Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
On 02/18/2013 12:13 PM, John Kasunich wrote: > If you are trimming your posts, you are also trimming the ads. > It took me about three seconds to click my mouse near the top > of this message (after the part I wanted to keep), drag it > to the bottom, and hit the delete key. I'm using Thunderbird 17.0.2, and if I highlight the text I want to reply to, the reply contains only the highlighted text, and leaves everything else out. It's quick, it"s easy, and it looks MUCH nicer! 8-) -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
On 24 February 2013 14:08, John Thornton wrote: >>> News groups are about getting questions answered, and not long discourses > I wonder what it is called when you split two quotes and post a point > like this? Do we need to start discussing the use of whitespace too? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
Why not do top posting, inline posting and bottom posting... oh that is what we do. Top posting makes more sense to me when giving a general reply to the point just below and makes for faster reading. On 2/24/2013 7:52 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 24 February 2013 13:40, Roland Jollivet wrote: >> Top posting is great because it's the latest entry, and thus most relevant. >> News groups are about getting questions answered, and not long discourses I wonder what it is called when you split two quotes and post a point like this? >> aimed at late entrants. If someone picks up the thread months later, the >> onus should be on them to wade through the history to update themselves. > But wading through history in this mailing list is not necessarily > easy (this is _not_ a newsgroup, I spent several years reading > newsgroups, and inline posting was very much the accepted norm there > too) > Also, top-posting limits you to only addressing one point at a time, > it can be difficult to see what earlier point the reply is referring > to. For me inline posting makes more sense to post after the quoted point. > But this is probably one of those things that is never going to reach > a proper consensus, and is off-topic too. In the end everyone does what they like the best... Oh this is the bottom... got lost somehow. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
On 24 February 2013 13:40, Roland Jollivet wrote: > Top posting is great because it's the latest entry, and thus most relevant. > News groups are about getting questions answered, and not long discourses > aimed at late entrants. If someone picks up the thread months later, the > onus should be on them to wade through the history to update themselves. But wading through history in this mailing list is not necessarily easy (this is _not_ a newsgroup, I spent several years reading newsgroups, and inline posting was very much the accepted norm there too) Also, top-posting limits you to only addressing one point at a time, it can be difficult to see what earlier point the reply is referring to. But this is probably one of those things that is never going to reach a proper consensus, and is off-topic too. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Trim Posts
Top posting is great because it's the latest entry, and thus most relevant. News groups are about getting questions answered, and not long discourses aimed at late entrants. If someone picks up the thread months later, the onus should be on them to wade through the history to update themselves. A thread should be in the interest of current contributers, not archive sifters. Bottom posting unfortunately obliges everyone in the current discussion to wade and sift through volumes of info to find the latest .2c, like my comments are here It also obliges people to trim and butcher posts in the interest of brevity, which messes with the flow of the discussion. Roland On 24 February 2013 15:15, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 24.02.13 02:23, andy pugh wrote: > > That isn't the way it is meant to be. Bottom-posting (As you describe) > > is even worse than top-posting (which I despise). > > It is Full-quoting which can make Bottom-posting about as bad as > top-posting, I think. (See sig) > > Reply paragraphs following N short _relevant_ quoted paragraphs will be > Bottom-posting or In-line replies, depending on N. > > Editing is the key, but it can add quite a few seconds of extra thought. > > Erik > > -- > A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > > > > -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
On 24.02.13 02:23, andy pugh wrote: > That isn't the way it is meant to be. Bottom-posting (As you describe) > is even worse than top-posting (which I despise). It is Full-quoting which can make Bottom-posting about as bad as top-posting, I think. (See sig) Reply paragraphs following N short _relevant_ quoted paragraphs will be Bottom-posting or In-line replies, depending on N. Editing is the key, but it can add quite a few seconds of extra thought. Erik -- A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
On 19 February 2013 18:31, John Thornton wrote: > If I had to guess I'd say there is 20 times more traffic here than on > the forum but so much is not on topic it is hard to stay focused. Then > you have abby normal people like me that prefer top posting because I > like to see the reply first and not wade down through a long email with > a bunch of signatures and ads to find the reply(s). That isn't the way it is meant to be. Bottom-posting (As you describe) is even worse than top-posting (which I despise). My preference is for inline-posting, as I am doing here, and as I also do (with much effort) on the forums. What I dislike about the forum is that it takes real effort to ensure I have read everything. With a mailing list I know that when my mailbox is empty then I have read everything. (and i just came back from a week skiing to 290 _topics_ to wade through, which is possibly 2000 emails) > As for the question should someone read the forum, only they can answer > that. I dislike the forum, but it is the first port-of-call for most new users with problems. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 2/19/2013 1:31 PM, John Thornton wrote: > The forum is > active enough that since it has been turned on there have been 29,984 > messages in 3150 subjects. Wow. That's a huge increase over what I saw the last time I looked, which I admit was donkeys' years ago. Guess I should sweep through it from time to time. (So much to read; so little time!) Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Regards, Kent -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
Kent, The forum seems to stay more focused on the question at hand and does not drift off topic much and almost zero idle chit chat. It's a different medium, and as for topics covered like the mailing list and the IRC they are wide and varied. Are they the same topics as the mailing list? Vary rarely will a topic be broadcast over all three communication avenues. If there is a topic your interested in on the forum it is pretty easy to lurk and just read the ones interesting to you. The forum doesn't have near the traffic or static that the mailing list has so it only takes me a few minutes a day to at least scan every post. If you have never been to the forum it is broken down into sections and subsections by topic. For example there is a Hardware section that contains Computer, Driver Boards, and CNC Machines and like wise for other sections. The forum is active enough that since it has been turned on there have been 29,984 messages in 3150 subjects. The most poplar is General LiniuxCNC Questions with 622 topics and next is Advanced Configuration with 299 topics. FAQ's are stickey to the top of a section so you don't have to wade through all the topics looking for common answers. If I had to guess I'd say there is 20 times more traffic here than on the forum but so much is not on topic it is hard to stay focused. Then you have abby normal people like me that prefer top posting because I like to see the reply first and not wade down through a long email with a bunch of signatures and ads to find the reply(s). But that is just my personal preference. For me the forum is much better organized from a subject point of view with 22 sections related to LinuxCNC not counting the International Users sections and forum sections. As for the question should someone read the forum, only they can answer that. John On 2/19/2013 11:12 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote: > On 2/18/2013 10:05 AM, John Thornton wrote: >> No, the forum is like the IRC and a separate communications medium that >> many prefer. > John: > > All my email---and we're talking three different accounts---passes into > my client, which functions as a virtual one-stop-shop. > > As it is, I barely have time to look at my unread messages let alone go > to the forum site to look for new topics/messages or attempt to stick my > teacup into the firehose stream that is the IRC. > > In your opinion, do the forum and the email list(s) tend to cover the > same issues or are there topics discussed on one that aren't on the > other? Perhaps more to the point, on the basis of information rather > than preference, should one be reading the forum regularly even if not > actively using it? > > > Regards, > Kent > > > -- > Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. > Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics > Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
On 2/18/2013 10:05 AM, John Thornton wrote: > No, the forum is like the IRC and a separate communications medium that > many prefer. John: All my email---and we're talking three different accounts---passes into my client, which functions as a virtual one-stop-shop. As it is, I barely have time to look at my unread messages let alone go to the forum site to look for new topics/messages or attempt to stick my teacup into the firehose stream that is the IRC. In your opinion, do the forum and the email list(s) tend to cover the same issues or are there topics discussed on one that aren't on the other? Perhaps more to the point, on the basis of information rather than preference, should one be reading the forum regularly even if not actively using it? Regards, Kent -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
On 18.02.13 12:13, John Kasunich wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, John Thornton wrote: > > Another thing I dislike about the mailing list is all the ads that get > > tacked onto each message like this: > > If you are trimming your posts, you are also trimming the ads. > It took me about three seconds to click my mouse near the top > of this message (after the part I wanted to keep), drag it > to the bottom, and hit the delete key. There's much to recommend that, but when the poster isn't up to it, there are always tools. We're tool users, after all¹. If we don't want to set up a tool like t-prot to automatically trim advertising footers on this list, because the ads fund our free list, then there are additional conveniences, beyond cropping long quotes. For the case of long quotes with interspersed replies, we can within mutt: 1) Display quoted text in a different colour, which helps a bit. (I expect GUI MUAs can do that too.) 2) Zap straight to the next chunk of reply, skipping the quoted gumpf. (Just hit S, and (pages of) untrimmed quotes are instantly scrolled out of sight.) With enough verbiage-mulching gear, it's quite possible to maintain equanimity in the face of deteriorating netiquette, and even fake tolerance of it. Apropos ads, I visited Avrfreaks once. Talk about ads - those flashy jiggling and bopping things which appear on fora are so egregious that the only way I ever find myself on one now is as the result of a google hit. And a requirement to log in is anathema. Erik ¹ And the discipline of quote trimming wasn't taught in school. ;-) -- One man's constant is another man's variable. - A.J. Perlis -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, John Thornton wrote: > Another thing I dislike about the mailing list is all the ads that get > tacked onto each message like this: If you are trimming your posts, you are also trimming the ads. It took me about three seconds to click my mouse near the top of this message (after the part I wanted to keep), drag it to the bottom, and hit the delete key. -- John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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John Thornton wrote: > Another thing I dislike about the mailing list is all the ads that get > tacked onto each message like this: > Yes, but that ad supports SourceForge. We are using the service for free. Jon -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
No, the forum is like the IRC and a separate communications medium that many prefer. You can't miss it if you tried when you visit linuxcnc.org... John On 2/18/2013 8:23 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 18.02.13 06:55, John Thornton wrote the following, but with a 37 line > fullquote following the 2 line reply. Here is how it's squeezed by t-prot: >> I use the delete key... and that is why I prefer the forum you don't >> have to wade through all the repeat posts. >> >> On 2/16/2013 6:05 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: > [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 27 lines snipped |=---] >>> I wouldn't hold my breath while hoping to change the habits of a list. >>> (Even though everyone would benefit. ;-) >>> >>> Erik >>> >>> ¹ t-prot filters from stdin to stdout, so works in any pipeline. >>> It should then be compatible with a number of MUAs, I figure. > T-prot has shrunk the fullquote by 27 lines, making a good¹ attempt to do > what the poster could have done. If there were any reason to refer back > to the full quoted text, Esc-0 expands it in the display. > > Is the forum a GUI view of the mailing list then? If so, can it really > automatically edit out excessive quoted text? Sounds equally useful. > > Erik > > ¹ User tunable too. > -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
Another thing I dislike about the mailing list is all the ads that get tacked onto each message like this: - The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now.http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users On 2/18/2013 8:23 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 18.02.13 06:55, John Thornton wrote the following, but with a 37 line > fullquote following the 2 line reply. Here is how it's squeezed by t-prot: >> I use the delete key... and that is why I prefer the forum you don't >> have to wade through all the repeat posts. >> >> On 2/16/2013 6:05 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: > [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 27 lines snipped |=---] >>> I wouldn't hold my breath while hoping to change the habits of a list. >>> (Even though everyone would benefit. ;-) >>> >>> Erik >>> >>> ¹ t-prot filters from stdin to stdout, so works in any pipeline. >>> It should then be compatible with a number of MUAs, I figure. > T-prot has shrunk the fullquote by 27 lines, making a good¹ attempt to do > what the poster could have done. If there were any reason to refer back > to the full quoted text, Esc-0 expands it in the display. > > Is the forum a GUI view of the mailing list then? If so, can it really > automatically edit out excessive quoted text? Sounds equally useful. > > Erik > > ¹ User tunable too. > -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
On 18.02.13 06:55, John Thornton wrote the following, but with a 37 line fullquote following the 2 line reply. Here is how it's squeezed by t-prot: > > I use the delete key... and that is why I prefer the forum you don't > have to wade through all the repeat posts. > > On 2/16/2013 6:05 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 27 lines snipped |=---] > > > > I wouldn't hold my breath while hoping to change the habits of a list. > > (Even though everyone would benefit. ;-) > > > > Erik > > > > ¹ t-prot filters from stdin to stdout, so works in any pipeline. > >It should then be compatible with a number of MUAs, I figure. T-prot has shrunk the fullquote by 27 lines, making a good¹ attempt to do what the poster could have done. If there were any reason to refer back to the full quoted text, Esc-0 expands it in the display. Is the forum a GUI view of the mailing list then? If so, can it really automatically edit out excessive quoted text? Sounds equally useful. Erik ¹ User tunable too. -- I am returning this otherwise good typing paper to you because someone has printed gibberish all over it and put your name at the top. - Ohio U. English professor -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Trim Posts
I use the delete key... and that is why I prefer the forum you don't have to wade through all the repeat posts. On 2/16/2013 6:05 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 16.02.13 11:32, Marshland Engineering wrote: >> Hi Chaps. Could you please trim your posts. They are getting quite long at >> this point. > Fullquoting does give all of the list recipients a lot of repeated words > to wade through, and can lead to planet-wide cursing. But hobby lists > are not renowned for making the effort to trim the bits not directly > being replied to. So it's probably worthwhile for recipients to also see > what can be done to bury some of the needlessly repeated verbiage. > > One tool I use is: > > $ apt-cache search t-prot > t-prot - display filter for RFC822 messages > > It takes a bunch of options, to control what it compresses. I use it as > the display_filter in mutt¹. As an example, it compressed a TOFU post of > 4 lines of reply, followed by "- Original Message -", then 7 > times as much text, to just the reply, followed by: > > - Original Message - > [---=| TOFU protection by t-prot: 28 lines snipped |=---] > > A couple of mutt macros allow me to activate and deactivate the > compression while viewing a post, but it's rarely needed. > > I will admit that otherwise reader-friendly bottom posts are not > improved by fullquoting, and my current t-prot settings don't handle > that well. I may have a go at optimising the settings. > > I wouldn't hold my breath while hoping to change the habits of a list. > (Even though everyone would benefit. ;-) > > Erik > > ¹ t-prot filters from stdin to stdout, so works in any pipeline. >It should then be compatible with a number of MUAs, I figure. > > -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 16.02.13 11:32, Marshland Engineering wrote: > Hi Chaps. Could you please trim your posts. They are getting quite long at > this point. Fullquoting does give all of the list recipients a lot of repeated words to wade through, and can lead to planet-wide cursing. But hobby lists are not renowned for making the effort to trim the bits not directly being replied to. So it's probably worthwhile for recipients to also see what can be done to bury some of the needlessly repeated verbiage. One tool I use is: $ apt-cache search t-prot t-prot - display filter for RFC822 messages It takes a bunch of options, to control what it compresses. I use it as the display_filter in mutt¹. As an example, it compressed a TOFU post of 4 lines of reply, followed by "- Original Message -", then 7 times as much text, to just the reply, followed by: - Original Message - [---=| TOFU protection by t-prot: 28 lines snipped |=---] A couple of mutt macros allow me to activate and deactivate the compression while viewing a post, but it's rarely needed. I will admit that otherwise reader-friendly bottom posts are not improved by fullquoting, and my current t-prot settings don't handle that well. I may have a go at optimising the settings. I wouldn't hold my breath while hoping to change the habits of a list. (Even though everyone would benefit. ;-) Erik ¹ t-prot filters from stdin to stdout, so works in any pipeline. It should then be compatible with a number of MUAs, I figure. -- Habit is habit, and not to be flung out of the window by any man, but coaxed down-stairs a step at a time. - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Trim Posts
Hi Chaps. Could you please trim your posts. They are getting quite long at this point. -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
