Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 05:39:52 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I should add that I hope you suceed with this effort, one way or another. An edje-editor is a very important thing to have, and should be a top priority for an efl based project. I'm curious though.. What do other 'WYSIWYG' editors that deal with similar doc based things do? eg, those that deal with html (svg, mxml, xaml, xul, ... ??). There aren't too many html rendering libs around, do they allow for direct editing of displayed content too? Or do the editors create small doc pieces which get reloaded.. or what? Does anyone have any knowledge or insight into what WYSIWYG editors for things like html (or flash, or MS-Silverlight, ...) do? Obviously you're going to end up having to work with the format's structure as well, but what about the real-time display part? most of them re-invent a display engine or they literally use an existing display engine and feed in the data raw from the source format (ie they write a new .html file or whatever then re-load it). manipulating data from a file live in-ram sanely in a n editable way as WELL as making that library fast for normal display purposes (and efficient) is very rare. its mostly hard/impossible as an editor needs features an information that runtim doesnt need. runtime plays a big price if you keep this around for the runtime lib/implementation just for the editor's sake. so invariably needs for editing and for runtime get split. :( _ Click here to find all of your computer accessories for less! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m9eNpt71hQUvvInBAQPYjMTGT71CbtPJkxUnejLeAVYAYas/ - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
On Friday, 04 January 2008, at 00:01:32 (+), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you just do this or have you had this before? Very nice. It's been around since 2000. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- You're just an empty cage, girl, if you kill the bird. -- Tori Amos, Crucify - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
On Friday, 07 December 2007, at 07:49:35 (+), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cvs, svn, git, twit,... It's all weird mojo. Maybe Michael could write an eterm 'module' of some sort that would feature nice, friendly, easily understood commands for interfacing with any of these - ones where it doesn't matter which one is really being used. http://beta.kainx.org/wiki/view/Mezzanine CVS works, SVN is about 95% working in the 1.9 tree, and others will come later. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well with brie. -- Unknown - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: On Friday, 07 December 2007, at 07:49:35 (+), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cvs, svn, git, twit,... It's all weird mojo. Maybe Michael could write an eterm 'module' of some sort that would feature nice, friendly, easily understood commands for interfacing with any of these - ones where it doesn't matter which one is really being used. http://beta.kainx.org/wiki/view/Mezzanine CVS works, SVN is about 95% working in the 1.9 tree, and others will come later. there exists also moap, that can help you for some tasks: https://thomas.apestaart.org/moap/trac Vincent - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
Cvs, svn, git, twit,... It's all weird mojo. Maybe Michael could write an eterm 'module' of some sort that would feature nice, friendly, easily understood commands for interfacing with any of these - ones where it doesn't matter which one is really being used. http://beta.kainx.org/wiki/view/Mezzanine CVS works, SVN is about 95% working in the 1.9 tree, and others will come later. Michael Did you just do this or have you had this before? Very nice. But what's that other stuff on your 'wiki' about eterm's future and some unresolved childhood issues? :) _ Not having a degree dragging you down?? Click here for free information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nNfabty0xlQaINh8KTfmzQUYqm9CiqfZgaw9CtfhJyjO7W4/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave wrote: Hi all, Just two words to make you inform the new edje_editor status. I have now reach a first stable version of the patch to edje (bugzilla #294). In my opinion this version is ready to be committed to the edje cvs, but I didn't get any devs opinion At this point, since you're starting to dwelve further and further into things, you'd likely want edje's maintainer to give feedback - and that would be Carsten.. who seems to be very busy at the moment. Fwiw, raster is temporarily without internet access, but I expect him to get that solved within a few days. Maybe you could take a tentative look into what issues you might run into as you try and advance things further? eg, what happens if you try to implement adding/removing parts, what happens if you try to implement editing an animated edje (tweened images or whatnot), what do you do about transitions, programs, etc, etc. Yeah, that'd be very interesting. Regards, :M: -- Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
Michael Jennings ha scritto: On Friday, 07 December 2007, at 09:13:38 (+0200), Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: he have to cvs add it, not available in some cases (anoncvs). He's a developer. He doesn't use anoncvs. Also, having an weird interface that nobody uses it make it suck, see? Sorry, but there's nothing weird about diff -Nu since it's exactly the same options normal diff takes. And it's perfectly reasonable that the file has to be added; otherwise, there's no way to tell new files from extraneous ones. Michael Yes, I just cvs add the 2 files and then made the patch without committing. Thanks all. Dave - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Dave wrote: Hi all, Just two words to make you inform the new edje_editor status. I have now reach a first stable version of the patch to edje (bugzilla #294). In my opinion this version is ready to be committed to the edje cvs, but I didn't get any devs opinion :( At this point, since you're starting to dwelve further and further into things, you'd likely want edje's maintainer to give feedback - and that would be Carsten.. who seems to be very busy at the moment. Tilman and Brian Mattern might also be able to help, though Brian is likely too busy with his physics studies. I don't think any 'issues' with your work would be ones of people thinking that the code might not be 'good enough' or whatnot, but rather wether it should be part of edje, or wether it might have problems being completed satisfactorily (due to edje internals being what they are), and those kinds of things. Maybe you could take a tentative look into what issues you might run into as you try and advance things further? eg, what happens if you try to implement adding/removing parts, what happens if you try to implement editing an animated edje (tweened images or whatnot), what do you do about transitions, programs, etc, etc. jose. I'm now started to work on tween animation (and so with programs)... and the next thing will be add and removing parts. I can't know the issue until I get into ;) But I'm thinking on a system to stop (while editing) and then unpause the edje. This is the way flash do (I don't know about other). But I have to go further to tell more. Dave _ Click here for free information on how to become certified as a project management professional. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oHL9blk6iCm4AHbsWPGuBxwWRbzYSujWrgU59LEik6nEIa8/ - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
Dr. Michael 'Mickey' Lauer ha scritto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave wrote: Hi all, Just two words to make you inform the new edje_editor status. I have now reach a first stable version of the patch to edje (bugzilla #294). In my opinion this version is ready to be committed to the edje cvs, but I didn't get any devs opinion At this point, since you're starting to dwelve further and further into things, you'd likely want edje's maintainer to give feedback - and that would be Carsten.. who seems to be very busy at the moment. Fwiw, raster is temporarily without internet access, but I expect him to get that solved within a few days. ok, thanks Maybe you could take a tentative look into what issues you might run into as you try and advance things further? eg, what happens if you try to implement adding/removing parts, what happens if you try to implement editing an animated edje (tweened images or whatnot), what do you do about transitions, programs, etc, etc. Yeah, that'd be very interesting. Regards, :M: - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
I should add that I hope you suceed with this effort, one way or another. An edje-editor is a very important thing to have, and should be a top priority for an efl based project. I'm curious though.. What do other 'WYSIWYG' editors that deal with similar doc based things do? eg, those that deal with html (svg, mxml, xaml, xul, ... ??). There aren't too many html rendering libs around, do they allow for direct editing of displayed content too? Or do the editors create small doc pieces which get reloaded.. or what? Does anyone have any knowledge or insight into what WYSIWYG editors for things like html (or flash, or MS-Silverlight, ...) do? Obviously you're going to end up having to work with the format's structure as well, but what about the real-time display part? _ Click here to find all of your computer accessories for less! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m9eNpt71hQUvvInBAQPYjMTGT71CbtPJkxUnejLeAVYAYas/ - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
Dave wrote: Hi all, Just two words to make you inform the new edje_editor status. I have now reach a first stable version of the patch to edje (bugzilla #294). In my opinion this version is ready to be committed to the edje cvs, but I didn't get any devs opinion :( At this point, since you're starting to dwelve further and further into things, you'd likely want edje's maintainer to give feedback - and that would be Carsten.. who seems to be very busy at the moment. Tilman and Brian Mattern might also be able to help, though Brian is likely too busy with his physics studies. I don't think any 'issues' with your work would be ones of people thinking that the code might not be 'good enough' or whatnot, but rather wether it should be part of edje, or wether it might have problems being completed satisfactorily (due to edje internals being what they are), and those kinds of things. Maybe you could take a tentative look into what issues you might run into as you try and advance things further? eg, what happens if you try to implement adding/removing parts, what happens if you try to implement editing an animated edje (tweened images or whatnot), what do you do about transitions, programs, etc, etc. jose. _ Click here for free information on how to become certified as a project management professional. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oHL9blk6iCm4AHbsWPGuBxwWRbzYSujWrgU59LEik6nEIa8/ - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
On Friday, 07 December 2007, at 04:11:54 (+0200), Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: to avoid this copies, just diff -ur /dev/null your-new-file patch, CVS sucks, I know :-P cvs diff -Nu works just fine. Ignorance of CVS does not cause *it* to suck. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Shouldn't we help her find her way back to a place called home? Honey, she's wearing synthetic plaid. It's a four day drive and a boat trip to a place called home. -- Sean Hayes (Jack) and Megan Mullally (Karen), Will and Grace - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
On Friday, 07 December 2007, at 09:13:38 (+0200), Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: he have to cvs add it, not available in some cases (anoncvs). He's a developer. He doesn't use anoncvs. Also, having an weird interface that nobody uses it make it suck, see? Sorry, but there's nothing weird about diff -Nu since it's exactly the same options normal diff takes. And it's perfectly reasonable that the file has to be added; otherwise, there's no way to tell new files from extraneous ones. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I'm not talking about moving in, and I don't want to change your life. But there's a warm wind blowing, the stars are out, and I'd really love to see you tonight. -- England Dan and John Ford Coley - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
On Dec 7, 2007 5:27 AM, Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, 07 December 2007, at 04:11:54 (+0200), Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: to avoid this copies, just diff -ur /dev/null your-new-file patch, CVS sucks, I know :-P cvs diff -Nu works just fine. Ignorance of CVS does not cause *it* to suck. he have to cvs add it, not available in some cases (anoncvs). Also, having an weird interface that nobody uses it make it suck, see? -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 17249123 Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje Editor digest
he have to cvs add it, not available in some cases (anoncvs). He's a developer. He doesn't use anoncvs. Also, having an weird interface that nobody uses it make it suck, see? Sorry, but there's nothing weird about diff -Nu since it's exactly the same options normal diff takes. And it's perfectly reasonable that the file has to be added; otherwise, there's no way to tell new files from extraneous ones. Cvs, svn, git, twit,... It's all weird mojo. Maybe Michael could write an eterm 'module' of some sort that would feature nice, friendly, easily understood commands for interfacing with any of these - ones where it doesn't matter which one is really being used. Maybe an interactive kind of thing, so that you can get feedback if you don't know what you're doing: Hey moron, did you mean... :) _ Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m276DBT4SuNSXEx13DbvvquJJdd5LaYjKR5FAc2sAok347G/ - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
