Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 07:44:55AM -0600, andyholcomb wrote: > I have not found a lot of info on g54, what would be a good procedure > for the use of g54? Do I just set all of my zeros using the right click > and when I get all three axises do I just type g54 in the mdi mode? > > Andy Dave E said earlier how he sets the offsets in tkemc. G54 is the default coordinate system that's in effect when the machine starts, and after M2 etc. But if you have no home position you could just use the Home button which is a lot simpler. Like I said in my previous message, right clicking is not involved (that is the point - we are avoiding tkemc's right click stuff) Have you tried the AXIS frontend and the touch-off feature? I'd like to hear whether that works how you expect. Chris - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
I have not found a lot of info on g54, what would be a good procedure for the use of g54? Do I just set all of my zeros using the right click and when I get all three axises do I just type g54 in the mdi mode? Andy Chris Radek wrote: >On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:37:49PM -0500, Andy Holcomb wrote: > > >>This seams like it would be great for a machine that has a homed >>position, but on a machine without, it smells. Your telling me I have to >>do work and type in g54 x every time I want to zero an axis? >> >> > >If your machine does not have home switches or a home position (which >means you can't use soft limits for overtravel protection) you can set >the soft limits to large numbers in the INI file, and use the Home >button to zero an axis. > >Until/unless tkemc is fixed to do something more useful/permanent when >an axis is right-clicked I just suggest you avoid right-clicking. >The current behavior is just confusing I think. > >Using G54 or Home are two ways to avoid it. > >Chris > >- >Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your >opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash >http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >___ >Emc-users mailing list >Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:37:49PM -0500, Andy Holcomb wrote: > > This seams like it would be great for a machine that has a homed > position, but on a machine without, it smells. Your telling me I have to > do work and type in g54 x every time I want to zero an axis? If your machine does not have home switches or a home position (which means you can't use soft limits for overtravel protection) you can set the soft limits to large numbers in the INI file, and use the Home button to zero an axis. Until/unless tkemc is fixed to do something more useful/permanent when an axis is right-clicked I just suggest you avoid right-clicking. The current behavior is just confusing I think. Using G54 or Home are two ways to avoid it. Chris - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
One thing I have noticed about AXIS is that the shortcuts are case sensitive. Not a big deal once you realize it. On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 13:49 -0500, Jeff Epler wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:26:50PM -0500, Andy Holcomb wrote: > > Are the key short cuts in AXIS? like c,i,r and p? > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis/index.html#SECTION0014 > > Keyboard Controls > > Almost all actions in AXIS can be accomplished with the keyboard. A full > list of keyboard shortcuts can be found in the AXIS Quick Reference, > which can be displayed by choosing HELP > QUICK REFERENCE. Many of the > shortcuts are unavailable when in Code Entry mode. > > Table: Most Common Keyboard Shortcuts > Keystroke Action Taken > = > F1 Toggle Emergency Stop > F2 Turn machine on/off > `, 1 .. 9, 0Set feed override from 0% to 100% > X, `Activate first axis > Y, 1Activate second axis > Z, 2Activate third axis > A, 3Activate fourth axis > I Select jog increment > C Continuous jog > Control-HomePerform homing sequence > End Touch off: Set G54 offset for active axis > Left, Right Jog first axis > Up, DownJog second axis > Pg Up, Pg DnJog third axis > [, ]Jog fourth axis > O Open File > Control-R Reload File > R Run file > P Pause execution > S Resume Execution > ESC Stop execution > Control-K Clear backplot > V Cycle among preset views > > Jeff > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
Using TkEmc --> scripts ---> set coordinates will give you a popup that allows you set set g54 --> g59.3. You can use the teach mode or edit the numbers directly. All axes are independent so you can set one , then move and set the next, etc and finally write the results and exit. Ray can tell you if there are any more features hidden in that popup. I use it all the time even for setting temp stuff and some not so temp positions. HTH Dave On Mar 30, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Andy Holcomb wrote: > > > John Kasunich wrote: >> Andy Holcomb wrote: >> >>> John Kasunich wrote: >>> When you use the right-click to set a position in TkEMC, you are setting a G92 offset. G92 offsets are temporary and get cleared when you abort. That is the way G92 works. "Its a feature, not a bug" >>> This is the way I did it in EMC1 all the time, has this changed? >>> >> >> It works according to the spec in EMC2. G92 is supposed to be >> temporary. If it was not temporary in EMC1, that was probably a bug. >> >> > I was referring to, maybe EMC1 used G54 instead of G92 > > This seams like it would be great for a machine that has a homed > position, but on a machine without, it smells. Your telling me I > have to > do work and type in g54 x every time I want to zero an axis? > > Andy I believe AXIS sets a G54 offset when you use its "TOUCH OFF" button. G54 offsets are not temporary. So the "touch off" button in AXIS works like the right mouse in TkEMC, but the offsets you set with "touch off" won't go away when you abort. >>> Are the key short cuts in AXIS? like c,i,r and p? >>> >> >> I don't know. Try it and see. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Kasunich >> >> - >> >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to >> share your >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php? >> page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> >> > > -- > --- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to > share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php? > page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:26:50PM -0500, Andy Holcomb wrote: > Are the key short cuts in AXIS? like c,i,r and p? http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis/index.html#SECTION0014 Keyboard Controls Almost all actions in AXIS can be accomplished with the keyboard. A full list of keyboard shortcuts can be found in the AXIS Quick Reference, which can be displayed by choosing HELP > QUICK REFERENCE. Many of the shortcuts are unavailable when in Code Entry mode. Table: Most Common Keyboard Shortcuts Keystroke Action Taken = F1 Toggle Emergency Stop F2 Turn machine on/off `, 1 .. 9, 0Set feed override from 0% to 100% X, `Activate first axis Y, 1Activate second axis Z, 2Activate third axis A, 3Activate fourth axis I Select jog increment C Continuous jog Control-HomePerform homing sequence End Touch off: Set G54 offset for active axis Left, Right Jog first axis Up, DownJog second axis Pg Up, Pg DnJog third axis [, ]Jog fourth axis O Open File Control-R Reload File R Run file P Pause execution S Resume Execution ESC Stop execution Control-K Clear backplot V Cycle among preset views Jeff - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
Andy Holcomb wrote: > > I was referring to, maybe EMC1 used G54 instead of G92 > I have no idea what the EMC1 version of TkEMC did. Note that it is TkEMC, not EMC itself, that decides what do on a right-click. EMC provides G54 and G92, and the GUIs decide which one to use. AXIS uses a G54, which seems like a better solution to me. > This seams like it would be great for a machine that has a homed > position, but on a machine without, it smells. Your telling me I have to > do work and type in g54 x every time I want to zero an axis? Well, you could use AXIS. Its "touch off" function works like TkEMC's right click - it pops up a dialog, and you type in the coordinate. TkEMC may have a convenient way to enter a G54 offset. I don't know. I don't use TkEMC, and I don't work on ANY of the GUIs. Hopefully one of the GUI experts will step in and clarify things. Regards, John Kasunich - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
John Kasunich wrote: > Andy Holcomb wrote: > >> John Kasunich wrote: >> >>> When you use the right-click to set a position in TkEMC, you are setting >>> a G92 offset. G92 offsets are temporary and get cleared when you abort. >>> That is the way G92 works. "Its a feature, not a bug" >>> >>> >> This is the way I did it in EMC1 all the time, has this changed? >> > > It works according to the spec in EMC2. G92 is supposed to be > temporary. If it was not temporary in EMC1, that was probably a bug. > > I was referring to, maybe EMC1 used G54 instead of G92 This seams like it would be great for a machine that has a homed position, but on a machine without, it smells. Your telling me I have to do work and type in g54 x every time I want to zero an axis? Andy >>> I believe AXIS sets a G54 offset when you use its "TOUCH OFF" button. >>> G54 offsets are not temporary. So the "touch off" button in AXIS works >>> like the right mouse in TkEMC, but the offsets you set with "touch off" >>> won't go away when you abort. >>> >>> >> Are the key short cuts in AXIS? like c,i,r and p? >> > > I don't know. Try it and see. > > Regards, > > John Kasunich > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
Andy Holcomb wrote: > > John Kasunich wrote: >> When you use the right-click to set a position in TkEMC, you are setting >> a G92 offset. G92 offsets are temporary and get cleared when you abort. >> That is the way G92 works. "Its a feature, not a bug" >> > This is the way I did it in EMC1 all the time, has this changed? It works according to the spec in EMC2. G92 is supposed to be temporary. If it was not temporary in EMC1, that was probably a bug. >> I believe AXIS sets a G54 offset when you use its "TOUCH OFF" button. >> G54 offsets are not temporary. So the "touch off" button in AXIS works >> like the right mouse in TkEMC, but the offsets you set with "touch off" >> won't go away when you abort. >> > Are the key short cuts in AXIS? like c,i,r and p? I don't know. Try it and see. Regards, John Kasunich - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
John Kasunich wrote: > When you use the right-click to set a position in TkEMC, you are setting > a G92 offset. G92 offsets are temporary and get cleared when you abort. > That is the way G92 works. "Its a feature, not a bug" > This is the way I did it in EMC1 all the time, has this changed? > I believe AXIS sets a G54 offset when you use its "TOUCH OFF" button. > G54 offsets are not temporary. So the "touch off" button in AXIS works > like the right mouse in TkEMC, but the offsets you set with "touch off" > won't go away when you abort. > Are the key short cuts in AXIS? like c,i,r and p? > I think there is a better way to set offsets in tkemc. But since I > don't use TkEMC, I don't know how to do that. > > Regards, > > John Kasunich > > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
Andy Holcomb wrote: > Okay, I did some more testing today, here is what I did and the results > > starting machine location was (-2,2,.5) from where I want the (0,0,0) > position to be > I turned the machine on > Started emc > hit f1 and f2 > right clicked on the x axis position number to pull up the position > change box > typed in -2 pressed enter > right clicked on the y axis ... > typed in 2 pressed enter > right clicked on the z axis .. > typed in .5 pressed enter > pressed f4 > loaded a program > pressed r > after the machine was running for a little bit I clicked abort > pressed f5 > typed in g00 x0y0 > pressed enter > the machine went back to the original start up position of (-2,2) and > the displays read (0,0) > so I promptly reset my zero positions as I did above and repeated it, > and it did it again. > When you use the right-click to set a position in TkEMC, you are setting a G92 offset. G92 offsets are temporary and get cleared when you abort. That is the way G92 works. "Its a feature, not a bug" I believe AXIS sets a G54 offset when you use its "TOUCH OFF" button. G54 offsets are not temporary. So the "touch off" button in AXIS works like the right mouse in TkEMC, but the offsets you set with "touch off" won't go away when you abort. I think there is a better way to set offsets in tkemc. But since I don't use TkEMC, I don't know how to do that. Regards, John Kasunich - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
Okay, I did some more testing today, here is what I did and the results starting machine location was (-2,2,.5) from where I want the (0,0,0) position to be I turned the machine on Started emc hit f1 and f2 right clicked on the x axis position number to pull up the position change box typed in -2 pressed enter right clicked on the y axis ... typed in 2 pressed enter right clicked on the z axis .. typed in .5 pressed enter pressed f4 loaded a program pressed r after the machine was running for a little bit I clicked abort pressed f5 typed in g00 x0y0 pressed enter the machine went back to the original start up position of (-2,2) and the displays read (0,0) so I promptly reset my zero positions as I did above and repeated it, and it did it again. It would would appear to be repeatable Any help would be great Thanks Andy Andy Holcomb wrote: > I forgot to say, and it may be a factor, all times I have axis over > speed set to 300% > > Andy > > Andy Holcomb wrote: > >> Ok, I am having an issue, it has done it to me twice now. I have the >> machine all setup as in the position of x y and z, I start to run my >> code and realize I might have an issue with my code so I click the pause >> button on the TKEMC screen, I verify it really is a proplem and I click >> the abort button. I removed fixture screw that I was going to hit and >> started the code again. The spindle promptly moves up about 2 or three >> inches and resets it zero position. My x and y axis also reset zero >> positions also I think by about .5 inches or so. >> >> It has done it to me on two different programs, I am not using any >> offsets or other modes and no tool code. Just straight code. >> I can't remember if I paused the first time, I know I did the second time. >> >> This is a brand new install of Emc2 2.1.0 form the live download, I have >> installed it on to the computer. Now that I think about it, it did it on >> chips3d also, I just hit abort on that though. I didn't have the >> position right so I aborted, I reset the postions and pressed run, it >> promptly moved y down( I think) by about 2 inches and started in the >> wrong spot again. >> >> Is this just me? >> >> Andy >> >> - >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> >> >> > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Abort messes up position
I forgot to say, and it may be a factor, all times I have axis over speed set to 300% Andy Andy Holcomb wrote: > Ok, I am having an issue, it has done it to me twice now. I have the > machine all setup as in the position of x y and z, I start to run my > code and realize I might have an issue with my code so I click the pause > button on the TKEMC screen, I verify it really is a proplem and I click > the abort button. I removed fixture screw that I was going to hit and > started the code again. The spindle promptly moves up about 2 or three > inches and resets it zero position. My x and y axis also reset zero > positions also I think by about .5 inches or so. > > It has done it to me on two different programs, I am not using any > offsets or other modes and no tool code. Just straight code. > I can't remember if I paused the first time, I know I did the second time. > > This is a brand new install of Emc2 2.1.0 form the live download, I have > installed it on to the computer. Now that I think about it, it did it on > chips3d also, I just hit abort on that though. I didn't have the > position right so I aborted, I reset the postions and pressed run, it > promptly moved y down( I think) by about 2 inches and started in the > wrong spot again. > > Is this just me? > > Andy > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Abort messes up position
Ok, I am having an issue, it has done it to me twice now. I have the machine all setup as in the position of x y and z, I start to run my code and realize I might have an issue with my code so I click the pause button on the TKEMC screen, I verify it really is a proplem and I click the abort button. I removed fixture screw that I was going to hit and started the code again. The spindle promptly moves up about 2 or three inches and resets it zero position. My x and y axis also reset zero positions also I think by about .5 inches or so. It has done it to me on two different programs, I am not using any offsets or other modes and no tool code. Just straight code. I can't remember if I paused the first time, I know I did the second time. This is a brand new install of Emc2 2.1.0 form the live download, I have installed it on to the computer. Now that I think about it, it did it on chips3d also, I just hit abort on that though. I didn't have the position right so I aborted, I reset the postions and pressed run, it promptly moved y down( I think) by about 2 inches and started in the wrong spot again. Is this just me? Andy - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
