Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[Home via EV]

One of the things to take into consideration is that we passed peak 
conventional oil production in 2005.  Any increase in replacement reserves will 
be increasingly more expensive with respect to salary growth going forward.  As 
we burn through cheap gasoline and supplies are drawn down, we will eventually 
have to replace it with the expensive stuff.  It maybe some time before that 
happens.  EVs are more of a solution than ICEs will ever be.  I think the 
powers that be know this and will feed their decision to Trump.  We have to 
figure out their game plan.  It may not be obvious or long lived. 
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Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[Lee Hart via EV]

ROBERT via EV wrote:

Maybe it is time we all get a beer, sit back, cool off, relax, and
take a break.


That's fine. But, we should also expect stormy weather, and start 
thinking about how we are going to prepare for it!



As to the death of EVs, I do not think it will happen because of the
following:

(1) Tesla has shown that a manufacturer can produce a saleable EV and
make a profit.  The other auto manufacturers cannot let Tesla be the
only game in town.


Even though Tesla is the most successful EV producer in the past 50 
years, they've only produced a very small number of cars, for a tiny 
sliver of the automotive market. They are a smaller player than Porsche, 
Ferrari, etc. (whom the auto companies also basically ignore).


Tesla is also not yet profitable. They've reported about a $6/share loss 
over the past year. Their best quarter was only a $0.15/share profit.


The Tesla is a great car, and I'm rooting for them as "my team". But I 
also have to be realistic and recognize that their chances of surviving 
are still pretty slim.



(2) CA and other places have enacted zero car emission requirements.


Except that these standards were gutted immediately after the last 
Republican president took office. It happened before; it could happen again.



(3) Some people that have purchased EVs as ICE replacements the last
few years like the cars.


True; but the auto companies dumped them anyway. Remember, car companies 
sell to their *dealers*, not the public. They cater to what their 
*dealers* want. And dealers generally do not like or want EVs.



(4) Some countries such as China and India, who have a lot of people,
have low oil reserves.  They will continue to develop EVs and
alternative energy.


Yes, they will. And none of them can be imported to the USA without 
expensive custom re-design and testing.



(5) There is a segment of the population that has always liked EVs
and alternative energy and they have money to buy the products.


That's Tesla's market. They can continue to hold that market; but it 
won't affect the automotive market in general.


I like EVs! But I'm no 1%er, and will never be able to afford a Tesla. 
But I did get a Nissan Leaf, thanks to the deep discounts, rebates, and 
tax credits that were available.



I would say the genie is out of its bottle and it is not going back
into the bottle.  They were able to kill the EV1 because it was only
a single genie based on a single state requirement.


Actually, all the automakers had EVs out then, and other states had them 
as well (Massachusetts, Georgia, Arizona, etc.) But you will notice that 
the winners have essentially re-written history -- the average person's 
view is that it never happened.



a change in the administration in DC may slow down the
electrification of transportation but it cannot stop it.

Therefore, lets move on to what needs to be done to move forward.


I believe they *can* stop it. That is why it's important for EVers to 
get organized, before we get trampled to death again!


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Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

 
One recommendation by the auto manufacturers can make environmental sense - 
better coordination of the myriad of agencies that regulate the OEMs.
Having more than one agency with some responsibility under one regulation makes 
for difficulty. EPA had real challenges with the latest GHG regs.
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Subject: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War - Date: 11/12/16, 
9:09 AM

 
http://insideevs.com/automakers-ask-trump-to-ease-emissions-rules-ev-mandates-ge
 
t-ready-for-a-war/ 
 
It looks like Inside EV's thinks that the EV road is going to be full of 
potholes in the future... 
 
For those of you that actually want EV's, you might read the article. For those 
of you hypocritical EV 'proponents' that speak with 'forked tongues', just 
continue thinking that everything is alright until the OEM Auto manufactures 
(except Tesla of course) come and take your EV and crush it... 
 
This has happened in the past if you didn't know or have forgotten, EV's were 
reprocessed and crushed... 
 
Rush Dougherty 
Tucson AZ 85719 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [EVDL] Automakers lobby for "relief" from EVs

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Today, beneficial charging policies are instituted mainly at City level
since state and federal level is muc more difficult to move and more
prone to influence from lobbyists, so I suggest that each tries to
convince their city to change policies like for example Palo Alto has.
Once enough cities have adopted, it becomes easier to find support to
get this in at state level with the support of a large nr of cities
behind you
That is how Community Choice Energy is still moving forward despite
push-back by PG

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mike Nickerson
via EV
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:47 PM
To: Lee Hart; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Automakers lobby for "relief" from EVs

I think Tesla is the wildcard that will help ensure the continuation of
EVs.  Tesla is actually nearing the end of their EV tax credits in the
next year or two.  If the EV credits are removed, that could actually
help Tesla by leveling the playing field.  They would have been facing
competition where other manufacturers still had credits and they
wouldn't.

Even if other manufacturers are claiming EVs aren't feasible, Tesla will
still be there, proving they are.

Artificially low fuel prices could be maintained, but not forever.  Even
with fairly low fuel prices, electric vehicles are still making
progress.  I'm hoping we are facing a tipping point where enough people
have ridden in or driven an electric vehicle that they see how much fun
they are.

I think there is one area that electric vehicles could still use help.
It could be encouraged by state or Federal policies.  People living in
apartments today struggle to get charging facilities.  It would be
helpful to have policies, but I don't think we will see those unless in
some progressive states.

Mike


On November 12, 2016 1:22:39 PM MST, Lee Hart via EV 
wrote:
>tomw wrote -
>> As for crushing cars, that's nonsense.
>
>As David says, there are lots of ways to "crush" EVs besides literally 
>putting them in a car crusher. For instance...
>
>- Auto companies cancel their EV leases, demand cars be returned, and
>   destroy them.
>- Change environmental regulations to favor ICEs over EVs.
>- Kill or cripple the CARB and similar mandates.
>- Kill EV tax credits and deductions.
>- Lower gas prices, to destroy the demand and interest in EVs.
>- Make new regulations to require special expensive infrastructure
>   to charge EVs.
>- Create new taxes to make EVs "pay their fair share of road taxes".
>- File bogus lawsuits against EV makers for making "dangerous"
>vehicles.
>- And of course, a widespread media campaign to discredit EV safety,
>   economy, and environmental benefits.
>
>All of these have happened before; so they could easily happen again.

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Re: [EVDL] Automakers lobby for "relief" from EVs

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

I think Tesla is the wildcard that will help ensure the continuation of EVs.  
Tesla is actually nearing the end of their EV tax credits in the next year or 
two.  If the EV credits are removed, that could actually help Tesla by leveling 
the playing field.  They would have been facing competition where other 
manufacturers still had credits and they wouldn't.

Even if other manufacturers are claiming EVs aren't feasible, Tesla will still 
be there, proving they are.

Artificially low fuel prices could be maintained, but not forever.  Even with 
fairly low fuel prices, electric vehicles are still making progress.  I'm 
hoping we are facing a tipping point where enough people have ridden in or 
driven an electric vehicle that they see how much fun they are.

I think there is one area that electric vehicles could still use help.  It 
could be encouraged by state or Federal policies.  People living in apartments 
today struggle to get charging facilities.  It would be helpful to have 
policies, but I don't think we will see those unless in some progressive states.

Mike


On November 12, 2016 1:22:39 PM MST, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
>tomw wrote -
>> As for crushing cars, that's nonsense.
>
>As David says, there are lots of ways to "crush" EVs besides literally 
>putting them in a car crusher. For instance...
>
>- Auto companies cancel their EV leases, demand cars be returned, and
>   destroy them.
>- Change environmental regulations to favor ICEs over EVs.
>- Kill or cripple the CARB and similar mandates.
>- Kill EV tax credits and deductions.
>- Lower gas prices, to destroy the demand and interest in EVs.
>- Make new regulations to require special expensive infrastructure
>   to charge EVs.
>- Create new taxes to make EVs "pay their fair share of road taxes".
>- File bogus lawsuits against EV makers for making "dangerous"
>vehicles.
>- And of course, a widespread media campaign to discredit EV safety,
>   economy, and environmental benefits.
>
>All of these have happened before; so they could easily happen again.

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Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

Easy, folks.  I know there's a lot of concern and consternation abroad, yea 
verily a lot of anger -- but please, I ask you again to be careful about 
partisan politics in your posts.

We're headed for trouble here in the US, largely because politicians have 
for decades been pushing an us-versus-them agenda.  They demonize and 
dehumanize people who have different goals and convictions.  We've seen 
where that gets you in Rwanda, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, and far too many 
other places.

Here in America we've already fought one civil war. Don't think it can't 
happen again.  For some self-styled "warriors," EVs and even "greenish" 
ICEVs mark us as the enemy.  Keep your wits about you.

This is only one element of the degeneration of our society, but it's one 
that we have some control over right here on the EVDL.  Please, let's 
concentrate on what we have in common -- the conviction that EVs are good 
for us and for society in general -- not on what divides us.

The EVDL remains one of the most civil places on an increasingly hateful 
post-truth internet.  Let's keep it that way.

Thanks.

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Re: [EVDL] Automakers lobby for "relief" from EVs

[Lee Hart via EV]

tomw wrote -

As for crushing cars, that's nonsense.


As David says, there are lots of ways to "crush" EVs besides literally 
putting them in a car crusher. For instance...


- Auto companies cancel their EV leases, demand cars be returned, and
  destroy them.
- Change environmental regulations to favor ICEs over EVs.
- Kill or cripple the CARB and similar mandates.
- Kill EV tax credits and deductions.
- Lower gas prices, to destroy the demand and interest in EVs.
- Make new regulations to require special expensive infrastructure
  to charge EVs.
- Create new taxes to make EVs "pay their fair share of road taxes".
- File bogus lawsuits against EV makers for making "dangerous" vehicles.
- And of course, a widespread media campaign to discredit EV safety,
  economy, and environmental benefits.

All of these have happened before; so they could easily happen again.

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Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Thanks Rush,
I have been warning people about the deception by Prager "University"
for a while now and people still find and repost the videos they make 
(since they are only an online PR organisation for Mr Prager's agenda
that is indeed deceptively slick. He apparently saw how effective real
grass-roots organisations were and is now copying the approach for
pushing his agenda.
So, as usual - be warned about what you see and read on Internet, do
your own research and always question statements and conclusions until
you find verifyable references.

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Rush Dougherty
via EV
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:31 AM
To: 'Peri Hartman'; 'EVDL'
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

Peri -

Good for you for 'skimming' the article, but I've always found that the
best way 
to understand what is actually being written is to 'read' the article.

So yup, you sure missed 'any mention', because it wasn't in there!

Read what I said again, you'll see that I never mentioned that the
article said 
that cars were going to be reprocessed. I said that it had happened in
the past, 
if you didn't know or had forgotten. I was informing you of an act that
actually 
happened in the past or reminding you of that fact if you happened to
let it slip 
your mind...

Kidding aside, it is getting more and more important to read the full
article and 
then discern what is actually being said - an example is that on FB
somebody 
posted a link to a video by PragerU that was slick and seemingly
positive about 
why we need the Electoral College. I looked a little more into PragerU
and found 
that the founder is a very very right wing conservative 
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/05/01/fracking-titans-bankrolling-
right-wing-indoctrination-effort-schools-investigation 
that gets massive $$ from the fracking industry and puts out videos that
on the 
surface look great, but when you really listen to what they are saying,
they are 
pushing their own agenda and are very deceptive.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: Peri Hartman [mailto:pe...@kotatko.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:16 AM
> To: Rush Dougherty; EVDL
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -
>
> Perhaps I missed it while skimming the article, but I didn't see any
mention of 
> crushing
> vehicles who's title has been transferred to the "owner". When I got
my Leaf, I 
> read the
> agreement and I am certain it did not give Nissan any allowance to
repo the 
> vehicle, other
> than for non payment.
>
> Peri
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rush Dougherty via EV" 
> To: "EVDL" 
> Cc:
> Sent: 12-Nov-16 9:09:17 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -
>
>
>http://insideevs.com/automakers-ask-trump-to-ease-emissions-rules-ev-ma
> >ndates-ge
> >t-ready-for-a-war/
> >
> >It looks like Inside EV's thinks that the EV road is going to be full
> >of potholes in the future...
> >
> >For those of you that actually want EV's, you might read the article.
> >For those
> >of you hypocritical EV 'proponents' that speak with 'forked tongues',
> >just continue thinking that everything is alright until the OEM Auto
> >manufactures (except Tesla of course) come and take your EV and crush
> >it...
> >
> >This has happened in the past if you didn't know or have forgotten,
> >EV's were reprocessed and crushed...
> >
> >Rush Dougherty
> >Tucson AZ 85719
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Automakers lobby for "relief" from EVs

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

tomw wrote -
> As for crushing cars, that's nonsense.

WHAT? Are my eyes deceiving me??? You can't actually tell me that you don't know
how the EV1 met its end?

You sound just like Turnip when he says "The concept of global warming was
created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing
non-competitive."
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en

Here's a link to the EV1 website http://www.ev1.org/, scroll down to the 2nd
picture, those are EV1's that have been CRUSHED.


Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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Re: [EVDL] Automakers lobby for "relief" from EVs

[Peri Hartman via EV]

So far, everything about what Trump will do is speculation. He has said 
everything and yet said nothing. While I doubt I will find his policies 
resemble anything favorable to EVs, I think he realizes he can't 
unilaterally control congress. Campaigning is a game which, evidently, 
he is very good at. Being president is another. And many in congress are 
concerned about getting reelected in two years with an overall 
constituency roughly split 50-50 between dems and repubs. Nothing is 
obvious at this point.


Peri

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Cc:
Sent: 12-Nov-16 10:15:53 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Automakers lobby for "relief" from EVs

Trump has said many things.  He said Saudi Arabia should give the U.S. 
free
oil for 10 years.  He also plans to open more public lands for fossil 
fuel
extraction.  Which refiners are going to pay for 
more-expensive-to-produce
oil from fracking when Saudia Arabia is giving them oil?  He said he 
will
place tariffs on imports to protect American jobs.  What about 
companies and
their employees who use some of those imports in producing their 
products?
It is well-known that tariffs benefit some while hurting others.  Life 
is

obviously not as simple as he portrays it.  I think we may be about to
receive a large scale lesson in that.

As for crushing cars, that's nonsense.  And all the rhetoric in the 
world
doesn't change the facts that (1) "tight oil" from shale is just a 
flash in
the pan, due to very high production decline rates, (2) kerogen, or 
"oil
shale" (not "shale oil" which is tight oil) has been worked on for at 
least

20 years and never proved to be economic to produce, (3) despite record
increases by oil companies in investment in exploration, discoveries of 
new

oil fields have declined over the last decade and most conventional oil
fields are in decline, meaning production from them is decreasing.  
That's
why they have been moving into natural gas fracking.  But the oil 
companies
are not going to tell the public that any more than Trump is going to 
admit
that he lies and grossly oversimplifies.  They will bluff as long as 
they

can.  Eventually it will become obvious to everyone that oil supply is
shrinking as demand increases due to the resulting increasing prices.  
No

one knows when the latter will exceed the former, but even the most
optimistic fossil fuel cheerleader, Daniel Yergin of CERA who has along
history of erroneously optimistic prognostications, says it will likely 
be
within 20-30 years.  That's a lot longer than 2 presidential terms 
though...


If we wait until demand is starting to exceed supply it will of course 
be
far too late. It takes generations to make such huge transitions in 
energy

supply and transportation, and you need the unrivaled energy density of
fossil fuels to help make that transition.  There is no doubt we will 
be
making some large transitions in the future.  The question is only when 
and
how effectively. But the only question in the minds of fossil fuel 
company
CEOs and their ilk is who is going to control the money and the power, 
and

that is what politics is all about.

And then there is climate change.  It's going to be interesting times, 
as

the curse goes.

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Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Peri -

Good for you for 'skimming' the article, but I've always found that the best 
way 
to understand what is actually being written is to 'read' the article.

So yup, you sure missed 'any mention', because it wasn't in there!

Read what I said again, you'll see that I never mentioned that the article said 
that cars were going to be reprocessed. I said that it had happened in the 
past, 
if you didn't know or had forgotten. I was informing you of an act that 
actually 
happened in the past or reminding you of that fact if you happened to let it 
slip 
your mind...

Kidding aside, it is getting more and more important to read the full article 
and 
then discern what is actually being said - an example is that on FB somebody 
posted a link to a video by PragerU that was slick and seemingly positive about 
why we need the Electoral College. I looked a little more into PragerU and 
found 
that the founder is a very very right wing conservative 
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/05/01/fracking-titans-bankrolling-right-wing-indoctrination-effort-schools-investigation
 
that gets massive $$ from the fracking industry and puts out videos that on the 
surface look great, but when you really listen to what they are saying, they 
are 
pushing their own agenda and are very deceptive.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: Peri Hartman [mailto:pe...@kotatko.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:16 AM
> To: Rush Dougherty; EVDL
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -
>
> Perhaps I missed it while skimming the article, but I didn't see any mention 
> of 
> crushing
> vehicles who's title has been transferred to the "owner". When I got my Leaf, 
> I 
> read the
> agreement and I am certain it did not give Nissan any allowance to repo the 
> vehicle, other
> than for non payment.
>
> Peri
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rush Dougherty via EV" 
> To: "EVDL" 
> Cc:
> Sent: 12-Nov-16 9:09:17 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -
>
> >http://insideevs.com/automakers-ask-trump-to-ease-emissions-rules-ev-ma
> >ndates-ge
> >t-ready-for-a-war/
> >
> >It looks like Inside EV's thinks that the EV road is going to be full
> >of potholes in the future...
> >
> >For those of you that actually want EV's, you might read the article.
> >For those
> >of you hypocritical EV 'proponents' that speak with 'forked tongues',
> >just continue thinking that everything is alright until the OEM Auto
> >manufactures (except Tesla of course) come and take your EV and crush
> >it...
> >
> >This has happened in the past if you didn't know or have forgotten,
> >EV's were reprocessed and crushed...
> >
> >Rush Dougherty
> >Tucson AZ 85719
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Automakers lobby for "relief" from EVs

[tomw via EV]

Trump has said many things.  He said Saudi Arabia should give the U.S. free
oil for 10 years.  He also plans to open more public lands for fossil fuel
extraction.  Which refiners are going to pay for more-expensive-to-produce
oil from fracking when Saudia Arabia is giving them oil?  He said he will
place tariffs on imports to protect American jobs.  What about companies and
their employees who use some of those imports in producing their products? 
It is well-known that tariffs benefit some while hurting others.  Life is
obviously not as simple as he portrays it.  I think we may be about to
receive a large scale lesson in that.  

As for crushing cars, that's nonsense.  And all the rhetoric in the world
doesn't change the facts that (1) "tight oil" from shale is just a flash in
the pan, due to very high production decline rates, (2) kerogen, or "oil
shale" (not "shale oil" which is tight oil) has been worked on for at least
20 years and never proved to be economic to produce, (3) despite record
increases by oil companies in investment in exploration, discoveries of new
oil fields have declined over the last decade and most conventional oil
fields are in decline, meaning production from them is decreasing.  That's
why they have been moving into natural gas fracking.  But the oil companies
are not going to tell the public that any more than Trump is going to admit
that he lies and grossly oversimplifies.  They will bluff as long as they
can.  Eventually it will become obvious to everyone that oil supply is
shrinking as demand increases due to the resulting increasing prices.  No
one knows when the latter will exceed the former, but even the most
optimistic fossil fuel cheerleader, Daniel Yergin of CERA who has along
history of erroneously optimistic prognostications, says it will likely be
within 20-30 years.  That's a lot longer than 2 presidential terms though...

If we wait until demand is starting to exceed supply it will of course be
far too late. It takes generations to make such huge transitions in energy
supply and transportation, and you need the unrivaled energy density of
fossil fuels to help make that transition.  There is no doubt we will be
making some large transitions in the future.  The question is only when and
how effectively. But the only question in the minds of fossil fuel company
CEOs and their ilk is who is going to control the money and the power, and
that is what politics is all about. 

And then there is climate change.  It's going to be interesting times, as
the curse goes. 

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Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[Marco Gaxiola via EV]

I guess Rush meant 'crushed' in a figured way because those crushed cars in
the 90's were leased and never owned.

But I think most of you intelligent people must know that there are many
ways of having you EVs 'crushed' by government not neccessarly by taking it
to a crusher machine...

..my comment:)


Marco Gaxiola
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On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> Perhaps I missed it while skimming the article, but I didn't see any
> mention of crushing vehicles who's title has been transferred to the
> "owner". When I got my Leaf, I read the agreement and I am certain it did
> not give Nissan any allowance to repo the vehicle, other than for non
> payment.
>
> Peri
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rush Dougherty via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> To: "EVDL" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: 12-Nov-16 9:09:17 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -
>
> http://insideevs.com/automakers-ask-trump-to-ease-emissions-
>> rules-ev-mandates-ge
>> t-ready-for-a-war/
>>
>> It looks like Inside EV's thinks that the EV road is going to be full of
>> potholes in the future...
>>
>> For those of you that actually want EV's, you might read the article. For
>> those
>> of you hypocritical EV 'proponents' that speak with 'forked tongues', just
>> continue thinking that everything is alright until the OEM Auto
>> manufactures
>> (except Tesla of course) come and take your EV and crush it...
>>
>> This has happened in the past if you didn't know or have forgotten, EV's
>> were
>> reprocessed and crushed...
>>
>> Rush Dougherty
>> Tucson AZ 85719
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Perhaps I missed it while skimming the article, but I didn't see any 
mention of crushing vehicles who's title has been transferred to the 
"owner". When I got my Leaf, I read the agreement and I am certain it 
did not give Nissan any allowance to repo the vehicle, other than for 
non payment.


Peri

-- Original Message --
From: "Rush Dougherty via EV" 
To: "EVDL" 
Cc:
Sent: 12-Nov-16 9:09:17 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -


http://insideevs.com/automakers-ask-trump-to-ease-emissions-rules-ev-mandates-ge
t-ready-for-a-war/

It looks like Inside EV's thinks that the EV road is going to be full 
of

potholes in the future...

For those of you that actually want EV's, you might read the article. 
For those
of you hypocritical EV 'proponents' that speak with 'forked tongues', 
just
continue thinking that everything is alright until the OEM Auto 
manufactures

(except Tesla of course) come and take your EV and crush it...

This has happened in the past if you didn't know or have forgotten, 
EV's were

reprocessed and crushed...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719




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[EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

http://insideevs.com/automakers-ask-trump-to-ease-emissions-rules-ev-mandates-ge
t-ready-for-a-war/

It looks like Inside EV's thinks that the EV road is going to be full of
potholes in the future...

For those of you that actually want EV's, you might read the article. For those
of you hypocritical EV 'proponents' that speak with 'forked tongues', just
continue thinking that everything is alright until the OEM Auto manufactures
(except Tesla of course) come and take your EV and crush it...

This has happened in the past if you didn't know or have forgotten, EV's were
reprocessed and crushed...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719




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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161112

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-X-EV-Drives-200mi-Wins-Drag-Race-amp-Still-Has-Range-To-Spare-v-td4684432.html
EVLN: Tesla-X EV Drives 200mi, Wins Drag Race& Still Has Range To Spare (v)
Top Gear's Rory opens the video making viewers aware that electric cars are
... 200 miles in, this mammoth SUV still has 21 miles of range to spare ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-71-Year-Old-Just-Made-His-Own-Electric-Vehicle-td4684431.html
EVLN: 71-Year Old Just Made His Own Electric Vehicle
There is a new kid on the block in the electric vehicle community, Le Guider
International ...  this new, innovative company is guided ... Using
alternating current power with …

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EV-users-talk-about-the-pros-amp-cons-of-owning-and-using-EVs-in-Nepal-td4684430.html
EVLN: EV users talk about the pros& cons of owning and using EVs in Nepal
Electric vehicles (EV) are steadily gaining ground not only around the world
but in Nepal as well. It certainly doesn't make for a rare sight on our
streets anymore ...

+
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/42kWh-FormulaE-racing-EVs-recharge-via-cleaner-gensets-on-glycerin-not-coal-td4684429.html
42kWh FormulaE racing-EVs recharge via cleaner gensets on glycerin (not
coal)
'You’d better eat the whole pig'




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