[expert] Kernel booting issue
On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 20:33, Todd Lyons wrote: > Femme wrote on Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 07:33:20PM -0600 : > > Not sure if I should ask this here or Newbie list. But here goes. > > It's customary to start a new thread when you are asking a new question. > Just because you change the subject doesn't mean that mailers won't > place them after the message that you hit "Reply" on. :) > Fine so I'm an idiot :) Still learning the ins & outs of this list stuff. > With this beginning set of answers, we'll be able to see exactly what > you've got and then that will allow us to make the second set of > questions. In the future if you provide as much information as you > think might be pertinent or useful, we might be able to get you an > answer without a lot of back and forth Q&A. :) > > Blue skies... Todd If I'd know what info or how to provide it I would have believe me! :) However you've provided that answer so thank you... and with that heres the info you need *I hope*... /dev/hda1 * 1 852 6843658+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda2 853 2491 13165267+ f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda5 853 2491 131652367 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hdb1 * 1 5425 43576281c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hdb2 5426 7474 16456135+ f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hdb5 5426 5871 3582463+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb6 5872 5921401593+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hdb7 5922 6496 4618656 83 Linux /dev/hdb8 6497 6527248976 83 Linux /dev/hdb9 6528 6534 56164+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb10 6535 6792 2072322 83 Linux /dev/hdb11 6793 7049 2064321 83 Linux /dev/hdb12 7050 7474 3411324 83 Linux Wasn't sure what to snip, so I just threw it all in here. Sorry if its too much. Still figuring out everything as I go after all...or so my excuse goes? :) As for which installations LILO is in the MBR, I believe the second ones, the Test OS Install. Its the one I'm learning on/screwing up. Its the one I installed 2nd, and I (probably stupidly) put the LILO onto hda in the MBR, thinking I could just point the other installations files to the right directory & such. Silly me! ;P thx Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Travan Tape drives
On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 21:46, Jim Tarvid wrote: > On Tuesday 09 July 2002 09:26 pm, you wrote: > > Anyone know any reason why I should NOT go buy a Travan, IDE ATAPI-base > > tape drive and use it for Mandrake? > Only because they are ugly, unreliable and smell bad. > > If you overrule that advice -- > > Buy two, make sure the carts interchange, and verify the backups by loading > them on a second machine. > > I used them for years on an old RedHat box. Got them to work fairly well by > twidling parameters. It felt good to look at the carts on the shelf, but... > > I keep an old Debian box around for no other purpose than backing up other > servers. It has a CDRW so I can archive things in pieces. It has saved my ass > many times. > > Not once in 30 some years of computing has a tape been so kind. > > One of these days DVD-R media will be cheap. In the meantime, I keep carving > the world into 650MB pieces. > > Jim Tarvid Jim, I've got a bunch of tapes here that were originally done on a Colorado 1400. They are DC-2120's (QIC 80) and some Verbatim MC3020's (QIC 3020). The 1400 drive is long gone and I've got to get the data off of them; what would you recommend as far as the best model of compatible tape drive to get, so I can read them? Would a Travan drive handle it or is there a better alternative? Also one of these Verbatims rewound to the end, and the tape snapped loose from the spool in the cartridge. Is there a service out there that will retrieve the tape data that you know of? Thanks -- LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] upgrade woes
- Original Message - From: "Darren King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "mandrake list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: [expert] upgrade woes > I just upgraded my machine from a k6-2 400 with a super 7 board to a > ahtlon 1700xp with a kt333 board and now my system is mucho unstable. I wish I only had an unstable system. I could not boot at all after a very similar upgrade. I installed 8.0 on an unused partition but cannot use my usb mouse. I reinstalled with the recent (06/06/02) cooker isos and cannot boot at all. I get errors about block-major-3 (ide drive) and char-major-13 (mouse I think). It suggests that I boot with kernel option "init=" but I don't know what that means. As you can tell, I can run my WinXP partiton. :( Chuck Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] upgrade woes
Darren King wrote on Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 11:33:48AM +1000 : > Nopethat's currently at 0. Wierd. Looking through the dmesg > output, I see that the kernel has flagged my chipset as KT133, not KT333 > as it should be. No DMA => slow slow slow. Will feel very unresponsive under high disk I/O. Will result in horrible system performance and high load averages (because the kernel is waiting on the hardware to say "I'm finished writing all that data that you gave to me"). > I should be able to install the new cooker kernel separately right? so > I can choose what kernel I want to boot? Yes. Install it, *NOT* upgrade it. But: (there's always a but) The kernel should be the only package you try this with. In other words, don't download the latest Mozilla or Samba package from Cooker and expect it to work. It won't. Cooker is using a different version of gcc which results in different libstdc++ libs which means none of your graphical apps will work. Some of the text based ones *might*, but I'm telling you and everybody else now: Don't do it. You're creating so much heartache for yourself that it defies explanation why we, even as sadistic as we are, would do such a thing. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-21mdk msg56195/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Kernel booting issue
Femme wrote on Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 07:33:20PM -0600 : > Not sure if I should ask this here or Newbie list. But here goes. It's customary to start a new thread when you are asking a new question. Just because you change the subject doesn't mean that mailers won't place them after the message that you hit "Reply" on. :) > I have 2 MDK installs, one Resiser partitions & the other on XFS. I've > tried to configure LILO to use one vmlinux & initrd file for each > install as both sets of kernels/init files are in the /boot directory on > each install! > > So...In Lilo's graphical section under MDK control centre, I found > listings for both of them I think. One calls itself > vmlinuz-blah-kernel#here, and the other is just vmlinuz. Ditto for the > init files. > Yet when I select what I think are the appropriate kernels/inits, for > the Stable install it hangs on booting Lilo. So...? Those are going to be only for one instance. The first question is "Which installation's lilo is in the MBR?" Follow that answer with the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' (assuming that your drives are IDE). I want to see what you have each of the partition types set to and tell us where you have them mounted. With this beginning set of answers, we'll be able to see exactly what you've got and then that will allow us to make the second set of questions. In the future if you provide as much information as you think might be pertinent or useful, we might be able to get you an answer without a lot of back and forth Q&A. :) Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-21mdk msg56194/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] upgrade woes
Nopethat's currently at 0. Wierd. Looking through the dmesg output, I see that the kernel has flagged my chipset as KT133, not KT333 as it should be. I should be able to install the new cooker kernel separately right? so I can choose what kernel I want to boot? Darren On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 10:40, Todd Lyons wrote: > Darren King wrote on Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 10:35:03AM +1000 : > > Thanks for the reply Todd. Is the cooker kernel going to break anything > > else in my system? Will all my apps and stuff work? I have always been > > wary of running a cooker kernel. Can you shed any light here? > > If there's anything going to break, it will be experimental features > that have been added to the kernel recently. The one thing that I'm > most curious about (sounds like I should be on the Simpsons) is that of > the current supermount status. Let me know how things work for you. > > BTW, does the current kernel see dma capability in your IDE chipset? > > Blue skies... Todd > -- > Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because > that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn >Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-21mdk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel booting issue
Not sure if I should ask this here or Newbie list. But here goes. I have 2 MDK installs, one Resiser partitions & the other on XFS. I've tried to configure LILO to use one vmlinux & initrd file for each install as both sets of kernels/init files are in the /boot directory on each install! So...In Lilo's graphical section under MDK control centre, I found listings for both of them I think. One calls itself vmlinuz-blah-kernel#here, and the other is just vmlinuz. Ditto for the init files. Yet when I select what I think are the appropriate kernels/inits, for the Stable install it hangs on booting Lilo. So...? any help appreciated. TIA Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel panic message translation?
that was my first thought whne i first saw this - a couple of weeks ago - i'm not sure exactly what a 'virtual address' is, but it sounds memoryish, i ran memtest for over a day and repeated with a couple of different ram configs, i'm limited to what i can do due to not having lots of different sticks to play with, any way for what it's worth there were no reported errors, thanks for replying, i will have to save up for some new ram just to make sure:-) bascule On Thursday 11 July 2002 1:54 am, you wrote: > bascule wrote on Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 01:40:08AM +0100 : > > well, after behaving for 4 days my machine went down again, i have copied > > the --begin > > watson login: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual > > address 0020 > > First and simplest thing to test: change your RAM. In nearly every > case I've been up against this, changing the RAM solved the problem. > > Blue skies... Todd -- 'Have you lost your senses?' 'Yes, but I may have found some better ones.' (Interesting Times) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel panic message translation?
bascule wrote on Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 01:40:08AM +0100 : > well, after behaving for 4 days my machine went down again, i have copied the > --begin > watson login: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual > address 0020 First and simplest thing to test: change your RAM. In nearly every case I've been up against this, changing the RAM solved the problem. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-21mdk msg56190/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] USB numeric keypad
Hello all, I was thinking of getting one of those usb numeric keypads for my laptop and I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with those? If so, what's it like getting it running? Thanks! Mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com < "AOL for Dummies" is kind of redundant, don't you think? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] upgrade woes
Darren King wrote on Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 10:35:03AM +1000 : > Thanks for the reply Todd. Is the cooker kernel going to break anything > else in my system? Will all my apps and stuff work? I have always been > wary of running a cooker kernel. Can you shed any light here? If there's anything going to break, it will be experimental features that have been added to the kernel recently. The one thing that I'm most curious about (sounds like I should be on the Simpsons) is that of the current supermount status. Let me know how things work for you. BTW, does the current kernel see dma capability in your IDE chipset? Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-21mdk msg56188/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] kernel panic message translation?
well, after behaving for 4 days my machine went down again, i have copied the onscreen verbiage below, at the time i was ssh'ed in form a workstation and running a grep process, i get very similar messages each time this machine crashes but with a different process named, if anyone can tell from this stuff what in particular might be happening i would be very interested because i can't trust this box to do anything at all if i don't know when it might just decide to crash, i had to copy the on screen messages by hand because the last time it crashed i couldn't find this stuff in any of the logs in hope :-) bascule --begin watson login: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0020 *pde = Oops: CPU: 0 EIP: 0010:[] Not tainted EFLAGS: 00010007 eax: ebx: c24f26c0 ecx: 00ff edx:0008 esi: 0002 edi: c10128f8 ebp: 0001 esp: c402fe18 ds: 0018 es: 0018ss:0018 Process grep (pid: 29672, stackpage=c402f000) Stack: c24f26c0 c4f4aa40 c018ccc1 c24f26c0 0001 c4f4aa40 c10e9d60 0001 0206 c019cd11 c4f4aa40 0001 c031eaf0 0030 c031e9e8 c4f4aa40 c031e9a4 c01a97aa 0001 c10e9d60 c031e9e8 c10e9d60 0202 Call trace: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Code: 8b 42 18 83 e0 44 83 f8 44 74 2d 8b 52 28 39 da 75 ee b0 01 <0>Kernel panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler! In interrupt handler - not syncing ---end- -- 'Yeah, well, I didn't sign up for world domination,' said Medium Dave. 'That sort of thing gets you into trouble.' (Hogfather) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] upgrade woes
Thanks for the reply Todd. Is the cooker kernel going to break anything else in my system? Will all my apps and stuff work? I have always been wary of running a cooker kernel. Can you shed any light here? Darren On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 10:06, Todd Lyons wrote: > I will start this reply with the following sweeping statement: > If you buy hardware that's so new that kernel support is only just > appearing, then you should expect some things not to work to full > potential in a distro that's now 4 months old (and counting). > > You obviously are very experienced with Linux in general, so I don't > intend this to be condescending, but it's good dialogue for others who > might want to provide perspective. > > Darren King wrote on Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 09:42:45AM +1000 : > > > I just upgraded my machine from a k6-2 400 with a super 7 board to a > > ahtlon 1700xp with a kt333 board and now my system is mucho unstable. > > Familiar with that one. Go look in /proc/ide/via and make sure that > it's getting the full transfer rate on your drives. If not, the answer > will probably be in /proc/ide/hda/settings. Look at the following > edited output: > [root@fiji /home/todd/RPM/SPECS]# cat /proc/ide/hda/settings > name value min maxmode > - --- --- > ide_scsi 0 0 1 rw > io_32bit 1 0 3 rw > pio_mode write-only 0 255w > slow 0 0 1 rw > using_dma 1 0 1 rw > > The absolute most important one in is the last line. If you have > using_dma showing up as zero, that means that the kernel doesn't > recognize your IDE Chipset as an IDE chipset that's capable of doing > UDMA modes, so it just treats it like regular IDE. Another way to tell > this is using hdparm -t /dev/hda (use whatever device letter is required > for your system). The only solution is to get a newer kernel. In > Mandrake, your only real option is to install a Cooker kernel. > > > It's gotten to the point where I am very frustrated with Mandrake and > > even wondering about how good Linux really is. After years (I started > > before the kernel was up to 1.0) of supporting Linux, I have watched > > windows become easier to use and more stable. Windows XP installs new > > drivers for me without even asking me for anything. It just works. But > > I love the power of Linux and the applications. > > > > Here's the list of my problems. > > > > 1. When I shutdown, it goes through the normal routine and then tells me > > to power the machine down. Before the upgrade, it would power down the > > machine for menow I have manually use the power button. > > Try a Cooker kernel. Get it from the Cooker mirrors. > > > 2. No sound. I am still working on this one. sndconfig is useless. It > > finds my sound card and then tries to play a sound. It cant so it just > > hangs there and I never get to actually configure the sound card to fix > > the problem. That's pretty pathetic for a real osthe config tool > > wont config! > > Try a Cooker kernel. Get it from the Cooker mirrors. The sound > configuration utilties in 8.2 are 4 months old now, so you'll have to > configure it by hand. Try both OSS and ALSA. > > > 3. CD burning on my scsi plextor is now very unstable. I have to burn > > at 1x or the burn fails. The burner is the only device in the scsi > > chain. The scsi card is sharing an IRQ with 2 ethernet cards and the > > sound card but of source I cant configure the sound card (see above) to > > change the IRQ. > > Install the updates that are on the update mirrors. The version of > cdrecord that shipped with 8.2 had a problem that is fixed in the > updates. > > > These are not the problems users should put up with from a real > > operating system. This is mickey mouse stuff. Like I said before, I > > run windows XP on my other system...I add new hardware, it configures it > > for me, no problem. I don't mind configuring hardware myself but as you > > can see above, I would if I could. > > I do agree that "it just works" applies in many cases with Windows. If > we could get those same manufacturers to either write their own open > source support for their products just like the windows drivers they do > write OR provide the specs to the hardware and let the community write > the drivers. Usually it has to be reverse engineered. > > > In conclusion, I think the lesson learned here is: > > When upgrading major hardware components such as motherboards, REINSTALL > > the operating system. It's sad but at least with Mandrake 8.2, it's > > true. > > And are you claiming this is not true for Windows? It is, so why are > you listing that as a detraction for Linux and not f
Re: [expert] upgrade woes
I will start this reply with the following sweeping statement: If you buy hardware that's so new that kernel support is only just appearing, then you should expect some things not to work to full potential in a distro that's now 4 months old (and counting). You obviously are very experienced with Linux in general, so I don't intend this to be condescending, but it's good dialogue for others who might want to provide perspective. Darren King wrote on Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 09:42:45AM +1000 : > I just upgraded my machine from a k6-2 400 with a super 7 board to a > ahtlon 1700xp with a kt333 board and now my system is mucho unstable. Familiar with that one. Go look in /proc/ide/via and make sure that it's getting the full transfer rate on your drives. If not, the answer will probably be in /proc/ide/hda/settings. Look at the following edited output: [root@fiji /home/todd/RPM/SPECS]# cat /proc/ide/hda/settings name value min maxmode - --- --- ide_scsi 0 0 1 rw io_32bit 1 0 3 rw pio_mode write-only 0 255w slow 0 0 1 rw using_dma 1 0 1 rw The absolute most important one in is the last line. If you have using_dma showing up as zero, that means that the kernel doesn't recognize your IDE Chipset as an IDE chipset that's capable of doing UDMA modes, so it just treats it like regular IDE. Another way to tell this is using hdparm -t /dev/hda (use whatever device letter is required for your system). The only solution is to get a newer kernel. In Mandrake, your only real option is to install a Cooker kernel. > It's gotten to the point where I am very frustrated with Mandrake and > even wondering about how good Linux really is. After years (I started > before the kernel was up to 1.0) of supporting Linux, I have watched > windows become easier to use and more stable. Windows XP installs new > drivers for me without even asking me for anything. It just works. But > I love the power of Linux and the applications. > > Here's the list of my problems. > > 1. When I shutdown, it goes through the normal routine and then tells me > to power the machine down. Before the upgrade, it would power down the > machine for menow I have manually use the power button. Try a Cooker kernel. Get it from the Cooker mirrors. > 2. No sound. I am still working on this one. sndconfig is useless. It > finds my sound card and then tries to play a sound. It cant so it just > hangs there and I never get to actually configure the sound card to fix > the problem. That's pretty pathetic for a real osthe config tool > wont config! Try a Cooker kernel. Get it from the Cooker mirrors. The sound configuration utilties in 8.2 are 4 months old now, so you'll have to configure it by hand. Try both OSS and ALSA. > 3. CD burning on my scsi plextor is now very unstable. I have to burn > at 1x or the burn fails. The burner is the only device in the scsi > chain. The scsi card is sharing an IRQ with 2 ethernet cards and the > sound card but of source I cant configure the sound card (see above) to > change the IRQ. Install the updates that are on the update mirrors. The version of cdrecord that shipped with 8.2 had a problem that is fixed in the updates. > These are not the problems users should put up with from a real > operating system. This is mickey mouse stuff. Like I said before, I > run windows XP on my other system...I add new hardware, it configures it > for me, no problem. I don't mind configuring hardware myself but as you > can see above, I would if I could. I do agree that "it just works" applies in many cases with Windows. If we could get those same manufacturers to either write their own open source support for their products just like the windows drivers they do write OR provide the specs to the hardware and let the community write the drivers. Usually it has to be reverse engineered. > In conclusion, I think the lesson learned here is: > When upgrading major hardware components such as motherboards, REINSTALL > the operating system. It's sad but at least with Mandrake 8.2, it's > true. And are you claiming this is not true for Windows? It is, so why are you listing that as a detraction for Linux and not for Windows? Second, you do not need to reinstall the OS, you need only rerun your configuration programs. "I can't login because I have a different graphic card" is not wholly accurate. Use lilo to boot to runlevel 3 or runlevel 1 and run your configuration utilities (or use failsafe). Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid t
Re: [expert] Errors in /var/log/messages on LM7.2
John LeMay wrote on Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:16:40AM -0400 : > All, > > I'm seeing a lot of these messages in my log on an older LM7.2 machine. > There have been a very few updates to this machine in a long time. Can't > find anything real useful on Google about the message though. And ideas? > > Jul 10 09:08:30 cyclops rpc.statd[713]: gethostbyname error for > cyclops.njmc.com > Jul 10 09:08:30 cyclops rpc.statd[713]: STAT_FAIL to cyclops.njmc.com for > SM_MON > of 192.168.2.51 Your nfs server is attempting to do a DNS lookup for one of the machines that is connecting to it. You should have a DNS server behind your firewall that is authoritative for the njmc.com domain (forward lookups) and the 192.168.2.* aka 2.168.192.in-addr.arpa (reverse lookups) domain. Then install firewall rules on all machines to reject identd lookups (rejecting is better than not filtering because it gets rid of the timeout issue). Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-21mdk msg56184/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] upgrade woes
I just upgraded my machine from a k6-2 400 with a super 7 board to a ahtlon 1700xp with a kt333 board and now my system is mucho unstable. It's gotten to the point where I am very frustrated with Mandrake and even wondering about how good Linux really is. After years (I started before the kernel was up to 1.0) of supporting Linux, I have watched windows become easier to use and more stable. Windows XP installs new drivers for me without even asking me for anything. It just works. But I love the power of Linux and the applications. Here's the list of my problems. 1. When I shutdown, it goes through the normal routine and then tells me to power the machine down. Before the upgrade, it would power down the machine for menow I have manually use the power button. 2. No sound. I am still working on this one. sndconfig is useless. It finds my sound card and then tries to play a sound. It cant so it just hangs there and I never get to actually configure the sound card to fix the problem. That's pretty pathetic for a real osthe config tool wont config! 3. CD burning on my scsi plextor is now very unstable. I have to burn at 1x or the burn fails. The burner is the only device in the scsi chain. The scsi card is sharing an IRQ with 2 ethernet cards and the sound card but of source I cant configure the sound card (see above) to change the IRQ. These are not the problems users should put up with from a real operating system. This is mickey mouse stuff. Like I said before, I run windows XP on my other system...I add new hardware, it configures it for me, no problem. I don't mind configuring hardware myself but as you can see above, I would if I could. In conclusion, I think the lesson learned here is: When upgrading major hardware components such as motherboards, REINSTALL the operating system. It's sad but at least with Mandrake 8.2, it's true. Darren Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] gprintf command not found
phoenix wrote on Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 02:32:41PM -0400 :
> > > [root@horace init.d]# locate gprintf
> > > [root@horace init.d]#
> >I believe that gprintf and printf can be interchanged ... See this
> Just checked another install and it has the same issue.
> Obviously there is something wrong in the 8.2 distro,
[todd@fiji ~/RPM/SPECS]$ grep "gprintf" /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions
gprintf() {
If your scripts are sourcing the /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions file, then
it will work.
Blue skies... Todd
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UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because
that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn
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Re: [expert] OT - sorry, test, ignore
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, J. Craig Woods uttered these words of wisdom: >Michael Holt wrote: >> >> Mail server died, just fixing, please ignore. >> >> -- > >Hey Michael, did that mail server die because of too much traffic on >Ramsey? > >drjung hehe - I think it had more to do with the 102 degrees on Ramsey yesterday! So where are you located? My wife and I just moved here about 2 1/2 months ago from Washington state. /mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com < "AOL for Dummies" is kind of redundant, don't you think? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is disk fragmentation a must in windows and not in Linux
On Wednesday 10 July 2002 01:36 pm, Randy Kramer wrote: > Roberto Armenteros wrote: > > This is just a curiosity. Windows computers need to be > > fragmented very often. On the other hand, I once read > > somewhere that disk fragmentation in linux wasnt > > recomended "I am not how true this is." The fact is > > that disk fragmentation in linux is not often spoken > > about. Is there something special about the way linux > > handles the disk so it can have this privilege? I > > would appreciate anyinsight about this. > > Roberto, > > I've edited your first couple sentences to be more accurate: > > This is just a curiosity. Windows computers need to be > *defragmented* very often. On the other hand, I once read somewhere > that disk defragmentation in linux *is not required*. > > Fragmentation is a bad thing. Disks under Windows get fragmented, > meaning that pieces of a single file get scattered in different > places on the disk -- among other things it makes access slower. > So, you must *defragment* Windows disks which tries to put the > pieces (fragments) of a file all in one place, in the right order. > > For reasons I don't fully understand, Linux files systems typically > don't get fragmented as easily, and hence don't need to be > defragmented very often if ever. > > However, fragmentation does occur, and some Linux file systems (at > least one of the journaled file systems) has a utility for > defragementing it. > > BTW, the fragmentation in Windows occurs on FAT16 and FAT32 > partitions. I don't know whether fragmentation occurs on NTFS4 or > NTFS5 file systems. > > Randy Kramer Me neither Randy, I gave up on W98 (in '98), but http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/windows/fragment.html ~~ Disk fragmentation in the Windows file systems, whether it be the traditional FAT file system of Windows 3/95A, the FAT32 file system of Windows 95B/98, or the NTFS file system of Windows NT, causes significant performance degradation. Executive Software is a Microsoft partner and the company that wrote the defragmentation code that's included in Windows NT. Here's what they have to say about Windows fragmentation. Disk fragmentation cuts directly across the integrity of your system. Files fragmented into 200 pieces take 200 times longer to access. Files shattered into 200,000 pieces will take 200,000 times longer, and so on... And, that's just one computer and one file! ~~ Performance degradation -- Windoze NT, tell me it ain't so ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT - sorry, test, ignore
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, James uttered these words of wisdom: >> Mail server died, just fixing, please ignore. > > >Do I ignore the fact that it died or the fact that your fixing it >*grin*. > >James hehe - problem solved now, so I guess it's a moot point :-p /mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com < "AOL for Dummies" is kind of redundant, don't you think? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Why is disk fragmentation a must in windows and not in Linux
Randy/Roberto, Microsoft used to say that disks using the NTFS file system didn't get fragmented - However, like most of Microsoft's statements it was wishful thinking. Several after-market 'defrag' programs appeared to take care of this for NT3.51 and NT4. With NT5 (Win2000), Microsoft admitted that NTFS did indeed get fragment and included a disk defragmenter program with it. But, you're still better off getting an aftermarket program to defrag Win files. Mike S. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Kramer > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] Why is disk fragmentation a must in windows and > not in Linux > > > Roberto Armenteros wrote: > > This is just a curiosity. Windows computers need to be > > fragmented very often. On the other hand, I once read > > somewhere that disk fragmentation in linux wasnt > > recomended "I am not how true this is." The fact is > > that disk fragmentation in linux is not often spoken > > about. Is there something special about the way linux > > handles the disk so it can have this privilege? I > > would appreciate anyinsight about this. > > Roberto, > > I've edited your first couple sentences to be more accurate: > > This is just a curiosity. Windows computers need to be *defragmented* > very often. On the other hand, I once read somewhere that disk > defragmentation in linux *is not required*. > > Fragmentation is a bad thing. Disks under Windows get fragmented, > meaning that pieces of a single file get scattered in different places > on the disk -- among other things it makes access slower. So, you must > *defragment* Windows disks which tries to put the pieces (fragments) of > a file all in one place, in the right order. > > For reasons I don't fully understand, Linux files systems typically > don't get fragmented as easily, and hence don't need to be defragmented > very often if ever. > > However, fragmentation does occur, and some Linux file systems (at least > one of the journaled file systems) has a utility for defragementing it. > > BTW, the fragmentation in Windows occurs on FAT16 and FAT32 partitions. > I don't know whether fragmentation occurs on NTFS4 or NTFS5 file > systems. > > Randy Kramer > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is disk fragmentation a must in windows and not in Linux
Roberto Armenteros wrote: >This is just a curiosity. Windows computers need to be >fragmented very often. On the other hand, I once read >somewhere that disk fragmentation in linux wasnt >recomended "I am not how true this is." The fact is >that disk fragmentation in linux is not often spoken >about. Is there something special about the way linux >handles the disk so it can have this privilege? I >would appreciate anyinsight about this. > >Thanks a lot, > Roberto > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Well, in Windows, the FAT32 filesystem is an outgrowth of the filesystem originally used for the IBM-PC on floppies (yes, the old 5.25" ones). It keeps a map of what is used and what is not (a File Allocation Table) and a backup copy of that table near the front end of the disk. One bit there corresponds to one cluster on the disk. A cluster is variable in size from 1024 to fairly large though with FAT32 it is kept at 4096 or eight disk sectors. When a (new) file is to be stored, the FAT is scanned and the first available clusters are used until all the file is soaked up. When a file is deleted, the clusters in the map are marked as available for use. When a file is updated with a larger version of itself, the old file spacer is used then the first available clusters are selected from the bitmap. So, files fragment. When a temporary file is removed, a hole opens up and the next save in place of a file being edited grabs that space, even though it may be nowhere near the rest of the file's data (it may well precede it). IBM's JFS does something similar in its storage algorithm, but it tends to segment the disk a little better and it is in fact supplied with a defragmenter. Reiserfs uses a very complex directory structure and stores the tails of the files (the part that won't take up a whole block) in the directory leaves (yes their directory is a tree structure) unless one specifies "notail" in the first mount. It is designed to keep files strictly contiguous except for the tails. ext2/ext3 splits the filesystem space into areas managed by superblocks. Each superblock contains filesystem reconstruction information as well as inodes (directories and files) belonging to the local superblock. By scattering the superblock areas across the disk and making no effort to pack all the data at one end, it is possible to implement two rules: 1. Files that belong to a directory go into the same superblock as the directory if possible. 2. Files are stored contiguously as long as space permits. ext2 also reserves some area for system/scratch. If this area is set to zero, fragmentation increases, but typical fragmentation of files as I see it from my own experience is perhaps as high as 2%, and usually much lower. This rule does not hold for say a 3G partition designed to hold 650Mb iso files, where the files are larger than the superblocks, but so what? There is a defrag program for ext2. Typical improvement in performance is not worth the computing time spent running it. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kde and xinerama question
Where did you get your KDE rpms? If it is MDK's it should have Xinerama support compiled by default and the Enable Xinerama Support option should not be grayed out. If it is, then I would suggest that you recompile the RPMS and ensure that the --enable-xinerama option is turned on. Balaji On Wednesday 10 July 2002 14:40 pm, Dean S. Messing wrote: > Xineram in X is already enabled and working just fine. > This was stated in my original message to which Balaji responded. > > The problem is that KDE is not allowing me to turn on it's "xinerama > awareness". > > Larry Sword writes: > :: Within MCC in Hardware section Display, open and enable xinerama.. > :: > :: Dean S. Messing wrote: > :: > Balaji Ramani wrote: > :: > :: Open kcontrol. Under Window Behaviour you will find settings for > :: > :: Xinerama. > :: > :: > :: > :: Balaji > :: > > :: > When I go to K (on the panel) --> Configuration > :: >--> KDE --> LookNFeel --> Window Behavior > :: > > :: > and bink the "Advanced" tab, I see four xinerama entries: > :: > > :: >Enable Xinerama Support > :: >Enable Window Resistance > :: >Enable Window Placement Support > :: >Enable Window Maximize Support > :: > > :: > but they are all "greyed out" so I can not check any of them. These > :: > are precisely the functions I'd like to have working. > :: > > :: > In my far-and-wide web search for a solution I > :: > read somewhere that KDE 2.2.2 > :: > must be compiled with --enable-xinerama or some such. But I also > :: > read where someone claimed that the Mdk .rpms are, in fact, so > :: > compiled and they were still seeing the above xinerama entries grayed > :: > out. > > > > :: > Any light shed on these issues will (of course) be appreciated. > :: > > :: > Dean Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is disk fragmentation a must in windows and not in Linux
Roberto Armenteros wrote: > This is just a curiosity. Windows computers need to be > fragmented very often. On the other hand, I once read > somewhere that disk fragmentation in linux wasnt > recomended "I am not how true this is." The fact is > that disk fragmentation in linux is not often spoken > about. Is there something special about the way linux > handles the disk so it can have this privilege? I > would appreciate anyinsight about this. Roberto, I've edited your first couple sentences to be more accurate: This is just a curiosity. Windows computers need to be *defragmented* very often. On the other hand, I once read somewhere that disk defragmentation in linux *is not required*. Fragmentation is a bad thing. Disks under Windows get fragmented, meaning that pieces of a single file get scattered in different places on the disk -- among other things it makes access slower. So, you must *defragment* Windows disks which tries to put the pieces (fragments) of a file all in one place, in the right order. For reasons I don't fully understand, Linux files systems typically don't get fragmented as easily, and hence don't need to be defragmented very often if ever. However, fragmentation does occur, and some Linux file systems (at least one of the journaled file systems) has a utility for defragementing it. BTW, the fragmentation in Windows occurs on FAT16 and FAT32 partitions. I don't know whether fragmentation occurs on NTFS4 or NTFS5 file systems. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kde and xinerama question
Xineram in X is already enabled and working just fine. This was stated in my original message to which Balaji responded. The problem is that KDE is not allowing me to turn on it's "xinerama awareness". Larry Sword writes: :: Within MCC in Hardware section Display, open and enable xinerama.. :: :: :: Dean S. Messing wrote: :: > Balaji Ramani wrote: :: > :: Open kcontrol. Under Window Behaviour you will find settings for :: > :: Xinerama. :: > :: :: > :: Balaji :: > :: > When I go to K (on the panel) --> Configuration :: >--> KDE --> LookNFeel --> Window Behavior :: > :: > and bink the "Advanced" tab, I see four xinerama entries: :: > :: >Enable Xinerama Support :: >Enable Window Resistance :: >Enable Window Placement Support :: >Enable Window Maximize Support :: > :: > but they are all "greyed out" so I can not check any of them. These :: > are precisely the functions I'd like to have working. :: > :: > In my far-and-wide web search for a solution I :: > read somewhere that KDE 2.2.2 :: > must be compiled with --enable-xinerama or some such. But I also read :: > where someone claimed that the Mdk .rpms are, in fact, so compiled and :: > they were still seeing the above xinerama entries grayed out. :: > Any light shed on these issues will (of course) be appreciated. :: > :: > Dean Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT - sorry, test, ignore
Michael Holt wrote: > > Mail server died, just fixing, please ignore. > > -- Hey Michael, did that mail server die because of too much traffic on Ramsey? drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT - sorry, test, ignore
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, James wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:45:28 -0700 (PDT) > Michael Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > > > Mail server died, just fixing, please ignore. > > > Do I ignore the fact that it died or the fact that your fixing it > *grin*. > > James wait...is this a trick question? -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, "Vengence is mine saith the Lord." My prayer is, "...here am I Lord...send me!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT - sorry, test, ignore
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Michael Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > Mail server died, just fixing, please ignore. Do I ignore the fact that it died or the fact that your fixing it *grin*. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Sensors config question.
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:55:50 -0500 tom brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > On Tuesday 09 July 2002 01:21 pm, James wrote: > > > fan1:0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM > > fan2: 3970 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) > > fan3:0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM > > > per instructions from sensors-detect and all works well except I > > can't get it to ignore those 3 sensors... Tips? > > > > James > > This is from memory 'cause it's a _long_ time since I needed to do > it, but... > >Re-read the docs and take a look inside sensors.conf. I believe > there's instructions for changing the output. Might be as simple as > commenting out what you don't want. > -- > Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas I have read them and the statement is to put in the line ignore fan1 Trouble is it doesn't just wanted to know if anyone has used anything else. James > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OT - sorry, test, ignore
Mail server died, just fixing, please ignore. -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com < "AOL for Dummies" is kind of redundant, don't you think? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] X login scripting
FWIW - I was wrong, kdm was running but the netstat thing just doesn't show anything. I finally figured out how force gdm to start by editing a line in /etc/X11/prefdm. Now the scripting in Pre/PostSession to mount shares based up who log's in works fine. That file may not be the best way to get gdm running but I didn't find any other obvious ways and this one worked... Mike Rambo wrote: > > I have been wanting to set up some login scripting to mount per user > server shares from NT4 or Samba servers. After doing some reading today > on a different topic I ran across some information that said that > /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession and /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession might be used to > accomplish this task - except it doesn't. > > I actually cannot find any sign that a display manager, gdm or > otherwise, is even running on my Mandrake 8.1 system. netstat -ap | grep > dm doesn't show anything regardless whether I start a gnome or kde > session. > > This Pre/PostSession stuff appears to be a place where scripts using the > $HOME and $USER variables can accomplish what I'm trying to do on a > Redhat 7.x system. Is there any ONE location where scripting can mount > shares for any number of users on a Mandrake system? > -- Mike Rambo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Errors in /var/log/messages on LM7.2
All, I'm seeing a lot of these messages in my log on an older LM7.2 machine. There have been a very few updates to this machine in a long time. Can't find anything real useful on Google about the message though. And ideas? Jul 10 09:08:30 cyclops rpc.statd[713]: gethostbyname error for cyclops.njmc.com Jul 10 09:08:30 cyclops rpc.statd[713]: STAT_FAIL to cyclops.njmc.com for SM_MON of 192.168.2.51 John LeMay Senior Consultant NJMC, LLC. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Travan Tape drives
I always found Travans to be more trouble than they're worth. I didn't start out this way intentionally - But, I've been using all those old 2 & 3 GB drives leftover from days gone by as backups. Hard drives are so cheap now, I'm thinking about putting one of those removable caddy's in one of my cases just for backup purposes... Mike S. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of dfox > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:01 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] Travan Tape drives > > > > Anyone know any reason why I should NOT go buy a Travan, IDE > ATAPI-base tap= > > e drive and use it for Mandrake? > > Because SCSI based DAT drives work better :). Personally I have not had > a Travan-based drive, but one thing I noticed is that the cost of the > tapes themselves are rather expensive. DATs are cheaper (my dds-4's were > $5 a pop when I got them) and even though the cost of the drive may be > less expensive, if you plan on needing a number of tapes you may be > better off with DAT. > > > Matthew > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Why is disk fragmentation a must in windows and not in Linux
This is just a curiosity. Windows computers need to be fragmented very often. On the other hand, I once read somewhere that disk fragmentation in linux wasnt recomended "I am not how true this is." The fact is that disk fragmentation in linux is not often spoken about. Is there something special about the way linux handles the disk so it can have this privilege? I would appreciate anyinsight about this. Thanks a lot, Roberto __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] setting up sound in 8.2
I had similar problems, which were resolved with a quick search for alsa + via8233 (my sound card.) After doing the modprobe, I added the following lines to modules.conf and it works fine: alias snd-card-0 snd-via8233 ## your sound card mod instead of snd-via8233... alias char-major-116 snd alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss At some point, I think the entry changed from snd-card-0 to snd-slot-0, so check if that's your problem as well... (and some of those entries may be totally redundant/obsolete, but it works...) -Jason (sorry if someone else gave similar advice, I haven't been following the thread too carefully...) On Tuesday 09 July 2002 10:22, Jussi Aalto wrote: > On Tuesday 09 July 2002 02:08, Darren King wrote: > > I am still trying to get harddrake to see my sound cards. lspcidrake > > sees it, the modules load ok but nothing in harddrake about any sound > > cards. BTW, my sounds card is sharing a irq (11) with 2 ethernet cards > > and a scsi card...is this kosher? > > > > anyone know the syntax to change the irq for the sound card in > > modules.conf? I tried doing this: > > > > options sound irq=9 > > > > after the alias but it didn't work...the sound card didn't load. Wish > > mandrake had something like redhat's sndconfig. > > > > Darren > > Sndconfig is on the 1st CD. At least on download version. If your CD is > missing that you'll find it from rpmfind.net. > > Cheers, > J. -- = It was here that the thaum, hitherto believed to be the smallest possible particle of magic, was succesfully demonstrated to be made up of /resons/ (Lit.: 'Thing-ies') or reality fragments. Currently research indicates that each reson is itself made up of a combination of at least five 'flavours', known as 'up', 'down', 'sideways', 'sex appeal' and 'peppermint'. (Lords and Ladies) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SB Live 5.1 Modprobe Problem
Thanks Larry, That sorted the problem. Andy - Original Message - From: "Larry Sword" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [expert] SB Live 5.1 Modprobe Problem > Andy Napier wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm using a SB Live 5.1 under MDK 8.2 with ALSA 0.5.12a (standard install) > > and sound is OK. > > > > But for some reason modprobe (on boot) is looking for snd-card-1 through to > > 7 if I check /var/log/messages. > > > > I don't understand why it's looking for further soundcards when only 1 is > > installed on snd-card-0. > > > > If I alias the cards 0 to 7 to; > > alias snd-card-0 snd-card-emu10k1 > > alias snd-card-1 snd-card-emu10k1 > > > > etc > > > > Then the problem is gone, but this seems a fudgey way to solve it. > > > > Any hints appreciated. > > I think you can add a limiting statement to your /etc/modules.config file. > > # options snd snd_major=116 snd_cards_limit=1 > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
