Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-16 Thread Dave Caroline
 Question is will it ever happen?
Instead of whining why not add the facilities you want, it is open source

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Re: [Emc-users] seiberco stepper drive

2012-08-16 Thread andy pugh
On 16 August 2012 03:35, Terry Christophersen tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote:
 They are model  AIMAX 260-70-X.

Google is coming up very blank on that. Can you tell if they are
step/dir drives, or if they use a proprietary protocol?

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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-16 Thread andy pugh
On 16 August 2012 03:42, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 Do you delete word processor files from the file open menu
 of the word processor?  Do you delete spreadsheets from the
 file open menu of the spreadsheet program?  NO.

Yes, actually.
Windows allows this, and it is sometimes quite useful. You can also
make a copy of a file before opening it, or move it to a new location.
Apple don't allow this, as far as I can tell.
I am not sure if the normal file-open dialog in Ubuntu allows this,
but the one that Axis uses is very minimalist.

I do think that there is an argument for using a different file
selector in Axis, perhaps one that allows navigation to network
drives, for example.

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[Emc-users] File deletion from the GUI [Was: Final user of EMC2.]

2012-08-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 16.08.12 04:15, Chris Morley wrote:
 While I don't agree so much with having delete available in the load program
 dialog, I see nothing wrong with a delete file option in the GUI.
 
 If I had a production machine that showed the cnc screen full screen, I think
 I would find it annoying to minimize the screen and use the file manager.
 
 In fact I could understand cases where I would not want the operator to use
 anything but the cnc screen.

Chris, that last sentence sums it all up, I think. I'm just not sure
that an operator who can't be trusted with anything but the cnc screen
should be deleting gcode files. But if the operation provided is to move
a file, e.g. from a production directory to an inactive or
not_in_production directory, then allowing a tidy-up within LinuxCNC
seems a good thing in a production environment. (Just so long as he can
move them back as well. :-)

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[Emc-users] Registering with forum

2012-08-16 Thread Senthil Seveelavanan
I have changed s.seveelava...@gmail.com to s.seveelava...@gmaildot.com, so
if this was switched I would be grateful.

Cheers guys and thanks for all the hard work!

Looking forward to getting my hands dirty

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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Mark Wendt
Find yourself a Tektronix TM502 and pop an SC504 scope into it.

Mark

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Peter Loron pet...@standingwave.org wrote:
 The Nano is a decent little scope. Very handy and can be easily dropped in 
 your gear bag or used on your bench as an extra scope to supplement your 
 bench unit.

 Far better than no scope, although I would recommend having something bigger 
 if possible. I've also got one of the DS1052E scopes and it is pretty good 
 for the money. It's also quite portable, compared to my old boatanchor scopes.

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Re: [Emc-users] Problem registering in Forum

2012-08-16 Thread Dave Caroline
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote:
 What's wrong with gmail acounts, anyway? Is this some sort of

Nothing wrong with gmail accounts

 discrimination?

Yes, that part of gmail users that use it for throw away spam accounts

This needs a better regexp to fix and human intervention
The current situation is bad for our image, too many complaints in irc
and on the mailinglist imo


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Re: [Emc-users] Problem registering in Forum

2012-08-16 Thread andy pugh
On 16 August 2012 12:10, Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com wrote:

 This needs a better regexp to fix and human intervention
 The current situation is bad for our image, too many complaints in irc
 and on the mailinglist imo

I thought I had managed to put a warning about the gmail block
somewhere, but I can't see it now.
It is entirely likely that I don't have edit-rights to the page in question.

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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 16 August 2012 06:44:58 Mark Wendt did opine:

 Find yourself a Tektronix TM502 and pop an SC504 scope into it.
 
 Mark

I saw one of those at the NAB show a decade or so back.  Tek left one thing 
out, a howling big cooling fan, it ran very uncomfortably hot to the touch.

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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Mark Wendt
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
 On Thursday 16 August 2012 06:44:58 Mark Wendt did opine:

 Find yourself a Tektronix TM502 and pop an SC504 scope into it.

 Mark

 I saw one of those at the NAB show a decade or so back.  Tek left one thing
 out, a howling big cooling fan, it ran very uncomfortably hot to the touch.

 Cheers, Gene

The TM500 series do get warm, but I haven't noticed my TM504 get
uncomfortably hot to the touch fully loaded.  The TM5000 series did
add a fan to the case, though the 5000 series plugins are a lot more
complex.  They come with a GPIB plug on each plugin and a GPIB plug on
the back of the mainframe.

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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 16 August 2012 07:30:40 Mark Wendt did opine:

 On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  On Thursday 16 August 2012 06:44:58 Mark Wendt did opine:
  Find yourself a Tektronix TM502 and pop an SC504 scope into it.
  
  Mark
  
  I saw one of those at the NAB show a decade or so back.  Tek left one
  thing out, a howling big cooling fan, it ran very uncomfortably hot
  to the touch.
  
  Cheers, Gene
 
 The TM500 series do get warm, but I haven't noticed my TM504 get
 uncomfortably hot to the touch fully loaded.  The TM5000 series did
 add a fan to the case, though the 5000 series plugins are a lot more
 complex.  They come with a GPIB plug on each plugin and a GPIB plug on
 the back of the mainframe.
 
 Mark
 
GPIB might have come in handy, but did you ever read the specs? That is a 
very power hungry interface.  Adding that to every module in the frame 
could easily add 200+ watts of heat to get rid of.  There is a reason GPIB 
didn't take over the factory floor bus, same one that eventually killed the 
use of terminating resistor banks on scsi buses in favor of active terms.  
Power budgets. 

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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-16 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Chris Morley
chrisinnana...@hotmail.comwrote:


 In fact I could understand cases where I would not want the operator to use
 anything but the cnc screen.


 Chris M

 In my world there would almost never be a time when I would want an
operator to access anything but the cnc screen.

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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Mark Wendt
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 The TM500 series do get warm, but I haven't noticed my TM504 get
 uncomfortably hot to the touch fully loaded.  The TM5000 series did
 add a fan to the case, though the 5000 series plugins are a lot more
 complex.  They come with a GPIB plug on each plugin and a GPIB plug on
 the back of the mainframe.

 Mark

 GPIB might have come in handy, but did you ever read the specs? That is a
 very power hungry interface.  Adding that to every module in the frame
 could easily add 200+ watts of heat to get rid of.  There is a reason GPIB
 didn't take over the factory floor bus, same one that eventually killed the
 use of terminating resistor banks on scsi buses in favor of active terms.
 Power budgets.

 Cheers, Gene

I've never used the GPIB interface myself, but I could see a number of
uses for it.  You can get relatively inexpensive USB-GPIB and
Ethernet-GPIB converters online.

There are also open source utilities for Unix/Linux that support GPIB:

http://gpib-utils.sourceforge.net/

The heat factor is probably why they added the fan to the TM5000
series.  Since the TM500 series didn't support the GPIB interface, it
probably was deemed not necessary.

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Problem registering in Forum

2012-08-16 Thread John Thornton
I've tried as well but that file is locked and you have to have access
to the back end to edit it.

On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 12:27 +0200, andy pugh wrote:
 On 16 August 2012 12:10, Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  This needs a better regexp to fix and human intervention
  The current situation is bad for our image, too many complaints in irc
  and on the mailinglist imo
 
 I thought I had managed to put a warning about the gmail block
 somewhere, but I can't see it now.
 It is entirely likely that I don't have edit-rights to the page in question.
 



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[Emc-users] Test Message

2012-08-16 Thread John Thornton
I think tbird was messing with my from address and that stopped any 
replies to the list from me for some time it seems, if this works I've 
fixed it and please ignore.

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Re: [Emc-users] File deletion from the GUI [Was: Final user of EMC2.]

2012-08-16 Thread Stuart Stevenson
I live in a gcode/part model world called Boeing DPD (Digital Product
Definition). This establishes RULES for data management. One of the RULES
is the operator can only access the directory with proven/inspection
accepted gcode and cannot write to that directory. Most of our customers
have similar requirements - the qualification for Boeing DPD prepares you
for everyone else's RULES.


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Erik Christiansen
dva...@internode.on.netwrote:

 On 16.08.12 04:15, Chris Morley wrote:
  While I don't agree so much with having delete available in the load
 program
  dialog, I see nothing wrong with a delete file option in the GUI.
 
  If I had a production machine that showed the cnc screen full screen, I
 think
  I would find it annoying to minimize the screen and use the file manager.
 
  In fact I could understand cases where I would not want the operator to
 use
  anything but the cnc screen.

 Chris, that last sentence sums it all up, I think. I'm just not sure
 that an operator who can't be trusted with anything but the cnc screen
 should be deleting gcode files. But if the operation provided is to move
 a file, e.g. from a production directory to an inactive or
 not_in_production directory, then allowing a tidy-up within LinuxCNC
 seems a good thing in a production environment. (Just so long as he can
 move them back as well. :-)

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Re: [Emc-users] File deletion from the GUI [Was: Final user of EMC2.]

2012-08-16 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 07:19:59 -0500
Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote:

 One of the
 RULES is the operator can only access the directory with
 proven/inspection accepted gcode and cannot write to that directory.

How do you accommodate this with Linuxcnc controlled machines? There's
no write enable keyswitch, unless you've implemented one. Just
curious...

Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins

2012-08-16 Thread Belli Button
Hello,

I have a router with dual Y axis motors.  Running 2.5.1, LPT port, Intel 
525, 10.04.  When jogging in joint mode [AXIS] the axis move in the correct 
manner, acc, vel, etc as set in AXIS[].  After homing and entering world 
mode the jogging is slaved but is follows a different set of rules [TRAJ]. 
However I get a joint following error on all the axes unless I set the 
figure very high (100mm).  I can jog but it overshoots the position by as 
much as 30-40mm and then comes back to settle in the correct place just like 
a poorly tuned servo loop..  Changing step_gen_acc has no effect as this 
only applies to joint mode, playing with max_acc, max_vel. etc in TRAJ seems 
to have no effect either.  You can clearly hear the effects by listening to 
the noises of the motor on acc and dec.

Any idea's?

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Re: [Emc-users] File deletion from the GUI [Was: Final user of EMC2.]

2012-08-16 Thread Stuart Stevenson
right now the proper directory is network shared and the only directory
where available programs reside - we teach the operator to access the
proper directory

Linux permissions help but are not the complete answer

as with any system the approved paradigm can be thwarted by an industrious
individual :)


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote:

 On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 07:19:59 -0500
 Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote:

  One of the
  RULES is the operator can only access the directory with
  proven/inspection accepted gcode and cannot write to that directory.

 How do you accommodate this with Linuxcnc controlled machines? There's
 no write enable keyswitch, unless you've implemented one. Just
 curious...

 Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins

2012-08-16 Thread andy pugh
On 16 August 2012 15:45, Belli Button be...@iafrica.com wrote:

  After homing and entering world
 mode the jogging is slaved but is follows a different set of rules [TRAJ].
 However I get a joint following error on all the axes unless I set the
 figure very high (100mm).  I can jog but it overshoots the position by as
 much as 30-40mm and then comes back to settle in the correct place just like
 a poorly tuned servo loop..  Changing step_gen_acc has no effect as this
 only applies to joint mode, playing with max_acc, max_vel. etc in TRAJ seems
 to have no effect either.

The parameter you need to adjust in [TRAJ] is:
[TRAJ] DEFAULT_ACCELERATION
That should control the acceleration in World Mode.

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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-16 Thread Dave
On 8/15/2012 10:35 PM, Chris Radek wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 09:42:18PM -0400, John Kasunich wrote:

 Do you delete word processor files from the file open menu
 of the word processor?  Do you delete spreadsheets from the
 file open menu of the spreadsheet program?  NO.
  
 In ms office in windows, you can in fact rename/move/delete
 files in the file OPEN dialog box.  It is an abomination.


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In ms office in windows, you can in fact rename/move/delete
files in the file OPEN dialog box.  It is an abomination.


Yes, that is correct.

I was going to say the same thing.

When you show people you can do that oftentimes their jaw drops open..   
:-)

But really not much different than hitting the start button in Windows 
XP to shutdown the PC.

Yet another well thought out software feature  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins

2012-08-16 Thread Belli Button
Hi Andy,

Do you mean as per below?  I've tried values from very small to very large 
with no effect.  Does this variable have to loaded into the .hal anywhere? 
Do you think there is a hard coded limit in the SW?

Greg
[TRAJ]

AXES = 4

COORDINATES = X Y Z A

CYCLE_TIME = 0.010

LINEAR_UNITS = mm

DEFAULT_VELOCITY = 50.00

DEFAULT_ACCELERATION = 800.00

MAX_VELOCITY = 200.00

MAX_ACCELERATION = 800.00

ANGULAR_UNITS = degree

DEFAULT_ANGULAR_VELOCITY = 800.00

DEFAULT_ANGULAR_ACCELERATION = 800.00

MAX_ANGULAR_VELOCITY = 800.00

MAX_ANGULAR_ACCELERATION = 800.00



#X AXIS (Cross)

[AXIS_0]

TYPE = LINEAR

HOME = 0.0

MAX_VELOCITY = 150.0

MAX_ACCELERATION = 400.0

STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 450.0

SCALE = -200.0

FERROR = 100

MIN_FERROR = 100

MIN_LIMIT = -0.001

MAX_LIMIT = 1260.0

HOME_OFFSET = -5.00

HOME_SEARCH_VEL = -10.00

HOME_LATCH_VEL = -2.50

HOME_SEQUENCE = 1

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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins


 On 16 August 2012 15:45, Belli Button be...@iafrica.com wrote:

  After homing and entering world
 mode the jogging is slaved but is follows a different set of rules 
 [TRAJ].
 However I get a joint following error on all the axes unless I set the
 figure very high (100mm).  I can jog but it overshoots the position by as
 much as 30-40mm and then comes back to settle in the correct place just 
 like
 a poorly tuned servo loop..  Changing step_gen_acc has no effect as this
 only applies to joint mode, playing with max_acc, max_vel. etc in TRAJ 
 seems
 to have no effect either.

 The parameter you need to adjust in [TRAJ] is:
 [TRAJ] DEFAULT_ACCELERATION
 That should control the acceleration in World Mode.

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Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins

2012-08-16 Thread andy pugh
On 16 August 2012 16:42, Belli Button be...@iafrica.com wrote:

 Do you mean as per below?

 [TRAJ]
...
 DEFAULT_ACCELERATION = 800.00
...
 MAX_ACCELERATION = 800.00

Yes.
Odd, that worked during some recent tests I did.
The stepgen_maxaccel does need to be higher (by about 25%) than the
DEFAULT_ACCEL though.

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Re: [Emc-users] File deletion from the GUI [Was: Final user of EMC2.]

2012-08-16 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:51:36 -0500
Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote:

 as with any system the approved paradigm can be thwarted by an
 industrious individual :)

I asked because about a year ago I helped a company with a Linuxcnc
controlled machine that had a similar policy. We ended up with the same
conclusion: A determined individual with physical access to the machine
could probably circumvent the restrictions we put in place, but we did
the best we could (similar to your solution).

Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-16 Thread Eric Keller
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote:


 In ms office in windows, you can in fact rename/move/delete
 files in the file OPEN dialog box.  It is an abomination.

 In fact, this is the standard operating system behavior, not just ms
office.  I am not sure you can override this behavior in the file open
dialog box, although there are many obscure options.  I had a bug in one of
my windows programs that I didn't feel like fixing.  It would fail somehow
if I chose to over-write an existing file.  So if I wanted to over-write, I
would delete the old file from the open file dialog.  It's also nice when
cleaning up the cruft in a directory when you don't have to open the file
manager to delete a few files.  I generally prefer to have the freedom to
use my computer the way I want, and I find the linux desktop managers to be
a little clunky because they limit what you can do.

 I can see that a programmer should be able to override this behavior in
the case of a CNC file where an operator shouldn't be able to mess up a
directory.
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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Ray Mitchell
GPIB also had a ridiculously short cable length (and expensive to boot).


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On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:49 AM, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
 
  The TM500 series do get warm, but I haven't noticed my TM504 get
  uncomfortably hot to the touch fully loaded.  The TM5000 series did
  add a fan to the case, though the 5000 series plugins are a lot more
  complex.  They come with a GPIB plug on each plugin and a GPIB plug on
  the back of the mainframe.
 
  Mark
 
  GPIB might have come in handy, but did you ever read the specs? That is a
  very power hungry interface.  Adding that to every module in the frame
  could easily add 200+ watts of heat to get rid of.  There is a reason
 GPIB
  didn't take over the factory floor bus, same one that eventually killed
 the
  use of terminating resistor banks on scsi buses in favor of active terms.
  Power budgets.
 
  Cheers, Gene

 I've never used the GPIB interface myself, but I could see a number of
 uses for it.  You can get relatively inexpensive USB-GPIB and
 Ethernet-GPIB converters online.

 There are also open source utilities for Unix/Linux that support GPIB:

 http://gpib-utils.sourceforge.net/

 The heat factor is probably why they added the fan to the TM5000
 series.  Since the TM500 series didn't support the GPIB interface, it
 probably was deemed not necessary.

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Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins

2012-08-16 Thread Andrew
2012/8/16 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com

 On 16 August 2012 16:42, Belli Button be...@iafrica.com wrote:

  Do you mean as per below?

  [TRAJ]
 ...
  DEFAULT_ACCELERATION = 800.00
 ...
  MAX_ACCELERATION = 800.00

 Yes.
 Odd, that worked during some recent tests I did.
 The stepgen_maxaccel does need to be higher (by about 25%) than the
 DEFAULT_ACCEL though.


What's the difference between DEFAULT_ACCELERATION and MAX_ACCELERATION?

Also, can you explain me The acceleration and deceleration phase each use
half the ini file MAX_ACCELERATION. In a blend that is an exact reversal,
this causes the total axis acceleration to equal the ini file
MAX_ACCELERATION (User concepts). How is it possible that an axis
decelerates and accelerates simultaneously?

If I don't have MAX_ACCELERATION in my ini's, is it taken from axis
settings?

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Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins

2012-08-16 Thread John Kasunich


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Andrew wrote:
 2012/8/16 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com
 

 Also, can you explain me The acceleration and deceleration phase each
 use
 half the ini file MAX_ACCELERATION. In a blend that is an exact reversal,
 this causes the total axis acceleration to equal the ini file
 MAX_ACCELERATION (User concepts). How is it possible that an axis
 decelerates and accelerates simultaneously?

Each move consists of an acceleration period, a cruise period, and a
deceleration period.  In exact stop mode, one move completes all three
periods, then the next move starts.

When blending, the accel portion of a new move is overlapped with the
decel portion of the previous move.  If both moves are in the same
direction, then the accel and decel cancel, and the actual speed 
remains constant - perfect blending.

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Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins

2012-08-16 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
negative acceleration is deceleration (well, depending on direction and
reference frame.)  ANY change in speed is acceleration.

How is it possible that an axis
 decelerates and accelerates simultaneously?

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Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins

2012-08-16 Thread andy pugh
On 16 August 2012 17:35, Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com wrote:

 What's the difference between DEFAULT_ACCELERATION and MAX_ACCELERATION?

I think one predated the other, and currently both are accepted by
some interfaces and not others.
I think that DEFAULT... is the more generally applicable.

 Also, can you explain me The acceleration and deceleration phase each use
 half the ini file MAX_ACCELERATION. In a blend that is an exact reversal,
 this causes the total axis acceleration to equal the ini file
 MAX_ACCELERATION

No, I can't explain that, as it makes no sense at all to me.

 If I don't have MAX_ACCELERATION in my ini's, is it taken from axis
 settings?

Only in Joint mode or trivial kinematics.

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Re: [Emc-users] seiberco stepper drive

2012-08-16 Thread Terry Christophersen
I cant tell but some past(2004)discussions on motion.com leads me to
think it is a smartdrive with some terminal type communication 
 
Ive got the guy talked into Geckos anyway
 
Thanks anyway
 
Terry


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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] seiberco stepper drive

On 16 August 2012 03:35, Terry Christophersen tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote:
 They are model  AIMAX 260-70-X.

Google is coming up very blank on that. Can you tell if they are
step/dir drives, or if they use a proprietary protocol?

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Re: [Emc-users] Esc key

2012-08-16 Thread Brian May
No, I actually use the flood for coolant and the mist for an air blast I
use on plastic parts  I think then an M9 would stop the motor also -
which might get confusing for an operator



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 08:24:32PM -0600, Brian May wrote:
  I use the esc key alot to stop programs  or turn off the spindle -
 almost like a reset key.  Is there a pin where i can bring this into
 classic ladder?  I have a live tooling motor that i turn on with a custom
 m-code (m103).  I would like it to turn off when i press the esc key.  I
 currently use another m-code to turn it off.  Which i want to keep - but
 would also like the esc to work.
 

 Do you have either the mist or flood outputs free?  You could use
 those mcodes to run it, and then Esc would turn it off.




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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Jason Burton
On Aug 14, 2012 10:16 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 On Tuesday 14 August 2012 23:09:35 Jason Burton did opine:

  On Aug 14, 2012 9:08 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
   On Tuesday 14 August 2012 10:00:30 Mark Wendt did opine:
Ebay auction #160861790127
   
Mark
  
   A bit rich ($330) for my budget.  I bought one of the DSO NANO's.  For
 
  what
 
   I want to use it for its adequate.  Unplug the usb charging cable and
   its fully isolated.
  
   Cheers, Gene
   --
   There are four boxes...
 
  How do you like the DSO Nano? I've been eyeing them for a while.
 
 About the only thing I haven't mastered is getting the sweep trigger set
so
 I can see the actual trigger.  Other than that, and a miss-match between
 the probe and its frequency comp that distorts a square wave somewhat, it
 Just Works(TM).

 I didn't expect it to match my Hitachi V-1065, but at 5% of the cost ...

 Cheers, Gene
 --


I have a 100 mhz HP scope for the bench, but it takes a bit to warm up (if
you follow the manual's guideline). That and no one-shot event capture have
me looking for another scope.

Doing some very short transient pulse measurements. Good news is they are
audio frequency range so no great strain on most worth-anything scopes.

Looking for a good bang for the buck rig with either digital capture that
can be downloaded for analysis, or even old school one-shot hold memory
(and i'll take a photo of the screen).

I left off looking at the Tek 2200 series with memory added when the Nanos
came around.

Think it might be a good fit?

Jason
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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Kenneth Lerman
On 8/16/2012 2:00 PM, Jason Burton wrote:
 On Aug 14, 2012 10:16 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
 On Tuesday 14 August 2012 23:09:35 Jason Burton did opine:

 On Aug 14, 2012 9:08 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
 On Tuesday 14 August 2012 10:00:30 Mark Wendt did opine:
 Ebay auction #160861790127

 Mark
 A bit rich ($330) for my budget.  I bought one of the DSO NANO's.  For
 what

 I want to use it for its adequate.  Unplug the usb charging cable and
 its fully isolated.

 Cheers, Gene
 --
 There are four boxes...
 How do you like the DSO Nano? I've been eyeing them for a while.

 About the only thing I haven't mastered is getting the sweep trigger set
 so
 I can see the actual trigger.  Other than that, and a miss-match between
 the probe and its frequency comp that distorts a square wave somewhat, it
 Just Works(TM).

 I didn't expect it to match my Hitachi V-1065, but at 5% of the cost ...

 Cheers, Gene
 --

 I have a 100 mhz HP scope for the bench, but it takes a bit to warm up (if
 you follow the manual's guideline). That and no one-shot event capture have
 me looking for another scope.

 Doing some very short transient pulse measurements. Good news is they are
 audio frequency range so no great strain on most worth-anything scopes.

 Looking for a good bang for the buck rig with either digital capture that
 can be downloaded for analysis, or even old school one-shot hold memory
 (and i'll take a photo of the screen).

 I left off looking at the Tek 2200 series with memory added when the Nanos
 came around.

 Think it might be a good fit?

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See: http://www.saelig.com/PSBE100/PSPC017.htm for what appears to be a 
pretty good deal. $399 includes shipping.

Ken


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Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins

2012-08-16 Thread Belli Button
Another thing I noticed is that the Velocity display on the Axis screen is 
correct.  It shows zero velocity after the motor stops (or perhaps where it 
should have stopped) and stays zero while the motor reverses to the correct 
position.

Greg
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Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins




 On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Andrew wrote:
 2012/8/16 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com


 Also, can you explain me The acceleration and deceleration phase each
 use
 half the ini file MAX_ACCELERATION. In a blend that is an exact reversal,
 this causes the total axis acceleration to equal the ini file
 MAX_ACCELERATION (User concepts). How is it possible that an axis
 decelerates and accelerates simultaneously?

 Each move consists of an acceleration period, a cruise period, and a
 deceleration period.  In exact stop mode, one move completes all three
 periods, then the next move starts.

 When blending, the accel portion of a new move is overlapped with the
 decel portion of the previous move.  If both moves are in the same
 direction, then the accel and decel cancel, and the actual speed
 remains constant - perfect blending.

 -- 
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  jmkasun...@fastmail.fm


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Re: [Emc-users] GPIB, was Re: Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 8/16/2012 11:37 AM, Ray Mitchell wrote:
 GPIB also had a ridiculously short cable length (and expensive to boot).

That's true and it seemed we always needed one more cable than we could 
lay our hands on when my group was using GPIB aka IEEE 488 aka HP-IB 
extensively (into the early 1980s). Fortunately, there was always 
somebody down the hall to borrow one from.

On the other hand, why beat on a dead horse? HP-IB was developed by HP 
back in the 1960s-1970s to interconnect its growing line of 
instrumentation products with digital interfaces. IEEE got into the act 
in the 1970s. The HP-IB bus was implemented in TTL. Given that, I think 
the usable cable lengths were pretty impressive.

We took a ton of data on HP 98xx desktop computers bussed to HP 
instruments; processed and plotted results to HP plotters. (Anyone 
remember those funky magnetic program cards? I wish I had kept one for a 
souvenir. Indeed, I wish I had kept one of every kind of data storage 
medium I used in my professional lifetime.)

This technology wasn't my choice---I had joined the group with extensive 
experience in minicompter/NIM-bin/CAMAC technologies---but taking the HP 
approach meant the engineers could do their own integration. At least 
two students won PhDs from their home universities with research based 
in part on the data they gathered in our group.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

Regards,
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Re: [Emc-users] GPIB, was Re: Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Peter Blodow
I am still using a GPIB bus controlled Parker Hannifin stepper driver 
which is capable  of more than 30 kHz at 50 volts and some 20 amps peak 
current per winding. It's capable of breaking a 3 mm hardened dowel pin 
used as a coupling device between the stepper motor and the cross slide 
screw on my lathe (if I fail to stop it before the way's physical ends). 
I have to use an old DOS 3.3 computer, though, in order to run the IEEE 
488 board in the ISA slot. IEEE 488 was a great standard at its time.

Peter

Kent A. Reed schrieb:
 On 8/16/2012 11:37 AM, Ray Mitchell wrote:
   
 GPIB also had a ridiculously short cable length (and expensive to boot).
 

 That's true and it seemed we always needed one more cable than we could 
 lay our hands on when my group was using GPIB aka IEEE 488 aka HP-IB 
 extensively (into the early 1980s). Fortunately, there was always 
 somebody down the hall to borrow one from.

 On the other hand, why beat on a dead horse? HP-IB was developed by HP 
 back in the 1960s-1970s to interconnect its growing line of 
 instrumentation products with digital interfaces. IEEE got into the act 
 in the 1970s. The HP-IB bus was implemented in TTL. Given that, I think 
 the usable cable lengths were pretty impressive.

 We took a ton of data on HP 98xx desktop computers bussed to HP 
 instruments; processed and plotted results to HP plotters. (Anyone 
 remember those funky magnetic program cards? I wish I had kept one for a 
 souvenir. Indeed, I wish I had kept one of every kind of data storage 
 medium I used in my professional lifetime.)

 This technology wasn't my choice---I had joined the group with extensive 
 experience in minicompter/NIM-bin/CAMAC technologies---but taking the HP 
 approach meant the engineers could do their own integration. At least 
 two students won PhDs from their home universities with research based 
 in part on the data they gathered in our group.

 Sic transit gloria mundi.

 Regards,
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Re: [Emc-users] Following error with gantrykins

2012-08-16 Thread Andrew
2012/8/16 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com

 On 16 August 2012 17:35, Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com wrote:

  What's the difference between DEFAULT_ACCELERATION and MAX_ACCELERATION?

 I think one predated the other, and currently both are accepted by
 some interfaces and not others.
 I think that DEFAULT... is the more generally applicable.

  If I don't have MAX_ACCELERATION in my ini's, is it taken from axis
  settings?

 Only in Joint mode or trivial kinematics.

 Thanks, Andy.
According to my observations, for non-trivial too. And, I assume that for
non-trivial kinematics velocity and acceleration limits are in world-mode,
which is a pity.


2012/8/16 Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com

 negative acceleration is deceleration (well, depending on direction and
 reference frame.)  ANY change in speed is acceleration.


Thanks, I see now.

2012/8/16 John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm

  Also, can you explain me The acceleration and deceleration phase each
  use
  half the ini file MAX_ACCELERATION. In a blend that is an exact reversal,
  this causes the total axis acceleration to equal the ini file
  MAX_ACCELERATION (User concepts). How is it possible that an axis
  decelerates and accelerates simultaneously?

 Each move consists of an acceleration period, a cruise period, and a
 deceleration period.  In exact stop mode, one move completes all three
 periods, then the next move starts.

 When blending, the accel portion of a new move is overlapped with the
 decel portion of the previous move.  If both moves are in the same
 direction, then the accel and decel cancel, and the actual speed
 remains constant - perfect blending.


Thanks, that is helpful.
To tell the truth this is the first time I completely aknowledged this
information about acceleration.
That's pretty bad feature of Linuxcnc... And it's a pity that I did not
think about it before.

Say, I got actuators with 5m/s2 acceleration, with usual G64 mode I can not
use their full power! I set MAX_ACCELERATION to 5000, but only 50% is
engaged all the time, except reversal blending which uses 100%. But if I
set MAX_ACCELERATION to 1, the actuators will be overloaded
when reversal blending occurs.
That is... very disappointing to me.
Now the only way to use full acceleration is G61 and MAX_ACCELERATION =
2*actuator_acceleration, isn't it?

Andrew
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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Mark Wendt
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Jason Burton lathebuil...@gmail.com wrote:


 I have a 100 mhz HP scope for the bench, but it takes a bit to warm up (if
 you follow the manual's guideline). That and no one-shot event capture have
 me looking for another scope.

 Doing some very short transient pulse measurements. Good news is they are
 audio frequency range so no great strain on most worth-anything scopes.

 Looking for a good bang for the buck rig with either digital capture that
 can be downloaded for analysis, or even old school one-shot hold memory
 (and i'll take a photo of the screen).

 I left off looking at the Tek 2200 series with memory added when the Nanos
 came around.

 Think it might be a good fit?

 Jason

If you don't mind another bench size scope, you might consider one of
the Tek 7000 mainframe series.  I've got a 7623 mainframe, 100 MHz,
that's a storage scope.  I don't use the storage function often, but
when I need it, it comes in really handy.  And with certain Time Base
plugins, like the 7B92A, you can squeak out almost 500 Mhz from it.

If you want something a little smaller, you might consider the Tek
TM500 series mainframe, with a SC503 storage scope.  It's only 10 MHz,
but that's plenty good enough for the audio frequency range.

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] GPIB, was Re: Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Mark Wendt
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote:
 I am still using a GPIB bus controlled Parker Hannifin stepper driver
 which is capable  of more than 30 kHz at 50 volts and some 20 amps peak
 current per winding. It's capable of breaking a 3 mm hardened dowel pin
 used as a coupling device between the stepper motor and the cross slide
 screw on my lathe (if I fail to stop it before the way's physical ends).
 I have to use an old DOS 3.3 computer, though, in order to run the IEEE
 488 board in the ISA slot. IEEE 488 was a great standard at its time.

 Peter

Heck Peter, get yourself one of those USB-GPIB adapters, and then get
this stuff:

http://gpib-utils.sourceforge.net/

And run it off your Linux box.

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-16 Thread cogoman
On 08/15/2012 09:26 PM, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote:
 I think problem again here.
 I am not talking about UBUNTU.
 I am talking about EMC2 2.2.5 and problem in DELETE file -program name-
 from icon on EMC2 where one load new program.
 When load file/program into EMC2 --EMC2 2.2.5 in my particular
 case---DELETE those file name.
 Is is clear now what i am talking about?
   LinuxCNC (formerly EMC2) without Ubuntu, or without the real time 
kernal, would make your PC just an expensive paperweight.  Ubuntu is the 
operating system on the live CD.
   There is a method for deleting files in Ubuntu, and this youtube 
video (and maybe the ones that follow it) should show how it's done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg1fwIaxDOA


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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 16 August 2012 19:45:08 Jason Burton did opine:

 On Aug 14, 2012 10:16 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  On Tuesday 14 August 2012 23:09:35 Jason Burton did opine:
   On Aug 14, 2012 9:08 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
On Tuesday 14 August 2012 10:00:30 Mark Wendt did opine:
 Ebay auction #160861790127
 
 Mark

A bit rich ($330) for my budget.  I bought one of the DSO NANO's. 
For
   
   what
   
I want to use it for its adequate.  Unplug the usb charging cable
and its fully isolated.

Cheers, Gene
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There are four boxes...
   
   How do you like the DSO Nano? I've been eyeing them for a while.
  
  About the only thing I haven't mastered is getting the sweep trigger
  set
 
 so
 
  I can see the actual trigger.  Other than that, and a miss-match
  between the probe and its frequency comp that distorts a square wave
  somewhat, it Just Works(TM).
  
  I didn't expect it to match my Hitachi V-1065, but at 5% of the cost
  ...
  
  Cheers, Gene
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 I have a 100 mhz HP scope for the bench, but it takes a bit to warm up
 (if you follow the manual's guideline). That and no one-shot event
 capture have me looking for another scope.
 
 Doing some very short transient pulse measurements. Good news is they
 are audio frequency range so no great strain on most worth-anything
 scopes.
 
 Looking for a good bang for the buck rig with either digital capture
 that can be downloaded for analysis, or even old school one-shot hold
 memory (and i'll take a photo of the screen).
 
 I left off looking at the Tek 2200 series with memory added when the
 Nanos came around.
 
 Think it might be a good fit?
 
No clue Jason.  The only tek 22xx I ever had any experience with was new in 
'84, a pure analog 100 mhz dual trace 2235, had a shite crt that tek would 
not replace in warranty, so I eventually ordered the crt ($550 at the time) 
and put it in myself.  Generally it worked well but as usual with a tek, 
the input attenuators go way out of calibration and developed severe 
frequency response errors, really bad by '93 or so, and by then tek had 
done that same thing they always do 5 years after the last one rolls off 
the line, all the spares went to the landfill.  I sent it to the 
transmitter site. AFAIK, it still works, but if I saw a square wave being 
displayed as a square wave, I'd go get my glasses fixed.  My own Hitachi 
V-1065 works well yet today and it is pushing 30 years old.  The timebase 
is out of calibration about 3 or 4%, but voltages are still dead on, as are 
the displays of a square wave.  Best $1200 I ever spent for any piece of 
test equipment, ever.  If something should destroy it, I'd buy another one 
just like it tomorrow.

The only Hitachi scope I wouldn't touch is the V-1085, the trigger circuit 
doesn't.

 Jason
 
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Re: [Emc-users] GPIB, was Re: Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread dave
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 16:31 -0400, Kent A. Reed wrote:
 On 8/16/2012 11:37 AM, Ray Mitchell wrote:
  GPIB also had a ridiculously short cable length (and expensive to boot).
 
 That's true and it seemed we always needed one more cable than we could 
 lay our hands on when my group was using GPIB aka IEEE 488 aka HP-IB 
 extensively (into the early 1980s). Fortunately, there was always 
 somebody down the hall to borrow one from.
 
 On the other hand, why beat on a dead horse? HP-IB was developed by HP 
 back in the 1960s-1970s to interconnect its growing line of 
 instrumentation products with digital interfaces. IEEE got into the act 
 in the 1970s. The HP-IB bus was implemented in TTL. Given that, I think 
 the usable cable lengths were pretty impressive.
 
 We took a ton of data on HP 98xx desktop computers bussed to HP 
 instruments; processed and plotted results to HP plotters. (Anyone 
 remember those funky magnetic program cards? I wish I had kept one for a 
 souvenir. Indeed, I wish I had kept one of every kind of data storage 
 medium I used in my professional lifetime.)
 
 This technology wasn't my choice---I had joined the group with extensive 
 experience in minicompter/NIM-bin/CAMAC technologies---but taking the HP 
 approach meant the engineers could do their own integration. At least 
 two students won PhDs from their home universities with research based 
 in part on the data they gathered in our group.
 
 Sic transit gloria mundi.
 
 Regards,
 Kent
 
Oh! My, My. aren't memories fun. We used a HP9815 as a storage
device/printer for the Atomic Absorbtion system. Tape stored the binary
to reload the PDP-11 and the printer recorded the results. I suspect
that was fairly good implementation for the era. :-)

D
IIRC HP-IB was good for 2 m between instruments. 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] GPIB, was Re: Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-16 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote:
 On 8/16/2012 11:37 AM, Ray Mitchell wrote:
   
 GPIB also had a ridiculously short cable length (and expensive to boot)
I make my own GPIB cables with twisted-pair ribbon cable, hand-wired to 
adapt
from GPIB to 25-pin parallel port.  I can do 30 feet just fine, with 
software bit-banging.

Jon

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