Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
- dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On 22-Jul-08, at 3:58 PM, Dan Kronstal wrote: I don't know if I'm missing the point here, but it sounds like OpenID is redundant. What we've got here is three subdomains with three logins/accounts when they could all be using one instead. bugtracker/ trac are their own sites with their own thing going on and that's fine, unless you want fancy integration. Really I just think that *.e.org should have a single login (maybe managed/admind from users.e.org? :D), so that when i log into the wiki i don't have to log in again when i hit the forum or exchange. This isn't a lot of work - it's less! Just point at one user database. Actually, it is a lot of work. You have to integrate your login system with MediaWiki, Vanilla Forums, Trac, Bugzilla, Exchange and whatever else we have running. We didn't write any of those systems and they involve several languages and databases. We'd have to write the integrated database stuff for them. If they have plugins to support it we'd be fine (which they may have for openid or whatever) but doing it ourselves is a lot of work. Yes, right... this the result of a first investigation: -Bugzilla: unclear, ther's a plugin but seems broken, need more investigation -MediaWiki: It's OK, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID (seems this can also work as openid provider) -VanillaForum: The plugin is in development, http://lussumo.com/community/discussion/4133/openid-might-be-a-good-vanilla-addon-for-a-5000-prize/ -Track: OK for version 0.11 (we have 0.10.3, can we upgrade?), http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/AuthOpenIdPlugin -Exchange: We can do it -User Map: We can do it Dave dan - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
Interestingly enough, this just came up: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080723-myspace-joins-the-openid-bandwagon-as-a-provider.html For those of us less familiar with OpenID it's an interesting read. Not sure if it's for or against though :) On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest problem with OpenID is that its not very good for desktop apps. (it requires a browser and too many steps to allow apps to authenticate) So, any apps that would use the exchange API would suffer.. There is a public authentication system from google that's similar to openID but friendlier for desktop apps, and I would lean more towards this. However, this means everyone needs a google account, and looks like there are already concerns about privacy from google. Let me know if there are any other authentication systems worth looking into. Otherwise, we can come up with an ultrasimple system of our own (or use Exchange's!) On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Ethan Grammatikidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:12:02 +0200 (CEST), Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dan Kronstal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems like a really nice addition to the site, and a little more cohesive than a separate site for themes and such, but as a general comment on the e.org site it seems that it might be better to have a unified account system. i have separate accounts for wiki.e.org, forum.e.org, and now exchange.e.org? surely there's a better way... You're forgetting bugzilla trac ...and forgetting also the users map! Yes it's crazy to have all this account verification system, I think the only reasonable solution is the use of openid.net (like every site should do) in every service we have. We do want to integrate them all so there's a single sign-on, but because they are all separate systems, this might be a lot of work.. Any volunteers? I could change the login system of the user map to openid Dave How trustworthy is openid? I see they are linked to AOL and Yahoo, who might not be as well-known for data collection as Google, but I would be greatly surprised if those services don't collect user data. I also wouldn't believe what I hear. Much the same goes for other companies in their list. AFAIK data collection on customers/users is normal for corporations today, unless stated otherwise in legally-binding terms. There is no mention of privacy at all on openid.net's front page, which I find distinctly worrying. No link to a 'privacy policy' is unusual nowadays. I don't know exactly, I never used this service, but on the site they say: Who Owns or Controls OpenID? OpenID has arisen from the open source community to solve the problems that could not be easily solved by other existing technologies. OpenID is a lightweight method of identifying individuals that uses the same technology framework that is used to identify websites. As such, OpenID is not owned by anyone, nor should it be. Today, anyone can choose to be an OpenID user or an OpenID Provider for free without having to register or be approved by any organization. The OpenID Foundation was formed to assist the open source model by providing a legal entity to be the steward for the community by providing needed infrastructure and generally helping to promote and support expanded adoption of OpenID. As Brad Fitzpatrick (the father of OpenID) said, Nobody should own this. Nobody's planning on making any money from this. The goal is to release every part of this under the most liberal licenses possible, so there's no money or licensing or registering required to play. It benefits the community as a whole if something like this exists, and we're all a part of the community. This statement continues to resonate today within the OpenID community. -- As to the actual subject, i really like the presentation of the site (actual full screenshots of themes and stuff is great!), and the fact that as a user i could do some feedback, or make my own contributions one day. That's fantastic! Thanks Dan Toma wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to automatically detect themes and allow users
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:49:40 -0400, Christopher Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Maybe I am missing the point here, but aren't these themes already available via get-e.org ? Also, the mpdule, taskbar, and efm nav module are already available via cvsso what's the point of having Yet Another Site ? This seemed doubly strange to me until I went and looked at get-e.org: With the launch of exchange.enlightenment.org GET-E.org has been closed. I was halfway through writing a paragraph on it, too. :) I do have a minor gripe in that the main enlightenment.org site seems to ignore the existence of E themes. I had to ask on IRC before I knew get-e.org even existed. I can understand not wanting to make contrib stuff seem official, but... dh Toma wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to automatically detect themes and allow users to find themes for exactly what they want to theme. Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps. We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show some appreciation for all your hard effort! For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the Exchange, we have a full API documented here: http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct any questions about the API to iamsthitha) mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the website and go through the hassle of installing them. http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to keep an eye on!) - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Ethan Grammatikidis - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dan Kronstal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems like a really nice addition to the site, and a little more cohesive than a separate site for themes and such, but as a general comment on the e.org site it seems that it might be better to have a unified account system. i have separate accounts for wiki.e.org, forum.e.org, and now exchange.e.org? surely there's a better way... You're forgetting bugzilla trac We do want to integrate them all so there's a single sign-on, but because they are all separate systems, this might be a lot of work.. Any volunteers? As to the actual subject, i really like the presentation of the site (actual full screenshots of themes and stuff is great!), and the fact that as a user i could do some feedback, or make my own contributions one day. That's fantastic! Thanks Dan Toma wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to automatically detect themes and allow users to find themes for exactly what they want to theme. Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps. We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show some appreciation for all your hard effort! For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the Exchange, we have a full API documented here: http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct any questions about the API to iamsthitha) mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the website and go through the hassle of installing them. http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to keep an eye on!) - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Ethan Grammatikidis - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
- Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dan Kronstal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems like a really nice addition to the site, and a little more cohesive than a separate site for themes and such, but as a general comment on the e.org site it seems that it might be better to have a unified account system. i have separate accounts for wiki.e.org, forum.e.org, and now exchange.e.org? surely there's a better way... You're forgetting bugzilla trac ...and forgetting also the users map! Yes it's crazy to have all this account verification system, I think the only reasonable solution is the use of openid.net (like every site should do) in every service we have. We do want to integrate them all so there's a single sign-on, but because they are all separate systems, this might be a lot of work.. Any volunteers? I could change the login system of the user map to openid Dave As to the actual subject, i really like the presentation of the site (actual full screenshots of themes and stuff is great!), and the fact that as a user i could do some feedback, or make my own contributions one day. That's fantastic! Thanks Dan Toma wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to automatically detect themes and allow users to find themes for exactly what they want to theme. Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps. We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show some appreciation for all your hard effort! For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the Exchange, we have a full API documented here: http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct any questions about the API to iamsthitha) mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the website and go through the hassle of installing them. http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to keep an eye on!) - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Ethan Grammatikidis - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
- Ethan Grammatikidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:12:02 +0200 (CEST), Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dan Kronstal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems like a really nice addition to the site, and a little more cohesive than a separate site for themes and such, but as a general comment on the e.org site it seems that it might be better to have a unified account system. i have separate accounts for wiki.e.org, forum.e.org, and now exchange.e.org? surely there's a better way... You're forgetting bugzilla trac ...and forgetting also the users map! Yes it's crazy to have all this account verification system, I think the only reasonable solution is the use of openid.net (like every site should do) in every service we have. We do want to integrate them all so there's a single sign-on, but because they are all separate systems, this might be a lot of work.. Any volunteers? I could change the login system of the user map to openid Dave How trustworthy is openid? I see they are linked to AOL and Yahoo, who might not be as well-known for data collection as Google, but I would be greatly surprised if those services don't collect user data. I also wouldn't believe what I hear. Much the same goes for other companies in their list. AFAIK data collection on customers/users is normal for corporations today, unless stated otherwise in legally-binding terms. There is no mention of privacy at all on openid.net's front page, which I find distinctly worrying. No link to a 'privacy policy' is unusual nowadays. I don't know exactly, I never used this service, but on the site they say: Who Owns or Controls OpenID? OpenID has arisen from the open source community to solve the problems that could not be easily solved by other existing technologies. OpenID is a lightweight method of identifying individuals that uses the same technology framework that is used to identify websites. As such, OpenID is not owned by anyone, nor should it be. Today, anyone can choose to be an OpenID user or an OpenID Provider for free without having to register or be approved by any organization. The OpenID Foundation was formed to assist the open source model by providing a legal entity to be the steward for the community by providing needed infrastructure and generally helping to promote and support expanded adoption of OpenID. As Brad Fitzpatrick (the father of OpenID) said, “Nobody should own this. Nobody’s planning on making any money from this. The goal is to release every part of this under the most liberal licenses possible, so there’s no money or licensing or registering required to play. It benefits the community as a whole if something like this exists, and we’re all a part of the community.” This statement continues to resonate today within the OpenID community. -- As to the actual subject, i really like the presentation of the site (actual full screenshots of themes and stuff is great!), and the fact that as a user i could do some feedback, or make my own contributions one day. That's fantastic! Thanks Dan Toma wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to automatically detect themes and allow users to find themes for exactly what they want to theme. Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps. We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show some appreciation for all your hard effort! For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the Exchange, we have a full API documented here: http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct any questions about the API to iamsthitha) mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the website and go through the hassle of installing them. http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary (this is
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
The biggest problem with OpenID is that its not very good for desktop apps. (it requires a browser and too many steps to allow apps to authenticate) So, any apps that would use the exchange API would suffer.. There is a public authentication system from google that's similar to openID but friendlier for desktop apps, and I would lean more towards this. However, this means everyone needs a google account, and looks like there are already concerns about privacy from google. Let me know if there are any other authentication systems worth looking into. Otherwise, we can come up with an ultrasimple system of our own (or use Exchange's!) On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Ethan Grammatikidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:12:02 +0200 (CEST), Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dan Kronstal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems like a really nice addition to the site, and a little more cohesive than a separate site for themes and such, but as a general comment on the e.org site it seems that it might be better to have a unified account system. i have separate accounts for wiki.e.org, forum.e.org, and now exchange.e.org? surely there's a better way... You're forgetting bugzilla trac ...and forgetting also the users map! Yes it's crazy to have all this account verification system, I think the only reasonable solution is the use of openid.net (like every site should do) in every service we have. We do want to integrate them all so there's a single sign-on, but because they are all separate systems, this might be a lot of work.. Any volunteers? I could change the login system of the user map to openid Dave How trustworthy is openid? I see they are linked to AOL and Yahoo, who might not be as well-known for data collection as Google, but I would be greatly surprised if those services don't collect user data. I also wouldn't believe what I hear. Much the same goes for other companies in their list. AFAIK data collection on customers/users is normal for corporations today, unless stated otherwise in legally-binding terms. There is no mention of privacy at all on openid.net's front page, which I find distinctly worrying. No link to a 'privacy policy' is unusual nowadays. I don't know exactly, I never used this service, but on the site they say: Who Owns or Controls OpenID? OpenID has arisen from the open source community to solve the problems that could not be easily solved by other existing technologies. OpenID is a lightweight method of identifying individuals that uses the same technology framework that is used to identify websites. As such, OpenID is not owned by anyone, nor should it be. Today, anyone can choose to be an OpenID user or an OpenID Provider for free without having to register or be approved by any organization. The OpenID Foundation was formed to assist the open source model by providing a legal entity to be the steward for the community by providing needed infrastructure and generally helping to promote and support expanded adoption of OpenID. As Brad Fitzpatrick (the father of OpenID) said, Nobody should own this. Nobody's planning on making any money from this. The goal is to release every part of this under the most liberal licenses possible, so there's no money or licensing or registering required to play. It benefits the community as a whole if something like this exists, and we're all a part of the community. This statement continues to resonate today within the OpenID community. -- As to the actual subject, i really like the presentation of the site (actual full screenshots of themes and stuff is great!), and the fact that as a user i could do some feedback, or make my own contributions one day. That's fantastic! Thanks Dan Toma wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to automatically detect themes and allow users to find themes for exactly what they want to theme. Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps. We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember,
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest problem with OpenID is that its not very good for desktop apps. (it requires a browser and too many steps to allow apps to authenticate) So, any apps that would use the exchange API would suffer.. There is a public authentication system from google that's similar to openID but friendlier for desktop apps, and I would lean more towards this. Why would apps had to deal with authentication? Authentication is needed for contributing and commenting on stuff, which is done in the browser. Downloading stuff doesn't require authentication, and that's what desktop applications would do. Or am I wrong? However, this means everyone needs a google account, and looks like there are already concerns about privacy from google. Let me know if there are any other authentication systems worth looking into. Otherwise, we can come up with an ultrasimple system of our own (or use Exchange's!) On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Ethan Grammatikidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:12:02 +0200 (CEST), Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dan Kronstal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems like a really nice addition to the site, and a little more cohesive than a separate site for themes and such, but as a general comment on the e.org site it seems that it might be better to have a unified account system. i have separate accounts for wiki.e.org, forum.e.org, and now exchange.e.org? surely there's a better way... You're forgetting bugzilla trac ...and forgetting also the users map! Yes it's crazy to have all this account verification system, I think the only reasonable solution is the use of openid.net (like every site should do) in every service we have. We do want to integrate them all so there's a single sign-on, but because they are all separate systems, this might be a lot of work.. Any volunteers? I could change the login system of the user map to openid Dave How trustworthy is openid? I see they are linked to AOL and Yahoo, who might not be as well-known for data collection as Google, but I would be greatly surprised if those services don't collect user data. I also wouldn't believe what I hear. Much the same goes for other companies in their list. AFAIK data collection on customers/users is normal for corporations today, unless stated otherwise in legally-binding terms. There is no mention of privacy at all on openid.net's front page, which I find distinctly worrying. No link to a 'privacy policy' is unusual nowadays. I don't know exactly, I never used this service, but on the site they say: Who Owns or Controls OpenID? OpenID has arisen from the open source community to solve the problems that could not be easily solved by other existing technologies. OpenID is a lightweight method of identifying individuals that uses the same technology framework that is used to identify websites. As such, OpenID is not owned by anyone, nor should it be. Today, anyone can choose to be an OpenID user or an OpenID Provider for free without having to register or be approved by any organization. The OpenID Foundation was formed to assist the open source model by providing a legal entity to be the steward for the community by providing needed infrastructure and generally helping to promote and support expanded adoption of OpenID. As Brad Fitzpatrick (the father of OpenID) said, Nobody should own this. Nobody's planning on making any money from this. The goal is to release every part of this under the most liberal licenses possible, so there's no money or licensing or registering required to play. It benefits the community as a whole if something like this exists, and we're all a part of the community. This statement continues to resonate today within the OpenID community. -- As to the actual subject, i really like the presentation of the site (actual full screenshots of themes and stuff is great!), and the fact that as a user i could do some feedback, or make my own contributions one day. That's fantastic! Thanks Dan Toma wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to automatically detect themes and allow
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
Hi all, I'm not sure if it could be a better choice than OpenID, but OAuthhttp://oauth.net/seems worth look at.. Thanks to Morlenxus for the great get-e (and easy_e17.sh!!) and to the new team from Exchange ! Let's connect E to the web ! 2008/7/22 Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Exchange - read the name! ;) Its not a one-way street You should be able to both download and upload. Its all about sharing. Plus, how are you going to rate things and add comments if you cannot authenticate? If you need to open a browser everytime, no one's gonna do it and that'll kill the community aspect. On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Sevcsik András [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest problem with OpenID is that its not very good for desktop apps. (it requires a browser and too many steps to allow apps to authenticate) So, any apps that would use the exchange API would suffer.. There is a public authentication system from google that's similar to openID but friendlier for desktop apps, and I would lean more towards this. Why would apps had to deal with authentication? Authentication is needed for contributing and commenting on stuff, which is done in the browser. Downloading stuff doesn't require authentication, and that's what desktop applications would do. Or am I wrong? However, this means everyone needs a google account, and looks like there are already concerns about privacy from google. Let me know if there are any other authentication systems worth looking into. Otherwise, we can come up with an ultrasimple system of our own (or use Exchange's!) On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Ethan Grammatikidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:12:02 +0200 (CEST), Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dan Kronstal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems like a really nice addition to the site, and a little more cohesive than a separate site for themes and such, but as a general comment on the e.org site it seems that it might be better to have a unified account system. i have separate accounts for wiki.e.org, forum.e.org, and now exchange.e.org? surely there's a better way... You're forgetting bugzilla trac ...and forgetting also the users map! Yes it's crazy to have all this account verification system, I think the only reasonable solution is the use of openid.net (like every site should do) in every service we have. We do want to integrate them all so there's a single sign-on, but because they are all separate systems, this might be a lot of work.. Any volunteers? I could change the login system of the user map to openid Dave How trustworthy is openid? I see they are linked to AOL and Yahoo, who might not be as well-known for data collection as Google, but I would be greatly surprised if those services don't collect user data. I also wouldn't believe what I hear. Much the same goes for other companies in their list. AFAIK data collection on customers/users is normal for corporations today, unless stated otherwise in legally-binding terms. There is no mention of privacy at all on openid.net's front page, which I find distinctly worrying. No link to a 'privacy policy' is unusual nowadays. I don't know exactly, I never used this service, but on the site they say: Who Owns or Controls OpenID? OpenID has arisen from the open source community to solve the problems that could not be easily solved by other existing technologies. OpenID is a lightweight method of identifying individuals that uses the same technology framework that is used to identify websites. As such, OpenID is not owned by anyone, nor should it be. Today, anyone can choose to be an OpenID user or an OpenID Provider for free without having to register or be approved by any organization. The OpenID Foundation was formed to assist the open source model by providing a legal entity to be the steward for the community by providing needed infrastructure and generally helping to promote and support expanded adoption of OpenID. As Brad Fitzpatrick (the father of OpenID) said, Nobody should own this. Nobody's planning on making any money from this. The goal is to release every part of this under the most liberal licenses possible, so there's no money or licensing or registering required to play. It benefits the community as a whole if something like this exists, and we're all a part of the community. This statement continues to resonate today within the OpenID
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:06:16 +0200 (CEST), Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - Ethan Grammatikidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:12:02 +0200 (CEST), Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dan Kronstal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems like a really nice addition to the site, and a little more cohesive than a separate site for themes and such, but as a general comment on the e.org site it seems that it might be better to have a unified account system. i have separate accounts for wiki.e.org, forum.e.org, and now exchange.e.org? surely there's a better way... You're forgetting bugzilla trac ...and forgetting also the users map! Yes it's crazy to have all this account verification system, I think the only reasonable solution is the use of openid.net (like every site should do) in every service we have. We do want to integrate them all so there's a single sign-on, but because they are all separate systems, this might be a lot of work.. Any volunteers? I could change the login system of the user map to openid Dave How trustworthy is openid? I see they are linked to AOL and Yahoo, who might not be as well-known for data collection as Google, but I would be greatly surprised if those services don't collect user data. I also wouldn't believe what I hear. Much the same goes for other companies in their list. AFAIK data collection on customers/users is normal for corporations today, unless stated otherwise in legally-binding terms. There is no mention of privacy at all on openid.net's front page, which I find distinctly worrying. No link to a 'privacy policy' is unusual nowadays. I don't know exactly, I never used this service, but on the site they say: Who Owns or Controls OpenID? OpenID has arisen from the open source community to solve the problems that could not be easily solved by other existing technologies. OpenID is a lightweight method of identifying individuals that uses the same technology framework that is used to identify websites. As such, OpenID is not owned by anyone, nor should it be. Today, anyone can choose to be an OpenID user or an OpenID Provider for free without having to register or be approved by any organization. The OpenID Foundation was formed to assist the open source model by providing a legal entity to be the steward for the community by providing needed infrastructure and generally helping to promote and support expanded adoption of OpenID. As Brad Fitzpatrick (the father of OpenID) said, #8220;Nobody should own this. Nobody#8217;s planning on making any money from this. The goal is to release every part of this under the most liberal licenses possible, so there#8217;s no money or licensing or registering required to play. It benefits the community as a whole if something like this exists, and we#8217;re all a part of the community.#8221; This statement continues to resonate today within the OpenID community. -- Well that certainly looks noble. Perhaps I'm a little paranoid to still be worrying about it, but I couldn't possibly consider all the implications now, and might not have the energy to do so for a couple of months. I would feel safer if openid wasn't the only login method. :) As to the actual subject, i really like the presentation of the site (actual full screenshots of themes and stuff is great!), and the fact that as a user i could do some feedback, or make my own contributions one day. That's fantastic! Thanks Dan Toma wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to automatically detect themes and allow users to find themes for exactly what they want to theme. Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps. We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show some appreciation for all your hard effort! For those that want to develop apps that
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
I don't know if I'm missing the point here, but it sounds like OpenID is redundant. What we've got here is three subdomains with three logins/accounts when they could all be using one instead. bugtracker/trac are their own sites with their own thing going on and that's fine, unless you want fancy integration. Really I just think that *.e.org should have a single login (maybe managed/admind from users.e.org? :D), so that when i log into the wiki i don't have to log in again when i hit the forum or exchange. This isn't a lot of work - it's less! Just point at one user database. On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:06:16 +0200 (CEST), Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - Ethan Grammatikidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:12:02 +0200 (CEST), Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dan Kronstal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems like a really nice addition to the site, and a little more cohesive than a separate site for themes and such, but as a general comment on the e.org site it seems that it might be better to have a unified account system. i have separate accounts for wiki.e.org, forum.e.org, and now exchange.e.org? surely there's a better way... You're forgetting bugzilla trac ...and forgetting also the users map! Yes it's crazy to have all this account verification system, I think the only reasonable solution is the use of openid.net (like every site should do) in every service we have. We do want to integrate them all so there's a single sign-on, but because they are all separate systems, this might be a lot of work.. Any volunteers? I could change the login system of the user map to openid Dave How trustworthy is openid? I see they are linked to AOL and Yahoo, who might not be as well-known for data collection as Google, but I would be greatly surprised if those services don't collect user data. I also wouldn't believe what I hear. Much the same goes for other companies in their list. AFAIK data collection on customers/users is normal for corporations today, unless stated otherwise in legally-binding terms. There is no mention of privacy at all on openid.net's front page, which I find distinctly worrying. No link to a 'privacy policy' is unusual nowadays. I don't know exactly, I never used this service, but on the site they say: Who Owns or Controls OpenID? OpenID has arisen from the open source community to solve the problems that could not be easily solved by other existing technologies. OpenID is a lightweight method of identifying individuals that uses the same technology framework that is used to identify websites. As such, OpenID is not owned by anyone, nor should it be. Today, anyone can choose to be an OpenID user or an OpenID Provider for free without having to register or be approved by any organization. The OpenID Foundation was formed to assist the open source model by providing a legal entity to be the steward for the community by providing needed infrastructure and generally helping to promote and support expanded adoption of OpenID. As Brad Fitzpatrick (the father of OpenID) said, #8220;Nobody should own this. Nobody#8217;s planning on making any money from this. The goal is to release every part of this under the most liberal licenses possible, so there#8217;s no money or licensing or registering required to play. It benefits the community as a whole if something like this exists, and we#8217;re all a part of the community.#8221; This statement continues to resonate today within the OpenID community. -- Well that certainly looks noble. Perhaps I'm a little paranoid to still be worrying about it, but I couldn't possibly consider all the implications now, and might not have the energy to do so for a couple of months. I would feel safer if openid wasn't the only login method. :) As to the actual subject, i really like the presentation of the site (actual full screenshots of themes and stuff is great!), and the fact that as a user i could do some feedback, or make my own contributions one day. That's fantastic! Thanks Dan Toma wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, and therefore takes
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
On 22-Jul-08, at 3:58 PM, Dan Kronstal wrote: I don't know if I'm missing the point here, but it sounds like OpenID is redundant. What we've got here is three subdomains with three logins/accounts when they could all be using one instead. bugtracker/ trac are their own sites with their own thing going on and that's fine, unless you want fancy integration. Really I just think that *.e.org should have a single login (maybe managed/admind from users.e.org? :D), so that when i log into the wiki i don't have to log in again when i hit the forum or exchange. This isn't a lot of work - it's less! Just point at one user database. Actually, it is a lot of work. You have to integrate your login system with MediaWiki, Vanilla Forums, Trac, Bugzilla, Exchange and whatever else we have running. We didn't write any of those systems and they involve several languages and databases. We'd have to write the integrated database stuff for them. If they have plugins to support it we'd be fine (which they may have for openid or whatever) but doing it ourselves is a lot of work. dan - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
