Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[hannes.janet...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 12:47 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler  
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:26:15 +0200 Francois  said:
>>
>>>
>>> Jeremy Quandt >> >> 20problem>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I am using an Ubuntu 11.10 machine,
>>> > with the
>>> > ppa
>>> > https://launchpad.net/%7Ehannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn and I
>>> > work daily using Eclipse to code and I often have window focusing
>>> > problems. For
>>> > java I have setup to use Sun's java
>>> > (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java).
>>> >
>>> > I do have the GNOME Settings Daemon and a number of other Ubuntu stuff
>>> > launched
>>> > on startup, namely just to get the GTK windows looking right in
>>> > addition to the
>>> > network and proxy pieces working correctly. There is no ecomorph
>>> > running or
>>> > compiz. Mouse focus is set to click to focus.
>>> >
>>> > I really like e17, but the conflicts with Eclipse focusing is getting
>>> > harder to
>>> > accept. I haven't been able to fully list steps to reproduce yet, but
>>> > some of
>>> > the symptoms I have are as follows:
>>> >
>>> > 1.) Edit window looses focus (greyed out). If the text buffer has
>>> > changed it
>>> > won't allow me to save. File context "Save All" is also disallowed
>>> > even though
>>> > the buffer shows change. To save the file I have to close the tab for
>>> > the file,
>>> > which will then prompt me to save the file. I then have to dig through my
>>> > project to reopen the file.
>>> >
>>> > 2.) Select text in an editor for a file, find and Replace window (I
>>> > have mapped
>>> > to CTRL+F) when invoked will appear but the editor has lost focus so
>>> > the "Find"
>>> > button will be greyed out until the editor window is selected and the
>>> > Find &
>>> > Replace window is reselected.
>>> >
>>> > 3.) When debugging, the thread stack doesn't always allow switching a
>>> > thread
>>> > (seems to ignore the click).
>>> >
>>> > On a side note, Mono (debugger) also will crash when hovering over a
>>> > variable in
>>> > the watch window. A tooltip usually displays extended values of the
>>> > variable
>>> > (like a full string).
>>> >
>>> > Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will try to see if I can
>>> > get the
>>> > issue to be reproducible.
>>>
>>>
>>> For the record, I do experience similar problems, which disapear when I
>>> switch to Gnome, so it really seems to be a window manager problem.  The
>>> point 1) above is really annoying for me.
>>>
>>>   I use E17 from trunk with easy_e17.sh script on a Debian Sid machine,
>>> with an Eclipse 3.7.1 and a Java 7 (openJDK) JVM.
>>>
>>> I don't know how I could help solving these issues, but if I can help, I
>>> will be glad to.
>>
>> i'm going to give something very non-positive here now. look for mentions of
>> the word java in e17's src. and then look for the swear words right near it.
>> here is the reality of things:
>>
>> java's awt is built to emulate a windows style focus and behavior world.
>> having read some of its x11 layer code, it looks like it's written by some
>> junior programmer with little to no idea about x11. it tries make a x11+wm
>> world appear like the windows world. reality is that this is nigh impossible.
>> and doing so to work across wm's needs high levewls of skill, knowledge,
>> experience and needs care and effort. java has code (i've read it before)
>> SPECIFICALLY to detect a range of window managers and work around them, do
>> weird and wonderful things in each situation, and try all sorts of tricks to 
>> get
>> things to happen that it wants.
>>
>> fact is that java doesn't respect icccm/netwm/x11 correctly and does hacks to
>> get its "write once, run anywhere" to work. i gave up working around java a
>> long time ago. i'm down to not really caring anymore as i've sunk 100's of
>> hours of trying to find "bugs" in e only to find it's java being a "dick". i
>> have little patience or time to bother anymore.
>>
>> patches (that don't totally screw e17's src) accepted. :)
>>
>
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59639
>
> seems like a eclipse bug with focus-window-under-mouse, should work
> when setting e's window focus to click-to-focus. I'm also currently
> not in the mood to fix this. But maybe I'll look after it some day.
>
I meant 'work around this'... I guess a 'focus mode toggle' button
gadget would be the best solution

> Regards,
> Hannes
>
>> --
>> - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --
>> The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    ras...@rasterman.com
>>
>>
>> --
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>

Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[The Rasterman]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:47:01 +0200 "hannes.janet...@gmail.com"
 said:

> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:26:15 +0200 Francois  said:
> >
> >>
> >> Jeremy Quandt  >>  >> 20focus%
> >> 20problem>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I am using an Ubuntu 11.10 machine,
> >> > with the
> >> > ppa
> >> > https://launchpad.net/%7Ehannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn and I
> >> > work daily using Eclipse to code and I often have window focusing
> >> > problems. For
> >> > java I have setup to use Sun's java
> >> > (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java).
> >> >
> >> > I do have the GNOME Settings Daemon and a number of other Ubuntu stuff
> >> > launched
> >> > on startup, namely just to get the GTK windows looking right in
> >> > addition to the
> >> > network and proxy pieces working correctly. There is no ecomorph
> >> > running or
> >> > compiz. Mouse focus is set to click to focus.
> >> >
> >> > I really like e17, but the conflicts with Eclipse focusing is getting
> >> > harder to
> >> > accept. I haven't been able to fully list steps to reproduce yet, but
> >> > some of
> >> > the symptoms I have are as follows:
> >> >
> >> > 1.) Edit window looses focus (greyed out). If the text buffer has
> >> > changed it
> >> > won't allow me to save. File context "Save All" is also disallowed
> >> > even though
> >> > the buffer shows change. To save the file I have to close the tab for
> >> > the file,
> >> > which will then prompt me to save the file. I then have to dig through my
> >> > project to reopen the file.
> >> >
> >> > 2.) Select text in an editor for a file, find and Replace window (I
> >> > have mapped
> >> > to CTRL+F) when invoked will appear but the editor has lost focus so
> >> > the "Find"
> >> > button will be greyed out until the editor window is selected and the
> >> > Find &
> >> > Replace window is reselected.
> >> >
> >> > 3.) When debugging, the thread stack doesn't always allow switching a
> >> > thread
> >> > (seems to ignore the click).
> >> >
> >> > On a side note, Mono (debugger) also will crash when hovering over a
> >> > variable in
> >> > the watch window. A tooltip usually displays extended values of the
> >> > variable
> >> > (like a full string).
> >> >
> >> > Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will try to see if I can
> >> > get the
> >> > issue to be reproducible.
> >>
> >>
> >> For the record, I do experience similar problems, which disapear when I
> >> switch to Gnome, so it really seems to be a window manager problem.  The
> >> point 1) above is really annoying for me.
> >>
> >>   I use E17 from trunk with easy_e17.sh script on a Debian Sid machine,
> >> with an Eclipse 3.7.1 and a Java 7 (openJDK) JVM.
> >>
> >> I don't know how I could help solving these issues, but if I can help, I
> >> will be glad to.
> >
> > i'm going to give something very non-positive here now. look for mentions of
> > the word java in e17's src. and then look for the swear words right near it.
> > here is the reality of things:
> >
> > java's awt is built to emulate a windows style focus and behavior world.
> > having read some of its x11 layer code, it looks like it's written by some
> > junior programmer with little to no idea about x11. it tries make a x11+wm
> > world appear like the windows world. reality is that this is nigh
> > impossible. and doing so to work across wm's needs high levewls of skill,
> > knowledge, experience and needs care and effort. java has code (i've read
> > it before) SPECIFICALLY to detect a range of window managers and work
> > around them, do weird and wonderful things in each situation, and try all
> > sorts of tricks to get things to happen that it wants.
> >
> > fact is that java doesn't respect icccm/netwm/x11 correctly and does hacks
> > to get its "write once, run anywhere" to work. i gave up working around
> > java a long time ago. i'm down to not really caring anymore as i've sunk
> > 100's of hours of trying to find "bugs" in e only to find it's java being a
> > "dick". i have little patience or time to bother anymore.
> >
> > patches (that don't totally screw e17's src) accepted. :)
> >
> 
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59639
> 
> seems like a eclipse bug with focus-window-under-mouse, should work
> when setting e's window focus to click-to-focus. I'm also currently
> not in the mood to fix this. But maybe I'll look after it some day.

invariably that's one of those bugs that assumes windows (or mac)
click-to-focus as thats the "only way" there, unlike x11 where it varies a lot
(yes i know that it is possible to modify this under windows to an extent - but
almost no one does). :)

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Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[Bo Fussing]

Perhaps there is difference between "Click to Focus" and "Windows under 
Mouse" focus related to Eclipse. I specifically use Hanne's excellent 
Enlightenment PPA on Ubuntu 11.10 as focus issues with Eclipse under 
Unity (amongst other irritants) were driving me crazy. I use Eclipse a 
lot along with many applications simultaneously open which Unity does 
not handle well IMHO.

Using the default "Windows under Mouse" focus with E17 I have had no 
such problems.

Regards,
Bo

On 22/04/12 18:47, hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler  
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:26:15 +0200 Francois  said:
>>
>>> Jeremy Quandt>> >> 20problem>>  wrote:
 I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I am using an Ubuntu 11.10 machine,
 with the
 ppa
 https://launchpad.net/%7Ehannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn and I
 work daily using Eclipse to code and I often have window focusing
 problems. For
 java I have setup to use Sun's java
 (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java).

 I do have the GNOME Settings Daemon and a number of other Ubuntu stuff
 launched
 on startup, namely just to get the GTK windows looking right in
 addition to the
 network and proxy pieces working correctly. There is no ecomorph
 running or
 compiz. Mouse focus is set to click to focus.

 I really like e17, but the conflicts with Eclipse focusing is getting
 harder to
 accept. I haven't been able to fully list steps to reproduce yet, but
 some of
 the symptoms I have are as follows:

 1.) Edit window looses focus (greyed out). If the text buffer has
 changed it
 won't allow me to save. File context "Save All" is also disallowed
 even though
 the buffer shows change. To save the file I have to close the tab for
 the file,
 which will then prompt me to save the file. I then have to dig through my
 project to reopen the file.

 2.) Select text in an editor for a file, find and Replace window (I
 have mapped
 to CTRL+F) when invoked will appear but the editor has lost focus so
 the "Find"
 button will be greyed out until the editor window is selected and the
 Find&
 Replace window is reselected.

 3.) When debugging, the thread stack doesn't always allow switching a
 thread
 (seems to ignore the click).

 On a side note, Mono (debugger) also will crash when hovering over a
 variable in
 the watch window. A tooltip usually displays extended values of the
 variable
 (like a full string).

 Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will try to see if I can
 get the
 issue to be reproducible.
>>>
>>> For the record, I do experience similar problems, which disapear when I
>>> switch to Gnome, so it really seems to be a window manager problem.  The
>>> point 1) above is really annoying for me.
>>>
>>>I use E17 from trunk with easy_e17.sh script on a Debian Sid machine,
>>> with an Eclipse 3.7.1 and a Java 7 (openJDK) JVM.
>>>
>>> I don't know how I could help solving these issues, but if I can help, I
>>> will be glad to.
>> i'm going to give something very non-positive here now. look for mentions of
>> the word java in e17's src. and then look for the swear words right near it.
>> here is the reality of things:
>>
>> java's awt is built to emulate a windows style focus and behavior world.
>> having read some of its x11 layer code, it looks like it's written by some
>> junior programmer with little to no idea about x11. it tries make a x11+wm
>> world appear like the windows world. reality is that this is nigh impossible.
>> and doing so to work across wm's needs high levewls of skill, knowledge,
>> experience and needs care and effort. java has code (i've read it before)
>> SPECIFICALLY to detect a range of window managers and work around them, do
>> weird and wonderful things in each situation, and try all sorts of tricks to 
>> get
>> things to happen that it wants.
>>
>> fact is that java doesn't respect icccm/netwm/x11 correctly and does hacks to
>> get its "write once, run anywhere" to work. i gave up working around java a
>> long time ago. i'm down to not really caring anymore as i've sunk 100's of
>> hours of trying to find "bugs" in e only to find it's java being a "dick". i
>> have little patience or time to bother anymore.
>>
>> patches (that don't totally screw e17's src) accepted. :)
>>
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59639
>
> seems like a eclipse bug with focus-window-under-mouse, should work
> when setting e's window focus to click-to-focus. I'm also currently
> not in the mood to fix this. But maybe I'll look after it some day.
>
> Regards,
> Hannes
>
>> --
>> - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --
>> The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com
>>
>>

Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[hannes.janet...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler  wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:26:15 +0200 Francois  said:
>
>>
>> Jeremy Quandt > > 20problem>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I am using an Ubuntu 11.10 machine,
>> > with the
>> > ppa
>> > https://launchpad.net/%7Ehannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn and I
>> > work daily using Eclipse to code and I often have window focusing
>> > problems. For
>> > java I have setup to use Sun's java
>> > (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java).
>> >
>> > I do have the GNOME Settings Daemon and a number of other Ubuntu stuff
>> > launched
>> > on startup, namely just to get the GTK windows looking right in
>> > addition to the
>> > network and proxy pieces working correctly. There is no ecomorph
>> > running or
>> > compiz. Mouse focus is set to click to focus.
>> >
>> > I really like e17, but the conflicts with Eclipse focusing is getting
>> > harder to
>> > accept. I haven't been able to fully list steps to reproduce yet, but
>> > some of
>> > the symptoms I have are as follows:
>> >
>> > 1.) Edit window looses focus (greyed out). If the text buffer has
>> > changed it
>> > won't allow me to save. File context "Save All" is also disallowed
>> > even though
>> > the buffer shows change. To save the file I have to close the tab for
>> > the file,
>> > which will then prompt me to save the file. I then have to dig through my
>> > project to reopen the file.
>> >
>> > 2.) Select text in an editor for a file, find and Replace window (I
>> > have mapped
>> > to CTRL+F) when invoked will appear but the editor has lost focus so
>> > the "Find"
>> > button will be greyed out until the editor window is selected and the
>> > Find &
>> > Replace window is reselected.
>> >
>> > 3.) When debugging, the thread stack doesn't always allow switching a
>> > thread
>> > (seems to ignore the click).
>> >
>> > On a side note, Mono (debugger) also will crash when hovering over a
>> > variable in
>> > the watch window. A tooltip usually displays extended values of the
>> > variable
>> > (like a full string).
>> >
>> > Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will try to see if I can
>> > get the
>> > issue to be reproducible.
>>
>>
>> For the record, I do experience similar problems, which disapear when I
>> switch to Gnome, so it really seems to be a window manager problem.  The
>> point 1) above is really annoying for me.
>>
>>   I use E17 from trunk with easy_e17.sh script on a Debian Sid machine,
>> with an Eclipse 3.7.1 and a Java 7 (openJDK) JVM.
>>
>> I don't know how I could help solving these issues, but if I can help, I
>> will be glad to.
>
> i'm going to give something very non-positive here now. look for mentions of
> the word java in e17's src. and then look for the swear words right near it.
> here is the reality of things:
>
> java's awt is built to emulate a windows style focus and behavior world.
> having read some of its x11 layer code, it looks like it's written by some
> junior programmer with little to no idea about x11. it tries make a x11+wm
> world appear like the windows world. reality is that this is nigh impossible.
> and doing so to work across wm's needs high levewls of skill, knowledge,
> experience and needs care and effort. java has code (i've read it before)
> SPECIFICALLY to detect a range of window managers and work around them, do
> weird and wonderful things in each situation, and try all sorts of tricks to 
> get
> things to happen that it wants.
>
> fact is that java doesn't respect icccm/netwm/x11 correctly and does hacks to
> get its "write once, run anywhere" to work. i gave up working around java a
> long time ago. i'm down to not really caring anymore as i've sunk 100's of
> hours of trying to find "bugs" in e only to find it's java being a "dick". i
> have little patience or time to bother anymore.
>
> patches (that don't totally screw e17's src) accepted. :)
>

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59639

seems like a eclipse bug with focus-window-under-mouse, should work
when setting e's window focus to click-to-focus. I'm also currently
not in the mood to fix this. But maybe I'll look after it some day.

Regards,
Hannes

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>
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Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[The Rasterman]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:26:15 +0200 Francois  said:

> 
> Jeremy Quandt   20problem>> wrote:
> >
> > I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I am using an Ubuntu 11.10 machine, 
> > with the
> > ppa 
> > https://launchpad.net/%7Ehannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn and I
> > work daily using Eclipse to code and I often have window focusing 
> > problems. For
> > java I have setup to use Sun's java 
> > (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java).
> >
> > I do have the GNOME Settings Daemon and a number of other Ubuntu stuff 
> > launched
> > on startup, namely just to get the GTK windows looking right in 
> > addition to the
> > network and proxy pieces working correctly. There is no ecomorph 
> > running or
> > compiz. Mouse focus is set to click to focus.
> >
> > I really like e17, but the conflicts with Eclipse focusing is getting 
> > harder to
> > accept. I haven't been able to fully list steps to reproduce yet, but 
> > some of
> > the symptoms I have are as follows:
> >
> > 1.) Edit window looses focus (greyed out). If the text buffer has 
> > changed it
> > won't allow me to save. File context "Save All" is also disallowed 
> > even though
> > the buffer shows change. To save the file I have to close the tab for 
> > the file,
> > which will then prompt me to save the file. I then have to dig through my
> > project to reopen the file.
> >
> > 2.) Select text in an editor for a file, find and Replace window (I 
> > have mapped
> > to CTRL+F) when invoked will appear but the editor has lost focus so 
> > the "Find"
> > button will be greyed out until the editor window is selected and the 
> > Find &
> > Replace window is reselected.
> >
> > 3.) When debugging, the thread stack doesn't always allow switching a 
> > thread
> > (seems to ignore the click).
> >
> > On a side note, Mono (debugger) also will crash when hovering over a 
> > variable in
> > the watch window. A tooltip usually displays extended values of the 
> > variable
> > (like a full string).
> >
> > Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will try to see if I can 
> > get the
> > issue to be reproducible. 
> 
> 
> For the record, I do experience similar problems, which disapear when I 
> switch to Gnome, so it really seems to be a window manager problem.  The 
> point 1) above is really annoying for me.
> 
>   I use E17 from trunk with easy_e17.sh script on a Debian Sid machine, 
> with an Eclipse 3.7.1 and a Java 7 (openJDK) JVM.
> 
> I don't know how I could help solving these issues, but if I can help, I 
> will be glad to.

i'm going to give something very non-positive here now. look for mentions of
the word java in e17's src. and then look for the swear words right near it.
here is the reality of things:

java's awt is built to emulate a windows style focus and behavior world.
having read some of its x11 layer code, it looks like it's written by some
junior programmer with little to no idea about x11. it tries make a x11+wm
world appear like the windows world. reality is that this is nigh impossible.
and doing so to work across wm's needs high levewls of skill, knowledge,
experience and needs care and effort. java has code (i've read it before)
SPECIFICALLY to detect a range of window managers and work around them, do
weird and wonderful things in each situation, and try all sorts of tricks to get
things to happen that it wants.

fact is that java doesn't respect icccm/netwm/x11 correctly and does hacks to
get its "write once, run anywhere" to work. i gave up working around java a
long time ago. i'm down to not really caring anymore as i've sunk 100's of
hours of trying to find "bugs" in e only to find it's java being a "dick". i
have little patience or time to bother anymore.

patches (that don't totally screw e17's src) accepted. :)

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Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[Francois]

Jeremy Quandt mailto:quand...@hotmail.com?Subject=Re:%20%20e17%20and%20eclipse%20-%20focus%20problem>>
 
wrote:
>
> I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I am using an Ubuntu 11.10 machine, 
> with the
> ppa 
> https://launchpad.net/%7Ehannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn and I
> work daily using Eclipse to code and I often have window focusing 
> problems. For
> java I have setup to use Sun's java 
> (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java).
>
> I do have the GNOME Settings Daemon and a number of other Ubuntu stuff 
> launched
> on startup, namely just to get the GTK windows looking right in 
> addition to the
> network and proxy pieces working correctly. There is no ecomorph 
> running or
> compiz. Mouse focus is set to click to focus.
>
> I really like e17, but the conflicts with Eclipse focusing is getting 
> harder to
> accept. I haven't been able to fully list steps to reproduce yet, but 
> some of
> the symptoms I have are as follows:
>
> 1.) Edit window looses focus (greyed out). If the text buffer has 
> changed it
> won't allow me to save. File context "Save All" is also disallowed 
> even though
> the buffer shows change. To save the file I have to close the tab for 
> the file,
> which will then prompt me to save the file. I then have to dig through my
> project to reopen the file.
>
> 2.) Select text in an editor for a file, find and Replace window (I 
> have mapped
> to CTRL+F) when invoked will appear but the editor has lost focus so 
> the "Find"
> button will be greyed out until the editor window is selected and the 
> Find &
> Replace window is reselected.
>
> 3.) When debugging, the thread stack doesn't always allow switching a 
> thread
> (seems to ignore the click).
>
> On a side note, Mono (debugger) also will crash when hovering over a 
> variable in
> the watch window. A tooltip usually displays extended values of the 
> variable
> (like a full string).
>
> Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will try to see if I can 
> get the
> issue to be reproducible. 


For the record, I do experience similar problems, which disapear when I 
switch to Gnome, so it really seems to be a window manager problem.  The 
point 1) above is really annoying for me.

  I use E17 from trunk with easy_e17.sh script on a Debian Sid machine, 
with an Eclipse 3.7.1 and a Java 7 (openJDK) JVM.

I don't know how I could help solving these issues, but if I can help, I 
will be glad to.

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Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[Jeremy Quandt]

I just wanted to add my 2 cents.  I am using an Ubuntu 11.10 machine, with the
ppa https://launchpad.net/%7Ehannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn and I
work daily using Eclipse to code and I often have window focusing problems.  For
java I have setup to use Sun's java (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java).

I do have the GNOME Settings Daemon and a number of other Ubuntu stuff launched
on startup, namely just to get the GTK windows looking right in addition to the
network and proxy pieces working correctly.  There is no ecomorph running or
compiz.  Mouse focus is set to click to focus.

I really like e17, but the conflicts with Eclipse focusing is getting harder to
accept.  I haven't been able to fully list steps to reproduce yet, but some of
the symptoms I have are as follows:

1.) Edit window looses focus (greyed out).  If the text buffer has changed it
won't allow me to save.  File context "Save All" is also disallowed even though
the buffer shows change.  To save the file I have to close the tab for the file,
which will then prompt me to save the file.  I then have to dig through my
project to reopen the file.

2.) Select text in an editor for a file, find and Replace window (I have mapped
to CTRL+F) when invoked will appear but the editor has lost focus so the "Find"
button will be greyed out until the editor window is selected and the Find &
Replace window is reselected.

3.)  When debugging, the thread stack doesn't always allow switching a thread
(seems to ignore the click).

On a side note, Mono (debugger) also will crash when hovering over a variable in
the watch window.  A tooltip usually displays extended values of the variable
(like a full string).

Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will try to see if I can get the
issue to be reproducible.


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Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[Austin Morgan]

As I can not find the focus settings. I am going to assume that I have
the defaults. My focus currently follows my mouse, and requires me to
click on the title bar to change z ordering. I do not use Compiz,
Sawfish or LG3D.

Austin Morgan

On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 05:49:10PM +0100, Mehturt wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Austin Morgan
>  wrote:
> > I am running e17 on gentoo with eclipse indigo rc1 and not seeing this 
> > issue.
> 
> That is strange, are you using any non-default focus settings in e17?
> My problem is that after 1st quick-fix the focus does not return to
> the editor, e.g. if the quick-fix adds an import, I cannot save the
> change (via ctrl+s or clicking on the save icon), it's greyed-out.
> In the meantime I also tried to set wm name (via wmname utility) to
> either Compiz, Sawfish or LG3D prior to running eclipse, but the
> behavior is the same.
> m.
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Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[Mehturt]

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Austin Morgan
 wrote:
> I am running e17 on gentoo with eclipse indigo rc1 and not seeing this issue.

That is strange, are you using any non-default focus settings in e17?
My problem is that after 1st quick-fix the focus does not return to
the editor, e.g. if the quick-fix adds an import, I cannot save the
change (via ctrl+s or clicking on the save icon), it's greyed-out.
In the meantime I also tried to set wm name (via wmname utility) to
either Compiz, Sawfish or LG3D prior to running eclipse, but the
behavior is the same.
m.

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Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[Austin Morgan]

I am running e17 on gentoo with eclipse indigo rc1 and not seeing this issue.

Austin

- Reply message -
From: "Mehturt" 
To: 
Subject: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem
Date: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:36 am


Hi everyone,
I am using Eclipse 3.7.1 with E17 (rev 67696) on Debian and I am
having strange focus issues with quickfix window.
Suppose there are 2 errors in the code which I need to quick fix; I
position mouse over 1st error, quickfix window appears, I select the
fix, so far so good.
I position mouse over 2nd error, quickfix window appears but when I
try to select the fix, the window disappears.  The workaround is to
switch to another window (using alt+tab) and back, then the quickfix
works again.
Is this a known issue, if yes, is there a workaround for this?
I tried to search around whether it's eclipse problem or not but did
not find anything.  My friend who is using eclipse with Gnome3 does
not see this problem, that's why I assumed it might be E17's fault.
Thank you for any information on this..
m.

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Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

[David Seikel]

On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:36:36 +0100 Mehturt  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I am using Eclipse 3.7.1 with E17 (rev 67696) on Debian and I am
> having strange focus issues with quickfix window.
> Suppose there are 2 errors in the code which I need to quick fix; I
> position mouse over 1st error, quickfix window appears, I select the
> fix, so far so good.
> I position mouse over 2nd error, quickfix window appears but when I
> try to select the fix, the window disappears.  The workaround is to
> switch to another window (using alt+tab) and back, then the quickfix
> works again.
> Is this a known issue, if yes, is there a workaround for this?
> I tried to search around whether it's eclipse problem or not but did
> not find anything.  My friend who is using eclipse with Gnome3 does
> not see this problem, that's why I assumed it might be E17's fault.
> Thank you for any information on this..

I vaguely recall that Java has hard coded assumptions about the window
manager it is running on, and those only include GNOME or KDE.  E17 has
some workarounds for that silliness, but they may not be enough.

Mind you, I might be wrong, or the flavour of Java you are using might
be different.  It could also be different enough to break E17's
workarounds.

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