[eug-lug]SUSE
Ok, I got my hands on a copy of SUSE 8.1 Personal (Thanks Ben!), but I still looking to borrow a copy of 8.2 and 9.0 (preferably Professional). A little birdie told me that either EugLug or EFN may have a copy of 8.2 Pro that I could borrow for a couple of days. Anybody know if this is true? I literally need to do an install, run about 6 hours worth of scripted testing and move on. So I should really only need the disks for approximately 24 hours. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Garl ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
You wrote, >Anyone here ever had experience with DSL thru Integra and/or Advanced >Telcom? At the place where I work we have Integra DSL. It's mostly invisible...we let the box sit there and it Just Works. The same couldn't be said of Qwest, which we had before we switched to Integra. It was always losing connectivity in the middle of the business day when we needed it most (and since I'm the network person at work, whenever it went down I was the person everybody complained to). Integra is giving its business customers Paradyne MVL modems, which seem to work like Qwest's Ciscos in bridging mode. They gave us a single IP address, and we're using a Linux box to NAT the office network through it. The only complaint I have about Integra is that apparently they don't maintain reverse lookup tables for their customers' IP addresses...at least our IP address has never had a name connected to it. (I've run across a web site or two that isn't willing to talk to me because it can't figure out my domain name.) - Neil Parker ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 05:35:10PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >Their AUP is fscary--they can kill your account for >any reason at just about any time. As far as I know, efn's AUP still does >not contain anything of the sort, though former management did seek such a >change. I don't watch things at efn closely enough anymore to know if the >proposal left with the manager. > Yes, it did. -- "That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX." "Well, that's something," Avi says. "Normally those two are mutually exclusive."--Neal Stephenson, "Cryptonomicon" ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
Qwest's continually changing confusing array of DSL/ISP bundle offerings apply differently to business lines versus residential lines. The current Qwest Choice DSL special for an existing business voice line is $15 per month. Note this their slow-speed DSL for "up to" 256kbs downstream and "up to" 256kbs upstream. Add $3 month for the Actiontec 1524 DSL/Gateway (or you need to purchase it directly from Qwest for $60). If you want Qwest as your ISP it will be $6.99 add'l (some specials offer Qwest ISP at $5 add'l) or you will need to sign-up thru a "Qwest DSL Ready ISP" (eg. EFN/Willamette). Qwest says they provide 24x7 voice support but don't believe it. Support is about as good as their goofy commercials. Anyone here ever had experience with DSL thru Integra and/or Advanced Telcom? Darren - Original Message - From: "Ben Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions > I thought qworst's line charge was ~$30/month, then you add on ISP costs. > > ...and being that the lowest DSL ISP monthlies I've seen were $20/month, I > had added up that cable internet is cheaper... but I'm guessing that you're > too far our, in pleasant hill, for that... > >Ben > > > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:24:32 -0800 > Rick Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > | Hi John, Thanks, for the note, > | kinda my impression at the moment that if I have problems with my own > | modem it'll be hard to get any help.. > | > | Anyway, I wrote peak this morning, but haven't heard back, their > | pricing page suggests the quest charge is more than the current 15$ > | /mon. Do you know what the current rates really are? > | Thanks, again. > | > | Rick > | > | > | John Sechrest wrote: > | > | >Hi Rick. > | > > | >Yes. PEAK is possible in Eugene. > | > > | >The modem type has really depended on what the phone company > | >connected it to at the Dslam. We saw lots of variation based > | >on what was connected to what. For the most part with Qwest we lived > | >with what they sent out and it mostly worked fine. > | > > | > > | > > | > > | >Rick Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | > > | > % Hi > | > % > | > % Sorta new here, and just realized that DSL is available at my house > | > % (pleasant hill). The current quest offer seems pretty reasonable. > | > % > | > % I have two basic questions. Is the quest modem/router (actiontec > | > 1524) % reasonable or should I look for a different one? Any > | > experiences? Hmm % I always tell people it depends on what you want to > | > do, so: I imagine% 3 or 4 desktops at home with different OS's, maybe > | > put the wireless % switch to use that I have sitting in my closet with a > | > latop and/or the % desktops. I don't *really* want to have a box to > | > manage as a firewall % unless it's unavoidable. > | > % > | > % > | > % Secondly, The choice of ISP. (Efn hasn't gotten back to me on cost - > | > % but a year or more ago they were out of my league) Anyone know if > | > % it's possible to use Peak (corvallis) or dsl-only.net or > | > % aracnet(spiritone) out of portland? Or any other local preferences. > | > % It'd be nice to have the static IP and no MSN ties... > | > % > | > % If there is a FAQ somewhere, please point me, but I couldn't find one. > | > % > | > % Thanks, Rick > | > % > | > % > | > % ___ > | > % EuG-LUG mailing list > | > % [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug > | > > | >- > | >John Sechrest . Helping people use > | >. computers and the Internet > | > .more effectively > | > . > | > . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > . > | > . > | > http://www.peak.org/~sechrest > | >___ > | >EuG-LUG mailing list > | >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | >http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug > | > > | > > | > | > | ___ > | EuG-LUG mailing list > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug > > > -- > ___ > EuG-LUG mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug > ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 02:24:55PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: > I thought qworst's line charge was ~$30/month, then you add on ISP costs. > > ...and being that the lowest DSL ISP monthlies I've seen were $20/month, I > had added up that cable internet is cheaper... but I'm guessing that you're > too far our, in pleasant hill, for that... Yes, it's cheaper. And the downlink is so much faster than DSL that it's barely in the same league. After a recent upgrade, Comcast users are reporting up to 3mbps downlinks for a price right between Qwest's 256/256 and 640/256 prices through efn. The uplink speed is now topping out around 225kbps for these upgraded areas, which is too bad. Somewhere the idea was floated not long ago of Comcast dropping to 128 uplinks to give the file sharers some pain, but that hasn't happened and was discussed long enough ago that I hope it may not. The situation is that you don't know for sure, and frankly I wouldn't dare do anything that someone might even think possibly bears any resemblence to what might be illegal or possibly just unfavorable to large media interests on Comcast. Their AUP is fscary--they can kill your account for any reason at just about any time. As far as I know, efn's AUP still does not contain anything of the sort, though former management did seek such a change. I don't watch things at efn closely enough anymore to know if the proposal left with the manager. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 02:42:39PM -0800, Patrick R. Wade wrote: > My fellow worker Jay recently got QWest DSL via EFN, and got the Actiontec > device; he's been pretty happy with it. It can do what you're describing, > simple firewalling and routing, and has slots to add PCCard wireless cards > as well. Too bad it only works with Actiontec 802.11b cards. They cost more than several 802.11g routers do at this point. The firewall feature is generally no crappier than I have come to expect from most network appliance router/firewalls, but the average free UNIX variant provides a lot more power and control. You'll find that anything which has a simple Windows-common workaround to firewall issues (regardless of how pathetic) is probably going to expect that you use them. I don't recall even that non-passive FTP was supported. I'm picking nits obviously, but it was once possible to turn off the Actiontec firewall and do the job yourself so it can be done right. The other concern is that Qwest waited 9 months to tell people about a security flaw with the Actiontec because of a bug in their software which made the new/fixed firmware incompatible. > With my own ReachDSL setup, i have the endpoint feeding a little NetGear > NATbox that also does wireless. This apparently isn't possible anymore with Qwest DSL. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions ]
A note on the cisco modems: I think qworst is phasing out the 645's in favor of the 675 model... ymmv, idrkbiwtp... On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:43:53 -0800 Michael White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | I've got qwest dsl into my house. The modem I have is a cisco but I | forget the model number. I'm using qwest for both the line and the isp. | Line charges are about $30 per month and isp is $20 per month. The speed | is around 256k. Static ips are only available for more expensive packages | and they cost an additional $15 per month. Cable just showed up in my | neigherborhood several months ago, so I'm likely going to switch. Main | reason is that I don't use my land line for anything except dsl. So I'm | paying $50 for the dsl and isp, plus $28 for the basic phone service. $45 | for cable makes more sense for me. If you do go with the dsl and need a | cisco modem, I'll have mine for sale soon... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 12:41:11PM -0800, Rick Faber wrote: >Hi > >Sorta new here, and just realized that DSL is available at my house >(pleasant hill). The current quest offer seems pretty reasonable. > >I have two basic questions. Is the quest modem/router (actiontec 1524) >reasonable or should I look for a different one? Any experiences? Hmm >I always tell people it depends on what you want to do, so: I imagine >3 or 4 desktops at home with different OS's, maybe put the wireless >switch to use that I have sitting in my closet with a latop and/or the >desktops. I don't *really* want to have a box to manage as a firewall >unless it's unavoidable. > > My fellow worker Jay recently got QWest DSL via EFN, and got the Actiontec device; he's been pretty happy with it. It can do what you're describing, simple firewalling and routing, and has slots to add PCCard wireless cards as well. With my own ReachDSL setup, i have the endpoint feeding a little NetGear NATbox that also does wireless. >Secondly, The choice of ISP. (Efn hasn't gotten back to me on cost - >but a year or more ago they were out of my league) Anyone know if >it's possible to use Peak (corvallis) or dsl-only.net or >aracnet(spiritone) out of portland? Or any other local preferences. >It'd be nice to have the static IP and no MSN ties... > EFN's DSL offerings have expanded; the price you were quoted before was probably for the ReachDSL, which requires a proprietary endpoint. Our QWest DSL offerings have our own price, and you also pay some fees for QWest; the 256K service has $27 as our price, and with the other fees you would pay out about $42 per month. -- "That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX." "Well, that's something," Avi says. "Normally those two are mutually exclusive."--Neal Stephenson, "Cryptonomicon" ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions ]
I've got qwest dsl into my house. The modem I have is a cisco but I forget the model number. I'm using qwest for both the line and the isp. Line charges are about $30 per month and isp is $20 per month. The speed is around 256k. Static ips are only available for more expensive packages and they cost an additional $15 per month. Cable just showed up in my neigherborhood several months ago, so I'm likely going to switch. Main reason is that I don't use my land line for anything except dsl. So I'm paying $50 for the dsl and isp, plus $28 for the basic phone service. $45 for cable makes more sense for me. If you do go with the dsl and need a cisco modem, I'll have mine for sale soon... Michael White. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
No. I am not at PEAK any more, so I am not tracking pricing. Rick Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: % Hi John, Thanks, for the note, % kinda my impression at the moment that if I have problems with my own % modem it'll be hard to get any help.. % % Anyway, I wrote peak this morning, but haven't heard back, their % pricing page suggests the quest charge is more than the current 15$ % /mon. Do you know what the current rates really are? % Thanks, again. % % Rick % % % John Sechrest wrote: % % >Hi Rick. % > % >Yes. PEAK is possible in Eugene. % > % >The modem type has really depended on what the phone company % >connected it to at the Dslam. We saw lots of variation based % >on what was connected to what. For the most part with Qwest we lived % >with what they sent out and it mostly worked fine. % > % > % > % > % >Rick Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: % > % > % Hi % > % % > % Sorta new here, and just realized that DSL is available at my house % > % (pleasant hill). The current quest offer seems pretty reasonable. % > % % > % I have two basic questions. Is the quest modem/router (actiontec 1524) % > % reasonable or should I look for a different one? Any experiences? Hmm % > % I always tell people it depends on what you want to do, so: I imagine % > % 3 or 4 desktops at home with different OS's, maybe put the wireless % > % switch to use that I have sitting in my closet with a latop and/or the % > % desktops. I don't *really* want to have a box to manage as a firewall % > % unless it's unavoidable. % > % % > % % > % Secondly, The choice of ISP. (Efn hasn't gotten back to me on cost - % > % but a year or more ago they were out of my league) Anyone know if % > % it's possible to use Peak (corvallis) or dsl-only.net or % > % aracnet(spiritone) out of portland? Or any other local preferences. % > % It'd be nice to have the static IP and no MSN ties... % > % % > % If there is a FAQ somewhere, please point me, but I couldn't find one. % > % % > % Thanks, Rick % > % % > % % > % ___ % > % EuG-LUG mailing list % > % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % > % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug % > % >- % >John Sechrest . Helping people use % >. computers and the Internet % > .more effectively % > . % > . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] % > . % > . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest % >___ % >EuG-LUG mailing list % >[EMAIL PROTECTED] % >http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug % > % > % % % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
I thought qworst's line charge was ~$30/month, then you add on ISP costs. ...and being that the lowest DSL ISP monthlies I've seen were $20/month, I had added up that cable internet is cheaper... but I'm guessing that you're too far our, in pleasant hill, for that... Ben On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:24:32 -0800 Rick Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Hi John, Thanks, for the note, | kinda my impression at the moment that if I have problems with my own | modem it'll be hard to get any help.. | | Anyway, I wrote peak this morning, but haven't heard back, their | pricing page suggests the quest charge is more than the current 15$ | /mon. Do you know what the current rates really are? | Thanks, again. | | Rick | | | John Sechrest wrote: | | >Hi Rick. | > | >Yes. PEAK is possible in Eugene. | > | >The modem type has really depended on what the phone company | >connected it to at the Dslam. We saw lots of variation based | >on what was connected to what. For the most part with Qwest we lived | >with what they sent out and it mostly worked fine. | > | > | > | > | >Rick Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > | > % Hi | > % | > % Sorta new here, and just realized that DSL is available at my house | > % (pleasant hill). The current quest offer seems pretty reasonable. | > % | > % I have two basic questions. Is the quest modem/router (actiontec | > 1524) % reasonable or should I look for a different one? Any | > experiences? Hmm % I always tell people it depends on what you want to | > do, so: I imagine% 3 or 4 desktops at home with different OS's, maybe | > put the wireless % switch to use that I have sitting in my closet with a | > latop and/or the % desktops. I don't *really* want to have a box to | > manage as a firewall % unless it's unavoidable. | > % | > % | > % Secondly, The choice of ISP. (Efn hasn't gotten back to me on cost - | > % but a year or more ago they were out of my league) Anyone know if | > % it's possible to use Peak (corvallis) or dsl-only.net or | > % aracnet(spiritone) out of portland? Or any other local preferences. | > % It'd be nice to have the static IP and no MSN ties... | > % | > % If there is a FAQ somewhere, please point me, but I couldn't find one. | > % | > % Thanks, Rick | > % | > % | > % ___ | > % EuG-LUG mailing list | > % [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug | > | >- | >John Sechrest . Helping people use | >. computers and the Internet | > .more effectively | > . | > . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > . | > . | > http://www.peak.org/~sechrest | >___ | >EuG-LUG mailing list | >[EMAIL PROTECTED] | >http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug | > | > | | | ___ | EuG-LUG mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
Hi John, Thanks, for the note, kinda my impression at the moment that if I have problems with my own modem it'll be hard to get any help.. Anyway, I wrote peak this morning, but haven't heard back, their pricing page suggests the quest charge is more than the current 15$ /mon. Do you know what the current rates really are? Thanks, again. Rick John Sechrest wrote: Hi Rick. Yes. PEAK is possible in Eugene. The modem type has really depended on what the phone company connected it to at the Dslam. We saw lots of variation based on what was connected to what. For the most part with Qwest we lived with what they sent out and it mostly worked fine. Rick Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: % Hi % % Sorta new here, and just realized that DSL is available at my house % (pleasant hill). The current quest offer seems pretty reasonable. % % I have two basic questions. Is the quest modem/router (actiontec 1524) % reasonable or should I look for a different one? Any experiences? Hmm % I always tell people it depends on what you want to do, so: I imagine % 3 or 4 desktops at home with different OS's, maybe put the wireless % switch to use that I have sitting in my closet with a latop and/or the % desktops. I don't *really* want to have a box to manage as a firewall % unless it's unavoidable. % % % Secondly, The choice of ISP. (Efn hasn't gotten back to me on cost - % but a year or more ago they were out of my league) Anyone know if % it's possible to use Peak (corvallis) or dsl-only.net or % aracnet(spiritone) out of portland? Or any other local preferences. % It'd be nice to have the static IP and no MSN ties... % % If there is a FAQ somewhere, please point me, but I couldn't find one. % % Thanks, Rick % % % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
I've had a good experience with SpiritOne and Qwest (great with SpiritOne, so-so with Qwest). Once we got everything hooked up, I was quite happy with their 640K DSL service, and would recommend them. These days I'm hooked up through Comcast's 1.5Mbps cable... w00t! pricier but worth it IMO. -Max Rick Faber wrote: Hi Sorta new here, and just realized that DSL is available at my house (pleasant hill). The current quest offer seems pretty reasonable. I have two basic questions. Is the quest modem/router (actiontec 1524) reasonable or should I look for a different one? Any experiences? Hmm I always tell people it depends on what you want to do, so: I imagine 3 or 4 desktops at home with different OS's, maybe put the wireless switch to use that I have sitting in my closet with a latop and/or the desktops. I don't *really* want to have a box to manage as a firewall unless it's unavoidable. Secondly, The choice of ISP. (Efn hasn't gotten back to me on cost - but a year or more ago they were out of my league) Anyone know if it's possible to use Peak (corvallis) or dsl-only.net or aracnet(spiritone) out of portland? Or any other local preferences. It'd be nice to have the static IP and no MSN ties... If there is a FAQ somewhere, please point me, but I couldn't find one. Thanks, Rick ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
Hi Rick. Yes. PEAK is possible in Eugene. The modem type has really depended on what the phone company connected it to at the Dslam. We saw lots of variation based on what was connected to what. For the most part with Qwest we lived with what they sent out and it mostly worked fine. Rick Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: % Hi % % Sorta new here, and just realized that DSL is available at my house % (pleasant hill). The current quest offer seems pretty reasonable. % % I have two basic questions. Is the quest modem/router (actiontec 1524) % reasonable or should I look for a different one? Any experiences? Hmm % I always tell people it depends on what you want to do, so: I imagine % 3 or 4 desktops at home with different OS's, maybe put the wireless % switch to use that I have sitting in my closet with a latop and/or the % desktops. I don't *really* want to have a box to manage as a firewall % unless it's unavoidable. % % % Secondly, The choice of ISP. (Efn hasn't gotten back to me on cost - % but a year or more ago they were out of my league) Anyone know if % it's possible to use Peak (corvallis) or dsl-only.net or % aracnet(spiritone) out of portland? Or any other local preferences. % It'd be nice to have the static IP and no MSN ties... % % If there is a FAQ somewhere, please point me, but I couldn't find one. % % Thanks, Rick % % % ___ % EuG-LUG mailing list % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug - John Sechrest . Helping people use . computers and the Internet .more effectively . . Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]near Eugene DSL questions
Hi Sorta new here, and just realized that DSL is available at my house (pleasant hill). The current quest offer seems pretty reasonable. I have two basic questions. Is the quest modem/router (actiontec 1524) reasonable or should I look for a different one? Any experiences? Hmm I always tell people it depends on what you want to do, so: I imagine 3 or 4 desktops at home with different OS's, maybe put the wireless switch to use that I have sitting in my closet with a latop and/or the desktops. I don't *really* want to have a box to manage as a firewall unless it's unavoidable. Secondly, The choice of ISP. (Efn hasn't gotten back to me on cost - but a year or more ago they were out of my league) Anyone know if it's possible to use Peak (corvallis) or dsl-only.net or aracnet(spiritone) out of portland? Or any other local preferences. It'd be nice to have the static IP and no MSN ties... If there is a FAQ somewhere, please point me, but I couldn't find one. Thanks, Rick ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
T. Joseph Carter wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:18:58PM -0600, Christopher Forsythe wrote: You mean with only one button? Are you serious? (Are you using this under linux, or OS X?) Using under os x, but it can be configured for linux. It makes sense, because my hand is always on the keyboard, and if I want a contextual menu, I can easily hit ctrl. It makes some ergonomic sense. Plus I do not see a reason to buy a mouse when this one works perfectly fine. I do, but I like my higher DPI, my dual LED tracking, and my scrolley. AND my right button, dammit. Ya, that is not to say I do not like my intellimouse explorer with it's seven buttons, and I do not use the apple mouse in some situations, i.e. photoshop and the like. But is is great for web stuff. Chris ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
> The right mouse for me, now that all our old SGI Indy mice have died, > is a Logitech 3-button. You can have my Logitech 3-button PS/2 mouse when you pry it out of my cold, dead fingers. I've got to agree with whoever said that modern mice are getting really cheap and cruddy. But seriously, mouse preference is intensley personal and subject to many, many variables (palm size, finger length/strength/dexterity, etc). -- Hal Pomeranz, Founder/CEO Deer Run Associates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Connectivity and Security, Systems Management, Training ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:30:51AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: > The right mouse for me, now that all our old SGI Indy mice have died, > is a Logitech 3-button. But I'm the only one who has to use it > (except for Anne, who insists on using my 2.4 GHz Gentoo box instead > of her own 450 MHz Windows 98 thing (-: (and yes, I've offered to > buy her a new PC)). Clearly Anne was married for her intelligence. =D ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:18:58PM -0600, Christopher Forsythe wrote: > >You mean with only one button? Are you serious? > >(Are you using this under linux, or OS X?) > > Using under os x, but it can be configured for linux. It makes sense, > because my hand is always on the keyboard, and if I want a contextual > menu, I can easily hit ctrl. It makes some ergonomic sense. Plus I do > not see a reason to buy a mouse when this one works perfectly fine. I do, but I like my higher DPI, my dual LED tracking, and my scrolley. AND my right button, dammit. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
Christopher Forsythe wrote: > HEY! I love my apple mouse... It is one of the more usable mice that I > have. I would rather use that than some other ps/2 mice out there. Oops, sorry. I know a lot of Mac users who don't like it, and my brief experience with it wasn't comfortable, but if it works for you, then it's the right mouse for you. The right mouse for me, now that all our old SGI Indy mice have died, is a Logitech 3-button. But I'm the only one who has to use it (except for Anne, who insists on using my 2.4 GHz Gentoo box instead of her own 450 MHz Windows 98 thing (-: (and yes, I've offered to buy her a new PC)). -- Bob Miller K kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
Ben Barrett wrote: You mean with only one button? Are you serious? (Are you using this under linux, or OS X?) Using under os x, but it can be configured for linux. It makes sense, because my hand is always on the keyboard, and if I want a contextual menu, I can easily hit ctrl. It makes some ergonomic sense. Plus I do not see a reason to buy a mouse when this one works perfectly fine. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
You mean with only one button? Are you serious? (Are you using this under linux, or OS X?) On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:48:31 -0600 Christopher Forsythe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | > Apple's acrylic | >disk mouse is the poster child... | > | > | > | HEY! I love my apple mouse... It is one of the more usable mice that I | have. I would rather use that than some other ps/2 mice out there. | | Chris ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 12:48:31PM -0600, Christopher Forsythe wrote: > >Apple's acrylic > >disk mouse is the poster child... > > > HEY! I love my apple mouse... It is one of the more usable mice that I > have. I would rather use that than some other ps/2 mice out there. I think he's referring to the hockey puck. Nobody likes that. The buttonless one is a different story, though I still prefer the scrollywheel 3 button variant made by somebodyorother. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
Apple's acrylic disk mouse is the poster child... HEY! I love my apple mouse... It is one of the more usable mice that I have. I would rather use that than some other ps/2 mice out there. Chris ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
T. Joseph Carter wrote: > And um, why would you ever NOT use a USB mouse? Laptop maybe? USB mice are expensive and require a trip to the store or its web site. PS/2 mice are already sitting here ready to go. Also, mouse design and quality seems to have been going downhill over the last few years, as (a) they are designed more for showroom appeal than for usability, and (b) prices have plummeted. Apple's acrylic disk mouse is the poster child... -- Bob Miller K kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]stop drooling
To tail onto a semi-dead thread... -Marconi is my router. Adaptec QFE card + Prism 2.5 wireless PCMCIA card, routing between cable modem, local network, neighbors in the duplex, and neighbors across the alley. Named cause it's got a radio in it. -Obsidian is my file server. Dual PII 300s on an off-brand 440FX mobo, with an Intel gigabit fiber adapter and 2x 160gb Maxtor drives connected via firewire, in Garl's nice external SCSI cage. Named cause it used to be in a black case, and I like the name so I kept it after it moved. -Stubbs is my Snort box. Sniffs incoming Comcast traffic of a hub that the cable modem + router are connected to. Logs to a MySQL database on Obsidian via a port on the internal network. Named because it's a stubby little NetPC. -Lanczos is my LAN box. Used for friends that want to come over and game. Named after one of Einsein's research assistants in Berlin who did some interesting work on numerical analysis. Picked cause he's cool and has LAN in his name :) -Dinner is my main desktop. Dual Athlon 2000xp, 1gb RAM, GF4 TI6400. Friends used to have Breakfast and Lunch, now I'm the only one in the scheme. I still use it cause my main box has been named that for years and years. -Brad Tim Howe wrote: Our OpenBSD web servers are named after plant genuses that have psychotropic properties. They are passiflora, mimosa, acorus, and trichocereus. I always thought that was kind of unique. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Re: EuG-LUG Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20
> > Also, the Opera browser also has decent 'masquerading' as Larry describes > it. Dirk, it certainly looks like the issue here is with their site, not > your system. And just to clarify, since I've been more involved with large > webapps -- I have to disagree with Larry here. It'd be nice if you could > choose any browser, but of *course* it matters a great deal. > Any sufficiently complex webapp, especially those that make extensive use of > javascript, java applets, and complex page construction techniques, will > show platform- and browser-issues; what's more is that the amount of work > to effectively provide quality assurance (for the site as a product) for > more than one browser is truly awesome. IIRC there's plenty of open source > projects that work best on IE and mozilla-based browsers... it's nice to be > excited about open source and free software, and to proactively push FOSS' > efforts, but garsh if you examine the current state of the web, most folks > are driving their default Model T (er, IE). > > Regards, > > Ben > > PS - I agree that any site mentioning Navigator is out of date! In many > cases, modifying your user agent string is sufficient = ) > > > On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 01:07:35 -0800 > Larry Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > | Yech, why don't you just use firebird and tell it > | what to set the User-Agent string to. > | > | Mozilla and Konqueror will let you masquerade from a menu item. > | > | And while you're at it, tell us what bank so we may avoid it. > | Unfortunately, this is my Thrift Savings Plan for the US Gov. > Think anyone can straighten them out?! Everything works fine except the online application process, so I'll have to apply over the phone. Also, how do you change the user string in Mozilla, which I like on my Fedora box very much. Thanks to Larry and Ben ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:03:12 -0800 "T. Joseph Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... | The joys of 2.6... That problem goes away. All mice are /dev/input/mice. | And um, why would you ever NOT use a USB mouse? Laptop maybe? | PS/2 KVM(s). However, I agree with wanting any plugged-in mouse to work! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
On Feb 9, 2004, at 3:03 AM, T. Joseph Carter wrote: On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:51:11PM -0800, Brian Baker wrote: One other note on this. If you are running Kudzu, it may detect your usb mouse during boot up and want to configure it for you. Don't let it!! It will remove your ps2 mouse and you will be stuck with an X windows that will only work if you have the usb mouse plugged in. Just tell it to ignore the new hardware. I've lost count of how many time I've made that mistake. The joys of 2.6... That problem goes away. All mice are /dev/input/mice. And um, why would you ever NOT use a USB mouse? Laptop maybe? I have some ps/2 mice, a maple mice, and a serial mouse that I still use sometimes ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:51:11PM -0800, Brian Baker wrote: > One other note on this. If you are running Kudzu, it may detect your usb mouse > during boot up and want to configure it for you. > > Don't let it!! > > It will remove your ps2 mouse and you will be stuck with an X windows that > will only work if you have the usb mouse plugged in. Just tell it to ignore > the new hardware. > > I've lost count of how many time I've made that mistake. The joys of 2.6... That problem goes away. All mice are /dev/input/mice. And um, why would you ever NOT use a USB mouse? Laptop maybe? ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
