[EVDL] Drones rid island of rat plague

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

https://www.electricvehiclesresearch.com/articles/16463/drones-rid-island-of-rat
-plague

Here's a very scary application of how electric motors are being used...

"The use of drones is more precise; it also increases feasibility, and reduces
eradication costs of invasive rodents in small and midsize islands worldwide,"
said Karl Campbell, Island Conservation South American Regional Director.
Prior to the application, tests and measurements were carried out to guarantee
correct bait dispersion on the targeted area.

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[EVDL] The Transition to Electric and Hybrid Boats and Ships: Markets and Drivers - Webinar

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's something that might interest some of the EVDL, since many of you do have
electric boats -
Reminder Of A Free Webinar by IDTechEx Thursday 7 February 2019
The Transition to Electric and Hybrid Boats and Ships: Markets and Drivers

https://www.idtechex.com/research/webinars/the-transition-to-electric-and-hybrid
-boats-and-ships-markets-and-drivers-00206.asp

Since it's a long URL, it will probably wrap and be broken. And since some of us
don't know how to 'repair' that problem, I've made a Bitly url link, like David
R does, that is much shorter

https://bit.ly/2SirfJz

Also if any of you have any experience/knowledge of getting NMEA 2000 to talk to
a PC, let me know off list.

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[EVDL] All high-powered EV charging stations are coming back online after shutdown

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

https://electrek.co/2019/01/30/high-powered-ev-charging-stations-online-after-sh
utdown/

Here's a follow up article about the article that came thru a couple days ago.
It seems that the problem was with a first-gen prototype station at a test site
and not a production model.

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[EVDL] Tesla Model 3 Battery Current Collector: Radically Different Design

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-battery-current-collector-design/

Here's an article that describes M3's battery orientation, which is radically
different than the S or X. It allows for tighter packing of the cells and
therefor a smaller physical sized pack for the same amps. It also means a
lighter pack since the current collectors are thinner. It also shows again that
Tesla uses wire for fuses.

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[EVDL] Hyundai reveals full Kona EV U.S. prices - starting at $36, 450

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's a news item in my news feed that might be helpful to some of us EVer's...
I'm currently on the M3 waiting list and find that the wait is getting to be a
little long, so I'm actively looking at other EV's

https://electrek.co/2019/01/28/hyundai-kona-ev-us-pricing/

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[EVDL] Tesla owner 3D prints rear seat locks

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's a Tesla article from one of my news feeds that I thought might be
interesting and useful to our community seeing that we have a number of Tesla
owners who could benefit...
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-diy-anti-theft-rear-seat-locking-mechani
sm/

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[EVDL] Tesla on fire on youtube

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Hi all,

I was looking thru my utube feed and came across this -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eFM9JJMH_0   Tesla Model X Fire (Lake Forest,
California),

I don't know if Bruce added a link in one of his reporting emails, I don't
remember one about this, I may have used the delete button as I usually do (and
as so many people have recently advised me to do).

In any case here is a 4 minute visual record of some of what happens when a
Tesla battery pack catches fire and the reactions of EMS. As usual there is
comment after comment about the video, some of which shows some good technical
info and others which just show how stupid some can be.

 Rush Dougherty
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[EVDL] 'Vandels took the handle...'

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's a Tesla Supercharger story about how some of our public is treating the
Superchargers.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-supercharger-attack-vandalism-drilled-charging-p
lugs-cut-cables/

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Re: [EVDL] (more) EVcrash: Speeding-teen split Tesla-X in-half &on-fire Rindge-NH

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Hi all,

I'm tired of seeing all these reports about Tesla accidents. Yes, it's sad to 
hear 
about people being hurt, but it really is nothing more than a car accident 
story 
and I really see no reason to have them part of our 'newsfeed'.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 7:16 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: brucedp5
> Subject: [EVDL] (more) EVcrash: Speeding-teen split Tesla-X in-half &on-fire
> Rindge-NH
>
>
>
> % NH media slow to provide details on weeks old item %
>
> [ref
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVcrash-Speeding-
> teen-split-Tesla-X-in-half-on-fire-Rindge-NH-tp4692387.html
> EVcrash: Speeding-teen split Tesla-X in-half &on-fire Rindge-NH Neighbors
> helped save lives after fiery Tesla X crash in Rindge Dec 31, 2018 ]
>
> https://www.concordmonitor.com/tesla-crash-new-ipswich-fatal-22971318
> New Ipswich teen's death is state's first fatality involving an electric car 
> January
> 24, 2019  DAVID BROOKS
>
> [images
> https://www.concordmonitor.com/getattachment/0140e826-b217-4987-904d-
> 566992b1087f/teslaCrash-cm-012319-ph01
> 19-year-old New Ipswich girl was killed following a fiery crash on Perry Road 
> in
> Rindge last month involving a Tesla Model X electric car  / Courtesy
>
> https://www.concordmonitor.com/getattachment/c18dd992-229d-4573-adf2-
> 1f8c81f2b445/teslaCrash-cm-012319-ph02
> Three local teens were seriously injured in a fiery crash on Perry Road in 
> Rindge
> Wednesday night
>
> https://www.concordmonitor.com/getattachment/6cf10f1a-978b-4fed-b94f-
> c7703a14f534/teslaCrash-cm-012319-ph03
> A 2017 Tesla Model X was split in two and caught on fire after a crash on 
> Perry
> Road in Rindge Wednesday night  / Michelle Barnhart
>
> https://www.concordmonitor.com/getattachment/d416f86a-4fc8-4bad-b274-
> 76e7045aed70/teslaCrash-cm-012319-ph04
> A 2017 Tesla Model X was split in two and caught on fire after a crash on 
> Perry
> Road in Rindge Wednesday night
>
> https://www.concordmonitor.com/getattachment/bb2a8292-9d4e-4030-9cbd-
> 0958b0f18107/teslaCrash-cm-012319-ph05
> ]
>
> The death of a woman who was burned when the Tesla Model X in which she
> was riding hit a tree is the first fatal accident involving an electric car 
> in 
> New
> Hampshire, raising the issue of emergency services' preparation for dealing 
> with
> this new technology.
>
> "I believe there's going to be a lot of work with this, with us, with the 
> state, 
> with
> Tesla, looking at what do we need to know," said Rickard Donovan, fire chief 
> in
> the town of Rindge, scene of the December one-car crash. "There have been a
> lot of inquiries I have been getting about this."
>
> The accident happened Dec. 26, when a 2017 Tesla Model X, the SUV version of
> the electric company's car, crashed on Perry Road in Rindge at about 8 p.m.
> The vehicle broke into two pieces and burst into flames, igniting some brush
> and trees.
>
> Nina Colasanto of New Ipswich, who had turned 19 that day, was pulled from
> the wreckage by friends and passersby. She died Saturday after a series of
> surgeries treating extensive burns.
>
> Colasanto is the first person in New Hampshire to die as the result of an
> accident involved an all-electric vehicle, according to Michael Todd, 
> spokesman
> for the New Hampshire State Police.
>
> The driver of the Tesla, 17-year-old Travis Olson of Rindge, and a second
> passenger were injured, but not seriously. The accident is still under
> investigation by the New Hampshire State Police, according to Rindge police.
> Lithium-ion batteries
>
> Electric cars are powered by hundreds of individual lithium-ion batteries
> connected together. Lithium-ion batteries in laptop computers, cell phones and
> other devices have been known to burst into flame, especially if they get
> damaged.
>
> A story after the accident in the Monadnock Ledger-Transcript quoted a person
> living near the accident who described how the flames reacted after the
> accident.
>
> "So that was a lithium-ion battery that was on fire, which was pretty scary,"
> Michelle Barnhart was quoted as saying. "Every time it hit another cell in the
> battery it exploded again."
>
> However, it's not clear whether electric cars like the Tesla are more or less 
> to
> fires or explosions after accidents, compared to traditional cars carrying
> flammable gasoline or diesel fuel.
>
> A 2017 study done for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administra

[EVDL] Tesla tows Pickup truck

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

http://www.thedrive.com/news/25746/tesla-model-x-owner-de-ices-supercharger-by-t
owing-away-parked-chevrolet-silverado

Hook'em up!

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719




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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Or you can see what my father did - www.Airphibian.com
(Sorry some of the links are outdated)
One of the 5 manufactured (with FAA numbers) is in the National Air and Space 
Museum
https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/fulton-airphibian-fa-3-101 notice 
the N number on the tail.

As a child I remember flying in it

And one of the iterations had a Generator that was hung off the rear of the 
Lycoming motor that charged 2 large 12v batteries in series for 24v to drive 
the 
electric motors in the front wheels. That one was too heavy for economical 
flight.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 8:06 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: Peri Hartman
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year
>
> There are some pretty significant restrictions on flying over urban areas.
> Requires a pilot's license, for one. You must be at least 1000'
> above inhabited areas and you must also fly in the appropriate airspace.
> If AI were far along to automate the entire flight, we'd see it in use for 
> private
> pilots right now.
>
> Anyway, the idea's been around for a while. Check this out (OT):
> https://books.google.com/books?id=htcDMBAJ&pg=PA4#v=onepage&q&f=
> false
> Go to page 87.
>
> Peri
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rod Hower via EV" 
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: "Rod Hower" 
> Sent: 28-Dec-18 6:46:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year
>
> >  Who was elected in 2016? Case closed
> >
> > On ?Friday?, ?December? ?28?, ?2018? ?09?:?42?:?14? ?PM? ?EST, Alan 
> > Arrison via EV
>  wrote:
> >
> >  Does anyone believe this nonsense?
> >
> >Al
> >
> >On 12/28/2018 6:26 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.timesofisrael.com/husband-and-wife-duo-sets-sights-on-fly
> >> ing-cars-over-san-francisco-next-year/
> >>  Husband-and-wife duo sets sights on flying cars over San Francisco
> >> next year
> >>  25 December 2018  Federico Maccioni
> >>
> >>  [image
> >>
> >> https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/12/28-1-e1545231057
> >> 248.jpg  Illustrative detail image of a vehicle from New Future
> >> Transportation.
> >>  (Courtesy)
> >>  ]
> >>
> >>  New Future Transportation (NFT) is developing an electric car
> >> prototype with  wings that aims to solve congestion and also be
> >> affordable at $50,000
> >>
> >>  You start the car, pull out of the parking lot and hit the road. So
> >> far - a  routine trip. Now, select flight mode. A pair of wings comes
> >> out of the  sides of your vehicle and you take off for your destination.
> >>
> >>  Like the cars in Ridley Scott's masterpiece "Blade Runner" flying
> >> over a  dystopian Los Angeles of 2019 [
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRXifdYkWvY
> >>  ], the prototype of the vehicle being developed by Silicon
> >> Valley-based New  Future Transportation [  https://www.nxtft.com/  ]
> >> (NFT) is theoretically set to sail the skies of the Bay Area in
> >> October  next year.
> >>
> >>  "Our mission is not transportation, but better quality of life,"
> >> said NFT  chairman Guy Kaplinsky, an Israeli who, with his wife Maki
> >> Kaplinsky,  designed the car.
> >>
> >>  The two entrepreneurs live near Palo Alto, about 50 miles from San
> >> Francisco, because "houses are more beautiful and cheaper" than in
> >> the  metropolis, they said. However, for people who need to get to
> >> work near the  Golden Gate Bridge, it takes as much as two and a half
> >> hours by car, because  of traffic congestion.
> >>
> >>  [image]  Maki Kaplinsky, a co-founder of New Future Transportation, NFT 
> >> Inc.
> >>  (Courtesy)
> >>
> >>  According to a study by inrix.com, people in the San Francisco area
> >> spent on  average 79 peak hours stuck in traffic in 2017, ranking the
> >> city the third  out of 297 cities in the US and fifth out of 1,360
> >> urban centers around the  world in driving time spent in congestion.
> >>
> >>  Kaplinsky said their competitively priced flying vehicle will allow
> >> users to  save time and money.
> >>
> >>  The flying car prototype will be a zero-emission multi

Re: [EVDL] Solar powered box truck / RV driving from Alaska to the tip of South America

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

And if you want to see my PV on my RV, an article that I wrote for Home Power in
August of 1998.
http://tucsonev.com/RV_PV.pdf

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Jay Summet via EV
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:00 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: Jay Summet
> Subject: [EVDL] Solar powered box truck / RV driving from Alaska to the tip of
> South America
>
> For those interested in solar panels on vehicles or solar RV's:
>
> Two guys added 6000 watts of solar panels (two slide out "wings" under a main
> set on the roof, plus extra "satellite" panels they can put out on stands to a
> commercially made International ESTAR (2010) electric box van.  The van has a
> 80 kWh traction pack, and they added a 40 kwh (24v) battery that the solar
> system charges, plus an 8kW inverter that they use to charge the van's main
> battery from their solar battery.
>
> So far they've made it from Alaska to Vancouver (waiting for Visa's to enter
the
> US).
>
> video overview:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMeqMmERtL0
>
> Website:
> https://www.routedelsol.com/
>
>
> Jay
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Re: [EVDL] Recommendations for Maxi-scoot EVs

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Check out this https://www.arcimoto.com/

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Matt Lacey via EV
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 12:23 AM
> To: nsprieg via EV
> Cc: Matt Lacey; nsprieg
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Recommendations for Maxi-scoot EVs
>
> There's also the Vectrix,  only available second hand though,  and helps if 
> you
> are happy to work on your own bike
>
> ZEV are on par with Chinese scooters, specs are inflated on all units
>
> ?Sent from BlueMail
>
> On 16 Dec. 2018, 14:27, at 14:27, nsprieg via EV  wrote:
> >It is time I take my 2-wheeling to the electric era. With ongoing
> >health issues a large motorcycle is just not safe. So I am searching
> >out my options for a production maxi-scooter style (or similar) EV.
> >Hopefully the people on this list can recommend a few? Needs to be at
> >least limited distance highway capable (so 60mph-ish), 350lb carrying
> >capacity and 40 mile minimum range. Pretty hefty set of requirements!
> >At the least Z Electric Vehicles (ZEV) has their LRC and S series, with
> >the higher-capacity T series reaching those numbers. The BMW
> >C-evolution also reaches that goal, but at quite the cost. At that
> >amount I may as well buy a used EV car. Any others out there I missed?
> >
> >Thank you,
> >Nathan
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[EVDL] Battery/Lithium/NiMH recycler

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Found this how do batteries get recycled on youtube -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMn-sDvgj4Q

Very, very basic, but it is a business and they do them all...

Rush Dougherty
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's an Electrek article from Jun. 4th 2018, just a couple months ago -
https://electrek.co/2018/06/04/tesla-model-3-reservations-refunded-report/

Basically it states that there were 450,000 M3 reservations at the end of Q1,
and that maybe  "23 percent of deposits have been refunded". So that means that
there could be up to 346,500 M3 reservations still waiting to be fulfilled.

I'm one of them...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator
via
> EV
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 9:51 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: EVDL Administrator
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid
>
> On 11 Dec 2018 at 14:18, paul dove via EV wrote:
>
> > There were 6 million vehicles sold in the US in 2017. 50,000 model 3's
> > is a niche.
>
> From July through October of 2018, Tesla sold 72,050 model 3 cars.  In the
same
> period, Toyota sold 87,912 Corollas.  So Tesla is right on their tail, only
18%
> fewer, and a Toyota Corolla isn't what I'd call a niche vehicle.
>
> During that same time, Nissan moved just  5,261 Leaves.  During the same
> period in 2017 (I can't find 2018 sales figures), Chevrolet shifted 24% more
> Corvettes (6,529).  The Corvette is unquestionably a niche car, so if Leaves
sell
> even more slowly, what should we call the Leaf?
>
> I wish it weren't so, but there it is.  The Leaf is a niche vehicle.  But the
good
> news is that Tesla 3 is NOT, at least right now.
>
> Will Tesla 3 sales hold up once the tax credits are gone?  Who knows, but I'll
say
> this, right now Tesla is by miles the EV sales leader.  I never expected to
see
> those kinds of sales numbers for ANY EV this early in the 21st century.
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] MORE RIVIAN News

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Deliveries are expected to begin in "late 2020."

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [EVDL] MORE RIVIAN News
>
>  From "CHARGED"  ev magazine
>
> (
> https://chargedevs.com/newswire/rivian-reveals-impressive-electric-pickup-
> truck-and-suv/
> )
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's another way Tesla's or for that matter, anything, gets misaligned... 
somebody just repeats what somebody else told them. And in this case according 
to 
a latter post by Paul who has a Tesla - "My car says I can supercharge for 8 
and 
change it's less than $9 for 75kw so that is like 11 cents a kilowatt."

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

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> I've been told $20.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

I guess safety is also included in the 'surveillance' electronics that are
incorporated in a Tesla...

https://jalopnik.com/how-tesla-made-the-model-3-so-safe-1829610576
and
https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-xs-sand-rollover-test-is-fascinating-182620
7350

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[EVDL] Charging a Tesla

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Haudy Kazemi wrote in the [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla thread on Monday,
October 08, 2018 9:57 PM -
> -Supercharger access can be remotely disabled after purchase. This is known to
> have happened for cars that have been in accidents (however big or small,
> whether just cosmetic only or not) where Tesla hasn't been engaged and paid to
> reinspect and repair the car.

Regular charging using 120 or 240 can also be disabled remotely. I had a client
that bought a J1772 to Tesla cord from me to charge the Tesla he just bought at
an auction. He already had a J1772 EVSE and wanted to use that instead of buying
an UMC. My cord wouldn't work on his Tesla and his J1772 EVSE was working fine,
so naturally he assumed it was the cord. We talked about it, I sent him some
tests to make, he did them and the cord was functioning as it was supposed to.

He called Tesla and they finally figured out that the car had not be registered
so charging, all charging, had been disabled. A few minutes after the Tesla
phone call the car was charging fine.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

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Re: [EVDL] Wanted: Cyclone 4000 watt bare motor.

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

It works with a little massaging...
https://lunacycle.com/parts/cyclone-parts/cyclone-double-sprocket-kit-for-trikes-recumbents-and-pedicabs/


Rush Dougherty
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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of ken via EV
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 3:28 PM
> To: Lawrence Rhodes; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: ken
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Wanted: Cyclone 4000 watt bare motor.
>
> Your link doesn't work.
>
> I have a 1000 watt 72 volt hub motor.
>
> On Mon, October 8, 2018 4:06 pm, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> > I am looking to convert my Steintrike to electric drive.  I will use a
> > double sprocket/jackshaft to combine my pedaling to a rear mounted motor.
> > This system is attractive because of cruise control and pedal cadence
> > sensors.  If someone has a better option for under 500 dollars I may
> > change my idea.  Thanks for any help.  Links below to pictures of what
> > I have in mind. Will power using 8 Leaf battery modules.  Will use the
> > stock 40 amp controller.  If you have parts I need in addition to the
> > motor I will buy them from you.  Parts needed: 2, 3 or 4 thousand watt
> > Cyclone/Luna motor. Cadence sensor, cruise control, 40 amp
> > controller(larger considered if it is Luna and compatible with other
> > components). Lawrence Rhodes
> > http://www.cyclone-tw.com/recumbent.htmhttps://lunacycle.com/parts/cyc
> > lon
> > e-parts/cyclone-double-sprocket-kit-for-trikes-recumbents-and-pedicabs
> > /
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[EVDL] Tesla lightening and now comes the thunder

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here is a good link with some info about Tesla and other EV sales -

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/06/tesla-model-3-lighting-model-y-thunder/

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[EVDL] China Tariffs and J1772 and everything else

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Hi all,
I've just learned that the tariff on the J1772 Plugs and Inlets that I import
from China went up from 2.7% to 12.7% on September 24th and will go up to 27.7%
on Jan 1, 2019.

It's my understanding that the 25% increase on Jan 1, 2019 is basically across
the board on all things imported from China...

That means that the Chademo Inlet I sell now at $650 will cost another $180 or
so. Looks like the cost of being an American has just increased.

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[EVDL] Call to action -- $7500 Federal Tax Credit

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Hi all - I got this from the EAA, and as I'm sure many of you are members of the
EAA, there are probably some of the EVDL members that don't even know what the
EAA is... here's a link http://electricauto.org/ if you're not a member you
certainly should join.

Anyway, here's the email -

"Greetings from the EAA Board,

As many of you are aware, the $7500 Federal Tax Credit begins to be phased out
once a manufacturer delivers it 200,000th electric vehicle.  Tesla has now hit
that limit and GM is expected to hit that limit either this fiscal quarter or
the next.

Representative Peter Welch (D-VT) has introduced a bill to the House Ways and
Means Committee that would remove that 200,000 car cap and is proposing a
calendar-based the phase-out.  You can read the proposed bill here. There are
eight Democratic cosponsors to this bill.
The EAA has reached out to the office of Rep. Peter Welsh and asked how our
members can help.  They responded by asking for letters of support be written;
specifically asking for additional cosponsors.  The EAA board asks that our
members write their representative in Congress and ask them to cosponsor H.R.
6274.  You can find out who your representative is here by simply typing in your
zip code.  This will also link you to your representative's webpage; contacting
them is then typically only a few clicks away. We've attached a candidate letter
for you to submit.  There are also many smartphone apps that will accomplish
this such as  Countable. In short, contacting your elected officials has never
been easier.

It would be particularly advantageous if a Republican member of the House Ways
and Means committee could be persuaded to cosponsor HR 6274.  These
representatives are listed to the right.

Sincerely,

John Higham
EAA Legislative
Republican members of the House Ways and Means committee:

.   Kevin Brady (TX)
.   Sam Johnson (TX)
.   Devin Nunes (CA)
.   Dave Reichert (WA)
.   Peter Roskam (IL)
.   Vern Buchanan (FL)
.   Adrian Smith (NE)
.   Lynn Jenkins (KS)
.   Erik Paulsen (MN)
.   Kenny Marchant (TX)
.   Diane Black (TN)
.   Tom Reed (NY)
.   Mike Kelly (PA)
.   Jim Renacci (OH)
.   Kristi Noem (SD)
.   George Holding (NC)
.   Jason Smith (MO)
.   Tom Rice (SC)
.   David Schweikert (AZ)
.   Jackie Walorski (IN)
.   Carlos Curbelo (FL)
.   Mike Bishop (MI)
.   Darin LaHood (IL)
.   Brad Wenstrup (OH)

if you happen to live in one of these districts we would especially encourage
you to write."

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla Tap...I bought one.

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Clear as mud... I think your story is just what you say it is - a story...

Can you mention any company names? Or is that not possible...

I only know of two companies that are selling the TeslaTap, QCP and UMC-J1772, 
and 
they are both exactly the same...  and manufactured by UMC-J1772. The TeslaTap 
is 
machined from a solid block of hard black plastic (don't know the name), and if 
you ran over it with your car, you'd feel a bump and it wouldn't hurt the Tesla 
Inlet at all... It is the J1772 Plug that would break first.

Rush Dougherty
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Tucson AZ 85719

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> EV
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 9:28 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: Lawrence Rhodes
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Tap...I bought one.
>
> The story I got is the Tesla Tap is made with better insulation.  The other
> company is buying parts.  Putting together their version.  It according to the
> parts supplier is not insulated. If run over there could be a big problem.  
> Is 
> that
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla Tap...I bought one.

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Lawrence - In this case, I choose to support the manufacturer, UMC-J1772.

QCP is buying them from UMC-J1772 in volume at a discount and then reselling 
them 
at the same price as QCP. I could, as TucsonEV, done the same thing, but chose 
not 
to. One of my reasons is that there is the real danger of somebody who doesn't 
know what they are doing (there are many EV owners that don't know what they 
are 
doing), might plug it into a supercharger and his Leaf might do something very 
unexpected... as Willie pointed out.

UMC-J1772 states on their home page that they are the manufacturer of the 
TeslaTap 
etc...

What do you mean by your 'one with exposed pins' statement? Can you be a 
little clearer? Are you stating that they are different products, that one has 
been modified? How do you know this? Have you actually inspected one from QCP 
and 
one from UMC-J1772 to verify this?



Rush Dougherty
www.TucsonEV.com
Tucson AZ 85719

> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via
> EV
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:22 AM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: Lawrence Rhodes
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Tap...I bought one.
>
> So which is better, ethical and should be supported...in your opinion?  Not 
> sure
> who is who.  There is one with exposed pins which the manufacturer of the one
> with unexposed pins notified the manufacturer of the one with exposed pins to
> shield them.  This is starting to get confusing.  From what I know Tesla Tap 
> has 
> a
> urethane insert to protect from shorting in case of running over/other bad
> situations to the adapter.  Lawrence Rhodes
>
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 19:10:31 -0700
> From: "Rush Dougherty" <>
> To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Tap...I bought one.
> Message-ID: <084e01d40dbc$06b9a730$142cf590$@ironandwood.org>
>
> Yup, QCP has been selling them ever since http://www.umc-j1772.com/ started
> selling them. UMC-J1772 is the manufacturer, I bought one months ago to see
> what it was like and it works fine. I almost started to carry it, but figured 
> that
> since it is his product and his manufacturing he should reap the benefits.
>
> Rush Dougherty
> www.TucsonEV.com
> Tucson AZ 85719
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla Tap...I bought one.

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Yup, QCP has been selling them ever since http://www.umc-j1772.com/ started
selling them. UMC-J1772 is the manufacturer, I bought one months ago to see what
it was like and it works fine. I almost started to carry it, but figured that
since it is his product and his manufacturing he should reap the benefits.

Rush Dougherty
www.TucsonEV.com
Tucson AZ 85719


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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of David Nelson via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:04 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: David Nelson
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Tap...I bought one.
>
> Quick Charge Power has had an adapter for quite some time now:
> https://shop.quickchargepower.com/JDapter-Stub-Tesla-Charge-Station-
> Adaptor-JDPTRSTB.htm
>
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Re: [EVDL] DC charging handshake?

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Hi all,

Just to let you know www.TucsonEV.com carries the Yazaki produced Chademo inlet,
1m of wires, left hand door. I sell it for $650 plus shipping

Check out the link http://tucsonev.com/chademo.html

The part number on the page is the old one, the page needs to be updated to show
the new number. I just sent one to VN and another to the Czech Republic.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Collin Kidder via EV
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 4:55 PM
> To: jerry freedomev
> Cc: Collin Kidder; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] DC charging handshake?
>
> DC fast charging is a mess. You have:
>
> 1. CHAdeMO. It's currently maxed out at 500v and 125A so 62.5KW but nobody
> really can reach that peak. Most battery packs top out at 400v or so and thus
> you'd get 400 * 120 = 48KW peak. But, there is a new CHAdeMO standard that
> will support up to 400KW. This standard tends more toward European and
> Asian manufacturers
>
> 2. CCS/Combo - Allows for either AC or DC charging and up to 350kw.
> Favored more by domestic and some European makers.
>
> 3. Tesla super charger - obvious who this is favored by.
>
> The super charger is probably the one you were thinking of. They're popping up
> everywhere these days. They're over 100kw. But, you have to have a Tesla to
use
> them. Technically someone skilled in the black arts could probably hack them
to
> work on other things but that'd be illegal. You wouldn't have to worry about
> legality if you were building the EVSE side yourself. But, I have no idea
where
> you could get the plugs because they're only on Tesla super chargers. The car
> side you could at least get from a wrecked car. I suppose someone could 3D
> print the plug end but then you'd have to figure out if you wanted to trust a
3D
> printed part with 100KW running through the pins.
> Or, you know, you could sneak out at 1 in the morning with a pair of bolt
cutters
> and nevermind, bad idea. ;)
>
> As for CCS/Combo - it's a lot more complicated to interface with that.
> It's essentially industrial ethernet or something and not that easy to develop
> code for. Both CHAdeMO and Super Charger are CAN based (single wire CAN for
> Tesla but still CAN). That's easier to work with and there is plenty of
hardware
> available for the job.
>
> If you're looking for the most common type, its probably the super charger but
> you don't need common, you need possible to acquire the parts and build
> something. The most likely bet there is CHAdeMO but the inlets are something
> like $1000-$1500 a piece and the plug/cord for the EVSE side is about $2500
last
> I knew. That puts you right around $4000 just for the connectors on both
sides.
> OUCH!
>
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 7:20 PM, jerry freedomev 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Collin nd All,
> >  Since I'm not fluent in CANbus I guess I'll need a pre
> > set comm card.
> >   I'm of need of just the car side for charging though for my direct
> > solar charging I'll need the charger side at least to get access to the
pack.
> > I'm thinking of a used inlet as likely a new one is too
> > costly if one can be found.
> > Is CHadeMO the one that is likely to be wide spread in the
> > future 100kw and up units in the US?
> >Thanks,
> >  Jerry Dycus
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Collin Kidder 
> > To: jerry freedomev ; Electric Vehicle Discussion
> > List 
> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 5:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] DC charging handshake?
> >
> > Well, you weren't specific but you might have meant CHAdeMO DC fast
> > charging. I'm going to assume such and if that wasn't the case you'll
> > have to be more specific.
> >
> > If you need to produce the car side CHAdeMO comm then you'll need a
> > way to connect to a CAN bus and you will need two inputs and two
> > outputs. The outputs drive relays so you might want your MCU outputs
> > to go to MOSFETs. Then you need code like this:
> > https://github.com/collin80/JLD505/tree/debug
> >
> > If you need the EVSE side then you still need to speak CAN and have a
> > way to selectively provide the DC voltage (and at a variable voltage
> > too so you probably need some sort of DC/DC). I don't have existing
> > code to copy for the EVSE side yet. But you might be able to
> > figure out what it is expected to do by looking at the car si

Re: [EVDL] Juicebox

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

TucsonEV.com sells the KHONS 32A EVSE for $350. It has a readout that shows 
Charging Status, Accumulated kWh, Charging time, Supply Amps and Volts, Elapsed 
charge time, charging Amps, EVSE temperature and kW. It is a very compact and 
portable unit, about the size of a Tesla UMC. It comes with a 14-50 plug.

Here is a link to a review by John Woodell -
https://medium.com/@JohnWoodell/khons-32-amp-charging-cable-review-4d6a389e26c6

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via
> EV
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 11:13 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: Cor van de Water
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
>
> Hi Evan,
> For the DC chargers, it was decided that there is not enough market to make
> direct sales worthwhile, that is why the links were removed from the website.
> We do still sell complete built chargers to integrators, please contact 
> Dorian 
> in
> sales.
>
> Can't help you with a CCS inlet, I have (privately) bought DC fast charge 
> inlets 
> on
> Ebay from dismantlers.
>
> I do believe that we sell the Mennekes 3-phase inlet. 22kW would be the 32
> Amp variant.
> Our DC chargers can take either DC, single phase or 3-phase input, with as 
> only
> limitations The voltage in/out combinations depending on architecture (buck or
> boost or both) and max current.
> Hope this clarifies,
> Cor.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Evan Tuer via EV
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 10:28 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: Evan Tuer
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
>
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Cor van de Water via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Damon,
> > That would be me ??
> > Although the JuiceBox is created by another department, I was an early
> > adopter and participated in the very first Kickstarter for the JuiceBox.
> > With the 50 Amp outlet and the 40 Amp JuiceBox you are prepared to
> > enjoy faster charging of other vehicles, even of visiting friends with
> > Tesla's ??
> > At eMotorWerks I am mostly working on DC Fast Charging, a very
> > exciting field.
> >
>
>
> Hi Cor, it sure is exciting!  I remember a few years ago, EMW had for sale 
> kits 
> of
> serious chargers - 12kW or even more. What has happened to those, I was keen
> to buy one?
> I am currently looking for a CCS combo-type 2 inlet to add to my conversion,
> and/or an onboard AC 3 phase charger, 22kW or so.
>
> Cheers
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Re: [EVDL] EVsmuggler: HK$9.4M$120k iPhone bust> hidden in BYD EV pack

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

This is great news for those people that want to have their battery pack opened 
so 
they can use the batteries for other purposes... all you have to do is make it 
look like the battery pack has been tampered with and the customs will open it 
for 
you...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ


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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 1:55 AM
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> Subject: [EVDL] EVsmuggler: HK$9.4M$120k iPhone bust> hidden in BYD EV pack
>
>
>
> http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hong-kong-law-and-crime/article/2146367/electric-
> car-secret-compartment-used-smuggle
> Electric car with secret compartment used to smuggle phones and smartwatches 
> from Hong
> Kong to Shenzhen
> 16 May, 2018  Clifford Lo
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> One-third of the battery case at the bottom of the vehicle had been converted 
> into a secret
> compartment. Photo: Handout ]
>
> Customs officers arrest five men and seize HK$8 million in electronics
>
> Crime in Hong Kong ...
>
> A cross-border smuggling ring that used an electric car to transport goods 
> from 
> Hong Kong
> to Shenzhen to evade a hefty mainland tax was broken following the arrest of 
> five men and
> the seizure of HK$8 million (US$1
> million) worth of electronics.
>
> Most of the haul, including mobile phones, smartwatches and computer hard 
> disks, 
> was
> found in a hidden compartment in the battery case of the mainland brand BYD 
> electric car
> when the vehicle was intercepted by customs officers for inspection at the 
> Shenzhen Bay
> control point on Tuesday.
>
> The driver was arrested.
>
> In a follow-up operation, another four men, including the suspected 
> ringleader, 
> were picked
> up during a raid on a flat in Yuen Long.
>
> Hong Kong and Shenzhen authorities smash HK$620 million iPhone smuggling 
> operation
>
> "It is the first time an electric vehicle was found to have been used in 
> smuggling goods across
> the border," Assistant Superintendent Alan Lau Yau-lun of Customs' syndicate 
> crimes
> investigation bureau said.
>
> He said about one-third of the battery case at the bottom of the vehicle had 
> been converted
> into a secret compartment to hide the goods.
>
> The Post understands that the syndicate had been in operation for less than a 
> month.
>
> Initial investigations showed the group used the Yuen Long flat as its 
> storage 
> facility before
> transporting the smuggled goods into a cargo yard in the same district and 
> loading them into
> the electric car.
>
> Customs officers began investigating the syndicate about two weeks ago.
> After identifying the core members of the group and locating its storage 
> centre 
> and loading
> bay, customs officers intercepted the Shenzhen-bound electric car at the 
> control 
> centre at
> about noon on Tuesday and raided the flat and cargo yard three hours later ...
>
> A total of 1,576 mobile phones, 228 smartwatches and 45 hard disks were 
> seized. 
> The haul
> was worth about HK$8 million but could be sold for HK$9.4 million on the 
> mainland after
> taking the tax into account.
>
> As of Wednesday afternoon, the five Hongkongers, aged between 26 and 48, were 
> being
> held for questioning. None of them had been charged.
>
> In Hong Kong, importing and exporting unmanifested cargo carries a maximum 
> penalty of a
> seven-year jail term and a HK$2 million fine.
>
> Suspected smuggling activities can be reported to Customs' 24-hour hotline at 
> 2545?6182.
> [© 2018 South China Morning Post]
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Re: [EVDL] Adding J1772 Plug to a conversion

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

David wrote -

> You'd expect it to do this.

Actually David, there are a surprising number of people who don't expect this.
You'd be surprised at the number of people who write me and ask if they can
connect their 120vac charger into my J1772 Adapter Box when it is connected to a
public EVSE using the ground as a neutral. So the majority of people don't have
your knowledge of how the NEC code etc works...

Rush Dougherty
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Re: [EVDL] Adding J1772 Plug to a conversion

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Cor's statement . "And indeed, the EVSE receives phase, neutral and ground in
those cases" needs a little clarification. He is saying that the standard allows
for phase, neutral and ground and while that is true when we are dealing with
Level II, 208-240vac, there is no neutral supplied with the J1772 Plug. There
cannot be since the plug only has 2 power pins and one ground pin.

As I said in the majority of the public EVSE's, if the ground is used as a
neutral leg to get 120vac, the EVSE, according to the spec will ground fault.
The only exception that I am aware of is a Chargepoint EVSE that has an actual
5-15 receptacle in it for 120vac.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via
EV
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:49 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: Cor van de Water
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Adding J1772 Plug to a conversion
>
> All the so-called convenience chargers were 120V only with J1772 plug (until
recently, I have
> seen at least one OEM dual voltage one) so that is why the J1772 standard has
both 120V
> and 208/240V levels. And indeed, the EVSE receives phase, neutral and ground
in those
> cases.
> So yeah, the charger needs to accommodate all of this.
> I used to have a truck with a "Bycan" resonant transformer.
> It could be switched from 120V to 240Vinput.
> Obviously on a public charging station it needs to be  set to 240V problem was
it only
> received 208V and despite being a resonant transformer, the charging rate at
that speed
> was less than when charging from 120V.
> All modern chargers that I know of are multi voltage and have no problem with
the J1772 input
> of 120V or 240V AC, the only issue is that they are designed for a certain max
current, so
> automatically at 120V they can only operate at half the power as when they
receive 240V.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Rush Dougherty via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:15 PM
> To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
> Cc: Rush Dougherty
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Adding J1772 Plug to a conversion
>
> Hi Damon,
>
> All the Level II EVSE's are 220-208vac only, no 120vac at all. The J1772 Spec
does not allow
> for a neutral. The level II J1772 Plug has hot, hot and ground only, no
neutral. If you try to use
> the ground as a neutral the EVSE will fault.
> That being said Chargepoint does have an EVSE with a 120vac 5-15 plug in it,
but you still
> have to access the network to open access door and there are actually very few
of them
> around.
>
> So unless you have a 240vac capable charger for your truck, you won't be able
to use the
> Public EVSE's (unless you have a 240 to 120 transformer).
>
> I do have a J1772 Adapter Box on my website that will communicate with the
J1772 EVSE's
> to enable charging from them.
>
> Rush Dougherty
> Tucson AZ 85719
> www.TucsonEV.com
>
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > via EV
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:40 AM
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> > Subject: [EVDL] Adding J1772 Plug to a conversion
> >
> > I'm investigating making my Datsun Truck compatible with public
> > charging
> stations.  Does
> > anyone know of specific websites  or Discussion Forum threads I should
> > check
> out.   I
> > currently require a 120 volt 20 amp circuit to power my modular
> > charging
> solution, but I may
> > also look into adding a more traditional series charging solution if I
> > feel it
> would work better.
> >
> > thanks
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Re: [EVDL] Adding J1772 Plug to a conversion

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Hi Damon,

All the Level II EVSE's are 220-208vac only, no 120vac at all. The J1772 Spec
does not allow for a neutral. The level II J1772 Plug has hot, hot and ground
only, no neutral. If you try to use the ground as a neutral the EVSE will fault.
That being said Chargepoint does have an EVSE with a 120vac 5-15 plug in it, but
you still have to access the network to open access door and there are actually
very few of them around.

So unless you have a 240vac capable charger for your truck, you won't be able to
use the Public EVSE's (unless you have a 240 to 120 transformer).

I do have a J1772 Adapter Box on my website that will communicate with the J1772
EVSE's to enable charging from them.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719
www.TucsonEV.com


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> Subject: [EVDL] Adding J1772 Plug to a conversion
>
> I'm investigating making my Datsun Truck compatible with public charging
stations.  Does
> anyone know of specific websites  or Discussion Forum threads I should check
out.   I
> currently require a 120 volt 20 amp circuit to power my modular charging
solution, but I may
> also look into adding a more traditional series charging solution if I feel it
would work better.
>
> thanks
> Damon
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Re: [EVDL] Fast Charging... (Flywheel?)

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Caltech has a smart EV charging garage that controls 70 EVSE's, granted only
level II -
http://www.caltech.edu/news/smart-charging-network-evs-installed-caltech-50567

link to data
http://ev.caltech.edu/

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 4:43 PM
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> Cc: Peri Hartman
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fast Charging... (Flywheel?)
>
> Interesting thought. It might be a good alternative.
>
> But I'm thinking that a large battery (e.g. 100kWh) is cheaper, or at least
will be soon. I don't
> think one needs larger storage than the largest battery needing a charge. The
advantage of
> an on-site battery or flywheel, as I think you imply, is to allow a very rapid
charge without
> putting an excessive load on the power service.
>
> What will happen, though, if a service station has 10 or 15 ESVEs, which I
think would be
> realistic along freeways. During times of high occupancy, the overall load
will be more
> uniform. Someone will start charging, someone will stop. Meanwhile, 10 other
cars will be
> drawing full power. So, the starts and stops become less significant. In fact,
I suspect a little
> math would show a battery roughly equal to the capacity of one car is
sufficient regardless of
> the number of ESVEs.
>
> Anyway, it comes down to which costs less. Again, I'm pretty sure battery
technology will
> usurp anything mechanical.
>
> Peri
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" 
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Robert Bruninga" 
> Sent: 07-Feb-18 2:30:23 PM
> Subject: [EVDL] Fast Charging... (Flywheel?)
>
> >https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115199_what-electric-car-charging
> >-will-satisfy-a-mass-market-twitter-poll-results
> >
> >I wonder how big a flywheel is needed to store the energy to charge a
> >250
> >mile range in 20 minutes?
> >Since it is fixed, and does not have to be in a vehicle, it might be
> >the answer to large charging stations.
> >
> >When ten TESLAs pull up at ten fast charge cords at the same time, that
> >is over a megawatt of needed power... in 20 minutes...
> >
> >Bob
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[EVDL] Calif and Zero Emissions...

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

"The signal the administration is sending to auto companies is: Do whatever you
want," said Dan Becker, who runs the Safe Climate Campaign. "The world is
looking to California to resist these rollbacks that will not just impede the
growth of electric vehicles, but also the growth of more fuel-efficient gasoline
vehicles."

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.ht
ml

I think by now it is evident that trump does not support Electric Cars in any
way

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719




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[EVDL] Electric Caterpillar...

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's an electric dozer Caterpillar D7E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7JNPolgxDk

60% fewer parts...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719




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Re: [EVDL] Another recommendation for a drive way protection circuit....

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

I've had this discussion before and it someone said that the reason was basicly
for the Proximity switch. So that when the Latch on the plug was pushed it would
signal the contactor in the EV to open and stop the current flow so that there
would not be a hot disconnect.

I think it was also so that there would be a positive connection. I've
encountered quite a few people who have bought my J1772 Extension and haven't
fully plugged it in so that the latch would engage and send the 150 ohm signal
to the EV. With the latch not engaged the 480 ohm, do not charge signal is sent
to the charger in the EV.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 9:42 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: Bill Dube
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Another recommendation for a drive way protection
circuit
>
> I have never understood why the NEC _requires_ an EV charging plug be
"locking".
> It makes no sense.
>
> If you drive away (or the vehicle somehow rolls, is towed, or moves
> away) the plug should simply come out.
>
> As it is now, the locking plug won't give, so the cord breaks, or worse, the
charger rips from
> the wall, damaging the fixed wiring.
>
> The plug should not be _required_ to lock into place. It would be far safer to
simply have the
> plug come out when the vehicle moves and the cord is strained.
>
> Bill D.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Well those gusts of wind might actually help push him in the direction he was
going, so Lawrence could claim that he was also using wind power...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of clarke2 via EV
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:05 AM
> To: Rush Dougherty via EV
> Cc: clarke2
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation
>
> I don't think I would want a large flat plate trailer that was not heavy
enough to stay grounded
> in gusty winds.
>
> Dan
>
> Dan 520-834-4176 I10 and Twin Peaks
>
> On 12/29/2017 12:54 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote:
> > If you're maximizing your 'efficiency' then why use plywood? Nobody
> > that is trying to increase strength and lower weight using plywood
> > anymore, they use Carbon Fiber. So spend a few extra $k and invest in
> > a trailer that will weight 10lbs to hold your 2kw array.
> >
> > Rush Dougherty
> > Tucson AZ 85719
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence
> >> Rhodes via
> > EV
> >> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:59 AM
> >> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> >> Cc: Lawrence Rhodes
> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation
> >>
> >> If you scaled down and accepted kevel one charging you could use 550
> >> 5 inch
> > cells. 2000
> >> watts. Have a 8 x 12 foot tear drop trailer.  It might push you 15
> >> mph on
> > level ground or charge
> >> you in 21 hours.  Many variations for shape, power  and speed. I
> >> would have
> > eyelets on each
> >> corner to tie it down in high winds. The whole DIY build would be
> >> plywood on a
> > light weight
> >> trailer.Lawrence Rhodes
> >> https://youtu.be/dWxIbRXGSrs
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Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

If you're maximizing your 'efficiency' then why use plywood? Nobody that is
trying to increase strength and lower weight using plywood anymore, they use
Carbon Fiber. So spend a few extra $k and invest in a trailer that will weight
10lbs to hold your 2kw array.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via
EV
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:59 AM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: Lawrence Rhodes
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation
>
> If you scaled down and accepted kevel one charging you could use 550 5 inch
cells. 2000
> watts. Have a 8 x 12 foot tear drop trailer.  It might push you 15 mph on
level ground or charge
> you in 21 hours.  Many variations for shape, power  and speed. I would have
eyelets on each
> corner to tie it down in high winds. The whole DIY build would be plywood on a
light weight
> trailer.Lawrence Rhodes
> https://youtu.be/dWxIbRXGSrs
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Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's a link to trailer laws compiled by AAA - 
http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/trailer-dimensions/
this is what they say about Calif -
Total length: 65 feet (up to 75 feet in certain circumstances); trailer length: 
28 
feet 6 inches; motor home length: 40 feet (38 feet for a single-axle fifth 
wheel 
travel trailer; 40 feet for 2- or more axle fifth wheel travel trailer); width: 
102 inches (excluding safety equipment and RV appurtenances up to 6 inches); 
height: 13 feet 6 inches (14 feet on designated roads).

And I guess you're going to park it in your garage?

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via 
> EV
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: Lawrence Rhodes
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation
>
> A 10 by 62 foot array would be 12,000 watts at 22.5% efficiency.  Smaller as 
> the 
> efficiency
> goes up.  Cost would be based on cell cost.  3,500 cells at lets say 2 to 4 
> dollars each.7
> thousand to 14 thousand for the cells. You could cut down length a bit if 
> some 
> were supported
> by the vehicle.  Then you get into aerodynamic issues.  Speed would be cut.  
> So 
> many
> variables.  It's doable but the finished product has to be smaller and less 
> ranging.  It would
> have to be super light.  Like 1000 pounds or less.  A better option is to use 
> an 
> Ultravan and
> put 3kw on the roof.  Less range but cleaner.  Probably be able run 20 miles 
> an 
> hour infinitely.
> A purpose built vehicle would be best.  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] EVDL business: One address only please

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

I always do the reply to, not reply all. But I just noticed that when I hit
reply to for L Rhodes it includes his email also... I use outlook 2010. So I
went thru the last 20 or so emails and it happens only with one other person,
Peri Hartman. Odd anybody got some insight?

Rush Dougherty
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 10:12 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
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> Subject: [EVDL] EVDL business: One address only please
>
> I just pried loose 3 messages that the EVDL server had held on to because they
had multiple
> email addresses in the TO and/or CC field.
>
> The server does this mostly for the sake of privacy.  You never know when
someone might
> address a post to the list, and also to someone off the list.
> (Yes, this has happened, many times.) Such a person might not want his or her
email
> address given to almost 700 strangers.  I know I wouldn't.
>
> You can put all the extra addresses you want in the BCC field.
>
> To keep your message from being held as these were, please don't use "reply to
all" in your
> email client.
>
> Or, if you do, please delete all the addresses EXCEPT one: ev@lists.evdl.org
> -- or move the extras to the BCC field.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

>From 
https://www.wholesalesolar.com/1970270/astronergy/solar-panels/astronergy-chsm6610p-270-solar-panel

A 270 watt panel is 64.88" × 38.98".
Your guesstimate of 1 watts would require (1 /270) 37.037 panels.
Doing the math (64.88 x 38.98 x 37), that is 93573 sq inches.
There are 144 sq inches in a sq ft, so that is (93573/144) 649 sq ft, or a 
square 
25ft x 25ft.

Now I'm not going to say it is impossible, but it is downright foolish

Rush

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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via 
> EV
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 3:48 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: Lawrence Rhodes
> Subject: [EVDL] Solar trailer calculation
>
> Hi all,
> My math is good enough to figure out I get about my 30kw Leaf gets 4.5 miles 
> per 
> kw at
> 55mph more or less depending on wind.  What I'd like to know is what size 
> solar 
> panel would
> be needed to support that speed.  Now don't tell me it can't be done.  I just 
> want to know the
> formula for figuring it out.  My puny brain exploded when I thought of all 
> the 
> variables.  I do
> know that a 3000 watt system would charge my car in 10 hours.  I would just 
> like 
> to know the
> numbers of what would be needed for continuous power at speed.  I 
> guesstimated 
> it would be
> about 1 watts.  I'd just like the exact number.  Thanks,  Lawrence 
> Rhodes...the point is to
> build a teardrop solar range extender/RV that could charge while driving.
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Re: [EVDL] Best EV level 2 charging station with KWh display

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

It is an open source EVSE so if you check the website you'll find all the info 
there.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 6:31 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: Rod Hower
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Best EV level 2 charging station with KWh display
>
> Mark,What schematic and PCB program do they use for this project? (openEVse)
>
>
> On Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:34 PM, Mark Hanson via EV 
> 
> wrote:
>
>
>  Hi folks
> I've tried several different charging stations with a J1773 240vac connector. 
> The best with
> schematics and kWh time & amps is www.openevse.com.  And you can put a 
> dryer/stove
> plug on it for portability. Have a renewable energy Christmas Mark in Roanoke 
> VA
> Www.REEVAdiy.org see project gallery.
>
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Re: [EVDL] 22 U.S. mayors Urged Congress to Not Throw out EV Rebates: (Kill-Bill ... Koch-Kool-Aid)

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Bruce posted all these articles about the fact that this new 'Tax' bill is 
going 
to kill the federal EV credit.

Are people aware of this?

I certainly hope that they have written their representatives saying that they 
at 
least don't want the EV credit to be taken away, I have...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:41 AM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: brucedp5
> Subject: [EVDL] 22 U.S. mayors Urged Congress to Not Throw out EV Rebates: 
> (Kill-Bill ...
> Koch-Kool-Aid)
>
>
>
> [ref
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Kill-Bill-that-eliminates-nod-
> needed-7-5k-Fed-EV-Credit-Koch-Kool-Aid-inebriation-tp4688459p4688761.html
> ]
>
> http://www.motortrend.com/news/congress-urged-not-throw-ev-rebates/
> Congress Urged Not to Throw out EV Rebates December 8, 2017  Congress has been
> pushing to finalize a tax reform plan by the end of the year, and it could 
> have 
> consequences
> for the future of electric vehicles. Although the Senate wants to keep 
> federal 
> EV rebates, a
> proposal from the House would eliminate the $7,500 tax credit that consumers 
> receive for
> buying an electric vehicle. Now ...
> ...
> http://www.care2.com/causes/4-ways-the-gop-tax-plan-is-terrible-for-the-environment.html
> 4 Ways the GOP Tax Plan Is Terrible for the Environment December 8, 2017  At 
> points,
> Congress kicked around gutting the wind industry's tax energy credit by 40 
> percent, with solar
> energy taking additional but less devastating cuts. Although the Senate 
> ultimately decided not
> to include the ... A tax credit for electric vehicles is also in jeopardy. 
> Under 
> existing tax law,
> people who purchase an electric ...
> ...
> http://www.autonews.com/article/20171208/OEM05/171209790/congress-electric-vehicle-bill
> Mayors, industry press Congress to keep EV rebate in final tax bill December 
> 8, 
> 2017
> WASHINGTON -- Electric vehicle and clean-energy proponents are urging 
> Congress 
> to
> preserve a consumer tax credit they insist is critical to mass adoption of 
> the 
> technology . ...
> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-on-energy-mount-st-helens-eruption-risking-lives-
> 37-years-later/article/2177045
> Dec 8, 2017 ... AUTOMAKER TRADE GROUP URGES CONGRESS TO SAVE ELECTRIC
> CAR TAX CREDITS: The Electric Drive Transportation Association, representing 
> all
> segments of the electric car supply chain, sent a letter Thursday urging 
> Congress to save the
> $7,500 tax credit for electric vehicles in the tax reform legislation.
> The House version of the bill kills the subsidy, while the Senate does not.
> Now that both chambers have passed the bills, a conference committee has been 
> formed to
> reconcile the differences. So the credit could survive before going to 
> President 
> Trump's
> desk.
> "The Section 30D credit is working as intended to promote the deployment of 
> plug-in electric
> drive vehicles by multiple vehicle manufacturers and ensure that the United 
> States leads,
> rather than follows, in this critical advanced technology," said Genevieve 
> Cullen, the group's
> president. "U.S. leadership in EV technology expands our global 
> competitiveness 
> and
> creates domestic jobs."
> ...
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/climate/tax-overhaul-energy-wind-solar.html
> Renewable Energy Is Surging. The GOP Tax Bill Could Curtail That.
> Dec 7, 2017  The House bill's effects would be more direct, rolling back tax 
> credits for wind
> farms and electric vehicles, while increasing federal support for two nuclear 
> reactors under
> construction in Georgia. Fossil fuel producers are under little pressure in 
> either bill and some
> would stand to
> benefit: The Senate legislation would open the ...
> https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/12/07/climate/07CLI-TAXBILL1/07CLI-TAXBILL1-
> superJumbo-v2.jpg
> ...
> https://cleantechnica.com/2017/12/04/end-federal-ev-tax-credit-not-death-evs/
> End of Federal EV Tax Credit Would Not Be the Death of EVs Dec 4, 2017  
> Whether 
> or not
> the US Congress ends the tax credit for electric vehicles on December 31, 
> 2017, 
> it won't be
> a disaster for sales of electric cars in the US in 2018 and beyond. More on 
> that 
> in minute.
> First, when the Senate approved its version of new tax legislation on Friday, 
> December 1,
> there still was no mention of the ...
> https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/09/model-x-bike-rack-white-
> right-wide-beach-570x428.jpg
> .

Re: [EVDL] OMG Tesla semi with a suprise in the trailer.

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Slow charging

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of John Lussmyer via EV
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:47 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: John Lussmyer
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] OMG Tesla semi with a suprise in the trailer.
>
> On Fri Nov 17 15:18:16 PST 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
> >On 11/17/2017 01:02 PM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
> >> Nah, I want the Semi - converted to a Motorhome!
> >
> >I had not thought of that!  I had been a great fan of MB Sprinter
> >conversions.  I have one turning to dust in a garage.  Hasn't been
> >started in ~2 years.  I tried to start both the propane generator and
> >the main diesel engine a couple of weeks ago.  No go.  I imagine we
> >will start seeing Tesla truck conversions as soon as the supply allows.
> >It wouldn't take many to make an interesting charging load at RV parks.
>
> Yeah, Plug in at the RV Park, and draw 42A @ 240V for the full 2 days that you
are there.
>
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Re: [EVDL] OMG Tesla semi with a suprise in the trailer.

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

John wrote -
>
> Nah, I want the Semi - converted to a Motorhome!
>
>

Now that is probably a very realistic market

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Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

And you call that good?

My 2000 Insight (the first hybrid introduced into America) gets at least 40-45
mpg with a bad battery pack and missing its front bumper and driver side
fender...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

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EV
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>
> Round trip was 50 so 33 MPG or so...
>
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> Cc: EVDL Administrator
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>
> On 14 Nov 2017 at 18:39, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
>
> > today, I had to go to a meeting 25 miles away ...  I used another
> > gallon and a half of gas ...
>
> Youi got 16.7mpg with a Volt in ICEV mode?  That isn't a typo?
>
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[EVDL] federal EV tax credit

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Charged magazine has just published an article "EV industry fights congressional
plans to abolish federal EV tax credit". Here is the link
https://chargedevs.com/newswire/ev-industry-fights-congressional-plans-to-abolis
h-federal-ev-tax-credit/

I haven't heard much talk on the EVDL about this, either pro or con, and wonder
if the members of the EVDL consider EV's valuable enough to spend some time, 10
minutes or so, advocating for them...

At the bottom of the article are two links - Click here to send a message to
your elected officials (
https://org.salsalabs.com/o/2711/p/dia/action4/common/public/?action_KEY=22515 )
in support of the existing tax credit, or here to find contact info for your
Representative and Senators ( https://whoismyrepresentative.com/ )

I've attached the two links so that those people who do support the $7500 tax
incentive can skip the article and go directly to contacting their elected
representatives, whether they voted for them or not.

I hope that you don't consider this a 'political' post, it is not, it is a post
in support of EV's, as Charged says,  "The latest salvo in the US government's
war on technology is contained in a House bill with the Orwellian title of the
Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which would eliminate the federal tax credit for EV
purchases."


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[EVDL] How the US generates electricity

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-the-us-generates-electricity

Here is an excellent site, Carbonbrief.com, that has a great interactive graphic
about how we generate our electricity. This kind of website should be extremely
useful in the future if the EPA and other governmental websites do not publish
public information.

Take AZ for example. If I rem correctly, an area 10 miles by 10 miles of solar
panels could generate enough electricity for the AZ usage alone, but yet we have
the majority of our elec produced by gas, coal and nuclear... which I am sure is
much more than 10 miles square of the power plans, train tracks, gas lines etc.

The problem as we all know is storage... but it seems like that problem is going
to be solved, or is already solved if we just start manufacturing enough storage
capacity.

Rush Dougherty
www.TucsonEV.com
Tucson AZ 85719

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Re: [EVDL] Soldering to the J-1772 Pins

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Bob -

WOW! I guess you know that soldering the J1772 pins has led to melted plugs... 
they technically should be crimped... and not cut in half...

At TucsonEV.com I offer a service to crimp your wire into your plug/inlet for 
$25 
plus shipping. The crimp is done to Mil Spec with an industrial pneumatic 
crimper.

Rush Dougherty
www.TucsonEV.com
Tucson AZ 85719


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> EV
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> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
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> Subject: [EVDL] Soldering to the J-1772 Pins
>
> Trying to solder to the pins of an EVSE takes a hellova soldering iron.
>
>
>
> But for just soldering on some #12 wires for an L1, I tried this trick:
>
> http://aprs.org/Energy/Charging/EVSE/cut-pins02x.jpg
>
>
>
> Hackasawed a slot in the back and then crushed only ½ of the remainder into a 
>  "U" shape to
> take the #12 wire.  This should take only about 40% of the heat since I only 
> have to heat about
> 40% of the pin.
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] Zummcraft LiMn2O4 battery disassembly.

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Of hand, I'd say you screwed the pouch...

Couldn't resist...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
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> EV
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 6:20 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org; ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org
> Subject: [EVDL] Zummcraft LiMn2O4 battery disassembly.
>
> I took a chance and punctured the paper bottom of my battery pack.  I counted 
> 7 
> pouches.  I
> then pried off the BMS top part accidentally piercing a component that let 
> out a 
> sweet
> smelling vapor...with a hiss...yikes.  Cut the main power lines and removed 
> the 
> electronics.
> Half the pouches had 4vdc.  The other half next to dead with a few hundreds 
> of a 
> volt.  I then
> got a piece of wood and put the aluminum casing on it.  Tapped lightly and 
> the 
> weight of the
> battery pouches allowed all the pouches to come out the bottom. This is an 
> 11ah 
> pack.  Very
> dense. Do I have a chance of refilling this case or scrap the locking system 
> and 
> just wing it
> with replacement lithium cells.  Each battery is 28 volts fully charged 25.6 
> nominal. It is a 2
> 3/4" by 2 7/8 by 11 inch case.  Any chance I can fit anything useful into 
> this 
> case.  The
> pouches perfectly fit. I'd love to get a factory replacement but Zuumcraft is 
> not responsive. I
> need two batteries. A matched pair. So nominal voltage is 51.2volts fully 
> charged  56vdc. The
> Zuumer is a lean to steer technology.  Front wheel drive.  Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] Smart Charging Network for EVs

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

HI all,

Is there somebody that lives near the Smart Charging Network for EVs at Caltech?
I'd like a better description and maybe a photo of the setup. So if somebody is
not too far away and can spend the time needed to just take a few photos, I'd
really appreciate it.

I can tell you more, please contact me off list.

Thank you,

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Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Nothing 'snarky' at all David. Just pointing out that the reason you stated for
not buying a Tesla is pretty pointless in today's age of information exchange.
Which I might add is going to get worse with the new Internet deregulations
being signed into place.

Rush Dougherty
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> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator
via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 3:43 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.
>
> On 2 May 2017 at 13:02, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote:
>
> > I guess David doesn't have any credit cards ... cell phone ... use the
> > internet ...
>
> I don't get why Rush is being snarky here, but I'll give a simple, civil
> response: I have little enough privacy already, without choosing to give up
more.
>
> I won't get into further detail, since we'd probably get off topic pretty
quickly.  Howe er, if Rush
> or anyone else is sincere and wants to discuss this issue  constructively,
you're welcome to
> email me offlist.  My private address is at the bottom of the EVDL help page:
>
> http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#supt
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Interesting comment...  I guess David doesn't have any credit cards, because
they are constantly monitored every time you use them and can be stopped
anytime, and I guess David doesn't have a cell phone, because they are monitored
constantly and can be cut off anytime. But David does use the internet, which is
monitored constantly and can be cut off anytime.

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> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator
via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 12:31 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.
>
> On 2 May 2017 at 11:58, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
>
> > And, if Tesla suspects any foul play, they can instantly disable a
> > Tesla ...
>
> This, and the creepy constant monitoring, are the main reasons I will never
buy a Tesla.
> NEVER.
>
> You don't ever really own your Tesla, you're just borrowing it from your dad
Elon.
>
> It's a darn shame.  The Tesla is a great accomplishment. I know that some
folks are fine with
> the spying and control -- even welcome it.  Others don't notice or care.
Great, go for it.  For
> me, nope nope nope nope nope no way.
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator
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Re: [EVDL] EARTH DAY 2017

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Very well said Steve, I couldn't agree with you more. The number of people that
are doing conversions or wanting to convert their cars is dwindling. That is
reflected in my sales of J1772 Inlets, which are less and less. And my sales of
the J1772 Plugs, with and without cord, are increasing as more and more people
are making their own EVSE for their OEM EV's

Rush Dougherty
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> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Steve Clunn via EV
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 7:19 AM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EARTH DAY 2017
>
> In the past, Earth day has been a great opportunity to show off DIY Electric
Cars.  For 18
> years I hosted an Event in my home town on Earth Day, Fort Pierce Electric Car
Rally.  Since
> moving to the Gulf Coast of Florida we have been going to other Earth Day
Events in Tampa
> and St. Petersburg. Since we are on their mailing list, the organizers, once
again, sent us an
> email telling about their event and inviting us to come.  Upon responding to
their email about
> bringing our conversion, ( As we have the last 3 years),  we were told that we
were welcomed
> to come, but not to bring any DIY vehicle because this year they want to
concentrate on OEM
> Vehicles only.
>
> I believe, one of the purposes of DIYs was to show people what the car
companies could do,
> with the idea that if people demanded Electric Vehicle, they would build them,
and they did.
>
> We seem to be entering the next part of the cycle.
>
> "why would I build an EV when I can buy a USED OEM EV for less than what it
costs to
> make".
>
> "why would I build a car with only a 50  mile range".?
>
> "why can't DIY's charge as fast as the Tesla"?
>
> The opportunities have never been better for DIY people. The parts seem to be
cheaper and
> there is an abundance of USED parts on the market.  That said, interest in
doing conversions
> is at an all time
> low I believe.   This list was originally created to HELP people with
> their conversions, sharing information on how to tackle problems of
> converting a GAS car to Electric.   I see very little on this list any
> more about anyone doing a conversion.  Most of what is on the list is about
the new cars
> coming out and public charging of OEM cars.
>
> I think at this point we can look back and say, The best time for DIY's was
around 2005 to
> 2008?
>
> The change that we have tried to initiate is now trying to eradicate its
originator.
>
> --
> Steve Clunn
> Merging the best of the past with
> the best of the future.
> www.Greenshedconversions.com
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Re: [EVDL] Electric compressor for EV+Battery heating (heat pump)

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Hi Marco and all,

You can also use the heat pump for heating/cooling combined with an idea of Lee 
Hart's. Make a cold/hot plate out of coiled copper tubing that the battery pack 
sits on. Sandwich the copper coils between an aluminum plate that the Bat pack 
sits on and an insulating base. And if you really get industrious you can make 
the 
walls of the bat pack out of the heating/cooling plate and even the rows 
separating your batteries.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Marco Gaxiola via EV
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 8:48 PM
> To: Peter C. Thompson; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric compressor for EV+Battery heating (heat pump)
>
> Ohh those pads looks nice..
>
> Thanks for the advices, Yes, I think cooling the batteries in the summer time 
> won't be a big
> problem (compared to the Arizona's / Sonora's wheater; excessive heat) Since 
> I 
> found the
> average temperature there doesn't go avobe 25°C
>
> my biggest concern was the idea of using the AC as a heat pump, but you have 
> clarified this,
> thanks!
>
>
> Marco Gaxiola
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Peter C. Thompson via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > You can also get heating pads designed for lead-acid batteries - these
> > tend to be rugged and acid proof.
> >
> > Example:
> > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000I8VL16/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_
> > ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=ECZS9XXRJF00&coliid=I1DAV5PWDDSP7T
> >
> > Cheers, Peter
> >
> >
> > On 4/9/17 9:07 AM, ROBERT via EV wrote:
> >
> >> Why re-invent the wheel.  I have some aircraft NICAD batteries.  They
> >> have a heating pad in each battery box and a thermostat.  Each
> >> battery box has a inlet and outlet for forced air circulation.  Just
> >> buy some of these heating pad.
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: EV  on behalf of Cor van de Water
> >> via EV 
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 6:29 PM
> >> To: Marco Gaxiola; Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Jukka Järvinen
> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric compressor for EV+Battery heating (heat
> >> pump)
> >>
> >> Marco,
> >> If you are concerned about battery temp in summer, then you can
> >> always Add a fan that pushes air into the box and an exhaust with
> >> self-closing flap At a high (warm) point that will let air out when
> >> the fan pressurizes the box.
> >>
> >> What others have found is that you try to balance the amount of
> >> insulation Such that the pack will stay warm enough long enough, but
> >> not as much insulation That it will overheat easily, so essentially
> >> you need to estimate how much heat You produce charging and driving
> >> and then size the insulation value accordingly.
> >> If this gives an unrealistic solution then active heating (resistive
> >> typically on Shore power only) and possibly active cooling (just
> >> blowing ambient air through The box, typically, no A/C for batteries
> >> please, we don't need a new EV1.
> >>
> >> Hope this clarifies,
> >> Cor.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Marco
> >> Gaxiola via EV
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 10:49 AM
> >> To: Jukka Järvinen
> >> Cc: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric compressor for EV+Battery heating (heat
> >> pump)
> >>
> >> Thanks for the reply...
> >>
> >> its in Norway..
> >>
> >> Thanks for the advice. We've been thinking on a heat pump system, but
> >> not sure if it worths all the complexity of the system to put in the
> >> vehicle considering heat is for sure gonna to be used during winter,
> >> but what about summer time? do they use the AC for colling in the summer?
> >>
> >> Otherwise, just a resistive heating element would be the simplest way
> >> to go?
> >>
> >>
> >> Marco Gaxiola
> >> energyev.com
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Jukka Järvinen
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> What do you consider 'a very cold area in north europe"?
> >>>
> >>> Easy advice for batteries:
> >>> Insulation, insulation, insulation.
> >>>
> >>> :)
> >>>
> >>> For

[EVDL] EV's in CA and the USA

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

This is a link from Facebooks 'EV Public Policy' page -

http://jalopnik.com/the-home-of-the-electric-car-is-at-war-1793566650?utm_campai
gn=socialflow_jalopnik_twitter&utm_source=jalopnik_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow


"California wants a 40 percent reduction of greenhouse gas emissions in 2030
compared to 1990 levels. Along with that, CARB has projected that 40 percent of
the cars an automaker sells in California will have to be all-electric,
hydrogen-powered or plug-in hybrids."
"So war over electric cars can be expected to keep going in California. I wish
things looked better for the state, but the poor record of these incentives,
carmakers' struggles to make money off of dinky EVs and Trump in the White House
does not look good for the Golden State."

Read the full article if you want to learn about how the EV mandate is in real
jeopardy...

Or better yet join the group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/538276566353132/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
and read what other EV owners are doing, thinking, etc.

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[EVDL] Chelsea Sexton on NPR talks about EV's

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

'Aww shucks, we tried, but those consumers just don't want electric cars'

Here is a frank and motivated discussion about the future of EV's under our new
president.
http://www.npr.org/2017/03/07/518956871/how-administration-regs-could-affect-the
-future-of-the-electric-car

If you support EV's then you'll listen and try to understand how profitable it
is for Trump and the gas auto industry to NOT support EV's.

If after you listen to it you consider this political then you have your head in
the sand or elsewhere...

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Re: [EVDL] Silicon heat sink grease

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's a tip from my woodworking knowledge - if you use sandpaper, even wet/dry,
to achieve a smooth finish make sure that you don't skip a grit number, it makes
the surface harder to actually get smoother.

Here's a graphic
http://www.briwax-trg.com/How to Use Briwax/Sanding Before Using
Briwax/files/stacks_image_8578.jpg
of what happens when you go from 80 to 180 using 4 grades and using 3 grades.
The 4 grade process leaves a smoother finish.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:13 AM
> To: EVDL Administrator; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Silicon heat sink grease
>
> EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
> >> My plan was to hit it with a bit of sand paper just before connecting.
> >
> > Again, I'm not an expert, but I think I remember reading that
> > sandpaper isn't so good for this.  It roughens the surfaces, and that
> > actually reduces the heat transfer.
> >
> > Someone correct me if this is wrong, but I think a very fine abrasive
> > compound on the mating surfaces might improve their flatness and fit,
> > and thus the heat transfer.  Maybe something like jeweler's rouge?
> > And I think you'd probably still need heatsink compound.
>
> I think David is right. The closer the fit, the better the heat transfer. If
you were only doing a few
> parts, you could lap the two parts together -- put a very fine abrasive
between them with a
> drop of oil or water, and rub them together to take the high spots off from
each.
>
> But that's too tedious for a Curtis with dozens of parts.
>
> --
> Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated
simple. --
> Charles Mingus
> --
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[EVDL] Email from Plug In

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

I'm forwarding this email from Plug In. The more people that contact their
congresspersons about EV's the more support EV's will get.

Dear Plug In America Friends,
We are one month into the new Congress and a few weeks into the new
Administration. Staff on Capitol Hill are writing policy on a range of issues -
and for the plug-in electric vehicle (EV) industry, nothing is more important
right now than tax reform. For all of us that support EVs and want to see more
of these fun, fast, clean cars on the road - it's go time.
We need to make our voices loud and clear right now that federal support on the
EV vehicle tax credit (Section 30D) and the EV charging infrastructure tax
credit (Section 30C) is critical in helping consumers make the switch to driving
electric!
Take action now and contact your Senators and Representative and tell them that
EVs must be included in tax reform.
Thank you - go team EVs!
https://org.salsalabs.com/o/2711/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=21067
Katherine Stainken, Policy Director at Plug In America

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[EVDL] Bolt Video news

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's a video article about the Bolt. Discussion includes charging, interior
layout, can be used as 'mobile office', horn sound, etc

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/money/cars/2017/01/25/-trump's-environmental-chan
ges-impact-chevy-bolt/97033232/


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[EVDL] youtube Bolt vid

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

It looks like I'm into the Bolt today...

Here is another video, this one on utube, 26 min long. Good visuals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ir4y2JwbEw

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Re: [EVDL] Induction Charging

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

BMW has been working on that system for a couple years - BMW says that the
prototype system has an efficiency of 90 percent and can charge the BMW i8 in
less than two hours. To make the charger suitable for all electric cars instead
of hybrids, the company is working on boosting the charge rate to 7 kW, which
would charge a BMW i3 overnight.

http://newatlas.com/bmw-induction-charging/32863/

Rush Dougherty
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> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 9:48 AM
> To: ROBERT; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Induction Charging
>
> ROBERT via EV wrote:
> > Sounds likes induction charging the same as the EV1.  New technology??
>
> Actually, it sounds more like the Inductran inductive charging system that's
been used for
> industrial EVs for decades. Their system uses a big 60Hz transformer, cut it
half, with one half
> on the road and the other half in the bottom of the car.
>
> --
> Teaching children to program goes against the grain of modern education.
> Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan, create,
implement, test, and
> execute!
> --
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Re: [EVDL] PG&E customers can get a $500 rebate if you own or lease an EV

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Good for you people in PG&E land!

I quickly read thru the page in the link and I don't think that it says that 
the 
EVSE must be installed at the customers residence...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Danny Ames via EV
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:57 PM
> To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] PG&E customers can get a $500 rebate if you own or lease 
> an 
> EV
>
> Correct..! I'm going to place quotes around the URL as a test.
>
> "https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/solar-and-vehicles/options/clean-
> vehicles/electric/clean-fuel-rebate-for-electric-
> vehicles.page?WT.mc_id=Vanity_cleanfuelrebate-ev"
>
>
>   From: Cor van de Water via EV 
>  To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
>  Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:51 PM
>  Subject: Re: [EVDL] PG&E customers can get a $500 rebate if you own or lease 
> an 
> EV
>
> The attachment on the list had the full link. It will probably break here as 
> well, so you probably
> need to re-assemble it yourself:
> <
> https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/solar-and-vehicles/options/clean-v
> ehicles/electric/clean-fuel-rebate-for-electric-vehicles.page?WT.mc_id=V
> anity_cleanfuelrebate-ev>
>
>
> Cor van de Water
> Chief Scientist
> Proxim Wireless
>
> office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP  +31 
> 87 
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>
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>
> This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and 
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of David Murphy via EV
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:41 PM
> To: Danny Ames; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] PG&E customers can get a $500 rebate if you own or lease 
> an 
> EV
>
> That link is not correct...
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Danny Ames via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > Just wanted to make any EV owners aware there is an ongoing $500
> rebate
> > for PG&E customers:https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/so...The
> > application requires your PG&E account number and proof of EV
> ownership
> > (registration card or other).
> > Danny Ames
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Re: [EVDL] Forklift Battery Options?

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

> BTW, do not despair if you see the fluid level below plate top or find the
behavior of the
> battery weak upon first use.

It's been a while since I've used Flooded Lead Acid but I think you should
despair if the water is below the plates... that means that air has been able to
corrode the plates and they may be shorted out.

I'm sure Lee or someone with much more experience will correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Collin,

Great links, wish I had known about them for my Insight... thanks

Rush Dougherty
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> CANDue: http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=EVTVDue2&cat=23
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Re: [EVDL] J1772 cable

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

This company is in the Czech Republic. According to their 'Transportation Price
List', the cost to ship 1kg is $59, 10kg is $85. The cost of the plug and cord,
including VAT, is $83.49, so the cost is at least $142. 49, not including the
customs you will pay or couple weeks it will take to get here...

TucsonEV.com will send you a J1772 Plug with 20ft of 30A cord for $125 plus
shipping, $18.75 for a total of $143.75 and you'll have it within a week

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> Subject: [EVDL] J1772 cable
>
> I found this low cost cable and wondered if anybody has dealt with this
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Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

I have to say that I agree with Lee. While the possibility of a scam is there,
you might want to proceed with caution. I've had many people inquire after my
products that didn't seem to know anything about their OEM EV or conversions
that they were getting or had. After a couple emails we worked out what they
really needed and went on from there.

But I must say I've had my share of people wanting 20 sets of Plug and cords and
20 units of my TucsonEV-SE shipped to some foreign country by their own shipper
and they'd pay me with a check on another company name

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> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:37 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay
>
> EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
> >> I'm curious if this is normal.
> >
> > No, it's not.  This guy is trying to rip you off.  This sounds like
> > the fake money order / cashier's check scam... I suggest that you cancel the
transaction.
>
> I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. He may be a scammer; but he may also
just be a
> clueless individual.
>
> I'd tell him something like, "Thanks for your interest in my car. I'd like to
sell it to you, but your
> responses so far have sounded like some of the fake money order / bad check
scams.
> Please get back to me, so we can work out a mutually satisfactory way to close
the deal."
>
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[EVDL] Elon Musk says Trump presidency won't hurt Tesla - here's why

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

"But Musk said eliminating ZEV credits, if it should ever happen, would actually
improve Tesla's competitive position in the market."

http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-trump-decision-on-electric-car-incentiv
es-wont-hurt-tesla-2016-11

Well it looks like Musk thinks that Tesla is going to be immune to Trumps
potential moves against the EV, even if the ZEV credits are eliminated.

The article also states 'The mandate has been adopted by nine other states, such
as Maryland and Maine", which seems at odds with Peri's Wikipedia link that
cites '13 plus DC' have adopted the California standards.

While the article is not really an in-depth one, it does give Musk's thoughts
about ZEV and Trump, which are worth reading.

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Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA&OR ...

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

I find it very interesting that since GM suddenly changed how they are going to
present the Bolt to the public that we are actually discussing why they made
that choice. Cor in an previous email said ' so now the federal govt is changing
significantly', David said ' what governments do makes a big difference in
whether EVs advance or retreat', Bruce wrote 'with today's new administration we
are in for more than just a bumpy ride'.

If that's not politics, I don't know what is...

All I'm saying is just be cognizant of the fact that the car companies, the
petroleum companies do NOT want electric vehicles... talk about it and if you
want EV's in your/our future make sure that politicians know your wants, like
that phrase -vote with your pocket book, or vote to have a cleaner more healthy
future for you and your children. And If you don't want EV's to be in your
future, why are you on this list?

Bruce's daily emails are is invaluable and such a time saver for information
about what is happening in the EV world

This list is better that David's phrase, 'If and when no automaker will sell you
an EV here in the US, or you can't get the type of vehicle you need with a motor
under the hood, drop on by the EVDL.  We'll be here to help.'

Happy Thanksgiving to all,

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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EV
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in
CA&OR ...
>
> Mark,
>
> I share the hope.
> But I am also wondering why GM suddenly changed their roll-out strategy
significantly
> (reducing it and making it much more non-committal) just days after the
surprising outcome of
> the elections. Hard to believe that is a coincidence.
> And that coupled to the automaker lobbying efforts already under way to
abolish the CARB
> mandates - where did we hear that before?
>
> Cor van de Water
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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via
EV
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:33 AM
> To: EVDL Administrator
> Cc: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in
CA&OR ...
>
> I hope and that that you are wrong in thinking it possible that EVs could
become unavailable.
> I expect a strong and vigorous market.
> I'm also hopeful that a surging EV market will mean that EV conversions will
grow along with
> the main EV market.
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>  From: EVDL Administrator via EV  To: Electric Vehicle
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>  Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM
> Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only selling Bolt in CA&OR ...
> Date: 11/20/16, 12:00 AM
>
>
> History tells us that -- for better and/or worse -- what governments do
>
> makes a big difference in whether EVs advance or retreat.
>
> Bruce is 100% correct that GM's specific history predicts their current and
future involvement
> with EVs.  As I said a couple of weeks ago, I'm still
>
> waiting for that Chevette EV that GM promised in 1978.  I guess I'll be
>
> waiting a lot longer.
>
> (Disclosure: That's a rhetorical statement.  Personally, I wouldn't buy any GM
vehicle at any
> price under any circumstances.  Also, having known someone who owned a 1980
Chevette:
> yikes, noo  ... )
>
> All that said, unless the state or fed legislators make it illegal, the sure
way to drive electric is
> and probably aways will be to build your own.
>
> Normally that would entail converting an ICEV.
>
> I think I can safely say that EV conversion has been the EVDL's largest and
most critical
> mission since it was first launched at sjsu.edu 25 years
> ago.
> If and when no automaker will sell you an EV here in the US, or you can't get
the type of
> vehicle you need with a motor under the hood, drop on by the EVDL.  We'll be
here to help.
>
> David 

Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Sheesh David, lighten up I guess you took my suggestion seriously...I was
just joking. But now that you bring it up -

-911 calls could be made to go thru all the time, there could even be a
provision that says if you're driving, you can make 911 calls... (if there isn't
already)
-Cops beating up innocents, I'm all for recording that sort thing... it seems as
if there is much too much of it going on lately, beating up, shooting etc, and
the phones could be made to record all the racist incidents that seem to be
happening with much more frequency now.
-Make the EVSE smart so that it knows when the plug is approaching the inlet...
no need for a phone.

So if the phone says something like 'Danger Will Robinson', or whatever the
owners name happens to be that would ok with you. Good, good, good, good, good,
good, good.

 Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:25 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by
2019/09
>
> On 15 Nov 2016 at 12:40, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote:
>
> > Make one 2 ft or so from the curb that will stop the phone from
> > working and say something both audibly and visually  ...
>
> I can just see this:
>
> You're reporting an emergency to 911 and you get cut off.
>
> You're recording a cop beating up an innocent old lady and your phone shuts
down.
>
> You're plugging into an EVSE, trying to activate it on your phone, and you
can't.
>
> Safety regulations are good things where the individual has no power to gain
improvement.
> That's why FMVSS are a net positive.  Without that legislation, cars today
probably wouldn't
> have seat belts or crush zones -- basically they'd be little improved from
1959 Chevrolets.
> "Safety doesn't sell."
>
> But ultimately every individual has to take personal responsibility for his
own safety.  When
> you're using a mobile phone on the street, you have to have the good sense to
pay attention
> to what's around you.  If you have to give your full attention to the phone
for a while, STOP in a
> safe place,
> whether you're driving or walking.   That is your responsibility.
>
> I might go along with something that beeps and pops up a window saying
something like
> "Danger, cross traffic ahead," but disabling the phone?  Nope nope nope nope
nope nope
> nope nope.  Sorry, not a good idea.
>
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Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ed Blackmond via EV
> Maybe we could have something that disabled cell phones.  That would cure the
distracted
> driver problem too.

Great idea! Sort of like the grocery market carts, when you cross their property
line there is a little lock down device... Make one 2 ft or so from the curb,
all along the curb, not just at intersections, that will stop the phone from
working and say something both audibly and visually like' HEY Stop texting,
talking or gaming on your phone and pay attention to the road in front of you,
it may just save your life!'


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Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Thos True via EV
>It is the pedestrian blinded by electronics technology that we need to concern 
>ourselves with!

I couldn't agree with you more, how many times do we hear of or see utube 
videos 
of somebody so engrossed in their phone conversation or playing their game or 
looking at fb on their phone that they walk into fountains, enter 
intersections, 
fall into holes totally oblivious to what is in front of them.

Not having a 'noise' that is like a 'car' is such BS in my opinion, it is just 
a 
way to force EV's into the gasser mentality. I was taught to look both ways 
before 
crossing, I used to live in NYC where I jaywalked all the time and never got 
hit. 
Is there a statistical  analysis that shows who gets hit where? Or is all this 
'we 
must have a sound' just anecdotal? Is there an actual study that says that 
people 
are likely to get run over by a car with no sound when they just cross without 
paying any attention to the roadway? Or is all just conjecture.

Rush Dougherty
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[EVDL] Article - Tesla's Future in Trump's World

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-11/tesla-s-future-in-trump-s-worl
d

Here's Bloomberg's thoughts on what is going to happen to Tesla and other EV
manufacturers in the future.

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Re: [EVDL] Automakers lobby for "relief" from EVs

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

tomw wrote -
> As for crushing cars, that's nonsense.

WHAT? Are my eyes deceiving me??? You can't actually tell me that you don't know
how the EV1 met its end?

You sound just like Turnip when he says "The concept of global warming was
created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing
non-competitive."
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en

Here's a link to the EV1 website http://www.ev1.org/, scroll down to the 2nd
picture, those are EV1's that have been CRUSHED.


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Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Peri -

Good for you for 'skimming' the article, but I've always found that the best 
way 
to understand what is actually being written is to 'read' the article.

So yup, you sure missed 'any mention', because it wasn't in there!

Read what I said again, you'll see that I never mentioned that the article said 
that cars were going to be reprocessed. I said that it had happened in the 
past, 
if you didn't know or had forgotten. I was informing you of an act that 
actually 
happened in the past or reminding you of that fact if you happened to let it 
slip 
your mind...

Kidding aside, it is getting more and more important to read the full article 
and 
then discern what is actually being said - an example is that on FB somebody 
posted a link to a video by PragerU that was slick and seemingly positive about 
why we need the Electoral College. I looked a little more into PragerU and 
found 
that the founder is a very very right wing conservative 
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/05/01/fracking-titans-bankrolling-right-wing-indoctrination-effort-schools-investigation
 
that gets massive $$ from the fracking industry and puts out videos that on the 
surface look great, but when you really listen to what they are saying, they 
are 
pushing their own agenda and are very deceptive.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: Peri Hartman [mailto:pe...@kotatko.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:16 AM
> To: Rush Dougherty; EVDL
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -
>
> Perhaps I missed it while skimming the article, but I didn't see any mention 
> of 
> crushing
> vehicles who's title has been transferred to the "owner". When I got my Leaf, 
> I 
> read the
> agreement and I am certain it did not give Nissan any allowance to repo the 
> vehicle, other
> than for non payment.
>
> Peri
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rush Dougherty via EV" 
> To: "EVDL" 
> Cc:
> Sent: 12-Nov-16 9:09:17 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -
>
> >http://insideevs.com/automakers-ask-trump-to-ease-emissions-rules-ev-ma
> >ndates-ge
> >t-ready-for-a-war/
> >
> >It looks like Inside EV's thinks that the EV road is going to be full
> >of potholes in the future...
> >
> >For those of you that actually want EV's, you might read the article.
> >For those
> >of you hypocritical EV 'proponents' that speak with 'forked tongues',
> >just continue thinking that everything is alright until the OEM Auto
> >manufactures (except Tesla of course) come and take your EV and crush
> >it...
> >
> >This has happened in the past if you didn't know or have forgotten,
> >EV's were reprocessed and crushed...
> >
> >Rush Dougherty
> >Tucson AZ 85719
> >
> >
> >
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[EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

http://insideevs.com/automakers-ask-trump-to-ease-emissions-rules-ev-mandates-ge
t-ready-for-a-war/

It looks like Inside EV's thinks that the EV road is going to be full of
potholes in the future...

For those of you that actually want EV's, you might read the article. For those
of you hypocritical EV 'proponents' that speak with 'forked tongues', just
continue thinking that everything is alright until the OEM Auto manufactures
(except Tesla of course) come and take your EV and crush it...

This has happened in the past if you didn't know or have forgotten, EV's were
reprocessed and crushed...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719




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[EVDL] OEM's jump on Trumps 'screw America' wagon

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

https://electrek.co/2016/11/11/automakers-ask-trump-not-to-make-them-produce-ele
ctric-cars-in-first-lobbying-effort-since-election/

Well guys... looks like all your wait and see BS didn't take long...

So all of the EV folks on this list who voted for Trump raise your hands... and
just quit the list since you have set back the efforts of all of us that
actually champion EV's.

And if anybody says this is political they don't really see that the automakers
and petroleum companies are going to be supporting and producing more and more
petroleum products which will in turn pollute the air, continue to raise the CO2
levels, melt the icecaps etc.

Maybe Jerry Dycus in FL should start building more electric boats

Rush Dougherty
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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Seth asked -
>
> My one question (directly )  on this topic is, will the $7500 tax *credit* for
new 2016 purchases
> which can be claimed in April 2017 be at risk?

From
http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/3-things-president-trump-electric-cars.htm
l

1. Let the $7,500 EV tax credit go extinct
Sometime between the release of the Model 3 and six months later, federal tax
credits of $7,500 for Tesla consumers would hit the 200,000 mark and start
expiring. General Motors, Ford, Nissan, and other manufacturers would follow in
the next year or two, and that would leave EV buyers without the subsidy fossil
fuel industries get. When Trump says the U.S. should not pick "winners and
losers" in the energy department, that would easily apply to shutting down the
tax credit once it expires, likely stopping adoption in its tracks.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


Seth asked -
>
> My one question (directly )  on this topic is, will the $7500 tax *credit* for
new 2016 purchases
> which can be claimed in April 2017 be at risk?



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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's an article from Chelsea Sexton that address the subject of Trump and EV's

https://evchels.wordpress.com/2016/11/09/for-evs-work-trumps-hope/

In the article there are some links, one of which lists what Trump will probably
do about EV's
1. Let the $7,500 EV tax credit go extinct
2. Neuter EV investment with lower MPG standards
3. Pay back Big Oil campaign contributors

So if you thought the battle to have EV's accepted before, be prepared for what
the future holds...

I have to say that although some people may view these posts as politics... they
really aren't. They are about the people/institutions that have an immense
amount of power to affect what happens to EV's and it would be naïve to think
otherwise.

Rush Dougherty
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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Jim wrote -

> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Walls [mailto:j...@k6ccc.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 4:43 PM
> To: Rush Dougherty; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's
>
> Not trying to agree or disagree, but remember that one of the biggest issues
with the US
> economy is the regular moving of jobs off-shore.

I'm no economist but as I understand it, one of the reasons jobs move off-shore
is that the wages are cheaper overseas. And as we all know the only people
willing to take low paying jobs here in the US are immigrants... And Trump is
going to kick all of them out...

>A second is a substantial un-balance of
> trade.  Mr. Trump has somewhat regularly pushed that we need to get Americans
working
> again.  If he is able to enact his item five, it will put a bunch of Americans
to work in largely
> well paying jobs, and reduce oil imports which will have at least a little
improvement in the
> balance of trade.

That statement 'if he can' is pure speculation  and I'm not sure if Oklahoma
wants to have fracking continued... as I understand it they have a massive
increase in earthquakes so maybe it is not such a good idea to open up new
fields for fracking and drilling considering what it has done to our drinking
water, streams, natural habitat, mountain tops etc.

>  Although Rush Dougherty added the comment about no clean energy nor EVs,
there is
> nothing in Trump's statement to that effect (as included in his message).  To
assume things
> that are not there is speculation.
>
>  Also note that this discussion is really off-topic for the list...

No it's not, it pertains to EV's and how Trump is planning to increase the
production of oil, which I think most of us are against since we are on this
Electric Vehicle Discussion List.

>  Jim Walls
>
>
>
>   Original Message 
> > From: "Rush Dougherty via EV" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 3:02 PM
> > To: "Bill Woodcock" , "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> 
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's
> >
> > Here is one of the things Trump has said that he is going to do in his
> first 100
> > days -
> > "FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion
> dollars'
> > worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil,
> natural gas
> > and clean coal."
> >
> > More oil for cars and pollution, no clean energy, no EV's, get used to
> > it
> all over
> > again.
> >
> > Rush Dougherty
> > Tucson AZ 85719
>



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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Peri and all,

 

Just think a little about the average mentality – America loves oil, it makes 
their cars go for miles and miles and miles, and all it takes to fill up is a 
stop at the local 711, where you can get a hot dog and a coke or coffee by the 
way, or buy a lottery ticket (which you have 1 in a zillion chances to win). 
The only real EV is the Tesla. Look at the Leaf – it has battery problems and 
it takes hours to recharge the battery pack and you can only recharge in a 
couple places what a pia. And the Tesla is very very expensive, I’ll never be 
able to afford it, but I can get a beautiful gas car for only $18,000 or maybe 
even $16,000 and the price of gas is going to go down since they are going to 
be drilling for more of it, so it will be cheaper. Why should I waste my time 
with electric cars?

 

And I really take issue with “industry has started to invest heavily in EV’s” 
What are you referring to? All the parts except a few are just pulled from 
other cars, they even make the EV in gas version, or the gas version in an EV… 
And besides, there is a $7000 tax rebate on EV’s that is not being collected by 
the government.  And what about the road tax, since EV’s don’t buy gas, they 
don’t pay road tax… 

 

Rush Dougherty

Tucson AZ 85719

 

From: Peri Hartman [mailto:pe...@kotatko.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 4:14 PM
To: Rush Dougherty; 'Bill Woodcock'; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
Subject: Re[2]: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

 

I'm concerned about that Trump statement, too. However, while he can use 
executive order to change a lot of things, he has to abide by congress for 
major changes. Plus the auto industry has started to invest heavily in EVs and 
I don't think they are going to change course abruptly. They will likely wait 
at least until the midterm elections to see which way congress goes. Am I being 
too optimistic?

 

Peir

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Rush Dougherty via EV" 

To: "'Bill Woodcock'" ; "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" 


Cc: 

Sent: 09-Nov-16 3:01:20 PM

Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

 

Here is one of the things Trump has said that he is going to do in his first 100

days -

"FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars'

worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural 
gas

and clean coal."

 

More oil for cars and pollution, no clean energy, no EV's, get used to it all 
over

again.

 

Rush Dougherty

Tucson AZ 85719

 

 

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 Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 3:51 PM

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 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

 

 

 > On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV  wrote:

 > I seriously wonder if the people on this list. who voted for trump realize 
 > the

 > mess that he is

 going to put us in.

 

 Is that not the null set, seriously?

 

 -Bill

 

 

 

 

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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here is one of the things Trump has said that he is going to do in his first 
100 
days -
"FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' 
worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural 
gas 
and clean coal."

More oil for cars and pollution, no clean energy, no EV's, get used to it all 
over 
again.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 3:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's
>
>
> > On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV  wrote:
> > I seriously wonder if the people on this list. who voted for trump realize 
> > the 
> > mess that he is
> going to put us in.
>
> Is that not the null set, seriously?
>
> -Bill
>
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[EVDL] Trump and EV's

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Here's just one article about Turnip's view on climate change -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/09/trump-victo
ry-reverses-u-s-energy-and-environmental-priorities/?tid=pm_business_pop_b

"Although Trump has portrayed himself as the ultimate outsider, in putting
together a transition team the New York real estate mogul has chosen veteran
Washington insiders, many of them lobbyists for fossil fuel companies and
skeptics about climate science."

And you can be sure that as soon as those "lobbyists for fossil fuel companies"
have any sort of say or power all the EV benefits will be thrown out the
window... no more PV discussions, no more wind power discussion.

I seriously wonder if the people on this list, who have EV's or who are
proponents of EV's and who voted for trump realize the mess that he is going to
put us in.

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Re: [EVDL] EVSE @the work place: Bolt EV's In Production

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Bruce - Very nice summary.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:21 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Subject: [EVDL] EVSE @the work place: Bolt EV's In Production
>
> Peri sez >your system serves only 100 cars per day (maybe a few more if people
shuffle
> around at noon)<
>
> I won't bore you with all the EVSE I requested put in at several hp sites,
those were a long
> time ago, ancient history mixture of L1 and 14-50's, and have since been
yanked out as most
> of those sites hp sold off.
>
> Instead I use the former Sun Microsystems site in Menlo Park, CA
> http://jacobsschool.ucsd.edu/events/2012/facebook/images/facebook_parking.jpg
> (map of bldg numbers, pre-Facebook site revamp)
>
http://www.zdnet.com/i/story/62/77/002995/facebook_east_campus_menlo_park_big.pn
g
>
> [sidebar - history:
> A lot has changed since FB took over that site, it is no longer the quiet
pleasant high-tech site
> Sun made it into:
> https://www.quora.com/What-changes-is-Facebook-making-to-the-former-Sun-
> Microsystems-campus-in-Menlo-Park
>
> Instead, it now has very tight (paranoiac) security, yet a favorite of the
public to get a snap of
> their FB sign out front of the main entrance (when you drive by, you most
likely will see people
> taking a photo-op in front of the FB sign) https://encrypted-
> tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIwnjWgXKNREv57vLPd8HCDfQXlGpyE8xrmuj5nf
> gUU64Vqebj
>
>
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-suns-logo-is-on-the-back-of-facebooks-sign-20
14-12
> But on the back of that FB sign is the last original Sun sign. FB CEO had it
flipped around
> and the then back painted over to use it as FB's sign front (presevering Sun
failure/folding)
> http://v6.designforfun.com/display.php?id=142
>  to remind FB employees to 'keep working' (sort of like employee motivation
via regular 1k
> Volt shocks - its very different at FB, lots of motivation slogans, etc.).
> / sidebar]
>
> With a boat-load of cash flow, that FB site has a whole lot of employee EVSE.
If you bring up
> plugshare with that site's address, plugshare won't show any public EVSE (FB
got plugshare
> to not display/show FB's employee EVSE. I used to show on plugshare before,
but now it
> doesn't).
>
> But if you are smart (like me) there is a way to still find all the EVSE (I
and others) have
> documented on plugshare:
> https://www.google.com/search?q=plugshare.com+facebook+menlo
>
> Facebook - Building 12 | Menlo Park, CA
> api.plugshare.com/view/location/12691
>
> Facebook - Building 15 | Menlo Park, CA
> api.plugshare.com/view/location/56279
>
> Facebook - Building 14 | Menlo Park, CA
> api.plugshare.com/view/location/12481
>
> Facebook HQ | Menlo Park, CA
> api.plugshare.com/view/location/6273
>
>
> Many of the images shown are now old as FB has yanked the Blink EVSE for
Chargepoint,
> and even some of their older CT2100 Chargepoint EVSE were replaced by newer
CT4000
> Chargepoint EVSE (FB has lots of cash, so repeatedly spending money on EVSE
like this is
> no problem for FB).
>
> So, at bldg18 all the Blink shown are now chargepoint
https://13dd3533ebd96a38e097-
> ffd458871468d7801be60d93d5d79b26.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/45930.jpg
>  but notice that image is old as today, the EVs are no longer all Leaf EVs,
but a wide mixture
> of EV brands. Employees come to work, plugin, and then relocate at lunch time
to make the
> EV spot available for some other plugin.
>
> There is a 50kW CHAdeMO L3 EVSE at bldg 12, but most of the EVSE at that FB is
L2-
> 6kW chargepoint. Their L2 is scattered around from a couple in front of bldg
10 (hq), bldgs
> 12 & 18, to several in the bldg 15 parking lot.
>
> https://13dd3533ebd96a38e097-
> ffd458871468d7801be60d93d5d79b26.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/15297.jpg
> Bldg 15's EVSE particularly impressed me, as it seemed to be the last EVSE
installations
> FB put in at that site.
>
> The facilties person utilitized 6 of the existing cement pad squares in the
parking lot (between
> the parked cars) to install in each: two dual L2-6kW coupler CT4000
Chargepoint EVSE,
> along with putting one duplex 5-20 outlet at the bottom of each CT4000.
> https://www.chargepoint.com/img/branded/fb_menlopark2.jpg
>
> Each of the duplex' two L1 outlets were on their own 120VAC 20A circuit. So,
each pad had
> 4 L2-6kW and 4 L1 charging. That may seem like over kill, but FB did this EVSE
installation
> in a big way.
> https://www.chargepoint.com/img/branded/fb_menlopark3.jpg
> So, there is an example of EV spot parking that can charge at either L2-6kW or
L1 (wow!).
>
> If you l

Re: [EVDL] L2&1 EVSE & L3 port optional: Bolt EV's In Production

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Since Bruce is mentioning small portable EVSE's I thought I'd add this - The
Tesla 40A UMC can be converted to a J1772 EVSE by just changing out the Plug,
removing the Tesla Plug and crimping on a 50A J1772 Plug. It is a service that
TucsonEV does for $115, or you can buy a used UMC with J1772 Plug on it for $500
from them also.

The UMC is either Level 1 or Level 2 depending on the Tesla adapter you are
using. And it is extremely portable, it coils up into a circle about 11" in dia
and 3" high.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 1:37 AM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Subject: [EVDL] L2&1 EVSE & L3 port optional: Bolt EV's In Production
>
> Rush sez: >the CSS Inlet and HV charging set up costs about $500 and ALSO the
Level 1
> charger costs another $500<
>
> I agree that the L3 (css) port should be standard on EVs. Especially on a
> 200+mi EV.
>
> The first (75mi) Leaf EVs were offered as cheap as possible, offering the L3
port as optional.
> IMO, this was a big mistake as used 1st-gen Leaf EVs without the L3 port have
a lower
> resale value. It would have been better to make the L3 port standard, and make
its power
> capability upgradeable: 25kW standard, or (like a Tesla option scheme) pay
extra for a
> software upgrade would make it 50+kW capable.
>
>
> *But I do not agree with not making a portable EVSE as standard with a Bolt EV
purchase.
> Times have changed. GM knows that Bolt buyers will be much more EV savvy. Only
those
> EV-ignorant buyers would pay $500 for a L1 EVSE.
>
> EV savvy buyers know that there are now so many options the 1st-gen production
EVs did
> not have:
> -dual voltage (240/120, L2-3kW/L1) portable EVSE available from several
different vendors
> (here are few of them) :
>
> https://store.openevse.com/products/openevse-30a-charge-station-combo
> OpenEVSE Kit - Level1 & Level2 50A Deluxe
> $269.00   Level 1 (120v) and Level 2 (208 - 240v)
>
>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Duosida-EVSE-Electric-Car-Charger-EV-PHEV-Level-2-16-Amp
s-
> 240V-3-8kW-2-in-1-
> /122022738374?hash=item1c691f39c6:g:Q0oAAOSwOdpX1Z21&vxp=mtr
> Duosida EVSE Electric Car Charger EV PHEV Level 2- 16 Amps@240V (3.8kW)
> 2-in-1*
> $289  100-250V AC Input on a 6-20P plug
>
>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AeroVironment-TurboCord-Dual-Plug-in-EV-Charger-120-240-
Volt-
> 16-Amp/391608513777
> AeroVironment TurboCord Dual Plug-in EV Charger, 120 & 240 Volt 16-Amp
> $475 ($450+shipping)
>
>
http://hybridautocenter.com/HAC4/index.php?option=com_hikashop&ctrl=product&task
=sho
>
w&cid=90&name=upgrade-service-for-nissan-leaf-level-1-evse-charger-j1772&Itemid=
605
> UPGRADE SERVICE for Nissan Leaf Level 1 EVSE Charger J1772
> $289
>
>
> No, I like the idea of not having to be stuck with an L1-only EVSE I do not
want, and like being
> able to buy a dual voltage EVSE on my own at a lower that $500 price.
>
>
>
>
> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
> http://evdl.org/evln/
>
>
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>
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Re: [EVDL] Local dealer $1k-deposit-signup(reserve): Bolt EV's In Production

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

I looked at the Bolt last night on line, spent a little while going thru the
stats, various reviews etc.

One thing that totally astounded me was that the CSS Inlet and HV charging set
up costs about $500 and ALSO the Level 1 charger costs another $500 or so. That
means that if you don't have access to an EVSE, you can't charge your Bolt.

Come on now folks, is this company really serious about entering into the EV
market? Why produce an EV it you won't even supply a way to charge it...

My 2 watts opinion...

Rush Dougherty
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Re: [EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Or you can follow the advice of an engineer from Tennessee that Tom True talked
to -
"The final recommendation from him was to discharge the pack to 10 miles or so
in range (according to the instrumentation), and fully recharge about once a
month to "refresh" the battery"
Which totally contradicts what the engineer said in the sentence before, "
Explaining that if you let the battery pack get below 10%, it would typically
brick (not allow a charge), and above 90%, that your could experience a thermal
even ( Thermal runaway & fire)."

Confusing, right?

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hanson via EV
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 1:34 PM
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> Subject: [EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity
>
> Thanks folks
>
> So if the Leaf charges at the 100% setting to 4.12vpc and 80% to 4.05vpc and
battery
> university says max life of 2k cycles is at 4.00vpc then I should change my
charge cut off at
> 80% for daily short trips of 15 miles typical.  Plus since balancing occurs
all the time there's
> no need to charge at 100% except for long trips Best regards Mark Sent from my
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Re: [EVDL] Cut-EVSE-cord-vandalism (not copper-thieves) Greenfield-MA

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

The Plug and cord, 20 ft, 30A, 10AWG that I sell weighs about 7.5 lbs

Rush Dougherty
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Re: [EVDL] WTB: Semi-obsolete AVCON charging station

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Check out my webpage on how to convert a DS-50, it might be helpful

http://tucsonev.com/EVIDS50.html


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> Subject: [EVDL] WTB: Semi-obsolete AVCON charging station
>
> I know a few of you have replaced the connector (and sometimes cable) on AVCON
> charging stations (ICS-200, DS-50, etc) with modern J1772 connectors.
> I need to modify a charging station with a longer cord anyway, so it wouldn't
be much extra
> effort to retrofit an older unit; does anyone have a unit for sale?
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Is wishy washy starting in on this group?

Rush Dougherty
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> Subject: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in
Burbank-CA(?)
>
> Oh dear. Someone went and repealed the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
>
> Jan Steinman
> EcoReality Co-op, http://www.EcoReality.org
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Since you seem to have more knowledge about this field than I do... please
enlighten me (and the others on this list) - what is that resistance called and
how does it make objects crash into the ground. What are the losses?

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: jackinausti...@gmail.com [mailto:jackinausti...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 6:58 PM
> To: Rush Dougherty; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in
Burbank-
> CA(?)
>
>
> > I think you've forgotten about a little pesky thing called gravity...
> > and while the distances maybe similar, the energy needed to get the
> > 'vehicle' back up to the same level, the rise, is more than the energy
gained on the fall.
>
> Best check your physics Rush. That same resistance to rising is what makes
objects
> crash into the ground. While there are losses, gravity isn't one of them.


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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Jack wrote -

> -Original Message-
>Since the uphill and downhill distances are
> the same, there is no net loss as compared to the surface that did not change
inclination.
> And the rise and fall of both the near end and the far end cause a similar
energy output

I think you've forgotten about a little pesky thing called gravity... and while
the distances maybe similar, the energy needed to get the 'vehicle' back up to
the same level, the rise, is more than the energy gained on the fall.

Rush Dougherty
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Re: [EVDL] Pop-starting a stick shift?

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

My Honda Insight has a neutral safety switch in it and I can jump start my 
stick 
shift...

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

>
> It likely has to do with the neutral safety switch that became mandatory in 
> new 
> cars a
> couple of decades ago.
> -Tom
>



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Re: [EVDL] Driving a Leaf from San Francisco to Santa Cruz and back.

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

http://www.geocontext.org/publ/2010/04/profiler/en/?topo_ha=20160613731379516

Hi all, here's a link (I think it works...) to geocontext, if you take some time
you can set up a route either by foot, bicycle, or car and find the up's and
down's...

It should be useful to some people that are really planning a trip to see
variations in longer mileage vs height gains/losses. It would also be an
excellent tool if somebody could integrate the numbers of the particular car and
calculate the kw needed.

Rush Dougherty
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> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:24 AM
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Driving a Leaf from San Francisco to Santa Cruz and back.
>
> Willie,
> Both Santa Cruz and San Francisco are close to sea level, the road that
Lawrence took is
> up the mountain and down the other side. Summit Road (as the name suggests) is
the
> highest point in the route, it goes down on both sides although on the Silicon
Valley side you
> still have a good distance of Freeway before reaching San Francisco.
> Here is location of the highest point in the route:
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Summit+Rd+%26+Santa+Cruz+Hwy,+Los+Gato
> s+CA
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> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Willie2 via EV
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:01 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Driving a Leaf from San Francisco to Santa Cruz and back.
>
> On 06/16/2016 11:52 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> > I work as a musician as some of you know and I am part of the Freeway
> Philharmonic.  I have to play a choral concert in Santa Cruz this month.
> I did my two ball routine which gives me on average 5miles per kw.  By the
time I hit the
> summit of the Santa Cruz mountain I was down to 20 miles and 4 to 5 bars.
When I got to
> Santa Cruz by coasting and using Eco drive and drive as braking I was up to 43
miles and
> 4 bars.  When driving home I was at 2 bars and 17 miles.  I account for the
> difference: driving home at night, against the wind & it was colder. But I
accomplished a
> drive which I was told was impossible on one charge in either direction
because of the
> mountain.  Myth busted.  Lawrence Rhodes
> >
> Congrats. Lawrence!
>
> For those of us not familiar with California, more route details would be
interesting.  It is not
> so much the total up and down on a route but the difference in elevation
between start and
> end of trip.  And, of course, the total road distance.  Can you provide those
two pieces of
> data?
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Re: [EVDL] EV charging is trivial on the large scale too

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719

Robert wrote -
> But a trivial problem.  All it takes is ONE parking spot covering of solar 
> panels to fully
> charge the average daily miles of an EV, FOREVER.  And every car in America 
> has 
> about 5
> parking spots each.  Home, work, church, school, retail, sports, etc...
>
> So if we just cover one parking spot of the FIVE with solar panels, we have 
> eliminated 80%
> of our carbon emissions due to transportation!  And it costs LESS than just 
> doing nothing!
> Self generated amortized cost of solar electricity is about half the cost of 
> the 
> utilities.
>
> Duh, its a no brainer...
>

Totally totally agree... here in Tucson the number of School and Church parking 
lots that have PV now covering them is increasing. It should be a LAW that all 
Home Depot, Best Buy, Fry's etc, all parking lots have PV on them.

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Re: [EVDL] OT: Molex products (was: Solder strength....)

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Great info Chris... and it should be of note to all of us that are interested 
in 
EV's. The Koch bros are not interested in EV's, in fact they are opposed to 
EV's 
and actively fund companies, individuals etc that are opposed to EV's.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Chris Tromley via EV
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 4:06 AM
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> Subject: [EVDL] OT: Molex products (was: Solder strength)
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > All this being said, yes crimping is better and my preferred method is
> > Molex.
>
>
> ?FYI,>
> ?I was surprised recently to learn that Molex is now? owned by Koch 
> Industries. 
> It has
> changed my approach to using Molex products.  There are alternatives.
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Re: [EVDL] $50 off EVSE deals found: 5kW, 10kW L2 w/ free-ship, ends 5/3>limited-supply

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

> % Found on:
>
http://electrek.co/2016/04/20/green-deals-leviton-12-ft-5kw-electric-vehicle-cha
rger-350-
> reg-400-more/
> Green Deals: Leviton 12-ft. 5kw Electric Vehicle Charger $350 (Reg. $400),
18-ft. $399
> (Reg. $450), more [20160420]

So an extra 6 ft costs $49... wow! That's over $8 per ft, what is the wire made
out of - Gold?

I sell extra 30A J1772 UL EVE 10AWG cord for $2.50 per foot.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Leaf EV is Still Better Than a Tesla

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Don't you just love the 'creative' attitude...

WILL SOON BE
This is set to change, however
has stated that we can expect
Future additions are said
newest Nissan Leaf is thought to have

What bs.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 12:20 AM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Leaf EV is Still Better Than a Tesla
>
>
>
> http://clapway.com/2016/04/09/nissan-leaf-still-better-tesla-5-things/
> Nissan Leaf is Still Better Than Tesla: 5 Things You Didn't Know April 9, 
> 2016 
> Anthony
> Cerullo
>
> With all the hype surrounding Tesla's Model 3, it's easy to forget about some 
> of 
> the lesser
> known electric cars. The less flashy but equally productive Nissan Leaf has 
> been 
> a best-
> selling vehicle for a reason. Here are five things you didn't know to stir 
> your 
> interest.
>
> 1. NISSAN LEAF WILL SOON BE SPORTY
> The current Nissan Leaf has gotten some flack for being a conservative 
> five-door
> hatchback. It's not necessarily ugly by any means, but it doesn't really 
> compete 
> with the
> sexiness that is a Tesla. This is set to change, however. The company's vice 
> president
> Shiro Nakamura has stated that we can expect an electric crossover Leaf and 
> sports car
> models as well.
>
> 2. IT USES THE SAME BATTERY AS TESLA
> Tesla models may have some of the most advanced batteries on the market.
> They're not the only ones with the technology, though. Nissan Leaf uses a 
> thin, 
> flat battery
> that can run the full width of the car from axle to axle.
> It conveniently fits under the floor pan and  only take up 4-6 inches of 
> space. 
> Future
> additions are said to be even thinner.
>
> 3. MULTIPLE BATTERY OPTIONS WILL BE AVAILABLE The newest Nissan Leaf is
> thought to have at least two battery options. The first will be in the 
> 100-125 
> miles range
> while the larger, second option will be 160-200 miles.
>
> 4. INCREASED SPEED
> Most people probably don't think of speed when they think of electric cars, 
> but 
> both Tesla
> and Nissan have been proving people wrong. Back in 2011, the car maker 
> revealed 
> its
> Esflow design. A few years later that idea has come back in style in the form 
> of 
> a rear-
> wheel-drive electric car that will go 0-62mph in five seconds. It's no 
> rocket, 
> but it will
> certainly pique the interest of some speed demons out there.
>
> 5. 200,000 LEAF SOLD GLOBALLY
> The 200,000th Nissan Leaf was sold globally this year. This puts the electric 
> car ahead of
> any other electric car in history. Yes, even Tesla.
> Sales are about twice the volume of the closest competitor. Nissan must be 
> doing
> something right.
> [© 2016 - Clapway]
>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (Why?) Nissan sez it is 'Tesla-3 Stoked' ...

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Mark

Fact, Data, Truth, whatever you chose to call it - the EV1 was not SOLD, it was
leased

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via
EV
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:57 PM
> To: EVDL Administrator; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (Why?) Nissan sez it is 'Tesla-3 Stoked' ...
>
>  Yep, I remember the Impact. Great pre-production car. I had a chance to go
for a ride in
> one.
> But GM is a very different company today than it was under Stempel- that was
25 years
> ago!
> In any case, this is NOT data relating to dealers selling EVs. It's not even
data...
>
>
> - Mark
>
>
>  From: EVDL Administrator via EV  To: "'Electric Vehicle
Discussion
> List'"  Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (Why?) Nissan sez it is
'Tesla-3
> Stoked' ... Date: 4/12/16, 4:43 PM
>
>
> On 12 Apr 2016 at 14:29, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote:
>
> > I'd say that the first chapter would be about the EV1, A fantastic EV
> > by any standard that GM did NOT want to sell and was CRUSHED ...
>
> Yeah, literally crushed.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ev1_crush5.jpg
>
> I wish I could find where I read it and get corroboration, but there's a story
about the Impact,
> the Aerovironment-built prototype that eventually
> became the EV1.
>
> The tale goes that when GM showed the Impact at the 1990 (I think it was) LA
auto show,
> one of their executives, possibly Robert Stempel himself, was standing next to
a board
> member of CARB.  The CARB rep was praising the Impact and its potential to the
heavens.
> Stempel is supposed to have listened for a few minutes, gradually becoming
more agitated.
> Finally he looked at the guy and said, point-blank, "You're not really going
to make us
> BUILD that car, are you?"
>
> I was surprised when they actually put the Volt on the market.  When it comes
to EVs, GM
> has generally been little talk and even less action.  Most of their EV
"experiments" seemed
> to revolve around demonstrating just how
> allegedly impractical EVs are / were.
>
> Look at the 1966 Electrovair II.  It was a converted Corvair, really not that
much different in
> size and weight from the Impact / EV1, but even more impossible to mass
produce.  But
> unlike the Impact, it didn't use batteries that might be affordable.  Instead
they filled it with
> silver zinc batteries.  On these high-energy (for the time) batteries it got
as much as
> 80 miles of range.
>
> Did you catch that the batteries were silver=based?  Can you imagine how much
that cost?
> Try $160,000 in 1966.  That's just for the battery.  The Electrovair's battery
alone cost 64
> times as much as a 1966 Corvair ICE ($2500).
>
> Today that 500+ volt silver-zinc battery would cost $1.2 million, based on
inflation
> adjustment on the original cost, and about $8 million based on the
> current value of silver.
>
> Of >course< the Electrovair was impractical.  GM didn't WANT it to be
practical, any more
> than they wanted the Impact / EV1 to be practical.
>
> GM has been that kind of company for as long as I've been following EVs.
> That's been since around 1967.  Maybe that history helps you understand why
some of us
> remain deeply skeptical of GM's sincerity.
>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (Why?) Nissan sez it is 'Tesla-3 Stoked' ...

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Mark wrote
>
>  I'd be interested in seeing the data you refer to that shows that most GM
dealers try to
> avoid selling EVs.[]

H... interesting 'my head is stuck in the sand' attitude, wanting data

Well, just as a wild guess, I'd say that the first chapter would be about the
EV1.

A fantastic EV by any standard that GM did NOT want to sell and was CRUSHED
because the auto industry didn't want to reduce pollution...


Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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