Re: RE: [expert] Can't find my D: and E:

2002-12-20 Thread Emily Chan
sorry guys, as I have the same email address registered to different mailing list, 
just made a mistake by carelessness. Sorry if i have disturbed you guys! 

-Original Message-
From: Mcleod, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:22:21 +1100
Subject: RE: [expert] Can't find my D: and E:

umm - and this has WHAT to do with LINUX??

-Original Message-
From: Emily Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] Can't find my D: and E:


Hello,

  I was trying to install winXP in my computer this week. I had win98 then
in C: and would want to keep it and install winXP in E:. After install files
were copied, the computer was restarted but then an error occured, and I got
to know I needed to disable my Goback (made by Roxio)to avoid this error. So
I disabled my goback, but then I couldn't enter my win98 anymore. I booted
it from the floppy and could only go to DOS. And what surprised me was that
under DOS, I only found my C: (4G) and couldn't find D: (10G) and E: (6G),
however, it could detect that my whole disk is 20G (which is correct). I had
it in my other computer as the slave disk, I still couldn't find D: and E:.
And Goback can't be enabled either. So anyone knows how to find out my D:
and E:? Has anyone met such situation too? I would be so appreciate for any
info provided.

//Tinka








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Re: [expert] test command

2002-12-20 Thread ath1410
Tks for reply.
(B
(BI understand the way $test -z "" returns 0 and $test -n "" returns 1.
(B
(BWhat's puzzling me here is this.
(B
(B$test -z (there is no space after -z, no argment) returns 0 which means 'test command 
(Bthinks no argment equals to the
(Bempty string'.
(B
(BHowever, $test -n (no space after, no argment) return 0 which
(Bmeans 'test command in this case thinks no argment equals to
(BNO-empty string'.
(B
(BWhen no argment is given, why test command thinks differenly
(Bdepending on the options -z and -n. 
(B 
(BCan you help??
(B
(B
(BOn Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:44:30PM +0900, ath1410 wrote:
(B $test -z ""
(Bthis tests whether the string is empty. in this example it
(Bis, therefor exit code 0.
(B
(B 
(B But it returns different value after followings.
(B 
(B $test -n ""-- echo$? returns 1
(B $test -n   --  "   " 0
(B
(Bthis tests whether the string is NOT empty. the first one
(Bis empty, so exit code is 1. the second one isn't empty.
(Bi guess that you think that spaces count as empty strings,
(Bbut a space is a character as everyone (ascii 039), 
(Btherefor your string isnt empty and exit code is 0.
(B
(Bokey?
(B
(Bhave phun;)
(BmiLosh
(B
(B
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(B|--jmail--| * Get your own home page.|URL= http://www.servance.jp
(B+-+ * Get your own domain.|URL= http://domaintorou.com/
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[expert] ACPI et Mandrake 9.0

2002-12-20 Thread TornieriC
J'ai installe la Mandrake 9.0 sur mon portable medion. Celui-ci ne supporte que 
l'ACPI. J'ai donc installe le nouveau noyau 2.4.20.
Tout semble bien fonctionner sauf la batterie.
En effet, lorsque j'essaie de lire les informations de la batterie (cat 
/proc/acpi/battery/...), dans la  plupart des cas, cette operation declenche le 
ventilateur et bloque le systeme.

Christophe


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Re: [expert] Drowning Servers..... Literally.

2002-12-20 Thread Ron Stodden
James T. Nelson III wrote:

A quick google search for 'circuit board cleaner' turned up some results
that might help you.


I hope all of the googlers here are well aware of the new google viewer 
(could replace bugzilla!) and the new google image search (try a search 
on your surname!). Just wonderful tools!

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Re: [expert] test command

2002-12-20 Thread jipe
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:18:10 +0900
ath1410 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tks for reply.
 
 I understand the way $test -z  returns 0 and $test -n  returns 1.
 
 What's puzzling me here is this.
 
 $test -z (there is no space after -z, no argment) returns 0 which means 'test 
command thinks no argment equals to the
 empty string'.
 
 However, $test -n (no space after, no argment) return 0 which
 means 'test command in this case thinks no argment equals to
 NO-empty string'.
 
 When no argment is given, why test command thinks differenly
 depending on the options -z and -n. 
  
 Can you help??
 

this page can help you:
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/testconstructs.html

bye
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RE: Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximumcapacity

2002-12-20 Thread falcaraz
A 80Gb WD is runing fine for me.


Francisco Alcaraz
Murcia (Spain)

- Mensaje Original -
Remitente: Lorne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Miércoles, Diciembre 18, 2002 2:50 am
Asunto: Re: [expert] Western digital drives don't work?/maximum capacity

 On Tuesday 17 December 2002 12:07 pm, Todd Lyons wrote:
  Lyvim Xaphir wrote on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 09:29:51PM -0500 :
   On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 20:45, Lorne wrote:
 One question I'm wondering about right now is the 
 make/model of the
 system board. ?
   
A brand new Intel D845PEBT2 with a 2.4ghz P4 CPU.
  
   Looks like a WD problem.  Western Digital strikes out again.
 
  Maybe.  I know that the i845G has problems with the released 
 kernel, but
  do not know if the mobo that you have is the same one.
 
 It appears that this board uses the Intel 82845PE (MCH) chipset. So 
 dunno what 
 if anything that would do to it. ?? I do have some older WD drives 
 that work 
 fine as well.. I'm beginning to think it has more to do with the 
 data path 
 width of 48 bits instead of 28bits. I wonder if the kernel knows 
 how to read 
 that. ??? 
 
  Blue skies...   Todd
 
 


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[expert] IRC Chat server software

2002-12-20 Thread Tibbetts, Ric
All;
I need to set up a small (private) IRC Chat server. Can anyone recommend 
any good software?

Thanks!

	Ric

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[expert] problem with sound on mkd9 install

2002-12-20 Thread J. Grant
Hi,

I am having problems getting perminant sound out of my laptop the spec
is as follows:

Laptop Adagio (38W2) Same as DELL Inspiron 7500 Purchased June 2001

ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev 10)
maestro: Configuring ESS Maestro 2E found at IO 0x1400 IRQ 7
maestro:  subvendor id: 0x001114c0
maestro: not attempting power management.
maestro: AC97 Codec detected: v: 0x83847609 caps: 0x6940 pwr: 0xf
maestro: 1 channels configured.
maestro: version 0.15 time 17:26:57 Sep 23 2001

 From the bootup

ALSA driver (version 0.9.0rc2) is already running.
Setting mixer settings aumix:  error opening mixer  [FAILED]

/etc/modules.conf
alias sound-slot-0 maestro


$ /sbin/lsmod |grep snd
snd-es1968 14316   0 (unused)
snd-pcm55808   0 [snd-es1968]
snd-timer   9964   0 [snd-pcm]
snd-mpu401-uart 2752   0 [snd-es1968]
snd-rawmidi12864   0 [snd-mpu401-uart]
snd-seq-device  3836   0 [snd-rawmidi]
snd-ac97-codec 25508   0 [snd-es1968]
snd24804   0 [snd-es1968 snd-pcm snd-timer
snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec]
soundcore   3780   0 [snd]



$ ll /dev/sound
total 0
crw---1 now3droot  14,   3 Jan  1  1970 dsp
crw---1 now3droot  14,   0 Jan  1  1970 mixer

Other than the funky dates this looks normal, my desktop has same access
permissions.


I did the following before starting X/KDE

[root@np850 root]# service alsa restart
Shutting down ALSA sound driver (version 0.9.0rc2): [  OK  ]
[root@np850 root]# service sound restart
Loading sound module (maestro)  [  OK  ]
Loading mixer settings  [  OK  ]

it is wierd that ALSA is just stoping and not restarting!! but anyway,
sound played, but it was aobut 20% faster than it should have been.
David Bowie suddenly sounded like the BeGees!

So I rebooted, started KDE, sound was not working, Xmms was not working
etc, i  ssh'd in from another machine and did the same commands as
before, and its now playing at normal speed again! There's a star man
waiting in the sky...

So I have a rarther strange situation, I'm not sure how to make this
perminant, I could put the commands in rc.local, but it seems to only
work when I issue the commands afer X/KDE has started. Any ideas?

My laptop sound was working fine in 8.1.


Best regards


JG






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Re: [expert] Installation just stops! ?? help!

2002-12-20 Thread flacycads
Mark,
This is simplistic, but do other cdroms work in that machine? If so, the first 
thing I would check is for finger smudges or scratches on your cdrom disk. 
I've had installs stop, and rejection of cd-2 or cd-3 when asked for them. I 
couldn't figure it out, until I cleaned off the cdrom of small finger 
smudges. Then all went perfectly. It's amazing how a little smudge can 
prevent the thing from being read at a certain point, and this seems to abort 
the installs. Of course, this might not be your problem, but certainly worth 
a look.

Robert Crawford

On Friday 20 December 2002 09:14 am, Mark Weaver wrote:
 Hi List,

 I've got a good one. The machine is a Dell Optiplex
 GX100/Cel566Mhz/128MB SDRAM - (2) IDE HDD. I've had Mandrake installed
 on this machine before, but due to some mother board troubles I had to
 have the board replaced. Since placing the new mobo into the machine
 though I've not been able to get Mandrake installed. It boots fine from
 the CDROM and from a boot disk, but just as it announces it's booting
 the kernel from the CDROM to begin the installation is just stops
 displaying the kernel that it's booting.

 This really has be perplexed! I've never seen this sort of behavior
 before in any machine I've ever installed on. Anyone have any ideas as
 to what it might be?

 As far as the BIOS settings go all looks completely normal. I'm REALLY
 stumped on this one.

 Thanks,

 Mark



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Re: [expert] Installation just stops! ?? help!

2002-12-20 Thread kwan
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Mark Weaver wrote:

 Hi List,
 
 I've got a good one. The machine is a Dell Optiplex 
 GX100/Cel566Mhz/128MB SDRAM - (2) IDE HDD. I've had Mandrake installed 
 on this machine before, but due to some mother board troubles I had to 
 have the board replaced. Since placing the new mobo into the machine 
 though I've not been able to get Mandrake installed. It boots fine from 
 the CDROM and from a boot disk, but just as it announces it's booting 
 the kernel from the CDROM to begin the installation is just stops 
 displaying the kernel that it's booting.

There's a memory checking utility on one of the Mandrake disks. I've
seen several cases where bad memory turned out to the culprit. It would boot
fine, even run DOS programs fine, but fail whenever Linux tried to
access the memory. 


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Re: [expert] IRC Chat server software

2002-12-20 Thread Jack Coates
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 05:16, Tibbetts, Ric wrote:
 All;
 I need to set up a small (private) IRC Chat server. Can anyone recommend 
 any good software?
 
 Thanks!

I've always just used ircd -- easy like pie. The challenge is in
choosing and configuring a bot :-)
-- 
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Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture...



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[expert] Installation just stops! ?? help!

2002-12-20 Thread Mark Weaver
Hi List,

I've got a good one. The machine is a Dell Optiplex 
GX100/Cel566Mhz/128MB SDRAM - (2) IDE HDD. I've had Mandrake installed 
on this machine before, but due to some mother board troubles I had to 
have the board replaced. Since placing the new mobo into the machine 
though I've not been able to get Mandrake installed. It boots fine from 
the CDROM and from a boot disk, but just as it announces it's booting 
the kernel from the CDROM to begin the installation is just stops 
displaying the kernel that it's booting.

This really has be perplexed! I've never seen this sort of behavior 
before in any machine I've ever installed on. Anyone have any ideas as 
to what it might be?

As far as the BIOS settings go all looks completely normal. I'm REALLY 
stumped on this one.

Thanks,

Mark


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Re: [expert] IRC Chat server software

2002-12-20 Thread Tibbetts, Ric
Jack Coates wrote:

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 05:16, Tibbetts, Ric wrote:


All;
I need to set up a small (private) IRC Chat server. Can anyone


recommend 

any good software?

Thanks!



I've always just used ircd -- easy like pie. The challenge is in
choosing and configuring a bot :-)



Thanks! I'm looking at it now. I noticed that Mandrake includes a line 
in /etc/services for ircd, on the usual port 6667.

Bots:   eggdrop?


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Re: [expert] IRC Chat server software

2002-12-20 Thread Tibbetts, Ric
Jack Coates wrote:

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 05:16, Tibbetts, Ric wrote:


All;
I need to set up a small (private) IRC Chat server. Can anyone


recommend 

any good software?

Thanks!



I've always just used ircd -- easy like pie. The challenge is in
choosing and configuring a bot :-)



One more thing. Have you worked up an entry for xinetd? Or are you not 
starting it from there?

Thanks again!!!

Ric

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Re: [expert] IRC Chat server software

2002-12-20 Thread Brian
Eggdrop is a pretty solid bot.  Can authenticate users on multiple
channels, kick and ban unwanted people and keep track of who attempts to
attack the bot.  Does not require you to have a workstation running just
to keep bot alive as bot runs from any server.


On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:15:45 -0500
Tibbetts, Ric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack Coates wrote:
  On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 05:16, Tibbetts, Ric wrote:
  
 All;
 I need to set up a small (private) IRC Chat server. Can anyone
  
  recommend 
  
 any good software?
 
 Thanks!
  
  
  I've always just used ircd -- easy like pie. The challenge is in
  choosing and configuring a bot :-)
  
 
 One more thing. Have you worked up an entry for xinetd? Or are you not 
 starting it from there?
 
 Thanks again!!!
 
 Ric
 


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Re: [expert] image editor for postscript?

2002-12-20 Thread Praedor Atrebates
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On Thursday 19 December 2002 06:56 pm, H. Narfi Stefansson wrote:
 Quoting Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[...]
  I am having a major problem trying to edit a postscript image.  I have a
  journal article, pdf format, that I've converted to postscript.  There is
  a figure in this paper that I need.  I cannot extract it with tools like
[...]
 I don't know of any tool that lets you edit postscript files. However, if
 you only need the figure, and you don't mind going into a pixel based
 format, why not use gs?
 gs -sDEVICE=ppmraw -r200 -q -dNOPAUSE -sOutputFile=pic.ppm -- pic.ps
 converts pic.ps into a ppm file. Change -r200 if you need a higher
[...]

Thank you.  That was the trick that pulled it off.  Gimp didn't do as much of 
a hackjob on it when I used it to crop and resize the figure/image.

praedor
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Re: [expert] Installation just stops! ?? help!

2002-12-20 Thread flacycads
Hmm.. Since it happened with 8.2 also, here's another thing I thought of. 
Since you changed boards, have you checked the new bios, and made sure the 
PNP OS is not selected. That's the usual default setting, and that will 
hang a Mandrake install.

On Friday 20 December 2002 09:29 am, Mark Weaver wrote:
 flacycads wrote:
   Mark, This is simplistic, but do other cdroms work in that machine?
   If so, the first thing I would check is for finger smudges or
   scratches on your cdrom disk. I've had installs stop, and rejection
   of cd-2 or cd-3 when asked for them. I couldn't figure it out, until
   I cleaned off the cdrom of small finger smudges. Then all went
   perfectly. It's amazing how a little smudge can prevent the thing
   from being read at a certain point, and this seems to abort the
   installs. Of course, this might not be your problem, but certainly
   worth a look.
  
   Robert Crawford

 Hi Robert,

 I hadn't thought of that and will definately check it out. The one thing
 that makes me wonder though is that the very same thing happened when I
 attempted to load Mandrake 8.2 as well as 9.0. But I will check the
 finger smudges first.

 Mark



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[expert] DVD wierdness

2002-12-20 Thread Robert Goshko
Greetings all,

I have a home brew DVD-R (general) that I have burned with a
pile-o-files, but my Linux machine is having trouble reading the files
from the disc.

Drive info:

 Model=TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R2002, FwRev=1Q35, SerialNo=
 Config={ Fixed Removeable DTR=5Mbs DTR10Mbs nonMagnetic }
 RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=0
 (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2
 AdvancedPM=no
 Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D revision 3:  2 3 4 5

Mount point:

 without devfs = /dev/scd0
with devfs = /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0/cd

I'm using Mdk 9.0 on a Compaq Presario 725CA.

I tested the same disc on the same machine booted into WinXP Home
gollum voice=onit burns/gollum, and the disc can be read fine.

Anybody have an idea of what this is, my original thought was devfs as I
usually DON'T use it because my MicroDrive refuses to work with it.

Thanks.

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Re: [expert] problem with sound on mkd9 install

2002-12-20 Thread J. Grant
Hi,
It is working currently, after changing the module to es1968 
specifically in mdk control centre (which updated /etc/modules.conf)

David Bowie is playing a reasonable speed again :)

JG

J. Grant wrote:
Hi,

I am having problems getting perminant sound out of my laptop the spec
is as follows:

Laptop Adagio (38W2) Same as DELL Inspiron 7500 Purchased June 2001

ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev 10)
maestro: Configuring ESS Maestro 2E found at IO 0x1400 IRQ 7
maestro:  subvendor id: 0x001114c0
maestro: not attempting power management.
maestro: AC97 Codec detected: v: 0x83847609 caps: 0x6940 pwr: 0xf
maestro: 1 channels configured.
maestro: version 0.15 time 17:26:57 Sep 23 2001

 From the bootup

ALSA driver (version 0.9.0rc2) is already running.
Setting mixer settings aumix:  error opening mixer  [FAILED]

/etc/modules.conf
alias sound-slot-0 maestro


$ /sbin/lsmod |grep snd
snd-es1968 14316   0 (unused)
snd-pcm55808   0 [snd-es1968]
snd-timer   9964   0 [snd-pcm]
snd-mpu401-uart 2752   0 [snd-es1968]
snd-rawmidi12864   0 [snd-mpu401-uart]
snd-seq-device  3836   0 [snd-rawmidi]
snd-ac97-codec 25508   0 [snd-es1968]
snd24804   0 [snd-es1968 snd-pcm snd-timer
snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec]
soundcore   3780   0 [snd]



$ ll /dev/sound
total 0
crw---1 now3droot  14,   3 Jan  1  1970 dsp
crw---1 now3droot  14,   0 Jan  1  1970 mixer

Other than the funky dates this looks normal, my desktop has same access
permissions.


I did the following before starting X/KDE

[root@np850 root]# service alsa restart
Shutting down ALSA sound driver (version 0.9.0rc2): [  OK  ]
[root@np850 root]# service sound restart
Loading sound module (maestro)  [  OK  ]
Loading mixer settings  [  OK  ]

it is wierd that ALSA is just stoping and not restarting!! but anyway,
sound played, but it was aobut 20% faster than it should have been.
David Bowie suddenly sounded like the BeGees!

So I rebooted, started KDE, sound was not working, Xmms was not working
etc, i  ssh'd in from another machine and did the same commands as
before, and its now playing at normal speed again! There's a star man
waiting in the sky...

So I have a rarther strange situation, I'm not sure how to make this
perminant, I could put the commands in rc.local, but it seems to only
work when I issue the commands afer X/KDE has started. Any ideas?

My laptop sound was working fine in 8.1.


Best regards


JG








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Re: [expert] problem with sound on mkd9 install

2002-12-20 Thread J. Grant
Hi,
It is working currently, after changing the module to es1968
specifically in mdk control centre (which updated /etc/modules.conf)

David Bowie is playing a reasonable speed again :)

JG

J. Grant wrote:

Hi,

I am having problems getting perminant sound out of my laptop the spec
is as follows:

Laptop Adagio (38W2) Same as DELL Inspiron 7500 Purchased June 2001

ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev 10)
maestro: Configuring ESS Maestro 2E found at IO 0x1400 IRQ 7
maestro:  subvendor id: 0x001114c0
maestro: not attempting power management.
maestro: AC97 Codec detected: v: 0x83847609 caps: 0x6940 pwr: 0xf
maestro: 1 channels configured.
maestro: version 0.15 time 17:26:57 Sep 23 2001

 From the bootup

ALSA driver (version 0.9.0rc2) is already running.
Setting mixer settings aumix:  error opening mixer  [FAILED]

/etc/modules.conf
alias sound-slot-0 maestro


$ /sbin/lsmod |grep snd
snd-es1968 14316   0 (unused)
snd-pcm55808   0 [snd-es1968]
snd-timer   9964   0 [snd-pcm]
snd-mpu401-uart 2752   0 [snd-es1968]
snd-rawmidi12864   0 [snd-mpu401-uart]
snd-seq-device  3836   0 [snd-rawmidi]
snd-ac97-codec 25508   0 [snd-es1968]
snd24804   0 [snd-es1968 snd-pcm snd-timer
snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec]
soundcore   3780   0 [snd]



$ ll /dev/sound
total 0
crw---1 now3droot  14,   3 Jan  1  1970 dsp
crw---1 now3droot  14,   0 Jan  1  1970 mixer

Other than the funky dates this looks normal, my desktop has same access
permissions.


I did the following before starting X/KDE

[root@np850 root]# service alsa restart
Shutting down ALSA sound driver (version 0.9.0rc2): [  OK  ]
[root@np850 root]# service sound restart
Loading sound module (maestro)  [  OK  ]
Loading mixer settings  [  OK  ]

it is wierd that ALSA is just stoping and not restarting!! but anyway,
sound played, but it was aobut 20% faster than it should have been.
David Bowie suddenly sounded like the BeGees!

So I rebooted, started KDE, sound was not working, Xmms was not working
etc, i  ssh'd in from another machine and did the same commands as
before, and its now playing at normal speed again! There's a star man
waiting in the sky...

So I have a rarther strange situation, I'm not sure how to make this
perminant, I could put the commands in rc.local, but it seems to only
work when I issue the commands afer X/KDE has started. Any ideas?

My laptop sound was working fine in 8.1.


Best regards


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Re: RE: [expert] Can't find my D: and E:

2002-12-20 Thread Lorne
On Friday 20 December 2002 01:01 am, Emily Chan wrote:
 sorry guys, as I have the same email address registered to different
 mailing list, just made a mistake by carelessness. Sorry if i have
 disturbed you guys!

Well since you are here booting to DOS chances are you will NOT see those 
partitions from DOS. NTFS don't exist as far as DOS is concerned. You should 
be able to see something from FDISK. My guess is you could boot to dos and 
fix the boot loader and you should be good to go. Just reinstall XP and it 
should fix it. To get back to scratch do a sys C:. If it still doesn't work 
do a fdisk /mbr then a sys c:. good luck.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mcleod, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:22:21 +1100
 Subject: RE: [expert] Can't find my D: and E:

 umm - and this has WHAT to do with LINUX??

 -Original Message-
 From: Emily Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:59 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [expert] Can't find my D: and E:


 Hello,

   I was trying to install winXP in my computer this week. I had win98 then
 in C: and would want to keep it and install winXP in E:. After install
 files were copied, the computer was restarted but then an error occured,
 and I got to know I needed to disable my Goback (made by Roxio)to avoid
 this error. So I disabled my goback, but then I couldn't enter my win98
 anymore. I booted it from the floppy and could only go to DOS. And what
 surprised me was that under DOS, I only found my C: (4G) and couldn't find
 D: (10G) and E: (6G), however, it could detect that my whole disk is 20G
 (which is correct). I had it in my other computer as the slave disk, I
 still couldn't find D: and E:. And Goback can't be enabled either. So
 anyone knows how to find out my D: and E:? Has anyone met such situation
 too? I would be so appreciate for any info provided.

 //Tinka



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Re: [expert] Installation just stops! ?? help!

2002-12-20 Thread Mark Weaver
flacycads wrote:
 Mark, This is simplistic, but do other cdroms work in that machine?
 If so, the first thing I would check is for finger smudges or
 scratches on your cdrom disk. I've had installs stop, and rejection
 of cd-2 or cd-3 when asked for them. I couldn't figure it out, until
 I cleaned off the cdrom of small finger smudges. Then all went
 perfectly. It's amazing how a little smudge can prevent the thing
 from being read at a certain point, and this seems to abort the
 installs. Of course, this might not be your problem, but certainly
 worth a look.

 Robert Crawford


Hi Robert,

I hadn't thought of that and will definately check it out. The one thing 
that makes me wonder though is that the very same thing happened when I 
attempted to load Mandrake 8.2 as well as 9.0. But I will check the 
finger smudges first.

Mark


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Re: [expert] problem with sound on mkd9 install

2002-12-20 Thread Stefano Pogliani
The HW list in the Control Centre DOES NOT display my Card. Nothing !
Actually, when I add the cs4232 module to modules.conf (as I was doing 
with MDK 8.2...), it does not make any difference too. My card, a 
Crystal Sound 4232 is not recognized.

When I use sndconfig (outside of the X Windows environment) it takes a 
lng time to detect something, then it detects a Crystal Sound 4232 
GAME (I have never seen this GAME label in other versions of MDK) and 
then it is unable to play any sound !

When I use the Sound Server in KDE, it does not produce any sound but it 
always complain about the fact that there I should run artswrapper

So, my card is a Crystal Sound 4232. I am on a Dell Precision 610 
(minitower).

TIA

/Stefano

J. Grant wrote:

hi

ok, go to the control centre, ouais c'est centre en anglais aussi !

Clique Hardware-Hardware list, then click on your sound card, maybe 
you can change the driver or option there, mine has 2 different 
drivers available.

If not look in the kernel sources /usr/src/linux/doc

please email me on the list if you want further infomation, as 
everyone else can help then too!

ciao


JG

Stefano Pogliani wrote:

JG,

would you mind to help me? I do not have your sound card but actually 
I am not having ANY SOUND out of my MDK 9.0
I do not know at all how to use ALSA (how to try it... as a last 
resort). I have a Crystal Sound 4232.

If you could help, thanks a lot!!

/stefano

(In MDK Control Center I do not see any info about Sound)


J. Grant wrote:

Hi,
It is working currently, after changing the module to es1968 
specifically in mdk control centre (which updated /etc/modules.conf)

David Bowie is playing a reasonable speed again :)

JG

J. Grant wrote:

Hi,

I am having problems getting perminant sound out of my laptop the spec
is as follows:

Laptop Adagio (38W2) Same as DELL Inspiron 7500 Purchased June 2001

ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev 10)
maestro: Configuring ESS Maestro 2E found at IO 0x1400 IRQ 7
maestro: subvendor id: 0x001114c0
maestro: not attempting power management.
maestro: AC97 Codec detected: v: 0x83847609 caps: 0x6940 pwr: 0xf
maestro: 1 channels configured.
maestro: version 0.15 time 17:26:57 Sep 23 2001

From the bootup

ALSA driver (version 0.9.0rc2) is already running.
Setting mixer settings aumix: error opening mixer [FAILED]

/etc/modules.conf
alias sound-slot-0 maestro


$ /sbin/lsmod |grep snd
snd-es1968 14316 0 (unused)
snd-pcm 55808 0 [snd-es1968]
snd-timer 9964 0 [snd-pcm]
snd-mpu401-uart 2752 0 [snd-es1968]
snd-rawmidi 12864 0 [snd-mpu401-uart]
snd-seq-device 3836 0 [snd-rawmidi]
snd-ac97-codec 25508 0 [snd-es1968]
snd 24804 0 [snd-es1968 snd-pcm snd-timer
snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec]
soundcore 3780 0 [snd]



$ ll /dev/sound
total 0
crw--- 1 now3d root 14, 3 Jan 1 1970 dsp
crw--- 1 now3d root 14, 0 Jan 1 1970 mixer

Other than the funky dates this looks normal, my desktop has same 
access
permissions.


I did the following before starting X/KDE

[root@np850 root]# service alsa restart
Shutting down ALSA sound driver (version 0.9.0rc2): [ OK ]
[root@np850 root]# service sound restart
Loading sound module (maestro) [ OK ]
Loading mixer settings [ OK ]

it is wierd that ALSA is just stoping and not restarting!! but anyway,
sound played, but it was aobut 20% faster than it should have been.
David Bowie suddenly sounded like the BeGees!

So I rebooted, started KDE, sound was not working, Xmms was not working
etc, i ssh'd in from another machine and did the same commands as
before, and its now playing at normal speed again! There's a star man
waiting in the sky...

So I have a rarther strange situation, I'm not sure how to make this
perminant, I could put the commands in rc.local, but it seems to only
work when I issue the commands afer X/KDE has started. Any ideas?

My laptop sound was working fine in 8.1.


Best regards


JG








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Re: [expert] IRC Chat server software

2002-12-20 Thread Vincent Danen

On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 06:16 AM, Tibbetts, Ric wrote:


All;
I need to set up a small (private) IRC Chat server. Can anyone 
recommend any good software?

I used the package just called irc, version 2.10.3p1.  Might also be 
called ircd; not sure where I grabbed it, and a certain patch for it, 
from.  I can send both to you, if you like.

I'm running it chroot on one public machine for the secteam, only 
listening to the localhost interface.  The secteam then has to ssh in 
to one account, which only does port forwarding to that port.

Makes a great secure IRC server.  Also allows me to make sure that only 
the people whom I want to grant access can get onto the server, and 
ensures all of our communication is encrypted.  On the client end, one 
connects to localhost:6667 after establishing the ssh connection.

I'll do a writeup of this one of these days with links to all of the 
appropriate software.  It will probably help me too because I really 
don't remember what I all did to get it up and running.  =)

I'll warn you that many IRCd packages are serious PITA to deal with.

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RE: [expert] IRC Chat server software

2002-12-20 Thread Franki
I'd be really interested in that also..

I would like to create a company IRC server for the IT team...
encrypted would be great too..

Also, being able to access from remote locations on a secure encrypted
channel would be necessary..

Anyone that could help with this would be fantastic..

If you write it up,, i'll be the first one singing your praises. :-)

a mandrake contribs rpm would be great too. :-)


rgds

Frank

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 06:16 AM, Tibbetts, Ric wrote:

 All;
 I need to set up a small (private) IRC Chat server. Can anyone
 recommend any good software?

I used the package just called irc, version 2.10.3p1.  Might also be
called ircd; not sure where I grabbed it, and a certain patch for it,
from.  I can send both to you, if you like.

I'm running it chroot on one public machine for the secteam, only
listening to the localhost interface.  The secteam then has to ssh in
to one account, which only does port forwarding to that port.

Makes a great secure IRC server.  Also allows me to make sure that only
the people whom I want to grant access can get onto the server, and
ensures all of our communication is encrypted.  On the client end, one
connects to localhost:6667 after establishing the ssh connection.

I'll do a writeup of this one of these days with links to all of the
appropriate software.  It will probably help me too because I really
don't remember what I all did to get it up and running.  =)

I'll warn you that many IRCd packages are serious PITA to deal with.

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Re: [expert] Installation just stops! ?? help!

2002-12-20 Thread Mark Weaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Mark Weaver wrote:


 Hi List,

 I've got a good one. The machine is a Dell Optiplex
 GX100/Cel566Mhz/128MB SDRAM - (2) IDE HDD. I've had Mandrake
 installed on this machine before, but due to some mother board
 troubles I had to have the board replaced. Since placing the new
 mobo into the machine though I've not been able to get Mandrake
 installed. It boots fine from the CDROM and from a boot disk, but
 just as it announces it's booting the kernel from the CDROM to
 begin the installation is just stops displaying the kernel that
 it's booting.


 There's a memory checking utility on one of the Mandrake disks. I've
 seen several cases where bad memory turned out to the culprit. It
 would boot fine, even run DOS programs fine, but fail whenever Linux
 tried to access the memory.


yup...saw that there while I was poking around making a boot disk. 
However, as soon as I removed the secondary video card and switched the 
onboard video card to on, the darn thing worked perfectly. Darndest 
thing I've ever seen!

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Re: [expert] test command

2002-12-20 Thread milosh
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 12:48:01PM +0100, jipe wrote:
 On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:18:10 +0900
 ath1410 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  $test -z (there is no space after -z, no argment) returns 0 which means 'test 
command thinks no argment equals to the
  empty string'.
  
  However, $test -n (no space after, no argment) return 0 which
  means 'test command in this case thinks no argment equals to
  NO-empty string'.
  
  When no argment is given, why test command thinks differenly
  depending on the options -z and -n. 
  
oh, didn't saw that. ok. this' kinda twisted to understand. 
first of all, in the '-z' example u r giving a string, 
which means 'test' has something to test for. depending on
the argument, it returns its exit code.

the '-n' example u showed has NO argument, which means 'test'
has nothing to test for. it returns zero.

i understand ur confusion. it is common in programms to return 
a 0 value if a needed argument is missing. but this is 
not a programm, it's a shell builtin. end you do not got the
exit code from the command explizitly, but from that what
happend for the shell (namely bash, 4example).

so what happens for the shell? a 'strace test -n' reveals
here many secrets ;). the shell takes the command, validates
it, than takes the option, validates it. than nothing more is
to do. no more 'commands' r available to the shell. now here
plays strace. as u may see at the very end, it makes a close of
a library it opened befor to get ur locale. the close is 
successful, end THIS returns your exit (0).

clear now?

hope didn't confused u more, hehe.


 
 this page can help you:
 http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/testconstructs.html
nice site, but doesnt explain he's problem. at least i
didn't found an explanation there.

have phun ;)
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Re: [expert] Can't find my D: and E:

2002-12-20 Thread Jim C
What it has to do with Linux is that it is a side effect of Linux 
installation and should be dealt with accordingly for newbie-help / 
ease-of-use reasons.  C'mon guys.  Don't be so territorial. ;-)
We don't need to bristle up every time the M-word is mentioned.  I mean 
surely we open source folks are not M$ and as a consequence *should* be 
concerned ( at least more than M$ is ) with compatibility and 
interoperability.  These two words are part of the real beauty of Linux 
after all. :-)

Unfortunately I don't myself know the answer to the question, otherwise 
I would have happily provided it.  I haven't owned a laptop in a very 
long time due to sftp and similar protocols that facilitate remote access.

Jim C.

Mcleod, Ian wrote:
 umm - and this has WHAT to do with LINUX??

David Guntner wrote:
I'm completely at a loss for how this has anything to do with Mandrake
Linux, or even Linux in general, in any way, shape, or form






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Re: [expert] Can't find my D: and E: ANOTHER THING

2002-12-20 Thread Gonzalo Avaria
Hi guys, well i was reading the answer that jim wrote and noted that you say 
that a laptop don't connect with sftp??? i don't have a laptop but will need 
one, because i'm going to do a Ph. D. outside and i'm going to buy a laptop 
because i cannot take mi box with me. 
So i need to know if there is oinly one model or are all laptop the same???
thanks 4 your time.
saludos



On Friday 20 December 2002 17:17, Jim C wrote:
 Unfortunately I don't myself know the answer to the question, otherwise
 I would have happily provided it.  I haven't owned a laptop in a very
 long time due to sftp and similar protocols that facilitate remote access.

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Re: [expert] test command

2002-12-20 Thread Dean S. Messing

 :: Tks for reply.
 :: 
 :: I understand the way $test -z  returns 0 and $test -n  returns 1.
 :: 
 :: What's puzzling me here is this.
 :: 
 :: $test -z (there is no space after -z, no argment) returns 0 which means
 :: 'test command thinks no argment equals to the
 :: empty string'.
 :: 
 :: However, $test -n (no space after, no argment) return 0 which
 :: means 'test command in this case thinks no argment equals to
 :: NO-empty string'.
 :: 
 :: When no argment is given, why test command thinks differenly
 :: depending on the options -z and -n. 
 ::  
 :: Can you help??

Maybe.  What I'll say is based on years old knowledge so it may be
slightly off in the details (I hardly used `vargs' in my progamming
days) but the idea of what's happening will remain intact.

When, at the prompt (==), you type something like:

==command Arg1 Arg2

The shell first splits the line into strings arg0, arg1, arg2
and assigns the elements of the commandline to them:

arg0 = command
arg1 = Arg1
arg2 = Arg2

Whitespace, i.e., spaces, newlines, and tabs in between, before, and after
the elements on the commandline is (as I recall) discarded
so that if, say, Arg2 is not supplied, then string arg2 will not be
defined in the application you are running.

In particular, then, lets say you type:

==test -n foo

Within `test'  string arg1 = -n and string arg2 = foo
and the test is meaningful and will return TRUE
becuase `-n'  says (is arg2 a sting) AND (is arg2 not empty)
which is true.

Likewise if arg2 =  (the empty string) will return false.

However for

==test -nspacesCR

or just

==test -nCR

where spaces stands for spaces and CR stands for the the newline,
arg2 is _undefined_ which means it is not even in the category of string
much less the empty string (which is still something. namely \0 in memory).

So `test' is saying to itself I have no arg2 to test against.
Formally, 

   arg2 does not exist == arg2 is not a string.

Hence you get an automatic false.  Likewise for -z and no
following argument.


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  Information Systems Technologies Dept.
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Re: [expert] DVD wierdness - An even wierder solution

2002-12-20 Thread Robert Goshko
Now it is working, and the solution doesn't make complete sense:

I checked around on the web to see if there awas a Firmware upgrade for
my DVD/CD-RW drive, I didn't find one, but I did find a firmware hack
that disabled the region locking on my drive.  After applying this, it
can now read my home made DVD-R data disc!?!?

WTF, if anybody can shed some light on this, please let me know (just
for the fact that I would like to know).

It works, I'm happy (albeit a little perplexed). 

On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 09:18, Robert Goshko wrote:
 Greetings all,
 
 I have a home brew DVD-R (general) that I have burned with a
 pile-o-files, but my Linux machine is having trouble reading the files
 from the disc.
 
 Drive info:
 
  Model=TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R2002, FwRev=1Q35, SerialNo=
  Config={ Fixed Removeable DTR=5Mbs DTR10Mbs nonMagnetic }
  RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
  BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=0
  (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0
  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2
  AdvancedPM=no
  Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D revision 3:  2 3 4 5
 
 Mount point:
 
  without devfs = /dev/scd0
 with devfs = /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0/cd
 
 I'm using Mdk 9.0 on a Compaq Presario 725CA.
 
 I tested the same disc on the same machine booted into WinXP Home
 gollum voice=onit burns/gollum, and the disc can be read fine.
 
 Anybody have an idea of what this is, my original thought was devfs as I
 usually DON'T use it because my MicroDrive refuses to work with it.
 
 Thanks.
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Re: [expert] Installation just stops! ?? help!

2002-12-20 Thread Jim C
I once burned a Mandrake distro at 14X and later discovered that the 
media was only rated for 8X.  Pushy bastard that I am, I reburned it at 
10X and it came out fine.  ;-)

Anyway the install problems with the improperly burned CDs were similar 
to those described.  So, ya, could be bad CDs.

Mark Weaver wrote:
Hi List,

I've got a good one. The machine is a Dell Optiplex 
GX100/Cel566Mhz/128MB SDRAM - (2) IDE HDD. I've had Mandrake installed 
on this machine before, but due to some mother board troubles I had to 
have the board replaced. Since placing the new mobo into the machine 
though I've not been able to get Mandrake installed. It boots fine from 
the CDROM and from a boot disk, but just as it announces it's booting 
the kernel from the CDROM to begin the installation is just stops 
displaying the kernel that it's booting.

This really has be perplexed! I've never seen this sort of behavior 
before in any machine I've ever installed on. Anyone have any ideas as 
to what it might be?

As far as the BIOS settings go all looks completely normal. I'm REALLY 
stumped on this one.

Thanks,

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Re: [expert] can anyone advise on Prism 2.5 based PCI card configuration?

2002-12-20 Thread Simon Ree
Mcleod, Ian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Running Mandrake 9.0
 
 any pointers on getting a Dlink MA311 Prism 2.5 PCI based card working under
 Mandrake?
 
 No luck yet - hardware list displays the card - but nothing beyond that..
 

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mcc 
configure your network through the wizard, don't worry about specifics
iwconfig 
iwconfig eth1 essid linksys  *sub your eth number  replace linksys
with whatever

you should be up

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Re: [expert] boot partition

2002-12-20 Thread Norman Zhang
I resolved this by moving the service partition to /sdb1 and reinstall LM
9.0 to /sda1. LILO then boots fine.

Norman

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Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:26 PM
Subject: [expert] boot partition


 I have an Intel Server (SE7500WV2S) that comes with Intel server monitor
 software. The software is installed on the a service partition on the
first
 disk (/sda1). Then I installed LM9.0 with boot partition on (/sda5). But
 system won't boot even I set LILO to load /sda5 during the setup process.
 When I turn on the computer I see ... on the screen. Would someone
 please help?



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[expert] samba upgrade

2002-12-20 Thread Norman Zhang
Hi,

LM 9.0 can setup to authenticate using winbind. When I do wbinfo -u, only
users of my NT domain is listed,

e.g.,
user_a
user_b
...

Now I upgrade to 2.2.7 using Mandrake update, and wbinfo -u, I see

e.g.,
DOMAIN\user_a
DOMAIN\user_b
...

How do I make DOMAIN go away?

Regards,
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[expert] Adding a DVD/CDR combo in 9.0

2002-12-20 Thread John Haywood
I've just added a DVD(ro)/CDR combo drive in to my system, and I thought I had 
configured correctly:

/dev/cdrom is linked to cdroms/cdrom0, which is linked to 
../scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0/cd

the scsi modules are loaded, but ...

1. cdrecord -scanbus errors
2. no dvd

any ideas or url? The dvd howto is hopelessly out-of-date (no devfs..)

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Re: [expert] test command

2002-12-20 Thread ath1410
Tks Mr.miLosh  Mr.Dean,
(B
(BThis problem is getting clear now. However, let me please
(Bask one more question that still remains in me.
(B
(BMr.miLosh advised;
(B
(Bfirst of all, in the '-z' example u r giving a string, 
(Bwhich means 'test' has something to test for. depending on
(Bthe argument, it returns its exit code.
(B
(BNo, in the '-z' example, I am NOT giveing a string.
(B
(B   $test -zCR --  NOT $test -zspaceCR
(B
(B
(BMr.Dean advised;
(B
(BSo `test' is saying to itself "I have no arg2 to test against.
(BFormally, 
(B
(B   arg2 does not exist == arg2 is not a string.
(B
(BHence you get an automatic "false".
(B
(BYes, I understand why $test -nCR returns 0. As you mentioned,
(Bno argment is different from no string.
(B
(BBut this assumptions also apply '-z' option, isn't it? If so,
(B$test -zCR should return 1 not 0, because `test' should say
(Bto itself (as in -z case) that I have no arg to test against,
(Bthen it should return authentic `false'. 
(B
(BI read comments from Mr.miLosh  Mr.Dean many time and tried
(Btest command in various patters many times. (I should have
(Bstudied English harder!!) And finally I came up with a
(Bconclusion as Mr.which quotes;
(B
(B'it is common in programms return a 0 value if a needed
(Bargument is missing.' So test returns 0 if no arg is given
(Bafter -* option. Thus both $test -zCR and $test -nCR returns 0.
(B
(BNow I forced myself to be clear on this!! But why $testCR
(B(no option, no args) returns 1 now, not 0!!
(B
(BI agagin have to force myself into thinking that it's a rule.
(B
(B
(B
(B
(B+-+ * Get your own Jmail account.|URL= http://www.jmail.co.jp
(B|--jmail--| * Get your own home page.|URL= http://www.servance.jp
(B+-+ * Get your own domain.|URL= http://domaintorou.com/
(B

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Re: [expert] mail client

2002-12-20 Thread Toshiro
  Yes.  I have tried other mail clients and have always gone back to Kmail.
   It has never ever crashed on me or given me any problems.  I have also
  used pine, evolution (yuck...and no way to order mail by date?),

 don't know what beta you were on, but 1.0.2 orders by date by default.
 Also supports threading and has a pretty nifty search function.


Well, the handling of threads in Evolution sucks (to say the least); have you 
tried to delete the first mail of a thread? when you do that, the cursor 
moves to wherever it wishes (instead of positioning in the next unread 
mail).

The very bad handling of threads is the reason I quit using Evolution.


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Re: [expert] mail client

2002-12-20 Thread Jack Coates
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 18:36, Toshiro wrote:
   Yes.  I have tried other mail clients and have always gone back to Kmail.
It has never ever crashed on me or given me any problems.  I have also
   used pine, evolution (yuck...and no way to order mail by date?),
 
  don't know what beta you were on, but 1.0.2 orders by date by default.
  Also supports threading and has a pretty nifty search function.
 
 
 Well, the handling of threads in Evolution sucks (to say the least); have you 
 tried to delete the first mail of a thread? when you do that, the cursor 
 moves to wherever it wishes (instead of positioning in the next unread 
 mail).
 

Actually it just selects the next message in the thread, using
1.0.8[3mdk]. I've never used any Evolution version pre-1.0, and I've
never seen any of the things people have been complaining about in this
thread.

I do know it's not a very good IMAP client, but this doesn't affect me
as I think IMAP is a rather sucky[1] protocol and I don't use it.

I've also had some instability in each of the Evolution modules, but
it's always been limited to that module -- I just get a little popup
stating that Contacts unexpectedly quit, or I can't view the summary
page. oaf-slay fixes it.

I will unequivocally state that the evolution-pilot conduits suck rocks,
to the point of actively being worse than having no synchronization
capability at all. Jpilot is the only way to realistically manage PalmOS
in my experience, which is a shame (Jpilot is great, but nonintegration
of your PDA with other contacts and calendar is an issue).

 The very bad handling of threads is the reason I quit using Evolution.
 
To each his own -- I gave up using mutt because the config file was a
monolithic cruftpile on the order of sendmail.cf or procmailrc, a reason
at which mutt aficionados will only sneer. I gave up on kmail because it
would grab duplicate copies of mail from the local /var/spool/mail/user
and had zero integration with kpilot (a pile of junk in its own right at
the time). KDE fans will leap to assure me that it's all fixed now and
if it isn't I can surely rearrange my needs to meet kmail's requirements
:-)

[1] The thing I dislike about IMAP is its fundamental design and reason
for existence, which is the idea that my mail should stay on the server
and get copied to my client. If I want the mail to stay on the server,
I'll leave it there in an mbox or maildir and access it with a local
client over an encrypted tunnel. If I want it on my desktop, I want it
to get here as fast as possible and be deleted from the server because
it's no longer necessary there. This design problem leads to all the
implementation problems of IMAP: SLOWness, lack of integration with
local folder structures, and muddling of GUIs for rule-creation, mass
copy or delete, etc.
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Re: [expert] ACPI et Mandrake 9.0

2002-12-20 Thread Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas
On Sex 20 Dez 2002 07:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Pena que eu não fale (escreva em) Francês!
Serve Português?

Ricardo

 J'ai installe la Mandrake 9.0 sur mon portable medion. Celui-ci ne supporte
 que l'ACPI. J'ai donc installe le nouveau noyau 2.4.20. Tout semble bien
 fonctionner sauf la batterie.
 En effet, lorsque j'essaie de lire les informations de la batterie (cat
 /proc/acpi/battery/...), dans la  plupart des cas, cette operation
 declenche le ventilateur et bloque le systeme.

 Christophe


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