Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

In San Francisco there is a law that says gutters go on the sidewalks(some 
places allow gutters to drain under the sidewalk to the street which would be a 
great place to run a wire) or in the sewer no connection to the curb so getting 
creative you could put the cord out a door or window and over to a street sign 
then down to the car.  This would keep pedestrians safe.  However if anyone 
complained it would be obvious.  You could get or build a cable ramp for 
wheelchairs and pedestrians.  Still obvious. You could used a planted tree with 
a cutout in the sidewalk to hide a conduit. All of these would get you a fine 
in San Francisco. So if you do any of these do it overnight. Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[Harsha Godavari via EV]

I would insert a nylon rope (longer than the pipe) in the pipe before laying it 
down. Then I could attach my cable to end of the rope and pull it through when 
I am ready.

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Sent: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:27:40 -0600 (MDT)
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On Tue Jul 30 17:13:37 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>What's a good way to protect the conduit when I
>cover the holes?
>
>I don't want to get "lucky" when someone
>drives a truck on this grassy strip.
>
>Maybe an elbow on each end, and an oversize cap?
>It needs to be buried for final inspection :-)

I'd use the gray schedule 80 electrical PVC conduit, and something like 3" to 
make it REALLY easy to pull cable through it.


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Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Tue Jul 30 17:13:37 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>What's a good way to protect the conduit when I
>cover the holes?
>
>I don't want to get "lucky" when someone
>drives a truck on this grassy strip.
>
>Maybe an elbow on each end, and an oversize cap?
>It needs to be buried for final inspection :-)

I'd use the gray schedule 80 electrical PVC conduit, and something like 3" to 
make it REALLY easy to pull cable through it.


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Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

I'd just put pipe caps on the ends finger tight and bury it till after they
are done.  Then dig down to find the pipe and decide then how you want to
route things afterward.

bob

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 8:13 PM Seth Rothenberg via EV 
wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 1:35 PM Robert Bruninga  wrote:
>
> > Go buy a piece of 1.5" PVC conduit and get it down before they pour the
> > concrete!
> > Then you can run your cord under the sidewalk ANY time you want later.
> Bob
> >
>
> Bob et al,
> I have laid the groundwork (literally) for this.
>
> I just dug down 12" on either side of the sidewalk excavation,
> careful to avoid the infamous roots that started this all.
> I refilled the holes for the rough inspection tomorrow,
> but they will be easy to redig with the loose dirt.
> ..and I'll need to move the gravel aside
>
> What's a good way to protect the conduit when I
> cover the holes?
>
> I don't want to get "lucky" when someone
> drives a truck on this grassy strip.
>
> Maybe an elbow on each end, and an oversize cap?
> It needs to be buried for final inspection :-)
>
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Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[Peri Hartman via EV]

A good bed of crushed gravel, like "3/8 minus", underneath the conduit 
with more on top. As long as the crushed gravel is sitting on firm soil, 
it will not shift when weight is applied to it.


However, there is conduit made for electrical conduit: "schedule 40". 
It's probably strong enough on it's own, assuming it doesn't have too 
much deflection or shear.


Peri

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Sent: 30-Jul-19 5:13:37 PM
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On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 1:35 PM Robert Bruninga  wrote:


 Go buy a piece of 1.5" PVC conduit and get it down before they pour the
 concrete!
 Then you can run your cord under the sidewalk ANY time you want later.  Bob



Bob et al,
I have laid the groundwork (literally) for this.

I just dug down 12" on either side of the sidewalk excavation,
careful to avoid the infamous roots that started this all.
I refilled the holes for the rough inspection tomorrow,
but they will be easy to redig with the loose dirt.
..and I'll need to move the gravel aside

What's a good way to protect the conduit when I
cover the holes?

I don't want to get "lucky" when someone
drives a truck on this grassy strip.

Maybe an elbow on each end, and an oversize cap?
It needs to be buried for final inspection :-)

Thanks
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Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[Seth Rothenberg via EV]

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 1:35 PM Robert Bruninga  wrote:

> Go buy a piece of 1.5" PVC conduit and get it down before they pour the
> concrete!
> Then you can run your cord under the sidewalk ANY time you want later.  Bob
>

Bob et al,
I have laid the groundwork (literally) for this.

I just dug down 12" on either side of the sidewalk excavation,
careful to avoid the infamous roots that started this all.
I refilled the holes for the rough inspection tomorrow,
but they will be easy to redig with the loose dirt.
..and I'll need to move the gravel aside

What's a good way to protect the conduit when I
cover the holes?

I don't want to get "lucky" when someone
drives a truck on this grassy strip.

Maybe an elbow on each end, and an oversize cap?
It needs to be buried for final inspection :-)

Thanks
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Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[jim--- via EV]

I did a similar when my sidewalk was replaced a decade or so ago.  Not for EV 
charging however.  I ran two 3/4" water pipes for sprinklers for the grass in 
the parking strip, and two 3/4" electrical conduits for lighting.  I just 
capped them at each end for future use.  The water ones may not get used 
because I may end up with artificial turn there, but one of these days I expect 
to use the electrical conduits.

Jim Walls
K6CCC



-Original Message-
From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" 
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 10:35
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
Cc: "Robert Bruninga" 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

Go buy a piece of 1.5" PVC conduit and get it down before they pour the
concrete!
Then you can run your cord under the sidewalk ANY time you want later.  Bob

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From: EV  On Behalf Of Seth Rothenberg via EV
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

The timing of this discussion is great.
My sidewalk is being replaced.
I had asked the contractor before he started if I would be able to use my
driveway and he said not at all.

So, on the way home, I stopped at the only fast charger in the
neighborhood
the ChadeMo plug was available, but the machine only serves one at a time,
and there was a big NYC SUV-taxi charging on CCS.   I talked to the driver,
he was settled in for the long haul.  I gave him encouragement about driving
an EV.
There are not so many places to charge in NYC at the moment.

So I arrived home almost on empty.
At about 1:00 am, I pulled my car into my neighbor's driveway, moved the
cable for my OpenEVSE to that side of the house, put a note to say "Sorry to
block you, Knock if you need to get out", and sat down in the DR to install
a couple of Ensemble/HealthShare instances.
There was no knock, and I moved the car at 2.

The differences are - I was tresspassing/blocking him, but I knew if I had
asked, he would allow.
And it was my electricity, about 6 KWh.

Then, last night, I wanted to top off
Long ago, I had asked the City Code official if I would be allowed to put an
outlet at the curb, and was told, no, it is a right-of-way
and they won't allow a cord across the sidewalk.

Well, my sidewalk is a construction zone.
So I parked with the nose of my car touching the cones, ran 50'  12  gauge
extension across the gravel and the forms, and charged over night.  I might
need to do the same Monday night, since I drive again on Tuesday.  Or I can
explore a Level 2 that I have not visited yet in a neighboring town


On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 9:57 AM paul dove via EV  wrote:

> What’s funny about that is that he couldn’t have gotten more than 2 or
> 3 dollars worth of electricity.
>
> Maybe a misdemeanor not even sure a judge would bother when the did
> the math but that is very rude.
>
> I can see the home owner being upset and worse yet parking in the grass.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 27, 2019, at 3:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28524175/tesla-owner-steals-electri
> city-charging/
> > Florida Man Parks His Tesla Overnight on a Stranger's Lawn to Steal
> > Electricity Jul 26, 2019  Clifford Atiyeh
> >
> > [image
> >
> https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/screen-sh
> ot-2019-07-26-at-6-16-20-pm-1564179397.png
> > Tesla charging on front lawn  / WPBF News ]
> >
> > The owner of the Tesla Model 3 used an extension cord to plug in to
> > a complete stranger's outlet for 12 hours.
> >
> >This actually happened and is not a joke, as reported by WPBF 25
> > in
> Lake
> > Worth, Florida.
> >
> >A Tesla Model 3 was left outside on a homeowner's lawn for 12
> > hours to charge using his electricity, all without his knowledge or
> > permission.
> >
> >Please do not be this pathetic while driving an EV.
> >
> > Driving an electric car can sometimes make a calm person slide into
> bouts of
> > extreme desperation. That may be the kindest way to describe why a
> Florida
> > man ditched his Tesla on another person's lawn, stole electricity
> > from
> that
> > house, and walked off to party with friends in the middle of the night.
> >
> > WPBF 25 television reported this exact scene in Lake Worth, a
> > seaside
> locale
> > just south of West Palm Beach, that occurred last Friday. The Model
> > 3
> owner,
> > who was lucky to be unnamed in the story and have trespassing
> > charges dropped by the homeowner, said his car's battery had died on
> > the way to a friend's house around midnight. So, he figured, why not
> > pull up 

Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

Since we are trotting out charging tales, here's mine, it ties in 
with Bob's EV charging sign thread nicely as well:


Last year, right after I did my LiFePO4 conversion, I was unsure of 
my range, and still being cautious about charging before heading out 
to my rural home from town. I asked a business owner if I could plug 
into a L1 receptacle on the front of their building after hours to 
top up while I was at an evening Board of Director's meeting across 
the street at the public library. She said "Sure".


After the meeting I came out to find that my car was unplugged, but 
rather than it being the work of vandals, it was the local law 
enforcement that yanked the cord, leaving a business car in my window 
threatening a citation for theft of service, blah, blah.


I called the cop at the station and gave her a proper dressing down, 
including that I had permission and that she had actually possibly 
created a public safety hazard by forcing me to drive home in the 
dark on a secondary road on a partially depleted pack. I threw in 
that my route had no cell service, and that I had just had knee 
surgery, so I couldn't walk for help. For good measure, I asked if 
she had been sure that the car wasn't in a cool-down mode, venting 
explosive gasses from building up, contained a vaccine refrigerator, etc.


I got an apology, but that made me double down, and I reminded her 
that she had stepped in and interfered with a private transaction 
without cause. By the time I was done, all she wanted was to get off 
the phone with me. It was very cathartic.


A few of Bob's "OK to charge" signs around town would be great. I ask 
at the hospital, etc every time I check in where the EVSE is, but 
after blank stares, they call Maintenace, and tell me that they don't 
have any, the cost is too great.


Maybe this is the start of a movement?

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[Peri Hartman via EV]

That's exactly why I think mini markets with "fueling" stations are here 
to stay. It won't be long before there are enough EVs and charge times 
short enough that they'll see a financial advantage to supporting EVSEs.


Peri

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Sent: 28-Jul-19 10:31:56 AM
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towed)



On 28 Jul 2019 at 11:59, Seth Rothenberg via EV wrote:


 The timing of this discussion is great. My sidewalk is being replaced. I
 had asked the contractor before he started if I would be able to use my
 driveway and he said not at all.


This illustrates the problem some people have with charging EVs, even when
there's no unusual construction or obstruction.

A friend of mine lives in an apartment in a small town in rural France.  She
really wanted to get an EV.  However, there's no off-street parking.  She
can't even park on the street next to her apartment, so even if she could
persuade the landlady to install an EVSE or a receptacle, and legally lay
the cable across the sidewalk (very doubtful), she still couldn't charge an
EV at home.  The nearest public EVSE is over 10km km away in another town,
and if that one isn't available for some reason, the next closest after that
is 23km away.

So she bought an E-bike instead.  That she can take inside the apartment to
charge.

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Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

Go buy a piece of 1.5" PVC conduit and get it down before they pour the
concrete!
Then you can run your cord under the sidewalk ANY time you want later.  Bob

-Original Message-
From: EV  On Behalf Of Seth Rothenberg via EV
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

The timing of this discussion is great.
My sidewalk is being replaced.
I had asked the contractor before he started if I would be able to use my
driveway and he said not at all.

So, on the way home, I stopped at the only fast charger in the
neighborhood
the ChadeMo plug was available, but the machine only serves one at a time,
and there was a big NYC SUV-taxi charging on CCS.   I talked to the driver,
he was settled in for the long haul.  I gave him encouragement about driving
an EV.
There are not so many places to charge in NYC at the moment.

So I arrived home almost on empty.
At about 1:00 am, I pulled my car into my neighbor's driveway, moved the
cable for my OpenEVSE to that side of the house, put a note to say "Sorry to
block you, Knock if you need to get out", and sat down in the DR to install
a couple of Ensemble/HealthShare instances.
There was no knock, and I moved the car at 2.

The differences are - I was tresspassing/blocking him, but I knew if I had
asked, he would allow.
And it was my electricity, about 6 KWh.

Then, last night, I wanted to top off
Long ago, I had asked the City Code official if I would be allowed to put an
outlet at the curb, and was told, no, it is a right-of-way
and they won't allow a cord across the sidewalk.

Well, my sidewalk is a construction zone.
So I parked with the nose of my car touching the cones, ran 50'  12  gauge
extension across the gravel and the forms, and charged over night.  I might
need to do the same Monday night, since I drive again on Tuesday.  Or I can
explore a Level 2 that I have not visited yet in a neighboring town


On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 9:57 AM paul dove via EV  wrote:

> What’s funny about that is that he couldn’t have gotten more than 2 or
> 3 dollars worth of electricity.
>
> Maybe a misdemeanor not even sure a judge would bother when the did
> the math but that is very rude.
>
> I can see the home owner being upset and worse yet parking in the grass.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 27, 2019, at 3:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28524175/tesla-owner-steals-electri
> city-charging/
> > Florida Man Parks His Tesla Overnight on a Stranger's Lawn to Steal
> > Electricity Jul 26, 2019  Clifford Atiyeh
> >
> > [image
> >
> https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/screen-sh
> ot-2019-07-26-at-6-16-20-pm-1564179397.png
> > Tesla charging on front lawn  / WPBF News ]
> >
> > The owner of the Tesla Model 3 used an extension cord to plug in to
> > a complete stranger's outlet for 12 hours.
> >
> >This actually happened and is not a joke, as reported by WPBF 25
> > in
> Lake
> > Worth, Florida.
> >
> >A Tesla Model 3 was left outside on a homeowner's lawn for 12
> > hours to charge using his electricity, all without his knowledge or
> > permission.
> >
> >Please do not be this pathetic while driving an EV.
> >
> > Driving an electric car can sometimes make a calm person slide into
> bouts of
> > extreme desperation. That may be the kindest way to describe why a
> Florida
> > man ditched his Tesla on another person's lawn, stole electricity
> > from
> that
> > house, and walked off to party with friends in the middle of the night.
> >
> > WPBF 25 television reported this exact scene in Lake Worth, a
> > seaside
> locale
> > just south of West Palm Beach, that occurred last Friday. The Model
> > 3
> owner,
> > who was lucky to be unnamed in the story and have trespassing
> > charges dropped by the homeowner, said his car's battery had died on
> > the way to a friend's house around midnight. So, he figured, why not
> > pull up onto a stranger's front lawn and stretch a 120-volt cord to
> > an external outlet—a grounded plug surrounded by well-manicured
> > landscaping, just perfect—and leave the car for 12 hours?
> >
> > Homeowner Phil Phil Fraumeni said he woke up on that Friday morning
> > to a call from his landscaper asking him to move his white Model 3
> > off the
> lawn.
> > Fraumeni replied he didn't have a Model 3. Then he saw the friendly
> > setup that had been draining electricity while he slept. WPBF 25
> > said he waited several hours for the car's owner to return before
> > calling police, who
> then
> > tracked down the owner's address and waited some

Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 28 Jul 2019 at 11:59, Seth Rothenberg via EV wrote:

> The timing of this discussion is great. My sidewalk is being replaced. I
> had asked the contractor before he started if I would be able to use my
> driveway and he said not at all. 

This illustrates the problem some people have with charging EVs, even when 
there's no unusual construction or obstruction.

A friend of mine lives in an apartment in a small town in rural France.  She 
really wanted to get an EV.  However, there's no off-street parking.  She 
can't even park on the street next to her apartment, so even if she could 
persuade the landlady to install an EVSE or a receptacle, and legally lay 
the cable across the sidewalk (very doubtful), she still couldn't charge an 
EV at home.  The nearest public EVSE is over 10km km away in another town, 
and if that one isn't available for some reason, the next closest after that 
is 23km away.

So she bought an E-bike instead.  That she can take inside the apartment to 
charge.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Seth,

Odd. Normally street contractors put steel plates across construction 
areas when driveways, etc. are interrupted. Well, I think your solution 
is fine. If anyone were to complain, I think you would get plenty of 
support for what you did.


Peri

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Sent: 28-Jul-19 8:59:20 AM
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towed)



The timing of this discussion is great.
My sidewalk is being replaced.
I had asked the contractor before he started if
I would be able to use my driveway and he said not at all.

So, on the way home, I stopped at the only fast charger in the
neighborhood
the ChadeMo plug was available, but the machine only serves one at a time,
and there was a big NYC SUV-taxi charging on CCS.   I talked to the driver,
he was settled in for the long haul.  I gave him encouragement about
driving an EV.
There are not so many places to charge in NYC at the moment.

So I arrived home almost on empty.
At about 1:00 am, I pulled my car into my neighbor's driveway,
moved the cable for my OpenEVSE to that side of the house,
put a note to say "Sorry to block you, Knock if you need to get out",
and sat down in the DR to install a couple of Ensemble/HealthShare
instances.
There was no knock, and I moved the car at 2.

The differences are - I was tresspassing/blocking him,
but I knew if I had asked, he would allow.
And it was my electricity, about 6 KWh.

Then, last night, I wanted to top off
Long ago, I had asked the City Code official
if I would be allowed to put an outlet at the curb,
and was told, no, it is a right-of-way
and they won't allow a cord across the sidewalk.

Well, my sidewalk is a construction zone.
So I parked with the nose of my car touching the cones,
ran 50'  12  gauge extension across the gravel and the forms,
and charged over night.  I might need to do the same Monday night,
since I drive again on Tuesday.  Or I can explore a Level 2
that I have not visited yet in a neighboring town


On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 9:57 AM paul dove via EV  wrote:


 What’s funny about that is that he couldn’t have gotten more than 2 or 3
 dollars worth of electricity.

 Maybe a misdemeanor not even sure a judge would bother when the did the
 math but that is very rude.

 I can see the home owner being upset and worse yet parking in the grass.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Jul 27, 2019, at 3:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
 >
 >
 >
 >
 
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28524175/tesla-owner-steals-electricity-charging/
 > Florida Man Parks His Tesla Overnight on a Stranger's Lawn to Steal
 > Electricity
 > Jul 26, 2019  Clifford Atiyeh
 >
 > [image
 >
 
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/screen-shot-2019-07-26-at-6-16-20-pm-1564179397.png
 > Tesla charging on front lawn  / WPBF News
 > ]
 >
 > The owner of the Tesla Model 3 used an extension cord to plug in to a
 > complete stranger's outlet for 12 hours.
 >
 >This actually happened and is not a joke, as reported by WPBF 25 in
 Lake
 > Worth, Florida.
 >
 >A Tesla Model 3 was left outside on a homeowner's lawn for 12 hours to
 > charge using his electricity, all without his knowledge or permission.
 >
 >Please do not be this pathetic while driving an EV.
 >
 > Driving an electric car can sometimes make a calm person slide into
 bouts of
 > extreme desperation. That may be the kindest way to describe why a
 Florida
 > man ditched his Tesla on another person's lawn, stole electricity from
 that
 > house, and walked off to party with friends in the middle of the night.
 >
 > WPBF 25 television reported this exact scene in Lake Worth, a seaside
 locale
 > just south of West Palm Beach, that occurred last Friday. The Model 3
 owner,
 > who was lucky to be unnamed in the story and have trespassing charges
 > dropped by the homeowner, said his car's battery had died on the way to a
 > friend's house around midnight. So, he figured, why not pull up onto a
 > stranger's front lawn and stretch a 120-volt cord to an external outlet—a
 > grounded plug surrounded by well-manicured landscaping, just perfect—and
 > leave the car for 12 hours?
 >
 > Homeowner Phil Phil Fraumeni said he woke up on that Friday morning to a
 > call from his landscaper asking him to move his white Model 3 off the
 lawn.
 > Fraumeni replied he didn't have a Model 3. Then he saw the friendly setup
 > that had been draining electricity while he slept. WPBF 25 said he waited
 > several hours for the car's owner to return before calling police, who
 then
 > tracked down the owner's address and waited some more for the man to show
 > up. He showed up, didn’t apologize, was told he'd committed a crime, and
 > that w

Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[Seth Rothenberg via EV]

The timing of this discussion is great.
My sidewalk is being replaced.
I had asked the contractor before he started if
I would be able to use my driveway and he said not at all.

So, on the way home, I stopped at the only fast charger in the
neighborhood
the ChadeMo plug was available, but the machine only serves one at a time,
and there was a big NYC SUV-taxi charging on CCS.   I talked to the driver,
he was settled in for the long haul.  I gave him encouragement about
driving an EV.
There are not so many places to charge in NYC at the moment.

So I arrived home almost on empty.
At about 1:00 am, I pulled my car into my neighbor's driveway,
moved the cable for my OpenEVSE to that side of the house,
put a note to say "Sorry to block you, Knock if you need to get out",
and sat down in the DR to install a couple of Ensemble/HealthShare
instances.
There was no knock, and I moved the car at 2.

The differences are - I was tresspassing/blocking him,
but I knew if I had asked, he would allow.
And it was my electricity, about 6 KWh.

Then, last night, I wanted to top off
Long ago, I had asked the City Code official
if I would be allowed to put an outlet at the curb,
and was told, no, it is a right-of-way
and they won't allow a cord across the sidewalk.

Well, my sidewalk is a construction zone.
So I parked with the nose of my car touching the cones,
ran 50'  12  gauge extension across the gravel and the forms,
and charged over night.  I might need to do the same Monday night,
since I drive again on Tuesday.  Or I can explore a Level 2
that I have not visited yet in a neighboring town


On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 9:57 AM paul dove via EV  wrote:

> What’s funny about that is that he couldn’t have gotten more than 2 or 3
> dollars worth of electricity.
>
> Maybe a misdemeanor not even sure a judge would bother when the did the
> math but that is very rude.
>
> I can see the home owner being upset and worse yet parking in the grass.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 27, 2019, at 3:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28524175/tesla-owner-steals-electricity-charging/
> > Florida Man Parks His Tesla Overnight on a Stranger's Lawn to Steal
> > Electricity
> > Jul 26, 2019  Clifford Atiyeh
> >
> > [image
> >
> https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/screen-shot-2019-07-26-at-6-16-20-pm-1564179397.png
> > Tesla charging on front lawn  / WPBF News
> > ]
> >
> > The owner of the Tesla Model 3 used an extension cord to plug in to a
> > complete stranger's outlet for 12 hours.
> >
> >This actually happened and is not a joke, as reported by WPBF 25 in
> Lake
> > Worth, Florida.
> >
> >A Tesla Model 3 was left outside on a homeowner's lawn for 12 hours to
> > charge using his electricity, all without his knowledge or permission.
> >
> >Please do not be this pathetic while driving an EV.
> >
> > Driving an electric car can sometimes make a calm person slide into
> bouts of
> > extreme desperation. That may be the kindest way to describe why a
> Florida
> > man ditched his Tesla on another person's lawn, stole electricity from
> that
> > house, and walked off to party with friends in the middle of the night.
> >
> > WPBF 25 television reported this exact scene in Lake Worth, a seaside
> locale
> > just south of West Palm Beach, that occurred last Friday. The Model 3
> owner,
> > who was lucky to be unnamed in the story and have trespassing charges
> > dropped by the homeowner, said his car's battery had died on the way to a
> > friend's house around midnight. So, he figured, why not pull up onto a
> > stranger's front lawn and stretch a 120-volt cord to an external outlet—a
> > grounded plug surrounded by well-manicured landscaping, just perfect—and
> > leave the car for 12 hours?
> >
> > Homeowner Phil Phil Fraumeni said he woke up on that Friday morning to a
> > call from his landscaper asking him to move his white Model 3 off the
> lawn.
> > Fraumeni replied he didn't have a Model 3. Then he saw the friendly setup
> > that had been draining electricity while he slept. WPBF 25 said he waited
> > several hours for the car's owner to return before calling police, who
> then
> > tracked down the owner's address and waited some more for the man to show
> > up. He showed up, didn’t apologize, was told he'd committed a crime, and
> > that was that. What's more, he didn’t pay Fraumeni a red cent for the
> free
> > charge.
> >
> > Low batteries can do something to the human psyche. Range anxiety is
> still a
> > thing, no matter if a Tesla can comfortably travel 250-plus miles per
> > charge, when you're not following the car's prescribed instructions to
> > charge at precisely the right times. But when you screw up, you ... [get
> a
> > tow].
> > [© caranddriver.com]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
> > http://evdl.org/archive/
> >
> >
> > {brucedp.neocities.org}
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: 

Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[paul dove via EV]

What’s funny about that is that he couldn’t have gotten more than 2 or 3 
dollars worth of electricity. 

Maybe a misdemeanor not even sure a judge would bother when the did the math 
but that is very rude.

I can see the home owner being upset and worse yet parking in the grass. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2019, at 3:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28524175/tesla-owner-steals-electricity-charging/
> Florida Man Parks His Tesla Overnight on a Stranger's Lawn to Steal
> Electricity
> Jul 26, 2019  Clifford Atiyeh
> 
> [image  
> https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/screen-shot-2019-07-26-at-6-16-20-pm-1564179397.png
> Tesla charging on front lawn  / WPBF News
> ]
> 
> The owner of the Tesla Model 3 used an extension cord to plug in to a
> complete stranger's outlet for 12 hours.
> 
>This actually happened and is not a joke, as reported by WPBF 25 in Lake
> Worth, Florida.
> 
>A Tesla Model 3 was left outside on a homeowner's lawn for 12 hours to
> charge using his electricity, all without his knowledge or permission.
> 
>Please do not be this pathetic while driving an EV.
> 
> Driving an electric car can sometimes make a calm person slide into bouts of
> extreme desperation. That may be the kindest way to describe why a Florida
> man ditched his Tesla on another person's lawn, stole electricity from that
> house, and walked off to party with friends in the middle of the night.
> 
> WPBF 25 television reported this exact scene in Lake Worth, a seaside locale
> just south of West Palm Beach, that occurred last Friday. The Model 3 owner,
> who was lucky to be unnamed in the story and have trespassing charges
> dropped by the homeowner, said his car's battery had died on the way to a
> friend's house around midnight. So, he figured, why not pull up onto a
> stranger's front lawn and stretch a 120-volt cord to an external outlet—a
> grounded plug surrounded by well-manicured landscaping, just perfect—and
> leave the car for 12 hours?
> 
> Homeowner Phil Phil Fraumeni said he woke up on that Friday morning to a
> call from his landscaper asking him to move his white Model 3 off the lawn.
> Fraumeni replied he didn't have a Model 3. Then he saw the friendly setup
> that had been draining electricity while he slept. WPBF 25 said he waited
> several hours for the car's owner to return before calling police, who then
> tracked down the owner's address and waited some more for the man to show
> up. He showed up, didn’t apologize, was told he'd committed a crime, and
> that was that. What's more, he didn’t pay Fraumeni a red cent for the free
> charge.
> 
> Low batteries can do something to the human psyche. Range anxiety is still a
> thing, no matter if a Tesla can comfortably travel 250-plus miles per
> charge, when you're not following the car's prescribed instructions to
> charge at precisely the right times. But when you screw up, you ... [get a
> tow]. 
> [© caranddriver.com]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
> http://evdl.org/archive/
> 
> 
> {brucedp.neocities.org}
> 
> --
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