Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Alex, there already Jason On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 02:04 +0300, Alex Joni wrote: > Hi Jason, > > I don't think you want that.. at some point (but details elude me) there > has been some majour restructuring in the ppc/powerpc tree. > I think you will find it easiest to just start with the stuff RTAI has > support for. > If you want to give x86 on Hardy a spin, join the devel list. > > Regards, > Alex > > > On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 07:59 +1000, Jason Cox wrote: > > Stephan, > > I am just working on the RTAI kernel at the moment under Ubuntu 8.04. > > Unfortunatly the last patch was on a 2.6.20 kernel and so I have to work > > out a patch for 2.6.24. > > My plan is to setup 2.6.24with a rtai kernel for a x86 and then port > > the powerpc rtai kernel patches in over the top. I hope this will give > > the least work as all the changes for the rtai common stuff will be in. > > > > Jason > > > > On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:38 +0200, stephan wintner wrote: > > > Sorry for the late reply - this is of interest to me, I would like to > > > run Linux (Ubuntu or whatever) on my Mac, running it through a > > > parallel port card > > > > > > Have fun > > > -Stephan > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 7:28 PM, paul_c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jason > > > > > > On Monday 11 February 2008 07:45, Jason Cox wrote: > > > > Paul, > > > > I am about ready to start on the mac port :) > > > > I am trying to decide onwhich way to go. > > > > > > > > 1. install xcode and try to get rtai to work on a 10.4 > > > 10.5 kernel. I > > > > have done a bit of digging into this and havent had much > > > luck in finding > > > > anyone who has don it. downfall as i dont know anything > > > about howto > > > > program or run in OS X. realy i am a n00b here > > > > > > > > > RTAI over the OS X kernel will not work, period ! > > > > > > The OS X system, whilst similar in many respects to Linux/GNU > > > (it is, I > > > believe, a BSD derived build), Linux kernel code will not > > > work. > > > > > > > 2. install ubuntu 6.06 as that is the lattest for a > > > PPC class cpu. i > > > > think i still remomber how to manualy do a patch from the > > > rtlinux ad > > > > NIST days. at least i know linux :). > > > > > > > > > If you *really* want to go with Linux, might I suggest going > > > for Debian - You > > > can always upgrade to Lenny (or Sid) if you want > > > testing/unstable/experimental packages without waiting for > > > them to appear in > > > ubuntu. To be honest though, if you already have a distro > > > installed and > > > running, why change. > > > > > > > 3. unknown to me at this stage. > > > > > > > > either way, it should be this week that i start to give it a > > > go > > > > > > > > > Keep the original OS X install, then you have a chance to > > > compile and test for > > > both environments (and we get to see were things go tits up). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Paul. > > > > > > > > > - > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > > - > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > > > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > > > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > > > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > > > ___ Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > - > > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Hi Jason, I don't think you want that.. at some point (but details elude me) there has been some majour restructuring in the ppc/powerpc tree. I think you will find it easiest to just start with the stuff RTAI has support for. If you want to give x86 on Hardy a spin, join the devel list. Regards, Alex On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 07:59 +1000, Jason Cox wrote: > Stephan, > I am just working on the RTAI kernel at the moment under Ubuntu 8.04. > Unfortunatly the last patch was on a 2.6.20 kernel and so I have to work > out a patch for 2.6.24. > My plan is to setup 2.6.24with a rtai kernel for a x86 and then port > the powerpc rtai kernel patches in over the top. I hope this will give > the least work as all the changes for the rtai common stuff will be in. > > Jason > > On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:38 +0200, stephan wintner wrote: > > Sorry for the late reply - this is of interest to me, I would like to > > run Linux (Ubuntu or whatever) on my Mac, running it through a > > parallel port card > > > > Have fun > > -Stephan > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 7:28 PM, paul_c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Hi Jason > > > > On Monday 11 February 2008 07:45, Jason Cox wrote: > > > Paul, > > > I am about ready to start on the mac port :) > > > I am trying to decide onwhich way to go. > > > > > > 1. install xcode and try to get rtai to work on a 10.4 > > 10.5 kernel. I > > > have done a bit of digging into this and havent had much > > luck in finding > > > anyone who has don it. downfall as i dont know anything > > about howto > > > program or run in OS X. realy i am a n00b here > > > > > > RTAI over the OS X kernel will not work, period ! > > > > The OS X system, whilst similar in many respects to Linux/GNU > > (it is, I > > believe, a BSD derived build), Linux kernel code will not > > work. > > > > > 2. install ubuntu 6.06 as that is the lattest for a > > PPC class cpu. i > > > think i still remomber how to manualy do a patch from the > > rtlinux ad > > > NIST days. at least i know linux :). > > > > > > If you *really* want to go with Linux, might I suggest going > > for Debian - You > > can always upgrade to Lenny (or Sid) if you want > > testing/unstable/experimental packages without waiting for > > them to appear in > > ubuntu. To be honest though, if you already have a distro > > installed and > > running, why change. > > > > > 3. unknown to me at this stage. > > > > > > either way, it should be this week that i start to give it a > > go > > > > > > Keep the original OS X install, then you have a chance to > > compile and test for > > both environments (and we get to see were things go tits up). > > > > > > > > Regards, Paul. > > > > > > - > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > - > > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > > ___ Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Stephan, I am just working on the RTAI kernel at the moment under Ubuntu 8.04. Unfortunatly the last patch was on a 2.6.20 kernel and so I have to work out a patch for 2.6.24. My plan is to setup 2.6.24with a rtai kernel for a x86 and then port the powerpc rtai kernel patches in over the top. I hope this will give the least work as all the changes for the rtai common stuff will be in. Jason On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:38 +0200, stephan wintner wrote: > Sorry for the late reply - this is of interest to me, I would like to > run Linux (Ubuntu or whatever) on my Mac, running it through a > parallel port card > > Have fun > -Stephan > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 7:28 PM, paul_c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Hi Jason > > On Monday 11 February 2008 07:45, Jason Cox wrote: > > Paul, > > I am about ready to start on the mac port :) > > I am trying to decide onwhich way to go. > > > > 1. install xcode and try to get rtai to work on a 10.4 > 10.5 kernel. I > > have done a bit of digging into this and havent had much > luck in finding > > anyone who has don it. downfall as i dont know anything > about howto > > program or run in OS X. realy i am a n00b here > > > RTAI over the OS X kernel will not work, period ! > > The OS X system, whilst similar in many respects to Linux/GNU > (it is, I > believe, a BSD derived build), Linux kernel code will not > work. > > > 2. install ubuntu 6.06 as that is the lattest for a > PPC class cpu. i > > think i still remomber how to manualy do a patch from the > rtlinux ad > > NIST days. at least i know linux :). > > > If you *really* want to go with Linux, might I suggest going > for Debian - You > can always upgrade to Lenny (or Sid) if you want > testing/unstable/experimental packages without waiting for > them to appear in > ubuntu. To be honest though, if you already have a distro > installed and > running, why change. > > > 3. unknown to me at this stage. > > > > either way, it should be this week that i start to give it a > go > > > Keep the original OS X install, then you have a chance to > compile and test for > both environments (and we get to see were things go tits up). > > > > Regards, Paul. > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > ___ Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Sorry for the late reply - this is of interest to me, I would like to run Linux (Ubuntu or whatever) on my Mac, running it through a parallel port card Have fun -Stephan On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 7:28 PM, paul_c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Jason > > On Monday 11 February 2008 07:45, Jason Cox wrote: > > Paul, > > I am about ready to start on the mac port :) > > I am trying to decide onwhich way to go. > > > > 1. install xcode and try to get rtai to work on a 10.4 10.5 > kernel. I > > have done a bit of digging into this and havent had much luck in finding > > anyone who has don it. downfall as i dont know anything about howto > > program or run in OS X. realy i am a n00b here > > RTAI over the OS X kernel will not work, period ! > > The OS X system, whilst similar in many respects to Linux/GNU (it is, I > believe, a BSD derived build), Linux kernel code will not work. > > > 2. install ubuntu 6.06 as that is the lattest for a PPC class > cpu. i > > think i still remomber how to manualy do a patch from the rtlinux ad > > NIST days. at least i know linux :). > > If you *really* want to go with Linux, might I suggest going for Debian - > You > can always upgrade to Lenny (or Sid) if you want > testing/unstable/experimental packages without waiting for them to appear > in > ubuntu. To be honest though, if you already have a distro installed and > running, why change. > > > 3. unknown to me at this stage. > > > > either way, it should be this week that i start to give it a go > > Keep the original OS X install, then you have a chance to compile and test > for > both environments (and we get to see were things go tits up). > > > Regards, Paul. > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > - This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Hi Jason On Monday 11 February 2008 07:45, Jason Cox wrote: > Paul, > I am about ready to start on the mac port :) > I am trying to decide onwhich way to go. > > 1. install xcode and try to get rtai to work on a 10.4 10.5 kernel. I > have done a bit of digging into this and havent had much luck in finding > anyone who has don it. downfall as i dont know anything about howto > program or run in OS X. realy i am a n00b here RTAI over the OS X kernel will not work, period ! The OS X system, whilst similar in many respects to Linux/GNU (it is, I believe, a BSD derived build), Linux kernel code will not work. > 2. install ubuntu 6.06 as that is the lattest for a PPC class cpu. i > think i still remomber how to manualy do a patch from the rtlinux ad > NIST days. at least i know linux :). If you *really* want to go with Linux, might I suggest going for Debian - You can always upgrade to Lenny (or Sid) if you want testing/unstable/experimental packages without waiting for them to appear in ubuntu. To be honest though, if you already have a distro installed and running, why change. > 3. unknown to me at this stage. > > either way, it should be this week that i start to give it a go Keep the original OS X install, then you have a chance to compile and test for both environments (and we get to see were things go tits up). Regards, Paul. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Hi Jason On Monday 11 February 2008 10:19, Jason Cox wrote: > Ok i will move over to the Dev list. Keep it here. Dev list is ... > Alex, was this a "roll you own" linux distro that you were using? What i > have is a G4 (gray case) UP with 1G ram so it should do ok. I seem to be > seeing a lot about slow compiling, is it realy bad or just takes time? I > could setup a cross compiler under my gentoo box, but then libs will be > the issue. The only thing that should be time consuming is a kernel build - This can be built with a cross compiler without any side effects. No user space libraries are used in kernel space (if they are, someone needs a kick up the..). If you are comfortable with Gentoo, install it on a second hard drive on the Mac - Just because these guys are developing for ubuntu, it doesn't mean you have to. > On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 10:33 +0200, Alex Joni wrote: > > just some snippets from the RTAI mailing list: > > (Thread called "[Rtai] rtai on a ppc405 (Xilinx XUP Boad)" from the 1st > > February 2008) ppc405 != G4 > > "> - Is it possible to use a newer Kernel than 2.6.14, are there any more > > patches? Since 2.6.18 (as I recall), the powerpc and ppc architectures have been merged in to one (as have i386 & x86_64 in 2.6.24). The latest ipipe patch from the ADEOS team works reasonably well with 2.6.23 but I don't think it is in use by RTAI yet. Before you ask, yes, I do have kernels for i386, x86_64, AND PowerPC installed & running - All patched with the latest ipipe patches (plus a couple more). The PowerPC kernel was also cross-compiled on an AMD64 box without any problem. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Ok i will move over to the Dev list. Alex, was this a "roll you own" linux distro that you were using? What i have is a G4 (gray case) UP with 1G ram so it should do ok. I seem to be seeing a lot about slow compiling, is it realy bad or just takes time? I could setup a cross compiler under my gentoo box, but then libs will be the issue. Looking forward to work on this. Jason On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 10:33 +0200, Alex Joni wrote: > Hi Jason, > > just some snippets from the RTAI mailing list: > (Thread called "[Rtai] rtai on a ppc405 (Xilinx XUP Boad)" from the 1st > February 2008) > > > "> - Is it possible to use a newer Kernel than 2.6.14, are there any more > patches? > > > > At the moment no. Newer patches requires adapting to Linux powerpc > framework, not ppc. With the hardware I have, a small 9 year old G3 > portable Mac, the only witness of externally gifted hardware support in > all of the RTAI history, compiling and testing the kernel and RTAI > directly on it is a bit of pain. I know I should install a cross > development environment to speed things up, but at the moment I've > little time and space to make it ready to use. The only witnesses I know > of the use of the latest RTAI for PPC are on G3 and G4 UP CPUs, 7xxx > series I think. Notice that it is just for UP at the moment. There is an > effort underway on a Mac G5 but is still at the verification stage using > 3.6, the ppc environment and 2.6.14. It should end on powerpc > environment and thus more recent paches but I've no scheduling authority > on it. On my side I've a plan to use ppc/powerpc on a new project but > I'll talk of it only if I'll be able to make it take off. > > Paolo" > > Reading that thread, it seems you should start by using 2.6.14 and RTAI 3.6. > Let us know how things go along. > Maybe we should move this thread over to emc-developers > > Good luck & best regards, > Alex - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Hi Jason, just some snippets from the RTAI mailing list: (Thread called "[Rtai] rtai on a ppc405 (Xilinx XUP Boad)" from the 1st February 2008) "> - Is it possible to use a newer Kernel than 2.6.14, are there any more patches? > At the moment no. Newer patches requires adapting to Linux powerpc framework, not ppc. With the hardware I have, a small 9 year old G3 portable Mac, the only witness of externally gifted hardware support in all of the RTAI history, compiling and testing the kernel and RTAI directly on it is a bit of pain. I know I should install a cross development environment to speed things up, but at the moment I've little time and space to make it ready to use. The only witnesses I know of the use of the latest RTAI for PPC are on G3 and G4 UP CPUs, 7xxx series I think. Notice that it is just for UP at the moment. There is an effort underway on a Mac G5 but is still at the verification stage using 3.6, the ppc environment and 2.6.14. It should end on powerpc environment and thus more recent paches but I've no scheduling authority on it. On my side I've a plan to use ppc/powerpc on a new project but I'll talk of it only if I'll be able to make it take off. Paolo" Reading that thread, it seems you should start by using 2.6.14 and RTAI 3.6. Let us know how things go along. Maybe we should move this thread over to emc-developers Good luck & best regards, Alex - Original Message - From: "Jason Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world) > Paul, > I am about ready to start on the mac port :) > I am trying to decide onwhich way to go. > > 1. install xcode and try to get rtai to work on a 10.4 10.5 kernel. I > have done a bit of digging into this and havent had much luck in finding > anyone who has don it. downfall as i dont know anything about howto > program or run in OS X. realy i am a n00b here > > 2. install ubuntu 6.06 as that is the lattest for a PPC class cpu. i > think i still remomber how to manualy do a patch from the rtlinux ad > NIST days. at least i know linux :). > > 3. unknown to me at this stage. > > either way, it should be this week that i start to give it a go > > Jason > > On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 07:45 +1100, Jason Cox wrote: >> thanks for that Paul. i will look into it soon. >> Jason >> On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 18:15 +, paul_c wrote: >> > Hi Jason >> > >> > On Wednesday 06 February 2008 02:59, Jason Cox wrote: >> > > As i started this thread, i should put my hand up, but there are a >> > > few >> > > problems at the moment. I have just started uni (after 10 years) and >> > > I >> > > would need a guide for setting up a development environment on OSX. >> > >> > All you need is xcode which should be on your installation CD (or DVD), >> > if >> > not, you can easily download it from the Apple Developer's site at >> > http://developer.apple.com/ - You'll probably need to create a user >> > account >> > first.. >> > >> > The xcode package provides all the tools and libraries needed to get >> > started, >> > even an IDE if you don't like the command line. >> > >> > >> > Regards, Paul. >> > >> > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Paul, I am about ready to start on the mac port :) I am trying to decide onwhich way to go. 1. install xcode and try to get rtai to work on a 10.4 10.5 kernel. I have done a bit of digging into this and havent had much luck in finding anyone who has don it. downfall as i dont know anything about howto program or run in OS X. realy i am a n00b here 2. install ubuntu 6.06 as that is the lattest for a PPC class cpu. i think i still remomber how to manualy do a patch from the rtlinux ad NIST days. at least i know linux :). 3. unknown to me at this stage. either way, it should be this week that i start to give it a go Jason On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 07:45 +1100, Jason Cox wrote: > thanks for that Paul. i will look into it soon. > Jason > On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 18:15 +, paul_c wrote: > > Hi Jason > > > > On Wednesday 06 February 2008 02:59, Jason Cox wrote: > > > As i started this thread, i should put my hand up, but there are a few > > > problems at the moment. I have just started uni (after 10 years) and I > > > would need a guide for setting up a development environment on OSX. > > > > All you need is xcode which should be on your installation CD (or DVD), if > > not, you can easily download it from the Apple Developer's site at > > http://developer.apple.com/ - You'll probably need to create a user account > > first.. > > > > The xcode package provides all the tools and libraries needed to get > > started, > > even an IDE if you don't like the command line. > > > > > > Regards, Paul. > > > > - > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
thanks for that Paul. i will look into it soon. Jason On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 18:15 +, paul_c wrote: > Hi Jason > > On Wednesday 06 February 2008 02:59, Jason Cox wrote: > > As i started this thread, i should put my hand up, but there are a few > > problems at the moment. I have just started uni (after 10 years) and I > > would need a guide for setting up a development environment on OSX. > > All you need is xcode which should be on your installation CD (or DVD), if > not, you can easily download it from the Apple Developer's site at > http://developer.apple.com/ - You'll probably need to create a user account > first.. > > The xcode package provides all the tools and libraries needed to get > started, > even an IDE if you don't like the command line. > > > Regards, Paul. > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Hi Jason On Wednesday 06 February 2008 02:59, Jason Cox wrote: > As i started this thread, i should put my hand up, but there are a few > problems at the moment. I have just started uni (after 10 years) and I > would need a guide for setting up a development environment on OSX. All you need is xcode which should be on your installation CD (or DVD), if not, you can easily download it from the Apple Developer's site at http://developer.apple.com/ - You'll probably need to create a user account first.. The xcode package provides all the tools and libraries needed to get started, even an IDE if you don't like the command line. Regards, Paul. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Google "apple-history". Looks like the first mac to have pci was the 7200 in 1995. (3 slots). Dave On Feb 5, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Chris Radek wrote: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 12:36:08AM +0200, Alex Joni wrote: >> This is a bit more recent: >> https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2008-February/018692.html >> >> Regards, >> Alex > > Pardon my mac ignorance but did someone say there's a model with a > pci slot, isa slot, or parallel port? Unless one of the three is > available there is very little point to setting up RTAI because that > would eliminate all supported control hardware. > > I understand someone might want EMC2 with no hardware support for > preview/test run purposes; if so, using the pure-userland build > (simulator) is clearly the way to go. > > Chris > > -- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Forgot to say, 4 pci and a PPort, 2x ide On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 15:02 +1100, Jason Cox wrote: > G4 and up, also known as New World :) > > Jason > > On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 21:30 -0600, Chris Radek wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 12:36:08AM +0200, Alex Joni wrote: > > > This is a bit more recent: > > > https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2008-February/018692.html > > > > > > Regards, > > > Alex > > > > Pardon my mac ignorance but did someone say there's a model with a > > pci slot, isa slot, or parallel port? Unless one of the three is > > available there is very little point to setting up RTAI because that > > would eliminate all supported control hardware. > > > > I understand someone might want EMC2 with no hardware support for > > preview/test run purposes; if so, using the pure-userland build > > (simulator) is clearly the way to go. > > > > Chris > > > > - > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
G4 and up, also known as New World :) Jason On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 21:30 -0600, Chris Radek wrote: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 12:36:08AM +0200, Alex Joni wrote: > > This is a bit more recent: > > https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2008-February/018692.html > > > > Regards, > > Alex > > Pardon my mac ignorance but did someone say there's a model with a > pci slot, isa slot, or parallel port? Unless one of the three is > available there is very little point to setting up RTAI because that > would eliminate all supported control hardware. > > I understand someone might want EMC2 with no hardware support for > preview/test run purposes; if so, using the pure-userland build > (simulator) is clearly the way to go. > > Chris > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 12:36:08AM +0200, Alex Joni wrote: > This is a bit more recent: > https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2008-February/018692.html > > Regards, > Alex Pardon my mac ignorance but did someone say there's a model with a pci slot, isa slot, or parallel port? Unless one of the three is available there is very little point to setting up RTAI because that would eliminate all supported control hardware. I understand someone might want EMC2 with no hardware support for preview/test run purposes; if so, using the pure-userland build (simulator) is clearly the way to go. Chris - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
As i started this thread, i should put my hand up, but there are a few problems at the moment. I have just started uni (after 10 years) and I would need a guide for setting up a development environment on OSX. If some one can supply the guide, i can put a bit of time to each week building up to for when i get back into the swing of uni. Jason On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 00:36 +0200, Alex Joni wrote: > This is a bit more recent: > https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2008-February/018692.html > > Regards, > Alex > > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Engvall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world) > > > > Maybe ... > > > > https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2004-July/008098.html > > > > G3 and G4's are both ppc's. > > > > Unfortunately the mac mini ( duo or duo2 core) doesn't have > > appropriate I/O for emc but it is a nice box > > ... a stack of CDROM's about 6 high. :-) > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Feb 3, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Chris Radek wrote: > > > >> Since emc 2.2, it's been possible to build sim on a mac. I do this > >> on mine, but I think mine's a G3, not a G4. > >> > >> I don't think RTAI works on mac (but I haven't looked hard) so even > >> aside from hardware driver issues, there's no way to control machinery > >> with emc/mac. > >> > >> > >> > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
This is a bit more recent: https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2008-February/018692.html Regards, Alex - Original Message - From: "Dave Engvall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world) > Maybe ... > > https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2004-July/008098.html > > G3 and G4's are both ppc's. > > Unfortunately the mac mini ( duo or duo2 core) doesn't have > appropriate I/O for emc but it is a nice box > ... a stack of CDROM's about 6 high. :-) > > Dave > > > On Feb 3, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Chris Radek wrote: > >> Since emc 2.2, it's been possible to build sim on a mac. I do this >> on mine, but I think mine's a G3, not a G4. >> >> I don't think RTAI works on mac (but I haven't looked hard) so even >> aside from hardware driver issues, there's no way to control machinery >> with emc/mac. >> >> >> - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
On Sunday 03 February 2008 05:35, Jason Cox wrote: > as luck would have it, I was given recently an old G4 Mac. is it posible > to run EMC on a ppc32? After proding a few people I know, some feedback.. The core library, libnml compiles and appears to be functioning when linked to the test suite. The Tcl/Tk bindings are pretty trivial, and as Tcl is part of a native OSX install, shouldn't present any problems (nor should the ncurses interface). Gtk frontends will need supporting libraries from Fink (or elsewhere), so they can be omitted for the timebeing.. This all allows tkemc or similar to run as a "native" OSX application, either G3/4 or Intel based. Looking at the realtime code, it is unlikely it would run within the time constraints required, so it would have to be offloaded to either an external Linux box or an internal "intelligent" I/O card. Some experimentation would be required to determine how much of the lower level code would run within the OSX IO Framework and what needs to move outboard. There are a few DSP cards available that could provide the realtime environment along with I/O capabilities for high speed stepper and/or servo systems. Running a Linux system on a G3/4 is simple enough - The majority of mainstream distros provide a PowerPC port, although some of the packages can lag behind in stability or version when compared to i386 builds. RTAI support is not an issue - Several patches are available for a number of kernels (2.4 and 2.6). Failing that, grab a copy of the ipipe development tree. Looking at the emc2 code base (under protest), it *might* be possible to build a native OSX simulator... But... Building a PowerPC version running on top of RTAI is also going to be difficult for similar reasons... It looks like there is sufficient interest in a native OSX application, and given a suitable I/O card, a practical proposition - Who else is interested ? Regards, Paul. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Hi Chris, AFIK OSX is a BSD unix with Apple's GUI on top. However, one can add X instead. Dave On Feb 3, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Chris Radek wrote: > On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 04:18:49AM +, Alan Condit wrote: >> >> Chris, >> >> You are talking about building sim on linux on the mac, not OS X >> right? >> >> Alan > > Yes, my old mac is running ubuntu dapper. I don't know anything about > OS X or any other mac OS, but I hear they're unixy now, so you'd > surely be able to build sim after a little (or a lot of) work building > the various dependencies. > > Chris > > -- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 04:18:49AM +, Alan Condit wrote: > > Chris, > > You are talking about building sim on linux on the mac, not OS X right? > > Alan Yes, my old mac is running ubuntu dapper. I don't know anything about OS X or any other mac OS, but I hear they're unixy now, so you'd surely be able to build sim after a little (or a lot of) work building the various dependencies. Chris - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Chris Radek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Since emc 2.2, it's been possible to build sim on a mac. I do this > on mine, but I think mine's a G3, not a G4. > Chris, You are talking about building sim on linux on the mac, not OS X right? Alan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
On Sunday 03 February 2008 20:31, Jon Elson wrote: > > I was given recently an old G4 Mac. is it posible to run EMC on a ppc32? > Does it have a parallel port? If not, you are in pretty serious > trouble. The right question should be: Does it have any expansion slots that would allow an IO card to be plugged in ? > Not to mention the problems of getting an rtai compatible version of > RT-Linux running on the ppc, RTAI has patches for various 2.4.xx and 2.6.xx kernels - Not all aimed at the G4 processor. Best place to ask is over on the RTAI mailing list as to which PowerPC processors are currently supported (and pray that it isn't 2.4.xx). > and then getting all of EMC to compile and run properly. It is SUPPOSED > to, but. Take a look at the README - The "mission statement": 2) Reduce complexity by eliminating support for platforms other than Linux on x86, with either RTAI or RTLinux for realtime. (DONE) Note: x86 only ! "or RTLinux" - nuff said. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Jason Cox wrote: > Hi all, > my i386 class emc pc just died :( > as luck would have it, I was given recently an old G4 Mac. is it posible > to run EMC on a ppc32? > any pointers ? Does it have a parallel port? If not, you are in pretty serious trouble. Not to mention the problems of getting an rtai compatible version of RT-Linux running on the ppc, and then getting all of EMC to compile and run properly. It is SUPPOSED to, but. Jon - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Maybe ... https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2004-July/008098.html G3 and G4's are both ppc's. Unfortunately the mac mini ( duo or duo2 core) doesn't have appropriate I/O for emc but it is a nice box ... a stack of CDROM's about 6 high. :-) Dave On Feb 3, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Chris Radek wrote: > Since emc 2.2, it's been possible to build sim on a mac. I do this > on mine, but I think mine's a G3, not a G4. > > I don't think RTAI works on mac (but I haven't looked hard) so even > aside from hardware driver issues, there's no way to control machinery > with emc/mac. > > > -- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Since emc 2.2, it's been possible to build sim on a mac. I do this on mine, but I think mine's a G3, not a G4. I don't think RTAI works on mac (but I haven't looked hard) so even aside from hardware driver issues, there's no way to control machinery with emc/mac. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
Jason Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hi all, > my i386 class emc pc just died :( > as luck would have it, I was given recently an old G4 Mac. is it possible > to run EMC on a ppc32? > any pointers ? > thanks > Jason > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > Jason, I am a Mac lover and I would love to see emc2 running on a Mac. That said however, I suspect that little endian-big endian problems might raise there heads in ugly ways inside emc2. Also you didn't tell which model Mac. Does it have pci slots so that you can add a parallel port to it? The issue of getting RTAI running on a ppc kernel is not insignificant either. I used to have an G4 mac but I still bought a straight pc box to run linux/emc2. I decided I would rather spend my time learning gcode than ppc assembly code. I now have an Intel Mac but still use a cheap pc box for my EMC2/linux. Alan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Running on a G4 MAc (new world)
if i was in the situation i'd try to ebay the mac and use the money to buy parts to either rebuild the old PC or build a new one. I havnt looked lately, but macs seem to retain value, more than PCs at least. i guess to me it would seem easier to fix the old pc than to compile emc to run on a mac, but im more of a hardware person. On Feb 3, 2008 12:35 AM, Jason Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, >my i386 class emc pc just died :( > as luck would have it, I was given recently an old G4 Mac. is it posible > to run EMC on a ppc32? > any pointers ? > thanks > Jason > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
