Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes
On 14/10/18 10:12, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 14 Oct 2018 at 7:57, Tom Parker via EV wrote: My 2016 Leaf has remote charge port opening -- the key fob has a 3rd button, if you hold it down for about 2 seconds, the door opens. Darned if I can see the point of this. How hard could it be to open the charging port door with your left hand, when you're standing there with the charging connector in your right hand? (Or vice versa.) Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like I'd be more trouble to get the keys out and find the right button. And then you have to hold it down for a while. Nuisance. Like the other Tom, I don't use it very often but it is useful if you forget to open the charge port before getting out of the car and the keys are handy. If the keys are buried in a bag I find it 's easier to bring the bag to the car and open the door and press the button to open the charge port rather than find the keys and press the button on the key. OTOH, inside release fuel filler doors make sense. They help prevent fuel theft. But with an EV, who's gonna steal your electrons? Agreed, there isn't a major need to lock the charge port, except perhaps to reduce the vandalism attack surface. Other cars do it better than the Leaf, for example the i3 charge port opens when you push it, but it still locks with the car which may or may not be necessary. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes
On 14/10/18 07:46, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: I meant on the key fob. For the 2011 and 2012 there is only a dash handle to open the door latch. The 2013+ has an electric latch opener, so theoretically it can be opened remotely, but the functions on the wireless interface are severely limited. Cor. My 2016 Leaf has remote charge port opening -- the key fob has a 3rd button, if you hold it down for about 2 seconds, the door opens. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery pack overheating due to depth of discharge.
Lawrence,
Is this a 30kWh leaf?
We've seen that they will accept charge much faster than the 24kWh leaves,
maintaining 50kW for most of the charge to 80%. This will put a lot more I^2R
heating into the battery than charging slower. The 24kWh cars average under
25kW for a charge to 80%.
How hot is 5 and 9 bars?
On Jun 22, 2017 9:45 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > After driving 135
miles down to 13% charging back up to 85% caused the pack to go from 6 bars to
9. Today the plan is to try to stay above 50%. So far so good. The pack
hasn't exceeded 6 bars. This is in hotter temperature than yesterday. So
ambient temperature doesn't seem a big factor. It is large depth of discharge
then a fast charge. Now in Santa Barbara. Going to Rancho Jarupa near
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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf CAN Bus Man in the Middle
On 14/03/17 07:07, Bill Dube via EV wrote: Outstanding work Tom. Not many folks have the ability (or patience) to tackle this job, but a lot of us will use this. Makes the Leaf battery module so much more useful as a functional unit. To be clear my contribution so far is only * writing a simple tool to explore how the system behaves when messages are modified * writing a configuration file for kayak and a wireshark dissector to decode some of the can bus messages * finding the car mostly works when the battery can send messages to it and it cannot send messages to the battery * discovering which signals the leaf instrument cluster is using for the capacity, temperature and state of charge displays The work to decipher enough of the Leaf BMS to use it outside the car was done by others. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf CAN Bus Man in the Middle
On 13/03/17 04:39, Jay Summet via EV wrote: The next time I use a Leaf pack on an EV I want to be able to just plug it in "unmodified" and make use of the existing BMS and CAN interface, it's good to know that people are making good progress on the "auto" side of this. The BMS is already understood mostly enough to use in a conversion. While it evidently logs an error when the car is missing, it's quite happy to tell you the battery current, voltage, remaining capacity and cell voltage levels. There are some more signals that would be a good idea to follow but I don't know if anyone has identified them: * High voltage discharge permit signal * System main relay ON permit signal * Insulation resistance signal * Li-ion battery dischargeable power signal ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Nissan Leaf CAN Bus Man in the Middle
I wrote a man in the middle for the leaf battery communication. It uses can4python and Kayak's kcd format to describe the signals. It probably only works on Linux. Source code is here https://carrott.org/git/leaf-can-utils.git It decodes all the messages received on one interface (from the battery) into signals, lets me change their values, and then re-encodes them back into the can bus format, recalculates the new checksum when necessary and sends them out the other interface (to the car). Yesterday I spent some time testing it on a Gen 1 leaf at https://bluecars.nz We cut the can bus wires inside the battery box, just after they go through the water proof connector to the outside and connected about 1 metre of thin figure 8 wire to each side of the cut. This let us access the bus on the car and the bus on the battery while the battery was plugged in under the car. It's possible to get enough slack in the internal battery loom to feed the connector all the way through the machined hole and make room for some extra wires to pass through. With the two pairs connected together, the car behaved normally, going into ready and spinning the wheels. The BMS module terminates the bus so we connected a termination resistor to the car side of the cut and used termination on the CAN interface talking to the battery. We plugged the other end of the man in the middle to the OBD2 port and didn't use termination. The MitM just worked. The car is very tolerant of errors on the CAN bus. You can stop the battery messages and it goes into turtle mode and all the battery info disappears off the instrument cluster. When you re-start the battery messages it goes back to normal mode and the battery info reappears. Start-up is quite critical, if you don't let the battery send it's start up messages the car doesn't go into ready mode. The car never shut down or went into a permanent turtle mode while I was messing with data on the bus -- it always went back to normal mode if I restored the unmodified messages flow from the BMS. I modified the data in nearly every field to see what would happen. The car will go into ready and turn the wheels even when it cannot send messages to the battery. This means the startup sequence doesn't involve a car to battery handshake, even if the car is expecting some startup messages from the battery within a time window. The "check engine" light comes on and it does record some DTCs: * P3180 (EVC-249) VCM detects an error signal that is received from LBC via CAN communication for 0.02 seconds or more. * P3183 (EVC-250) After a lapse of 0.3 seconds from M/C RELAY ON, the following state remains for 2.8 seconds or more: LBC's calculation result to the VCM-set example question is incorrect. My MitM only works in one direction (from the battery to the car) and it turns out my CAN bus setup wouldn't let two programs play together, so when I started a CAN repeater (candump -b) to copy data from the car to the battery I got corrupted frames and no buffer space errors. I'm going to make the MitM work in both directions to resolve this. If you play a different car's battery messages into this car, it does not go into ready. I didn't spend much time on this and I didn't write code to start the BMS messages at the right time, I just started playing the recording of a running BMS and switched the car on. One experiment that I should have tried was to start the car with it's real battery and then switch to messages recorded from a different car. There are some new DTCs when you try to start a the car while playing messages recorded from another car including * P3102 Li-ion Battery ID Registration must be performed if the Li-ion battery controller or VCM is replaced. The next experiment is to swap in a BMS module from another car. I figured out some more of the BMS protocol by messing with the data and seeing how the car reacted. The Fuel Gauge display on the instrument cluster is powered by the GIDs signal (the first 10 bits of 0x5BC), not the state of charge signal (first 10 bits of 0x55B). I guess it knows how many GIDS is "full" because the battery will have fewer gids and still read full as it ages. 0x5BC bits 36-39 (ie the high nibble of the 5th byte) somehow effects the Fuel Gauge, lower numbers mean more bars, all other things being the same. Maybe this is used to calculate how many GIDs each bar is worth? I haven't explored this. The battery capacity gauge (the bars outside the fuel gauge) is controlled by a muxed field, when 0x5BC bits 32-35 (ie the low nibble of the 5th byte) is 0x3, 0x5BC bits 16-19 (ie the low nibble of the 3rd byte) contains the capacity bars. I haven't yet used the mux field support in the kcd format to express this -- can4python doesn't support it so I had to hand code it. The cluster does not remember the capacity -- changing this value directly manipulates the number of bars displayed, the
Re: [EVDL] Anyone interested in 2015 Leaf drivetrain or interior/exterior/suspension parts?
On 27/01/17 13:36, Collin Kidder via EV wrote: Any logs anyone could send me from a Leaf would be great. But, I might be on to something. Byte 4 (the fifth byte if you start counting at 0) is always a constant value for a given car. It stays the same across all 0x5C0 frames, it stays the same whether driving or charging. Every vehicle I've got a capture from has a unique byte here that never changes with any captures from that car no matter what else the car is doing. Pretty much all of the rest of the bytes change as you charge or discharge. I think what might be happening is that this byte is a sort of identifier that the rest of the system uses to see whether the pack is the same one it last knew. 256 unique values might not seem like a lot but that means that your odds of getting a pack with the same byte as your old pack is 1/256 or less than 0.5% - not so likely. One way to test this would be to set up a man in the middle configuration and then change that byte and see if it makes the car puke. Or, take a car with a replaced pack and try to change the reported byte from the new LBC to the reported byte from the old LBC and see if the car then wants to work better. I don't see a constant here. With the exception of one capture, each capture from my car has a single value in byte 4 but it is decreasing (except once when it went down and up) slowly over the last year or so for which I have data: Each line represents one capture and has the following format byte_number value_in_hex:count_in_decimal 4 84:7 4 84:12 4 84:14 4 84:80 4 84:252 4 84:128 4 84:10 4 84:14 4 82:1607 4 82:40 4 82:22 4 82:91 4 80:40 4 80:4332 4 7e:14 4 7e:53 4 7c:531 fe:1 4 7c:36 4 7c:19 4 7c:6 4 7a:72 4 7c:8 4 7c:22 4 7c:8 4 7c:28 4 7c:30 4 7c:1 4 7a:40 4 7a:165 4 7a:38 4 7a:54 The exception was captured during remote climate control, and I have 531 frames with 7c with one frame containing fe about 2/3 of the way through the capture: 1572272017-01-07 08:38:05.031301LBC 0x5c016STD: 0x05c0 c0 72 74 00 7c d4 00 00 1575332017-01-07 08:38:05.531215LBC 0x5c016STD: 0x05c0 00 fe fe 00 fe fc 00 00 1572272017-01-07 08:38:05.031301LBC 0x5c016STD: 0x05c0 c0 72 74 00 7c d4 00 00 I have 2 short captures made on the same day from a Gen 2 and there it alternates between two values: 4 ba:5 c0:2 4 ba:8 c0:4 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Anyone interested in 2015 Leaf drivetrain or interior/exterior/suspension parts?
On 27/01/17 07:29, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Also, the LBC validation happens without disconnecting the aux battery. I know for sure as I never disconnect the 12V battery and when I swapped my pack for a complete replacement pack from Washington State, the yellow light on the dash came on and my Leaf was in Limp mode while I only disconnected the (non-energized, due to the contactors in the pack) HV lines and the control bus. Just wheeling the original pack back under my Leaf and swapping the connectors removed the Limp mode, so I know for a fact that the Leaf validates the battery upon pressing the power button while the aux battery is connected continuously, so it seems that you were looking at the wrong thing. Probably a trace of the EV bus as soon as the power button is depressed (when a *lot* of communication is happening) will tell the story. You may start the trace as soon as the brake is pressed. Thank you for this information Cor! I have many captures of my car's startup on the EV Bus and unless my hardware misses the important frames, I don't see anything special at startup. 0x603 is sent once, is the first frame sent and always with payload 00. A number of frames are sent with lots of bits set which later contain valid data - for example the first couple of frames from the LBC: 1 2017-01-26 21:47:24.907267CAN16STD: 0x0603 00 8 2017-01-26 21:47:24.993307VCM Info 16STD: 0x01f2 08 64 00 00 00 01 01 06 652017-01-26 21:47:25.139218LBC Battery V/A16STD: 0x01db 7f e0 ff c6 00 00 00 de 662017-01-26 21:47:25.140191LBC 0x1dc 16STD: 0x01dc ff ff ff ff 1f ff fc 6b And I can see the VCM go through it's startup sequence (in 0x1f2 byte 5). However all the frames other than 0x603 are sent more than once per second. I'll capture startup from some more cars, identify which bytes are different and use a man in the middle to selectively tamper with those bytes and see what causes the car to reject the battery. Hopefully there aren't too many differences! Carl at https://bluecars.nz/ has a leaf system on the bench, so establishing the man in the middle won't be too hard. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Anyone interested in 2015 Leaf drivetrain or interior/exterior/suspension parts?
On 27/01/17 07:06, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Did you grab communication from *both* CAN buses? The Leaf's Battery Controller (LBC) communicates via the VCM which is connected to both the EV CAN bus and the normal CAN bus, to the Combination Meter, which is supposed to hold the key that is paired to the LBC. So some communication spills over from one CAN bus to the other. Both are available on the OBD (Data Link) connector. Without a dump from both, it is hard to tell what would disable/enable the Leaf since only half the communication can be seen. I'm only capturing the EV CAN bus -- I'm interested in how the BMS is authenticated by the rest of the car, so that transaction must pass through the EV bus to get to the BMS. Unless it isn't done on the CAN bus at all, but that seems unlikely? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Anyone interested in 2015 Leaf drivetrain or interior/exterior/suspension parts?
On 24/01/17 23:25, Tom Parker via EV wrote: On my car, there is only one frame that isn't repeated continuously after startup (0x603 is sent once, with a single byte payload which is 00 in my captures). I'll try disconnecting the 12v battery tomorrow and see if anything different happens at when it's connected, or during the first startup. I removed the 12V battery and there was no activity on the EV CAN bus when it was reconnected. There were also no new messages when I turned the car on, and other than 0x603, they all streamed continuously. I waited quite a long time (10 minutes maybe) before reconnecting the battery. I guess this means the BMS authentication is in the repeating messages, or it is triggered by some other event than disconnecting the 12V battery, or you can have the 12V battery disconnected for a very long time without breaking the BMS authentication. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Anyone interested in 2015 Leaf drivetrain or interior/exterior/suspension parts?
On 24/01/17 04:07, Ed Blackmond via EV wrote: I am interested in learning how to reset the capacity gauge. Cor replaced the battery cells in my 2011 Leaf about 2000 miles ago. LeafSpy now reports about 62.5AH, but the capacity gauge on the dash hasn't budged. I get over 265 GIDs on a full charge and the car has range equal to what it was when new. The state of charge gauge works fine and the distance to empty number is as inaccurate as ever. When you say the capacity gauge, do you mean the outer column of battery bars? IE you car still has the number of bars remaining that your old battery had before it was replaced? You kept the original BMS, right? Do you know if the BMS is reporting healthy data and the instrument cluster is ignoring it, or if the BMS is reporting the old data? Obviously the BMS is reporting Ah & GIDs values that match the battery, but perhaps those values don't drive the instrument display? What about the SOH? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Anyone interested in 2015 Leaf drivetrain or interior/exterior/suspension parts?
On 23/01/17 10:52, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: I sent you a separate email with an idea to avoid a fake Leaf pack and still keep the BMS happy and report SoC. Is anyone trying to reverse engineer the handshake between the Leaf BMS and the rest of the car? As I understand it, the Leaf BMS is quite happy to work on it's own but some other part car authenticates the BMS and is not happy if the BMS is swapped. A friend tried swapping the whole battery including the BMS he says the car was not happy, it worked but only in Turtle mode, regardless of state of charge. Has anyone identified the CAN bus messages that contain the authentication handshake? I've been collecting information at https://carrott.org/emini/Nissan_Leaf_OVMS#Leaf_Can_Bus but I haven't seen information about the BMS authentication. Could you put a man in the middle between the BMS and the rest of the car which allows the original BMS board to authenticate, but replaces all the battery status messages with "everything is fine"? Obviously the man in the middle would need to talk to the BMS on the new battery (either another Nissan or a whole new BMS or whatever) and tell the car everything is not fine if the new battery is in trouble. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
On 04/01/17 04:50, Collin Kidder via EV wrote: I don't think that generic sales pitches are acceptable on this list but since it is topically relevant I'd like to quickly mention that I am involved in the creation of many pieces of hardware and software to aid in these things. CANDue: http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=EVTVDue2=23 SavvyCAN: http://www.savvycan.com Along these lines, the audio from https://xi.hope.net/schedule.html#-2016-car-hacking-tools- is worth a listen and gives links to http://opengarages.org/index.php/Tools (which includes Colin's SavvyCAN) and other resources. More advanced, https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8131-dieselgate_a_year_later shows how to glitch a VW ECU to bypass the flash read-protect and retrieve a firmware image (also the technical Dieselgate information is interesting but off topic). Going from a firmware image to an emulated ECU is probably the hard way to make a modern car work without it's ICE. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Japanese leaf charging cable
On 05/03/2016 08:28 AM, George Tyler via EV wrote: Hi, here in NZ many people are importing used Nissan Leaf's from Japan. Japan has different voltage and frequency to the supply here, leaf charging cable: 200V 60hz, NZ voltage 230V 50Hz. There is a small transformer in the cable that has to be changed, but opening the cable means that it has to be re-certified. Does anyone know what the charging cable electronics does? The cable has an EVSE embedded in it. This basically tells the car how much current is available and only turns on the power if a car is actually present. In the EVSE supplied with the Gen 1 cars the power supply for the circuit inside the EVSE has a mains step down transformer not for more than 200v. This transformer will saturate on 240V and get very hot. The dealer forgot to do the replacement on our car and it failed after about 6 weeks being plugged in continuously. They replaced it with one that had been modified. I think you may also have to replace some over-voltage protection too. What is the certification you're worried by? I'm not aware of needing a certification to plug something in in New Zealand. The EVSE supplied with the Gen 2 cars is smaller, I don't know if that one needs modification or not. If you don't want to modify the Nissan EVSE you might look at https://bluecars.nz/bc-shop/ in Auckland. Carl has an 8-10-16A selectable EVSE with a 16A caravan plug & a caravan to "normal" 10A 3 pin plug adapter (with 10A circuit breaker and RCD). He also has a fixed 8A EVSE. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
