Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
On Saturday 01 June 2013 05:33:33 Gregg Eshelman did opine: --- On Fri, 5/31/13, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics? To: dengv...@charter.net, Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Friday, May 31, 2013, 6:51 PM On 1 June 2013 01:45, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: In that vein I heard a story about a piece being machined at Hanford. The dwg called for a hole xxx in dia yyy in depth within this very complex part. The machinist did it as called out but the drawing was wrong. Drawing wrong can lead to long arguments. I have made drawings like that. I had 1mm tolerance on several things, and .01 on a very thin web. They machined to nominal dimensions…. Somewhere on the web (I can't find it now) is a hilarious RFQ rejection form with checkboxes for many reasons why a shop can't or won't do a job. One of them is something like Zero or negative wall thickness. We don't care if your part is gone when we're done machining, we're still getting paid. I remember some stuff like that that Martin-Marietta had back when we were building the original Titan I's in '60-61, shop drawings, complete with part numbers to request of a bunch of special bolts that might be needed if the holes didn't line up etc. Totally impossible to make, or install, stuff. Folks would stop stare at that for several minutes until it dawned on them that some draftsman had entirely too much time on his hands. This if it can be found again, and a fresh copy of that I'd love to post in my shop for the entertainment value. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene is up! My views http://www.armchairpatriot.com/What%20Has%20America%20Become.shtml To use violence is to already be defeated. -- Chinese proverb A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
On 6/1/2013 5:42 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 01 June 2013 05:33:33 Gregg Eshelman did opine: --- On Fri, 5/31/13, andy pughbodge...@gmail.com wrote: From: andy pughbodge...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics? To: dengv...@charter.net, Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Friday, May 31, 2013, 6:51 PM On 1 June 2013 01:45, davedengv...@charter.net wrote: In that vein I heard a story about a piece being machined at Hanford. The dwg called for a hole xxx in dia yyy in depth within this very complex part. The machinist did it as called out but the drawing was wrong. Drawing wrong can lead to long arguments. I have made drawings like that. I had 1mm tolerance on several things, and .01 on a very thin web. They machined to nominal dimensions…. Somewhere on the web (I can't find it now) is a hilarious RFQ rejection form with checkboxes for many reasons why a shop can't or won't do a job. One of them is something like Zero or negative wall thickness. We don't care if your part is gone when we're done machining, we're still getting paid. I remember some stuff like that that Martin-Marietta had back when we were building the original Titan I's in '60-61, shop drawings, complete with part numbers to request of a bunch of special bolts that might be needed if the holes didn't line up etc. Totally impossible to make, or install, stuff. Folks would stop stare at that for several minutes until it dawned on them that some draftsman had entirely too much time on his hands. This if it can be found again, and a fresh copy of that I'd love to post in my shop for the entertainment value. Cheers, Gene Some things never change. A local company hired a new engineer who made some drawings for a prototype machine.Everything was dimensioned in inches and the engineer had 4 digits to the right of the decimal point on many of the dimensions with no notes on required precision. The local company has a machine shop but they were too busy to make the parts so they sent the job out to a large local machine shop that has a large number of state of the art CNC machines. The RFQ was returned with a handwritten note saying that they can make the parts as drawn, but that they would be unaffordable.. please call to discuss.:-) I caught the frustrated machine shop manager as he was headed towards the newbie engineers desk to chew him out for wasting his time. He won't make that same mistake twice! Dave Cole -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
Am 31.05.2013 um 08:24 schrieb RogerN re...@wildblue.net: Let’s say, for example, you have a part that takes some machining at some angle to the parts normal X, Y, and Z. My CAD/CAM software will let me pick a 3D face and will align to that for generating the code. Is it possible to do something similar with LinuxCNC? like if you need to machine a flat and drill a hole at 45 degrees between the X and Z, can you rotate the CNC coordinate system 45 degrees about the Y axis so that when you jog X, the machine moves X and Z at a 45 degree angle, and when you jog Z, the machine moves Z and X at 45 degrees (90 degrees from the X jog). This jogging at an angle would be used to indicate the part and touch off the normal X and Z surfaces to properly align the part for machining the geometry at an angle. Sorry for my ignorance for the kinematics but I’m envisioning something like 3D trig where you can rotate the coordinate system in 3D, use jogging for aligning and touching off the part, then go back to machine coordinates and machine the geometry at the correct location and angle. Otherwise it seems difficult to stick a part in the vise at 45 degrees and position a hole as some coordinate from angled surfaces. Another thought that may be similar, if you could use probe input, you could rotate the part and touch off 3 points to define the planes for top, side, end (XY, XZ, YZ ?). I thought this might already be possible because I’ve read the LinuxCNC can do 6 axis (X,Y,Z, and A,B,C). Any thoughts? Can variables be used or calculated for rotating the machine kinematics (or coordinate system) to aid positioning parts at odd angles for machining? RogerN have a look at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ContributedComponents#millkins_trivial_kinematics_extended_by_XY_skew_correction and src/emc/kinematics/rotatekins.c for some inspiration -m -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
On 31 May 2013 07:24, RogerN re...@wildblue.net wrote: Let’s say, for example, you have a part that takes some machining at some angle to the parts normal X, Y, and Z. My CAD/CAM software will let me pick a 3D face and will align to that for generating the code. Is it possible to do something similar with LinuxCNC? like if you need to machine a flat and drill a hole at 45 degrees between the X and Z, can you rotate the CNC coordinate system 45 degrees about the Y axis so that when you jog X, the machine moves X and Z at a 45 degree angle, and when you jog Z, the machine moves Z and X at 45 degrees (90 degrees from the X jog). The answer is probably maybe I don't think that doing what you describe makes any sense unless you can also change the angle of the tool axis. If you are talking about changing the tool axis then it becomes a normal 4/5 axis kinematics. I guess with a tilting-head mill there is no reason that the angular axes used by kinematics need to actually be motorised. The AB angles could be inputs to HAL set to match the physical angles manually set by the operator. There is a 5axiskins in src/emc/kinematics that might already do what you are describing under the situation described above. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
g17,18,19 will select yor planes of motion then g91 will give the incremental move off, and i am uncertain what linuxcncs code for radians is . but im with andy if you only have 3 axis why? linear interpolation will do what you are asking if i understand correctl On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:56 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 May 2013 07:24, RogerN re...@wildblue.net wrote: Let’s say, for example, you have a part that takes some machining at some angle to the parts normal X, Y, and Z. My CAD/CAM software will let me pick a 3D face and will align to that for generating the code. Is it possible to do something similar with LinuxCNC? like if you need to machine a flat and drill a hole at 45 degrees between the X and Z, can you rotate the CNC coordinate system 45 degrees about the Y axis so that when you jog X, the machine moves X and Z at a 45 degree angle, and when you jog Z, the machine moves Z and X at 45 degrees (90 degrees from the X jog). The answer is probably maybe I don't think that doing what you describe makes any sense unless you can also change the angle of the tool axis. If you are talking about changing the tool axis then it becomes a normal 4/5 axis kinematics. I guess with a tilting-head mill there is no reason that the angular axes used by kinematics need to actually be motorised. The AB angles could be inputs to HAL set to match the physical angles manually set by the operator. There is a 5axiskins in src/emc/kinematics that might already do what you are describing under the situation described above. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- We conclude that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. That right existed prior to the formation of the new government under the Constitution and was premised on the private use of arms for activities such as hunting and self-defense, the latter being understood as resistance to either private lawlessness or the depredations of a tyrannical government. - U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit, March 9, 2007 jeremy youngs -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
I machined the trigger group in an AR-15 receiver using my manual mill. I bought 5 AR- 15 receiver blank forgings and would like to machine them with my CNC mill. I have a solid model IGES file that has all the geometry I need to machine the part. The problem is when I try to machine the surfaces that are at an angle to the normal machined surfaces. If I could indicate the part in the vise at an angle, then I could machine it aligned to my 3 axis machine coordinates. So if I could manually rotate the part and indicate it in, then I think it would be possible to machine in 3 axis aligned to the 4th, 5th, and 6th axis that I don't have in reality. For my receiver I have machine top bottom. left right side, plus fore and aft, plus at least 2 parts at an angle to the other setups, and that's where the problem is. I guess I'm wanting 4 or 5 axis machining without 4 or 5 axis of motion, with the part manually positioned at the angle the CNC would like it positioned to machine. RogerN -Original Message- From: jeremy youngs Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:36 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics? g17,18,19 will select yor planes of motion then g91 will give the incremental move off, and i am uncertain what linuxcncs code for radians is . but im with andy if you only have 3 axis why? linear interpolation will do what you are asking if i understand correctl On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:56 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 May 2013 07:24, RogerN re...@wildblue.net wrote: Let’s say, for example, you have a part that takes some machining at some angle to the parts normal X, Y, and Z. My CAD/CAM software will let me pick a 3D face and will align to that for generating the code. Is it possible to do something similar with LinuxCNC? like if you need to machine a flat and drill a hole at 45 degrees between the X and Z, can you rotate the CNC coordinate system 45 degrees about the Y axis so that when you jog X, the machine moves X and Z at a 45 degree angle, and when you jog Z, the machine moves Z and X at 45 degrees (90 degrees from the X jog). The answer is probably maybe I don't think that doing what you describe makes any sense unless you can also change the angle of the tool axis. If you are talking about changing the tool axis then it becomes a normal 4/5 axis kinematics. I guess with a tilting-head mill there is no reason that the angular axes used by kinematics need to actually be motorised. The AB angles could be inputs to HAL set to match the physical angles manually set by the operator. There is a 5axiskins in src/emc/kinematics that might already do what you are describing under the situation described above. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- We conclude that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. That right existed prior to the formation of the new government under the Constitution and was premised on the private use of arms for activities such as hunting and self-defense, the latter being understood as resistance to either private lawlessness or the depredations of a tyrannical government. - U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit, March 9, 2007 jeremy youngs -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
On 31 May 2013 22:54, RogerN re...@wildblue.net wrote: I have a solid model IGES file that has all the geometry I need to machine the part. The problem is when I try to machine the surfaces that are at an angle to the normal machined surfaces. I think the most expedient way to do this would be to set up planes in the CAD model, and create 2D drawings projected on those planes. In theory you could set up a 5-axis kinematics and manually set the angles of the rotary axes. But elements such as the tool length and the distances between rotation axes and the datum planes become critical. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 23:43 +0100, andy pugh wrote: On 31 May 2013 22:54, RogerN re...@wildblue.net wrote: I have a solid model IGES file that has all the geometry I need to machine the part. The problem is when I try to machine the surfaces that are at an angle to the normal machined surfaces. I think the most expedient way to do this would be to set up planes in the CAD model, and create 2D drawings projected on those planes. In theory you could set up a 5-axis kinematics and manually set the angles of the rotary axes. But elements such as the tool length and the distances between rotation axes and the datum planes become critical. The real problem as I see it is: if you make a mistake you trash an expensive part. Not fun. It is nice to have a cheap prototype to practice on. :-) In that vein I heard a story about a piece being machined at Hanford. The dwg called for a hole xxx in dia yyy in depth within this very complex part. The machinist did it as called out but the drawing was wrong. Trashed 1.5 million worth of machining. Another one of those horror stories. Dave -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
On 1 June 2013 01:45, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: In that vein I heard a story about a piece being machined at Hanford. The dwg called for a hole xxx in dia yyy in depth within this very complex part. The machinist did it as called out but the drawing was wrong. Drawing wrong can lead to long arguments. I have made drawings like that. I had 1mm tolerance on several things, and .01 on a very thin web. They machined to nominal dimensions…. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
--- On Fri, 5/31/13, RogerN re...@wildblue.net wrote: clip I guess I'm wanting 4 or 5 axis machining without 4 or 5 axis of motion, with the part manually positioned at the angle the CNC would like it positioned to machine. The solution is to use your 3 axis CNC mill to build your own 2 axis tilting table, then use that to do the 5 axis work on the AR15 lower. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
you need mastercam or another 3d gcode generator. you could program it with g17,18,19 but the math would take forever.I probably already have the same iges files yuo do and they will work in mastercam for me it is the issue of finishing upgrades to the mill , i had back surgey tues so it will likely be a bit before i do . I think there is a link to a blender add on for 3d profiling in the wiki , my son has experimented but i have not . i have some partiaally done mastercam files of the profile but they lack the holes On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:54 PM, RogerN re...@wildblue.net wrote: I machined the trigger group in an AR-15 receiver using my manual mill. I bought 5 AR- 15 receiver blank forgings and would like to machine them with my CNC mill. I have a solid model IGES file that has all the geometry I need to machine the part. The problem is when I try to machine the surfaces that are at an angle to the normal machined surfaces. If I could indicate the part in the vise at an angle, then I could machine it aligned to my 3 axis machine coordinates. So if I could manually rotate the part and indicate it in, then I think it would be possible to machine in 3 axis aligned to the 4th, 5th, and 6th axis that I don't have in reality. For my receiver I have machine top bottom. left right side, plus fore and aft, plus at least 2 parts at an angle to the other setups, and that's where the problem is. I guess I'm wanting 4 or 5 axis machining without 4 or 5 axis of motion, with the part manually positioned at the angle the CNC would like it positioned to machine. RogerN -Original Message- From: jeremy youngs Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:36 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics? g17,18,19 will select yor planes of motion then g91 will give the incremental move off, and i am uncertain what linuxcncs code for radians is . but im with andy if you only have 3 axis why? linear interpolation will do what you are asking if i understand correctl On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:56 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 May 2013 07:24, RogerN re...@wildblue.net wrote: Let’s say, for example, you have a part that takes some machining at some angle to the parts normal X, Y, and Z. My CAD/CAM software will let me pick a 3D face and will align to that for generating the code. Is it possible to do something similar with LinuxCNC? like if you need to machine a flat and drill a hole at 45 degrees between the X and Z, can you rotate the CNC coordinate system 45 degrees about the Y axis so that when you jog X, the machine moves X and Z at a 45 degree angle, and when you jog Z, the machine moves Z and X at 45 degrees (90 degrees from the X jog). The answer is probably maybe I don't think that doing what you describe makes any sense unless you can also change the angle of the tool axis. If you are talking about changing the tool axis then it becomes a normal 4/5 axis kinematics. I guess with a tilting-head mill there is no reason that the angular axes used by kinematics need to actually be motorised. The AB angles could be inputs to HAL set to match the physical angles manually set by the operator. There is a 5axiskins in src/emc/kinematics that might already do what you are describing under the situation described above. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- We conclude that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. That right existed prior to the formation of the new government under the Constitution and was premised on the private use of arms for activities such as hunting and self-defense, the latter being understood as resistance to either private lawlessness or the depredations of a tyrannical government. - U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit, March 9, 2007 jeremy youngs -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https
Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics?
--- On Fri, 5/31/13, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Adjustable Kinnematics? To: dengv...@charter.net, Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Friday, May 31, 2013, 6:51 PM On 1 June 2013 01:45, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: In that vein I heard a story about a piece being machined at Hanford. The dwg called for a hole xxx in dia yyy in depth within this very complex part. The machinist did it as called out but the drawing was wrong. Drawing wrong can lead to long arguments. I have made drawings like that. I had 1mm tolerance on several things, and .01 on a very thin web. They machined to nominal dimensions…. Somewhere on the web (I can't find it now) is a hilarious RFQ rejection form with checkboxes for many reasons why a shop can't or won't do a job. One of them is something like Zero or negative wall thickness. We don't care if your part is gone when we're done machining, we're still getting paid. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
