[Cooker] Re: [expert] Problems compiling 2.3.99-pre2
I don't know what I am doing differently, but I had no problem. I seem to have the same gcc rev's as you, tried pre2 with the 2-4.diffs applied (pre4?). Ran fine for over 2 days, PII-400x2 256Mb until the power blinked in my house. The laptop didn't notice, the old 2x190 IRIX machine came up in about 90 seconds (runs xfs). The linux boxes took almost 10 minutes, and one of them has only 1 18G, 10K RPM SCSI. The older had 2x9G @7.2K-RPM SCSI. Anyway, I'll copy in my .config so you can see if that makes a difference. Maybe I didn't execute your compile path. --- # # Automatically generated by make menuconfig: don't edit # CONFIG_X86=y CONFIG_ISA=y CONFIG_UID16=y # # Code maturity level options # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y # # Processor type and features # # CONFIG_M386 is not set # CONFIG_M486 is not set # CONFIG_M586 is not set # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set CONFIG_M686=y # CONFIG_MK6 is not set # CONFIG_MK7 is not set CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y CONFIG_X86_TSC=y CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_PGE=y # CONFIG_MICROCODE is not set CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y # CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set # CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set CONFIG_MTRR=y CONFIG_SMP=y # # Loadable module support # CONFIG_MODULES=y # CONFIG_MODVERSIONS is not set CONFIG_KMOD=y # # General setup # CONFIG_NET=y # CONFIG_VISWS is not set CONFIG_X86_IO_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=y CONFIG_PCI=y # CONFIG_PCI_GOBIOS is not set # CONFIG_PCI_GODIRECT is not set CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_PCI_NAMES=y # CONFIG_MCA is not set CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y # # PCMCIA/CardBus support # CONFIG_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_CARDBUS=y CONFIG_I82365=y # CONFIG_TCIC is not set CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y # CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT is not set CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_KCORE_ELF=y # CONFIG_KCORE_AOUT is not set CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=m CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=m CONFIG_PM=y CONFIG_ACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_S1_SLEEP=y # CONFIG_APM is not set # # Parallel port support # # CONFIG_PARPORT is not set # # Plug and Play configuration # CONFIG_PNP=y CONFIG_ISAPNP=y # # Block devices # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD is not set # CONFIG_PARIDE is not set # CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DAC960 is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=m # # Networking options # CONFIG_PACKET=y # CONFIG_PACKET_MMAP is not set CONFIG_NETLINK=y CONFIG_RTNETLINK=y CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV=y # CONFIG_NETFILTER is not set # CONFIG_FILTER is not set CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y # CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set # CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set # CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set # CONFIG_IP_ROUTER is not set # CONFIG_NET_IPIP is not set # CONFIG_NET_IPGRE is not set # CONFIG_IP_ALIAS is not set # CONFIG_ARPD is not set CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES=y CONFIG_SKB_LARGE=y # CONFIG_IPV6 is not set # CONFIG_KHTTPD is not set # CONFIG_ATM is not set # CONFIG_IPX is not set # CONFIG_ATALK is not set # CONFIG_DECNET is not set # CONFIG_X25 is not set # CONFIG_LAPB is not set # CONFIG_BRIDGE is not set # CONFIG_LLC is not set # CONFIG_ECONET is not set # CONFIG_WAN_ROUTER is not set # CONFIG_NET_FASTROUTE is not set # CONFIG_NET_HW_FLOWCONTROL is not set # # QoS and/or fair queueing # # CONFIG_NET_SCHED is not set # # Telephony Support # # CONFIG_PHONE is not set # CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ is not set # # ATA/IDE/MFM/RLL support # CONFIG_IDE=m # # IDE, ATA and ATAPI Block devices # # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_ONLY is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set # CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_MODES is not set # # SCSI support # CONFIG_SCSI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y CONFIG_SD_EXTRA_DEVS=40 # CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR_VENDOR=y CONFIG_SR_EXTRA_DEVS=2 # CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG is not set CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG_QUEUES=y # CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN is not set CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y # CONFIG_SCSI_LOGGING is not set # # SCSI low-level drivers # # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_3W__RAID is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_7000FASST is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_ACARD is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_AHA152X is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_AHA1542 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_AHA1740 is not set CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=y CONFIG_AIC7XXX_TCQ_ON_BY_DEFAULT=y CONFIG_AIC7XXX_CMDS_PER_DEVICE=8 CONFIG_AIC7XXX_PROC_STATS=y CONFIG_AIC7XXX_RESET_DELAY=5 # CONFIG_SCSI_IPS is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_ADVANSYS is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_IN2000 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_AM53C974 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_MEGARAID is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_BUSLOGIC is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_DTC3280 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_EATA is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_EATA_DMA is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_EATA_PIO is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_FUTURE_DOMAIN is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_GDTH is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_GENERIC_NCR5380 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_INITIO is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_INIA100 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C406A is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C416 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_SIM710 is not set # CO
Re: [expert] Kernel Panic FYI
Vic wrote: > If you are installing a cpu into a motherboard, > and you don't know the voltage, is it safe to > start at the lowest voltage and then go up > from there until it works? Well, tis safer to read the info printed on the processor and search the web site of the company making it for the model number. But if you have a blank one and a motherboard you can risk... There are two voltages to worry about and they are for the IO pins on the processor and the core voltage.--too large a difference in these can be as deadly as way way too high a voltage. SO, since the I/O pins are the higher voltage, start with the lowest voltage for the IO pins and the highest for the core--like 3.3 for everything--if it works, you most likely have a Pentium between 75 and 150 MHz Then work DOWN the voltages for the core--if none of that works, then use the 3.52 for the IO pins and the core and again work down the core voltages. At some settings the processor will hang, at some it will rise rapidly in temp--put a digital thermometer on it while you do this, or don't do it. At some it will work intermittently at some it will work mostly and at one or perhaps 2 or 3 it will work well. One of the overclocking tricks is to "up the electromotive pressure on the processor" (raise the operating voltage)... I put a K6-266 up to 285 on a 95 bus by kicking the IO pins from 3.3 to 3.52 and it runs great. It was 4x on a 66 bus for 266 and now it is 3x on a 95 bus for about a 30% improvement in speed. HOWEVER, it is far better to use the search tools at your disposal for appropriate information in identifying and runing compuiter components than it is to decrease your cash supply for the purpose of increasing the world's junk supply. Civileme
[expert] PGP
Hello List, I have just done a system upgrade involving reinstall of win98 and L-M7.0. I downloaded pgp 6.5.3 for windows and had it installed and running in no time. Then I downloaded pgp 6.5.1i for linux and the pdf manual. This is the command line version. Nowhere that I can find is there an explanation of how to configure and operate pgp in linux. Can someone please take the time off-list to explain how to run pgp. It will put me out of my misery. Thanks. -- Dennis Robertson 2/2 Sylvia Street NOOSAVILLE QLD 4566 AUSTRALIA Phone: 61 7 54742343 Mobile: 0419 535539 Fax: Phone for setup.
Re: [expert] Re: OT [games]
Tom, I appreciate your answer. The games question was more of curiosity than anything. Chess didn't d/l on my 6.0, but I don't fault L-M. The download was a disaster of my making and a story for another time. I play Mah Jongg, but I liked the original Activision version of Shanghai much better. There were several sets of interchangeable tiles(some animated) and if you won the game you were presented with some of the most outrageously funny fortune cookies I've ever seen. Of course I love dry humor and is why I think M$-Monoply is a hoot. I'm like a little kid in a candy shop when I fire up Linux. I want everything I see and only have 5 cents to spend. In short it means I better learn some basics before I try to add, upgrade or compile. Once I get it up and running I'd like to keep it that way for a few years. And I'd like to learn some very basic programming too. I hope i live long enoght to accomplish both. This old hen has seen a lot of scratch in her days... YOu're a jewel to try to help me and I do appreciate your efforts--even if I don't act like it. :-) Pj
[expert] UDMA 66
I just installed an ibm model 34gxp 20GB hard drive on my dual celeron box using the HPT366 udma 66 controller on my abit bp6 motherboard. After checking the hpt366 setup, I made a stab at installing mandrake 7.0 on it. During the install, man70 says that the udma66 is not completely compatible with linux and would I like to make a boot floppy to install with it. I did that, rebooted with the new install floppy but it was a no joy - system locked during install. The stock 7.0 install would not recognize the presence of the new drive either. Then I booted to the 2.3.51 smp kernel that I have working and it recognized the drive and allowed me to partition and format it. When I attempted to run hdparm on the drive I got the following error: with the -i option I got a dump of the drive data followed by this message: could not allocate sharedmem buf: invalid argument with the -tT options I got the same error message twice. Tried the same thing with my redhat development system booting to a 2.3.99-pre1 kernel and got exactly the same results. Any insights? Tom PS Have to go celebrate the life of my aunt who past away this week. She was over a hundred when she tossed the towel. I'll be back after we've done her justice.
Re: [expert] Problems compiling 2.3.99-pre2
This is linux development. Shut up and work on the problem. Have you gone to www.kernelnotes.org and checked the list of all the software updates that you need to compile the 2.3 kernels? If not I suggest that you do those updates first and then try recompiling. Also I have not been able to compile 2.3.99-pre2 either but I did it with Mandrake 7.0 install and not my redhat 6.2beta development system which I have updated as described above. Do not have time until next week to mess with it anymore. But I'll post it here if I have any success. Tom Nitin Raja Bhatia wrote: > > Hello, > > I am trying to compile 2.3.99-pre2 (with latest patches) on a Mandrake > system, and I always run into problems. This really stinks. > > Here is the error: > > sysctl.c: In function `sysctl_string': > sysctl.c:1135: Internal compiler error in `finish_spills', at > reload1.c:3956 > Please submit a full bug report. > See http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/faq.html#bugreport> for > instructions. > cpp: output pipe has been closed > make[2]: *** [sysctl.o] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99-pre2/kernel' > make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99-pre2/kernel' > make: *** [_dir_kernel] Error 2 > > Some info on my system: > Hardware: PIII 600/256mb Ram > > [root@mandrake linux]# rpm -qa | grep gcc > gcc-c++-2.95.2-4mdk > gcc-chill-2.95.2-4mdk > gcc-colorgcc-2.95.2-4mdk > gcc-cpp-2.95.2-4mdk > gcc-java-2.95.2-4mdk > gcc-objc-2.95.2-4mdk > gcc-2.95.2-4mdk > gcc-g77-2.95.2-4mdk > gcc-libgcj-2.95.2-4mdk > > [root@mandrake update]# rpm -q modutils > modutils-2.3.10-1 > > I do not have pgcc installed. > > Thanks, > Raja > > -- > Nitin Raja Bhatia: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > /\ > |ICQ: 3417925 | "Where I want to go today is LINUX" | > |IRC: #Linux-Mandrake on irc.openprojects.net| > |WEB: http://www.linuxgiant.com | > \/
[Cooker] Problems compiling 2.3.99-pre2
Hello, I am trying to compile 2.3.99-pre2 (with latest patches) on a Mandrake system, and I always run into problems. This really stinks. Here is the error: sysctl.c: In function `sysctl_string': sysctl.c:1135: Internal compiler error in `finish_spills', at reload1.c:3956 Please submit a full bug report. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/faq.html#bugreport> for instructions. cpp: output pipe has been closed make[2]: *** [sysctl.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99-pre2/kernel' make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99-pre2/kernel' make: *** [_dir_kernel] Error 2 Some info on my system: Hardware: PIII 600/256mb Ram [root@mandrake linux]# rpm -qa | grep gcc gcc-c++-2.95.2-4mdk gcc-chill-2.95.2-4mdk gcc-colorgcc-2.95.2-4mdk gcc-cpp-2.95.2-4mdk gcc-java-2.95.2-4mdk gcc-objc-2.95.2-4mdk gcc-2.95.2-4mdk gcc-g77-2.95.2-4mdk gcc-libgcj-2.95.2-4mdk [root@mandrake update]# rpm -q modutils modutils-2.3.10-1 I do not have pgcc installed. Thanks, Raja -- Nitin Raja Bhatia: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /\ |ICQ: 3417925 | "Where I want to go today is LINUX" | |IRC: #Linux-Mandrake on irc.openprojects.net| |WEB: http://www.linuxgiant.com | \/
[expert] Benefits obtained by intalling XFree86 4.0
Hi, I finally installed the XFree86 4.0 on my Dell Laptop with Neomagic video card. Following are the benefits I got from this installation: 1. The problem I previouly reported (see below) was gone; 2. The color menus for Netscape are back at 24 bits, which I would like to see verification from folks like you. Chunnuan Chunnuan Chen wrote: > Hi, > I backed up the files under /etc/X11 and /usr/X11R6/ in order to install > the new XFree86 4.0. After failing to configure the new x server to > support the neomagic video card in my labtop, I copied the files back to > /etc/X11 and /usr/X11R6. Now I cannot login as regular through the GUI, > even though I can do so through the console. Only root can login through > GUI. What are the files related to the GUI login process? > Thanks, > Chunnuan
Re: [expert] Looking for mirror faq
Timothy Litwiller wrote: > Since I notice that Mandrake allows setting up software during setup, I > thought I would add 2 drives and make a stripeset out them after the > install, how do I get to the tool that is used during install to setup > the raid and set the mount points. There may be a dozen ways to do this. My personal favorite is to dowload and install WebMin and then run Netscape on http://127.0.0.1:1 (or whatever port you assigned to Webmin) and then assign the RAID stuff from there. Civileme
Re: [expert] Mandrake 7 on Dell Latitude CPia
You can start with your /etc/fstab file. Comment out any lines with floppy or fd0 in them. Then try your software that was causing the problem. Tom > Michael Barker wrote: > > Hi, > > I have install Mandrake 7 on a Dell laptop. It installed okay, > however it seems to have problems when the floppy drive is not > attached. It seems to think that the device is there when it boots. > This causes problems with some applications (eg. gtop and rpm). It > will report device timeout errors while trying to run these programs > also it some times locks up while shutting down (also report the same > timeout errors). Is there an option I can set that lets the system > know that no floppy is installed (other than recompling the kernel)? > > Thanks, > > Michael Barker > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Modem ALMOST connects -- SOLUTION!!
Before I agree with your solution, do you have the pap user id and password in the pap-secrets file. You can use netcfg to configure it for you but the format is client server secret. It might look something like this: #client server password internet.usinet.username ppp0 password The client here is based on what attglobal.net (formerly ibm.net) uses for a name structure. Make certain that you have the correct client "fully qualified" name. There is a fourth column for ip address but that is not required for a ppp connection where the ip address is dynamically assigned If you do not have anything in the pap-secret file, get rid of the noauth in /etc/ppp/options, fix the pap-secrets file and try logging in again. Tom Benjamin Sher wrote: > > Dear friends: > > Below is a solution to a problem that can drive newbies up the wall and > straight into a mental asylum. It is completely unnecessary and, in my > opinion, should be automatically incorporated into Mandrake's routines. > > I use the U. S. Robotics 56k external modem, which, according to our > resident gurus, is probably the best modem to use with Linux (at any > rate, it must be an external modem. Internal modems cause too many IRQ > problems). > > Using kppp or any dialer, you dial in, the modem rings, you go through > the normal logging routines, and just as you are about to connect, the > modem pulls back and STARTS DIALING AGAIN. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. > > The solution, apparently, has nothing to do with the connection speed. > If your modem "connects" to > the Internet and then, at the last second, disconnects and RESTARTS the > process ad infinitum, the problem is one of authentification. The > solution has to be one of the simplest in the whole of Linux. > > I learned this from a kind list member. I am just passing it on. > Make sure you etch it on your forehead in case you > need to restore your system or you will not remember the solution. > > Here it is: > > [sher@adsl-77-233-178 sher]$ cd /etc/ppp > [sher@adsl-77-233-178 ppp]$ ls > chap-secrets ioptions ip-down* ip-up* options pap-secrets peers/ > [sher@adsl-77-233-178 ppp]$ cat options |more > lock > noauth > [sher@adsl-77-233-178 ppp]$ > > 1) Open any text editor and go to /etc/ppp, then open the file called > "options". You will probably see the one word "lock" (as above) without > the quotes, of course. Now just add the one word "noauth", which means > "no authorization". This tells pppd (or kppp) NOT to look for any > further authentification. And suddenly, you are on the Net. > > 2) If you get a "lock" message when trying to connect, be sure to go to > /var/lock and just delete the "LCK..ttyS1" file. > > Print this out and save it in a safe place in case you forget. > > Benjamin > > -- > Benjamin and Anna Sher > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sher's Russian Web > http://www.websher.net
Re: [expert] install error message
Robert Stephens wrote: > I am trying to install mandrake 7.02. I do not have another keyboard to try > using. Is there any other workaround for this? If it matters at all, my > device manager says it is a US English 101 keyboard...and I have never had > any problems in Windows. Is there another selection I can make at the > keyboard selection part of the install to get it to go thru? Thanks for > everything. > Well, it could be CD, memory, or keyboard that is causing the problem. However, as a shot in the dark, try disconnecting your mouse before installing and using the arrow keys instead. If that does not help, see if you can find another CD. If you bought a set, talk to MacMillan or Mandrake about trying different media. Not every CD pressed is totally readable by every CD drive. Civileme > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Civileme > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 12:16 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] install error message > > Robert Stephens wrote: > > > > I have been trying to install mandrake and I have been running into the > > following problem when the software packages are installing. The software > > installation will suddenly give an error message asking me to confirm my > > keyboard setup, then kills the whole installation. I have an english-us > > keyboard, a micron p-II 450, 128 mb ram. the exact error message is: > > "unable to find file us-latin1.kmp in archive /usr/share/keymaps.cz2 at > > /usr/bin/extract_archive line 26". Can anyone please advise me what I can > > do to get the install to work? I am a newbie at this and any help would > be > > greatly appreciated! Thanks. I have posted this to the newsgroups so far > > with no success getting an answer. > > Hello, Robert, > > Well, you got past the HDD hurdle, and it sounds like you are > using 7.0 Mandrake. > > I have experienced similar messages a couple of times. In one > case I dropped the bus clock to 95 and it went fine (a Gateway, > naturally), and in the other case I had to *replace* a defective > CD drive, on a brand new Dell Inspiron. The user wasn't too > happy to see that, as you can well imagine. > > If you have a different keyboard available which can fit the > slot, you might want to try that first, but it does definitely > smell like a hardware problem. > > Civileme > > -- > Remember that if it is done on networks, it may occur on > your host which is a network unto itself.
RE: [expert] dev busy problems
Thanks for all the help, the solution was to use the setserial auto stuff, it turns out that setserial decided to use IRQ 0! Never would of figured that. But I get get to start all over now. The xserver refused to start today, it said the it could not find the font needed. After some tweaking and poking around I got mad and thru in an old (4.0) slackware cd and tried to install that. Unfortunately the cd was scratched in just the wrong place and lilo screwed up, and since I lent my brother (who lives an hour away) the mandrake cd I couldn't fix it or boot windows. So I had to use the partial slack install, load lynx and setup the modem and download wertern digital's easy drive software to a floppy. Then use a old 486 to run the program and write the boot disk for western digital, now I can boot windows again. Sometimes Linux is a real pain too! But at least I can always get support from good people like you guys, that makes up for any lack of software or configuration headaches. Its the people who make linux rock! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian T. Schellenberger Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 6:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] dev busy problems This is probably NOT the problem, but sometimes a file is software locked by locking the file (including a device) in /var/lock/. I thought you might want to check there for ttyS1. That apparently wasn't it, and I'm afraid it's all I had to suggest; you've already tried all the stuff that looks reasonable to me. On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, you wrote: | Nothing is /var/lock that stood out. Say more about /var/lock. | | Thanks | | Tom | | "Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote: | > | > You might want to check out /var/lock just for grins . . . | > | > On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, you wrote: | > | DD | > | | > | | > | As root try this command: | > | | > | /bin/setserial /dev/ttyS1 auto_irq skip_test autoconfig | > | | > | If it works then put in your /etc/rc.d/rc.serial. Also change ttyS1 to | > | the serial port that your modem is on (0 is #1, 1 is #2, etc). Make the | > | file executable if you created an rc.serial, do not worry about anything | > | else. The startup script will run this during boot if it exists. | > | | > | If it does not work then change the irq to something that is not | > | assigned and then back the irq for the serial port (irq 4 or irq 3). For | > | my laptop I use irq 6. You cannot put this in a startup script. I do not | > | know why and have not hacked thru it to find out. I just know that it | > | works for my laptop pcmcia modem. | > | | > | | > | Tom | > | | > | Dennis Davis wrote: | > | > | > | > Hello | > | > I have been using Slackware for some time now, got a Mandrake 6.1 dist with | > | > a programming book (GNU C++ for Linux, by Tom Swan). It looked pretty good | > | > so I tried it, | > | > all was well until I tried to use sound and modem. They are both pnp. I've | > | > set them up before | > | > without problem, but now if I try to use them I get a busy notice. I've | > | > checked /proc and made | > | > sure that the io and irq's are not used, and I've tried using minicom with | > | > the modem to make sure | > | > it wasn't an X problem. But minicom just tells me that I'm online already | > | > (I'm not) and | > | > kppp says that the modem is busy? All I can think of is that it must be in | > | > the startup | > | > scripts somewhere and since I came from slackware, Mandrake's startup stuff | > | > is different and I | > | > haven't figured it out yet. I did managed to screw-up my ptys though, system | > | > says it cannot open master side of pty. I really would like to keep this | > | > dist on as it has many more featuers | > | > than the slackware 4.0 that I have. Can anyone help with this? | > | > Thanks Dennis | > | > | > | > P.S I used to use configuration manager for pnp. Its a kernel patch that | > | > puts a dir in proc /proc/cm. I could then enable my pnp modem for instance | > | > by putting a simple | > | > line in my rc.local script ie. echo d serial,gvc1601 a 2 >/proc/cm/conf . | > | > This patch | > | > was by David Howells I belive. I haven't been able to find it again and all | > | > I have left in a | > | > diskette with a 2.0 something kernel on it. It boots nicely but still | > | > getthat device busy with mandrake installed! | > | > Does anyone know where I can find the current patch? It used to be | > | > ??.helmet.???.???, Please don't respond with the pnp stuff included with the | > | > kernel source(it sucks). | > -- | > I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). | > I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . | > I support http://www.eff.org & http://www.programming-freedom.org . | > I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html . -- "Brian, the man from babbleon-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support
Re: [expert] Mandrake 7 on Dell Latitude CPia
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Michael Barker wrote: > I have install Mandrake 7 on a Dell laptop. It installed okay, however it > seems to have problems when the floppy drive is not attached. It seems to > think that the device is there when it boots. This causes problems with > some applications (eg. gtop and rpm). It will report device timeout errors > while trying to run these programs also it some times locks up while > shutting down (also report the same timeout errors). Is there an option I > can set that lets the system know that no floppy is installed (other than > recompling the kernel)? blind-guessing: have you installed with supermount enabled? it seems to do nasty things alike. if so, try disabling it. (dunno how to, I never installed it :) -- "No tire sus colillas en el mingitorio, las humedece y las hace dificil de encender" "Do not dump butts in the wc. They dampen and it makes them difficult to light." --Tom Sharpe, "Wilt on high"
Re: [expert] Mandrake 7 on Dell Latitude CPia
Michael Barker wrote: > > > Hi, > > I have install Mandrake 7 on a Dell laptop. It installed okay, > however it seems to have problems when the floppy drive is not > attached. It seems to think that the device is there when it boots. > This causes problems with some applications (eg. gtop and rpm). It > will report device timeout errors while trying to run these programs > also it some times locks up while shutting down (also report the same > timeout errors). Is there an option I can set that lets the system > know that no floppy is installed (other than recompling the kernel)? > > Thanks, > > Michael Barker > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ummm, you used "supermount" in your installation. Ths mounts the device and checks frequently for media inserted to save you the trouble of mounting and unmounting. As root do # supermount disable and the problem should stop immediately. You could also hack on /etc/fstab if that is your style and change the floppy to a normal mount/unmount scheme while leaving the CD supermounted. Civileme
Re: [expert] Kernel Panic FYI
If you are installing a cpu into a motherboard, and you don't know the voltage, is it safe to start at the lowest voltage and then go up from there until it works? On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Tihomir Gasparac mewed: > Hi > > I would just like to share a "Kernel Panic" remedy > with the group. It might be trivial to some, but I > think it might be useful information. > > The problem I had was that Linux crashed consistently > because of "Kernel Panic", all I could do was to power > off. > > This stated to happen a while after I had upgraded to > AMD K6-2 (333MHz), what I then could figure out the > problem occurred in conjunction with APM. I turned off > APM (did not start apmd at boot). After this I was > still always getting the "Kernel Panic" crash but not > as often!!! Linux would stay up longer. > > My next approach was to inspect the memory and CPU. I > tried with reducing the memory and got an interesting > result: I have 96M. With less memory in the box (32M > and 64M) I got the "Kernel Panic" crash right away > after boot!!! > Well, next thing to check was the CPU, I bought a > better fan. This did not help. After that I checked > the jumper settings for the CPU. > * That is where the problem was: * > * I was running the CPU on 2.9 * > * volts instead of the specified 2.2 * > > After fixing this the machine has been rock stable, > even with APM activated. I now know I should have > checked the HW first, but I thought it was a software > problem. > > My two cents, > > /Tiho > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com -- My new linux web server with Apache http://kittypuss.dnydns.org Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up
Marcos Dione wrote: > I don't understand: has this "unusable" cd-rom > have a separate module for it? if so, it's possible that this module > couldn't get into the install floppy. if not, either then mdk guys had > touched that part of kernel (I know they touched in other places, thats > why exists a kener-linus pkg), or the real kernel does not support that hw > anymore (less probable). and the last one: are there more hw in the same > situation? is there an "official list"? will be? I don't know about "official" but if you use a linux distro compiled for advanced processors, or a kernel that has a special shape to accommodate a new GUI installer, or both, here is a short list from my experience of things to AVOID 1. Western Digital drives The WD IDE drive blows off the CRC (Cyclic Redundancy Check) and corrupt data goes unnoticed and unreported. The timing of these drives is also out of spec for advanced instructions from PII PIII processors, and a slow WD and a fast Maxtor on the same channel will do one of two things... (Lost Interrupt or destroy each other with timing chatter) 2. Seagate Drives The Seagate large IDE drives have difficulty with many chipsets on 100MHz Front Side Buses. I haven't managed to make one work with Socket 7 in a very long time. Of course they will work with 386 based distributiuons, so it looks like the advanced code is revealing deficiencies in design or production. These flaws also do not appear on 66MHz FSBs with Intel Chipsets and Celeron processors. 3. USB Modems They might be external but most are software driven. In other words, a new, not so inexpensive but nevetheless cheap, "winmodem" 4. Proprietary CD drives Beware a 34 pin connector on a sound card, or any CD hanging off of one. 5. Proprietary Brands Aureal drivers work with RH so a few people tried them for the Montego Sound card on Dells. It wasn't the difference in RH and Mandrake that defeated the effort so much as the fact that ordinary drivers for the Turtle Beach Montego don't work on the version specifically produced for Dell computers. 6. LS120/LX120 as the ONLY floppy.You cannot make boot floppies with it, though you can make boot cartridges. 7. Older CD Drives (I have a few 4X that will not autoboot, but most 8X will. ) 8. The very newest CD drives, and especially Kenwood. Price competition has driven down the quality. Spend the extra money on a CD-RW or CD-R or SCSI CD where there is still some quality to be had. I have thrown away 7 drives since July and 5 of them were brand new, in service less than 3 months. In the three years previous, I never disposed of one. 9. Almost anything made by PCChips and its friends. Hsin-Tech, Houston Tech, Amptron, Alton, Eurome, and perhaps 20 other brand names. The hardware made by them is usually inexpensive but always cheap at any price, as in flimsy, chintzy, and definitely not for mission-critical applications or where you want to keep your data. Civileme There are also some sites that keep some of this info which I am sure other list members will tell you about. > > > -- > "No tire sus colillas en el mingitorio, las humedece y > las hace dificil de encender" > "Do not dump butts in the wc. They dampen and it makes > them difficult to light." > --Tom Sharpe, "Wilt on high"
Re: [expert] dev busy problems
On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Benjamin Sher wrote: > This could mean simply that you have one instance of RealPlayer or > another audio application open and are not aware of it. So, when trying > to launch Realplayer or another application, you get a lock file. yes, this could happen if esd is installed and running. try installing lslk, and look for /dev/dsp. I think it should give you a clue on who's owning it. -- "No tire sus colillas en el mingitorio, las humedece y las hace dificil de encender" "Do not dump butts in the wc. They dampen and it makes them difficult to light." --Tom Sharpe, "Wilt on high"
Re: [expert] XFree86 Settings for Compaq S3 ViRGE/GX PCI V1.70
Thanks to Uzo Eke I found a way to get my S3 ViRGE working. I installed the XFree86-S3V* rpm and then ran Xconfigurator --noauto. I selected the S3 Virge (old) video card and then restarted. This fixed the video corruption in X. However, there is one caveat. After exiting X the PC has to be rebooted because the text mode video is corrupted. This isn't a major problem for me though as I will probably always start up in X and I can't think of very many situations where I would need to exit X since I can simply use an X terminal. Thanks again Uzo! Cordially, Scott Sprunger John Aldrich wrote: > On Wed, 01 Mar 2000, you wrote: > > Scott Sprunger wrote: > > > > > I've got a Compaq Deskpro 4000 5233MMX with a Compaq S3 ViRGE/GX PCI > > > V1.70 video card. I'm trying to set up X in Mandrake 7.0 using > > > Xconfigurator but so far have been mostly unsuccessful. The problem is > > > that X will come up but the screen is distorted (especially around the > > > mouse pointer). So I tried Xconfigurator --noauto which allowed me to > > > make sure the S3 ViRGE/GX driver was selected along with the correct > > > monitor. I'm fairly certain the problem is not with the monitor as I've > > > successfully run RedHat 6.1 and X in the past. I also tried the S3 > > > ViRGE generic driver and finally the plain S3 driver but all 3 do the > > > same thing. Has anyone else seen this before and if so find a solution? > > > > > > Cordially, > > > > > > Scott Sprunger > > > I'm running an S3 Virge / GX on Mandrake 6.0. > Here's a cut / paste from my WORKING S3 Virge / GX: > Section "Device" > Identifier "S3 Virge / GX" > VendorName "AOpen" > BoardName "PT75 Plus II" > #VideoRam4096 > #Option "xaa_benchmark" > #Option "fifo_moderate" > #Option "pci_burst_on" > #Option "pci_retry" > # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate > EndSection > > I'm using XFree86 3.3.3.1, X-TT 1.2.1, patches according to KDE > Control Center. I'm also (I think) using a frame-buffer kernel. I've > got some problems with this when I *leave* X, but before I enter X > and while I'm IN X, things are great. Console windows are fine as > well. It's only when I shut down X or try to open a different TTY in > console mode that I have problems. Can't read the characters. This is > supposedly fixed in a newer X server, but I haven't bothered to > upgrade. Also, I'm using the Generic SVGA driver. > John
Re: [expert] Kernel Panic FYI
Tihomir Gasparac wrote: > Hi > > I would just like to share a "Kernel Panic" remedy > with the group. It might be trivial to some, but I > think it might be useful information. > > The problem I had was that Linux crashed consistently > because of "Kernel Panic", all I could do was to power > off. > > This stated to happen a while after I had upgraded to > AMD K6-2 (333MHz), what I then could figure out the > problem occurred in conjunction with APM. I turned off > APM (did not start apmd at boot). After this I was > still always getting the "Kernel Panic" crash but not > as often!!! Linux would stay up longer. > > My next approach was to inspect the memory and CPU. I > tried with reducing the memory and got an interesting > result: I have 96M. With less memory in the box (32M > and 64M) I got the "Kernel Panic" crash right away > after boot!!! > Well, next thing to check was the CPU, I bought a > better fan. This did not help. After that I checked > the jumper settings for the CPU. > * That is where the problem was: * > * I was running the CPU on 2.9 * > * volts instead of the specified 2.2 * > > After fixing this the machine has been rock stable, > even with APM activated. I now know I should have > checked the HW first, but I thought it was a software > problem. > > My two cents, > > /Tiho > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com Yep, since moving to linux, I have thje luxury of looking at HW FIRST every time I see a problem. I know the odds are better than 50% that I will be spending my time at the right place (that is of course after I have thought over my own actions carefully and made sure the "problem" didn't have its hands on my keyboard.) I just had a 7.0 install problem -- couldn't find the RAGE II / ATI Mach 64 Server at X install time I inspected the CD and discovered even the BIOS could no longer communicate with it. It would spin disks and eject and load, but the data interface to the Mobo was dead dead dead. That makes 7 CD drives since July. Civileme
Re: [expert] Star Mail problems
On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 21:56 -0500, John Aldrich wrote: > Well, it's nice to have a second SMTP client. :-) That and trying to read M$ > DOC files are about the only reason I keep it around. :-) Yeah, I guess the ability to share docs with the mostly MSOffice-infected world is the main reason to have StarOffice. > Well, unfortunately the "repair" thingy didn't work. So, I re-ran the setup > script and told it to uninstall. Now I'm in the process of reinstalling. > Hopefully this'll fix it! You did remember to remove the .sofficerc in your user's home? Or anywhere else? Remember that StarOffice was first designed and written for Windows. So whereever they port it to, it will always carry the philosophy of a Windows application with it. It it doesn't work as wanted, reinstall! wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
[expert] Generic TV software
I am making a concerted effort to leave Wind'ohs far behind me and as such was wondering whether there is any generic TV tuner software available? I do not have a TV card, but an ASUS TV Box that attaches to my ASUS GeForce card so the software still may not work. I think I basically just need a front end to the hardware. Does anyone know of any. If I get this all I have to figure out is how to play half life under Linux and my move will be complete... Wayne ** ** Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Humanities and Social Sciences Bond University Gold Coast ** **
Re: [expert] Star Mail problems
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, you wrote: > On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:49 -0500, John Aldrich wrote: > > > I posted a problem here a couple days ago that I was having > > with StarMail blowing up every time I try to open my inbox > > in StarMail. > > What the %@$§! are you using StarMail for when you have native > MUAs for everyone's liking in Linux? Don't you know that > StarOffice is the first step of converting a Linux user into a > Windows user? ;-) (Don't take that too serious!) > Well, it's nice to have a second SMTP client. :-) That and trying to read M$ DOC files are about the only reason I keep it around. :-) > > There is a difference in the access line for TechSupport between > Sun and M$. At Sun you get straight to TechSupport. At M$ your > submission has to take a detour via the bean-counter's desk > before it is approved to go on to the techies. > Well, unfortunately the "repair" thingy didn't work. So, I re-ran the setup script and told it to uninstall. Now I'm in the process of reinstalling. Hopefully this'll fix it! John
Re: [expert] shutdown..
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, you wrote: > Linux can shutdown your machine automatically AND safely only if you > currently are running single processor mode. If you are shutting down > from smp, the power manager has been disabled and is unavailable to do > the shutdown. In the future maybe, but now from smp mode YOU get to push > the button. > APM (at least in RedHat/Mandrake 5.x and 6.x) is buggy and will cause the symptoms exhibited by the person who posted the original question. I can't speak for Mandrake 7.x, though. John
[expert] Cannot login as normal user through GUI
Hi, I backed up the files under /etc/X11 and /usr/X11R6/ in order to install the new XFree86 4.0. After failing to configure the new x server to support the neomagic video card in my labtop, I copied the files back to /etc/X11 and /usr/X11R6. Now I cannot login as regular through the GUI, even though I can do so through the console. Only root can login through GUI. What are the files related to the GUI login process? Thanks, Chunnuan
Re: [expert] Apache problem
I think that the /cgi-bin and /cgi-bin/netsaint are in conflict. I suggest you use something like /cgi-netsaint instead. Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Lee Binkley wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:38:11 -0600 > From: Lee Binkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [expert] Apache problem > > Hi Admin > > I am gettin an error with apache , as below: > > NOT FOUND > The requested URL /cgi-bin/netsaint/status.cgi was not found on this > server. > How can this problem be corrected... > > > My httpd.conf > > # Aliases: Add here as many aliases as you need (with no limit). The > format is # Alias fakename realname > # Note that if you include a trailing / on fakename then the server will > # require it to be present in the URL. So "/icons" isn't aliased in > this # example. > Alias /icons/ /home/httpd/icons/ Alias /netsaint/ > /usr/local/netsaint/share/ > # ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts. # > Format: ScriptAlias fakename realname > ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/httpd/cgi-bin/ ScriptAlias > /protected-cgi-bin/ /home/httpd/protected-cgi-bin/ ScriptAlias > /cgi-bin/netsaint/ /usr/local/netsaint/sbin/ > > > ls -l /usr/local/netsaint/sbin > total 362 > -rwxr-xr-x1 netsaint netsaint 7164 Mar 21 09:45 admin.cgi* > -rwxr-xr-x1 netsaint netsaint26403 Mar 21 09:45 > display_entry.cgi* > -rwxrwxr-x1 netsaint netsaint73694 Mar 22 12:18 history.cgi* > -rwxrwxr-x1 netsaint netsaint75057 Mar 22 12:18 > notifications.cgi* > -rw-rw-r--1 netsaint netsaint 233 Mar 22 12:19 nscgi.cfg > -rwxr-xr-x1 netsaint netsaint 1807 Mar 21 09:45 > restart_netsaint.cgi* > -rwxrwxr-x1 netsaint netsaint68410 Mar 22 12:18 showlog.cgi* > -rwxrwxr-x1 netsaint netsaint94959 Mar 22 12:18 status.cgi* > -rwxr-xr-x1 netsaint netsaint13405 Mar 21 09:45 write_entry.cgi* > > >
Re: [expert] /bin/login
Re-install the package (util-linux, in this case, at least for 7.0). On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, you wrote: | Hi, doing some routine admin, accidentally erased /bin/login | Anyone have any ideas how to handle? -- "Brian, the man from babbleon-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support http://www.eff.org. Boycott amazon.com. Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Support decss defendents.
Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up
Mandrake 7.0 made no claims to be a test distribution, and the idea that it should be any less stable than 6.1 is simply wrong-headed. Putting out a "real" release is a promise to your customers that you've got another stable cut of the product. On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, you wrote: | On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 07:22 -0600, Sean Armstrong wrote: | > | > I agree with you that 7.0 + is not as backwards compatible. I understand | > what you are saying about older hardware. But, I do believe the original | > idea of Linux was so that it worked on all of these old pieces of hardware. | | Certainly you are right with this principle. It's amazing what | Linux can do with a worn out 386-33 box. | | But this is not the point here. All-in-all Linux is here to get | every *normal* piece of hardware to do it's very best. Cut out | the *junk-hardware* as GDI(Win)-printers or those halfhearted | modem cards. | | That's the overall picture. Now we get to the pixels of that | picture. | | Each distribution has it's special corner in the market. IMHO | there is no egg-producing-wooly-milk-giving-pig (that's a german | saying for one-fits-and-does-everything). | | That has to be in the same way as cars are here for the | overall purpose of transportation. But there are reliable trucks | and vans for the stable heavy-duty tasks, luxory limos for the | one who want his toilet-paper warmed before usage, and sleek | sportscars with state-of-the-art souped up engines and special | tires and manual gear-shifting. | | Now, would you use such a sportscar on a rainy day when you | *have* to rely on getting to your destination on time? Or would | you rather take a normal, less fancy but the more reliable car? | Or would you complain about that sportscar being too rough on a | bumpy road? | | I hope I did not offend all the bikers with my useage of car | examples ;-) | | Here comes the stable MDK 6.1 for your daily work. And here | comes the new fancy MDK 7.0x for testing your hardware to the | limits and checking out what *modern* Linux can do with *modern* | hardware. | | When I got MDK 7.0 I installed it on a test machine and played | with it for some time. After it was running stable (in the areas | I use it) I made it my main system where I do my daily work. | | I'll do the same with the next version, and the next, and | | If I find that my hardware will no longer match the newest | software I can decide if I want to upgrade my hardware or stick | to the level of Linux which matches my hardware. | | Now I get the impression I'm repeating myself. Boring... | | wobo | -- | GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE | For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request | --- | ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html -- "Brian, the man from babbleon-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support http://www.eff.org. Boycott amazon.com. Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Support decss defendents.
Re: [expert] CMI 8738 sound card on mandrake 7
Get the latest kernel from cooker, it has a new driver for the 8738. I tested it on my machine, it works great. Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Glyn Millington wrote: > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:43:03 + > From: Glyn Millington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Mandrake Expert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [expert] CMI 8738 sound card on mandrake 7 > > > Hi! > > I've finally plucked up courage and installed Mandrake 7. At > last I have a system that detects my sound card - that's > progress, but it still doesn't support the actual production of > sound! > > The card, according to Lothar, is a PCI sound-card, a CMI 8738. > Has anyone else out there found support for such a creature and > if so, where? > > Thanks in advance > > Glyn M. > > > > -- >** >* "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * >* Douglas Hoftstatder* >** >
Re: [expert] /bin/login
Thank You! Bug Hunter wrote: > > Yes. go to www.toms.net and get toms root boot. Generate a floppy (you > can do this from a win95 machine in dos mode). Get a copy of login onto a > site you can ftp from. boot up with tom's root boot, mount the drive, > then ftp the login program over. make it executable and reboot. > > If you spend some time with tom's root boot, you could customize it to > have login on it. > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Morgan A. Miskell wrote: > > > Hi, doing some routine admin, accidentally erased /bin/login > > Anyone have any ideas how to handle? > >
[expert] Mandrake 7 on Dell Latitude CPia
Title: Mandrake 7 on Dell Latitude CPia Hi, I have install Mandrake 7 on a Dell laptop. It installed okay, however it seems to have problems when the floppy drive is not attached. It seems to think that the device is there when it boots. This causes problems with some applications (eg. gtop and rpm). It will report device timeout errors while trying to run these programs also it some times locks up while shutting down (also report the same timeout errors). Is there an option I can set that lets the system know that no floppy is installed (other than recompling the kernel)? Thanks, Michael Barker Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[expert] Apache problem
Hi Admin I am gettin an error with apache , as below: NOT FOUND The requested URL /cgi-bin/netsaint/status.cgi was not found on this server. How can this problem be corrected... My httpd.conf # Aliases: Add here as many aliases as you need (with no limit). The format is # Alias fakename realname # Note that if you include a trailing / on fakename then the server will # require it to be present in the URL. So "/icons" isn't aliased in this # example. Alias /icons/ /home/httpd/icons/ Alias /netsaint/ /usr/local/netsaint/share/ # ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts. # Format: ScriptAlias fakename realname ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/httpd/cgi-bin/ ScriptAlias /protected-cgi-bin/ /home/httpd/protected-cgi-bin/ ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/netsaint/ /usr/local/netsaint/sbin/ ls -l /usr/local/netsaint/sbin total 362 -rwxr-xr-x 1 netsaint netsaint 7164 Mar 21 09:45 admin.cgi* -rwxr-xr-x 1 netsaint netsaint 26403 Mar 21 09:45 display_entry.cgi* -rwxrwxr-x 1 netsaint netsaint 73694 Mar 22 12:18 history.cgi* -rwxrwxr-x 1 netsaint netsaint 75057 Mar 22 12:18 notifications.cgi* -rw-rw-r-- 1 netsaint netsaint 233 Mar 22 12:19 nscgi.cfg -rwxr-xr-x 1 netsaint netsaint 1807 Mar 21 09:45 restart_netsaint.cgi* -rwxrwxr-x 1 netsaint netsaint 68410 Mar 22 12:18 showlog.cgi* -rwxrwxr-x 1 netsaint netsaint 94959 Mar 22 12:18 status.cgi* -rwxr-xr-x 1 netsaint netsaint 13405 Mar 21 09:45 write_entry.cgi*
Re: [expert] /bin/login
floppy boot, load your rescue disk, put your mandrake disk in the cdrom, mount it (mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom), rpm -ivh --nodep /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/util-linux-2.10b-2mdk.i586.rpm Then do a three finger reboot, remove the floppy and watch it fly again. Tom PS Caveat: This is one of the extremely rare occurrences where it is safe to use the nodep option in rpm. "Morgan A. Miskell" wrote: > > Hi, doing some routine admin, accidentally erased /bin/login > Anyone have any ideas how to handle?
[expert] Looking for mirror faq
Since I notice that Mandrake allows setting up software during setup, I thought I would add 2 drives and make a stripeset out them after the install, how do I get to the tool that is used during install to setup the raid and set the mount points.
Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up
Right on wobo. I have and extra 13.5 gb hard drive whose sole purpose in life is to test new linux distros until they prove stable and I prefer to work on them. Then the old distro disk space becomes the test space. Only sane way to try linux or any new software especially if its your only system. Tom Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 07:22 -0600, Sean Armstrong wrote: > > > > I agree with you that 7.0 + is not as backwards compatible. I understand > > what you are saying about older hardware. But, I do believe the original > > idea of Linux was so that it worked on all of these old pieces of hardware. > > Certainly you are right with this principle. It's amazing what > Linux can do with a worn out 386-33 box. > > But this is not the point here. All-in-all Linux is here to get > every *normal* piece of hardware to do it's very best. Cut out > the *junk-hardware* as GDI(Win)-printers or those halfhearted > modem cards. > > That's the overall picture. Now we get to the pixels of that > picture. > > Each distribution has it's special corner in the market. IMHO > there is no egg-producing-wooly-milk-giving-pig (that's a german > saying for one-fits-and-does-everything). > > That has to be in the same way as cars are here for the > overall purpose of transportation. But there are reliable trucks > and vans for the stable heavy-duty tasks, luxory limos for the > one who want his toilet-paper warmed before usage, and sleek > sportscars with state-of-the-art souped up engines and special > tires and manual gear-shifting. > > Now, would you use such a sportscar on a rainy day when you > *have* to rely on getting to your destination on time? Or would > you rather take a normal, less fancy but the more reliable car? > Or would you complain about that sportscar being too rough on a > bumpy road? > > I hope I did not offend all the bikers with my useage of car > examples ;-) > > Here comes the stable MDK 6.1 for your daily work. And here > comes the new fancy MDK 7.0x for testing your hardware to the > limits and checking out what *modern* Linux can do with *modern* > hardware. > > When I got MDK 7.0 I installed it on a test machine and played > with it for some time. After it was running stable (in the areas > I use it) I made it my main system where I do my daily work. > > I'll do the same with the next version, and the next, and > > If I find that my hardware will no longer match the newest > software I can decide if I want to upgrade my hardware or stick > to the level of Linux which matches my hardware. > > Now I get the impression I'm repeating myself. Boring... > > wobo > -- > GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE > For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request > --- > ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
[expert] KPPP Authentification -- footnote
Dear friends: See my previous message and solution. Forgot to add: After adding "noauth" (without quotes) to /etc/ppp/options, be sure, if necessary, to REBOOT. Benjamin -- Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net
Re: [expert] dev busy problems
Dear friends: This could mean simply that you have one instance of RealPlayer or another audio application open and are not aware of it. So, when trying to launch Realplayer or another application, you get a lock file. This just happened to me: I had Real open on the task bar at the top of KDE but had forgotten it was there. I went to ABCNews to watch a news report on Real (in embedded plugin format -- really works!). Well, I got the "device busy" error message. Went to the taskbar, saw that the first instance of Real was open and running, closed it, went back to ABCNews, click on the Play button on the embedded screen and, bingo, ABC News from Jerusalem. Benjamin -- Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net
Re: [expert] Re: OT [games]
Finding linux software: http://www.linuxlinks.com Use the click on the software button and on the next page you will see so much software listed that you will have a brain dump. Keep you hands under your chin so that you can catch it and it keep it from hitting the desk top. Have fun there. But alas no cribbage or bridge. Often if you find a game, you can look on rpmfind.net and see if they have an rpm file for the game. More on that later. Thats a whole new topic. Tom Pj wrote: > > I know this is way off topic but I wonder if there is a Linux version of > bridge, cribbage and chess? I haven't been able to locate them. > > Thanks, > > Pj > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[expert] Modem ALMOST connects -- SOLUTION!!
Dear friends: Below is a solution to a problem that can drive newbies up the wall and straight into a mental asylum. It is completely unnecessary and, in my opinion, should be automatically incorporated into Mandrake's routines. I use the U. S. Robotics 56k external modem, which, according to our resident gurus, is probably the best modem to use with Linux (at any rate, it must be an external modem. Internal modems cause too many IRQ problems). Using kppp or any dialer, you dial in, the modem rings, you go through the normal logging routines, and just as you are about to connect, the modem pulls back and STARTS DIALING AGAIN. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. The solution, apparently, has nothing to do with the connection speed. If your modem "connects" to the Internet and then, at the last second, disconnects and RESTARTS the process ad infinitum, the problem is one of authentification. The solution has to be one of the simplest in the whole of Linux. I learned this from a kind list member. I am just passing it on. Make sure you etch it on your forehead in case you need to restore your system or you will not remember the solution. Here it is: [sher@adsl-77-233-178 sher]$ cd /etc/ppp [sher@adsl-77-233-178 ppp]$ ls chap-secrets ioptions ip-down* ip-up* options pap-secrets peers/ [sher@adsl-77-233-178 ppp]$ cat options |more lock noauth [sher@adsl-77-233-178 ppp]$ 1) Open any text editor and go to /etc/ppp, then open the file called "options". You will probably see the one word "lock" (as above) without the quotes, of course. Now just add the one word "noauth", which means "no authorization". This tells pppd (or kppp) NOT to look for any further authentification. And suddenly, you are on the Net. 2) If you get a "lock" message when trying to connect, be sure to go to /var/lock and just delete the "LCK..ttyS1" file. Print this out and save it in a safe place in case you forget. Benjamin -- Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net
Re: [expert] Re: OT [games]
Yes there are several chess games on your mandrake cd. To find them type locate *chess One of them is gnome-chess. If you do not see it in the list that locate gave you then do this: 1) put your mandrake cd in the cdrom 2) su 3) enter password 4) rpm -ivh /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/gnome-chesss-0.2.3-1mdk.i586.rpm 5) if this does not install but gives you a list of required dependencies then 5a) rpm -ivh /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/gnome*rpm rpm -Uvh /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/switchdesk*rpm 6) Then you can play chess with the mouse. If you have any problems using chess under kde then use the switchdesk-kde command and select gnome. The logout and login and voila you can play chess in gnome until you are bored or so frustrated that you want to boot the machine out the window. This is always the best time to stop, just BEFORE you kick that sucker out the window. Have fun Tom PS If you need any help with this over the weekend, just query the mandrake expert list. Pj wrote: > > I know this is way off topic but I wonder if there is a Linux version of > bridge, cribbage and chess? I haven't been able to locate them. > > Thanks, > > Pj > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up
I don't understand: has this "unusable" cd-rom have a separate module for it? if so, it's possible that this module couldn't get into the install floppy. if not, either then mdk guys had touched that part of kernel (I know they touched in other places, thats why exists a kener-linus pkg), or the real kernel does not support that hw anymore (less probable). and the last one: are there more hw in the same situation? is there an "official list"? will be? -- "No tire sus colillas en el mingitorio, las humedece y las hace dificil de encender" "Do not dump butts in the wc. They dampen and it makes them difficult to light." --Tom Sharpe, "Wilt on high"
Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up
The reason Win95/98 are so large and slow is that they WERE supposed to be backwards compatible as much as possible. Win2000 is not the next step in the Win95/98 chain, its the next step in the NT chain. Windows Millenium is the next step in 95/98 chain, and it has the same problems 95 & 98 do, plus the obligatory new bugs MS introduces with each new product. I like Mandrake BECAUSE it's not backwards. If I wanted to run Linux on a 386, I wouldn't have bought a PIII 500, yet most of the Linux (binary) distros I see are for 386s. Since I'm new to Linux, I didn't want to have to figure out how to do a build just to take advantage of my hardware. If Mandrake doesn't install on my old hardware (haven't tried it yet, but I will) I won't be heartbroken - heck, I won't even be annoyed. There are enough distributions out there that DO support obsolete equipment by default. :) --- Sean Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for reading the whole message and not > being overly sensitive. The > reason I wrote such a stinging message in the first > place was due to the > lack of response to the problems by people that > would rather be led around > on their favorite distributions corporate change and > could not see no wrong > in the distribution. Thank you for looking past this > prejudice and trying to > solve the real issue. > > I agree with you that 7.0 + is not as backwards > compatible. I understand > what you are saying about older hardware. But, I do > believe the original > idea of Linux was so that it worked on all of these > old pieces of hardware. > Ive run Win98 on the same two computers and they > work but they sure do bog > down. But when I run Linux, I can do things on these > old computers that just > wouldn't be possible under Win98 because of speed. I > thought the whole > reason for switching to Linux was to get away from > Winbloze. Now, by your > own argument, it sounds like Mandrake wishes to make > their distribution more > like windo$e. No backward compatability. Have you > tried Win2000 yet? This is > a major problem with Win2000. And Win200 runs faster > on my computers than > Win98. Can you believe that? I don't like Windoze. I > love working with > Linux. I'd hate to see people lose focus of the > Linux objective just to make > a profit. Thank you for your patience. > SA > > >From: Wolfgang Bornath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is > messed up > >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:32:18 +0100 > > > >On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 13:13 -0600, Sean Armstrong > wrote: > > > Now that I've had some time to cool down, let me > start by apologizing to > > > those diehard Mandrake people that couldn't read > past the Subject before > > > getting offended and defensive of their > distribution. > > > >I read past the subject and I even read this mail > till the end. > >And I understand quite well what you mean. I do get > the point > >you're making. > > > >I cannot say anything about the mouse-problem or > other problems. > > > >Just about the CD issue. You made it very clear > yourself in this > >mail. > > > >1. You have old hardware and new hardware. > > > >2. You have an "old" Mandrake version and a new > version. > > > >See the picture? > > > >Mandrake's distribution aims at the hardware of > today *without* > >carrying all the back-compatibility with it. The > optimization > >for 586 cpus makes that very clear. > > > >So my questions are: > >1. > >Why do you want to run a distribution of that kind > on hardware > >which is not fit for it? > >2. > >Why do you have to upgrade the older machine at > all? > >A know someone using RedHat 5.2 with some upgraded > packages. It > >suits his hardware and his purposes. > >In our office we have a 486SX running DOS 6.2 and > Win 3.1 for > >testing and for some cardgames and for some newbies > who never > >saw a computer at all. > >We'd never get the idea to install Win95/98 on this > box. > > > >IMHO there are really stable distributions with > rocksolid > >conventional setup for hardware which is not up to > a bleeding > >edge distribution. Mandrake 7.0 never wanted to be > and never > >said to be such a backwards-compatible > distribution. > > > >It all comes down to one of Linux' main principles: > >For every purpose and every liking and every limit > there is a > >way to go under Linux. You just have to choose what > you and your > >hardware want and are able to do. > > > >So, maybe I'm a diehard Mandrake disciple. But > maybe I just see > >the meaning of an old proverb (popular in Germany): > Each pot has > >a matching lid. There is no lid matching all the > pots. > > > >I think this has nothing to do with marketing or > "World > >Domination Now!". Mandrake made the aim of Air > clear. Like > >Coral's CEO Mr. Coupland did when he stated that > they want to > >make Corel Linux as similar to Windows as possible, > so not to > >offend possible co
Re: [expert] /bin/login
Yes. go to www.toms.net and get toms root boot. Generate a floppy (you can do this from a win95 machine in dos mode). Get a copy of login onto a site you can ftp from. boot up with tom's root boot, mount the drive, then ftp the login program over. make it executable and reboot. If you spend some time with tom's root boot, you could customize it to have login on it. On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Morgan A. Miskell wrote: > Hi, doing some routine admin, accidentally erased /bin/login > Anyone have any ideas how to handle? >
Re: [expert] How do I get rid of onboard video & sound
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, David G. Thiessen wrote: > to do something similar in Mandrake. Any suggestions? er... hope this works. In /etc/conf.modiles are the configuration for the automatically loaded modules. just comment the ones related to your old sc. if there there is no info about your sc, then it could be compiled within the kernerl; solution: reconfigure, recompile and install a new kernel without that sc support. -- "No tire sus colillas en el mingitorio, las humedece y las hace dificil de encender" "Do not dump butts in the wc. They dampen and it makes them difficult to light." --Tom Sharpe, "Wilt on high"
Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up
I've been watching this thing for a while and I'm also on the cooker list helping the devel team. What I've noticed is this Pixel one of the programmers is straight forward he tells you like it is and tries to fix it if he can find the problem and he recently posted that they can't recreate the problem. Now maybe if you send them your computer they could recreate it and fix it. Otherwise how are they expected to have every piece of hardware ever made in every configuration ever made or put together in someone's garage? This is viable considering all the different manufacturers out there. being on the cooker team I've seen other things and like for instance at least you don't have a brand new kenwood truespeed cdrom they do run allot faster but linux hates them. I've also seen allot of older stuff working that windows won't even touch because the drivers can't be found. I Own a computer store and you would be suprised at what people are still trying to run. Armstrong wrote: > > I would love to help anyway that I can. I have to admit that I'm not a > Prolific programmer, But I'm well versed in installing different > distributions. I was thinking about this QA issue, and I don't think that > Mandrake would be able to catch everything. Lets face it, noone can catch > everything. However, and you can correct me if I'm wrong here because I > don't believe this exists yet, maybe an email address for QA to addresss > issues on released products. Not just for bugs, but for other reliability > and cosmetic issues to help enhance Mandrake's distributions. That is just > off the top of my head and probably there is a better way to do this, but I > would be more than willing to help. > Thanks for your patience and for reading my email all the way through. > SA > > >Glad to see you have cooled down. Now shall we ponder a constructive > >method of > >improving the quality assurance? I don't think any classical inspection > >scheme > >is really much more than a broken system to begin with, and probably > >inapplicable given the open shop environment we deal with. Would you be > >willing to be part of a team to propose a method of building in better > >quality > >(not fixing what's broke but building it right the first time) if we users > >could get someone at Mandrakesoft to agree to test the resulting proposed > >system? > > > >Civileme > > > > > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
[expert] Kernel Panic FYI
Hi I would just like to share a "Kernel Panic" remedy with the group. It might be trivial to some, but I think it might be useful information. The problem I had was that Linux crashed consistently because of "Kernel Panic", all I could do was to power off. This stated to happen a while after I had upgraded to AMD K6-2 (333MHz), what I then could figure out the problem occurred in conjunction with APM. I turned off APM (did not start apmd at boot). After this I was still always getting the "Kernel Panic" crash but not as often!!! Linux would stay up longer. My next approach was to inspect the memory and CPU. I tried with reducing the memory and got an interesting result: I have 96M. With less memory in the box (32M and 64M) I got the "Kernel Panic" crash right away after boot!!! Well, next thing to check was the CPU, I bought a better fan. This did not help. After that I checked the jumper settings for the CPU. * That is where the problem was: * * I was running the CPU on 2.9 * * volts instead of the specified 2.2 * After fixing this the machine has been rock stable, even with APM activated. I now know I should have checked the HW first, but I thought it was a software problem. My two cents, /Tiho __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] Canon BJC2000 with Linux
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, you wrote: > Hi, > Anyone get this Canon BJC2000 Printer work under linux (distro) ? > i tried it with Mandrake 7.0 but it doen'nt work. I've got a BJC 3000 working using the BJC4000 driver. Haven't got console printing down though. /Jocke!
Re: [expert] dev busy problems
This is probably NOT the problem, but sometimes a file is software locked by locking the file (including a device) in /var/lock/. I thought you might want to check there for ttyS1. That apparently wasn't it, and I'm afraid it's all I had to suggest; you've already tried all the stuff that looks reasonable to me. On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, you wrote: | Nothing is /var/lock that stood out. Say more about /var/lock. | | Thanks | | Tom | | "Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote: | > | > You might want to check out /var/lock just for grins . . . | > | > On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, you wrote: | > | DD | > | | > | | > | As root try this command: | > | | > | /bin/setserial /dev/ttyS1 auto_irq skip_test autoconfig | > | | > | If it works then put in your /etc/rc.d/rc.serial. Also change ttyS1 to | > | the serial port that your modem is on (0 is #1, 1 is #2, etc). Make the | > | file executable if you created an rc.serial, do not worry about anything | > | else. The startup script will run this during boot if it exists. | > | | > | If it does not work then change the irq to something that is not | > | assigned and then back the irq for the serial port (irq 4 or irq 3). For | > | my laptop I use irq 6. You cannot put this in a startup script. I do not | > | know why and have not hacked thru it to find out. I just know that it | > | works for my laptop pcmcia modem. | > | | > | | > | Tom | > | | > | Dennis Davis wrote: | > | > | > | > Hello | > | > I have been using Slackware for some time now, got a Mandrake 6.1 dist |with | > | > a programming book (GNU C++ for Linux, by Tom Swan). It looked pretty good | > | > so I tried it, | > | > all was well until I tried to use sound and modem. They are both pnp. I've | > | > set them up before | > | > without problem, but now if I try to use them I get a busy notice. I've | > | > checked /proc and made | > | > sure that the io and irq's are not used, and I've tried using minicom with | > | > the modem to make sure | > | > it wasn't an X problem. But minicom just tells me that I'm online already | > | > (I'm not) and | > | > kppp says that the modem is busy? All I can think of is that it must be in | > | > the startup | > | > scripts somewhere and since I came from slackware, Mandrake's startup stuff | > | > is different and I | > | > haven't figured it out yet. I did managed to screw-up my ptys though, system | > | > says it cannot open master side of pty. I really would like to keep this | > | > dist on as it has many more featuers | > | > than the slackware 4.0 that I have. Can anyone help with this? | > | > Thanks Dennis | > | > | > | > P.S I used to use configuration manager for pnp. Its a kernel patch that | > | > puts a dir in proc /proc/cm. I could then enable my pnp modem for instance | > | > by putting a simple | > | > line in my rc.local script ie. echo d serial,gvc1601 a 2 >/proc/cm/conf . | > | > This patch | > | > was by David Howells I belive. I haven't been able to find it again and all | > | > I have left in a | > | > diskette with a 2.0 something kernel on it. It boots nicely but still | > | > getthat device busy with mandrake installed! | > | > Does anyone know where I can find the current patch? It used to be | > | > ??.helmet.???.???, Please don't respond with the pnp stuff included with the | > | > kernel source(it sucks). | > -- | > I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). | > I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . | > I support http://www.eff.org & http://www.programming-freedom.org . | > I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html . -- "Brian, the man from babbleon-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support http://www.eff.org. Boycott amazon.com. Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Support decss defendents.
[expert] /bin/login
Hi, doing some routine admin, accidentally erased /bin/login Anyone have any ideas how to handle?
RE: [expert] install error message
I am trying to install mandrake 7.02. I do not have another keyboard to try using. Is there any other workaround for this? If it matters at all, my device manager says it is a US English 101 keyboard...and I have never had any problems in Windows. Is there another selection I can make at the keyboard selection part of the install to get it to go thru? Thanks for everything. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Civileme Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 12:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] install error message Robert Stephens wrote: > > I have been trying to install mandrake and I have been running into the > following problem when the software packages are installing. The software > installation will suddenly give an error message asking me to confirm my > keyboard setup, then kills the whole installation. I have an english-us > keyboard, a micron p-II 450, 128 mb ram. the exact error message is: > "unable to find file us-latin1.kmp in archive /usr/share/keymaps.cz2 at > /usr/bin/extract_archive line 26". Can anyone please advise me what I can > do to get the install to work? I am a newbie at this and any help would be > greatly appreciated! Thanks. I have posted this to the newsgroups so far > with no success getting an answer. Hello, Robert, Well, you got past the HDD hurdle, and it sounds like you are using 7.0 Mandrake. I have experienced similar messages a couple of times. In one case I dropped the bus clock to 95 and it went fine (a Gateway, naturally), and in the other case I had to *replace* a defective CD drive, on a brand new Dell Inspiron. The user wasn't too happy to see that, as you can well imagine. If you have a different keyboard available which can fit the slot, you might want to try that first, but it does definitely smell like a hardware problem. Civileme -- Remember that if it is done on networks, it may occur on your host which is a network unto itself.
Re: [expert] OT BO spoofing alert
I don't know if any of you are interested in Back Orifice or not. I tracked down a spoof that came thru Saudi Arabia and sent a log to the Kingdom. The DNS numbers: 212.46.35.181 & 116; and 212.46.36.243. The last number was reported 'unregistered'. These attempts were made on Friday night and late Sunday afternoon while my nephew was in a chat room. He said one chat room was shut down because of it. I received a reply today stating appropriate action had been taken, and the IP in question is to contact me. I wish everyone a very quiet weekend. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Printer accounting
On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Civileme wrote: > Suppiluliuma wrote: my dear suppiluliuma: have you tried cups? it has printing accounting per se. hope it helps.
Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up
On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 07:22 -0600, Sean Armstrong wrote: > > I agree with you that 7.0 + is not as backwards compatible. I understand > what you are saying about older hardware. But, I do believe the original > idea of Linux was so that it worked on all of these old pieces of hardware. Certainly you are right with this principle. It's amazing what Linux can do with a worn out 386-33 box. But this is not the point here. All-in-all Linux is here to get every *normal* piece of hardware to do it's very best. Cut out the *junk-hardware* as GDI(Win)-printers or those halfhearted modem cards. That's the overall picture. Now we get to the pixels of that picture. Each distribution has it's special corner in the market. IMHO there is no egg-producing-wooly-milk-giving-pig (that's a german saying for one-fits-and-does-everything). That has to be in the same way as cars are here for the overall purpose of transportation. But there are reliable trucks and vans for the stable heavy-duty tasks, luxory limos for the one who want his toilet-paper warmed before usage, and sleek sportscars with state-of-the-art souped up engines and special tires and manual gear-shifting. Now, would you use such a sportscar on a rainy day when you *have* to rely on getting to your destination on time? Or would you rather take a normal, less fancy but the more reliable car? Or would you complain about that sportscar being too rough on a bumpy road? I hope I did not offend all the bikers with my useage of car examples ;-) Here comes the stable MDK 6.1 for your daily work. And here comes the new fancy MDK 7.0x for testing your hardware to the limits and checking out what *modern* Linux can do with *modern* hardware. When I got MDK 7.0 I installed it on a test machine and played with it for some time. After it was running stable (in the areas I use it) I made it my main system where I do my daily work. I'll do the same with the next version, and the next, and If I find that my hardware will no longer match the newest software I can decide if I want to upgrade my hardware or stick to the level of Linux which matches my hardware. Now I get the impression I'm repeating myself. Boring... wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up
If it was the older CDROM at fault, then how come the 6.1 distribution installed just fine? If it was the CD burn, then how come 7.02 initialized another cdrom and installed fine? If it isn't a bug, then how come Mandrake has been aware of the problem since the release of O2 and done nothing about it? Maybe you should of read a little more carefully before getting offended by the inial paragraph. By the way, I worte that bit of initial sarcasm on purpose for people that can't see past their distribution loyalties and look at trully finding the answer to the problem before they blow someone off. The real apology was at the end of the email for those people that were big enough to REALLY read the email and try to fix the problem. Nice try. SA >From: Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:44:29 -0700 > >On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:13:29PM -0600, Sean Armstrong wrote: >-> Now that I've had some time to cool down, let me start by apologizing to >-> those diehard Mandrake people that couldn't read past the Subject before >-> getting offended and defensive of their distribution. > >Gee, Sean, you are the soul of tact here. In the same sentence you 1) >offer an apology, and 2) insult the people to whom you are trying to >apologize. Want a job as a PR flack for Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign? > > >-> Now, let me try to >-> re-explain this problem one more time so there is no confusion: >-> I have two computers, one is an old DELL P133Mhz with an old TEAC cdrom. >The >-> other is another old computer with an AMD K-5 133mhz chip and a brand >-> spanking new 50x cdrom. Two problems began with the beta release of 7.0 >the >-> release of air and now the release of 7.02. First problem is the cdrom. >All >-> three versions of 7.0 will not autoboot or initialize on the old TEAC >Cdrom. >-> They will however do this on the 50X cdrom no problemo. The bug in this >-> issue is that the 6.0 and 6.1 versions had NO problem on either cdrom. I >-> understand that Mandrake changed installers from the old Redhat >installer to >-> the fancy new GUI installer. They did not, however carry over any code >for >-> the older ATAPI cdroms. > >On what do you base this last sentence? Unless you can show this, your >arguement fails. Since most CD-ROM drivers are part of the Linux disty and >are not provided by the packager, this suggests that all recent disties >should be subject to the same problem, if indeed it is a problem. > >-> So, their new installer does not initialize on some >-> older CDROMS. My CDROM works fine because I went and reinstalled >Mandrake >-> 6.1 with no problems. Granted I'm not the most prolific programmer in >the >-> world, but I've installed every distribution of Linux I could find on >this >-> computer. The only other one that gave me any problems was the Corell >dist. >-> (Which really sucks) The second problem is that I couldn't get the >graphical >-> installer to recognize my mouse automatically on the AMD computer. No >-> problem I was still able to install with my keyboard, but I couldn't >choose >-> what packages to install. I fixed this after finishing installation. >-> >-> These were my two problems. After running into this problem 3 time with >all >-> three 7.0 dists. and never received any fruitful help, only workaround >-> advice that was more trouble than it was worth. Or, told I didn't know >what >-> I was doing and should read the documentation again because there wasn't >any >-> bug when there obviously was. I finnally let my frustration get the best >of >-> me and vented a little in hopes of making others think about the problem >a >-> little instead of telling me how great their wonderful brand spanking >new >-> Mandrake 7.02 works on all of THEIR computers. (This irritated me even >more, >-> even though I probably deserved it because most people think these kinds >of >-> letters are flame mail only) >-> The point is, and I apologize to those of you who made it this far, is >that >-> in the competitive markets of OS's that is becoming more competitive as >-> Windblozes loses it's media control, Mandrake rushed this product out a >-> little fast and di NOT fix all of the REPORTED bugs in Oxygen. (Believe >me, >-> I reported these bugs to them the moment O2 was released) And the CDROM >and >-> Mouse issue are bugs because they do not crop up in earlier versions of >-> Mandrake. Maybe that can't fix all the bugs, but they should fix the >-> reported bugs or document a decent workaround until they can fix it >before >-> releasing a product labelled as stable. This is good business sense if >you >-> don't want to piss of your customers. And this is a customer oriented >market >-> whether their product is free or not. That, you'll get what we give you >-> because it's free and love it attitude is just as bad as the we control >the >-
Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up
I would love to help anyway that I can. I have to admit that I'm not a Prolific programmer, But I'm well versed in installing different distributions. I was thinking about this QA issue, and I don't think that Mandrake would be able to catch everything. Lets face it, noone can catch everything. However, and you can correct me if I'm wrong here because I don't believe this exists yet, maybe an email address for QA to addresss issues on released products. Not just for bugs, but for other reliability and cosmetic issues to help enhance Mandrake's distributions. That is just off the top of my head and probably there is a better way to do this, but I would be more than willing to help. Thanks for your patience and for reading my email all the way through. SA >Glad to see you have cooled down. Now shall we ponder a constructive >method of >improving the quality assurance? I don't think any classical inspection >scheme >is really much more than a broken system to begin with, and probably >inapplicable given the open shop environment we deal with. Would you be >willing to be part of a team to propose a method of building in better >quality >(not fixing what's broke but building it right the first time) if we users >could get someone at Mandrakesoft to agree to test the resulting proposed >system? > >Civileme > > __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up
Thank you for reading the whole message and not being overly sensitive. The reason I wrote such a stinging message in the first place was due to the lack of response to the problems by people that would rather be led around on their favorite distributions corporate change and could not see no wrong in the distribution. Thank you for looking past this prejudice and trying to solve the real issue. I agree with you that 7.0 + is not as backwards compatible. I understand what you are saying about older hardware. But, I do believe the original idea of Linux was so that it worked on all of these old pieces of hardware. Ive run Win98 on the same two computers and they work but they sure do bog down. But when I run Linux, I can do things on these old computers that just wouldn't be possible under Win98 because of speed. I thought the whole reason for switching to Linux was to get away from Winbloze. Now, by your own argument, it sounds like Mandrake wishes to make their distribution more like windo$e. No backward compatability. Have you tried Win2000 yet? This is a major problem with Win2000. And Win200 runs faster on my computers than Win98. Can you believe that? I don't like Windoze. I love working with Linux. I'd hate to see people lose focus of the Linux objective just to make a profit. Thank you for your patience. SA >From: Wolfgang Bornath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [expert] Formerly: Mandrake 7.02 is messed up >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:32:18 +0100 > >On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 13:13 -0600, Sean Armstrong wrote: > > Now that I've had some time to cool down, let me start by apologizing to > > those diehard Mandrake people that couldn't read past the Subject before > > getting offended and defensive of their distribution. > >I read past the subject and I even read this mail till the end. >And I understand quite well what you mean. I do get the point >you're making. > >I cannot say anything about the mouse-problem or other problems. > >Just about the CD issue. You made it very clear yourself in this >mail. > >1. You have old hardware and new hardware. > >2. You have an "old" Mandrake version and a new version. > >See the picture? > >Mandrake's distribution aims at the hardware of today *without* >carrying all the back-compatibility with it. The optimization >for 586 cpus makes that very clear. > >So my questions are: >1. >Why do you want to run a distribution of that kind on hardware >which is not fit for it? >2. >Why do you have to upgrade the older machine at all? >A know someone using RedHat 5.2 with some upgraded packages. It >suits his hardware and his purposes. >In our office we have a 486SX running DOS 6.2 and Win 3.1 for >testing and for some cardgames and for some newbies who never >saw a computer at all. >We'd never get the idea to install Win95/98 on this box. > >IMHO there are really stable distributions with rocksolid >conventional setup for hardware which is not up to a bleeding >edge distribution. Mandrake 7.0 never wanted to be and never >said to be such a backwards-compatible distribution. > >It all comes down to one of Linux' main principles: >For every purpose and every liking and every limit there is a >way to go under Linux. You just have to choose what you and your >hardware want and are able to do. > >So, maybe I'm a diehard Mandrake disciple. But maybe I just see >the meaning of an old proverb (popular in Germany): Each pot has >a matching lid. There is no lid matching all the pots. > >I think this has nothing to do with marketing or "World >Domination Now!". Mandrake made the aim of Air clear. Like >Coral's CEO Mr. Coupland did when he stated that they want to >make Corel Linux as similar to Windows as possible, so not to >offend possible convertites with something too alien to them. > >That's another attitude. SuSE has different aims and Debian is >another story altogether. > >Get the picture? > >wobo >-- >GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE >For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request >--- >ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [expert] OT List evolving
PJ, Well Spoken! Best, Matt >From: "John Connell"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Pj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [expert] OT List evolving >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:47:45 +500 > > >I've been on this list long enough to watch the use level of users as >well > >as replies change in the last few months. It is to this issue I want to > >comment. > > > >The reason this list is so very successful is simple: Respect. Most of >the > > >old Linux heads.like Civileme and Ramon and Chamouel have been at this >for > > >a number of years. They have real jobs and a real life. They have >nothing > > >to prove and do not need, or have, to respond to questions they've >answered > > >fifty times previously, yet they do and graciously every day since I've >been > > >on the list. > > > >You say you are frustrated: Answers don't come fast enough; bugs aren't > >fixed instantly; Java causes Netscape to crash; the install doesn't go >well > > >and devices don't work. I wish I had your problems. > > > >I'm a newbie too and I am just as determined to escape winblows as anyone > >else on this list, but my problem is just a little different. An illness > >left me with a memory loss that is less than enviable. So while some of >you > > >are unhappy with the answers you get I'm delighted when I can remember >what > > >linuxconf does. When I am actually able to get into root and perform a > >simple function I am so happy I want to tell the world. > > > >Respect is the reason I've gotten this far. The folks who have helped me > >were just as considerate to me as they have been to you. They took the >time > > >to write careful explanations that I could grasp and put into action; and > >for that I will always be greatful. > > > >I urge all of us to temper our frustrations with kindness to each other, >for > > >if we do not we will have just one more list that no one can learn from >and > > >the old heads will not come to our rescue. You may not need me but I >need > > >you. Linux is not easy to learn under optimum condtions without a strong > >computing background. Let's be patient with our shortcomings and with >each > > >other. > > > >To those who disagree I ask you to flame me privately. Mandrake rocks and >so > > >does this list. I'm willing to work to keep it this way. Please join me. > > > >Pj > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > >PJ, > >Right On > >You GO girl!!! > >John >-- >http://www.provide.net __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [expert] Re: OT [games]
PJ, depending on the distro you use they should come standard install. I have chess, and about 25 other games installed on my machine by defauilt. Wayne n Thu, 23 Mar 2000, you wrote: > I know this is way off topic but I wonder if there is a Linux version of > bridge, cribbage and chess? I haven't been able to locate them. > > Thanks, > > Pj > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** ** Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Humanities and Social Sciences Bond University Gold Coast ** **
Re: [expert] SCSI Problems
> Taylor James T NPRI wrote: > > > > I 'm experiencing difficulty in getting my new compiled kernel to boot. I > > have a dual PIII system running an Adaptec SCSI bus. The SMP Kernel that > > came with Mandrake Version 6.1 (the version I'm using) works fine. The > > problem arrises when I try to load my newly compiled kernel. It gets > > through all the dection of multiple processors, finds the zip drive, and > > when it goes to mount the root partition it fails. I know there is > > something simple that I'm missing but just can't see it. I'm use to > > recompiling kernels on IDE Systems not SCSI. > > > > Can someone help? Hey! If you need the Adaptec to boot your root partition you can't compile it as a module. So compile the aic7xxx into your new kernel and everything will be fine... I hope ;-) Helmut
Re: [expert] Re: OT [games]
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, you wrote: > I know this is way off topic but I wonder if there is a Linux version of > bridge, cribbage and chess? I haven't been able to locate them. > there is at least one chess game, use xboard and gnuchess. as for cribbage and bridge, check http://www.happypenguin.org and look there -- Alex (Go easy on me, I'm a COBOL programmer in real life)
Re: [expert] Re: OT [games]
Pj: > I know this is way off topic but I wonder if there is a Linux version of > bridge, cribbage and chess? I haven't been able to locate them. Bridge is (i know something about that because my professor is an engaged bridge player) not much of a computer game; as far as I know there is only a small number of professional grade software products for the DOS/Windows platform. Cribbage I can't tell you anything about. Chess: did you see the GnuChess+Xboard combo? It comes free with (at least Mandrake 7.0) most Linux distros. If you are ambitious, you can relpace gnuchess by crafty (a chess program which is said to be a bit stronger than gnuchess), Hope this helps, jürgen -- Hans-Juergen Godau email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FB5 -- Wirtschaftsinformatik der Produktionsunternehmen Uni GH Essen
Re: [expert] secure network connection over the Internet
Harald Wolf: > i plan to install a secure IP-Connection to my companys local network > over the Internet. > just like: > company<--->privider<-internet->myProvider<->my box > and i want to use WinNT/95/2000 or linux. what kind of connection? HTTP / TELNET / FTP or what do you want? > > is there a way or produkt to realize this ?? if possible with the > publik key solution ?? > what do i need ?? At first i would recommend a look at SSH (there is a commercal solution for windows and Free Unix/Linux versions; you could even have a Win 9x/NT client and a Linux server...) on the other hand there is (open)SSL for http/Netscape/Apache... hope this helps, jürgen -- Hans-Juergen Godau email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Raum: R09 R03 H18 fon: +49-201 183-4062 fax: +49-2011834067 FB5 -- Wirtschaftsinformatik der Produktionsunternehmen Prof. Dr. Heimo H. Adelsberger Uni GH Essen
RE: [expert] Re: OT [games]
For the chess game, you have to look for xboard. > -Original Message- > From: Pj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 23 March 2000 09:46 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [expert] Re: OT [games] > > > I know this is way off topic but I wonder if there is a Linux > version of > bridge, cribbage and chess? I haven't been able to locate them. > > Thanks, > > Pj > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
[expert] Re: OT [games]
I know this is way off topic but I wonder if there is a Linux version of bridge, cribbage and chess? I haven't been able to locate them. Thanks, Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
