Re: [expert] RealPlayer8 failes

2001-03-29 Thread Benjamin Sher

Dear Erik:

You can get RealPlayer 8 from RealPlayer home page at
http://www.real.com by selecting the free RealPlayer 8 Basic and then
choosing under OS "Unix". This will take you directly to the Unix
Community Supported RealPlayer page at:

http://huxley.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html?src=rpbform

You have a choice of downloading two files for Linux: a RealPlayer8.rpm
and the other file, which is a RealPlayer8.bin file. Due to the problem
with "a different architecture", the rpm file will NOT install. It has
been strongly advised by our gurus NOT to try to install it either by
forcing it (--force) or by using the --ignorearch option. INSTEAD, do
what I just did, thanks to a message from Wolfgang and from Tom
Brinkman:


First uninstall RealPlayer 7 by typing the command as root:

#rpm -e RealPlayer

Now install the RealPlayer8.bin file (around 5.8 meg) as ROOT. Then, as
root, continue your installation and install the plugins and mimetypes.
This is part of the installation as root. Just follow instructions until
you have installed it fully as root. Then, as USER, go to the directory
it has installed itself in, namely,

/usr/local/RealPlayer8  

and type:

$/usr/local/RealPlayer8>sh mimetypes.sh 

and 

$/usr/local/RealPlayer8>sh plugins.sh

This will give you the plugins and mimetypes as user.

Now, all that's left is to make it more convenient to launch RealPlayer8
as a desktop icon.

Create the icon, then in Properties, Execute type:

kstart /usr/local/RealPlayer8/./realplay

If you don't add "kstart" you won't be able to launch RealPlayer
automatically from the icon.

So, add the "kstart ..." and it's done. That's it.

I am going to send this to the Newbie list. Hopefully, this will help
other newbies.

Thanks again.

Benjamin




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Re: [expert] Lost sight of point

2001-03-29 Thread Erik Günther

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, David Rankin wrote:


Okej so LM8 will probobly be for i586. Thats fine for me. But how do I
recompile the hole distro to be i686 just for me. I mean if I start to
recompile LM8.src on LM8.i586 the hole distro will bi based on a i586
glibc and a i586 kernel... or do I miss something?

And the next problem how do I recompile the hole distro? rpm --rebuild
*.src.rpm ?


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Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread David Rankin

"Jose M. Sanchez" wrote:

> To begin with, this is not a Mandrake issue, it's a Linux issue.
>
> The K6 can execute i686 code, just not optimally for the processor.
>
> With the Kernel it's another matter altogether...
>
> The MTRR register differences PREVENTs the i686 compiled kernel to operate
> on a K6 afaik.
>
> When I tried it I got an kernel which would not fully init...
>
> That plus the byte alignment optimzations for the 686, make the i586 distro
> better for the K6 in terms of speed and compatibility.
>
> It's not a question of making the i686 distro, "properly" identify the k6...
>
> LINUX (as directed by Linus) "properly" identifies the K6 characteristics
> and classifies it as a i585 for optimal operation...
>
> There was quite an extensive thread about this some time ago in the kernel
> forums...
>
> It's also doubtful that MANDRAKE will alienate it's prospective clients.
>
> I wouldn't doubt that what they'll resort to doing is producing a common
> distro that installs a i586 kernel with i686 code RPM's... albeit with a
> slight loss of performance over i586 optimizations or a seperate i586
> distro, as they've done for the i486.
>
> Given the perponderance of AMD's though, I'll bet they will choose the
> former as it makes good marketing sense...
>
> It would be pretty easy to implement in an installer... they already do this
> for SMP installations anyway...
>
> -JMS
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Well put Jose! I hope we see something like this come from Linus. Looking down
the "time horizon", this issue will probably dissapear in 8 to 12 months, but in
the interim, it just makes good business sense not to raise potential obstacles
to the further acceptance of Linux.

--
David Rankin
Nacogdoches, Texas






Re: [expert] RealPlayer8 failes

2001-03-29 Thread Erik Günther

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Larry Marshall wrote:

> Benjamin Sher wrote:
>
> > Just for the record: RealPlayer 8.0-1 rpm will NOT install. No big deal.
> > I'll keep using Real7.
>
Of topic but where can I get hold of RealPlayer 8?


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RE: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Jose M. Sanchez



Whenever possible this is exactly what I do.

Since the recompilation assures compatibility with existing libraries the
resulting RPM's are normally far more stable than pre-compiled ones...

Yes you've isolated the point of contention...

Often the "unsupported" package releases are done by people who are hacking
together changes for their own systems...

The source RPM's are not always provided and they do not also provide RPM's
for other releases.

This is unforunate.

-JMS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Digital Wokan
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)


The biggest contributor to this problem are those submitting i686
packages to the "unsupported" packages.  I once enjoyed updating to the
versions of programs ahead of Mandrake's official support of a package.
Now, I'm stuck with things like Mozilla 0.7 because the person who built
and submitted the Mozilla 0.8 package didn't read up on how to make an
i586 binary package.

I'm beginning to think my only hope for staying up to date is to
download .src.rpm's only and use those for updating my system.





Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Digital Wokan

The biggest contributor to this problem are those submitting i686
packages to the "unsupported" packages.  I once enjoyed updating to the
versions of programs ahead of Mandrake's official support of a package. 
Now, I'm stuck with things like Mozilla 0.7 because the person who built
and submitted the Mozilla 0.8 package didn't read up on how to make an
i586 binary package.

I'm beginning to think my only hope for staying up to date is to
download .src.rpm's only and use those for updating my system.

Ken Thompson wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday 28 March 2001 06:39 pm, you wrote:
> > We've lost sight of one of my original points in similar discussions.
> > If Mandrake is a Pentium optimized distro and NOT a P2+ optimized
> > distro, then i686 RPM's HAVE NO PLACE in the distro.  Period.  They just
> > shouldn't be there.  Never mind us annoyed K6-2 users.  What about the
> > kid on his dad's old K5 or Pentium 166 who can't install something
> > because it's i686 compiled?
> 
> Exactly my point in my earlier post..
> I hate to think I have to go back to my P-II 400 in order to run certain
> programs, it's much slower than my K6-2 450 (799 bogomips as compaired with
> 901 bogomips)..
> Bogomips may not be a valid measurement of speed, but the 450 does run stuff
> much faster using comparable equipment (RAM Hdd etc).
> I think that if the rpm's are going to be compiled for i686, they should have
> some backward compatibility factored in.
> 
> --
> Ken Thompson
> Electrocom Computer Services
> Payette, Idaho 83661
> (208) 642-11701
> Web: http://www.nwaa.com
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Guerilla Linux Warrior




[expert] XFree86-libs-4.0.3-2mdk.i586.rpm missing a file

2001-03-29 Thread Digital Wokan

libXft.so.1 is missing from the subject RPM and is required for updating
several related packages such as QT 2.2.3.
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Guerilla Linux Warrior




RE: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Jose M. Sanchez

To begin with, this is not a Mandrake issue, it's a Linux issue.

The K6 can execute i686 code, just not optimally for the processor.

With the Kernel it's another matter altogether...

The MTRR register differences PREVENTs the i686 compiled kernel to operate
on a K6 afaik.

When I tried it I got an kernel which would not fully init...

That plus the byte alignment optimzations for the 686, make the i586 distro
better for the K6 in terms of speed and compatibility.

It's not a question of making the i686 distro, "properly" identify the k6...

LINUX (as directed by Linus) "properly" identifies the K6 characteristics
and classifies it as a i585 for optimal operation...

There was quite an extensive thread about this some time ago in the kernel
forums...

It's also doubtful that MANDRAKE will alienate it's prospective clients.

I wouldn't doubt that what they'll resort to doing is producing a common
distro that installs a i586 kernel with i686 code RPM's... albeit with a
slight loss of performance over i586 optimizations or a seperate i586
distro, as they've done for the i486.

Given the perponderance of AMD's though, I'll bet they will choose the
former as it makes good marketing sense...

It would be pretty easy to implement in an installer... they already do this
for SMP installations anyway...

-JMS
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-Original Message-
From: David Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mandrake
Subject: Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)


"Jose M. Sanchez" wrote:

> Eh, except 7.2 installs just fine on a P-90 and K5.
>
> It's only the 486 and 386's who are left out.
>
> The i586 vs i686 worries are somewhat ungrounded.
>
> The i586 code works best with the K6, etc.
>

Jose, what will happen when the next full release of Mandrake appears?
Will it install without complaint on the millions of K6-2s out there?
Will there be 2 standard new releases, LM 8.x_i686 and LM8.x_i586? Will
continued support of the K6-2 just be dropped? -- OR -- Will the core of
the i686 install be made the properly recognize the K6-2. --OR-- Is
there really a bit offset discrepancy that prevents the K6-2 from truly
being included in the i686 frenzy?

The foregoing is "the point" and it is a "worry" to a lot of people that
rests on "solid" ground.

--
David Rankin
Nacogdoches, Texas






Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread David Rankin

"Jose M. Sanchez" wrote:

> Eh, except 7.2 installs just fine on a P-90 and K5.
>
> It's only the 486 and 386's who are left out.
>
> The i586 vs i686 worries are somewhat ungrounded.
>
> The i586 code works best with the K6, etc.
>

Jose, what will happen when the next full release of Mandrake appears?
Will it install without complaint on the millions of K6-2s out there?
Will there be 2 standard new releases, LM 8.x_i686 and LM8.x_i586? Will
continued support of the K6-2 just be dropped? -- OR -- Will the core of
the i686 install be made the properly recognize the K6-2. --OR-- Is
there really a bit offset discrepancy that prevents the K6-2 from truly
being included in the i686 frenzy?

The foregoing is "the point" and it is a "worry" to a lot of people that
rests on "solid" ground.

--
David Rankin
Nacogdoches, Texas






Re: [expert] Installing RealPlayer8 .bin -- footnote

2001-03-29 Thread daddy

Benjamin Sher wrote:
> 
> Dear friends:
> 
> As I mentioned, before installing the RealPlayer 8.bin file, I would
> like to uninstall my RealPlayer7 rpm. I forgot to mention the name of
> the file:
> 
> rp7_linux20_libc6_i386_cs1.rpm*
> 
> And yes, I have also tried the following rpm -e combinations:
> 
> rpm -e rp7
> 
> rpm -e rp7_linux
> 
> rpm -e rp7_linux20
> 
> Etc.
> 
> None has worked. How do I UNinstall the RealPlayer7 rpm, please?
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> Benjamin
> --
> Sher's Russian Web
> http://www.websher.net
> Benjamin and Anna Sher
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]


First, you have to find the rpm. I recommend doing this command first:

rpm -qa | grep Real

That should bring up RealPlayer-[whatever the rest]

and then type:

rpm -ev RealPlayer

(I add "v" as I like to "see" what is going on.)
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[expert] Running Real8.bin from icon -- Complete success!

2001-03-29 Thread Benjamin Sher

Dear S:

Right on target! Problem solved!!

Just added kstart to Properties, Execute of RealPlayer icon and, bingo,
launches instantly like magic:

kstart /usr/local/RealPlayer8/./realplay

Benjamin
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Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Ken Thompson

On Wednesday 28 March 2001 06:39 pm, you wrote:
> We've lost sight of one of my original points in similar discussions.
> If Mandrake is a Pentium optimized distro and NOT a P2+ optimized
> distro, then i686 RPM's HAVE NO PLACE in the distro.  Period.  They just
> shouldn't be there.  Never mind us annoyed K6-2 users.  What about the
> kid on his dad's old K5 or Pentium 166 who can't install something
> because it's i686 compiled?

Exactly my point in my earlier post..
I hate to think I have to go back to my P-II 400 in order to run certain 
programs, it's much slower than my K6-2 450 (799 bogomips as compaired with 
901 bogomips)..
Bogomips may not be a valid measurement of speed, but the 450 does run stuff 
much faster using comparable equipment (RAM Hdd etc).
I think that if the rpm's are going to be compiled for i686, they should have 
some backward compatibility factored in. 

-- 
Ken Thompson
Electrocom Computer Services
Payette, Idaho 83661
(208) 642-11701
Web: http://www.nwaa.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[expert] perl-Mysql-1.22_15-3.1mdk.i586.rpm?

2001-03-29 Thread Ed Weinberg

I am trying to install all the rpms in the updates for Mysql.

All went in fine except for perl-Mysql-1.22_15-3.1mdk.i586.rpm.
When I issue the command I get...
bash-2.04# rpm -ivh perl-Mysql-1.22_15-3.1mdk.i586.rpm
error: failed dependencies:
  perl-ExtUtils-PerlPP is needed by perl-Mysql-1.22_15-3.1mdk

Unless I missed something, perl-ExtUtils-PerlPP was neither in the
original install disk or the mirror I downloaded the updates from.

Anyone know where to get it from?  I suspect that if I downloaded the
source and compiled it myself I would still get the dependency error.

  --  Ed




RE: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!

2001-03-29 Thread Jose M. Sanchez


This is normal.

As far as Linux is concerned your K6's MTRR registers conform to the i586
specs, not i686 specs...

If you set your kernel to use i686 code you'll get a bunch of i686 MTRR
errors during bootup.

-JMS
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dennis Robertson
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!


On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:02:09PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02 +, Larry Marshall wrote:
> >
> > > It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on
until
> > > the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors.
> >
> > Mandrake doesn't seem to know that :-)  I have the same problem Ken
> > has and I'm running an AMD K6-2 500.
>
> Same here: AMD K6-2 400 being recognized by MDK 7.2 as i586
>
> wobo
My K6-3 450 is recognised by LM7.2 as i586 also.
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Re: [expert] Installing Real8.bin -- Success but...

2001-03-29 Thread s

I'm sure you're familiar with the permissions thing, but in the execute 
path/line put:  kstart /dir/of /where/your/exe/is 

There's a tutorial at real's site on putting it in netscapes helper 
applications.  I can't remember the procedure myself, but that's where I 
found it.
-s

On Thursday 29 March 2001 09:17 pm, you wrote:
> Dear friends:
>
> First, my thanks to everyone who wrote in with their suggestions and
> advice.
>
> One last stickler:
>
> I just installed RealPlayer8.bin as instructed by Tom Brinkman.
> Installation was a complete success EXCEPT...
>
> 1) First, in Netscape under plugins, I see the RealPlayer plugin .rpm
> extension recognized ("Yes"). However, it clearly says: RealPlayer 7
> plugin, NOT RealPlayer 8 plugin. Am I missing something here?
>
> 2) More importantly, RealPlayer8 launches perfectly from the console:
>
> $usr/local/RealPlayer8/
> [sher@sher07@sherlantz sher]$ cd /usr/local/RealPlayer8
> [sher@sher07@sherlantz RealPlayer8]$ ls
> Codecs/  Mime.types   firstrun.rm  realplay* rp7mini.xpm
> Common/  Plugins/ mime.kdelnk  realplay.desktop  rpnp.so*
> Help/README   mimeinstall.sh*  rp7.xpm
> LICENSE  app.kdelnk   pluginstall.sh*  rp7doc.png
> Mailcap  audiosig.rm  raclass.zip  rp7doc.xpm
> [sher@sher07@sherlantz RealPlayer8]$ ./realplay
>
> NO PROBLEMS. However...
>
> If you try to launch it as an icon, you have to launch it by checking
> "Run in terminal" under Properties. Execute or else it won't run. Well,
> after it launches this awkward way, I just minimize the terminal. But is
> there any way to run it directly from the icon without having to resort
> to this workaround?
>
> Still, I am pleased. Would appreciate the clarification, though.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Benjamin




RE: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Jose M. Sanchez

Eh, except 7.2 installs just fine on a P-90 and K5.

It's only the 486 and 386's who are left out.

The i586 vs i686 worries are somewhat ungrounded.

The i586 code works best with the K6, etc.

-JMS


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chubby Vic
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)


HEAR!! HEAR!!!

Well spoken!





RE: [expert] Kudzu - Unwanted Intervention

2001-03-29 Thread Jose M. Sanchez

This happens because as far as the computer is concerned your printer has
gone offline during bootup.

Every hear that "burp" from the printer when you reboot?

You might want to be sure that:

A) You have a printer cable that brings out ALL of the pins to the printer,
many ground the "useless" lines... modern printers do take advantage of the
extra lines...

B) You have your printer set to EPP not ECP or SPP in the bios... 

Normally the combination will fix this.

-JMS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>  -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:29 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [expert] Kudzu - Unwanted Intervention
> 
> Can anyone suggest why, when I am booting up, kudzu reprots that my
> printer has been removed from the system?  It's where it has always been
> and it is switched on.  The installer was smart enough to recognise it
> nevertheless I have to go through this farce every time (once/twice a
> week) I reboot.
> 
> regards
> 
> Daryl Johnson
> Proplan Associates
> 
> 

 winmail.dat


[expert] Installing Real8.bin -- Success but...

2001-03-29 Thread Benjamin Sher

Dear friends:

First, my thanks to everyone who wrote in with their suggestions and
advice.

One last stickler:

I just installed RealPlayer8.bin as instructed by Tom Brinkman.
Installation was a complete success EXCEPT...

1) First, in Netscape under plugins, I see the RealPlayer plugin .rpm
extension recognized ("Yes"). However, it clearly says: RealPlayer 7
plugin, NOT RealPlayer 8 plugin. Am I missing something here?

2) More importantly, RealPlayer8 launches perfectly from the console:

$usr/local/RealPlayer8/
[sher@sher07@sherlantz sher]$ cd /usr/local/RealPlayer8
[sher@sher07@sherlantz RealPlayer8]$ ls
Codecs/  Mime.types   firstrun.rm  realplay* rp7mini.xpm
Common/  Plugins/ mime.kdelnk  realplay.desktop  rpnp.so*
Help/README   mimeinstall.sh*  rp7.xpm
LICENSE  app.kdelnk   pluginstall.sh*  rp7doc.png
Mailcap  audiosig.rm  raclass.zip  rp7doc.xpm
[sher@sher07@sherlantz RealPlayer8]$ ./realplay 

NO PROBLEMS. However...

If you try to launch it as an icon, you have to launch it by checking
"Run in terminal" under Properties. Execute or else it won't run. Well,
after it launches this awkward way, I just minimize the terminal. But is
there any way to run it directly from the icon without having to resort
to this workaround?

Still, I am pleased. Would appreciate the clarification, though.

Thank you all.

Benjamin

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Benjamin and Anna Sher
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[expert] rescue

2001-03-29 Thread Ed Weinberg

I installed Mandrake 7.2 for the first time.  I am trying to get
"rescue" to work.   I can't get it to see my SCSI drives with
reiserfs.  The good news is that I do not need "rescue" now, but I do
need to learn how to use it!

When the machine is booted normally it needs the aic7xxx module to see
the scsi drive.  I have tried:
modprobe aic7xxx

lsmod tells me that the reiserfs, aic7xxx, and scsi_mod are loaded.
Reiserfs is unused.
scsi_mod used by aic7xxx
aic7xxx unused

When I give the command:
   mount -t reiserfs /dev/sda1 /mnt
I get the "-- help screen" and the  message:
   mount: The kernel does not recognize /dev/sda1 as a block device.  
(maybe `insmod driver')
   
I also have tried starting with the command:
   rescue scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx

I have also tried starting in "expert" mode then switching to the
shell.

Anyone know how to see these drives?  If I was doing this on a damaged
machine I would think it was dead!

Thanks.

  --  Ed




Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Chubby Vic

HEAR!! HEAR!!!

Well spoken!

On Wednesday 28 March 2001 07:39 pm,  so spoke Digital Wokan:
> We've lost sight of one of my original points in similar discussions.
> If Mandrake is a Pentium optimized distro and NOT a P2+ optimized
> distro, then i686 RPM's HAVE NO PLACE in the distro.  Period.  They just
> shouldn't be there.  Never mind us annoyed K6-2 users.  What about the
> kid on his dad's old K5 or Pentium 166 who can't install something
> because it's i686 compiled?
>
> "Jose M. Sanchez" wrote:
> > Eh, no.
> > Have you looked at the kernel code?
> > Have you tried recompiling the kernel? (Did you read the HELP about this
> > issue?)
> > Linux utilizes the mtrr registers which differ between the i686 and the
> > K6. The K6 and the i586 are a correct match according to the kernel mtrr
> > handler.
> > If you want optimal speed with your K6 you are better off using the i586
> > optimizations, otherwise the byte alignments for the i686 will also come
> > into play... etc.
> > -JMS
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Rankin
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:49 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
> >
> > Guys, this is a HUGE issue! There are millions of AMD K6-2s out
> > there -- a
> > large user base. I have one myself. If a new Mandrake i686 release
> > doesn't
> > properly recognize the architecture of these machines as i686 there will
> > be a
> > HUGE void in the potential user base for the new release. Not good for
> > Mandrake.




[expert] Mystery of RealPlayer7rpm Uninstall -- Solved!

2001-03-29 Thread Benjamin Sher

Dear Claudio:

You get the credit:

It's rpm -e RealPlayer

I had tried rpm -e RealPlay but not RealPlayer.

Thanks a million. Will now install Real8.

Benjamin
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Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net
Benjamin and Anna Sher
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[expert] Mystery of RealPlayer7rpm Uninstall -- footnote

2001-03-29 Thread Benjamin Sher

Dear Claudio and friends:

rpm -qa |grep real doesn't yield anything either. See below:

[sher@sher07@sherlantz sher]$ rpm -qa |grep real
[sher@sher07@sherlantz sher]$ su
Password:
[root@sher07@sherlantz sher]# rpm -qa |grep real
[root@sher07@sherlantz sher]#   

Thank you so much.

Benjamin

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RE: [expert] Mystery of RealPlayer7rpm Uninstall

2001-03-29 Thread Claudio

You should maybe try with 'RealPlayer' or 'realplay'

This is the output I get when searching through the www.rpmfind.net atchive:

Package Summary Distribution Download
RealPlayer-7.0-2-src.html Real Networks Real Player Caldera Technology
Preview RealPlayer-7.0-2-src.rpm
RealPlayer-7.0-2-i386.html Real Networks Real Player Caldera Technology
Preview RealPlayer-7.0-2-i386.rpm

realplay-nplugin-7.0-1-i386.html RealPlayer Netscape plugin SourceForge
realplay-nplugin-7.0-1-i386.rpm
realplay-nplugin-7.0-1-i686.html RealPlayer Netscape plugin SourceForge
realplay-nplugin-7.0-1-i686.rpm

realplay-7.0-1-i386.html RealPlayer SourceForge realplay-7.0-1-i386.rpm
realplay-7.0-1-i686.html RealPlayer SourceForge realplay-7.0-1-i686.rpm
realplay-7.0-1-src.html RealPlayer SourceForge realplay-7.0-1-src.rpm


Maybe an other solution is something like this:

$ su
# rpm -qa > file

then you pick you favorite editor and open the file you just made and
manually look for the right entry.


Greets,

Claudio


> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Benjamin
> Sher
> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 maart 2001 4:30
> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Onderwerp: [expert] Mystery of RealPlayer7rpm Uninstall
>
>
> Dear Claudio and friends:
>
> Thanks so much for your kind advice. Here are the results or rather
> non-results. Sounds like RealPlayer7 has disappeared into the Bermuda
> Triangle even while continuing to play as perfectly as always.
>
> [root@sher07@sherlantz sher]# rpm -qa |grep rp7
> [root@sher07@sherlantz sher]# rpm -qa |grep rp
> rpm-3.0.5-27mdk
> rpmtools-1.2-11mdk
> urpmi-1.3-10mdk
> grpmi-7.2-17mdk
> rpm-python-3.0.5-27mdk
> rpm-devel-3.0.5-27mdk
> gurpmi-0.7-10mdk
> arpwatch-2.1a6-12mdk
> rp-pppoe-2.5-2.2mdk
> xmorph-2000.03.03-6mdk
> rpmtools-compat-1.2-11mdk
> rpm-build-3.0.5-27mdk
> rpmtools-devel-1.2-11mdk
> gnorpm-0.95.1-1mdk
> rpmlint-0.24-1mdk
> rpmdrake-1.1-15mdk
> rpm-rebuilder-0.1-1mdk
> [root@sher07@sherlantz sher]# exit
> exit
> [sher@sher07@sherlantz sher]$ rpm -qa |grep rp
> rpm-3.0.5-27mdk
> rpmtools-1.2-11mdk
> urpmi-1.3-10mdk
> grpmi-7.2-17mdk
> rpm-python-3.0.5-27mdk
> rpm-devel-3.0.5-27mdk
> gurpmi-0.7-10mdk
> arpwatch-2.1a6-12mdk
> rp-pppoe-2.5-2.2mdk
> xmorph-2000.03.03-6mdk
> rpmtools-compat-1.2-11mdk
> rpm-build-3.0.5-27mdk
> rpmtools-devel-1.2-11mdk
> gnorpm-0.95.1-1mdk
> rpmlint-0.24-1mdk
> rpmdrake-1.1-15mdk
> rpm-rebuilder-0.1-1mdk
> [sher@sher07@sherlantz sher]$ rpm -qa |grep rp7
> [sher@sher07@sherlantz
> sher]$
>
> Do any of you still use RealPlayer7 (rpm)? If so, do you recall what the
> uninstall name was?
>
> Thank you so much.
>
> Benjamin
>
> --
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> http://www.websher.net
> Benjamin and Anna Sher
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>





[expert] Mystery of RealPlayer7rpm Uninstall

2001-03-29 Thread Benjamin Sher

Dear Claudio and friends:

Thanks so much for your kind advice. Here are the results or rather
non-results. Sounds like RealPlayer7 has disappeared into the Bermuda
Triangle even while continuing to play as perfectly as always. 

[root@sher07@sherlantz sher]# rpm -qa |grep rp7
[root@sher07@sherlantz sher]# rpm -qa |grep rp
rpm-3.0.5-27mdk
rpmtools-1.2-11mdk
urpmi-1.3-10mdk
grpmi-7.2-17mdk
rpm-python-3.0.5-27mdk
rpm-devel-3.0.5-27mdk
gurpmi-0.7-10mdk
arpwatch-2.1a6-12mdk
rp-pppoe-2.5-2.2mdk
xmorph-2000.03.03-6mdk
rpmtools-compat-1.2-11mdk
rpm-build-3.0.5-27mdk
rpmtools-devel-1.2-11mdk
gnorpm-0.95.1-1mdk
rpmlint-0.24-1mdk
rpmdrake-1.1-15mdk
rpm-rebuilder-0.1-1mdk
[root@sher07@sherlantz sher]# exit
exit
[sher@sher07@sherlantz sher]$ rpm -qa |grep rp
rpm-3.0.5-27mdk
rpmtools-1.2-11mdk
urpmi-1.3-10mdk
grpmi-7.2-17mdk
rpm-python-3.0.5-27mdk
rpm-devel-3.0.5-27mdk
gurpmi-0.7-10mdk
arpwatch-2.1a6-12mdk
rp-pppoe-2.5-2.2mdk
xmorph-2000.03.03-6mdk
rpmtools-compat-1.2-11mdk
rpm-build-3.0.5-27mdk
rpmtools-devel-1.2-11mdk
gnorpm-0.95.1-1mdk
rpmlint-0.24-1mdk
rpmdrake-1.1-15mdk
rpm-rebuilder-0.1-1mdk
[sher@sher07@sherlantz sher]$ rpm -qa |grep rp7
[sher@sher07@sherlantz
sher]$   

Do any of you still use RealPlayer7 (rpm)? If so, do you recall what the
uninstall name was?

Thank you so much.

Benjamin

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RE: [expert] Installing RealPlayer8 .bin -- footnote

2001-03-29 Thread Claudio

First you should chech the exact name of the file:

$ su
# rpm -qa |grep rp7
(or a bit of the file name you think it's right like 'rpm -qa |grep real)
As output you'll get the exact name of the file.
Then:
# rpm -ev exactname
(of course exactname is the name of the file)

Greets,

C.


> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Benjamin
> Sher
> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 maart 2001 3:14
> Aan: Expert
> Onderwerp: [expert] Installing RealPlayer8 .bin -- footnote
> 
> 
> Dear friends:
> 
> As I mentioned, before installing the RealPlayer 8.bin file, I would
> like to uninstall my RealPlayer7 rpm. I forgot to mention the name of
> the file:
> 
> rp7_linux20_libc6_i386_cs1.rpm*
> 
> And yes, I have also tried the following rpm -e combinations:
> 
> rpm -e rp7
> 
> rpm -e rp7_linux
> 
> rpm -e rp7_linux20
> 
> Etc.
> 
> None has worked. How do I UNinstall the RealPlayer7 rpm, please?
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> Benjamin
> -- 

 




Re: [expert] Mandrake 7.2 and SB Live!

2001-03-29 Thread David E.Fox

On Wednesday 21 March 2001 07:17, you wrote:
> I have a Mandrake 7.2 system with a SB Live! card. The sound works fine
> for about an hour and then suddenly mutes. What can I do to solve this??

Does it happen independently of what you use to play the sounds? Can you
un-mute it using the mixer or other methods?  I haven't noticed this with 
my system (also have an SB Live! but still just use analog speakers at the 
moment.)


(I used to experience this sometime back with an older version of Real Player 
on my previous system. It somehow was set to just stop after an hour's
worth of playing.)
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[expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Digital Wokan

We've lost sight of one of my original points in similar discussions. 
If Mandrake is a Pentium optimized distro and NOT a P2+ optimized
distro, then i686 RPM's HAVE NO PLACE in the distro.  Period.  They just
shouldn't be there.  Never mind us annoyed K6-2 users.  What about the
kid on his dad's old K5 or Pentium 166 who can't install something
because it's i686 compiled?

"Jose M. Sanchez" wrote:
> Eh, no.
> Have you looked at the kernel code?
> Have you tried recompiling the kernel? (Did you read the HELP about this
> issue?)
> Linux utilizes the mtrr registers which differ between the i686 and the K6.
> The K6 and the i586 are a correct match according to the kernel mtrr
> handler.
> If you want optimal speed with your K6 you are better off using the i586
> optimizations, otherwise the byte alignments for the i686 will also come
> into play... etc.
> -JMS
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Rankin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:49 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
> 
> Guys, this is a HUGE issue! There are millions of AMD K6-2s out
> there -- a
> large user base. I have one myself. If a new Mandrake i686 release
> doesn't
> properly recognize the architecture of these machines as i686 there will
> be a
> HUGE void in the potential user base for the new release. Not good for
> Mandrake.

-- 
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Guerilla Linux Warrior




Re: [expert] Installing RealPlayer8 .bin -- footnote

2001-03-29 Thread Bill Thompson

Benjamin Sher wrote:
> 
> Dear friends:
> 
> As I mentioned, before installing the RealPlayer 8.bin file, I would
> like to uninstall my RealPlayer7 rpm. I forgot to mention the name of
> the file:
> 
> rp7_linux20_libc6_i386_cs1.rpm*
> 
> And yes, I have also tried the following rpm -e combinations:
> 
> rpm -e rp7
> 
> rpm -e rp7_linux
> 
> rpm -e rp7_linux20
> 
> Etc.
> 
> None has worked. How do I UNinstall the RealPlayer7 rpm, please?
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> Benjamin
> --
> Sher's Russian Web
> http://www.websher.net
> Benjamin and Anna Sher
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  If you don't get help on the correct filename to use with 'rpm -e
',
  you might consider using the command-line rpm utility, purp, or the
  gui rpm utility, xrpm, in your rpm file management arsenal.

  Bill
  
-- 
the world was created by GIMP and VIM and we see it clearly with
Mozilla...




[expert] Athlon gcc?

2001-03-29 Thread David E . Fox

Having just been given (yeah, RIGHT!) :) an athlon 1ghz based system, I was
wondering about the state of Athlon-based optimizers for gcc on Linux. I did
find the Athlon Linux project's home page, and did manage to find patches 
(albeit old ones) for gcc 2.95.2. The build went reasonably well with the 
patch installed (only one reject in version.c), but when running the built 
version, the athlon flags are just not available.

gcc -v says it's getting the specs from i686-mandrake-linux and if I go into 
that directory, I see a spec file that does seem to list various Athlon 
machine types, so supposedly I should be able to use -mcpu=athlon. 
Unfortunately, gcc doesn't know what to do with this option.

I figure I must have missed a step somewhere. Help appreciated - or if not, 
does there exist a set of gcc RPMs with Athlon patches for gcc?



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[expert] Installing RealPlayer8 .bin -- footnote

2001-03-29 Thread Benjamin Sher

Dear friends:

As I mentioned, before installing the RealPlayer 8.bin file, I would
like to uninstall my RealPlayer7 rpm. I forgot to mention the name of
the file:

rp7_linux20_libc6_i386_cs1.rpm*

And yes, I have also tried the following rpm -e combinations:

rpm -e rp7

rpm -e rp7_linux

rpm -e rp7_linux20

Etc.

None has worked. How do I UNinstall the RealPlayer7 rpm, please?

Thanks so much.

Benjamin
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http://www.websher.net
Benjamin and Anna Sher
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Re: [expert] Postfix remote and local delivery

2001-03-29 Thread Mark Weaver

Lieven,

As a matter of fact there is. It's called Procmail. It's quite easy to
use, and there should be a fair amount of documentation on your system
already about it. However, if you can't find it I can help get you
going. 

As I said it should already be installed on your system, but if it's not
you can easily install the rpm package. the next thing you would have to
do is put together a .procmailrc file to do the filtering for you. I'm
assuming from your post that that is what the .qmail file was doing for
you.

Let me know what you want to do and if you decide to use procmail I'll
send you my .procmailrc file as an example that you can examine and work
off of until you become accustomed to procmail.

Mark

Lieven Van Acker wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I used to use qmail as mailer and am switching to postfix now. LOcal
> users used to manage .qmail files to use forwarding. One of the common
> uses are to deliver locally as well as remotely using a .qmail like
> this:
> 
> ~/.qmail:
> 
> ./Maildir/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Is there a simple way to achieve the same result using .forward files
> with postfix?
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Lieven Van Acker




Re: [expert] AnonFTP not accepting password.

2001-03-29 Thread Mark Weaver

Hi Rusty,

Praise be I figured out what the problem was. I had mistakenly place

ftp
ftpadmin
anonymous

in the ftpusers file and as soon as I removed those entries from that
file the whole thing started working beautifully.

thanks for all the help and the info. that stuff's a keeper.

Mark

Rusty Carruth wrote:
> 
> Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Rusty,
> >
> > As a matter of fact I used all the FTP packages specifically for
> > Mandrake on my machine at home. what's weird about it is that a few
> > weeks ago I had FTP working fine, then something happened and i had to
> > reload or the monitor bought wasn't going to work cause I was running
> > the wrong version of XFree86. thats another store though.
> >
> > anyway, when I did setup again all went smooth until I attempted to log
> > in as an anonymous user.
> 
> I just skimmed an article in Linux Journal about oftpd which may be even
> better.  Its a read-only (I think) ftp server that ONLY takes anon connections.
> I bet if you look on oh, shoot, I can find it really quick, here...
> its at freshmeat:
> 
> http://freshmeat.net/projects/oftpd/
> 
> >  something else that is a bit strange is that
> > ypbind isn't working correctly. If i'm not mistaken doesn't that have
> > something to do with DNS service and aren't they somehow related to FTP
> > services?
> 
> Perhaps.  If ftpd is configired to verify your @foo.com domain in your
> password (*), having name lookups fail could cause things to hose.
> 
> And, yes, ypbind is (can be) part of your name lookup sequence.  Probably
> a good idea to get that fixed and see whats still broken.
> 
> (* - can it do this???)
> 
> rc
> 
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[expert] Installing RealPlayer8.bin

2001-03-29 Thread Benjamin Sher

Dear Wolfgang and friends:

A little problem: I am going to try to install the RealPlayer8 .bin
file, which I have just downloaded. But how do I UNinstall my
RealPlayer7 RPM? I have tried all sorts of combinations:

rpm -e realplay

rpm -e RealPlayer

rpm -e RealPlayer7

None of this works. Very confusing. Each time I get a message telling me
that RealPlayer is not installed on my system. That's funny. I am
listening to the RealPlayer 7 rpm even as I write this.

Similarly, The RealPlayer7 directory is where it should be
/usr/lib/RealPlayer7   

So, what do you suggest, please? I don't want to try to install the new
RealPlayer8. bin using Tom Brinkman's instructions as provided by 
Wolfgang Bornath until this is clarified.

Thanks so much.

Benjamin   
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Benjamin and Anna Sher
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Re: [expert] RealPlayer8 failes

2001-03-29 Thread Benjamin Sher

Dear Wolfgang:

Thanks a million. Will do!

Benjamin
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Re: [expert] RealPlayer8 failes

2001-03-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 07:11 +, Larry Marshall wrote:
> Benjamin Sher wrote:
> 
> > Just for the record: RealPlayer 8.0-1 rpm will NOT install. No big deal.
> > I'll keep using Real7.
> 
> Benjamin, hunt down the .bin file for RP8.  It works.  You'll need it
> as more and more sites are requiring it for display.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent a
mail to this mailinglist with a working (at least for me) mini-HOWTO
to install RealPlayer 8 on Mandrake 7.2 including plugins and mime
handling:

--snip--
  do an ftp search  (http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/?form=medium) for
 rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs1.bin   (5.6mb)   That'll return at least
15 links worldwide and you can spare yourself the hassle of going thru
Real's B$ to get it.
 
 As root run  ./rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs1.bin   and it'll take
care of everything including NSplugin's and mime types.  Problem is, for
root only.  So as user, cd to   /usr/local/RealPlayer8   and run
   sh mimeinstall.sh && sh pluginstall.sh
If you want Konqueror to use RP8, goto Control Center | Web browsing
| NetScape Plugins | 'Scan for new Plugins', apply.  Then re-start
user's X session.
 
   RealPlayer8 should now be on your main menu, and auto used by both
Konqueror and NutScrape when you click on a G2/realplayer link.
---snap---

As I wrote, this worked perfectly for me, the plugin shows in
about:plugins and all the videos and/or audio sites started RP with
the klick on the link.

wobo
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RE: [expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?

2001-03-29 Thread kramer SETH

once again roger roger

-Original Message-
From: Wayne Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?


A common American slang term, like fubar'ed, torked, tweaked, on the
fritz, skee-hawed, or my personal favorite, cattywampused. It means
they're not functioning properly.

HTH

Wayne

kramer SETH wrote:
> 
> what is up with the word hosed?  What exactly does it mean?
>




Re: [expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?

2001-03-29 Thread Wayne Stout

A common American slang term, like fubar'ed, torked, tweaked, on the
fritz, skee-hawed, or my personal favorite, cattywampused. It means
they're not functioning properly.

HTH

Wayne

kramer SETH wrote:
> 
> what is up with the word hosed?  What exactly does it mean?
>




Re: [expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?

2001-03-29 Thread Michael O'Henly

Well, it means "hooped" or "messed up" (in Canadian). ;-)

M. 

On Thursday 29 March 2001 13:20, kramer SETH wrote:
> what is up with the word hosed?  What exactly does it mean?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Laxdal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 3:40 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?
>
> On Thursday 29 March 2001 10:11, Michael O'Henly wrote:
> > Last night I did a clean reinstall of 7.2, installed pmfirewall and KDE
> > 2.1, and then ran MandrakeUpdate to get the security updates. Before
> > running Update, I did an "rpm --rebuilddb" and "update-menus -v".
> >
> > I did the updates a few at a time (6-8 packages), then rebuild the RPM
> > database before continuing. By the time I got to gpm, gnome-media, and
> > gnupg, the hard disk started thrashing and X locked up. I had to
>
> power-down
>
> > the system to reboot.
> >
> > I tried again (after rebuilding the RPM database). This time when I hit
> > those packages, I got a message from MandrakeUpdate saying that they'd
> > already been installed -- even though they still showed up as "updates
> > available but not yet installed".
> >
> > So I continued on further down the updates list and the same thing
>
> happened
>
> > again. I rebooted, rebuilt the RPM database, then tried several different
> > Update mirrors. Same thing in every case.
> >
> > This morning I completely reinstalled 7.2, pmfirewall, and KDE 2.1, then
> > again ran MandrakeUpdate. Again, when I reach the "g's" in the update
>
> list,
>
> > the drive starts thrashing and X freezes up.
> >
> > Is it possible that one or more corrupt RPMs have been propogated through
> > the Update mirrors? Or is it more likely something on my system? (I must
> > say that I've been following this procedure for months with absolutely no
> > problems.)
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > M.
>
> I had a similar problem a few months ago when I initially installed 7.2,
> except I was being selective as to which packages I wanted to install.  If
> I
>
> recall correctly this resulted in my system not booting up properly and
> X-Windows not being able to startup.
>
> Since then I've obviously re-installed my system and followed the general
> rule that I'll apply all updates listed in the order that they were added
> to
>
> the server I'm connected to.
>
> This requires a little more time and effort since ideally you should find a
> server with all the intermediary updates (ie all the versions of cups that
> have been released since the 7.2 release) and create a list is order of
> when
>
> the files were uploaded to the server.  Then go through and apply the
> updates
> on a sort of daily basis (ie all updates added Nov 3, followed by all
> updates
> added Nov 10, and so on)
>
> I have not had a problem applying any of the upgrades this way since you
> should keep in mind that the updates were created in a certain order so
> maybe
> they should be applied in the same order.
>
> Also remember to quit and restart Mandrake Update after you update it (the
> update appeared Jan. 3 on my list), so that later updates are applied with
> the correct version of the tool.
>
> Erik

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TENZO Design




RE: [expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?

2001-03-29 Thread kramer SETH

what is up with the word hosed?  What exactly does it mean?

-Original Message-
From: Erik Laxdal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 3:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?


On Thursday 29 March 2001 10:11, Michael O'Henly wrote:
> Last night I did a clean reinstall of 7.2, installed pmfirewall and KDE
> 2.1, and then ran MandrakeUpdate to get the security updates. Before
> running Update, I did an "rpm --rebuilddb" and "update-menus -v".
>
> I did the updates a few at a time (6-8 packages), then rebuild the RPM
> database before continuing. By the time I got to gpm, gnome-media, and
> gnupg, the hard disk started thrashing and X locked up. I had to
power-down
> the system to reboot.
>
> I tried again (after rebuilding the RPM database). This time when I hit
> those packages, I got a message from MandrakeUpdate saying that they'd
> already been installed -- even though they still showed up as "updates
> available but not yet installed".
>
> So I continued on further down the updates list and the same thing
happened
> again. I rebooted, rebuilt the RPM database, then tried several different
> Update mirrors. Same thing in every case.
>
> This morning I completely reinstalled 7.2, pmfirewall, and KDE 2.1, then
> again ran MandrakeUpdate. Again, when I reach the "g's" in the update
list,
> the drive starts thrashing and X freezes up.
>
> Is it possible that one or more corrupt RPMs have been propogated through
> the Update mirrors? Or is it more likely something on my system? (I must
> say that I've been following this procedure for months with absolutely no
> problems.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> M.

I had a similar problem a few months ago when I initially installed 7.2, 
except I was being selective as to which packages I wanted to install.  If I

recall correctly this resulted in my system not booting up properly and 
X-Windows not being able to startup.

Since then I've obviously re-installed my system and followed the general 
rule that I'll apply all updates listed in the order that they were added to

the server I'm connected to.

This requires a little more time and effort since ideally you should find a 
server with all the intermediary updates (ie all the versions of cups that 
have been released since the 7.2 release) and create a list is order of when

the files were uploaded to the server.  Then go through and apply the
updates 
on a sort of daily basis (ie all updates added Nov 3, followed by all
updates 
added Nov 10, and so on)

I have not had a problem applying any of the upgrades this way since you 
should keep in mind that the updates were created in a certain order so
maybe 
they should be applied in the same order.

Also remember to quit and restart Mandrake Update after you update it (the 
update appeared Jan. 3 on my list), so that later updates are applied with 
the correct version of the tool.

Erik




Re: [expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?

2001-03-29 Thread Erik Laxdal

On Thursday 29 March 2001 10:11, Michael O'Henly wrote:
> Last night I did a clean reinstall of 7.2, installed pmfirewall and KDE
> 2.1, and then ran MandrakeUpdate to get the security updates. Before
> running Update, I did an "rpm --rebuilddb" and "update-menus -v".
>
> I did the updates a few at a time (6-8 packages), then rebuild the RPM
> database before continuing. By the time I got to gpm, gnome-media, and
> gnupg, the hard disk started thrashing and X locked up. I had to power-down
> the system to reboot.
>
> I tried again (after rebuilding the RPM database). This time when I hit
> those packages, I got a message from MandrakeUpdate saying that they'd
> already been installed -- even though they still showed up as "updates
> available but not yet installed".
>
> So I continued on further down the updates list and the same thing happened
> again. I rebooted, rebuilt the RPM database, then tried several different
> Update mirrors. Same thing in every case.
>
> This morning I completely reinstalled 7.2, pmfirewall, and KDE 2.1, then
> again ran MandrakeUpdate. Again, when I reach the "g's" in the update list,
> the drive starts thrashing and X freezes up.
>
> Is it possible that one or more corrupt RPMs have been propogated through
> the Update mirrors? Or is it more likely something on my system? (I must
> say that I've been following this procedure for months with absolutely no
> problems.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> M.

I had a similar problem a few months ago when I initially installed 7.2, 
except I was being selective as to which packages I wanted to install.  If I 
recall correctly this resulted in my system not booting up properly and 
X-Windows not being able to startup.

Since then I've obviously re-installed my system and followed the general 
rule that I'll apply all updates listed in the order that they were added to 
the server I'm connected to.

This requires a little more time and effort since ideally you should find a 
server with all the intermediary updates (ie all the versions of cups that 
have been released since the 7.2 release) and create a list is order of when 
the files were uploaded to the server.  Then go through and apply the updates 
on a sort of daily basis (ie all updates added Nov 3, followed by all updates 
added Nov 10, and so on)

I have not had a problem applying any of the upgrades this way since you 
should keep in mind that the updates were created in a certain order so maybe 
they should be applied in the same order.

Also remember to quit and restart Mandrake Update after you update it (the 
update appeared Jan. 3 on my list), so that later updates are applied with 
the correct version of the tool.

Erik




Re: [expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?

2001-03-29 Thread Michael O'Henly

I've pushed ahead a bit further and this is what I'm finding.

The three RPMs that are causing problems for me are gmc, pine, and userdrake. 
The first time I tried to update them, I got the "hard drive thrashing and X 
frozen" behaviour. The second time (after rebuilding the RPM database), I got 
the "package_name already installed message" despite the fact that it was 
still showing up in the "available but not yet installed" list.

What I ended up doing was "rpm -q package_name" so that both versions of the 
package were named. Then "rpm -e package_name_version_number" to explicitly 
delete each version. Then ran Update again and installed the updated version.

This worked but, of course, shouldn't have been necessary. 

M.

On Thursday 29 March 2001 16:48, Jim Nuytens wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:11:16 -0800, Michael O'Henly wrote:
>
> (all the sorrid details of Mandrake Update weirdness snipped for
> brevity)
>
> Well, I was going to ask the same question. I've got a similar
> situation going on with Corporate Server 1.0.1.
>
> I did an upgrade from 1.0 to 1.0.1. When it was finished, I brought the
> system up as normal and decided to run Mandrake Update just to see if
> there was anyting I missed.
>
> In the list of updates available are the 2.2.16 kernal RPMs. This is
> very weird because the currently installed kernel (via selecting
> upgrade during the install) is 2.2.17. It used to be 2.2.15.
>
> Anyone want to venture a quess as to why I'm seeing updates for the
> 2.2.16 kernel?
>
> Oh, and I'm also seeing other packages showing up like Mike described.

-- 
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TENZO Design




Re: [expert] what has become of mandrakeupdate?

2001-03-29 Thread Civileme

On Thursday 29 March 2001 14:40, you wrote:
> I recently downloaded the mandrakeupdate src rpm for mandrake 8.0 (cooker),
> built it and installed it.  There is no mandrakeupdate in it despite the
> name.  There is only grpmi.  In the i586 binary directory there is also
> mandrakeupdate rpm.
>
> What has become of it?  I cannot run mandrakeupdate anymore because I am
> essentially up to 8.0 level and my last functional mandrakeupdate was from
> 7.2.

It has been combined with rpmDrake

Civileme




[expert] Help? HELP ! USB modem HardDrake

2001-03-29 Thread donald hinds


I have a supported (ZOOM USB) modem (linux-USB.org). LM-7.2 sees my TWO USB
ports.

When I run HardDrake to install a modem, it gives me options of Serial, ISDN
and so forth, but not USB.

What file to I change (and how do I change it) so the USB will be an option in
Hardrake for the modem?

thanks if you can help,   Don




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[expert] what has become of mandrakeupdate?

2001-03-29 Thread Praedor Tempus

I recently downloaded the mandrakeupdate src rpm for mandrake 8.0 (cooker), 
built it and installed it.  There is no mandrakeupdate in it despite the 
name.  There is only grpmi.  In the i586 binary directory there is also 
mandrakeupdate rpm.

What has become of it?  I cannot run mandrakeupdate anymore because I am 
essentially up to 8.0 level and my last functional mandrakeupdate was from 
7.2.

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Re: [expert] Can't locate module binfmt-0000

2001-03-29 Thread Daniel Woods

> when you launch an executable in linux, the kernel identifies the format
> (elf, aout, etc) of the executable by the first couple of bytes. it then
> tries to load a module to handle the loading of that executable. if it
> cant find the appropriate module, an error is logged.
> 
> e.g.
> 
> % dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/test bs=1k count=1
> % chmod 755 /tmp/test
> % /tmp/test
> /tmp/test: Exec format error. Binary file not executable.
> 
> and via syslog..
> 
> Mar 28 11:00:23 host modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt-
> 
> IOW ... you probably tried to execute a non-executable file.

Or a binary is of size 0.
In my case, I found /sbin/ipchains was somehow overwritten. :)

Thanks... Dan.






RE: [expert] Kudzu - Unwanted Intervention

2001-03-29 Thread Claudio


Maybe good be a good idea to not start kudzu everytime you boot (disable in
the init scripts). I guess you do not add new hardware everytime you boot?

C.




>  -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Verzonden:donderdag 29 maart 2001 21:29
> Aan:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Onderwerp:[expert] Kudzu - Unwanted Intervention
>
> Can anyone suggest why, when I am booting up, kudzu reprots that my
printer has been removed from the system?  It's where it has always been and
it is switched on.  The installer was smart enough to recognise it
nevertheless I have to go through this farce every time (once/twice a week)
I reboot.
>
> regards
>
> Daryl Johnson
> Proplan Associates
>
>





Re: [expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?

2001-03-29 Thread Jim Nuytens

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:11:16 -0800, Michael O'Henly wrote:

(all the sorrid details of Mandrake Update weirdness snipped for
brevity)

Well, I was going to ask the same question. I've got a similar
situation going on with Corporate Server 1.0.1.

I did an upgrade from 1.0 to 1.0.1. When it was finished, I brought the
system up as normal and decided to run Mandrake Update just to see if
there was anyting I missed.

In the list of updates available are the 2.2.16 kernal RPMs. This is
very weird because the currently installed kernel (via selecting
upgrade during the install) is 2.2.17. It used to be 2.2.15.  

Anyone want to venture a quess as to why I'm seeing updates for the
2.2.16 kernel?

Oh, and I'm also seeing other packages showing up like Mike described.





[expert] Kudzu - Unwanted Intervention

2001-03-29 Thread Daryl Johnson

Can anyone suggest why, when I am booting up, kudzu reprots that my printer
has been removed from the system?  It's where it has always been and it is
switched on.  The installer was smart enough to recognise it nevertheless I
have to go through this farce every time (once/twice a week) I reboot.

regards

Daryl Johnson
Proplan Associates



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Re: [expert] Can't locate module binfmt-0000

2001-03-29 Thread Michael Leone

Here's an explanation from another group ...


when you launch an executable in linux, the kernel identifies the format
(elf, aout, etc) of the executable by the first couple of bytes. it then
tries to load a module to handle the loading of that executable. if it
cant find the appropriate module, an error is logged.

e.g.

% dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/test bs=1k count=1
% chmod 755 /tmp/test
% /tmp/test
/tmp/test: Exec format error. Binary file not executable.


and via syslog..


Mar 28 11:00:23 host modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt-


IOW ... you probably tried to execute a non-executable file.

- Original Message - 
From: "Andreas Grytz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:45 AM
Subject: [expert] Can't locate module binfmt-


> Hello,
> 
> The erreor message from the subject line was printed every time when I
> log in as root. In /var/log/messages it ist surrounded by output form
> PAM so I suggest that a problem with Password Authentication Module.
> 
> Does anyone know something about this?
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 





[expert] Urgent: Mandrake Updates hosed?

2001-03-29 Thread Michael O'Henly

Last night I did a clean reinstall of 7.2, installed pmfirewall and KDE 2.1, 
and then ran MandrakeUpdate to get the security updates. Before running 
Update, I did an "rpm --rebuilddb" and "update-menus -v".

I did the updates a few at a time (6-8 packages), then rebuild the RPM 
database before continuing. By the time I got to gpm, gnome-media, and gnupg, 
the hard disk started thrashing and X locked up. I had to power-down the 
system to reboot.

I tried again (after rebuilding the RPM database). This time when I hit those 
packages, I got a message from MandrakeUpdate saying that they'd already been 
installed -- even though they still showed up as "updates available but not 
yet installed".

So I continued on further down the updates list and the same thing happened 
again. I rebooted, rebuilt the RPM database, then tried several different 
Update mirrors. Same thing in every case.

This morning I completely reinstalled 7.2, pmfirewall, and KDE 2.1, then 
again ran MandrakeUpdate. Again, when I reach the "g's" in the update list, 
the drive starts thrashing and X freezes up.

Is it possible that one or more corrupt RPMs have been propogated through the 
Update mirrors? Or is it more likely something on my system? (I must say that 
I've been following this procedure for months with absolutely no problems.)

Thanks.

M.

-- 
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TENZO Design




[expert] Cannot log into FTP anonymously.

2001-03-29 Thread george . jones

I've got an ftp server running on a laptop at my desk here at work. I tried
to configure it to accept anonymous logins, but whenever I try to log into
it I get a pw error. Here's the ftpaccess file:

# This file was generated by the KDE wu-ftpd configurator.
# (c) 2000 by Bernhard Rosenkränzer ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
upload/var/ftp/pub   yes  no   root
noretrieve
loginfails 5
private no
hostname teh l337 FTP servar!!!
email root@localhost
show-everytime readme yes
readme/ftp/readme.txt LOGIN
chmod   no   guest,anonymous
delete  no   guest,anonymous
overwrite   no   guest,anonymous
rename  no   guest,anonymous
umask no   guest
passwd-check   none enforce
log commands anonymous,guest,real
log security anonymous,guest,real
log transfers  guest,real outbound
log syslog
anonymous-root /var/ftp/pub
guest-root /var/ftp/pub
ul-dl-rate * 2
limit-time * 1
limit-upload * 1
limit-download * 1
mailfrom ftplog
mailserver localhost
incmail root@localhost

shutdown /etc/shutmsg
tar yes  real
tar no   guest,anonymous
compressyes  real
compressno   guest,anonymous
chmod   yes  real
delete  yes  real
overwrite   yes  real
rename  yes  real
log transfers  anonymous inbound,outbound



Can anyone see what's wrong here?





Re[2]: [expert] AnonFTP not accepting password.

2001-03-29 Thread Rusty Carruth

Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Rusty,
> 
> As a matter of fact I used all the FTP packages specifically for
> Mandrake on my machine at home. what's weird about it is that a few
> weeks ago I had FTP working fine, then something happened and i had to
> reload or the monitor bought wasn't going to work cause I was running
> the wrong version of XFree86. thats another store though.
> 
> anyway, when I did setup again all went smooth until I attempted to log
> in as an anonymous user.

I just skimmed an article in Linux Journal about oftpd which may be even 
better.  Its a read-only (I think) ftp server that ONLY takes anon connections.
I bet if you look on oh, shoot, I can find it really quick, here...
its at freshmeat:

http://freshmeat.net/projects/oftpd/

>  something else that is a bit strange is that
> ypbind isn't working correctly. If i'm not mistaken doesn't that have
> something to do with DNS service and aren't they somehow related to FTP
> services?

Perhaps.  If ftpd is configired to verify your @foo.com domain in your
password (*), having name lookups fail could cause things to hose.

And, yes, ypbind is (can be) part of your name lookup sequence.  Probably
a good idea to get that fixed and see whats still broken.

(* - can it do this???)

rc


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Re: [expert] RealPlayer8 failes

2001-03-29 Thread daddy

Benjamin Sher wrote:
> 
> Dear Jose:
> 
> Just for the record: RealPlayer 8.0-1 rpm will NOT install. No big deal.
> I'll keep using Real7.
> 
> Benjamin
> 
> [sher@sher07@sherlantz sher]$ su
> Password:
> [root@sher07@sherlantz sher]# rpm -Uvh --nodeps
> rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs1.rpm
> 
> package RealPlayer-8.0-1 is for a different architecture
> [root@sher07@sherlantz sher]#
> 
> --
> Sher's Russian Web
> http://www.websher.net
> Benjamin and Anna Sher
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

do this command.

rpm -Uvh --ignorearch rp8*


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Re: [expert] RealPlayer8 failes

2001-03-29 Thread Larry Marshall

Benjamin Sher wrote:

> Just for the record: RealPlayer 8.0-1 rpm will NOT install. No big deal.
> I'll keep using Real7.

Benjamin, hunt down the .bin file for RP8.  It works.  You'll need it
as more and more sites are requiring it for display.

Cheers --- Larry




Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!

2001-03-29 Thread Dennis Robertson

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:02:09PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02 +, Larry Marshall wrote:
> > 
> > > It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on until
> > > the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors.
> > 
> > Mandrake doesn't seem to know that :-)  I have the same problem Ken
> > has and I'm running an AMD K6-2 500.
> 
> Same here: AMD K6-2 400 being recognized by MDK 7.2 as i586
>  
> wobo
My K6-3 450 is recognised by LM7.2 as i586 also.
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[expert] Can't locate module binfmt-0000

2001-03-29 Thread Andreas Grytz

Hello,

The erreor message from the subject line was printed every time when I
log in as root. In /var/log/messages it ist surrounded by output form
PAM so I suggest that a problem with Password Authentication Module.

Does anyone know something about this?

Thanks a lot,

Andreas

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