List Etiquette
Can people on this list please think about amending their email accounts; I am on a few mailing lists but this is the only list on which people are inconsiderate enough to use email accounts on which they have set up an "out-of-office" reply, why use your primary email account, that is foolish? I have just sent an email to the list and got 12 out of office replies back from subscribers to the list. I like many of you are surely picking up mail via your mobile device, if you get 12 bounce backs for every one email you send it surely isn't going to be good for anyone's data usage. Please be more considerate, /rant over -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary.
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I agree. Well said. On 2010/05/31, at 18:34, James Bensley wrote: Can people on this list please think about amending their email accounts; I am on a few mailing lists but this is the only list on which people are inconsiderate enough to use email accounts on which they have set up an "out-of-office" reply, why use your primary email account, that is foolish? I have just sent an email to the list and got 12 out of office replies back from subscribers to the list. I like many of you are surely picking up mail via your mobile device, if you get 12 bounce backs for every one email you send it surely isn't going to be good for anyone's data usage. Please be more considerate, /rant over -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary.
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>I agree. Well said. Grin... You two must not have been here long: This horse has been beating to death and back. I remember ASB used to have a great autoresponder for that. Good luck, it is a PITA. jlc
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It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? On 31 May 2010 19:38, Joseph L. Casale wrote: > >I agree. Well said. > > Grin... > You two must not have been here long: This horse has been beating to death > and back. I remember ASB used to have a great autoresponder for that. > > Good luck, it is a PITA. > jlc > > > -- Kind regards, Andrew Levicki MCITP:EDST7/EMA/EA,MCSE,MCSA,MCP,CCNA,ITIL
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On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki wrote: > It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from > the out of office problem? > As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies going through perhaps? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary.
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Sunbelt has tried, with unfavorable results, to filter the OOO messages to their lists. The list membership pretty much unanimously agreed that we would rather suffer through the OOO's than NOT get emails from the list. It's pretty easy with gmail & other mail readers etc to write a rule to just delete those items on YOUR mailbox. That's what I do (I'm using gmail), and the only OOO's that I usually ever see are the ones that are in some other language besides English. Don't blame the people that have OOO's coming to the list, it's typically because the management at their company has dictated that OOO's be allowed to the internet so these Exchange admins have no choice in the matter, and management has said that if you're out of the office, you must use the OOO function in Outlook. Have a nice day. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:35 AM, James Bensley wrote: > On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki wrote: > > It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers > from > > the out of office problem? > > > > As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart > from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one > would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies > going through perhaps? > > -- > Regards, > James. > > http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in > the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand > trinary and those who don't understand trinary. > > -- Sherry Abercrombie "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke
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As a positive note it is a great feature for testing mail flow. Simply post to the list and you can also watch and check that rules in Outlook/Exchange are working well. Mike From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 May 2010 14:27 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Etiquette Sunbelt has tried, with unfavorable results, to filter the OOO messages to their lists. The list membership pretty much unanimously agreed that we would rather suffer through the OOO's than NOT get emails from the list. It's pretty easy with gmail & other mail readers etc to write a rule to just delete those items on YOUR mailbox. That's what I do (I'm using gmail), and the only OOO's that I usually ever see are the ones that are in some other language besides English. Don't blame the people that have OOO's coming to the list, it's typically because the management at their company has dictated that OOO's be allowed to the internet so these Exchange admins have no choice in the matter, and management has said that if you're out of the office, you must use the OOO function in Outlook. Have a nice day. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:35 AM, James Bensley mailto:jwbens...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk>> wrote: > It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from > the out of office problem? > As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies going through perhaps? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary. -- Sherry Abercrombie "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke
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That's not true, I get OOO's (directly to my mailbox) from all of the Sunbelt lists. It's very rare that OOO's are sent back to the list and then distributed. Those would be the only ones that Sunbelt could attempt to filter. Carl _ From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Etiquette It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? On 31 May 2010 19:38, Joseph L. Casale wrote: >I agree. Well said. Grin... You two must not have been here long: This horse has been beating to death and back. I remember ASB used to have a great autoresponder for that. Good luck, it is a PITA. jlc -- Kind regards, Andrew Levicki MCITP:EDST7/EMA/EA,MCSE,MCSA,MCP,CCNA,ITIL
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Keep this in mind (in case you get one from me) we are not allowed to access external email accounts (it does wonders for keeping bad things off the network) from behind the corp firewall so some of us don't have an option. I try not to set an OOF at all for this very reason. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: James Bensley To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Mon May 31 08:35:28 2010 Subject: Re: List Etiquette On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki wrote: > It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from > the out of office problem? > As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies going through perhaps? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
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On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 02:34, James Bensley wrote: > Can people on this list please think about amending their email > accounts; I am on a few mailing lists but this is the only list on > which people are inconsiderate enough to use email accounts on which > they have set up an "out-of-office" reply, why use your primary email > account, that is foolish? > > I have just sent an email to the list and got 12 out of office replies > back from subscribers to the list. I like many of you are surely > picking up mail via your mobile device, if you get 12 bounce backs for > every one email you send it surely isn't going to be good for anyone's > data usage. > > Please be more considerate, /rant over It's a small thing, but I always mark those replies as spam. I suggest everyone else do the same. OOO replies are a pestilence, and should never have been implemented. Kurt
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The point was more to the affect of, maybe a few from the others, but ZILLIONS from this one:) It is "funny" as we are mail admins, so we are supposed to be anal about this crap, but not all environments are equal so I stopped complaining long ago... I still wish I had a copy from years ago of ASB's autoresponder to OOO reply's, it was a treat! Andrew, if you do, treat us with that one:) From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Etiquette That's not true, I get OOO's (directly to my mailbox) from all of the Sunbelt lists. It's very rare that OOO's are sent back to the list and then distributed. Those would be the only ones that Sunbelt could attempt to filter. Carl From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Etiquette It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? On 31 May 2010 19:38, Joseph L. Casale mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>> wrote: >I agree. Well said. Grin... You two must not have been here long: This horse has been beating to death and back. I remember ASB used to have a great autoresponder for that. Good luck, it is a PITA. jlc -- Kind regards, Andrew Levicki MCITP:EDST7/EMA/EA,MCSE,MCSA,MCP,CCNA,ITIL
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There is an easy way to deal with this, particularly given that the bulk of the audience of this particular list is likely to be Exchange admins, and that is to use a public folder. Subscribe the public folder, then also subscribe your personal account but with the "nomail" option. You can then reply to messages that are in the public folder, from your own account. I am doing that right now. It also means that list email is not clogging up my personal mailbox, or requiring a rule to put it in to its own folder (which is what I used to do). If there are more than of you in the same company subscribed, it means a single copy of each email is stored in the public folder, which you can read at your own pace. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Sembee Ltd. e: si...@sembee.co.uk w: http://www.sembee.co.uk/ w: http://www.amset.info/ w: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/ Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/<http://certificatesforexchange.com/> for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/<http://domainsforexchange.net/> Exchange Resources: http://exbpa.com/ From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: 31 May 2010 21:42 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Etiquette The point was more to the affect of, maybe a few from the others, but ZILLIONS from this one:) It is "funny" as we are mail admins, so we are supposed to be anal about this crap, but not all environments are equal so I stopped complaining long ago... I still wish I had a copy from years ago of ASB's autoresponder to OOO reply's, it was a treat! Andrew, if you do, treat us with that one:) From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Etiquette That's not true, I get OOO's (directly to my mailbox) from all of the Sunbelt lists. It's very rare that OOO's are sent back to the list and then distributed. Those would be the only ones that Sunbelt could attempt to filter. Carl From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Etiquette It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? On 31 May 2010 19:38, Joseph L. Casale mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>> wrote: >I agree. Well said. Grin... You two must not have been here long: This horse has been beating to death and back. I remember ASB used to have a great autoresponder for that. Good luck, it is a PITA. jlc -- Kind regards, Andrew Levicki MCITP:EDST7/EMA/EA,MCSE,MCSA,MCP,CCNA,ITIL
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When I go out of office I just go to the sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. That being said I hardly ever set those things cause they just invite spammers. On 5/31/2010 12:33 PM, John Cook wrote: Keep this in mind (in case you get one from me) we are not allowed to access external email accounts (it does wonders for keeping bad things off the network) from behind the corp firewall so some of us don't have an option. I try not to set an OOF at all for this very reason. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: James Bensley To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Mon May 31 08:35:28 2010 Subject: Re: List Etiquette On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki wrote: It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies going through perhaps? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
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James, I personally use it verify my post made it on-line. I just set a rule to send all Out of Office Auto-Replies to the trash, problem solved. Cheers ~Dr. Doug -Original Message- From: James Bensley [mailto:jwbens...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: List Etiquette Can people on this list please think about amending their email accounts; I am on a few mailing lists but this is the only list on which people are inconsiderate enough to use email accounts on which they have set up an "out-of-office" reply, why use your primary email account, that is foolish? I have just sent an email to the list and got 12 out of office replies back from subscribers to the list. I like many of you are surely picking up mail via your mobile device, if you get 12 bounce backs for every one email you send it surely isn't going to be good for anyone's data usage. Please be more considerate, /rant over -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary.
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how exactly do you feel that an OOO 'invites' spammers? That is a ludicrous proposition. and if you're going to say that the OOO confirms the existence of a valid mailbox, my counterargument is that the lack of a bounce also confirms that mailbox. And *everyone*[1] allows NDRs out. (If they don't, they should.) this is a people problem, not a technical one. and we all know... wait for it wait... there are no good technical solutions to behavioral problems. [1] - per RFC everyone should allow NDR. I honestly don't know who does not. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:32 PM, James Kerr wrote: > When I go out of office I just go to the sunbelt site and set my account to > not get email from the list during that time. That being said I hardly ever > set those things cause they just invite spammers. > > On 5/31/2010 12:33 PM, John Cook wrote: >> >> Keep this in mind (in case you get one from me) we are not allowed to >> access external email accounts (it does wonders for keeping bad things off >> the network) from behind the corp firewall so some of us don't have an >> option. I try not to set an OOF at all for this very reason. >> John W. Cook >> Systems Administrator >> Partnership for Strong Families >> >> - Original Message - >> From: James Bensley >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Sent: Mon May 31 08:35:28 2010 >> Subject: Re: List Etiquette >> >> On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki wrote: >> >>> >>> It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers >>> from >>> the out of office problem? >>> >>> >> >> As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart >> from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one >> would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies >> going through perhaps? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> James. >> >> http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in >> the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand >> trinary and those who don't understand trinary. >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or >> attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), >> confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, >> dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this >> information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without >> the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information >> may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act >> of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or >> unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil >> and/or criminal penalties. >> Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you >> really need to. >> >> >> >> > > >
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Same. And these are *easy* to filter. For us that belong to distribution lists, this is a must. People use OOFs. Get over it. -- ME2 On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:32 PM, James Kerr wrote: > When I go out of office I just go to the sunbelt site and set my account to > not get email from the list during that time. That being said I hardly ever > set those things cause they just invite spammers. > > > On 5/31/2010 12:33 PM, John Cook wrote: > >> Keep this in mind (in case you get one from me) we are not allowed to >> access external email accounts (it does wonders for keeping bad things off >> the network) from behind the corp firewall so some of us don't have an >> option. I try not to set an OOF at all for this very reason. >> John W. Cook >> Systems Administrator >> Partnership for Strong Families >> >> - Original Message - >> From: James Bensley >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Sent: Mon May 31 08:35:28 2010 >> Subject: Re: List Etiquette >> >> On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki wrote: >> >> >>> It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers >>> from >>> the out of office problem? >>> >>> >>> >> As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart >> >> from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one >> would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies >> going through perhaps? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> James. >> >> http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in >> the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand >> trinary and those who don't understand trinary. >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or >> attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), >> confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, >> dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this >> information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without >> the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information >> may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act >> of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or >> unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil >> and/or criminal penalties. >> Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you >> really need to. >> >> >> >> >> > > >
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I'm over it! On 2010/06/01, at 11:48, Micheal Espinola Jr wrote: Same. And these are *easy* to filter. For us that belong to distribution lists, this is a must. People use OOFs. Get over it. -- ME2 On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:32 PM, James Kerr wrote: When I go out of office I just go to the sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. That being said I hardly ever set those things cause they just invite spammers. On 5/31/2010 12:33 PM, John Cook wrote: Keep this in mind (in case you get one from me) we are not allowed to access external email accounts (it does wonders for keeping bad things off the network) from behind the corp firewall so some of us don't have an option. I try not to set an OOF at all for this very reason. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: James Bensley To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Mon May 31 08:35:28 2010 Subject: Re: List Etiquette On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki wrote: It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies going through perhaps? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
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When I go out of office I just go to the Sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. Same here, it is just being courteous to the other list members. "From The Sunny Side Of The Street!" Cliff P. From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 7:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Etiquette Same. And these are *easy* to filter. For us that belong to distribution lists, this is a must. People use OOFs. Get over it. -- ME2 On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:32 PM, James Kerr wrote: When I go out of office I just go to the sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. That being said I hardly ever set those things cause they just invite spammers. On 5/31/2010 12:33 PM, John Cook wrote: Keep this in mind (in case you get one from me) we are not allowed to access external email accounts (it does wonders for keeping bad things off the network) from behind the corp firewall so some of us don't have an option. I try not to set an OOF at all for this very reason. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: James Bensley To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Mon May 31 08:35:28 2010 Subject: Re: List Etiquette On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki wrote: It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies going through perhaps? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
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Or, for those that can, simply set their own Out of Office not to go to external senders. I'm in the "don't give a cr$p" camp - OOO replies are just emails that take a few seconds to delete, or filter. Never been a problem. From: bounce-8945627-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8945627-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Partlow Sent: 01 June 2010 03:57 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Etiquette When I go out of office I just go to the Sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. Same here, it is just being courteous to the other list members. "From The Sunny Side Of The Street!" Cliff P. From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 7:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Etiquette Same. And these are *easy* to filter. For us that belong to distribution lists, this is a must. People use OOFs. Get over it. -- ME2 On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:32 PM, James Kerr mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>> wrote: When I go out of office I just go to the sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. That being said I hardly ever set those things cause they just invite spammers. On 5/31/2010 12:33 PM, John Cook wrote: Keep this in mind (in case you get one from me) we are not allowed to access external email accounts (it does wonders for keeping bad things off the network) from behind the corp firewall so some of us don't have an option. I try not to set an OOF at all for this very reason. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: James Bensleymailto:jwbens...@gmail.com>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesmailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>> Sent: Mon May 31 08:35:28 2010 Subject: Re: List Etiquette On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levickimailto:and...@levicki.me.uk>> wrote: It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies going through perhaps? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
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If you've ever sent an email to the Patch Management list, you'd think 12 was a blessing. It may be better now, but it used to be terrible. On 31 May 2010 10:34, James Bensley wrote: > Can people on this list please think about amending their email > accounts; I am on a few mailing lists but this is the only list on > which people are inconsiderate enough to use email accounts on which > they have set up an "out-of-office" reply, why use your primary email > account, that is foolish? > > I have just sent an email to the list and got 12 out of office replies > back from subscribers to the list. I like many of you are surely > picking up mail via your mobile device, if you get 12 bounce backs for > every one email you send it surely isn't going to be good for anyone's > data usage. > > Please be more considerate, /rant over > > -- > Regards, > James. > > http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in > the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand > trinary and those who don't understand trinary. > > -- "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
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When it's one email, that's fine. When you post something to the list and you get 10 out of office emails, then it's annoying. Not alone that sometimes they don't even have a cache implemented and keep on getting out of office emails even when i reply to the same thread. That's my definition of annoying thing (that can be easily fixed). In some lists you are off the list if you refuse to change your OOO settings. Miguel --- El mar, 1/6/10, Sobey, Richard A escribió: De: Sobey, Richard A Asunto: RE: List Etiquette Para: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" Fecha: martes, 1 de junio, 2010 06:47 Or, for those that can, simply set their own Out of Office not to go to external senders. I’m in the “don’t give a cr$p” camp – OOO replies are just emails that take a few seconds to delete, or filter. Never been a problem. From: bounce-8945627-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8945627-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Partlow Sent: 01 June 2010 03:57 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Etiquette When I go out of office I just go to the Sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. Same here, it is just being courteous to the other list members. "From The Sunny Side Of The Street!"Cliff P. From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 7:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Etiquette Same. And these are *easy* to filter. For us that belong to distribution lists, this is a must. People use OOFs. Get over it. -- ME2On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:32 PM, James Kerr wrote:When I go out of office I just go to the sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. That being said I hardly ever set those things cause they just invite spammers. On 5/31/2010 12:33 PM, John Cook wrote:Keep this in mind (in case you get one from me) we are not allowed to access external email accounts (it does wonders for keeping bad things off the network) from behind the corp firewall so some of us don't have an option. I try not to set an OOF at all for this very reason. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message -From: James Bensley To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Mon May 31 08:35:28 2010 Subject: Re: List Etiquette On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki wrote: It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies going through perhaps? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
RE: List Etiquette
I'm with you, Richard. I just delete them. I subscribe to a non-tech list for our hospital's HCIS. Sometimes I dread posting knowing I'm going to get 40+ OOF's. From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 6:48 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Etiquette Or, for those that can, simply set their own Out of Office not to go to external senders. I'm in the "don't give a cr$p" camp - OOO replies are just emails that take a few seconds to delete, or filter. Never been a problem. From: bounce-8945627-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8945627-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Partlow Sent: 01 June 2010 03:57 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Etiquette When I go out of office I just go to the Sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. Same here, it is just being courteous to the other list members. "From The Sunny Side Of The Street!" Cliff P. From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 7:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Etiquette Same. And these are *easy* to filter. For us that belong to distribution lists, this is a must. People use OOFs. Get over it. -- ME2 On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:32 PM, James Kerr mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>> wrote: When I go out of office I just go to the sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. That being said I hardly ever set those things cause they just invite spammers. On 5/31/2010 12:33 PM, John Cook wrote: Keep this in mind (in case you get one from me) we are not allowed to access external email accounts (it does wonders for keeping bad things off the network) from behind the corp firewall so some of us don't have an option. I try not to set an OOF at all for this very reason. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: James Bensleymailto:jwbens...@gmail.com>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesmailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>> Sent: Mon May 31 08:35:28 2010 Subject: Re: List Etiquette On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levickimailto:and...@levicki.me.uk>> wrote: It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies going through perhaps? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
Re: List Etiquette
Not to raise this thread from the dead but your right, I hadn't thought of that. James - Original Message - From: "Bill Egan" To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:28 PM Subject: Re: List Etiquette how exactly do you feel that an OOO 'invites' spammers? That is a ludicrous proposition. and if you're going to say that the OOO confirms the existence of a valid mailbox, my counterargument is that the lack of a bounce also confirms that mailbox. And *everyone*[1] allows NDRs out. (If they don't, they should.) this is a people problem, not a technical one. and we all know... wait for it wait... there are no good technical solutions to behavioral problems. [1] - per RFC everyone should allow NDR. I honestly don't know who does not. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:32 PM, James Kerr wrote: When I go out of office I just go to the sunbelt site and set my account to not get email from the list during that time. That being said I hardly ever set those things cause they just invite spammers. On 5/31/2010 12:33 PM, John Cook wrote: Keep this in mind (in case you get one from me) we are not allowed to access external email accounts (it does wonders for keeping bad things off the network) from behind the corp firewall so some of us don't have an option. I try not to set an OOF at all for this very reason. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: James Bensley To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Mon May 31 08:35:28 2010 Subject: Re: List Etiquette On 31 May 2010 13:03, Andrew Levicki wrote: It's ironic, is it not, that it's only the Exchange list that suffers from the out of office problem? As I was typing my original post I did sense some irony there, apart from the obvious but also because of all the lists I am on, this one would be the most likely have a filter to stop out of office replies going through perhaps? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
