve and occasionally they do...

Thing  is that my boss believes that Mach3 rules in this part of the  
world so the  debate might continue
(and he also want a working Swedish example so he can have a look...)

Pse also have a look at this simple excel-table and comment, I'm  
certain some issues are forgotten and not at all elaborated:

/Roger

http://abcnc.se/docs/LinuxCNC_vs_Mach3.xls



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Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[andy pugh]

On 5 August 2012 05:40, Roland Jollivet  wrote:

> I'm amazed at the speed of the turbocharger. Maybe a misprint?

No, 248,000 rpm sounds reasonable. We have to keep ours below 210,000
rpm, but it's a bigger turbo on a bigger engine.

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

[Viesturs Lācis]

Ron, I simply could not resist to reply to some of Your thoughts.

2012/8/5 Ron Ginger :
>
> Mach is approaching 50,000 units sold.

Over how long period of time? Most probably - years, since it has been
released. LinuxCNC also has been downloaded for thousands of times
over last years.

And selling Mach licence to OEM does not mean anything to me - in less
than a year since I am working with cnc machines, I already have
retrofitted 2 machines with Mach for 2 different clients (and one more
retrofit for yet another customer is in negotiation) to LinuxCNC,
because they are having reliability and stability issues with Mach.
All of those customers are manufacturing companies (one of them with
annual turnover over 40M EUR, do not know about the rest), so machines
are far from "hobby use".

> They have work to do and dont sit around and post
> on mail lists or chat rooms.

So do You admit the lack of customer support and lots of issues to be solved?
It seems that You confirm my observation that all they care is
attracting new clients instead of working with their existing
customers, thus increasing customer loyalty and generating revenues
from repeated sales.

> And these numbers are based on dollars
> spent, not surverys of mail lists.

Ok, dollars spent is an absolute number that can be measured and
compared, thus normally it is valid way to measure market share.
Except one small and insignificant detail - LinuxCNC is available for
free, so based on Your logic, LinuxCNC has 0% market share :))
So You have to do something else - surveys on mailing list or
whatever, to assess actual situation.

>> They have been working on Mach4 for a very long time (4 years??) and now
>> they are clearly in a game of catchup.
>
> Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this
> year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the
> first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the
> Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready.

Hmm, yes, Andy asked very good question - what happened in those 3
years in-between?
Obviously they were not focused on support of existing customers in
forums, emails or chat or fixing whatever bugs there are in the app.

> All work is being done with cross platform tools, and OEM versions will
> be offered on linux and Mac. That was also shown at the workshop. Next
> chance to see it will be IMTS in September.

Wonderful news for LinuxCNC community - having Mach on Linux will
attract more CAD and CAM applications - my experience shows that it is
one of the main points mentioned, when asked, why would they choose/
not choose LinuxCNC. Of course, there are solutions available, but
people are not aware of them.
This step will also tell potential audience that not only windows, but
also Linux can be used for CNC applications. And now guess, what will
be in the first lines, when somebody will search the web for keywords
"linux" and "cnc"?

> That can only be labeled bullshit. There are many hardware vendors, all
> doing quite well selling their products with Mach. Some are selling more
> in a month that messa is selling in a year. Again, they are out there
> doing business, not chatting on mail lists.

The fact that vendor is providing some hardware for Mach and opinion
of particular vendor about the application might have very little
correlation. It does not necessarily mean that they are happy with it.
Has anyone ever asked them, what do they actually feel about Mach? I
am sure that they would appreciate availability of source code to
better understand, how that app works and so that they can better
design their hardware and prepare better drivers/firmware.

Actually that large number of vendors means that there are lots of
unsatisfied needs for the customers that these vendors are trying to
satisfy. IMHO this fact tells that Mach itself has lots of issues and
hardware vendors are trying to solve/workaround them in their
hardware/firmware.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[Peter Blodow]

k...@gmail.com schrieb:
> / snip
>
> BTW I would never own a modern VW diesel...what an over priced engineering
> nightmare.
>
> dk
>
>   
My wife and own two identical modern VW diesel cars, Tourans 1.9 liter, 
115 horsepower, seven seated, and drive them with about 6 liters fuel 
for 100 km (about 33 miles/gallon) in normal use, i.e, not over 140 
km/h. They will go about 200 km/h at the cost of a little more fuel 
consumption. Both of them have some 120 000 km on the counter after 
almost 6 years now. I have filled in exactly 4 liters of motor oil in 
total since we own them. No defects, no replacements, not even headlight 
bulbs. We had them at the shop each twice so far since the cars demand 
when service is due, depending on severeness of use, number of cold 
starts etc. No rust, no visible erosions. We just sit, start, drive. 
Absolutley no thought of the cars entities. I didn't even bother to look 
what's below the big air filter box in the motor compartment, and, 
frankly, I don't care. We never ever had such problemless cars before, 
not even the Nissans, although they were pretty carefree.

I bought them for about 16 000 Euros each at the age of one year. I 
wouldn't know a better car and a better price.

Peter Blodow

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Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 August 2012 11:24:42 Peter Blodow did opine:

> k...@gmail.com schrieb:
> > / snip
> > 
> > BTW I would never own a modern VW diesel...what an over priced
> > engineering nightmare.
> > 
> > dk
> 
> My wife and own two identical modern VW diesel cars, Tourans 1.9 liter,
> 115 horsepower, seven seated, and drive them with about 6 liters fuel
> for 100 km (about 33 miles/gallon) in normal use, i.e, not over 140
> km/h. They will go about 200 km/h at the cost of a little more fuel
> consumption. Both of them have some 120 000 km on the counter after
> almost 6 years now. I have filled in exactly 4 liters of motor oil in
> total since we own them. No defects, no replacements, not even headlight
> bulbs. We had them at the shop each twice so far since the cars demand
> when service is due, depending on severeness of use, number of cold
> starts etc. No rust, no visible erosions. We just sit, start, drive.
> Absolutley no thought of the cars entities. I didn't even bother to look
> what's below the big air filter box in the motor compartment, and,
> frankly, I don't care. We never ever had such problemless cars before,
> not even the Nissans, although they were pretty carefree.
> 
> I bought them for about 16 000 Euros each at the age of one year. I
> wouldn't know a better car and a better price.
> 
> Peter Blodow

I have had the opposite experience Peter. In 2007 I bought a 5 yo gas jetta 
that cost the dealer, who gave me a 90 day warranty, somewhere around $3500 
USD because everything that moved, promptly broke, including the sun roof 
which fell out of the hole in the roof. Front door window motors at 
$400/copy, 2 sets of headlight assemblies because the ones in it were 
already crazed and yellowed so bad you had to turn them on, and get out 
with a flashlight to see if they were lit. 2 sets later I finally had 
headlights that worked because the internal wiring of the first 2 sets 
burned up.  The car could not tolerate an unlocked door and locked us out 
of it with the keys usually dropped in the wifes purse many times. When it 
did it with the keys in the switch, and I had to pry a door open far enough 
to be able to hit the button on the armrest for the 4th time I said thats 
it.  I wrote a check for 17k USD for that car, and got $3500 USD in trade-
in value against a 2007 RAV4 20 months later.  Smartest move I ever made as 
I figured it was worth even less if I had executed it like a horse with a 
broken leg which I was sorely tempted to do.  I will give it credit, the 
engine, a 2.4L 4, ran very strong & well once you got past all the damned 
paranoid computer problems designed to keep it from collecting mileage.

This Toy?  Stick the key in the switch and drive it to NY & back with only 
3 fuel stops in 900 miles round trip, getting about 7 mpg better than that 
Jetta ever dreamed of.  It never got more than 21 mpg.

That is why, despite all the hurrah about Toys and stuck gas pedals, Toy 
continues to sell well.  They Just Work(TM).  If I live long enough, I'll 
probably buy another when this one is worn out, but at 40k miles, it seems 
to be ready to go another 200k with some fresh rubber as needed.  That will 
no doubt outlast me since I'll be 78 in a couple months.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] file sharing

[Ralph Stirling]

How about using Thing-a-verse?  It's primary intent may be 3d printing, but
it seems g-code for making things should count.

-- Ralph

From: jeremy youngs [jcyoung...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 7:04 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] file sharing

back to this op Collectively what do we think of a g code or cad dump?
I searched for 45 min the other day just to find a suitable nema 34
face to use for cad/ cam to build a mount for a stepper it seems a
dump would help this just asking for random comments

On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Mark Wendt  wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM, andy pugh  wrote:
> 
>
>>> making engines work ?
>>
>> My day-job is programming diesel-engine control modules for a motor
>> manufacturer with a blue, oval, badge.
>
> Ford?
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW! (oneFinalPoint_not)

[jeremy youngs]

roger please give a heads up when attaching automatically downloading
files as i dont really like them thanx

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Roger Holmquist  wrote:
> Hello again folks!
>
> Have been busy digging into SIMOREG power/rergulator-units between
> other things as part of my work this summer so the controller-project
> has been on hold.
> Still the issue pops up in my mind now and then as soon as my
> controllers denies to serve and occasionally they do...
>
> Thing  is that my boss believes that Mach3 rules in this part of the
> world so the  debate might continue
> (and he also want a working Swedish example so he can have a look...)
>
> Pse also have a look at this simple excel-table and comment, I'm
> certain some issues are forgotten and not at all elaborated:
>
> /Roger
>
> http://abcnc.se/docs/LinuxCNC_vs_Mach3.xls
>
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] file sharing

[Kent A. Reed]

On 8/5/2012 12:36 PM, Ralph Stirling wrote:
> How about using Thing-a-verse?  It's primary intent may be 3d printing, but
> it seems g-code for making things should count.
>
> -- Ralph
> 
> From: jeremy youngs [jcyoung...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 7:04 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] file sharing
>
> back to this op Collectively what do we think of a g code or cad dump?
> I searched for 45 min the other day just to find a suitable nema 34
> face to use for cad/ cam to build a mount for a stepper it seems a
> dump would help this just asking for random comments
>
> --
> jeremy youngs
>
>
I like the Thing-a-verse solution a lot, Ralph.

1) Thing-a-verse has a growing audience of people who want to make 
things so it's a natural place to look.

2) Thing-a-verse has stored lots of different kinds of digital models 
and plans already so I believe most users accept it as much more than 
just a repository of 3d Yodas. There's some serious engineering 
artifacts there.

3) It relieves my concern about us setting up a file-sharing service 
that could go the way of anonymous ftp repositories that were abused by 
people with less than pure motives.

To make life easier for LinuxCNC users, one could always start a Wiki 
page of links to useful models just as we have a page of links to useful 
CAM software.

Regards,
Kent


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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

[jeremy youngs]

sharing this post with my eleven year old son and he finds it amusing
too, I was however thinking although i have other things to do does
ron have a mach mailing list to overlook or are they too busy to
respond? :) and since when do you come in to another mans house and
tell him what to do or how it is ? I he can declare b.s then Ill call
it just disrespectful
"viva la lcnc"


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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

[Dave]

Ron,

Email below received from Brian on 8/14/2009 - V4 development had been 
going on for sometime by that date..

 >>
8/14/2009 on the Mach3 Yahoo Group email list...

Terry didn't tell you that we where able to speed up the Probing :)
There are many things that we will see befitting from this that you
would NEVER think would have any effect.. The fact is that Art and I
both knew that there was a major amount of time dedicated to the OpenGL
and now we can tell OpenGL to bugger off if it thinks it is going to
take to much time away from Mach3. I have some OEM work that I need to
get done and as soon as that is finished I am going to make an other big
push on V4 now that I have the darn Toolpath worked out.. and I will
also start to get the Lathe screen changed over to the new way of doing
it..

Feeling good that we got a chance to report something good and that we
are getting there!

Thanks
Brian
<<

>>Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this
year,

Now that..  is bullshit and you know it...   Sure, I know Mach4 development has 
been restarted a couple of times,
but don't tell me that the current rev is a complete rewrite since Jan..


 >>They have work to do and dont sit around and post

on mail lists or chat rooms. And these numbers are based on dollars
spent, not surverys of mail lists.<<

I've been working 60+ hours per week on 3 different contracts..  yet we both 
had time to
write some commentary.


>>It is intended the first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September.

Good..  I am looking forward to it.  But, as you know, Mach3 V4 has missed more 
than a couple of ship dates, (Don't prompt me to retrieve further emails)
so if Sept. comes and goes and it doesn't ship, no one will go into shock... ;-)

>>That can only be labeled bullshit. There are many hardware vendors, all
doing quite well selling their products with Mach. Some are selling more
in a month that messa is selling in a year. Again, they are out there
doing business, not chatting on mail lists.
<<

No, that is an opinion.  And you missed my point.  Brian and crew have spent a 
lot of time
trying to be everything to everyone and I'm not so sure that is possible in the 
current
environment.  By being everything to everyone, Brian dilutes his resources to 
the point where nothing gets done/finished.
(My proof - 4 years working on Mach3 V4)
He would be better off doing a Mach3 V4 LPT port version with Arts driver and 
an Ethernet Smoothstepper version so something
works really well out of the box and then start supporting everyone else.   
Maybe that is really the plan anyway.. I'm not in a position to know.

>>Some are selling more in a month that messa is selling in a year.

I seriously doubt that.  But what does that matter?


>>I hope this 'mine is bigger than yours' drivel has been amusing to you all.

Proof again that you missed my points.  Oh well.

Hang in there Ron, I know it has been a rough ride, but I sincerely hope that 
Mach3 V4 materializes as there are places were I may be able to use it.
It has been frustrating as a user to watch Mach3 stagnate and wither.  I am 
sure as an involved developer, the frustration has been even greater.

Dave













On 8/4/2012 7:11 PM, Ron Ginger wrote:
> On 8/4/2012 12:39 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
>
>> Dave
>>
>> Mach3 has some huge issues to overcome - if it is even possible.   The
>> software is stagnant and has been for years.
>> Typical situation:  A user upgrades to the newest version of Mach3 and
>> has a problem, states the problem on the email list and gets no
>> response.  Problems are not fixed and the users appear to be apathetic
>> about supplying
>> assistance since there is oftentimes no fix available anyway.
>>  
> Dave, you just wont let it go will you. Mach is approaching 50,000 units
> sold. It is not slowing, rather accelerating. More than 3/4 are OEM
> sales, not hobby guys. They have work to do and dont sit around and post
> on mail lists or chat rooms. And these numbers are based on dollars
> spent, not surverys of mail lists.
>
>
>> They have been working on Mach4 for a very long time (4 years??) and now
>> they are clearly in a game of catchup.
>>  
> Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this
> year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the
> first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the
> Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready.
>
> All work is being done with cross platform tools, and OEM versions will
> be offered on linux and Mac. That was also shown at the workshop. Next
> chance to see it will be IMTS in September.
>
>
>> The Mach guys would have been better off picking one hardware board set
>> and developing their Mach4 software with that board set in mind.  That
>> would have alienated many of the existing hardware vendors but right now
>> they have nothing new and pr

Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[Peter Blodow]

Gene Heskett schrieb:
> I have had the opposite experience Peter. In 2007 I bought a 5 yo gas jetta 
> that cost the dealer, who gave me a 90 day warranty, somewhere around $3500 
> USD because everything that moved, promptly broke, including the sun roof 
> which fell out of the hole in the roof. Front door window motors at 
> $400/copy, 2 sets of headlight assemblies because the ones in it were 
> already crazed and yellowed so bad you had to turn them on, and get out 
> with a flashlight to see if they were lit. 2 sets later I finally had 
> headlights that worked because the internal wiring of the first 2 sets 
> burned up.  The car could not tolerate an unlocked door and locked us out 
> of it with the keys usually dropped in the wifes purse many times. When it 
> did it with the keys in the switch, and I had to pry a door open far enough 
> to be able to hit the button on the armrest for the 4th time I said thats 
> it.  I wrote a check for 17k USD for that car, and got $3500 USD in trade-
> in value against a 2007 RAV4 20 months later.  Smartest move I ever made as 
> I figured it was worth even less if I had executed it like a horse with a 
> broken leg which I was sorely tempted to do.  I will give it credit, the 
> engine, a 2.4L 4, ran very strong & well once you got past all the damned 
> paranoid computer problems designed to keep it from collecting mileage.
>
> This Toy?  Stick the key in the switch and drive it to NY & back with only 
> 3 fuel stops in 900 miles round trip, getting about 7 mpg better than that 
> Jetta ever dreamed of.  It never got more than 21 mpg.
>
>   
With one of our Tourans (don't know if they sell them in the US and 
under which name, actually it's only a taller version of the VW Golf, 
sold as Rabbit in the US) I go 850 km (470 miles) easily on a tank full 
of diesel, so I would have needed one stop only for fueling on the NY 
trip. I was fond of japanese cars, too, and we had 7 Nissans within 20 
years in our family and made almost a million km with them. My elder 
daughter is still driving my wife's former car at a mileage of 320 000 
km without any visible signs of ageing on the outside. Very good cars. 
But no comparison with our present VW Tourans! By the way: In my former 
company I bought a dozen of them for common use before I retired and 
they have just the same experience with them, as I hear.
Maybe you wonder why we Europeans are so peculiar about fuel 
consumption: a liter of Diesel fuel costs about 1,46 Euros in Germany 
right now, which is a little more than $ 7 per gallon. It still is the 
cheapest fuel, though, so Diesel cars are booming.

Best greetings

Peter Blodow

Peter


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[Emc-users] Spindle drive in EMC2?

[a]

Hi
I ask similar question before and now more narrow one

In EMC2 -from the disc-- already program for 3 axis --X Y Z.
Need plug in drive.
Need plug in AC servomotor.
Need tune the AC servomotor and machine ready to work.

That is how i build my machine.
Because new release of EMC2 --
Question:
Is there are similar part in EMC2---to X Y Z axis --for the spindle 
motor?
What i am asking is that is there part in EMC2 where i can plug in 
amplifier for spindle motor, spindle motor and after tune-up the spindle 
motor?
The same way as plug in amplifier and motor to each of axis X Y Z.
Many spindle motor have gear box, so need a part that will send signal 
to solenoid that will change gear.

Thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] Spindle drive in EMC2?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 August 2012 18:27:24 a...@conceptmachinery.com did opine:

> Hi
> I ask similar question before and now more narrow one
> 
> In EMC2 -from the disc-- already program for 3 axis --X Y Z.
> Need plug in drive.
> Need plug in AC servomotor.
> Need tune the AC servomotor and machine ready to work.
> 
> That is how i build my machine.
> Because new release of EMC2 --
> Question:
> Is there are similar part in EMC2---to X Y Z axis --for the spindle
> motor?
> What i am asking is that is there part in EMC2 where i can plug in
> amplifier for spindle motor, spindle motor and after tune-up the spindle
> motor?
> The same way as plug in amplifier and motor to each of axis X Y Z.
> Many spindle motor have gear box, so need a part that will send signal
> to solenoid that will change gear.
> 
> Thanks
> aram
> 
There are quite a few ways to skin that cat Aram.

My mill is a toy, an HF micro mill, with (originally) a two speed knob that 
ran the gear shift, which could I imagine be converted to a solenoid 
control, but never have.  It was also equipt with a 200 watt DC motor with 
a speed control pot.  However, all that was contained in a drawer in the 
side of the gearcase, so any attempt to lube the nylon gears resulted in 
flying grease being deposited on the electronics.

So when I put the spindle under linuxcnc control, I left the shattered fuse 
holder and reversing switch behind and mounted that controller card in a 
large radio shack project box, bought a PMDX-106 card to translate the pwm 
signal from linuxcnc into an equivalent analog signal that could be used to 
replace the original speed pot. The PMDX-106 opto isolates that because the 
controlling pot on all of these things I have run into so far, is at the 
hot side of the AC power.  All in the same project box powered by a 1 amp 
wall wart.

I purchased the extra manual speed control version and am glad I did as 
that allows me to control it manually too, for both directions, either from 
linuxcnc using m3 for CW and M4 for CCW rotation of the spindle. M5 of 
course stops it.  Or I can do it by hand from the controlling switch and 
pot on the edge of the PMDX-106.

The OEM VS card in the micro mill is very high gain, holding the set speed 
within 1 or 2% until it blows the fuse.  Since I don't have feedback in the 
mills spindle from an encoder, nor do I use the PID module, there is not a 
way to tell emc the motor is about to stall or blow a fuse.  So on the 
mill, I have a small bridge in series with the motor, and its output drives 
a 0-15 volt meter but without the voltage multiplier resistor, so it 
effectively is a 0-1.5 amp meter.  As the speed isn't much of an indicator 
of loading, I watch the meter and shoot for about .75 amps when doing what 
that little mill calls a roughing cut.  I did 2 or 3 other tricks with the 
relays for direction (with which I control some DPTD icecubes to do the 
real work), like a 20 ohm 20 watt resistor is dropped across the motor when 
its turned off, so spindle stop time from full speed in perhaps a long 
second.  With the M5, G4p2, m4 in my gcode, so I can stop and reverse it 
from the gcode, but have never needed to do so.  If I ever fit an encoder, 
I could do rigid tapping or thread cutting.

The PMDX-106 is pretty decent, seems to have a very linear speed response 
in close enough to real time for anything I have wanted to do.  Compared to 
other such cards I have tried, it is hands down the winner.  Yes its more 
than the 'other' controller, but many times more capable IMO.  No 
surprises, it Just Works(TM).  I think in the future, my lathe, which does 
have an encoder with feedback on it, will work noticeably better when I 
install one of them.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 August 2012 19:14:34 Peter Blodow did opine:

> Gene Heskett schrieb:
> > I have had the opposite experience Peter. In 2007 I bought a 5 yo gas
> > jetta that cost the dealer, who gave me a 90 day warranty, somewhere
> > around $3500 USD because everything that moved, promptly broke,
> > including the sun roof which fell out of the hole in the roof. Front
> > door window motors at $400/copy, 2 sets of headlight assemblies
> > because the ones in it were already crazed and yellowed so bad you
> > had to turn them on, and get out with a flashlight to see if they
> > were lit. 2 sets later I finally had headlights that worked because
> > the internal wiring of the first 2 sets burned up.  The car could not
> > tolerate an unlocked door and locked us out of it with the keys
> > usually dropped in the wifes purse many times. When it did it with
> > the keys in the switch, and I had to pry a door open far enough to be
> > able to hit the button on the armrest for the 4th time I said thats
> > it.  I wrote a check for 17k USD for that car, and got $3500 USD in
> > trade- in value against a 2007 RAV4 20 months later.  Smartest move I
> > ever made as I figured it was worth even less if I had executed it
> > like a horse with a broken leg which I was sorely tempted to do.  I
> > will give it credit, the engine, a 2.4L 4, ran very strong & well
> > once you got past all the damned paranoid computer problems designed
> > to keep it from collecting mileage.
> > 
> > This Toy?  Stick the key in the switch and drive it to NY & back with
> > only 3 fuel stops in 900 miles round trip, getting about 7 mpg better
> > than that Jetta ever dreamed of.  It never got more than 21 mpg.
> 
> With one of our Tourans (don't know if they sell them in the US and
> under which name, actually it's only a taller version of the VW Golf,
> sold as Rabbit in the US) I go 850 km (470 miles) easily on a tank full
> of diesel, so I would have needed one stop only for fueling on the NY
> trip. I was fond of japanese cars, too, and we had 7 Nissans within 20
> years in our family and made almost a million km with them. My elder
> daughter is still driving my wife's former car at a mileage of 320 000
> km without any visible signs of ageing on the outside. Very good cars.
> But no comparison with our present VW Tourans! By the way: In my former
> company I bought a dozen of them for common use before I retired and
> they have just the same experience with them, as I hear.
> Maybe you wonder why we Europeans are so peculiar about fuel
> consumption: a liter of Diesel fuel costs about 1,46 Euros in Germany
> right now, which is a little more than $ 7 per gallon. It still is the
> cheapest fuel, though, so Diesel cars are booming.
> 
> Best greetings
> 
> Peter Blodow
> 
> Peter
 
The price of #1 is rising here, currently at about a 7% premium over 87 
octane regular at the pump.  If I ever buy a newer car again, I've 
considered looking for an oil burner.  I rather like the idea of going up 
to half a million miles without laying a wrench on a head or pan bolt.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[jeremy youngs]

as an auto tech for most of my life I have to say I am a huge fan of
electronic fuel injection. As for my rigs i drive a 91 toy p/u with
400k and the wife drives a 92 camry e 275 on it and our suburban is
going to be converted to a 6.2 diesel. I drive these old jap rigs
because they are fuel efficient (24-30 mpg ea) and require so little
maintenance its simply rediculous. The suburban was will be converted
to a mechanical injection so as to be able to run multiple fuels. It
would be great if manufacturers could develop efi diesels that were
multifuel compatible sadly that would be a tremendous engineering and
im sure andy would agree fuel mapping feat. So as for me I will  be
keeping m
y eyes open for an older mercedes to run on veggie oil jus
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[Emc-users] geographic map

[jeremy youngs]

yesterday i checked the map as it became broken when we were hacked
sometime before i joined. Im still kinda looking for someone in the
upstate new york area to meet with to bounce ideas. also whats this
imts?  and where is it? I als havent been able to get on  irc for
abotu six months it says it times out any thoughts? I hope one day to
cure my ignorance by recieving answered questions or finding the
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Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[Steve Blackmore]

On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:48:09 +0200, you wrote:

>k...@gmail.com schrieb:
>> / snip
>>
>> BTW I would never own a modern VW diesel...what an over priced engineering
>> nightmare.
>>
>> dk
>>
>>   
>My wife and own two identical modern VW diesel cars, Tourans 1.9 liter, 
>115 horsepower, seven seated, and drive them with about 6 liters fuel 
>for 100 km (about 33 miles/gallon) in normal use,

Yea - at twice the CO2 emissions of my 1996 2.8 turbo!!

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

[Steve Blackmore]

On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:11:42 -0400, you wrote:

>Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this 
>year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the 
>first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the 
>Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready.

Hope your going to fix the bugs John Stevenson has been telling you
about for the last few years...

>That can only be labeled bullshit. There are many hardware vendors, all 
>doing quite well selling their products with Mach. Some are selling more 
>in a month that messa is selling in a year. Again, they are out there 
>doing business, not chatting on mail lists.

Of course they are, they are selling to the multitude of CNC beginners
who know no better, then ignoring bug reports.  

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

[jeremy youngs]

13 posts without a response from ron in my nearly 1yr involvement here
i dont think ive had a question that wasnt responded to in 5 post or
less. I think you fellas here care about more than a dollar and the
prompt service i dont pay for im very happy to get
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Re: [Emc-users] geographic map

[andy pugh]

On 6 August 2012 01:27, jeremy youngs  wrote:

>  I als havent been able to get on  irc for
> abotu six months it says it times out any thoughts?

Are you using the Java client on the website, or a dedicated IRC Chat
program? (such as Pidgin or Xchat which you can download from the
Ubuntu software centre)

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Re: [Emc-users] geographic map

[mark center]

http://www.imts.com/

I went to the one in 2002. It happens on even years at McCormick Plaza
in Chicago.
 2,000,000 squ. ft of mostly machine tools.
 I spent two full days and still didn't see everything.
 It is *the* Gran-daddy convention for machinists.
Odd years are WesTec in Los Angeles.

Mark

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:27 PM, jeremy youngs  wrote:
> yesterday i checked the map as it became broken when we were hacked
> sometime before i joined. Im still kinda looking for someone in the
> upstate new york area to meet with to bounce ideas. also whats this
> imts?  and where is it? I als havent been able to get on  irc for
> abotu six months it says it times out any thoughts? I hope one day to
> cure my ignorance by recieving answered questions or finding the
> answers myself and maybe provide some one day :) thanx
>
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Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[andy pugh]

On 6 August 2012 01:21, jeremy youngs  wrote:

> It
> would be great if manufacturers could develop efi diesels that were
> multifuel compatible sadly that would be a tremendous engineering and
> im sure andy would agree fuel mapping feat.

You can buy variants of the gasoline engines that automatically
compensate for E85 (85% ethanol) though I am not sure how it is done.
No sign of that for Diesel yet though it ought to be possible with
in-cylinder pressure transducers.

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Re: [Emc-users] geographic map

[jeremy youngs]

my bad once again ive asked for help without giving all info, the
embedded client is what i am using. my humble apologies

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:59 PM, andy pugh  wrote:
> On 6 August 2012 01:27, jeremy youngs  wrote:
>
>>  I als havent been able to get on  irc for
>> abotu six months it says it times out any thoughts?
>
> Are you using the Java client on the website, or a dedicated IRC Chat
> program? (such as Pidgin or Xchat which you can download from the
> Ubuntu software centre)
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Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[jeremy youngs]

andy it was my impression from field engineers and warranty
replacement that the issue is fuel lubricity in the diesels, While i
am astounded by the output of modern oil burners they tend to like
parts when not fed a diet of perfect fuel in my exp. as to the e85
they have a sensor in the canister vent and siff the o2 to calculate
fuel blend and adjust fuel mapping accordingly. This seems to me that
it would require much better fpgas than those on non flex vehicles,
but today i think fpga capacity is probly not the issue it was 4 yrs
ago when i was deep into keeping them going

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 9:03 PM, andy pugh  wrote:
> On 6 August 2012 01:21, jeremy youngs  wrote:
>
>> It
>> would be great if manufacturers could develop efi diesels that were
>> multifuel compatible sadly that would be a tremendous engineering and
>> im sure andy would agree fuel mapping feat.
>
> You can buy variants of the gasoline engines that automatically
> compensate for E85 (85% ethanol) though I am not sure how it is done.
> No sign of that for Diesel yet though it ought to be possible with
> in-cylinder pressure transducers.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

[Eric Keller]

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Steve Blackmore  wrote:

> Of course they are, they are selling to the multitude of CNC beginners
> who know no better, then ignoring bug reports.

I usually don't say this, but to some degree them breaking in
beginners keeps the noise down over here.  Lots of people are happy
with the software the way it is.  I think it's great that Mach exists,
and I would prefer that we didn't into platform wars.
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Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[ceenbot]

Hi Andy,

What types of diesel injectors are you working with?  Direct injection?  I'm a 
fan diesel direct injection.  There are potential uses for piezoelectric 
injectors other than just pushing oil.  I am looking for a similar injector to 
deposit solder paste onto circuit boards.  

Mydata has a MY500 solder paste printer but it about $200k USD more than I want 
to spend in the next year or so on a printer.  It looks to be a nice machine.  
I may see if I can get a replacement head for a MY500 if I can.

At the 37 second mark they show a cutaway of the Mydata My500 solder paste 
print head:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC41j-LJZm4

My thought was to get a fairly low volume diesel direct injector (i.e. 1L to 2L 
4-cyl diesel car) and grind away the lower section of the nozzle which has the 
6 or 8 pinholes to allow solder paste to exit a bit more freely.  I don't want 
a spray pattern but just a micro dot deposited below the injector.  I think the 
velocity and volume can be altered a bit by changing the wave shape applied to 
the injector.  I also don't need 30k PSI as this may make the paste do weird 
things like go through the PC board.  From what I've read the piezo stack takes 
about 100V to fire but piezo ceramics are static in nature so applying a DC 
potential of 100V will hold the stack at its extended position and shorting it 
to ground will constrict the stack.

In the US Ford etc. diesel trucks are plentiful but I don't feel like spending 
$600 on a truck sized injector + a core charge.  So, if anyone has a new/used 
injector lying around they don't have plans for I may be interested in 
experimenting with one.  It should be a direct injector but please correct me 
if a mechanical injector would work as well.  Some tuning shops match injector 
flow rates but I'm not sure what happens to the ones with plugged pinholes or 
with flow rates just lower than needed.  For an experiment it would not matter 
to me.  You may say I'm all wet thinking about direct injection for a solder 
paste printer and that would be ok.


Thanks,
Dennis


>  ---Original Message---
>  From: andy pugh 
>  To: dengv...@charter.net, Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> 
>  Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels
>  Sent: Aug 04 '12 12:24
>  
>  The same things have made Diesels a lot faster. 100hp / litre is
>  pretty common in production engines. I remember when that was a race
>  motorcycle tune.
>  The engine I am working on is the low-power version of the 2.0 at
>  180hp and 420Nm (320 ft.lb)
>  
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Re: [Emc-users] OT - Ford diesels

[Przemek Klosowski]

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 9:03 PM, andy pugh  wrote:
> On 6 August 2012 01:21, jeremy youngs  wrote:

>> would be great if manufacturers could develop efi diesels that were
>> multifuel compatible sadly that would be a tremendous engineering and
>> im sure andy would agree fuel mapping feat.
>
> You can buy variants of the gasoline engines that automatically
> compensate for E85 (85% ethanol) though I am not sure how it is done.
> No sign of that for Diesel yet though it ought to be possible with
> in-cylinder pressure transducers.

How does it work? Would it measure the burn cycle pressure and adjust
the injected fuel volume for appropriate pressure peak?

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[Emc-users] OT - Diesels

[Greg Bentzinger]

I would love a VW Polo Blue Motion TDI - but VW keeps sayin maybe next year.

They are sticking to the bigger cars, and those are selling/doing fine.

If they wanted to butt heads with Toyota or the Honda CRZ hybred all they 
need to do is fit electric motors on the rear alxe and use re-generative 
braking for much of the charging, The Electric motors could boost 
acceleration for passing or getting on the interstate. (Highway)

The "slow poke" performance reputation of the smaller engined Polo's 
doesn't bother me.  I have a 40mile each way commute - but its at off 
hours so I never have traffic to contend with. I'll pull over and let 
someone pass even in my Mustang GT when I don't feel like racing towards the E 
line.

I would be in heaven with the Jag sedan with the 3L twin turbo diesel. See 
the TopGear mileage shootout episodes. But reality says that such a car 
would be a waist living down a stretch of dirt road. :(


On the other hand - I'm searching for a Nissan UD or Isuzu NPR to buy to fetch 
LinuxCNC conversion candidates. 
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[Emc-users] MSL Landing: Success!

[roger]

Just wanted to congratulate my American fellows for a safe landing on Mars.
Yes, Mars Science Laboratory aka Curiosity are there with all it's six
wheels firmly and neatly placed in the Martian sand!

A great day for all of us Space-enthusiasts!


Pics from the rover here:

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/raw

(Well, testpics really, all systems Go! )


/Roger




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