Re: [expert] setting IRQ on a pci card
James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:14:05 -0400 HoytDuff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: On Sunday 11 August 2002 06:19 pm, you wrote: Hoyt, thanks could you send me links to that thread? RH suffers even more than Mandrake does on these boxes and I'd love a solid fix. Upgrade and rebuild is fine as long as the end result is a solid 8.2 BEFORE 9.0 comes out *grin* James That was the entire thread other than my post to it. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Fix it until it breaks. Hoyt thanks Still not happy here with the results/answers (Not complaining about the people who give the answers just that the answers all point to crap hardware on EVERY ones part. Where do you go for solid chipsets?) Need to keep digging. There are many names I have for this box right now. Stable is not one of them. . Somtimes I miss my k-6 James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Mostly, SiS seems solid. Never a high performer, and certainly lacking some bells and whistles--at least they are linux-friendly and less buggy than most. Crap hardware is the result of intense competition for diminishing bucks. The market is cost-sensitive and becoming more so, and the race to the marketplace prohibits extensive testing, (and most folk have software that masks the bugs of the hardware). Best of luck with your BoxOfFiftyNames. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] /bin/su Segmentation fault
Not sure what has happened, but I seemed to have a new problem after upgrading to the newest kernel put out by Mandrake to fix security holes. Regular users can su into root and other accounts. However, root causes these errors... --- as root user # su - newuser Segmentation fault # su - Segmentation fault (core dumped) # ls -l /bin/su -rwsr-xr-x1 root root17912 Mar 7 07:54 /bin/su the sudo file contains ... rootALL = (ALL) ALL and msec settings are # cat /etc/security/msec/level.local ... allow_root_login(1) enable_libsafe(1) enable_pam_wheel_for_su(0) enable_password(1) enable_sulogin(1) ... # Any ideas ? Thanks... Dan. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bad Copies of 9.0Beta2
On Sunday 11 August 2002 21:49, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Chuck Shirley wrote: On to your problem No, my luck was excellent, thanks to your help. Ten or fifteen minutes to fix the file, twenty minutes to burn the cd. And I never had to leave the command line. I think I'm in unix heaven. Thanks a million, Chuck! It was a thrill seeing it all come together. That mirror also has some md5sum file called md5sums.9.0 in the same directory as the iso images, you may want to get that as well, to do the comparison before you turn your cds. Did it, it checked out. Now I know what md5sum does and how to use it. Thanks again for the help. Good to hear you got things figured out! I was doing many things yesterday, and didn't notice your first e-mail, or I would have helped out with md5sum (it took me a while to figure it out, too). Now that you have it's basics, you can start using pipes and greps and such to help automate the check proceedure... (When you do, you'll be ahead of me, 'cause I still do it the hard way! :^) -Chuck -- +-% He's a real UNIX Man $-+-+ \ Sitting in his UNIX LAN \ Charles A. Shirley \ \ Making all his UNIX plans \ cashirley (at) comcast (dot) net \ +--# For nobody --+-+ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Fwd: memory leak
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:32:33 -0700 gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled intuitively: snippage OK, here are the results of free and top. I can see that a lot of memory is cached. So you're saying that the cached memory is actually available? free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 753750 2 0 11504 -/+ buffers/cache:234518 Swap: 784 0784 top 6:29pm up 23:15, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.18, 0.15 92 processes: 91 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 6.2% user, 30.5% system, 0.0% nice, 63.1% idle Mem: 771192K av, 768136K used,3056K free, 116K shrd, 11384K buff Swap: 803176K av, 0K used, 803176K free 514912K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 26307 apache 9 0 14388 14M 2872 S 0.0 1.8 0:04 httpd-perl 26302 apache 9 0 14228 13M 2876 S 0.0 1.8 0:04 httpd-perl 26301 apache 9 0 14092 13M 2876 S 0.0 1.8 0:04 httpd-perl 26303 apache 9 0 14032 13M 2872 S 0.0 1.8 0:03 httpd-perl 26306 apache 9 0 14024 13M 2876 S 0.0 1.8 0:03 httpd-perl 26319 apache 9 0 13964 13M 2868 S 0.0 1.8 0:02 httpd-perl 26305 apache 9 0 13848 13M 2872 S 0.7 1.7 0:02 httpd-perl 26311 apache 9 0 13316 13M 2876 S 0.0 1.7 0:02 httpd-perl 26312 apache 9 0 13120 12M 2868 S 0.0 1.7 0:03 httpd-perl 2081 root 12 0 12980 12M 1848 S 5.0 1.6 28:25 server.pl 26318 apache 9 0 12836 12M 2872 S 0.0 1.6 0:02 httpd-perl 2240 mysql 9 0 5136 5136 2168 S 0.0 0.6 0:00 mysqld 2242 mysql 8 0 5136 5136 2168 S 0.0 0.6 0:00 mysqld 2243 mysql 9 0 5136 5136 2168 S 0.0 0.6 0:00 mysqld 2244 mysql 9 0 5136 5136 2168 S 0.0 0.6 0:00 mysqld 1443 root 9 0 3888 3888 1592 S 0.0 0.5 0:00 ntpd 1447 root 9 0 3888 3888 1592 S 0.0 0.5 0:00 ntpd 1452 root 9 0 3888 3888 1592 S 0.0 0.5 0:00 ntpd 1391 snort 9 0 3624 3624 1140 S 0.3 0.4 0:25 snort 1753 xfs9 0 3448 3448 912 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 xfs 26270 root 8 0 3180 3180 2456 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 httpd-perl 1415 named 9 0 2912 2912 1768 S 0.0 0.3 0:00 named 1419 named 9 0 2912 2912 1768 S 0.0 0.3 0:00 named 1420 named 9 0 2912 2912 1768 S 0.0 0.3 0:08 named 1425 named 9 0 2912 2912 1768 S 0.0 0.3 0:00 named 1426 named 9 0 2912 2912 1768 S 0.0 0.3 0:01 named 26740 gene 9 0 2104 2104 1888 S 0.7 0.2 0:00 sshd 25221 gene 9 0 2036 2036 1652 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 imapsd 25222 admin 9 0 2012 2012 1648 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 imapsd 26738 root 9 0 1912 1912 1720 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 sshd 26299 apache 9 0 1788 1788 1488 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 httpd 26300 apache 9 0 1788 1788 1488 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 httpd 26304 apache 9 0 1784 1784 1488 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 httpd 26282 apache 9 0 1756 1756 1484 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 httpd 26308 apache 9 0 1748 1748 1484 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 httpd 26283 apache 9 0 1744 1744 1484 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 httpd 26293 apache 9 0 1744 1744 1484 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 httpd 26294 apache 9 0 1744 1744 1484 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 httpd 26295 apache 9 0 1744 1744 1484 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 httpd 26298 apache 9 0 1744 1744 1484 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 httpd 2131 root 8 0 1644 1644 1112 S 0.0 0.2 0:01 bash 26741 gene 9 0 1576 1576 1088 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 bash 26281 root 8 0 1448 1448 1272 S 0.0 0.1 0:00 httpd == Looks as if the bulk of your mem (over half a gig) is simply being cached by the system. I'm not sure that's a problem as I believe it will be released when need for apps or processes. Others, more knowledgeable might have better info for you. Mike -- Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world. -- Kaiser Wilhelm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] /bin/su Segmentation fault
On Sunday 11 August 2002 11:25 pm, you wrote: Not sure what has happened, but I seemed to have a new problem after upgrading to the newest kernel put out by Mandrake to fix security holes. ou, oh, not supposed to ever upgrade the kernel, allways install a new kernel. Regular users can su into root and other accounts. However, root causes these errors... --- as root user # su - newuser Segmentation fault # su - Segmentation fault (core dumped) # ls -l /bin/su -rwsr-xr-x1 root root17912 Mar 7 07:54 /bin/su the sudo file contains ... rootALL = (ALL) ALL and msec settings are # cat /etc/security/msec/level.local ... allow_root_login(1) enable_libsafe(1) enable_pam_wheel_for_su(0) enable_password(1) enable_sulogin(1) ... # Any ideas ? Thanks... Dan. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. But I DO have 700 meg cds x24 speed the size of cd1 is 700.9 megs so by time write info on disk leaves off 900kb of files same true for cd2 Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
jerry white wrote: Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. But I DO have 700 meg cds x24 speed the size of cd1 is 700.9 megs so by time write info on disk leaves off 900kb of files same true for cd2 Have you tried plain old command line cdrecord? Worked for me. I hear some burners just won't shoehorn so well. Mine is Yamaha 8824S. -- . . . we live in an age of paper religion. We believe more in issuing paper pronouncements on all subjects than in living our faith. The paper pronouncements of America's once Christian establishment are not many. Hence, it is assumed that the United States was never Christian. Rousas John Rushdoony, from his foreward to The Separation Illusion, by John W. Whitehead, 1977, ISBN 0-915134-41-1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:29:10 -0400 jerry white [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Jerry, I may be wrong but my expeience with a number of GUI based Burner programs is that they won't burn larger than 650mbs to a disk. Even if you have an 800mb CD-W disk and burner.(Windows and Linux don't know on MAC) But cdrecord from the command line burns well. From a command line type: cdrecord -v speed=xx dev=X,X,X -data nameofiso.iso Where the xx is the speed your burning at (I'd recommend burning at a little less than the maximum CD burners give you better results then.) and X,X,X is the dev. To find the Dev you need cdrecord -scanbus You should get an output that looks something like this. Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'ASUS' 'CRW-1610A ' '1.20' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'SanDisk ' 'ImageMate II' '1.30' Removable Disk 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * If you notice Mine has two items on the bus and my CD-RW is on 0,0,0 (commas not periods) So the command I use is.(btw -v means verbos) cdrecord -v speed=12 dev=0,0,0 -data cd1.iso James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] vpn solution
Has anyone used the links cable /DELL VPNS router with Linux or SUN? I called linksys and they only support windoz... If not has anyone used a VPN solution to secure a wireless access point? I have a linksys wireless access point and want to secure it further with a VPN. thanks dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
I have an Acer 12x8x32 burner and have had no problems burning the iso images with eroaster. Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] /bin/su Segmentation fault
On Sunday 11 August 2002 11:25 pm, you wrote: Not sure what has happened, but I seemed to have a new problem after upgrading to the newest kernel put out by Mandrake to fix security holes. ou, oh, not supposed to ever upgrade the kernel, allways install a new kernel. I do know that, and I did do an install despite what the wording used in my message. Regular users can su into root and other accounts. However, root causes these errors... --- as root user # su - newuser Segmentation fault # su - Segmentation fault (core dumped) # ls -l /bin/su -rwsr-xr-x1 root root17912 Mar 7 07:54 /bin/su the sudo file contains ... rootALL = (ALL) ALL and msec settings are # cat /etc/security/msec/level.local ... allow_root_login(1) enable_libsafe(1) enable_pam_wheel_for_su(0) enable_password(1) enable_sulogin(1) ... # Any ideas ? Thanks... Dan. Thanks... Dan. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 13:13, jerry white wrote: Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. But I DO have 700 meg cds x24 speed the size of cd1 is 700.9 megs so by time write info on disk leaves off 900kb of files same true for cd2 What sort of drive do you have? I used to have a HP drive and found out that they did not write 700Mb CDR's... Just a thought! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Club advocates: Post Positive
On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Robert Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: I'm not an expert, but doesn't Mandrake only have to provide the source for all the modifications Mandrake did. Can Mandrake NOT provide the ISOs for free? And does Mandrake need to provide the source for all the other applications, etc that they bundle up in the Mandrake distrio. The source for these programs can be found elsewhere. Can somebody please explain this to me? Actually SuSe already does this. You can't download a SuSe iso anywhere that is SuSe supported (Someone may create their own and pay for the bandwidth but SuSe doesn't) The Truth is you only have to suppy the source code With the binary So if you only sell the software only your customers would be allowed the source. So for sale only software can still be Open Source. This does beg the question of one thing. Can a License be Open Source if you cannot give away copies. IE I can sell you what I have but not give you a clone. This is akin to the problem RH had with CheapBytes, or the fact that you can't build your own car from the ground up and sell it as a Chevy, even if it's identical. GPL is about ownership not marxism. James What does Mandrake need to provide to comply with the GPL? Thanks, Robert --- KevinO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sda wrote: RS has no problem with this at all, free as in speech, not necessarily free as in beer. The heart of GNU/Linux is still free as in beer, however the ease of use necessarily isn't or shouldn't be IMHO. But RMS's license states that once I buy, download, whatever some GPL'd code, I am now free to give away this software however I please. Mandrake could run people off of their ftp servers if they wish, but they can't keep the latest versions out of the hands of the non-payers, unless they start writing code from scratch. This code would have to be totally non-derived from anything GPL'd and this would allow an alternative license. This of course would be seen as most unfriendly The situation is a little more complicated than this, but this is it in a nutshell. -- Kevin O'Connor People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Club advocates: Post Positive
On 08 Apr 2002 00:45:02 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 10:59, sda wrote: Oh so if one criticizes MandrakeSoft they're FUD throwers? Comeon, if you cannot accept criticism wisely you're nothing but a fool. Did you even begin to figure out the math that this guy is throwing around? It doesn't make sense that a business model should be based on a subscription model, when the current distro is availiable for free download. MandrakeSoft has to realize that they will sooner rather than later need to make the current version a payfor download only. Let users have the last version or two behind only for free. OH pleeze - you're nothing but a conspiracy theorist. Mandrake deserves to take some hits and some of us shareholders are watching carefully, although we do seem to be a minority around here. It truly is a pleasure to see that your disagree with this post. Given what you are and the attitudes that you have, it's always a litmus paper indicator that the correct attitudes are opposite where you stand; kind of like a broken compass that points south and the correct heading for the trip is north. I appreciate your inadvertent mindless anti-contribution. LX If i may a direct quote from the writings of Richard Stallman SNIP Since free refers to freedom, not to price, there is no contradiction between selling copies and free software. In fact, the freedom to sell copies is crucial: collections of free software sold on CD-ROMs are important for the community, and selling them is an important way to raise funds for free software development. Therefore, a program that people are not free to include on these collections is not free software. /SNIP Full text available at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/stallman.html This is from the book Open Source the Unathourized White Papers. I'd also point you to My White paper at. http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/245/ If you want my full attitude on this. Finally to quote Heinlien TNSTAAFL There's no such thing as a free lunch. This list isn't even free. I pay for it with bandwidth and HOPEFULLY answering questions that I can, correctly. In return I get my questions answered. I don't owe anyone an answer, in the sense that I asked a question one of you HAS to answer Nor do I ask why someone wants the answer or how they will use it. (Is this answer for home or corporate use? I could care.) Someone has a question I have an answer I give it because I want to. The fact is that the GPL is not a ticket to leach. It is however a ticket to ownership. I own copies of Mandrake RedHat SuSe and Redmond Linux. I paid for the disks. Mostly with Cash, Sometimes by agreeing to test and report the results of my testing. Either way I pay. James -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Club advocates: Post Positive
On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:15:25 -0400 sda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 01:47:40PM -0700, KevinO wrote: sda wrote: RS has no problem with this at all, free as in speech, not necessarily free as in beer. The heart of GNU/Linux is still free as in beer, however the ease of use necessarily isn't or shouldn't be IMHO. But RMS's license states that once I buy, download, whatever some GPL'd code, I am now free to give away this software however I please. Mandrake could run people off of their ftp servers if they wish, but they can't keep the latest versions out of the hands of the non-payers, unless they start writing code from scratch. This code would have to be totally non-derived from anything GPL'd and this would allow an alternative license. This of course would be seen as most unfriendly Unfriendly to whom? The people who have bought it previously or the ones that haven't? I don't think anybody is worried about people giving it away sans the Mandrake specific tools [if they were copyrighted - unfortunately they aren't now]. FWIU GPL allows this, doesn't it? The situation is a little more complicated than this, but this is it in a nutshell. Well, personally I think Mandrake should make their configuration tools proprietary, otherwise what is their business model? Is surely isn't the corporate market and I'm not convinced that Compaq belives strongly in Mandrake. Remember, at the end of the day, MandrakeSoft is a public *for profit* company. Now as to whether they should be is another topic and rather moot at this point in time. What tools does GM have that are proprietory? Yes they have design patents. So Ford just does the same thing with their own design. What kind of Business model is that? A Very successful one. -- -^- -^- ? ?Steve ^ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' ` Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Club advocates: Post Positive
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:25:46 -0400 sda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 12:48:55PM -0800, civileme wrote: sda wrote: SNIP I don't think anybody is worried about people giving it away sans the Mandrake specific tools [if they were copyrighted - unfortunately they aren't now]. FWIU GPL allows this, doesn't it? They have copyright notices. Look at the source. Mandrake Tools are copyrighted, and licensed under GNU GPL, and Mandrakesoft is the copyright holder. I stand corrected. Might be something for MandrakeSoft to consider[making them proprietary that is]. Probably work better with something like the BSD license however. At the least they should make the current distro only available to paying customers. Uh if they go BSD then I can take the software they write and put it under my own proprietory license without regard to the original owners. BSD is not more restrictive. In fact it simply says Here's the code do whatever you want. James -- SDA ICQ 35454764 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
jerry white wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White JerryI forwarded your incident #29035 from the mandrakeexpert, to the cooker list. below is a reply to you on that list from Daouda LO. -- Alan quoted text below Alan Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mandrakeexpert incident 29035 forwarded to cooker. jerryw813 : 11/08 12:00 : Incident created the 9.2beta iso's 1 and2 are to big to fit on a 700 meg cr-r disk what do i do? Daouda LO wrote: Jerry, 1kb = 1024 bytes which is slightly bigger than 1000 bytes 698 Mb (size of iso) = 698 * 1024*1024 = 731906048 bytes and it easily fit in a 700 Mb cr-r. -end quoted text- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
Gcombust seem to default to 74 min 650 MB. Once you have gcombust open go to the Data Files section and on the left side panel set the size to 80 min 703 MB. Larry jerry white wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FWIW, I think a good argument cxan be made that Mandrake's decision to require larger CDs is a bit of a false economy. It is bound to cause some non-negligible percentage of people problems (as we have already seen). It isn't obvious (to me, anyway) what would be the real difficulty in supplying four ordinary-sized ISO images instead. It would be interesting to hear from a Mandrake person what the rationale for the change might be. Doc PS I am doubtless in a substantial minority of readers of this list, but the only machines to which I have access and which can write CDs all run only Windows and cannot write the larger discs. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2 -- QDPGP 2.60 Comment: Key obtainable from servers: ID 0x362912B8 iQA/AwUBPVfnVGnXrLw2KRK4EQLfIgCeIFhrYMQiZz341vaJle3wlo7a/9MAoLeW yF3Y0yQtUDZM/o+2vzSi6yPh =QKYW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r SOLVED
To all that responded thanks The problem was brand of disk With TDK disks wouldnot fit with Memorex I was able to burn. I have 9,0beta installed now happily using it. Jerry White Todd Franklin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]">I have an Acer 12x8x32 burner and have had no problems burning the iso images with eroaster. Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Iptables and Quake3... (fairly long post)
I'm posting this here, because I figured it was a bit above the newbie level. If wrong, I apologise... I ran BastilleChooser, I added a rule to iptables, and I'm not able to get Quake 3, v1.31 to find my other 2 Linux comps. (or them find me). I've got Mandrake v8.2. Networking is up: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:03:6D:19:C1:B3 inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:3586 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:20960 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:659932 (644.4 Kb) TX bytes:29612358 (28.2 Mb) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xd800 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:252 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:252 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:19389 (18.9 Kb) TX bytes:19389 (18.9 Kb) ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:66.63.200.180 P-t-P:66.63.200.252 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1514 Metric:1 RX packets:1159 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1179 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:1255113 (1.1 Mb) TX bytes:105253 (102.7 Kb) and here is what iptables status gives: [root@darkforce darklord]# service iptables status Table: nat Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination DNAT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp dpt:quake3 to:192.168.0.2:27960 DNAT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp dpt:quake3 to:192.168.0.3:27960 Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Ping works great for both the other comps: [root@darkforce darklord]# ping darkforce2 PING darkforce2.com (192.168.0.2) from 192.168.0.1 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from darkforce2.com (192.168.0.2): icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=255 usec --- darkforce2.com ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 0.255/0.467/0.890/0.299 ms [root@darkforce darklord]# ping darkforce3 PING darkforce3.com (192.168.0.3) from 192.168.0.1 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from darkforce3.com (192.168.0.3): icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=261 usec --- darkforce3.com ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 0.261/0.732/1.676/0.667 ms and some other games (like armagetron) work fine. Also, both my other comps (they are my sons) dual boot with Windoze 98 se. Under Windows, we can find and play games with each other (I'm still in Linux). If I could get most of my games networking on the Linux side, on all 3 comps, I'm gonna dump Windows on all my machines (its already gone off mine). Thanks in advance! PS One other thing - on both my other comps, under Linux, during bootup, it says Iptables starts, and the message about flushing/reading rules is given. On my comp, it only says Iptables are started... Any ideas? -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Iptables and Quake3... (fairly long post)
On Monday 12 August 2002 02:23 pm, you wrote: I'm posting this here, because I figured it was a bit above the newbie level. If wrong, I apologise... Sorry, forgot to post Quake3's error output: --- Common Initialization Complete --- Opening IP socket: localhost:27960 Hostname: darkforce.com Alias: darkforce IP: 192.168.0.1 Started tty console (use +set ttycon 0 to disable) Scanning for servers on the local network... NET_SendPacket ERROR: Network is unreachable to .:27960 -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, jerry white uttered these words of wisdom: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Actually, I believe that you can fit something like 702MB on a 700MB disk and if you have a recent version of something like gcombust, it is able to recognize 700+ cd-r's. It's actually pretty straight forward. Or as it's already been mentioned, just use the commandline cdrecord and it will do the same thing. /mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com AOL for Dummies is kind of redundant, don't you think? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
jerry white wrote: Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. But I DO have 700 meg cds x24 speed the size of cd1 is 700.9 megs so by time write info on disk leaves off 900kb of files same true for cd2 Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com 734003200 is 700Mb remember MB is 2^20 not 10^6 They fit on my CDs, try TAO with no pregap. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:29:10 -0400 jerry white [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Jerry, I may be wrong but my expeience with a number of GUI based Burner programs is that they won't burn larger than 650mbs to a disk. Even if you have an 800mb CD-W disk and burner.(Windows and Linux don't know on MAC) But cdrecord from the command line burns well. From a command line type: cdrecord -v speed=xx dev=X,X,X -data nameofiso.iso Where the xx is the speed your burning at (I'd recommend burning at a little less than the maximum CD burners give you better results then.) and X,X,X is the dev. To find the Dev you need cdrecord -scanbus You should get an output that looks something like this. Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'ASUS' 'CRW-1610A ' '1.20' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'SanDisk ' 'ImageMate II' '1.30' Removable Disk 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * If you notice Mine has two items on the bus and my CD-RW is on 0,0,0 (commas not periods) So the command I use is.(btw -v means verbos) cdrecord -v speed=12 dev=0,0,0 -data cd1.iso James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com xcdroast did OK Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vpn solution
Dodd, David J wrote: Has anyone used the links cable /DELL VPNS router with Linux or SUN? I called linksys and they only support windoz... If not has anyone used a VPN solution to secure a wireless access point? I have a linksys wireless access point and want to secure it further with a VPN. thanks dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com use VNC... VPN uses a proprietary protocol as well as TCP which would require massive script overhaul. Free VNC clients are available for Windows, Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] unresolved symbols linux abi lm 8.2
Hello. I have lm 8.2 an i need to install linux abi for binaries a.out Steps cat linux-abi-2.4.18-0.patch | patch -p1 make mrproper make menuconfig (binaries modules) y guardo configuracion make dep make bzImage make modules make modules_install In this process, i have an error: depmod: unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/lcall7.o depmod: plist depmod: unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/sondcore.o depmod: sys_close make: [_modins_post] Error 1 Some idea? Thanks ___ Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] unresolved symbols linux abi lm 8.2
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] Carlos Cifuentes wrote: Hello. I have lm 8.2 an i need to install linux abi for binaries a.out Steps cat linux-abi-2.4.18-0.patch | patch -p1 make mrproper make menuconfig (binaries modules) y guardo configuracion make dep make bzImage make modules make modules_install In this process, i have an error: depmod: unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/lcall7.o depmod: plist depmod: unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/sondcore.o depmod: sys_close It looks like you're running a stock kernel patch against the Mandrake kernel. This will often not work. Try downloading the stock 2.4.18 kernel from a mirror site then patching and building. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Club advocates: Post Positive
I'm not quite sure of the roots of this email, I jumped in late. I have just read several posts in the thread and would like to add a couple of words. Even though I love using Mandrake (it's on most of my computers including my server), if it weren't around, I would choose another version. Yes, I like Mandrake's config tools, but I could live without them. I think that I heard a couple of people alluding to Mandrake making their config tools proprietary. Again, I heard other people talking about making only previous version of Mandrake free for download. Both of these things IMHO would take Mandrake off of most people's computers for good. Till Kampeter has done wonderful work with cups and printing - and I'm sure other people could name people(s) that did something great with some other aspect of Mandrake; but I don't use Suse because I can't download the latest version ISO. Linux is more than just an operating system or software at this point - it's a movement, it's an entity. It's not just one company that has put Linux together or created what it has become. It's people on developers lists world-wide and even though I sincerely appreciate the work of the developers at Mandrake, they could not have made the distribution that Linux-Mandrake is today without the help of all those people world-wide. People give suggestions and figure things out and beta test and basically take up there time for the same reason that people give time and money to churches and other organizations. People like me are using Linux and telling everyone around about it because of the absolute irritation that's created by the arrogance of a guy named Bill Gates; a man who I believe has the audacity to try and patent the air we breathe! I realize that people need to make money, but leave it in the pay for support arena. There's already several poles out there that show the biggest complaint with Linux is the lack of corporate support even when you pay for it - the market is there!! One last comment, I like to make money, who doesn't? I do believe however, that EVERYONE has a right to technology. How many people believe that it costs phone companies the $50+ per month they charge me for a cell phone? How many people think it's just right on target that I'm charged $80 per month for 1.5M/384K dsl? How many technologies are stalled simply because we have to figure out a business model for charging for the product? That's bull-crap! Everyone should be able to get dsl, it should be included in regular phone service! I'm sorry for the length of the email, but I hope there's someone out there who understands what I said and agrees. Thanks, Mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com AOL for Dummies is kind of redundant, don't you think? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
I had no problems with Gnome-Toatser on a LiteOn 32x12x40. Everything went swimmingly. On Monday 12 August 2002 02:21 pm, civileme wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:29:10 -0400 jerry white [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Jerry, I may be wrong but my expeience with a number of GUI based Burner programs is that they won't burn larger than 650mbs to a disk. Even if you have an 800mb CD-W disk and burner.(Windows and Linux don't know on MAC) But cdrecord from the command line burns well. From a command line type: cdrecord -v speed=xx dev=X,X,X -data nameofiso.iso Where the xx is the speed your burning at (I'd recommend burning at a little less than the maximum CD burners give you better results then.) and X,X,X is the dev. To find the Dev you need cdrecord -scanbus You should get an output that looks something like this. Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'ASUS' 'CRW-1610A ' '1.20' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'SanDisk ' 'ImageMate II' '1.30' Removable Disk 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * If you notice Mine has two items on the bus and my CD-RW is on 0,0,0 (commas not periods) So the command I use is.(btw -v means verbos) cdrecord -v speed=12 dev=0,0,0 -data cd1.iso James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com xcdroast did OK Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r SOLVED
On Monday August 12 2002 01:25 pm, jerry white wrote: To all that responded thanks The problem was brand of disk With TDK disks wouldnot fit with Memorex I was able to burn. I have 9,0beta installed now happily using it. 'Brand' is a misnomer when it comes to cdr's. They're rarely if ever are made by the brand they're sold under. Most are, CMC Magnetics, Ritek, or Taiyo Yuden. Ty-U's are often the best. Short of shoppin brands, greener is usually better'r, since you can't go by brands till you see the ATIP info from those you already bought. I've got half way thru a 50 spindle only to find out the cdr's were actually from two different manufacturers. IIRC it was a TDK spindle. Started out with T-U's (good stuff), rest of the spindle was Ritek (a little better than CMC, but still sort'a disappointing). As to 'read-ability', cdr media is often the weakest link, but keep in mind that cd-rw drives and cdroms use a slightly different laser wave length. Many burned CD's that a cdrom drive, specially one that's been in use for some time and the axle's gettin some wear/wobble in it, or it advertises 32x or above and sounds like a lawn mower engine spinn'n up, probly won't be very good at reading cdr's. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] header test - read if you must
:) -- daRmaTTeR Reg. Linux User #186492 Stupidity has no moral high ground! Mark Weaver (c) 2002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Correct procedure for upgrading alsa in 8.2
Hi, I have been trying to get alsa rc2 installed on my 8.2 system using kernel-2.4.18.8.1mdk-1-3mdk. It seems that the standard alsa configure;make install creates all the modules successfully, but modprobe continues to find the old modules that came as part of the kernel install. If I remove all the alsa modules installed by the kernel rpm, rc2 still builds successfully, but modprobe now can't find anything. So the trick is presumably to either point modprobe in the right direction, or to somehow remove the alsa version installed with the kernel first, or maybe to rebuild the kernel. Can anyone straighten me out on this? TIA Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] kde3 won't start since upgrading from kde 2.2.2
I have tried 5 times to upgrade to kde 3.02 and each time it won't start kde3 when I choose to login to kde3. Can anyone help me solve this problem.. I run Mandrake 8.1 Harold Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Attn: Vincent - sudo article at mandrakesecure.net
Vincent Danen grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Thu Aug 08, 2002 at 12:23:10PM -0700, David Guntner wrote: Sounds good. I'll be eagerly awaiting it. Like I said, I need to have password authentication turned on because some of my friends just flat-out aren't up to anything else. :-) But since *my* ID now effectively holds the keys to the kingdom, I want to lock it up as tight as I can. Looking around, I think it can be done, but I don't have the answer yet... My writing of the piece on openssh has been interrupted with a few other things that need to be dealt with first. I'll try to finish it up this weekend... then it will give you all kinds of tips and ideas on using openssh effectively... =) Sounds good. Let me know when it's done so I can look it over. If you sent such a notification to the group, please let me know again - I've been away for the weekend and just barely saw *this* note to reply to. If you sent another message since the one I'm replying to now, I didn't see it in the 500 pounds of E-Mail that I waded through upon my return from the camping trip :-) --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Club advocates: Post Positive
Michael Holt wrote: I'm not quite sure of the roots of this email, I jumped in late. I have just read several posts in the thread and would like to add a couple of words. Even though I love using Mandrake (it's on most of my computers including my server), if it weren't around, I would choose another version. Yes, I like Mandrake's config tools, but I could live without them. I think that I heard a couple of people alluding to Mandrake making their config tools proprietary. Again, I heard other people talking about making only previous version of Mandrake free for download. Both of these things IMHO would take Mandrake off of most people's computers for good. Till Kampeter has done wonderful work with cups and printing - and I'm sure other people could name people(s) that did something great with some other aspect of Mandrake; but I don't use Suse because I can't download the latest version ISO. Linux is more than just an operating system or software at this point - it's a movement, it's an entity. It's not just one company that has put Linux together or created what it has become. It's people on developers lists world-wide and even though I sincerely appreciate the work of the developers at Mandrake, they could not have made the distribution that Linux-Mandrake is today without the help of all those people world-wide. People give suggestions and figure things out and beta test and basically take up there time for the same reason that people give time and money to churches and other organizations. People like me are using Linux and telling everyone around about it because of the absolute irritation that's created by the arrogance of a guy named Bill Gates; a man who I believe has the audacity to try and patent the air we breathe! I realize that people need to make money, but leave it in the pay for support arena. There's already several poles out there that show the biggest complaint with Linux is the lack of corporate support even when you pay for it - the market is there!! One last comment, I like to make money, who doesn't? I do believe however, that EVERYONE has a right to technology. How many people believe that it costs phone companies the $50+ per month they charge me for a cell phone? How many people think it's just right on target that I'm charged $80 per month for 1.5M/384K dsl? How many technologies are stalled simply because we have to figure out a business model for charging for the product? That's bull-crap! Everyone should be able to get dsl, it should be included in regular phone service! I'm sorry for the length of the email, but I hope there's someone out there who understands what I said and agrees. Thanks, Mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com AOL for Dummies is kind of redundant, don't you think? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Agree, Mike. SuSE could have a much bigger market share and Caldera is now insignificant, SuSE for its closedness, and Caldera for its abysmal support, proprietary software, and per-seat licensing. I am one of the people bit by the cutbacks to keep Mandrake afloat and I STILL agree that their policy is on track. The idiots (and I can and will use that word for the lamers whose heads are so wrapped up in business they can't see five minutes into the future, now that I am not a Mandrakesoft Employee) who retreat to the tried and true business principles practiced successfully only by monopolies the minute the going gets a little rough, simply do not understand this market NOR do they notice where Mandrakesoft's assets are. The one thing Mandrake has going for it is a very very small group of engineers who have designed a marvelous product. Those folk ccould be making rwice as much somewhere else without the 90-hour weeks they voluntarily work now. Start charging for the software in the wise of closed-source or anything hinting of Bill Gates tactics and that asset will vanish so fast no one will know what happened. The caliber of people there cannot be held by offers of more money, even if there was more money to offer them. Get a clue! Make it work as free software or watch it die. Quit the sideline sniping which is unproductive and clueless. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
D. R. Evans wrote: PS I am doubtless in a substantial minority of readers of this list, but the only machines to which I have access and which can write CDs all run only Windows and cannot write the larger discs. Well, perhaps the machines you are using can't write disks larger than 650 MB, but that is not a limitation of Windows. I use Easy Cd Creator (like version 3.5 b or c) on Win95 and can burn 700 MB no problem (which, as others on the thread have pointed out) can actually be 703 MB. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
civileme wrote: 734003200 is 700Mb remember MB is 2^20 not 10^6 700 Mb is 700*10^6=700,000,000 bits. MB is 10^6 bytes. MiB is 2^20 bytes. 80 min CD's labeled 700 MB are mislabeled and actually hold 700 MiB, 734,003,200 bytes. http://www.cofc.edu/~frysingj/binprefixes.html http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html -- . . . we live in an age of paper religion. We believe more in issuing paper pronouncements on all subjects than in living our faith. The paper pronouncements of America's once Christian establishment are not many. Hence, it is assumed that the United States was never Christian. Rousas John Rushdoony, from his foreward to The Separation Illusion, by John W. Whitehead, 1977, ISBN 0-915134-41-1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Club advocates: Post Positive
On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 15:04:20 -0500 J. Craig Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: Wolfgang Bornath wrote: And for the Journalists: Which journalists? I think most of these online platforms are mere places to get your opinion read by some other who will post a controversal (?) opinion and off it goes. May be there are some ppl working for those sites as regular writers but I wouldn't regard them as journalists. wobo AMEN, brother. This is as true for the popular print media as it is for online publications. It would seem that anybody possessing the ability to opine, and that, I belive, includes just about every human on earth, has as well deluded themselves into thinking they can write too... Dr John The night tripper P.S. whether or not an s should or should not be affixed to tripper would depend greatly upon in who's presence I find myself. A big grin to the Countess... trippers. why would you be more than one at once *grin* James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] recovering files after formatting
If you ever wanted to learn about File systems now is the time. Because of the way Unix deletes recovery is quite a bit more of a bear. Unix actually deletes the file. Windows just changes the first byte from a character to an available flag. That's why norton recovery will ask you the first letter of a filename. In Unix, it's pretty well gone, from the get go. HOWEVER, there are 3 programs you can try. I've not had the best of luck on recovery, but then those drives where scrambled not reformated. http://e2undel.sourceforge.net/ --- a product called e2undel (he has a howto on quick recovery here. http://e2undel.sourceforge.net/recovery-howto.html) http://recover.sourceforge.net/linux/recover/ -- a program called recover seems to be less sophisticated than the one above. http://freshmeat.net/projects/athena-delete/?topic_id=861 No docs what so ever. Your on your own here. It's part of the Athena project from MIT so help is probably pretty scarce as well. Over all I'd go with e2undel if for no other reason than his sight is a storehouse of info on this subject. One point . unmount the partition until you are ready to start recovery. That way nothing changes on it. James On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:22:47 -0300 (EST) Paulo Justiniano Ribeiro Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: Hi First of all thanks for the replies. I should have provided a few more details in my original post. Let me clarify some points: - the partition was of the type ext2 (with home directories of the users) - the formating was done during the expert instalattion of Mandrake 8.2. I was using the partition tool provided by the installation program. I've selected the partition (and picked the wrong one...) and press the button format in the menu. It was formated as a Linux partition ext2. - I have not changed the size of the partition or any other parameter. What I meant by *untouched* is: I have not used the partition since then i.e I have not written or copy or done any other operations in it (the partition is resting in peace - as it is my data...) The damage is partial since I have a 2 weeks old backup. However there are files which would be very useul to recover and I found the question interesting on its own. Still hoping... Cheers P.J. On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Randy Kramer wrote: J. Craig Woods wrote: How will knowing the filesystem help? You say the partition is still there, and untouched. Well, my friend, if you have re-formatted the drive, it is not *untouched*. As a matter of fact, it is touched in a big way. Your data is gone, gone, gone. Now if you only deleted the partition by removing boundaries, there is help. It is complicated but you can recover data. Interesting subject that I'd like to learn more about. My impression is that Linux does something by default more like what is called a quick format in dos / Windows. IIUC, such a format doesn'tzero out all the data, but does something different which, I believe leaves the data intact on the disk, but not easily readable. Maybe there is a way to recover the data? There are ways to recover deleted files in Linux, especially if they are text files. IIUC, it is not fun -- you basically read the disk raw and then try to reassemble the files from clusters or whatever. The original poster did do a good thing (I think) if he tried to avoid using the system after he formatted the drive -- the most important thing in recovering files in dos / Windows is to stop saving files until you can run a file recovery program, as any new file might overwrite some portion of the deleted file. I know I'm mixing deleted file and formatted partition and probably confusing the issue -- may someone can clarify some of these points? Randy Kramer Paulo Justiniano Ribeiro Jr Departamento de Estatistica Universidade Federal do Parana' Caixa Postal 19.081 CEP 81.531-990 Curitiba, PR - Brasil e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~ribeiro (english) http://www.est.ufpr.br/~ribeiro (portugues) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] recovering files after formatting
On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:31:01 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: Randy Kramer wrote: There are ways to recover deleted files in Linux, especially if they are text files. IIUC, it is not fun -- you basically read the disk raw and then try to reassemble the files from clusters or whatever. The original poster did do a good thing (I think) if he tried to avoid using the system after he formatted the drive -- the most important thing in recovering files in dos / Windows is to stop saving files until you can run a file recovery program, as any new file might overwrite some portion of the deleted file. I know I'm mixing deleted file and formatted partition and probably confusing the issue -- may someone can clarify some of these points? Randy Kramer Hmm, somebody correct me if I'm wrong but if you really want to protect thatdeleted file, then you must unmount that drive, or there is a chance some other background app/daemon may use the space in question...isn't that right? -- Amen, GET That puppy unmounted ASAP if not sooner! As soon as Unix starts to write to it you're chances go down down down. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NEW Nvidia RPM's Released for LM82
I'll say thanks even though I don't use an NVIDIA card. It's nice to see this kind of info being shared. So Thanks James On 08 Apr 2002 03:18:40 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: Hey, get your new NVIDIA RPM's here! Version 2880 for LM82 -- http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=linux -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Where to get a 2.4 kernel
Dang forgot to ask one thing. Can I get a link to the driver you're testing? I'd love to put sound on this little Libretto I've got. And this would do it. James On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:18:33 +0200 Raffaele Belardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: The installation CDs contain the kernel sources. Some time ago someboy on this list mentioned that you need to install the kernel-headers RPM also, to compile. But maybe you were looking for a different version of the kernel than the one included with 8.1? regards, raffaele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I can get the latest (stable) SRPM for a Mandrake 2.4 kernel (perferably supermount-enabled) for Mandrake 8.1. I need the SRPM so that I can try out a new, obscure sound driver (pc speaker driver). I've looked in rpmfind.net and all they have are old kernels. I don't want to get the official sources because I want mandrake customisations and supermount. Also, I don't want unstable/Cooker SRPMS. Thanks, pesarif - --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Where to get a 2.4 kernel
Pesarif, http://ftp1.sourceforge.net It will redirect you according to your location click on Mandrake. The latest they have on this mirror is 8.1 and it has all the rpms and SRPMS. (remember to use http the only way to get to it is via the browser.) One note you have to do the sourceforge thing of left click on the link let the next page come up chose your download point... etc etc. But at least all of 8.1 is there. James On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:02:38 +1000 pesarif [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: Hi, Does anyone know where I can get the latest (stable) SRPM for a Mandrake 2.4 kernel (perferably supermount-enabled) for Mandrake 8.1. I need the SRPM so that I can try out a new, obscure sound driver (pc speaker driver). I've looked in rpmfind.net and all they have are old kernels. I don't want to get the official sources because I want mandrake customisations and supermount. Also, I don't want unstable/Cooker SRPMS. Thanks, pesarif Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Linux's equivalent to FreeBSD's 'watch'?
There is a watch in Linux ( man watch ) but you are right it's not as full featured as the one in BSD. I'd try this though. Grab the FreeBSD source and see if you can build it on Linux (odds are in your favor, but it could beg out.) Just don't install it in a bin directory in your path and it shouldn't cause a conflict. Talk will let you send a message to a tty, other programs may do other pieces and that's just about as close as I can get. James On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Bill Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: I've been asking this question on many a forum, but no one as of yet has had an answer which is really what I'm looking for. But as some of you may know, there's a command in FreeBSD called 'watch' that allows superuser to monitor the tty of a user logged into the system. Although this has some inherent privacy issues, it is most widely used as a troubleshooting tool to see what users are doing (or are doing incorrectly). And with the '-W' flag, they can also write to that tty. At any rate, although not completely Mandrake specific, I was wondering if anyone on the list might know of a similar tool in linux that does the same. I thought I'd come across something that's pretty standard, but in revisiting this question, I'm coming up short. I'd sure appreciate any information anyone might have. Thanks! Bill -- Did you hear that, Marge? She called me a baboon! The stupidest, ugliest, smelliest ape of them all! -- Homer Simpson Lisa's Substitute Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Flash Plugin for galeon
On 08 Apr 2002 17:41:04 -0300 Damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: El lun, 08-04-2002 a las 17:24, Oscar escribió: Hi all, Where must I put the flash plugin for use it in galeon? I downloaded the files from macromedia site and put libflashplayer.so and ShockwaveFlash.class in /usr/lib/netscape/plugins/, but galeon still can't use it. Any idea? thanks, oscar. -- yeah, galeon is based upon mozilla, not netscape. to enable flash in galeon, you have to put the plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla HTH Damian Damian, This was weird I got Oscar's thankyou 10 minutes before I got your answer to him. Twilight zone time. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] network connections - automatic retry
On 08 Apr 2002 21:38:22 -0500
Dave Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said:
On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 14:08, K Montgomery wrote:
I have a laptop that runs the netfs service on boot in order
to mount a remote Samba filesystem. However, being a laptop,
it's not always connected to the network.
Can I make it so that if netfs fails to find the Samba server
on boot, it will attempt to connect repeatedly -- say, every 5
minutes -- in case I do connect to the network later? I have
a little shell scripting experience, so any suggestions
involving that are welcome.
Create a script which will first check for the existence of your
server and share ('smbclient -L //server', then parse the output
to look for the correct share name). Then, if the server and
share exist, run smbmount with the appropriate options to mount
your samba server/share. Then, create a cron job that will run
the script every 5 minutes.
Being the worlds slowest script writer. (wanna race... you'll
win!) I'd agree but do one thing different. Set a variables
initial value to 0 then if the mount point doesn't exist it trys
to run the mount. ( a while loop maybe ) Sleeps for 6 minutes and
trys again if it finds the mount it returns 1 and it exits. If not
it does it again and again.
--
Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of
dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNAfor you are
crunchy,
and good with ketchup.
lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg
--import
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