[EVDL] EVLN: 123 N_American Soul EVs sold in Oct Charges Quick, Longer-Range
http://green.autoblog.com/2014/11/14/kia-sold-123-north-american-soul-evs-in-october/ Kia sold 123 North American Soul EVs in October By Danny King Nov 14th 2014 [images http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/c1feb9416e3a9b5c9f2eae231cf09d5/201090938/kia.jpg 2015 Kia Soul EV http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2015-kia-soul/#photo-2944202/ (photos) ] How happy were those Kia hamsters last month? We're guessing they were pretty pleased, because reports are out that the South Korean automaker sold 123 Kia Soul electric vehicles in North America during the model's first month of sales on the continent. Now crank up that funky music. Kia sold 109 Soul EVs in the US and another 14 in Canada, Kia-World reports (the site is unaffiliated with the automaker). Kia's expected to move about 5,000 Soul EVs in North America by the end of next year. Kia spokesman James Hope, in an e-mail to AutoblogGreen, said the automaker doesn't specifically disclose the number of gas and electric Soul models it sells in North America. Those volume numbers are on par with lower-volume electric variants of conventional models that are generally positioned as compliance vehicles (i.e., vehicles sold specifically to comply with California's zero-emissions vehicle mandate). For instance, the Ford Focus Electric sold 186 units in the US last month, while the Smart ForTwo ED electric moved 150 vehicles. Honda sold 23 Fit EVs in October. The Kia Soul EV has base price of $33,700 and a single-charge range of 93 miles ... [© green.autoblog.com] ... http://www.kia-world.net/soul-ev-october-2014-sales-figures-usa-canada/ Soul EV October 2014 Sales Figures – USA, Canada ... [dated] http://www.autoblog.com/2014/10/16/2015-kia-soul-ev-review-quick-spin/ Quick Spin 2015 Kia Soul EV By Michael Zak Oct 16th 2014 http://triblive.com/business/headlines/7141212-74/soul-kia-car Kia's 1st electric vehicle charges fast, goes distance By Ann M. Job Nov. 14, 2014 On the Grid From the shale fields to the cooling towers, Trib Total Media covers the energy industry in Western Pennsylvania and beyond. For the latest news and views on gas, coal, electricity and more, check out On the Grid today. 2015 Kia Soul EV Plus Base price: $33,700 for base model; $35,700 for EV Plus. Price as tested: $36,500. Type: All-electric, front-wheel drive, five-passenger, small wagon. Engine: 81.4-kilowatt, AC electric motor mated to a 27-kilowatt hour lithium-ion polymer, onboard battery pack. Mileage: Equivalent to 120 mpg (city), 92 mpg (highway). Finally, there is an all-electric car for people who thought they would never want one. The 2015 Kia Soul EV is a normal-looking Soul with a useful travel range of nearly 100 miles on a single charge, stable ride and handling, generous and flexible cargo space, comfortable seating and fast-charge capability. Indeed, the built-in, direct-current, fast-charge port in the Soul EV allows for 80 percent of the onboard battery to be recharged from empty in as little as 33 minutes. Most importantly, the Kia Soul EV, which is rated by the federal government at 105 miles per gallon-equivalent in combined city/highway travel, has a starting manufacturer's suggested retail price, including destination charge, of $34,500. This price includes, among other things, standard heated steering wheel, heated front seats and outside mirrors, rear camera, navigation system, AM/FM/Sirius satellite radio, Bluetooth hands-free phone connectivity, six air bags and a five-year subscription to Kia's UVO online services with EV features. Kia's 10-year/100,000-mile limited warranty is included, too. The Soul EV qualifies for a $7,500 federal government tax credit, so a buyer may reduce his or her income taxes by up to $7,500 for the year that the car is purchased. This newest electric vehicle — and the first from South Korea's Kia — is sold in California and will spread to more states in 2015. It's in the price range of competitors. Tesla's sporty-looking Model S sedan with 208-mile range as a base, 2014 model, has a starting retail price, including destination fee, of $71,070. The top-selling electric car in the United States — the Nissan Leaf — has an 84-mile travel range on a full charge and carries an MSRP, including destination charge, of $29,860. The Soul EV rides with more heft than its four-cylinder-engine sibling. The test car effortlessly zipped ahead of other vehicles from stoplights. Brightly colored gauges encourage fuel-efficient driving, but an “eco” mode can be turned off for a less-resistant feel to the accelerator pedal. Travel was mostly quiet. A high-pitched, electrical “whir” sound sometimes could be heard, particularly with the windows down, and the low-friction tires conveyed some road noise. Kia engineers installed a subtle, bell-like chime that activates when the Soul is in reverse to alert nearby pedestrians. The rear camera is a lifesaver, because window pillars at the sides of the rear liftgate window
[EVDL] EVLN: Supercapacitors could get Tesla their 7credit-EV
http://paultan.org/2014/11/15/battery-free-electric-cars/
Battery-free electric cars possible with graphene-based supercapacitors,
according to research
By Gregory Sze / 15 November 2014
[image
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Tesla Model S-05
]
A study conducted by researchers at Rice University and the Queensland
University of Technology have resulted in the creation of a graphene-based
supercapacitor film that could possibly replace the need for a conventional
battery in electric cars.
Construction for the supercapacitor consists of two layers of graphene with
an electrolyte layer sandwiched in the middle – creating a thin and durable
film that is able to disperse large amounts of energy in a short amount of
time. Being made from graphene allows for the layer of carbon to measure in
at one atom thick.
Naturally, this would help with the packaging of the vehicle as the film can
be incorporated into different parts of the car – from the body panels to
the roof and even the doors. Another added benefit is the fact that carbon
is more easily sourced compared to lithium, allowing for lower entry costs
in terms of manufacturing.
Another immediate benefit of the supercapacitor film technology is apparent
in charging time. According to the researchers, the system is able to
achieve a full charge within minutes rather than the required few hours of a
more conventional battery.
With the inclusion of the film, researchers are aiming for a future where
electric cars will no longer require a batter. Instead developing a system
capable of a maximum range of 500 kilometres – more or less the same as a
petrol-powered car.
“In the future, it is hoped the supercapacitor will be developed to store
more energy than a Li-Ion battery while retaining the ability to release its
energy up to 10 times faster,” adds Jinzhang Liu, one of lead researchers.
[© paultan.org]
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Lighweight, graphene-based supercapacitors may boost power and range of
electric cars
By Nicole Arce | November 10, 2014
...
http://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/transportation/advanced-cars/graphenebased-supercapacitors-take-another-crack-at-allelectric-vehicles
Graphene-based Supercapacitors Take Another Crack at All-electric Vehicles
By Dexter Johnson 7 Nov 2014
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http://www.loadthegame.com/2014/11/13/battery-free-electric-cars-may-become-real-5-years/
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[EVDL] 5 T-Day EV Road-Trip Tips
https://transportevolved.com/2014/11/19/surviving-thanksgiving-road-trip-five-tips-thanksgiving-plug-trips/ Surviving the Thanksgiving Road Trip: Five Tips for Thanksgiving Plug-in Trips November 19, 2014 By Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield For a large part of the U.S. right now, it gets dark by 5pm, there’s snow on the roads, and the temperature is well below freezing. To put it bluntly, it’s the worst possible time of the year to be making any sort of road trip. [image] Heading somewhere for Thanksgiving in a plug-in car? Read these handy tips before you go. Like every year before it however, millions of Americans will pack up their cars and head out on their annual Thanksgiving road trip, heading to spend Turkey Day with their nearest and dearest. This year, more Americans than ever before will be making that trip in a plug-in car. Thanks to increased rapid charging infrastructure and cars like the the Tesla Model S [EV], long-distance road trips by plug-in car aren’t the nightmare they once were. But with more plug-in owners making long-distance trips over the coming few days than ever before and weather looking bleak in much of the Great Plains, South and East of the U.S. for Thanksgiving week, we’re here with five tips to help you be prepared and ready for your trip. Acknowledge there are alternatives It might feel counterproductive in an article about surviving the Thanksgiving road trip to advocate you consider taking an alternative, but unless you have a Tesla Model S 85 [kWh] with Supercharging capabilities and access to Tesla Supercharger stations en-route, any mid to long-distance electric car trip is still something you should think long and hard about taking. For a start, the majority of electric cars on the market today weren’t designed for long-distance trips. While they can be used for such, it takes a lot of planning an patience to make them a fun and enjoyable adventure. If you’re willing to trade low fuel costs for extra time travelling or the adventure of the unknown, then read on. If you’re worried about your own abilities or the abilities of your car, consider making alternative arrangements. [image] If you’ve got a BMW i3 [EV], you can borrow a gas-guzzler if you feel safer making the longer-distance trip that way. To start with, you’ll find some plug-in car manufacturers offer loaner gasoline-powered vehicles for the occasional long-distance trip, allowing you to leave your plug-in at home and focus on the holiday rather than the next charging station. You might also find local car clubs where you can rent a car for a few days, or a traditional car hire company. Although you’ll not be able to enjoy the feeling of being fossil-fuel free, those of a nervous disposition will find it far more comforting leave the plug in at home for just this one time. Be conservative about your car’s range Still want to take the plug in? Okay. Well done. But now there are some things you need to know about the trip you’re planning, and the first one is about your own expectations of the car and yourself. You might think after months of ownership that you’re already familiar with how far your electric car can travel on a single charge, but it’s worth remembering that you’ve probably gained that experience from a daily, predictable commuting route. When you’re driving further afield — especially if you’re driving a route you’re unfamiliar in colder weather with a fully-laden car — you should be prepared for the chance that your car will travel less far on a charge than it does normally. Stop-and-go traffic won’t help either, zapping more power every time you accelerate than you’ll be able to recapture when you brake. [image] Expect your range to be less than in everyday driving. As a consequence, we advise expecting a range of around 80 percent of your usual personal average, giving you extra power for diversions, heating, and peace of mind. Have a backup plan for charging Although it’s not always possible, you should always have a couple of earmarked for charging at every stop on your Thanksgiving route. For example, if you’re planning on stopping in a particular town or city, use something like Plugshare or the OpenChargeMap to find backup places to charge nearby. While you may not find another charging station that is as quick as the one you plan on using, it’ll help you get out of a sticky situation if you happen to have problems using your first choice. Not only that, but having a couple of alternative routes and charging station options planned out also makes it possible for you to adjust your route in case of poor weather or heavy traffic. Plan extra time for your trip It’s something all of us have done at some point in our lives: programmed in our destination using Google Maps or in-car GPS to discover that our trip will only take five hours when the reality is nearer ten. [image] Know where you can charge — and when. At a busy time of year like Thanksgiving, miscalculating
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem
It is no problem, as long as the curbside charger is near your home (and available). Most Americans don't park in their garages either - when I look around in the area, a great number of garages are either converted to living space (legally or not) or simply stacked floor to bottom with junk eh, ahem, I mean with important belongings that can't be just tossed out. (but also have no place inside the home, so they live in the garage) Whenever the city tries to get people to use their garages and driveways to park, instead of the public street (for example when a redesign of the road is needed) then there is a lot of pushback from people who cannot possibly be required to park their private property on their own property and who demand that they need public transportation infrastructure constructed in such a way that they can store their belongings on it. Hmm, what is wrong with that picture. But anyway - most EV drivers in USA have a charger installed in the garage or next to the driveway, so curbside charging is not much needed (yet). When more vehicles are exchanged for EVs, the need will rise because then the people who live in apartment buildings and other multi-tenant structures, as well as those living where no or not enough on-site parking is available, will need curbside EVSE. There are few EVSE that I know of that are constructed curb-side. One notable example is in Palo Alto. I believe that Otmar used to have a curbside charging station - not sure if that one was legal, but definitely Sven Thesen from ProjectGreenHome.org has a legal curbside EVSE installed. Short answer - as long as you can charge overnight and close to your home, there should be little difference whether the EVSE is on your property or on the public street, as long as it is available (ie there are enough spots). That is one of the reasons that the share-vehicle system in Paris is so popular: people do not care much that there are thousands of EV waiting on every city block that they can rent by the half hour, but they are very happy with being able to reserve a car *and* a parking space from their smartphone, because there are more than double the parking spaces than vehicles (each space having a charging station that can also be used by privately owned EVs!) Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator via EV Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:22 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem On 19 Nov 2014 at 13:08, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: probably eventually, a lot of curbside charging for those who can't park on premises for whatever reason. The US tends to be more focused on suburbia, so we often forget about the Europeans who live in city houses and apartments and park their cars on the public streets. They have no garages or even dedicated private parking spaces, so they have no places to fit privately owned chargers. This is also true in some US cities, but I think fewer than in Europe. Having no way to charge at home means you have to use paid charging stations. It's just like fueling an ICEV, but it takes longer and you have to do it more often. This HAS to be a drag on EV adoption, no? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Supercapacitors could get Tesla their 7credit-EV
On Nov 20, 2014, at 5:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The problem is not charging time. The problem is the electrical power grid cannot supply the energy to charge a car in 10 minutes I think we've already had this conversation. The brute force solution is to have a similar battery in the charging station that gets charged however fast the grid can charge it, and the battery in the charging station dumps its charge to the one on the vehicle as fast as those two can handle it. It would only be of interest to homeowners if the off-car battery was used to store excess rooftop solar electricity generation and for grid power outages and the like -- not a very large market, at least for now. But it would very much be of interest to roadside charging stations. It's not hard to imagine such a place ripping out the underground gas tanks and replacing them with a similar volume of banks of batteries. So long as the station's grid connection can handle the _average_ daily current draw, with enough batteries the station can supply _peak_ current draws well in excess of the grid can without any trouble. The station only has to provide that peak power for a minute or two at a time, after all, and has all the rest of the time until the next car pulls up to recharge its own batteries from the grid. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141120/12f7651b/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Supercapacitors could get Tesla their 7credit-EV
cannot is an absolute and dangerous statement. Incidentally it is untrue, but let's do some math first: Presume that we *don't* use a buffer battery (AKA dump charge battery) and all power is directly drawn from the local grid to show worst-case: If a Leaf pulls up with a totally empty battery and needs to recharge to 80% (which is the max that you can do typically for fast-charge) then you need less than 20kWh. For that energy to be delivered in 10 mins, you need 120kW. The standard mid-voltage overhead wiring that distributes power throughout town typically works at voltages around 11-22kV, so you are talking about a current of less than 11 Amp of mid-voltage supply. This is a significant amount of power, but nothing difficult for the power distribution, you just need a new tap directly from the mid-voltage to a (new) transformer on the premises of the charging station. Similar to what a commercial building would require. Or a new street with a few dozen houses. See - the fast charge stations that Tesla is putting in everywhere? They draw about 100kW per charger, since they charge the Tesla pack in 1/2h so if Tesla has already done this, why are you saying cannot? In my opinion, it is simply an engineering question and as it appears, it has already been solved. Note that if you meant cannot be done at home then there is indeed the issue of the power that a typical home is connected with, usually not more than 25kW (240V 200Amp connections are common in USA, but the typical pole pig transformer is only supposed to do 25kW continuously een though it can be overloaded to 50kW without immediate problems) so then you would require a dump pack if you need to charge faster than in 1 hour. In Europe a typical home is either connected to single phase 230V with at least a 25Amp fuse, optionally upgraded to 35Amp or you can request the power company to put in all 3 fuses to give you 400V (3-phase) at a minimum of 25A, which would give you access to at minimum 5.7kW and for 3-phase it becomes at least 17kW (the 3-phase wiring is run to each electricity meter inside a home, you only need to add the wiring from meter to the 3-phase outlet and re-distribute the breakers across the 3 phases, then the power company will swap out the meter and you are set. This is routinely done when you cook electric or use power tools). Regards, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Paul Dove via EV Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 4:04 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Supercapacitors could get Tesla their 7credit-EV The problem is not charging time. The problem is the electrical power grid cannot supply the energy to charge a car in 10 minutes Sent from my iPad On Nov 20, 2014, at 3:54 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://paultan.org/2014/11/15/battery-free-electric-cars/ Battery-free electric cars possible with graphene-based supercapacitors, according to research By Gregory Sze / 15 November 2014 [image http://s2.paultan.org/image/2013/10/Tesla-Model-S-05.jpg Tesla Model S-05 ] A study conducted by researchers at Rice University and the Queensland University of Technology have resulted in the creation of a graphene-based supercapacitor film that could possibly replace the need for a conventional battery in electric cars. Construction for the supercapacitor consists of two layers of graphene with an electrolyte layer sandwiched in the middle - creating a thin and durable film that is able to disperse large amounts of energy in a short amount of time. Being made from graphene allows for the layer of carbon to measure in at one atom thick. Naturally, this would help with the packaging of the vehicle as the film can be incorporated into different parts of the car - from the body panels to the roof and even the doors. Another added benefit is the fact that carbon is more easily sourced compared to lithium, allowing for lower entry costs in terms of manufacturing. Another immediate benefit of the supercapacitor film technology is apparent in charging time. According to the researchers, the system is able to achieve a full charge within minutes rather than the required few hours of a more conventional battery. With the inclusion of the film, researchers are aiming for a future where electric cars will no longer require a batter. Instead developing a system capable of a maximum range of 500 kilometres - more or less the same as a petrol-powered car. In the future, it is hoped the supercapacitor will be developed to store more energy than a Li-Ion battery while retaining the ability to release its energy up to 10 times faster, adds Jinzhang Liu, one of lead researchers. [(c) paultan.org] ...
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entry
costs
in terms of manufacturing.
Another immediate benefit of the supercapacitor film technology is
apparent
in charging time. According to the researchers, the system is able to
achieve a full charge within minutes rather than the required few
hours of a
more conventional battery.
With the inclusion of the film, researchers are aiming for a future
where
electric cars will no longer require a batter. Instead developing a
system
capable of a maximum range of 500 kilometres - more or less the same
as a
petrol-powered car.
In the future, it is hoped the supercapacitor will be developed to
store
more energy than a Li-Ion battery while retaining the ability to
release its
energy up to 10 times faster, adds Jinzhang Liu, one of lead
researchers.
[(c) paultan.org]
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http://www.techtimes.com/articles/19844/20141110/lighweight-graphene-bas
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Lighweight, graphene-based supercapacitors may boost power and range
of
electric cars
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http://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/transportation/advanced-cars/graphene
based-supercapacitors-take-another-crack-at-allelectric-vehicles
Graphene-based Supercapacitors Take Another Crack at All-electric
Vehicles
By Dexter Johnson 7 Nov 2014
...
http://www.loadthegame.com/2014/11/13/battery-free-electric-cars-may-bec
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Battery-free electric cars may become real in 5 years
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Re: [EVDL] 5 T-Day EV Road-Trip Tips
Don’t forget to take along an FRS walkie Talkie set to channel 3 tone 5. If Every EV driver carried one, we could chat, brag, and commiserate with each other in passing or while stuck in grid lock. Lets make this a national standard. Certainly an FRS radio is handy at EV events when EV's congregate and need to chat without having to carry around 50 phone numbers. Channel 3 tone 5 came from the national average cost to drive an EV of about 3.5 cents per mile. See: http://aprs.org/EV-radio.html Bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:04 AM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] 5 T-Day EV Road-Trip Tips https://transportevolved.com/2014/11/19/surviving-thanksgiving-road-trip-five-tips-thanksgiving-plug-trips/ Surviving the Thanksgiving Road Trip: Five Tips for Thanksgiving Plug-in Trips November 19, 2014 By Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield For a large part of the U.S. right now, it gets dark by 5pm, there’s snow on the roads, and the temperature is well below freezing. To put it bluntly, it’s the worst possible time of the year to be making any sort of road trip. [image] Heading somewhere for Thanksgiving in a plug-in car? Read these handy tips before you go. Like every year before it however, millions of Americans will pack up their cars and head out on their annual Thanksgiving road trip, heading to spend Turkey Day with their nearest and dearest. This year, more Americans than ever before will be making that trip in a plug-in car. Thanks to increased rapid charging infrastructure and cars like the the Tesla Model S [EV], long-distance road trips by plug-in car aren’t the nightmare they once were. But with more plug-in owners making long-distance trips over the coming few days than ever before and weather looking bleak in much of the Great Plains, South and East of the U.S. for Thanksgiving week, we’re here with five tips to help you be prepared and ready for your trip. Acknowledge there are alternatives It might feel counterproductive in an article about surviving the Thanksgiving road trip to advocate you consider taking an alternative, but unless you have a Tesla Model S 85 [kWh] with Supercharging capabilities and access to Tesla Supercharger stations en-route, any mid to long-distance electric car trip is still something you should think long and hard about taking. For a start, the majority of electric cars on the market today weren’t designed for long-distance trips. While they can be used for such, it takes a lot of planning an patience to make them a fun and enjoyable adventure. If you’re willing to trade low fuel costs for extra time travelling or the adventure of the unknown, then read on. If you’re worried about your own abilities or the abilities of your car, consider making alternative arrangements. [image] If you’ve got a BMW i3 [EV], you can borrow a gas-guzzler if you feel safer making the longer-distance trip that way. To start with, you’ll find some plug-in car manufacturers offer loaner gasoline-powered vehicles for the occasional long-distance trip, allowing you to leave your plug-in at home and focus on the holiday rather than the next charging station. You might also find local car clubs where you can rent a car for a few days, or a traditional car hire company. Although you’ll not be able to enjoy the feeling of being fossil-fuel free, those of a nervous disposition will find it far more comforting leave the plug in at home for just this one time. Be conservative about your car’s range Still want to take the plug in? Okay. Well done. But now there are some things you need to know about the trip you’re planning, and the first one is about your own expectations of the car and yourself. You might think after months of ownership that you’re already familiar with how far your electric car can travel on a single charge, but it’s worth remembering that you’ve probably gained that experience from a daily, predictable commuting route. When you’re driving further afield — especially if you’re driving a route you’re unfamiliar in colder weather with a fully-laden car — you should be prepared for the chance that your car will travel less far on a charge than it does normally. Stop-and-go traffic won’t help either, zapping more power every time you accelerate than you’ll be able to recapture when you brake. [image] Expect your range to be less than in everyday driving. As a consequence, we advise expecting a range of around 80 percent of your usual personal average, giving you extra power for diversions, heating, and peace of mind. Have a backup plan for charging Although it’s not always possible, you should always have a couple of earmarked for charging at every stop on your Thanksgiving route. For example, if you’re planning on stopping in a particular town or city, use something like Plugshare or the OpenChargeMap to find backup places to charge nearby. While you may not find
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst (parking meters)
I have looked for used parking meters to make them into EV L1 charging outlets but simply cannot find them. Yet the old mechanical ones are being replaced by themillions by new gadgetry. Where are they all going? I found one in an antique shop, but the owner seemed to think it was made out of Gold. I am sure cities excess the old ones for scrap metal prices. IF ANYONE CAN FIND A SOURCE, we could really move EV's forward by adding an L1 outlet to th em. Bob, WB4AOR http://aprs.org/EV-charging-everywhere.html -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:14 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: The US tends to be more focused on suburbia, so we often forget about the Europeans who live in city houses and apartments and park their cars on the public streets. They have no garages or even dedicated private parking spaces, so they have no places to fit privately owned chargers. Having no way to charge at home means you have to use paid charging stations. It's just like fueling an ICEV, but it takes longer and you have to do it more often. This HAS to be a drag on EV adoption, no? For decades, those of us in the snow belt have had free widespread public charging stations. They are normal 120vac outlets, installed to plug in block heaters so our cars will start in the winter. They can be found everywhere people park; parking lots, curbside, apartments, etc. The other obvious candidates are parking meters. Many of them are now electrical, and have 120vac service. It would be trivially easy to add a standard 120vac receptacle with a weatherproof cover, that is switched on when you put money in the meter. I honestly think those who see the lack of EV infrastructure as an insurmountable problem are just not thinking about it clearly. -- Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Supercapacitors could get Tesla their 7credit-EV
The problem is not charging time. The problem is the electrical power grid cannot supply the energy to charge a car in 10 minutes Actually, the *real* problem is that this press release was only idiot investor bait. Every time anyone comes out with any improvement in battery technology, they automatically insert will make electric cars practical into their PR. It sucks in gullible investors. Dozens of these miracle battery breakthroughs are announced every year. And have been for over 100 years! I'll bet you can't find *even one* that ever came true. Put them in the same category as the ones that claim miracle pill stops aging and vote for me and I'll fix the government. -- Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Supercapacitors could get Tesla their 7credit-EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst (parking meters)
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: I have looked for used parking meters to make them into EV L1 charging outlets but simply cannot find them. Yet the old mechanical ones are being replaced by themillions by new gadgetry. Where are they all going? In St. Cloud MN, the company that sold them the new electric meters (with instant reporting to the meter readers for fast ticketing and revenue enhancement) took the old meters in exchange. I suspect it's a good marketing ploy -- destroy the old ones so they don't get sold and used by some other potential customer. -- Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] power sterring
For any one whos interested, I bought a Nissan Pathfinder 013,014 electric power steering pump cheap, now you can find many different kind out there, 900$ from some EV suppliers is just way out of line ..and shipping was free LOLOL Its going on a 98 S-10 Im about to finish and put up for sale -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141120/31339f08/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] charging station
Ooohh, now that sounds like a fun accessory! On Thu Nov 20 11:07:21 PST 2014 ev@lists.evdl.org said: I bought an older gas pump, not an antique ,but old enough to have the rotary wheels on it, I will take the face plate off and make a hole for a watt meter in the centre, where the top globe was, missing I have a 12 inch globe that shoots a purple lighting flash, I dont know? a flux capacitor ? It will have my plug on the end 15 foot of cable and when you lift the nozzle rest up it all turns on , It will sit on the outside of my garage next to the garage door. , lots of sanding and painting to do on it now . If I can find a large enough digital meter I would like to use that. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EV Components for sale on Ebay.
Hello to the list! I have a couple of EV-Related Items up for Auction that you might be interested in. I have a PRISTINE condition DD Motors ES-31C Double Shaft Motor (Ebay Auction # 261667109038). I also have a Sevcon Millipak 4Q DC Brushed Motor Controller and the associated Programmer / Calibrator. In Great Shape, at a Great Price! (Ebay Auction # 261667069010). I haven't a use for these components any more and would love to see them go to a good home or two. I can be reached directly at EVCARGUY AT GMAIL DOT COM. THANKS! David -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141120/ad88b94e/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] charging station
I like it! What a great idea to make a boring charging station an exciting display! Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Electric Blue auto convertions via EV Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:07 AM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] charging station I bought an older gas pump, not an antique ,but old enough to have the rotary wheels on it, I will take the face plate off and make a hole for a watt meter in the centre, where the top globe was, missing I have a 12 inch globe that shoots a purple lighting flash, I dont know? a flux capacitor ? It will have my plug on the end 15 foot of cable and when you lift the nozzle rest up it all turns on , It will sit on the outside of my garage next to the garage door. , lots of sanding and painting to do on it now . If I can find a large enough digital meter I would like to use that. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141120/0331 224c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] charging station
Electric Blue auto convertions via EV wrote: I bought an older gas pump, not an antique, but old enough to have the rotary wheels on it, I will take the face plate off and make a hole for a watt meter in the centre, where the top globe was, missing I have a 12 inch globe that shoots a purple lighting flash, I don't know? a flux capacitor ? It will have my plug on the end 15 foot of cable and when you lift the nozzle rest up it all turns on , It will sit on the outside of my garage next to the garage door. , lots of sanding and painting to do on it now . If I can find a large enough digital meter I would like to use that. A steampunk charging station? I like it! :-) You don't need fake parts for an arc-n-spark show. Bill Dube' posted a link to some photos of antique battery chargers. The giant mercury arc rectifier tubes, open knife switches, etc. were very impressive! There are mechanical digital meters. That might fit right in. It could even drive the stock rotary wheels to show voltage or KWH. -- Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] PING, please ignore
Just checking my account settings. I don't seem to be getting my mail consistently or able to access the private archives. Do what you can, with what you have, where you are - Theodore Roosevelt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141120/f81e907a/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] power sterring
What voltage range is that pump and does it need a speed sensor feedback to operate properly? On Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:40 PM, Electric Blue auto convertions via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: For any one whos interested, I bought a Nissan Pathfinder 013,014 electric power steering pump cheap, now you can find many different kind out there, 900$ from some EV suppliers is just way out of line ..and shipping was free LOLOL Its going on a 98 S-10 Im about to finish and put up for sale -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141120/31339f08/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141120/72f57814/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN:Solution? Hand-wringing EV angst (parking meters)
Hi Robert and All, The best place for EV charge stations is on utility power poles by the utilities. It's the low cost easy to do solution. Just drop a line to a 4 unit station would cost them just $1k to do. Well placed units would pay for themselves in a yr. It's what Bob Rice, etc did in the first cross country EV race. They requested temp pole drops from utilities all across the country to do it in the 70's? Especially for apartments, city, shopping centers, businesses, etc seems to be the best choice by those expert at high power. And leaves it ready to do V2G which is only 5 yrs away if they are smart. Utilities are losing demand despite more, larger homes, buildings and people. EIA US Utility Output Report to solar and eff. And EV's is their last chance to reverse that. Jerry Dycus From: Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst (parking meters) I have looked for used parking meters to make them into EV L1 charging outlets but simply cannot find them. Yet the old mechanical ones are being replaced by themillions by new gadgetry. Where are they all going? I found one in an antique shop, but the owner seemed to think it was made out of Gold. I am sure cities excess the old ones for scrap metal prices. IF ANYONE CAN FIND A SOURCE, we could really move EV's forward by adding an L1 outlet to th em. Bob, WB4AOR http://aprs.org/EV-charging-everywhere.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141121/4705e6a6/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
