RE: Hotmail?
Nice read, with a somewhat different slant than the official whitepaper. It's interesting to note how that project (and probably other similar projects) have impacted changes in Windows Server in the last couple of releases, with significantly improved command line tools, significantly redesigned event subsystem, redesigned (and basically eliminated) IIS metabase, etc. And in regards to the command line, I'm not JUST referring to PowerShell, although that is certainly a major piece of it. There have been some backward steps, of course. The major one that popped into my mind is that the SMTP Service (in standalone Windows, not Exchange) is a poor poor shell of itself compared to what it used to be. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? Took a bit to find, but of historic interest: http://tamersahin.com/mssecrets/hotmail.html I remember the news articles around that time and their laughter. It was still fun to read a decade later; we've come so far, yet not so far at all depending where you look. ~JasonG -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:08 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? You can find the whitepaper that discusses the Hotmail move to Windows. It's available for download at Microsoft.com/downloads. The product you are thinking of is MCIS - Microsoft Commercial Internet System. It was supposed to be integrated into Exchange/IIS with Project Mercury. Effectively, it was replaced by HMC, but all of the goals of Mercury weren't realized until Exchange Hosting Mode was released with Exchange 2010. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? I remember years ago when they aguared hotmail it ran on UNIX. There was talk of moving it to windows. I also remember Microsoft had a product they offered to large ISPs for email but I do not know what ever happened to that product. Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: messagel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
Took a bit to find, but of historic interest: http://tamersahin.com/mssecrets/hotmail.html I remember the news articles around that time and their laughter. It was still fun to read a decade later; we've come so far, yet not so far at all depending where you look. ~JasonG -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:08 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? You can find the whitepaper that discusses the Hotmail move to Windows. It's available for download at Microsoft.com/downloads. The product you are thinking of is MCIS - Microsoft Commercial Internet System. It was supposed to be integrated into Exchange/IIS with Project Mercury. Effectively, it was replaced by HMC, but all of the goals of Mercury weren't realized until Exchange Hosting Mode was released with Exchange 2010. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? I remember years ago when they aguared hotmail it ran on UNIX. There was talk of moving it to windows. I also remember Microsoft had a product they offered to large ISPs for email but I do not know what ever happened to that product. Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: messagel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
The specific product by that name? Yes. It is the same platform as Office 365 though. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? Is Live@EDU just universities? Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: KevinM Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? It is getting closer to Exchange.. Live@EDU is up to something like 60,000,000+ mailboxes and it is Exchange, so they can support it finally.. Now it is just a matter of time.. From: messagel...@gmail.com [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.commailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
You can find the whitepaper that discusses the Hotmail move to Windows. It's available for download at Microsoft.com/downloads. The product you are thinking of is MCIS - Microsoft Commercial Internet System. It was supposed to be integrated into Exchange/IIS with Project Mercury. Effectively, it was replaced by HMC, but all of the goals of Mercury weren't realized until Exchange Hosting Mode was released with Exchange 2010. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? I remember years ago when they aguared hotmail it ran on UNIX. There was talk of moving it to windows. I also remember Microsoft had a product they offered to large ISPs for email but I do not know what ever happened to that product. Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: messagel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
Live@edu also hosts my email along with a hand full of other Microsoft Employees, and all of the email for Exchange team - among some other random pockets. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? The specific product by that name? Yes. It is the same platform as Office 365 though. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? Is Live@EDU just universities? Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: KevinM Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? It is getting closer to Exchange.. Live@EDU is up to something like 60,000,000+ mailboxes and it is Exchange, so they can support it finally.. Now it is just a matter of time.. From: messagel...@gmail.com [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.commailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
And public K-12's. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? The specific product by that name? Yes. It is the same platform as Office 365 though. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? Is Live@EDU just universities? Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: KevinM Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? It is getting closer to Exchange.. Live@EDU is up to something like 60,000,000+ mailboxes and it is Exchange, so they can support it finally.. Now it is just a matter of time.. From: messagel...@gmail.com [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.commailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
And some big universities.. -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:35 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? And public K-12's. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? The specific product by that name? Yes. It is the same platform as Office 365 though. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? Is Live@EDU just universities? Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: KevinM Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? It is getting closer to Exchange.. Live@EDU is up to something like 60,000,000+ mailboxes and it is Exchange, so they can support it finally.. Now it is just a matter of time.. From: messagel...@gmail.com [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.commailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
And us not so big college's Philip Lock Network Systems Manager Moulsham Street CM2 0JQ 01245 293023 www.chelmsford.ac.uk -Original Message- From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: 08 June 2011 13:42 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? And some big universities.. -Original Message- From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:35 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? And public K-12's. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? The specific product by that name? Yes. It is the same platform as Office 365 though. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? Is Live@EDU just universities? Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: KevinM Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? It is getting closer to Exchange.. Live@EDU is up to something like 60,000,000+ mailboxes and it is Exchange, so they can support it finally.. Now it is just a matter of time.. From: messagel...@gmail.com [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.commailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
I would find that an inserting read. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:08 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? You can find the whitepaper that discusses the Hotmail move to Windows. It's available for download at Microsoft.com/downloads. The product you are thinking of is MCIS - Microsoft Commercial Internet System. It was supposed to be integrated into Exchange/IIS with Project Mercury. Effectively, it was replaced by HMC, but all of the goals of Mercury weren't realized until Exchange Hosting Mode was released with Exchange 2010. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? I remember years ago when they aguared hotmail it ran on UNIX. There was talk of moving it to windows. I also remember Microsoft had a product they offered to large ISPs for email but I do not know what ever happened to that product. Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: messagel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Hotmail?
Auto correct rocks :-) Typed frustratingly slowly on my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:13:03 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesexchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: Hotmail? I would find that an inserting read. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:08 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? You can find the whitepaper that discusses the Hotmail move to Windows. It's available for download at Microsoft.com/downloads. The product you are thinking of is MCIS - Microsoft Commercial Internet System. It was supposed to be integrated into Exchange/IIS with Project Mercury. Effectively, it was replaced by HMC, but all of the goals of Mercury weren't realized until Exchange Hosting Mode was released with Exchange 2010. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? I remember years ago when they aguared hotmail it ran on UNIX. There was talk of moving it to windows. I also remember Microsoft had a product they offered to large ISPs for email but I do not know what ever happened to that product. Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: messagel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb496478.aspx Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? I would find that an inserting read. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:08 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? You can find the whitepaper that discusses the Hotmail move to Windows. It's available for download at Microsoft.com/downloads. The product you are thinking of is MCIS - Microsoft Commercial Internet System. It was supposed to be integrated into Exchange/IIS with Project Mercury. Effectively, it was replaced by HMC, but all of the goals of Mercury weren't realized until Exchange Hosting Mode was released with Exchange 2010. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? I remember years ago when they aguared hotmail it ran on UNIX. There was talk of moving it to windows. I also remember Microsoft had a product they offered to large ISPs for email but I do not know what ever happened to that product. Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: messagel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
Lol yes it does :) -Original Message- From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Auto correct rocks :-) Typed frustratingly slowly on my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:13:03 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesexchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: Hotmail? I would find that an inserting read. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:08 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? You can find the whitepaper that discusses the Hotmail move to Windows. It's available for download at Microsoft.com/downloads. The product you are thinking of is MCIS - Microsoft Commercial Internet System. It was supposed to be integrated into Exchange/IIS with Project Mercury. Effectively, it was replaced by HMC, but all of the goals of Mercury weren't realized until Exchange Hosting Mode was released with Exchange 2010. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? I remember years ago when they aguared hotmail it ran on UNIX. There was talk of moving it to windows. I also remember Microsoft had a product they offered to large ISPs for email but I do not know what ever happened to that product. Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: messagel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Hotmail?
The random pockets were from when it was ExchangeLabs and volunteers/test subjects got lucky to be included. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:28 AM, KevinM kev...@wlkmmas.org wrote: Live@edu also hosts my email along with a hand full of other Microsoft Employees, and all of the email for Exchange team - among some other random pockets. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? The specific product by that name? Yes. It is the same platform as Office 365 though. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? Is Live@EDU just universities? Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: KevinM Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? It is getting closer to Exchange.. Live@EDU is up to something like 60,000,000+ mailboxes and it is Exchange, so they can support it finally.. Now it is just a matter of time.. From: messagel...@gmail.com [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.commailto: ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Hotmail?
Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
I remember years ago when they aguared hotmail it ran on UNIX. There was talk of moving it to windows. I also remember Microsoft had a product they offered to large ISPs for email but I do not know what ever happened to that product. Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: messagel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Hotmail?
Move to Windows OS but not Exchange. Their environment is too message heavy to handle that. They do use the Datacenter platform now that MS is offering, but originally that was what took so long to migrate from *nix. As a matter of fact, that was my main project - the expansion and migration to the new platform. much hardware to be deployed!! On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: I remember years ago when they aguared hotmail it ran on UNIX. There was talk of moving it to windows. I also remember Microsoft had a product they offered to large ISPs for email but I do not know what ever happened to that product. Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: messagel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist -- Kat Aylward --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
Azure data centre platform? Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: Kat Aylward Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 11:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Move to Windows OS but not Exchange. Their environment is too message heavy to handle that. They do use the Datacenter platform now that MS is offering, but originally that was what took so long to migrate from *nix. As a matter of fact, that was my main project - the expansion and migration to the new platform. much hardware to be deployed!! On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: I remember years ago when they aguared hotmail it ran on UNIX. There was talk of moving it to windows. I also remember Microsoft had a product they offered to large ISPs for email but I do not know what ever happened to that product. Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: messagel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist -- Kat Aylward --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
It is getting closer to Exchange.. Live@EDU is up to something like 60,000,000+ mailboxes and it is Exchange, so they can support it finally.. Now it is just a matter of time.. From: messagel...@gmail.com [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.commailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hotmail?
Is Live@EDU just universities? Sent from my Windows Phone -Original Message- From: KevinM Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail? It is getting closer to Exchange.. Live@EDU is up to something like 60,000,000+ mailboxes and it is Exchange, so they can support it finally.. Now it is just a matter of time.. From: messagel...@gmail.com [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail? Nope it is home grown (says the former Hotmail Operations PM). Kat Aylward On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.commailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know what Microsoft is using to deliver the Hotmail service? Is it Exchange? Cheers Ryan This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Hotmail
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Hotmail
Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Hotmail
Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Hotmail
Thats the first place I checked but it really doesnt say anything about them using BSD since 2001. I get the feeling that means they are still using BSD for parts of the site. - Original Message - From: Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Hotmail
I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Hotmail
I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Hotmail
Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Hotmail
With a book deadline in front of me, I've no time to play! Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: KevinM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Hotmail
When I want something to be true, I just upload it to wikipedia. - Stephen Colbert Last I heard from a Microsoft person, the front end is all Windows/IIS, there is a custom MTA and some backend components were still on non-Microsoft products for a number of reasons - including research/data collections. But I have no idea. From: Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Hotmail
A custom MTA? External.exe perhaps? J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 September 2008 17:17 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail When I want something to be true, I just upload it to wikipedia. - Stephen Colbert Last I heard from a Microsoft person, the front end is all Windows/IIS, there is a custom MTA and some backend components were still on non-Microsoft products for a number of reasons - including research/data collections. But I have no idea. _ From: Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Na - I been hangin' roun' heyah long, long, long time. To answer the question as specifically as I can (still under NDA for some things)... the infrastructure is being moved from the original platform to a Windows-based platform and should be nearly completed by this time. When I started we had 300M+ registered accounts and about 300M+ of those were Active. Let's just say that as an Infrastructure PM, my responsibility was to roll out the hardware to support the migration from the old platform to the new one, and I could easily retire on the cash spent to build that out. That hardware was to support the increased application loads of new features of Live.com, increased storage requirements, and migration off of the obsolete platform. Kat On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Hotmail
HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Hotmail
Thanks for the info Kat - Original Message - From: Kat Collins To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Hotmail
Now that is not to say that the Exchange team might not be working on a Super Large Scale version of the product geared to the needs of high user counts like what we encountered. I am just saying that currently working for an Exchange 2007 migration project for 180K users, I dont see the scalability to 300M users in the near future... especially when you are promising up to 5gb of storage per account with no current sunset of data storage (all message stored for X months, etc) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kat - Original Message - *From:* Kat Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM *Subject:* Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! -- Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail
RE: Hotmail
The database will be SQL, too. From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Hotmail
*cough* *gag* Only where memory support is enough to hold the entire message database in RAM. More than four reads is too many. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail The database will be SQL, too. From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Hotmail
Oracle From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail The database will be SQL, too. From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Hotmail
How are you planning for HA, and SLA ? IF you were to plan DAS replicas as backups and no long term storage how would your design change? From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Now that is not to say that the Exchange team might not be working on a Super Large Scale version of the product geared to the needs of high user counts like what we encountered. I am just saying that currently working for an Exchange 2007 migration project for 180K users, I dont see the scalability to 300M users in the near future... especially when you are promising up to 5gb of storage per account with no current sunset of data storage (all message stored for X months, etc) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kat - Original Message - From: Kat Collinsmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesmailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.comhttp://mobile.google.com/ Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja
RE: Hotmail
With something like Hotmail I would assume you need some kind of thin provisioning mechanism for disks. I'm not sure if DAS can do that and for something like Hotmail / Gmail you would pretty much have to thin provision your storage design. From: KevinM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail How are you planning for HA, and SLA ? IF you were to plan DAS replicas as backups and no long term storage how would your design change? From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Now that is not to say that the Exchange team might not be working on a Super Large Scale version of the product geared to the needs of high user counts like what we encountered. I am just saying that currently working for an Exchange 2007 migration project for 180K users, I dont see the scalability to 300M users in the near future... especially when you are promising up to 5gb of storage per account with no current sunset of data storage (all message stored for X months, etc) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kat - Original Message - From: Kat Collins mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com http://mobile.google.com/ Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam
RE: Hotmail
I would probably do it as a lazy copy.but to make it more efficient, I'd do it at the filesystem level and be much less concerned about convergence than say, SCR is. If I get a failure, just kill the failure and reseed. I think DAS could do it - but I'd want a filesystem shim for it. I'm willing to bet that hotmail/gmail code makes lots of assumptions that things WORK and on errors you just bail. Whereas an enterprise class system like Exchange makes lots of assumptions about things breaking and how to recover from that. It makes for a difference in mentality in coding efficiency and recovery mechanisms. Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail With something like Hotmail I would assume you need some kind of thin provisioning mechanism for disks. I'm not sure if DAS can do that and for something like Hotmail / Gmail you would pretty much have to thin provision your storage design. From: KevinM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail How are you planning for HA, and SLA ? IF you were to plan DAS replicas as backups and no long term storage how would your design change? From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Now that is not to say that the Exchange team might not be working on a Super Large Scale version of the product geared to the needs of high user counts like what we encountered. I am just saying that currently working for an Exchange 2007 migration project for 180K users, I dont see the scalability to 300M users in the near future... especially when you are promising up to 5gb of storage per account with no current sunset of data storage (all message stored for X months, etc) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kat - Original Message - From: Kat Collins mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24
RE: Hotmail
When you think of millions of users, you are thinking of tens of thousands of disks. You have to plan for hundreds of failures with your Disks... It gets really fun when you do planning on such a massive scale. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail With something like Hotmail I would assume you need some kind of thin provisioning mechanism for disks. I'm not sure if DAS can do that and for something like Hotmail / Gmail you would pretty much have to thin provision your storage design. From: KevinM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hotmail How are you planning for HA, and SLA ? IF you were to plan DAS replicas as backups and no long term storage how would your design change? From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Now that is not to say that the Exchange team might not be working on a Super Large Scale version of the product geared to the needs of high user counts like what we encountered. I am just saying that currently working for an Exchange 2007 migration project for 180K users, I dont see the scalability to 300M users in the near future... especially when you are promising up to 5gb of storage per account with no current sunset of data storage (all message stored for X months, etc) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kat - Original Message - From: Kat Collinsmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesmailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http
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Storage redundancy, fast disk IO, specific RAID configs, etc. Separate Front End and Back End processes and specialized data access methodology, along with a way to segment populations of users to distribute load across groups of servers. Many cool things of which I cannot speak... I can however speak in hypotheticals, so ask away and if I can answer, I will... On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: With something like Hotmail I would assume you need some kind of thin provisioning mechanism for disks. I'm not sure if DAS can do that and for something like Hotmail / Gmail you would pretty much have to thin provision your storage design. *From:* KevinM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:04 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Hotmail How are you planning for HA, and SLA ? IF you were to plan DAS replicas as backups and no long term storage how would your design change? *From:* Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Hotmail Now that is not to say that the Exchange team might not be working on a Super Large Scale version of the product geared to the needs of high user counts like what we encountered. I am just saying that currently working for an Exchange 2007 migration project for 180K users, I dont see the scalability to 300M users in the near future... especially when you are promising up to 5gb of storage per account with no current sunset of data storage (all message stored for X months, etc) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kat - Original Message - *From:* Kat Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM *Subject:* Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list know what mailserver MS uses for Hotmail? I'm curious as it came up in a conversation yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail -- ME2
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Imagine if you will that I deployed well over 18,000 servers in 18 months, and I was only partly done... now multiply the disk on a big HP or Dell and then try to think about what it takes to manage that... hehehe! On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:35 PM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you think of millions of users, you are thinking of tens of thousands of disks. You have to plan for hundreds of failures with your Disks… It gets really fun when you do planning on such a massive scale. *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:26 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Hotmail With something like Hotmail I would assume you need some kind of thin provisioning mechanism for disks. I'm not sure if DAS can do that and for something like Hotmail / Gmail you would pretty much have to thin provision your storage design. *From:* KevinM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:04 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Hotmail How are you planning for HA, and SLA ? IF you were to plan DAS replicas as backups and no long term storage how would your design change? *From:* Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Hotmail Now that is not to say that the Exchange team might not be working on a Super Large Scale version of the product geared to the needs of high user counts like what we encountered. I am just saying that currently working for an Exchange 2007 migration project for 180K users, I dont see the scalability to 300M users in the near future... especially when you are promising up to 5gb of storage per account with no current sunset of data storage (all message stored for X months, etc) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kat - Original Message - *From:* Kat Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM *Subject:* Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. The plan going forward with the wave 14 Exchange push is to migrate hotmail to Exchange. This message is coming to you live from a Microsoft hosted E14 server. Not that I can tell you anything more than that, but you can guess that this means that they have the beginning of that move in place. If it will happen or not is in the air still, but I can comment I do know that it was a goal. -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail I did a little research and it seems they maybe still using BSD for DNS purposes. Kat might know more about that though. - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Hotmail I didn't know that you hung around here. Are you new to the mailing list, or are you a lurker? I think the question of the OP was whether HM is completely on MSFT-based solutions now, or does it still have a foot (or more) in the open-source world? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Hotmail uses a proprietary application developed inhouse. They do not use a thirdparty product. Kat (former HM PM) On 9/24/08, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically says we don't know. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, James
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Keeping in mind, that is really only about 1200 users and 299,998,800 mailboxes. From: KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Hotmail How are you planning for HA, and SLA ? IF you were to plan DAS replicas as backups and no long term storage how would your design change? From: Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hotmail Now that is not to say that the Exchange team might not be working on a Super Large Scale version of the product geared to the needs of high user counts like what we encountered. I am just saying that currently working for an Exchange 2007 migration project for 180K users, I dont see the scalability to 300M users in the near future... especially when you are promising up to 5gb of storage per account with no current sunset of data storage (all message stored for X months, etc) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kat - Original Message - From: Kat Collins To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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LOL On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keeping in mind, that is really only about 1200 users and 299,998,800 mailboxes. -- *From*: KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent*: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:37 PM *To*: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject*: RE: Hotmail How are you planning for HA, and SLA ? IF you were to plan DAS replicas as backups and no long term storage how would your design change? *From:* Kat Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:56 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Hotmail Now that is not to say that the Exchange team might not be working on a Super Large Scale version of the product geared to the needs of high user counts like what we encountered. I am just saying that currently working for an Exchange 2007 migration project for 180K users, I dont see the scalability to 300M users in the near future... especially when you are promising up to 5gb of storage per account with no current sunset of data storage (all message stored for X months, etc) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kat - Original Message - *From:* Kat Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM *Subject:* Re: Hotmail HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is hilarious! I lurve me some Exchange, but there is no way in Hades that Exchange as it stands now or in what I understand for the next 3 generations, could handle the volume, load and uptime requirements of Hotmail. Knowing the backend infrastructure required to support the number of users in Hotmail, I just can't see it. Sorry... :-) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM, KevinM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat would know, she might have Ran hotmail for a while or something like that. -- Kat Collins - The Email of the species is more powerful than the Mail! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
