[expert] Re: Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[T. Ribbrock]

On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 10:05:18PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
> Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did 
> not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts 
> circulating).
[...]

Well, while updating is definitely recommended, at least there seems to
be no reason to panic yet. Quote from the OpenSSH advisory:

"All versions of OpenSSH's sshd prior to 3.7.1 contain buffer
 management errors.  It is uncertain whether these errors are
 potentially exploitable, however, we prefer to see bugs fixed proactively."

Nonetheless, I just *love* the approach of the OpenSSH team. Would be
great if everybody did it that way.

Cheerio,

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Re: [expert] Verisign hijacks .com and .net DNS space

[James Sparenberg]

On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 21:25, Jack Coates wrote:
> http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/verisign
> 
> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 19:12, Jack Coates wrote:
> > Just finished doing a four-page write up of it for work, I'll be
> > de-working it and putting it on monkeynoodle.org as time permits.
> ...

Jack,

   Thanks for posting this.  It saved me a bunch of work on trying to
explain this to a lot of people at work. 

  Oh and it seems that Outlook is really affected by this.  One of our
people sent an e-mail to 8 of us.  One e-mail addy was mistyped.   Yep
you guessed it every 5 minutes or so it kept resending the e-mail
because the Verisign site didn't return an error properly.  It didn't
stop sending until he turned off his laptop. (not knowing what it was
doing.) and as a result we all got 35+ copies of the mail.  Now take
this times the number of Outlook users (and similarly affect e-mail
clients) and you've got the perfect DDoS attack, guaranteed to take down
the net. (IMHO)  

James 


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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[James Sparenberg]

On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 23:33, John Wilson wrote:
> On September 16, 2003 09:29 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> 
> >It sounds good except for one thing.  In the developed world the US has
> > less than half the broadband penetration of any other country.  (Canada has
> > about a 50% penetration, Korea 80% the US only 20%) 
> 
> Actually Canada is now up to about 70%.  Dial up is mainly a disaster recovery 
> tool now.  The figure in the major centres (Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal) 
> is something like 85%.  Most of the sales battles on high speed now are on 
> price and reliablity, ADSL vs Cable, etc, etc, etc.  Oh, and undocumented 
> speed increases :-)

I was being conservative for Canada and generous for the US.  Oh and I
heard an add today for a DSL broadband provider.  The disclaimer was
"Speed increases over dialup are for download only and may not differ
from dialup speeds on upload". (or words to that affect.) Shees with
attitudes like that it's no wonder broadband service penetration is
actually going down in the US. 

James

> 
> > Did the sales fall off
> > because people downloaded, (Gael's contention.) or did it start falling off
> > because it took 3 months after release to get it in the stores.(my
> > observation)  
> 
> It's funny cause 7.2 and 8.0 were very rapid to the shelves in Canada.  After 
> than it slowed to a crawl.  I'd say that your observation may have as much to 
> do with is as the download situation.
> 
> >
> > Are people downloading to save money, or, are they downloading just to get
> > the product. No I don't have all the data, Gael has more.  But, the 20%
> > drop in sales is consistent with the drop other software vendors and
> > retailers are seeing across the board.  My next question is.  Why aren't
> > SuSE, Red Hat, Walnut Creek (FreeBSD) Wasabi (NetBSD) and others cutting
> > back on retail?  They sell to the same demographic.  Shouldn't they have
> > similar problems?
> 
> I'm sure they are.  They do seem willing to package for the store shelves to 
> maintain a high level of public visibility which is important if you want to 
> get your name into people's heads.
> 
> Heck, I even saw the last edition of Caldera/SCO Open Linux (now there's a 
> joke and a half) on the shelves at a computer store!
> 
> There could be one additional contention here on Geal's part, unspoken.  That 
> is that people download a package and then share it around.  That too could  
> cause the number of packaged boxes to go down even where the high speed 
> situation is a mess like in the US.
> 
> ttfn
> 
> John
> 
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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 10:40 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 September 2003 23:02, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Write to our favourite mags,
> > regularly, quoting Mandrake as often as possible.
>
> Not a bad idea (I'm a LXF subscriber too), could be worth our while
> to make our preferences known. I bet there's quite a few of us
> here.
>
Here's what I sent yesterday:

As a 24/7 Mandrake user, I read with interest Jono Bacon's comments on 
contributing to open source projects.  I would like to comment on 
some of the ways in which we, the users, are making our contribution.

Jono did, of course, mention Mandrake Club.  Many would agree with him 
that the need to request money in this way is unfortunate.  However, 
it is worth noting that MandrakeSoft have always believed that their 
full distro should be absolutely free in cash terms as well as in 
open source terms.  Boxed sets are of course available, but every bit 
of the distro can be downloaded as soon as it is released.  For a 
small company to maintain such high standards revenue has to be 
obtained from elsewhere.  Voluntary contributions are a legitimate 
source of income, and many of us support it in this way because we 
believe that Mandrake could not afford to continue such largesse 
unless we do give monetary support.

That apart, there are many other ways of supporting.  Documentation is 
often woefully inadequate, not least due to the fact that the 
hardware situation changes daily.  The only way that this can be 
addressed is by users contributing time and effort.  Mandrake did 
attempt to start a hardware compatibility list, but found the task 
impossible.  What was achieved remains available, as mentioned in 
your reply to T.W. Groves (Mailserver, Oct'03).  There is however, an 
incomplete but much more up-to-date list growing on the users' TWiki 
site (yes, Jono, we have already started to address this).


The TWiki pages were begun around 6 months ago, growing slowly at 
first, but recently the growth has been fast, so that we have reached 
the situation where the location of the information is not always 
self-evident.  We are, therefore, in the middle of reorganising the 
index to address this.  The original url of the TWiki web was 
difficult to remember, so one member has donated a domain to redirect 
you to the introductory page.  Anyone who uses Mandrake, or is 
interested in doing so in the future, would benefit from browsing our 
web.  http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org

Finally, I would like to remind users that this is not a closed 
'club'.  We welcome material from any user, particularly if they are 
able to add to the hardware compatibility pages, or able to write a 
mini HOW-TO on any of the frequently encountered installation 
problems.

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Re: [expert] OT: DRM damged a windows box?

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 3:55 am, Philip Webb wrote:
> 030916 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Is anyone prepared to talk to me off-list about this.
>
> why off-list ?  we're all interested in M$ horror stories (grin).
>
Except when you have to scrape family off the ceiling 

> > My daughter wanted to watch dvd's on her win98 computer.
> > Then she got a message that said
> >   'The DVD key exchange for copy protection has failed.
> >   Playback is not possible.'
> > Now she not only can't play any dvds,
> > but she can't play audio disks on that drive either.
>
> so cd she avoid such catastrophes, if she used Linux ?

She's the original technophobe, and certainly wouldn't consider 
learning something new right now - she has a 14-hour a day job and is 
near the end of a PhD.  Nevertheless I am seriously considering 
putting in an old hdd and installing Mandrake to get xine running, 
and telling her to boot to that just to play dvds.

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Re: [expert] OT: DRM damged a windows box?

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 5:50 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 09:21, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Is anyone prepared to talk to me off-list about this.  My
> > daughter wanted to watch dvd's on her win98 computer.  Then she
> > got a message that said'The DVD key exchange for copy protection
> > has failed. Playback is not possible.'  Now she not only can't
> > play any dvds, but she can't play audio disks on that drive
> > either.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Sounds like the copyright protection in Media Player 9 bit her. 
> Short of a re-install of windows I don't know enough about the
> registry to tell you how to back out.

Not MP9, but possibly Creative Media Player.

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Re: [expert] OT: DRM damged a windows box?

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 6:41 am, Eric Huff wrote:
> > > Is anyone prepared to talk to me off-list about this.  My
> > > daughter wanted to watch dvd's on her win98 computer.  Then she
> > > got a message
> > >
> > > that said'The DVD key exchange for copy protection has failed.
> > > Playback is not possible.'  Now she not only can't play any
> > > dvds, but she can't play audio disks on that drive either.
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > Sounds like the copyright protection in Media Player 9 bit her. 
> > Short of a re-install of windows I don't know enough about the
> > registry to tell you how to back out.
>
> Not sure if this will help, but you can download older versions of
> software.  Here is media player 7.1:
>
> http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=wmp
>
That's what she has.  I think it is the Creative Media Player that did 
it.  Problem is, if it has written to registry I don't know whether 
it can be removed.  It is infuriating.  She is not attempting to do 
anything illegal.   No, better not start that thread again 

Thanks for the suggestion, though

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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[Charlie]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:02 am, many eyes noted that Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:33 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > Anyway, if we feel that the retail market would start to grow up
> > again, we would certainly consider to address it again. We're also
> > aware that being on shelves is good for mindshare.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gaël.
> > 
> >
> > I can see his point.
>
> Fair enough.  So the best we can do is to keep pushing the name in any
> way we can to improve visibility.  Write to our favourite mags,
> regularly, quoting Mandrake as often as possible.  Promote amongs
> friends, acquaintances and business associates whenever it may get a
> fair hearing.  At least we know now what we can and can't do.
>
> Anne

About two months ago I made another concerted push for Open Source Software to 
be used more extensively throughout State, Federal and Local government. I am 
using Mandrake of course and have the couple of lines previously posted on 
the bottom of the first page of "all" correspondence, private or otherwise.

Though I was extolling the virtues of Open Source Software, not any 
distribution in particular. The letter that I received back from the state 
Premiers office was headed [and I just checked it to be certain] Linux 
Mandrake Software Computer Program in bold and capitals, and the letter 
beneath. I did mention to my partner that this kind of exposure works.

In this way even if no one knows what Mandrake and Linux is because the 
correspondence does not actually apply to the letters contents, their ears 
will prick up whenever it is mentioned again. Other write and ask "what the 
hell is Linux Mandrake." That is the very best response you can get. Someone 
who shows interest.

Charlie.

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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[Charlie]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:29 pm, many eyes noted that James Sparenberg wrote:


> > Anyway, if we feel that the retail market would start to grow up again,
> > we would certainly consider to address it again. We're also aware that
> > being on shelves is good for mindshare.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >   Gaël.
> > 
> >
> > I can see his point.
> >
> > wobo
>
> Wobo,
>
>It sounds good except for one thing.  In the developed world the US has
> less than half the broadband penetration of any other country.  (Canada has
> about a 50% penetration, Korea 80% the US only 20%)  Did the sales fall off
> because people downloaded, (Gael's contention.) or did it start falling off
> because it took 3 months after release to get it in the stores.(my
> observation)  With 8.1 and 8.2 by the time I got my copy via retail (Both
> came out of a bookstore where I could special order and pay by check.) I
> had downloaded the first beta of the next release.  9.0 I managed to
> recieve after it was ordered at full price just as MDK started to offer it
> at a clearance price. (From MDK it took 9 weeks.) 9.1 I canceled after 3
> months.  I don't want to use the download version.  I want to use the
> commercial CD's I've got them all the way back to 7.0 (lost my 6.2 and 6.1
> versions.)
>
> Are people downloading to save money, or, are they downloading just to get
> the product. No I don't have all the data, Gael has more.  But, the 20%
> drop in sales is consistent with the drop other software vendors and
> retailers are seeing across the board.  My next question is.  Why aren't
> SuSE, Red Hat, Walnut Creek (FreeBSD) Wasabi (NetBSD) and others cutting
> back on retail?  They sell to the same demographic.  Shouldn't they have
> similar problems?
>
> James
>
> PS thanks for forwarding the thread to him...
>  

I see this point and unfortunately there is a complaint in a Mag here in Oz 
[Australia] that mentions a problem with getting the 9.1 box set. It is under 
a heading, Mandrache and is not good. 

I won't go into the gory detail, but it mentions a user who bought the boxed 
set from Mandrake because of the money shortage they were experiencing even 
though the exchange rate was bad, and he could have saved money by buying it 
from an OZ company.

But after several attempts to get it, and we are talking weeks crawling into 
months and Mandrake saying it must have got lost in the mail. They are 
sending him a newer version. This after the mag contacted the Mandrake Linux 
press office in France.

These things happen, but the damage they do when brought out like this is any 
body's guess and deserves no speculation because everyone could be right. But 
there is a good point to be made for the tyranny of distance. We are dealing 
in an almost instant environment, however getting a boxed set takes forever 
through snail mail. I have a friend who also waited an inordinate amount of 
time for his boxed set. I am talking over two months and it wasn't lost in 
the mail, but went through a distributor. Too long.

We have a very popular car here in Oz and the reason it is popular is because 
parts are easily obtained. In every milk bar they say. I think this would 
apply to meaning in every corner shop which are open 24/7, for other 
countries.

There is a way that this could be done, but it would mean that all who are 
more or less sold on the system have at least on boxed set sent to them 
immediately on release and a network world wide with people who have them be 
set up and placed on the Internet. So that if you want one quickly, it can be 
sent from the nearest point. Even delivered to the door in some cases. That 
would be as magic as the wizard itself. I'm up for it.

There could be a place where the down loader can put in a zip code, or in Oz a 
postcode where they are, and a message tells them that if they don't want to 
download, a copy of a boxed set for X amount of dollars is just round the 
corner or half a mile down the road. Not practical of course, and because 
they said it couldn't be done, is all the more reason to try it. But I have 
been labeled as crazy in the past.

Charlie.


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Re: [expert] OT: DRM damged a windows box?

[James Sparenberg]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 00:23, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 3:55 am, Philip Webb wrote:
> > 030916 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > Is anyone prepared to talk to me off-list about this.
> >
> > why off-list ?  we're all interested in M$ horror stories (grin).
> >
> Except when you have to scrape family off the ceiling 
> 
> > > My daughter wanted to watch dvd's on her win98 computer.
> > > Then she got a message that said
> > >   'The DVD key exchange for copy protection has failed.
> > >   Playback is not possible.'
> > > Now she not only can't play any dvds,
> > > but she can't play audio disks on that drive either.
> >
> > so cd she avoid such catastrophes, if she used Linux ?
> 
> She's the original technophobe, and certainly wouldn't consider 
> learning something new right now - she has a 14-hour a day job and is 
> near the end of a PhD.  Nevertheless I am seriously considering 
> putting in an old hdd and installing Mandrake to get xine running, 
> and telling her to boot to that just to play dvds.
> 
> Anne

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Followup: [expert] ref to the kickstart file via nfs or tftp

[Kasper Fock]

some ides???
isn't this the right place for this kind of question, otherwise please point 
me to the right one. 

/Kasper

On Tuesday 09 September 2003 18:41, Kasper Fock wrote:
> Annybody, I don't believe that Mandrake has narrowed the possibility to
> make an automated install this much.
>
> Any idea of an solution or an suggestion to a .cfg syntax is appreciated.
>
> current cfg
> label mdk
>   KERNEL img/mdk9.1/vmlinuz
>   append kickstart=../mdk_minimal.cfg
> automatic=met:nfs,ser:172.16.255.4,dir:/inst/dist/mdk9.1,netw:static,ip:172
>.16.255.45,netm:255.255.255.0,gat:172.16.255.2,dns:172.16.255.2,ramdisk_size
>=6 initrd=img/mdk9.1/network.rdz root=/dev/ram3 vga=788
>
> /Kasper
>
> On Thursday 04 September 2003 13:16, Kasper Fock wrote:
> > I am trying to make an automated install via PXE.
> > My problem is that the installation can't load my kickstart file via NFS
> > or TFTP. (8.2 could??). I succeeded in the install of Redhat and Suse,
> > using this configuration, but I would be very interested in making the
> > same type of install for mandrake.
> > As I see at the page
> > http://members.shaw.ca/mandrake/drakx/9.0/HTML/section6.html#The_auto_ins
> >tc fg_File_Location the support for NFS, FTP, TFTP and HTTP has bean
> > removed for Mandrake 9.0+ is this right ore is it just not documented
> > here? I know the path to ks file can be a relative path from the install
> > dir (ie. via NFS) but it can't go up level (../../conf/auto_inst.cfg)
> > Can anyone tell me how the obtain the kickstart file via the NFS, TFTP or
> > FTP?
> >
> > Thanks in advantage
> > Kasper Fock
> >
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Re: [expert] OT: DRM damged a windows box?

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 9:19 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 00:23, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 3:55 am, Philip Webb wrote:
> > > 030916 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > Is anyone prepared to talk to me off-list about this.
> > >
> > > why off-list ?  we're all interested in M$ horror stories
> > > (grin).
> >
> > Except when you have to scrape family off the ceiling 
> >
> > > > My daughter wanted to watch dvd's on her win98 computer.
> > > > Then she got a message that said
> > > >   'The DVD key exchange for copy protection has failed.
> > > >   Playback is not possible.'
> > > > Now she not only can't play any dvds,
> > > > but she can't play audio disks on that drive either.
> > >
> > > so cd she avoid such catastrophes, if she used Linux ?
> >
> > She's the original technophobe, and certainly wouldn't consider
> > learning something new right now - she has a 14-hour a day job
> > and is near the end of a PhD.  Nevertheless I am seriously
> > considering putting in an old hdd and installing Mandrake to get
> > xine running, and telling her to boot to that just to play dvds.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Or go the other way Install Linux + win4lin

I think that would be step 2.  Once her thesis is finished there would 
be slightly less pressure.  Then she is going to be moving within the 
next few months, and job pressures would be slightly less - she will 
have more control over her time.  She is very dependent upon Lotus 
SmartSuite, but w4l runs that well, so she could get to all her old 
docs, and new things could be introduced to her one at a time - 
verrry slowly 

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Re: [expert] Verisign hijacks .com and .net DNS space

[HaywireMac]

On 16 Sep 2003 19:12:22 -0700
Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Just finished doing a four-page write up of it for work, I'll be
> de-working it and putting it on monkeynoodle.org as time permits.

In your (very well done) exposition, you point out that:

"The most effective and flexible method of mitigation is using a
firewall to block access to the address 64.94.110.11"

How can I do this on my firewall? I have a configuration dialogue which
is called access control. I sent a screenshot to the list yesterday, but
I never saw it show up ( a link, not an attachment ).

Is this where I wanna be?

http://www.orderinchaos.org/router.png

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[expert] OOT: very interesting fact about how human interpret words

[Fajar Priyanto]

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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are,
the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer
be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and
you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the
wrod as a wlohe. Fcuknig amzanig huh?

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Re: [expert] OOT: very interesting fact about how human interpret words

[HaywireMac]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:56:17 +0700
Fajar Priyanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

I'm only going to tell you one more time about hijacking threads, then I
am going to get very, very, very angry.

*Stop it Fajar*.

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[expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[Fajar Priyanto]

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Holy cow!
I'm sorry that I've been hijacking messages all this time, guys!
Frankly speaking, I didn't know about it until I searched the archive on word 
"hijacking".

I didn't even know how threaded folder works in Kmail, until you mention about 
message's ID.

Really sorry again, guys. This is surely a new knowledge to me and I thank you 
for that.

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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[HaywireMac]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:46:30 +0700
Fajar Priyanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> I'm sorry that I've been hijacking messages all this time, guys!
> Frankly speaking, I didn't know about it until I searched the archive
> on word "hijacking".

Right there you're doing better than most. Thanks very much for doing
that and making the effort!

BTW, that thing about "rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy" I've seen
before, but it is really freaky, no? It certainly supports Chomsky's
thesis about language and learning...

Now see, I've gone and hijacked *your* thread, LOL! ;-)

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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

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On Wednesday 17 September 2003 04:55 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
> BTW, that thing about "rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy" I've seen
> before, but it is really freaky, no? It certainly supports Chomsky's
> thesis about language and learning...
>
> Now see, I've gone and hijacked *your* thread, LOL! ;-)

What did Chomsky say about it?
BTW, this also shows the power of human brain analyzing pattern on 99% random 
data. Anyone agree that there will be no computer that can beat human brain?

Even IBM's notorious deep blue failed to defeat Kasparov.

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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[HaywireMac]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:08:07 +0700
Fajar Priyanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> What did Chomsky say about it?

Well, exactly what that Cambridge research showed, that people learn
language not in bits and pieces like the "phonics" method still in use
today, but by grokking whole chunks of meaning from analyzing contextual
patterns in speech and writing. I can't do him justice, so I won't go
further than that. Look him up on Google, there's lots out there, or
should I say tehres ltos out trehe.

> BTW, this also shows the power of human brain analyzing pattern on 99%
> random data. Anyone agree that there will be no computer that can beat
> human brain?

Read "The Emperor's New Mind", can't remember the author, but ya, I
agree it is impossible to build a mechanical model of the human mind,
since our nervous system extends beyond our bodies, for one thing.

> Even IBM's notorious deep blue failed to defeat Kasparov.

I can't even beat GNUChess...sad.

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Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

[ed tharp]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 00:52, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 01:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:15:47 -0700:
> > 
> > > Dunno with my luck I would just get a picture of Jlo and Affleck
> > > together. (Duck)
> > 
> > And who's ass would you prefer? (g,d&r)
> > 
> > wobo
> 
> I personally like my wifes but then, that's me (take it both ways)
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[Philip Webb]

030917 HaywireMac wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:08:07 +0700
> Fajar Priyanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
>> What did Chomsky say about it?
> exactly what that Cambridge research showed,
> that people learn language not in bits and pieces
> like the "phonics" method still in use today,
> but by grokking whole chunks of meaning
> from analyzing contextual patterns in speech and writing.

no, that's a NON SEQ : you learn to read with phonics
-- tho' that's not enough for the whole of English's anarchic spelling -- ,
but once you've really digested it, your brain processes it differently.
it's parallel to learning to speak a foreign language fluently,
where an adult starts by constructing sentences word-by-word
(small children can employ a more direct process, as Chomsky observed).

>> Even IBM's notorious deep blue failed to defeat Kasparov.

yes, there was clearly human help for the computer in the 2nd game.

and what is 'hijacking a thread'?  i never heard of it before,
unless you mean simply not changing 'Subject' when you should.

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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[Wolfgang Bornath]

James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700:
> 
> Are people downloading to save money, or, are they downloading just to
> get the product. No I don't have all the data, Gael has more.  But,
> the 20% drop in sales is consistent with the drop other software
> vendors and retailers are seeing across the board.  My next question
> is.  Why aren't SuSE, Red Hat, Walnut Creek (FreeBSD) Wasabi (NetBSD)
> and others cutting back on retail?  They sell to the same demographic.
>  Shouldn't they have similar problems?  

Who says, they don't? But they have had (still have) other distribution
strategies and means than Mandrake from the start.
Mandrake always offered the download edition before the boxed sets.
All others (I don't know about BSD, so I leave those out) always had the
boxed sets in the shops first. So their strategy is mainly based on
selling boxes. Mandrake's business model is based on the "Street
Performer" model. Now I don't want to go into a discussion of this!

As said before, all other ditributors also suffer from the 20% drop in
sales. But they can't re-organize their strategy so fast because
customers are used to find boxes on shelves and wouldn't change habits
that fast.

For Mandrake it is no change. Production and distribution of boxes is a
very cost consuming thing which is not very becoming to a company with a
tight budget. So Mandrake is IMHO just doing what they had to do.

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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[HaywireMac]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:20:44 -0400
"Philip Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> and what is 'hijacking a thread'?  i never heard of it before,
> unless you mean simply not changing 'Subject' when you should.

well, you could take the approach Fajar did and check the archives...

Hijacking is replying to a thread with a new topic and changing the
subject to suit said topic, instead of starting a new thread.

A definite no-no.

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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[HaywireMac]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:20:44 -0400
"Philip Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> no, that's a NON SEQ : you learn to read with phonics

ya, I caught that right after I posted it :-\

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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[Bill Mullen]

> and what is 'hijacking a thread'?  i never heard of it before, unless
> you mean simply not changing 'Subject' when you should.

It's starting a new (and entirely unrelated) thread by replying to an
existing post and replacing its subject line with your own, rather than by
composing a wholly new post from scratch. It's generally done by folks who 
don't know any better, often because either they've never used threading, 
or their [brain-dead] mail/news clients can thread on the subject only. :)

As many mail and/or news clients thread messages based not upon merely the 
subject line, but rather upon the "References:" header (so as to properly 
place subthreads with changed subject lines within their parent threads), 
this causes these posts to appear where they shouldn't in the 'tree'.

And I agree with Mac, it's *very* annoying behavior. Kudos to the OP for 
reading up on it and resolving to mend his ways. :)

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Re: [expert] Re: SOYO + AMD XP2500: new mobo (3)

[Philip Webb]

030916 Tom Brinkman wrote:
> On Tuesday September 16 2003 09:16 am, Philip Webb wrote:
>> i still don't know what the FSB is auto'ly being set to,
>> but the mobo is recognising the CPU correctly as a 2500+
>> & setting the CPU frequency at  1833 MHz .
>   tom # cat /proc/cpuinfo
>   model name  : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+
>   cpu MHz : 2301.434
> Default for this processor is 13x166.66 (multiplier x FSB) or 2167.
> 2301 results from 13x177.  You should be able to tell
> what multiplier and FSB you're currently set to in bios.

no, all it says is 'auto'.

> Otherwise, use the result of cat /proc/cpuinfo and a calculator
> to figure it out for yourself.
> EG, 1833 would be 11/166.66, which is default for your cpu.
> 1833 @ 133.33 FSB wb impossible since the multiplier would be 13.75,
> and only .5 multiplier increments are allowed (eg, 11, 11.5, 12, 12.5 ).

thanx, yes, it must be setting it auto'ly to  11 * 166.66 ,
which is what i tried by hand with the defective mobo i sent back.

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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[ed tharp]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 07:28, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700:
> > 
> > Are people downloading to save money, or, are they downloading just to
> > get the product. No I don't have all the data, Gael has more.  But,
> > the 20% drop in sales is consistent with the drop other software
> > vendors and retailers are seeing across the board.  My next question
> > is.  Why aren't SuSE, Red Hat, Walnut Creek (FreeBSD) Wasabi (NetBSD)
> > and others cutting back on retail?  They sell to the same demographic.
> >  Shouldn't they have similar problems?  
> 
> Who says, they don't? But they have had (still have) other distribution
> strategies and means than Mandrake from the start.
> Mandrake always offered the download edition before the boxed sets.
> All others (I don't know about BSD, so I leave those out) always had the
> boxed sets in the shops first. So their strategy is mainly based on
> selling boxes. Mandrake's business model is based on the "Street
> Performer" model. Now I don't want to go into a discussion of this!
> 
> As said before, all other ditributors also suffer from the 20% drop in
> sales. But they can't re-organize their strategy so fast because
> customers are used to find boxes on shelves and wouldn't change habits
> that fast.

I might offer this is one of the culture differences between Europeans
and Americans. American customers change habits as fast as they drive,
and in fact, it is generally agreed that American consumers will change
purchasing habits even if greatly satisfied, just to see if there is a
better product or service. It is FAR more important for visual name
recognition, than for past quality performance as far as increasing
sales.   

This is _the_ 'other' spot I see MDKsoft stumbling. I still do not think
Apple would have survived until Steve Jobbs returned had there not been
thousands of cars driving around with the apple logo on the back
reminding folks there was some other computer besides wintel.
I still think that just as shelve space means the very bottom line as
far as eyes seeing the product exists (and to _very_ many Americans, if
you don't see it on the shelf it must not exist any longer) the next
most important is other forms of 'eye time'.
If MDK could take advantage of just 3 outlets (Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and
Compusa) that have their own distribution channels, I firmly believe
that the quality of the product would do the rest.


BTW, since this thread started I have ordered a "vainity plate" lic
plate of MDKlinux. I have not been approved yet so I am not  sure they
will issue it,,, 
and it will be replacing '2 goo fee'... 
but if 1 person thinks about Mandrake when they see MDK, it will be
worth the 28 bucks... to me anyway... 

 
> 
> For Mandrake it is no change. Production and distribution of boxes is a
> very cost consuming thing which is not very becoming to a company with a
> tight budget. So Mandrake is IMHO just doing what they had to do.
> 
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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[ed tharp]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 08:01, ed tharp wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 07:28, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700:
> > > 



>  
> > 
> > For Mandrake it is no change. Production and distribution of boxes is a
> > very cost consuming thing which is not very becoming to a company with a
> > tight budget. So Mandrake is IMHO just doing what they had to do.
> > 
> > wobo
> > 

yes,,, but it still seems to me a gold mine for some entrepreneur who
can put it together to be a "hands off distribution contractor" where
the distribution and printing of the product are taken off MDKsofts
hands, and done by someone with as much expertise in CD and booklet
distribution and logistics as MDKsoft has at creating a great OS and
Distribution. 
I would even argue that was the idea behind having McMillian as a
'partner', I also argue it was a correct idea, but may not have been
implemented correctly. MDKsoft must seem like the smallest potato in the
patch to an outfit like McMillian, where (if it is possible) a smaller
distributor/publisher or instead of a combined distributor/publisher,
individual distributor & publisher might be able to offer the attention
to quality that MDKsoft's product deserves.




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Re: [expert] Devfsd and related issues

[Mike Rambo]

On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 14:50, Anne Wilson wrote:
> I have been struggling with GnomeMeeting for some time now, getting 
> all the help I can from this list, then from the GM mailing list.  
> The end of that conversation was that devsd was the likely problem, 
> and I would need to talk to someone who really understands Mandrake's 
> implementation of it.
> 
> A friend of mine has been having a similar fight with his Handspring 
> Visor.  Again, he has asked all he can for help.  It appears that 
> this is also a devfsd problem.  Apparently some aspects of using 
> Gnome-pilot on 9.1 were not properly implemented, as it was 'very 

You're right about devfs - at least in my experience anyway. When I
first tried using my Handspring with mdk 8.1 I found then that the only
way to get it to work reliably (or sometimes at all) was to disable
devfs. I have no idea why Mandrake has insisted on staying with it all
this time when it's as broken as it is. From what I see on the linux
kernel list it would appear devfs will be going away anyway. The
original maintainer has went away and nobody else seems to have done
much with it either aside from cutting away major parts of it.

That aside, if you check the archives from the 8.1/8.2 time frame there
should be some threads where this exact thing was discussed and a few
solutions found. I did finally get both of those versions to sync my
Handspring by disabling devfs and a couple of other (forgotten) things.
I don't recall that Gnome-pilot was involved but I could be wrong on
that too. I did make one half hearted attempt at getting the sync
working with 9.0 one time but gave up when it took more than a few
minutes because I don't really need the sync anyway. On the whole my
impression is that usb stuff, palm type device syncing at least, is
still pretty immature with Linux. I've never seen it work out of the box
- at least on Mandrake. I've never tried it with the k12os/RH systems I
maintain (most cuz they're all servers) so I can't way whether it's
Linux in general or something specific to Mandrake.

I just found this in my email history. Maybe it'll help...


Add to or fix in lilo.conf...

append=" devfs=nomount"

...run lilo and reboot.

The config on my two 8.1 systems is like this:

*add to /etc/modules*
usbcore
usb-uhci
usbserial
visor

(depending on your system you may need usb-ohci instead of usb-uhci)

*in /etc/sysconfig/usb*

VISOR=yes


My /etc/modules.conf also has...

alias usb-interface0 usb-uhci

...although I think mdk8.1 set that up at install time - I don't
remember doing it.

Last I created a symlink from /dev/usb/ttyUSB1 to /dev/visor and set up
jpilot to use it. After all that just start jpilot, hit the hot sync
button on the visor USB cradle, and click the sync button in jpilot.

FWIW, just in the way of information, the one 8.1 system we've gotten
devfs to work on uses usb-ohci. On that system, with devfs enabled, if
you watch the /dev/usb directory carefully you'll see the ttyUSBx
entries pop up briefly when you hit the hot sync botton on the USB
cradle. One of my co-workers uses that system. Somehow he happened to
get everything to work right one time using the gnome pilot conduit
settings in the gnome control center and it's been fine since. Note that
the gnome control center must be used to set up the gnome pilot conduits
although once they're set up they seem to work fine in KDE thereafter.
He sync's his visor everyday to jpilot.

That said though, it has been much easier for me to just sort of hard
code this stuff as I've illustrated above instead of trying to get the
devfs stuff to work. Maybe Richard Gooch (lkml) will someday get devfs
working smoothly and it'll be the best thing since sliced bread but it
appears not ready for prime time right now IMHO.




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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Wednesday 17 September 2003 14:18, ed tharp wrote:
> yes,,, but it still seems to me a gold mine for some entrepreneur who
> can put it together to be a "hands off distribution contractor" where
> the distribution and printing of the product are taken off MDKsofts
> hands, and done by someone with as much expertise in CD and booklet
> distribution and logistics as MDKsoft has at creating a great OS and
> Distribution.
> I

I doubt that!
IIRC Red Hat too has stopped giving priority to boxed sets in the shops.
The reason is it takes quite a bit of time to print cd's, boxes and manuals 
after which the physical distribution takes time too.
By the time the boxed sets hit the shops they're already outdated.
Nobody in their right mind would invest in that.the only profit as stated 
is "visibility" which can be gotten a lot cheaper and more effective IMHO.

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Re: [expert] Re: Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Avi Schwartz]

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 01:58 AM, T. Ribbrock wrote:

On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 10:05:18PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating).
[...]

Well, while updating is definitely recommended, at least there seems to
be no reason to panic yet. Quote from the OpenSSH advisory:
"All versions of OpenSSH's sshd prior to 3.7.1 contain buffer
 management errors.  It is uncertain whether these errors are
 potentially exploitable, however, we prefer to see bugs fixed 
proactively."

Nonetheless, I just *love* the approach of the OpenSSH team. Would be
great if everybody did it that way.
When it comes to SSH, I am always nervous.  In the past, the admin at 
the time, failed to update SSH and it was used to break into 3 of our 
machines.  So, yeah, I am nervous :-)

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Re: [expert] Devfsd and related issues

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 1:26 pm, Mike Rambo wrote:
> You're right about devfs - at least in my experience anyway. When I
> first tried using my Handspring with mdk 8.1 I found then that the
> only way to get it to work reliably (or sometimes at all) was to
> disable devfs. I have no idea why Mandrake has insisted on staying
> with it all this time when it's as broken as it is. From what I see
> on the linux kernel list it would appear devfs will be going away
> anyway. The original maintainer has went away and nobody else seems
> to have done much with it either aside from cutting away major
> parts of it.
>
> That aside, if you check the archives from the 8.1/8.2 time frame
> there should be some threads where this exact thing was discussed
> and a few solutions found.



Thanks for all the info.  I'll pass that to my friend with the Visor.  
He has promised to do me a report for the TWiki if he gets it sorted 


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RE: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Tango Echo]

>Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh 

They did?  How do you recieve notification? I though I
was subscribed to the exploit list, but I haven't
recieved a message in well over 6 months.  Do I need
to resubscribe or are you receiving noitification by
other means?  Obviously, staying up to date on
exploits is a top priority and I'd like to be in the
loop =)

(BTW, if you did
>not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the
exploit starts
>circulating).  I updated all the sources but urpmi
--update
>--auto-select told me that everything is up to date. 
Tried the
>graphical updater, the same story.  I ended up
downloading the new RPMs
>and installing them manually.  How am I supposed to
trust DrakeUpdate
>and urpmi?
>
>This is something Mandrake can learn from SuSE. 
Their online update
>works perfectly every time.
>
>Avi
>



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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Avi Schwartz]

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 12:17 AM, James Sparenberg wrote:

On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 20:05, Avi Schwartz wrote:
Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating).  I updated all the sources but urpmi --update
--auto-select told me that everything is up to date.  Tried the
graphical updater, the same story.  I ended up downloading the new 
RPMs
and installing them manually.  How am I supposed to trust DrakeUpdate
and urpmi?

This is something Mandrake can learn from SuSE.  Their online update
works perfectly every time.
Avi
No not every time.  Try to do an online update for the NVidia drivers.
100% failure on 6 boxes.  As for the problem.  Did you do urpmi.update
-a first?  If your inbox records are behind the servers records then
what it's telling you is correct.
That may be a little unfair to SuSE.  The NVidia drivers are closed 
source and so they can be a challenge for any distribution.  As I 
understand it, people fixed the problem by using the older driver.  But 
my point was not to talk about a specific patch.  It would be also nice 
if Mandrake would send notification about security patches to their 
mailing lists.  In generalshould look into tightening the update 
process when it comes to security patches.  Unlike regular updates that 
may not be very important some security patches can be critical.  Also 
downloading the list of files can be a major pain.  Couple of 15MB 
lists can take awhile, even at IDSL speeds (144K) not to mention 
dial-up speeds.

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Avi Schwartz]

That is another problem.  I found out about it from other 
distribution's security announcements then I checked MandrakeSecure and 
found that they posted the information there.  They should send an 
announcement like this to the mailing lists.

Avi

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Tango Echo wrote:

Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh
They did?  How do you recieve notification? I though I
was subscribed to the exploit list, but I haven't
recieved a message in well over 6 months.  Do I need
to resubscribe or are you receiving noitification by
other means?  Obviously, staying up to date on
exploits is a top priority and I'd like to be in the
loop =)


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[expert] Mysql problem

[Timothy Brown]

Mandrake crashed on me last night with the errors:
Sep 16 20:00:02 off186ods kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer 
dereference at virtual address 0094
Sep 16 20:00:02 off186ods kernel: *pde = 
I had to restart the computer and it did a file system check and now 
everything on the computer seems to work except mysql it says in linux 
conf that it is running but whenever I try to access it I get this error:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# mysql
ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket 
'/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111)

I have tried do a mysql restart and I still get the same errors any ideas?
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RE: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Tango Echo]

>That is another problem.  I found out about it from
other
>distribution's security announcements then I checked
MandrakeSecure and
>found that they posted the information there.  They
should send an
>announcement like this to the mailing lists.
>
>Avi
>


That's strange! I think of individuals that are
familiar with Linux to be more security oriented... 
Ya know, it would be best to either have some type of
notification OR an auto updater like what XP has -
Check for updates, downloaded when read and confirm
install or automatically download and install...

So I guess the answer to my question is: Check
mandrakesecure.net at least once a week  - look on the
right side for "Recent Mandrake Linux Advisories"?


>On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Tango
Echo wrote:
>
>>> Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to
ssh
>>
>> They did?  How do you recieve notification? I
though I
>> was subscribed to the exploit list, but I haven't
>> recieved a message in well over 6 months.  Do I
need
>> to resubscribe or are you receiving noitification
by
>> other means?  Obviously, staying up to date on
>> exploits is a top priority and I'd like to be in
the
>> loop =)
>

be in the
>> loop =)
>

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Eric Fernandez]

Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh 
   



(BTW, if you did
 

not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the
   

exploit starts
 

circulating).  I updated all the sources but urpmi
   

--update
 

--auto-select told me that everything is up to date. 
   

Tried the
 

graphical updater, the same story.  I ended up
   

downloading the new RPMs
 

and installing them manually.  How am I supposed to
   

trust DrakeUpdate
 

and urpmi?

This is something Mandrake can learn from SuSE. 
   

Their online update
 

works perfectly every time.

Avi

Maybe you should check your mirror. Did you try urpmq -f to check the 
new packages are available in your URPM base ? I guess you did an 
urpmi.update -a too before trying the update ? There was no error message ?

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Thomas Backlund]

Tango Echo kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Keskiviikko 17 Syyskuu 2003 
16:39):
> >That is another problem.  I found out about it from
>
> other
>
> >distribution's security announcements then I checked
>
> MandrakeSecure and
>
> >found that they posted the information there.  They
>
> should send an
>
> >announcement like this to the mailing lists.
> >
> >Avi
>
> That's strange! I think of individuals that are
> familiar with Linux to be more security oriented...
> Ya know, it would be best to either have some type of
> notification OR an auto updater like what XP has -
> Check for updates, downloaded when read and confirm
> install or automatically download and install...
>
> So I guess the answer to my question is: Check
> mandrakesecure.net at least once a week  - look on the
> right side for "Recent Mandrake Linux Advisories"?
>

Go to:
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/mlist.php

and choose wich varnings you want mailed to you...

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Re: [expert] Verisign hijacks .com and .net DNS space

[Jack Coates]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 01:54, HaywireMac wrote:
> On 16 Sep 2003 19:12:22 -0700
> Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > Just finished doing a four-page write up of it for work, I'll be
> > de-working it and putting it on monkeynoodle.org as time permits.
> 
> In your (very well done) exposition, you point out that:
> 
> "The most effective and flexible method of mitigation is using a
> firewall to block access to the address 64.94.110.11"
> 
> How can I do this on my firewall? I have a configuration dialogue which
> is called access control. I sent a screenshot to the list yesterday, but
> I never saw it show up ( a link, not an attachment ).
> 
> Is this where I wanna be?
> 
> http://www.orderinchaos.org/router.png
> 
> Thanks.

I'm not familiar with that one, but yes. Change the action from ACCEPT
to REJECT, put the Verisign IP in the Destination box, and click Insert.
Presumably leaving the ports box blank means match all ports.
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Re: [expert] linux multitask performance?

[Guy Van Sanden]

Did you also enable it to run at boot in MDK control center?
You can check if the settings were made after reboot by using hdparm
again (as root):

do 'hdparm /dev/hda' (repeat for every drive)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] src]# hdparm /dev/hda

/dev/hda:
 multcount= 16 (on)
 IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
 unmaskirq=  1 (on)
 using_dma=  1 (on)
 keepsettings =  1 (on)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead=  8 (on)
 geometry = 9732/255/63, sectors = 156355584, start = 0

You speciefied -u -d -k, this maps to unmaskirq, keepsettings, using_dma

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On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 17:07, Magnus Wirström wrote:
> This is great ... I was looking for qa way to do this :) I did you say 
> and put in a script in
> 
> /etc/init.d/idedma (the script you attached). I wonder ... if there a way to see 
> that the script is starting correctly and the settings are really made to my system?
> 
> Anyway ... thanks for the tip 
> 
> Magnus
> 
> 
> Guy Van Sanden wrote:
> 
> >First of all, what kind of system are you on (CPU - RAM), which burner
> >are we talking about?
> >
> >Is it an IDE burner with SCSI emulation?
> >
> >What could help a lot is tune your disc devices with hdparm (I got a
> >huge boost out of this).
> >Install hdparm with 'urpmi hdparm'.
> >
> >First turn to your hard drive (/dev/hda I will assume), since it is the
> >source of data for both your writer OS and programs, it needs to work
> >optimal.
> >- check the current settings and mail the output to the list, this way
> >we can advice you better.
> >hdparm /dev/hda
> >Now, make sure you have the specifications of your devices handy. 
> >
> >I use these settings for my Hardisk:
> >'hdparm -c1 -d1 -k1 -u1 -X69 /dev/hda'
> >Breaking it up:
> >-c1: turn on 32-bit disk access
> >-d1: turn on DMA (is probably on already)
> >-k1: keep settings over bus reset (you need this)
> >-u1: Unmasq IRQ (reduces waits between different disk operations) -
> >Watch out with this one, it has been known to cause system instabilities
> >on some motherboards/harddisks, but it works fine for me.
> >-X69: force IDE-DMA Mode5 (UDMA 100) (adapt to your need, check 'man
> >hdparm'
> >
> >Test them out to see which one suit you best.
> >
> >Now do almost the same for the cdrom/dvd/writer devices (e.g. /dev/hdc)
> >'hdparm -c1 -d1 -k1 -u1 /dev/hdc'
> >'hdparm -c1 -d1 -k1 -u1 /dev/hdd'
> >Again, test it carefully.
> >
> >If you are satisfied with what you got, put it in a startup script like
> >the one below (which is /etc/init.d/idedma)
> >Then open the Control Center, go to system - services and set it to run
> >at boot.
> >
> >--> done
> >
> >Additionally you can also switch filesystems to get an even better
> >performance.
> >I found ReiserFS very fast, XFS has been reported to be great too.
> >
> >Good luck and have a lot of fun!
> >
> >
> >
> > BEGIN SCRIPT 
> >#!/bin/sh
> ># description: hdparm setup voor harddisks
> ># chkconfig: 2345 99 00
> >
> >HDPARM="/sbin/hdparm"
> >
> >case "$1" in
> >'start')
> > echo "Setting up DMA parameters (hdparm)..."
> > $HDPARM -qc1 -qd1 -qk1 -qu1 -qX69 /dev/hda
> > $HDPARM -qc1 -qd1 -qk1 -qu1 /dev/hdc
> > $HDPARM -qc1 -qd1 -qk1 -qu1 /dev/hdd
> > touch /var/lock/subsys/idedma
> > ;;
> >'stop')
> > rm -f /var/lock/subsys/idedma
> > ;;
> >*)
> > echo "Usage: $0 { start | stop }"
> > ;;
> >esac
> >exit 0
> >
> > END SCRIPT 
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 17:06, Vincent Chen wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Dear all,
> >>
> >>Recently, I bought a CDR. While burning CD using
> >>xcdroast at 48x, I can barely move my mouse or do
> >>anything else. It is still very smooth burning cd and
> >>surfing net under windows 2000. How should I tune my
> >>mandrake 9.0 for better performance?
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks,
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Re: [expert] Verisign hijacks .com and .net DNS space

[Jack Coates]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 00:00, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 21:25, Jack Coates wrote:
> > http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/verisign
> > 
> > On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 19:12, Jack Coates wrote:
> > > Just finished doing a four-page write up of it for work, I'll be
> > > de-working it and putting it on monkeynoodle.org as time permits.
> > ...
> 
> Jack,
> 
>Thanks for posting this.  It saved me a bunch of work on trying to
> explain this to a lot of people at work. 
> 
>   Oh and it seems that Outlook is really affected by this.  One of our
> people sent an e-mail to 8 of us.  One e-mail addy was mistyped.   Yep
> you guessed it every 5 minutes or so it kept resending the e-mail
> because the Verisign site didn't return an error properly.  It didn't
> stop sending until he turned off his laptop. (not knowing what it was
> doing.) and as a result we all got 35+ copies of the mail.  Now take
> this times the number of Outlook users (and similarly affect e-mail
> clients) and you've got the perfect DDoS attack, guaranteed to take down
> the net. (IMHO)  
> 
> James 
> 

Yikes! It's been about a year since I've used Outlook and then it was in
corporate mode, I forgot that little "feature".
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RE: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Jack Coates]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 06:39, Tango Echo wrote:
> >That is another problem.  I found out about it from
> other
> >distribution's security announcements then I checked
> MandrakeSecure and
> >found that they posted the information there.  They
> should send an
> >announcement like this to the mailing lists.
> >
> >Avi
> >
> 
> 
> That's strange! I think of individuals that are
> familiar with Linux to be more security oriented... 
> Ya know, it would be best to either have some type of
> notification OR an auto updater like what XP has -
> Check for updates, downloaded when read and confirm
> install or automatically download and install...

man urpmi and man cron.
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[expert] Tuxtype2

[Guy Van Sanden]

Hi

I was trying to install tuxtype2, but both the RPM and building from
source fail.
Has anyone been able to get this running?

I'm on Mandrake 9.1.

Thanks

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RE: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Tango Echo]

>On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 06:39, Tango Echo wrote:
>> >That is another problem.  I found out about it
from
>> other
>> >distribution's security announcements then I
checked
>> MandrakeSecure and
>> >found that they posted the information there. 
They
>> should send an
>> >announcement like this to the mailing lists.
>> >
>> >Avi
>> >
>>
>>
>> That's strange! I think of individuals that are
>> familiar with Linux to be more security oriented...
>> Ya know, it would be best to either have some type
of
>> notification OR an auto updater like what XP has -
>> Check for updates, downloaded when read and confirm
>> install or automatically download and install...
>
>man urpmi and man cron.
>...
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>

dle: A Scientific Venture...
>

Hi Jack,

Thanks for the reminder... However I should have been
more clear in what I was trying to say.  We can all
agree that Mandrake is known as the "newbie's Linux"
while of course still remaining a powerful operating
system.  I was suggesting that Mandrake include some
type of update app automatically ready to be
configured in the window manager (etc).  Therefor,
when the newb logs in, they are asked to configure the
update app just like in XP.  While the updates may not
be as severe and critical as they may be in the
Windows world, they are still important.  I guess I
should have anticipated your reply since I AM posting
on the expert list ;)

Tango


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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Wolfgang Bornath]

Thomas Backlund schrieb am Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:46:10 +0300:

> Tango Echo kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Keskiviikko 17 Syyskuu
> 2003 16:39):
> >
> > So I guess the answer to my question is: Check
> > mandrakesecure.net at least once a week  - look on the
> > right side for "Recent Mandrake Linux Advisories"?
> 
> Go to:
> http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/mlist.php
> and choose wich varnings you want mailed to you...

...and/or subscribe to the Mandrake Community Newsletter (issued 2x per
month) which contains a "Security Updates" section.

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Miark]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:16:07 -0500, Avi Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It would be also nice if Mandrake would send notification about security 
> patches to their mailing lists.  

I this is a good idea, too.

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Re: [expert] Tuxtype2

[Eric Fernandez]

Guy Van Sanden wrote:

Hi

I was trying to install tuxtype2, but both the RPM and building from
source fail.
Has anyone been able to get this running?
I'm on Mandrake 9.1.

Thanks

Guy

Could you provide the compilation error ?

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RE: [expert] tightvnc startup problem?

[JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)]

You might also need to update your qt libs. Look in MandrakeUpdate and you
may see an update for qt that mentions vnc...

David

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Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] tightvnc startup problem?


Hi, all

I installed and started a tightvnc server on an IPC. I
can connect to this IPC from another workstation with
no problem. But only icewm is available. If I put the
following line in xstartup:

exec /usr/X11R6/bin/icewm

I got a windows manager after connection established.

exec /usr/X11R6/bin/startkde

I got nothing.

Why I can't get a KDE desktop?


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Re: [expert] nforce2, I don't know how to use it or a bad choice for linux?

[Mark]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 13:39, Vincent Chen wrote:
> Hi, all
> 
> My old VIA mainboard was gone weeks ago and I bought a
> nforce2 board to replace it. I got a lot of situation
> with this new board:
> 
> 1. usb mouse won't work during mandrake 9.0
> installation event I set it to USB 1.0/1.1 only,but it
> works ok after new system start up. Is this a hardware
> or mandrake problem?

Mandrake 9.1 would be a better choice for the Nforce2 Motherboard.. 
remember that the Nforce2 were not out when the 9.0 Mandrake was being
made.

The USB will only work after the Nforce drivers are installed.. 
probably use a PS2 mouse during install..   then install the drivers,
then use mousedrake to switch it back to a USB mouse.

> 2. while review dmesg output,my IDE drive hda doesn't
> indicate as UDMA100. It does show as UDMA100 in the
> old board. Should I run hdparm to get better
> performance?

Once again..  Mandrake 9.1 will enable DMA by default for the Nforce
motherboard but Mandrake 9.0 you will have to deal with the DMA manually
with hdparm.

> 3. It quit offen that I got heavy disk I/O while using
> mozilla to surf the net. At this time, I can barely
> move mouse or do anything else. How can this happen?
> This is my first terrible experience under linux. Is
> it possible to tune the system for better performance.

Which network card driver are you using..   I found the massive problems
with the latest Nforce motherboard driver that runs the Network card.. 
that's the Version: 1.0-0261 one..  I use the Version: 1.0-0248 of the
driver at http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0248.html if
your running Mandrake 9.1 you will need to rebuild the source RPM.. 
Still the problems were noticed with a Nforce1 motherboard, the Version:
1.0-0261 maybe O.K. with the Nforce2 motherboard.

> 4. Each day I use ntpdate to sync system time with a
> time server, I got offset > 100s. The value for old
> system always less than 5s. Is it possible caused by
> point 3?

Enable DMA for the hard drives with hdparm..   or install Mandrake 9.1
and it will be done for you. This will solve you problem.

> I have to say that this board works much better under
> windows than linux. Do you have recommendation for AMD
> boards which has best performance under linux? VIA?
> SIS?

Buying most new motherboards off the shelf you will probably have
problems with Mandrake 9.0.. It's just most of the band new boards were
not around when Mandrake9.0 was being made... anyway I would recommend
the Nforce motherboard, when tuned correctly they fly..

Cheers
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Re: [expert] Verisign hijacks .com and .net DNS space

[Eric Huff]

>   Oh and it seems that Outlook is really affected by this.  One of our
> people sent an e-mail to 8 of us.  One e-mail addy was mistyped.   Yep
> you guessed it every 5 minutes or so it kept resending the e-mail
> because the Verisign site didn't return an error properly.  It didn't
> stop sending until he turned off his laptop. (not knowing what it was
> doing.) and as a result we all got 35+ copies of the mail.

Hey, someone on outlook should send a mail to a bad address and to the
troublesome sms address!

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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[Avi Schwartz]

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 05:17 AM, HaywireMac wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:08:07 +0700
Fajar Priyanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
What did Chomsky say about it?
Well, exactly what that Cambridge research showed, that people learn
language not in bits and pieces like the "phonics" method still in use
today, but by grokking whole chunks of meaning from analyzing 
contextual
patterns in speech and writing. I can't do him justice, so I won't go
further than that. Look him up on Google, there's lots out there, or
should I say tehres ltos out trehe.

If I understand it correctly they tried for few years in Israel to use 
the pattern method to teach kid to read and write.  It failed 
miserably.  So much so that in this school year they went back to the 
old system.  It will be intersting to hear from anyone living in Israel 
and having school age kids their opinion on what went wrong.

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Eric Fernandez]

Hi Jack,

Thanks for the reminder... However I should have been
more clear in what I was trying to say.  We can all
agree that Mandrake is known as the "newbie's Linux"
while of course still remaining a powerful operating
system.  I was suggesting that Mandrake include some
type of update app automatically ready to be
configured in the window manager (etc).  Therefor,
when the newb logs in, they are asked to configure the
update app just like in XP.  While the updates may not
be as severe and critical as they may be in the
Windows world, they are still important.  I guess I
should have anticipated your reply since I AM posting
on the expert list ;)
Tango

I proposed that idea on the cooker ML after release of 9.1. The idea was 
to perform an automatic urpmi.update command on a medium if the install 
of a package failed with error message "you may have to update your 
medium". Apparently it has not been implemented yet, but this could be a 
good idea to mdernise rpmdrake with such options :
- an automatic update of media at specific times
- an automatic update in case of install failure
I think media sources needs to be modernised indeed.

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Re: [expert] Mysql problem

[Bryan Phinney]

On Wednesday 17 September 2003 09:27 am, Timothy Brown wrote:
> Mandrake crashed on me last night with the errors:
> Sep 16 20:00:02 off186ods kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer
> dereference at virtual address 0094
> Sep 16 20:00:02 off186ods kernel: *pde = 
> I had to restart the computer and it did a file system check and now
> everything on the computer seems to work except mysql it says in linux
> conf that it is running but whenever I try to access it I get this error:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# mysql
> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
> '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111)
>
> I have tried do a mysql restart and I still get the same errors any ideas?
> Tim

Sounds like the crash left the sock file open on the drive and now when you 
try to start, it is unable to overwrite it.  To test, simply go into the 
directory and if that mysql.sock file is there, issue the command mv 
mysql.sock mysql.sock.backup and then try to start mysql.  If it starts, 
delete the backup file and have a beer.

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Brant Fitzsimmons]

Avi Schwartz wrote:
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 12:17 AM, James Sparenberg wrote:

On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 20:05, Avi Schwartz wrote:

Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
circulating).  I updated all the sources but urpmi --update
--auto-select told me that everything is up to date.  Tried the
graphical updater, the same story.  I ended up downloading the new RPMs
and installing them manually.  How am I supposed to trust DrakeUpdate
and urpmi?
This is something Mandrake can learn from SuSE.  Their online update
works perfectly every time.
Avi


No not every time.  Try to do an online update for the NVidia drivers.
100% failure on 6 boxes.  As for the problem.  Did you do urpmi.update
-a first?  If your inbox records are behind the servers records then
what it's telling you is correct.
That may be a little unfair to SuSE.  The NVidia drivers are closed 
source and so they can be a challenge for any distribution.  As I 
understand it, people fixed the problem by using the older driver.  But 
my point was not to talk about a specific patch.  It would be also nice 
if Mandrake would send notification about security patches to their 
mailing lists.  In generalshould look into tightening the update process 
when it comes to security patches.  Unlike regular updates that may not 
be very important some security patches can be critical.  Also 
downloading the list of files can be a major pain.  Couple of 15MB lists 
can take awhile, even at IDSL speeds (144K) not to mention dial-up speeds.

Avi
They do announce security patches.

http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/mlist.php

As far as the list of files-- goes go to:

http://www.zarb.org/~nanardon/

and set up an update source that uses rsync instead of ftp or http. Then 
when you run "urpmi.update -a" it will download only the differences in 
the list instead of the whole list.

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[expert] Give choice of login into local workstation or remote X-terminal? How?

[Apollo (Carmel Entertainment)]

I want to allow users to either login to their workstation (like the way it
works "our of the box)or login to remote x-terminal. Usualy they would run their
programs on X server via remote X terminal, but if server fails, they could
log-in localy and do some of the work on their slow systems.
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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[James Sparenberg]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 06:00, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2003 14:18, ed tharp wrote:
> > yes,,, but it still seems to me a gold mine for some entrepreneur who
> > can put it together to be a "hands off distribution contractor" where
> > the distribution and printing of the product are taken off MDKsofts
> > hands, and done by someone with as much expertise in CD and booklet
> > distribution and logistics as MDKsoft has at creating a great OS and
> > Distribution.
> > I
> 
> I doubt that!
> IIRC Red Hat too has stopped giving priority to boxed sets in the shops.
> The reason is it takes quite a bit of time to print cd's, boxes and manuals 
> after which the physical distribution takes time too.
> By the time the boxed sets hit the shops they're already outdated.
> Nobody in their right mind would invest in that.the only profit as stated 
> is "visibility" which can be gotten a lot cheaper and more effective IMHO.
> 
> Good luck,
> HarM

Harm,

   Whereas you could well be right.  You wouldn't know it here.  Compusa
now has a Linux "aisle" dominated by RH and SuSE box sets  Fry's has put
RH both in the aisle and on an endcap (which by the way was the way they
sold MDK up through 7.2)  The key seems to be the 3 disk sets as far as
a sales leader goes.  Why?  Getting people to do an impulse buy of a 30
dollar (roughly) set is a lot easier than the 100 dollar version.  But
still the problem in the US is that when you mention open source people
thing Red Hat (and as a FreeBSD user this is a real sore spot, FreeBSD
isn't Linux. *grin*) Doing things like LinuxWorld or Comdex in the US
isn't that important for a distro.  But visibility in the market place
is.  

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Re: [expert] Mysql problem

[Timothy Brown]

Thanks for the help.  That actully was not the problem the problem was 
that somehome the mysql database got deleted so mysql was actully not 
starting but wasn't giving me a real error.
Tim

Bryan Phinney wrote:

On Wednesday 17 September 2003 09:27 am, Timothy Brown wrote:
 

Mandrake crashed on me last night with the errors:
Sep 16 20:00:02 off186ods kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer
dereference at virtual address 0094
Sep 16 20:00:02 off186ods kernel: *pde = 
I had to restart the computer and it did a file system check and now
everything on the computer seems to work except mysql it says in linux
conf that it is running but whenever I try to access it I get this error:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# mysql
ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
'/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111)
I have tried do a mysql restart and I still get the same errors any ideas?
Tim
   

Sounds like the crash left the sock file open on the drive and now when you 
try to start, it is unable to overwrite it.  To test, simply go into the 
directory and if that mysql.sock file is there, issue the command mv 
mysql.sock mysql.sock.backup and then try to start mysql.  If it starts, 
delete the backup file and have a beer.

 



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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[James Sparenberg]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 02:46, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Holy cow!
> I'm sorry that I've been hijacking messages all this time, guys!
> Frankly speaking, I didn't know about it until I searched the archive on word 
> "hijacking".
> 
> I didn't even know how threaded folder works in Kmail, until you mention about 
> message's ID.
> 
> Really sorry again, guys. This is surely a new knowledge to me and I thank you 
> for that.


The only problem now is that for the life of me I can't find your
original post again. *grin*.  Doing a search on the "srabclmed" words
ain't easy *grin*.  Oh and thanks for taking the time to learn what
happened.  


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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Wednesday 17 September 2003 19:37, James Sparenberg wrote:
> The only problem now is that for the life of me I can't find your
> original post again. *grin*.  Doing a search on the "srabclmed" words
> ain't easy *grin*.  Oh and thanks for taking the time to learn what
> happened.  

So what do we do now? Pull straws to see who gets to do the script that'll 
scramble whole articles, in this fashion for us?
Perl, Python or bash?

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Re: [expert] Re: Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[James Sparenberg]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 06:01, Avi Schwartz wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 01:58 AM, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 10:05:18PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
> >> Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
> >> not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
> >> circulating).
> > [...]
> >
> > Well, while updating is definitely recommended, at least there seems to
> > be no reason to panic yet. Quote from the OpenSSH advisory:
> >
> > "All versions of OpenSSH's sshd prior to 3.7.1 contain buffer
> >  management errors.  It is uncertain whether these errors are
> >  potentially exploitable, however, we prefer to see bugs fixed 
> > proactively."
> >
> > Nonetheless, I just *love* the approach of the OpenSSH team. Would be
> > great if everybody did it that way.
> >
> When it comes to SSH, I am always nervous.  In the past, the admin at 
> the time, failed to update SSH and it was used to break into 3 of our 
> machines.  So, yeah, I am nervous :-)
> 
> Avi

True enough.  But compared to Telnet it's a vault.   


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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[kwan]

>Whereas you could well be right.  You wouldn't know it here.  Compusa
> now has a Linux "aisle" dominated by RH and SuSE box sets  Fry's has put
> RH both in the aisle and on an endcap (which by the way was the way they
> sold MDK up through 7.2)  The key seems to be the 3 disk sets as far as
> a sales leader goes.  Why?  Getting people to do an impulse buy of a 30
> dollar (roughly) set is a lot easier than the 100 dollar version.  But
> still the problem in the US is that when you mention open source people
> thing Red Hat (and as a FreeBSD user this is a real sore spot, FreeBSD
> isn't Linux. *grin*) Doing things like LinuxWorld or Comdex in the US
> isn't that important for a distro.  But visibility in the market place
> is.

I'm in CompUSA quite often, and after reading this thread, I was thinking
of ways that would make it easier for someone to buy Mandrake. How about
instead of putting CD media in boxes, a voucher is sold to the person
instead? When the buyer calls in the voucher information (or does it by
the web, or rings it up at the counter) then the current distribution will
be shipped to a provided address. This would allow a presence on the store
shelves without the hassle of printing the packages and CDs.

Is there a paid, priority download option available yet?

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[James Sparenberg]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 06:16, Avi Schwartz wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 12:17 AM, James Sparenberg wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 20:05, Avi Schwartz wrote:
> >> Today, Mandrake has issued a security update to ssh (BTW, if you did
> >> not update it yet, you better do it soon, before the exploit starts
> >> circulating).  I updated all the sources but urpmi --update
> >> --auto-select told me that everything is up to date.  Tried the
> >> graphical updater, the same story.  I ended up downloading the new 
> >> RPMs
> >> and installing them manually.  How am I supposed to trust DrakeUpdate
> >> and urpmi?
> >>
> >> This is something Mandrake can learn from SuSE.  Their online update
> >> works perfectly every time.
> >>
> >> Avi
> >
> > No not every time.  Try to do an online update for the NVidia drivers.
> > 100% failure on 6 boxes.  As for the problem.  Did you do urpmi.update
> > -a first?  If your inbox records are behind the servers records then
> > what it's telling you is correct.
> >
> 
> That may be a little unfair to SuSE.  The NVidia drivers are closed 
> source and so they can be a challenge for any distribution.  As I 
> understand it, people fixed the problem by using the older driver.  But 
> my point was not to talk about a specific patch.  It would be also nice 
> if Mandrake would send notification about security patches to their 
> mailing lists.  In generalshould look into tightening the update 
> process when it comes to security patches.  Unlike regular updates that 
> may not be very important some security patches can be critical.  Also 
> downloading the list of files can be a major pain.  Couple of 15MB 
> lists can take awhile, even at IDSL speeds (144K) not to mention 
> dial-up speeds.
> 
> Avi

Two points here.  1.  use the synthesis.hdlist.cz  instead of hdlist.cz
(huge diff in size) 2.  Under Configuration-other in your menu you'll
find "Discover Custom Services" If you buy a boxed set or are a club
member you can setup auto notification (via e-mail) and even auto update
of a box.

james
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[James Sparenberg]

On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 10:42, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2003 19:37, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > The only problem now is that for the life of me I can't find your
> > original post again. *grin*.  Doing a search on the "srabclmed" words
> > ain't easy *grin*.  Oh and thanks for taking the time to learn what
> > happened.  
> 
> So what do we do now? Pull straws to see who gets to do the script that'll 
> scramble whole articles, in this fashion for us?
> Perl, Python or bash?


Well given the appropriate nature of the name, I vote for BASH *grin*.
> 
> Good Luck,
> HarM


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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Vincent Danen]

On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 06:02:22AM -0700, Tango Echo wrote:

> They did?  How do you recieve notification? I though I
> was subscribed to the exploit list, but I haven't
> recieved a message in well over 6 months.  Do I need
> to resubscribe or are you receiving noitification by
> other means?  Obviously, staying up to date on
> exploits is a top priority and I'd like to be in the
> loop =)

The exploit list is for discussing exploits... the announce list is for
announcements.  You at least want to be subscribed to the latter.

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Vincent Danen]

On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 08:19:45AM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:

> That is another problem.  I found out about it from other 
> distribution's security announcements then I checked MandrakeSecure and 
> found that they posted the information there.  They should send an 
> announcement like this to the mailing lists.

The only problem is that you're not subscribed to the right mailing list.
Subscribe to the announce list (via MandrakeSecure, the very site you were
on).

Advisories go out in many forms; I can't help it if you don't pay attention
to one of the many:

- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- full-disclosure ml
- RSS feed from MandrakeSecure
- MandrakeSecure website (on nearly every single page)
- MandrakeClub (latest advisory always on the front page)

And no, announcements will not be going to this list or any other list other
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[expert] smbd utilizing 99% of the CPU

[James D. Parra]

Hello,

Have an MDK 9.1 server where the smb daemon is consistently using 99% of the
CPU although there are no Samba connections. 

Any ideas on what's going on?

Thank you in advance.

James


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Re: [expert] Tuxtype2

[Jack Coates]

Guy Van Sanden wrote:

Hi

I was trying to install tuxtype2, but both the RPM and building from
source fail.
Has anyone been able to get this running?
I'm on Mandrake 9.1.

Thanks

Guy

the tuxtype2-1.5.1-2RH RPM installed fine on mine, google for it.
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Re: [expert] smbd utilizing 99% of the CPU

[Richard Urwin]

On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 7:10 pm, James D. Parra wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Have an MDK 9.1 server where the smb daemon is consistently using 99%
> of the CPU although there are no Samba connections.
>
> Any ideas on what's going on?
It happens on mine too after about 21 days. I just kill winbindd and 
keep going. It doesn't seem to stop smb connections from windows 
machines, so my guess is bad samba configuration. I might fix it one 
day, or just get rid of samba.

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Charles A Edwards]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:03:59 -0600
Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The only problem is that you're not subscribed to the right mailing
> list. Subscribe to the announce list (via MandrakeSecure, the very
> site you were on).

It is all documented on the mailing list page

"Security holes are fixed as soon as possible when they are discovered.
Most of the new packages can easily be upgraded just by running
``MandrakeUpdate'' regularly. 

All security-related mailing-lists are listed at:
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/mlist.php";

Which in turn discloses this:

"[EMAIL PROTECTED] is a read-only list which will inform you
of new updates (security, bugfix, etc.) for all supported Mandrake Linux
distributions."

One can subscribe to it in the same manner as this list.


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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Avi Schwartz]

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:

Avi Schwartz wrote:

Also downloading the list of files can be a major pain.  Couple of 
15MB lists can take awhile, even at IDSL speeds (144K) not to mention 
dial-up speeds.
Avi
and set up an update source that uses rsync instead of ftp or http. 
Then when you run "urpmi.update -a" it will download only the 
differences in the list instead of the whole list.

That's great, I wasn't aware that there are sites allowing rsync.

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Re: [expert] Very sorry for the hijacked threads

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Wednesday 17 September 2003 19:55, James Sparenberg wrote:
> Well given the appropriate nature of the name, I vote for BASH *grin*.

Yes, well that would be the last straw, wouldn't it.

Oops! I forgot about Rubynever tried that one myself tho.
They say it's good.

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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[John Wilson]

On September 17, 2003 10:24 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
>Compusa
> now has a Linux "aisle" dominated by RH and SuSE box sets  Fry's has put
> RH both in the aisle and on an endcap (which by the way was the way they
> sold MDK up through 7.2)  The key seems to be the 3 disk sets as far as
> a sales leader goes.  Why?  Getting people to do an impulse buy of a 30
> dollar (roughly) set is a lot easier than the 100 dollar version.  But
> still the problem in the US is that when you mention open source people
> thing Red Hat (and as a FreeBSD user this is a real sore spot, FreeBSD
> isn't Linux. *grin*) Doing things like LinuxWorld or Comdex in the US
> isn't that important for a distro.  But visibility in the market place
> is.
>

I tend to agree, James.  But remember that this doesn't just apply to the US.  
It also applies to Canada where Linux isn't involved in quite the same the 
same M$hite vs the world arguments.

Visibilty is key to any of this.  And that does mean visibility in places like 
Future Shop, University bookstores and the like.

I know a retailer who follows the "most popular" distro polls and is 
frustrated as all get out that he can't get Mandrake on the shelves.

It all comes down to a chicken and egg argument.  People who try Linux will 
opt for RedHat or SuSE because it's on the shelves.  Mandrake barely even 
comes into it until some poor soul who bought RedHat suddenly realizes what a 
pain in the ass it is to configure.   Then they either give up or they'll 
listen and download the ISO and try Mandrake.  SuSE users don't have quite 
the same problems getting going but they have their problems too.

Meanwhile, I don't think this will get resolved here, sadly.  But perhaps 
Mandrake is listening. :-)

ttfn

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Avi Schwartz]

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Vincent Danen wrote:

On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 08:19:45AM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:

That is another problem.  I found out about it from other
distribution's security announcements then I checked MandrakeSecure 
and
found that they posted the information there.  They should send an
announcement like this to the mailing lists.
The only problem is that you're not subscribed to the right mailing 
list.
Subscribe to the announce list (via MandrakeSecure, the very site you 
were
on).

Advisories go out in many forms; I can't help it if you don't pay 
attention
to one of the many:

- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- full-disclosure ml
- RSS feed from MandrakeSecure
- MandrakeSecure website (on nearly every single page)
- MandrakeClub (latest advisory always on the front page)
And no, announcements will not be going to this list or any other list 
other
than the announce list.

I appreciate the information and I just subscribed to the announce 
list.  However, the same way I didn't know about the 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list I am sure there are many others that 
are not aware of it.  If there is a bug that has a potential of 
becoming a way to break into a computer I feel that all mailing list be 
notified of it to minimize the potential damage.  Mandrake may have 
many newbies (I hope you do, you need the business) which are new to 
Linux and may need this extra help.  One nice touch SuSE has is a small 
icon in the KDE task bar which changes color when there are updates 
available.  Click on it and you get a menu allowing you to check for 
updates, show the last update log or start the update process.  very 
nice, clean and can help users keep their system safe.

Avi


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Re: [expert] Re: Mandrake's visibility

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Wednesday 17 September 2003 20:34, John Wilson wrote:

> It all comes down to a chicken and egg argument.  People who try Linux will
> opt for RedHat or SuSE because it's on the shelves.  Mandrake barely even
> comes into it until some poor soul who bought RedHat suddenly realizes what
> a pain in the ass it is to configure.   Then they either give up or they'll
> listen and download the ISO and try Mandrake.  SuSE users don't have quite
> the same problems getting going but they have their problems too.
>
> Meanwhile, I don't think this will get resolved here, sadly.  But perhaps
> Mandrake is listening. :-)
>
> ttfn
>
> John

Well as you state it, people getting interested go into shops and buy.they 
don't buy Mandrake they buy Linux in general and RH and SuSe are there for 
the picking. Personally I think that distro's that come along with mags 
including a little handholding through an article is a more obvious way of 
starting. That's not on discussion here now, though.

Linux should be in the shops on offer like any proper OS, in nice enticing 
boxes too and if RH and SuSE are willing to take the losses to do just 
that.fine by me and good for them!:o)

It's all just a matter of adding and substracting costs, revenues and profits.

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[expert] testing

[Praedor Atrebates]

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 7:52 pm, Avi Schwartz wrote:
> I appreciate the information and I just subscribed to the announce
> list.  However, the same way I didn't know about the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] list I am sure there are many others
> that are not aware of it.  If there is a bug that has a potential
> of becoming a way to break into a computer I feel that all mailing
> list be notified of it to minimize the potential damage.  Mandrake
> may have many newbies (I hope you do, you need the business) which
> are new to Linux and may need this extra help.  One nice touch SuSE
> has is a small icon in the KDE task bar which changes color when
> there are updates available.  Click on it and you get a menu
> allowing you to check for updates, show the last update log or
> start the update process.  very nice, clean and can help users keep
> their system safe.
>
I'm sure that somewhere I was asked if I wanted to subscribe to 
announce, when I first installed.  On my own box run Mandrake Update 
weekly, but if I had a server I would be doing it every day.

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Re: [expert] testing

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 7:55 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> I need a test...why aren't my messages appearing in the list?
>
> praedor

Dunno, but this one did.  I've only seen one before this, this week 
(Monday)

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Re: [expert] testing

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Wednesday 17 September 2003 20:55, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> I need a test...why aren't my messages appearing in the list?  

Hijack a thread, that way you'll be sure the "list-Nazi" gets you;o)

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Avi Schwartz]

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Vincent Danen wrote:

Advisories go out in many forms; I can't help it if you don't pay 
attention
to one of the many:

- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- full-disclosure ml
- RSS feed from MandrakeSecure
- MandrakeSecure website (on nearly every single page)
- MandrakeClub (latest advisory always on the front page)
As I said, I did pay attention since I knew about it before Mandrake 
announced it.

Anyway, how do you subscribe to the RSS feed?  What is the url?

Thanks,
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Re: [expert] testing

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On Wednesday 17 September 2003 01:58 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 7:55 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> > I need a test...why aren't my messages appearing in the list?
> >
> > praedor
>
> Dunno, but this one did.  I've only seen one before this, this week
> (Monday)

Ya, I received my "testing" message very quickly.  Other posts either do not 
appear or seem to be long-delayed.  Does this list use some type of 
filter(s)?  The messages I have not seen were posts/questions about spams 
that appear to get past SpamAssassin no matter how many times repeat spams of 
the same nature are used to teach SpamAssassin that such are spam (bayesian 
filtering and sa-learn).  I was wondering if anyone else has recently run 
into problems with spam getting past spam filters...?

praedor

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Re: [expert] Startup Script

[jipe]

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:21:13 -0400
Gonzalo Avaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi experts
> I have a little question, i would like to have a script on the startup (could 
> be init.d) that should do two command lines:
> 
> /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | fgrep -i inet | cut -d : -f 2 | cut -d \  -f 1 &> 
> ipnumero
> mail -s "IP Number" [EMAIL PROTECTED] < ipnumero
> 
> I don_t know how to do a script, and have been looking but with no success.
> So, anyone can tell me where should i go to have an answer or someone can help 
> me with this???
> Thank you for your time
> 
> --
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> CHILE
> 
> 

hi ! man chkconfig will help you

about the command itself, you could use bash to get the same result. about 4x faster 
...

set -- $(/sbin/ifconfig eth0 2>/dev/null); echo ${7//[^0-9.]/}

set cuts stdout from ifconfig into positional parameters, according to $IFS. the 
interesting parameter is $7 on my system (locales = FR). echo ${7//[^0-9.]/} shows 
only the ip part (cyphers+dots) from it.

bye
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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Vincent Danen]

On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 01:52:09PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:

> >Advisories go out in many forms; I can't help it if you don't pay 
> >attention
> >to one of the many:
> >
> >- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >- full-disclosure ml
> >- RSS feed from MandrakeSecure
> >- MandrakeSecure website (on nearly every single page)
> >- MandrakeClub (latest advisory always on the front page)
> >
> >And no, announcements will not be going to this list or any other list 
> >other
> >than the announce list.
> >
> I appreciate the information and I just subscribed to the announce 
> list.  However, the same way I didn't know about the 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] list I am sure there are many others that 
> are not aware of it.  If there is a bug that has a potential of 
> becoming a way to break into a computer I feel that all mailing list be 
> notified of it to minimize the potential damage.  Mandrake may have 
> many newbies (I hope you do, you need the business) which are new to 
> Linux and may need this extra help.  One nice touch SuSE has is a small 

I'm sorry, but I disagree.  I don't like the idea of spamming all of the
lists (and while it might not be considered spam, why do it when there is
one list that covers them all?).  It's a matter of education.  If someone
gets on the newbie or expert list, they've likely visited the website.
There is a link to the MandrakeSecure lists, clearly marked for
security-related lists, on the mandrakelinux.com page where you can
subscribe to the other lists.  How difficult is it to subscribe to these
other lists?  No, one other list?

Problem is people don't take security seriously, so they don't sign up for
the list.  There isn't much we can do to combat that... in the same way,
they may skip those messages we put on every single list and then what?

Also, FWIW, if you sign up for MandrakeOnline, you'll get alerts sent to
your inbox.

> icon in the KDE task bar which changes color when there are updates 
> available.  Click on it and you get a menu allowing you to check for 
> updates, show the last update log or start the update process.  very 
> nice, clean and can help users keep their system safe.

I agree, this would be nice and hopefully this is something that can be done
for 9.3 or 10.0.

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Re: [expert] testing

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 8:04 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2003 01:58 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 7:55 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> > > I need a test...why aren't my messages appearing in the list?
> > >
> > > praedor
> >
> > Dunno, but this one did.  I've only seen one before this, this
> > week (Monday)
>
> Ya, I received my "testing" message very quickly.  Other posts
> either do not appear or seem to be long-delayed.  Does this list
> use some type of filter(s)?  The messages I have not seen were
> posts/questions about spams that appear to get past SpamAssassin no
> matter how many times repeat spams of the same nature are used to
> teach SpamAssassin that such are spam (bayesian filtering and
> sa-learn).  I was wondering if anyone else has recently run into
> problems with spam getting past spam filters...?
>
I had a couple on Monday that I would have expected to be caught, but 
POPFilter continues to perform outstandingly well.  Those sms ones 
were still getting past kmail's pop filters up to the weekend, but 
they seem to have stopped.  That's about all, really

Anne

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Steffen Barszus]

Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 21:07 schrieb Vincent Danen:

> Problem is people don't take security seriously, so they don't sign
> up for the list.  There isn't much we can do to combat that... in the
> same way, they may skip those messages we put on every single list
> and then what?

Yep agree. It would be a horror to spam the lists !!!Getting it four 
times with an interest in security even five times ? No way. I inform 
me on what i'm interested in. running urpmi update in cron and looking 
sometimes on mandrakesecure should be enough. Even on servers. 

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Thomas Backlund]

Vincent Danen kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Keskiviikko 17 Syyskuu 2003 
22:07):
> On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 01:52:09PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
> > >Advisories go out in many forms; I can't help it if you don't pay
> > >attention
> > >to one of the many:
> > >
> > >- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >- full-disclosure ml
> > >- RSS feed from MandrakeSecure
> > >- MandrakeSecure website (on nearly every single page)
> > >- MandrakeClub (latest advisory always on the front page)
> > >
> > >And no, announcements will not be going to this list or any other list
> > >other
> > >than the announce list.
> >
> > I appreciate the information and I just subscribed to the announce
> > list.  However, the same way I didn't know about the
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] list I am sure there are many others that
> > are not aware of it.  If there is a bug that has a potential of
> > becoming a way to break into a computer I feel that all mailing list be
> > notified of it to minimize the potential damage.  Mandrake may have
> > many newbies (I hope you do, you need the business) which are new to
> > Linux and may need this extra help.  One nice touch SuSE has is a small
>
> I'm sorry, but I disagree.  I don't like the idea of spamming all of the
> lists (and while it might not be considered spam, why do it when there is
> one list that covers them all?).  It's a matter of education.  If someone
> gets on the newbie or expert list, they've likely visited the website.
> There is a link to the MandrakeSecure lists, clearly marked for
> security-related lists, on the mandrakelinux.com page where you can
> subscribe to the other lists.  How difficult is it to subscribe to these
> other lists?  No, one other list?
>
> Problem is people don't take security seriously, so they don't sign up for
> the list.  There isn't much we can do to combat that... in the same way,
> they may skip those messages we put on every single list and then what?
>
> Also, FWIW, if you sign up for MandrakeOnline, you'll get alerts sent to
> your inbox.
>
> > icon in the KDE task bar which changes color when there are updates
> > available.  Click on it and you get a menu allowing you to check for
> > updates, show the last update log or start the update process.  very
> > nice, clean and can help users keep their system safe.
>
> I agree, this would be nice and hopefully this is something that can be
> done for 9.3 or 10.0.

AFAIK in contribs there is a package started with the aim of doing this:
mdk-check-update-*

I haven't tested it myself so I can't say if it works... 

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Re: [expert] linux multitask performance?

[Magnus Wirström]

Yea ... this gives me a idea how I will configure this :)

Thanks for the help !!!
Magnus
Ronald J. Hall wrote:

On Tuesday 16 September 2003 03:08 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:

 

Yes, /etc/sysconfig/harddisks is the usual place to put those settings -
remember to copy harddisks to /etc/sysconfig as harddiskshda or harddiskhdb
or whatever your setup requires. "hdparm" needs to be installed as well.
   

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Re: [expert] linux multitask performance?

[Magnus Wirström]

Ok ... now I can check if it is working... and it does according to 
hdparm  :-)

Thanks
Magnus
Guy Van Sanden wrote:

Did you also enable it to run at boot in MDK control center?
You can check if the settings were made after reboot by using hdparm
again (as root):
do 'hdparm /dev/hda' (repeat for every drive)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] src]# hdparm /dev/hda

/dev/hda:
multcount= 16 (on)
IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
unmaskirq=  1 (on)
using_dma=  1 (on)
keepsettings =  1 (on)
readonly =  0 (off)
readahead=  8 (on)
geometry = 9732/255/63, sectors = 156355584, start = 0
You speciefied -u -d -k, this maps to unmaskirq, keepsettings, using_dma

Happy hacking...

On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 17:07, Magnus Wirström wrote:
 

This is great ... I was looking for qa way to do this :) I did you say 
and put in a script in

/etc/init.d/idedma (the script you attached). I wonder ... if there a way to see that the script is starting correctly and the settings are really made to my system?

Anyway ... thanks for the tip 

Magnus

Guy Van Sanden wrote:

   

First of all, what kind of system are you on (CPU - RAM), which burner
are we talking about?
Is it an IDE burner with SCSI emulation?

What could help a lot is tune your disc devices with hdparm (I got a
huge boost out of this).
Install hdparm with 'urpmi hdparm'.
First turn to your hard drive (/dev/hda I will assume), since it is the
source of data for both your writer OS and programs, it needs to work
optimal.
- check the current settings and mail the output to the list, this way
we can advice you better.
hdparm /dev/hda
Now, make sure you have the specifications of your devices handy. 

I use these settings for my Hardisk:
'hdparm -c1 -d1 -k1 -u1 -X69 /dev/hda'
Breaking it up:
-c1: turn on 32-bit disk access
-d1: turn on DMA (is probably on already)
-k1: keep settings over bus reset (you need this)
-u1: Unmasq IRQ (reduces waits between different disk operations) -
Watch out with this one, it has been known to cause system instabilities
on some motherboards/harddisks, but it works fine for me.
-X69: force IDE-DMA Mode5 (UDMA 100) (adapt to your need, check 'man
hdparm'
Test them out to see which one suit you best.

Now do almost the same for the cdrom/dvd/writer devices (e.g. /dev/hdc)
'hdparm -c1 -d1 -k1 -u1 /dev/hdc'
'hdparm -c1 -d1 -k1 -u1 /dev/hdd'
Again, test it carefully.
If you are satisfied with what you got, put it in a startup script like
the one below (which is /etc/init.d/idedma)
Then open the Control Center, go to system - services and set it to run
at boot.
--> done

Additionally you can also switch filesystems to get an even better
performance.
I found ReiserFS very fast, XFS has been reported to be great too.
Good luck and have a lot of fun!



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#!/bin/sh
# description: hdparm setup voor harddisks
# chkconfig: 2345 99 00
HDPARM="/sbin/hdparm"

case "$1" in
'start')
echo "Setting up DMA parameters (hdparm)..."
$HDPARM -qc1 -qd1 -qk1 -qu1 -qX69 /dev/hda
$HDPARM -qc1 -qd1 -qk1 -qu1 /dev/hdc
$HDPARM -qc1 -qd1 -qk1 -qu1 /dev/hdd
touch /var/lock/subsys/idedma
;;
'stop')
rm -f /var/lock/subsys/idedma
;;
*)
echo "Usage: $0 { start | stop }"
;;
esac
exit 0
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Dear all,

Recently, I bought a CDR. While burning CD using
xcdroast at 48x, I can barely move my mouse or do
anything else. It is still very smooth burning cd and
surfing net under windows 2000. How should I tune my
mandrake 9.0 for better performance?
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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Jack Coates]

Steffen Barszus wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 21:07 schrieb Vincent Danen:


Problem is people don't take security seriously, so they don't sign
up for the list.  There isn't much we can do to combat that... in the
same way, they may skip those messages we put on every single list
and then what?


Yep agree. It would be a horror to spam the lists !!!Getting it four 
times with an interest in security even five times ? No way. I inform 
me on what i'm interested in. running urpmi update in cron and looking 
sometimes on mandrakesecure should be enough. Even on servers. 

Steffen
I'm on Bugtraq -- I get the alert once from mandrakesecure, once from 
Mandrake's message to bugtraq, and once from every other Linux 
distributor out there, in addition to the original discovery argument.

Mandrake is typically pretty slow about updates compared to RH and 
Gentoo, but hopefully that'll change if/when they hire Vincent some 
minions :-)
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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Vincent Danen]

On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 02:03:48PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:

> >Advisories go out in many forms; I can't help it if you don't pay 
> >attention
> >to one of the many:
> >
> >- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >- full-disclosure ml
> >- RSS feed from MandrakeSecure
> >- MandrakeSecure website (on nearly every single page)
> >- MandrakeClub (latest advisory always on the front page)
> >
> As I said, I did pay attention since I knew about it before Mandrake 
> announced it.

That wasn't your point tho, was it?  You weren't aware of Mandrake's
announcements.  That I believe was the point.

> Anyway, how do you subscribe to the RSS feed?  What is the url?

http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php IIRC.

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[expert] chmod adn chgrp confusion on symbolic links

[bascule]

i am confused as to why a chgrp command on a symbolic link will change the 
group of the link and not the target but a chmod command on the link will 
change the mode of the target and leave the link alone, i'm sure this isn't 
what i should expect but this seems so basic that i can't believe i have a
bug,
the two symbolic links are:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bascule]$ ls /dev/mix*
/dev/mixer@  /dev/mixer1@

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Rolf Pedersen]

Avi Schwartz wrote:

[..]
need this extra help.  One nice touch SuSE has is a small icon in the 
KDE task bar which changes color when there are updates available.  
Click on it and you get a menu allowing you to check for updates, show 
the last update log or start the update process.  very nice, clean and 
can help users keep their system safe.

Avi
In cooker contrib/, there is such an app that has been recently written, 
mutray:

MUTray sits in the KDE system tray, and displays a notification when there
are new updates.  It can then install the packages with urpmi.
I think the binary will work in 9.1 or rebuild the 
contrib/SRPMS/mutray-0.3-2mdk.src.rpm package.

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Vincent Danen]

On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 12:43:05PM -0700, Jack Coates wrote:

> >>Problem is people don't take security seriously, so they don't sign
> >>up for the list.  There isn't much we can do to combat that... in the
> >>same way, they may skip those messages we put on every single list
> >>and then what?
> >
> >
> >Yep agree. It would be a horror to spam the lists !!!Getting it four 
> >times with an interest in security even five times ? No way. I inform 
> >me on what i'm interested in. running urpmi update in cron and looking 
> >sometimes on mandrakesecure should be enough. Even on servers. 
> >
> >Steffen
> 
> I'm on Bugtraq -- I get the alert once from mandrakesecure, once from 
> Mandrake's message to bugtraq, and once from every other Linux 
> distributor out there, in addition to the original discovery argument.
> 
> Mandrake is typically pretty slow about updates compared to RH and 
> Gentoo, but hopefully that'll change if/when they hire Vincent some 
> minions :-)

I think all things considered, we aren't that slow.  If you're defining slow
by a few hours, shame on you, if you're defining it by a few days, shame on
me.

I think we're fairly close to the other big players when it comes to the big
updates.

And, also, keep in mind that RH and SuSE both employ about a half dozen
security folks and, IIRC, gentoo doesn't have to worry about compiling for a
number of different versions.  Contrary to popular opinion, it *does* take
time to properly compile and test packages on each supported platform.

We also don't run our own server for updates so we have to wait for
mirroring... RH can put the packages up and announce it that minute, we have
to wait at least 1-2hrs before announcing or I get flooded with "you
announced it so where is it?" messages, just due to the mirroring process.

With all that in mind, I think this one-man operation is pretty damn speedy.

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Lee Wiggers]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:20:36 -0700
Rolf Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> Avi Schwartz wrote:
> > 
> [..]
> > need this extra help.  One nice touch SuSE has is a small icon
> > in the KDE task bar which changes color when there are updates
> > available.  Click on it and you get a menu allowing you to check
> > for updates, show the last update log or start the update
> > process.  very nice, clean and can help users keep their system
> > safe.
> > 
> > Avi
> 
> In cooker contrib/, there is such an app that has been recently
> written, mutray:
> 
> MUTray sits in the KDE system tray, and displays a notification
> when there are new updates.  It can then install the packages with
> urpmi.
> 
> I think the binary will work in 9.1 or rebuild the 
> contrib/SRPMS/mutray-0.3-2mdk.src.rpm package.
> 
> Rolf
> 
> 
> 

Sylpheed-Claws has such a plug-in to tell me when I have mail. 
Scared me to death the first time everything flashed.  Thought kde
had suffered a cardiac thing.

I unplugged it.  I always have new mail.

Lee



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[expert] X-server up, but how do I get workstation to use it? How to log in?

[Apollo (Carmel Entertainment)]

I have X server working. It looks like there no problems with it.
Now how do I have workstations (that have full Mandrake 9.1 installed in them)
to use X server, but not their own X right when they are turned on. I want the
login screen to come up that is fed from X server (not local one).
I am lost, plase help!

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Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Dick Gevers]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:25:04 +0300, Thomas Backlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about
Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?:

>Vincent Danen kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Keskiviikko 17 Syyskuu
>2003 22:07):

{ Avi Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> }

>> > icon in the KDE task bar which changes color when there are updates
>> > available.  Click on it and you get a menu allowing you to check for
>> > updates, show the last update log or start the update process.  very
>> > nice, clean and can help users keep their system safe.
>>
>> I agree, this would be nice and hopefully this is something that can be
>> done for 9.3 or 10.0.
>
>AFAIK in contribs there is a package started with the aim of doing this:
>mdk-check-update-*
>
>I haven't tested it myself so I can't say if it works... 


With all due respect to you all, but I don`t like the idea one bit. It means
Mandrakesoft has a line into my taskbar which I did not ask for. Just as I
don`t like Microsoft working interactively with my computer, or other
adware/spyware calling home when I still used Windows, I wouldn`t like
Mandrakesoft to have a thread into any corner of my boxes. If it`s an
optional package,  fine I won`t use it. If it comes built in the distro I
will disable it, remove it or whatever it takes to avoid it. It goes against
my sense of privacy. Maybe not to that of others, very well, but I don`t
like the idea.

Just my EUR 0.02.

Ciao,
=Dick Gevers=


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[expert] Null Pointer af_packet:__insmod_af_packet_O/lib/modules/2.4.19-35mdkenterprise

[Albert E. Whale, CISSP]

I am getting the following errors from my Mandrake 8.2 server.  Any Ideas?

Sep 15 18:19:17 access kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 
virtual address 0004
Sep 15 18:38:51 access kernel:  printing eip:
Sep 15 18:55:42 access kernel: f7a617b0
Sep 15 19:12:16 access kernel: *pde = 
Sep 15 19:29:10 access kernel: Oops: 
Sep 15 19:46:24 access kernel: CPU:0
Sep 15 20:04:42 access kernel: EIP:
0010:[af_packet:__insmod_af_packet_O/lib/modules/2.4.19-35mdkenterprise/ker+-4949/96]
Not tainted
Sep 15 20:20:05 access kernel: EIP:0010:[]Not tainted
Sep 15 20:26:43 access kernel: EFLAGS: 00010282
Sep 15 20:43:01 access kernel: eax: bec4   ebx: f6816000   ecx: f7a5e000   edx: 

Sep 15 20:58:14 access kernel: esi: c0108c83   edi: 000b   ebp: f6817fb8   esp: 
f6817f80
Sep 15 21:12:52 access kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Sep 15 21:27:20 access kernel: Process sh (pid: 24590, stackpage=f6817000)
Sep 15 21:42:33 access kernel: Stack:  bff4 0292 cdd96000 c0148b0e 
cdd96000 bec4 000b
Sep 15 21:57:32 access kernel: cdd96000 000b f6816000 c0108c83 
000b bfffe5b8 f7a619a4
Sep 15 22:02:49 access kernel:     
  
Sep 15 22:03:07 access kernel: Call Trace:[getname+94/160] [system_call+51/56]
Sep 15 22:03:15 access kernel: Call Trace:[] []
Sep 15 22:03:15 access kernel:
Sep 15 22:03:15 access kernel: Code: 8b 42 04 83 f8 ff c7 45 f0 20 00 00 00 c7 45 ec 
3a 0a 00 00
Sep 15 22:03:23 access kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 
virtual address 0004
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel:  printing eip:
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: f7a617b0
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: *pde = 
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: Oops: 
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: CPU:0
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: EIP:
0010:[af_packet:__insmod_af_packet_O/lib/modules/2.4.19-35mdkenterprise/ker+-4949/96]
Not tainted
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: EIP:0010:[]Not tainted
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: EFLAGS: 00010282
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: eax: bb64   ebx: d5e66000   ecx: f7a5e000   edx: 

Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: esi: c0108c83   edi: 000b   ebp: d5e67fb8   esp: 
d5e67f80
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Sep 15 22:03:24 access kernel: Process ipop3d (pid: 25689, stackpage=d5e67000)
Sep 15 22:03:25 access kernel: Stack:  bfeb 0292 cdd96000 c0148b0e 
cdd96000 bb64 000b
Sep 15 22:03:27 access kernel: cdd96000 000b d5e66000 c0108c83 
000b b018 f7a619a4
Sep 15 22:03:27 access kernel:     
  
Sep 15 22:03:27 access kernel: Call Trace:[getname+94/160] [system_call+51/56]
Sep 15 22:03:27 access kernel: Call Trace:[] []
Sep 15 22:03:27 access kernel:
Sep 15 22:03:27 access kernel: Code: 8b 42 04 83 f8 ff c7 45 f0 20 00 00 00 c7 45 ec 
3a 0a 00 00
Sep 15 22:03:27 access kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 
virtual address 0004
Sep 15 22:03:27 access kernel:  printing eip:
Sep 15 22:03:36 access kernel: f7a617b0
Sep 15 22:03:42 access kernel: *pde = 
Sep 15 22:03:58 access kernel: Oops: 
Sep 15 22:04:17 access kernel: CPU:0
Sep 15 22:04:17 access kernel: EIP:
0010:[af_packet:__insmod_af_packet_O/lib/modules/2.4.19-35mdkenterprise/ker+-4949/96]
Not tainted
Sep 15 22:04:18 access kernel: EIP:0010:[]Not tainted
Sep 15 22:04:18 access kernel: EFLAGS: 00010282
Sep 15 22:04:18 access kernel: eax: bb94   ebx: f34a4000   ecx: f7a5e000   edx: 

Sep 15 22:04:22 access kernel: esi: c0108c83   edi: 000b   ebp: f34a5fb8   esp: 
f34a5f80
Sep 15 22:04:24 access kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Sep 15 22:04:24 access kernel: Process checkrad (pid: 25761, stackpage=f34a5000)
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel: Stack:  bfe3 0292 cdd96000 c0148b0e 
cdd96000 bb94 000b
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel: cdd96000 000b f34a4000 c0108c83 
000b bfffe528 f7a619a4
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel:     
  
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel: Call Trace:[getname+94/160] [system_call+51/56]
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel: Call Trace:[] []
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel:
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel: Code: 8b 42 04 83 f8 ff c7 45 f0 20 00 00 00 c7 45 ec 
3a 0a 00 00
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel:  <1>Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at
virtual address 0004
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel:  printing eip:
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel: f7a617b0
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel: *pde = 
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel: Oops: 
Sep 15 22:04:25 access kernel: CPU:0
Sep 15 22:04:26 access kernel: EIP:
0010:[af_packet:__insmod_af_packet_O

Re: [expert] Why is urpmi such a pain in the ...?

[Ricardo (Tru64 User)]

Are you serious?? One man operation??
What will happen if/when the heat stroke gets you?

Wandering.

--- Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed Sep 17, 2003 at 12:43:05PM -0700, Jack Coates
> wrote:
> 
> > >>Problem is people don't take security seriously,
> so they don't sign
> > >>up for the list.  There isn't much we can do to
> combat that... in the
> > >>same way, they may skip those messages we put on
> every single list
> > >>and then what?
> > >
> > >
> > >Yep agree. It would be a horror to spam the lists
> !!!Getting it four 
> > >times with an interest in security even five
> times ? No way. I inform 
> > >me on what i'm interested in. running urpmi
> update in cron and looking 
> > >sometimes on mandrakesecure should be enough.
> Even on servers. 
> > >
> > >Steffen
> > 
> > I'm on Bugtraq -- I get the alert once from
> mandrakesecure, once from 
> > Mandrake's message to bugtraq, and once from every
> other Linux 
> > distributor out there, in addition to the original
> discovery argument.
> > 
> > Mandrake is typically pretty slow about updates
> compared to RH and 
> > Gentoo, but hopefully that'll change if/when they
> hire Vincent some 
> > minions :-)
> 
> I think all things considered, we aren't that slow. 
> If you're defining slow
> by a few hours, shame on you, if you're defining it
> by a few days, shame on
> me.
> 
> I think we're fairly close to the other big players
> when it comes to the big
> updates.
> 
> And, also, keep in mind that RH and SuSE both employ
> about a half dozen
> security folks and, IIRC, gentoo doesn't have to
> worry about compiling for a
> number of different versions.  Contrary to popular
> opinion, it *does* take
> time to properly compile and test packages on each
> supported platform.
> 
> We also don't run our own server for updates so we
> have to wait for
> mirroring... RH can put the packages up and announce
> it that minute, we have
> to wait at least 1-2hrs before announcing or I get
> flooded with "you
> announced it so where is it?" messages, just due to
> the mirroring process.
> 
> With all that in mind, I think this one-man
> operation is pretty damn speedy.
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.mandrakesecure.net/
> Online Security Resource Book; http://linsec.ca/
> "lynx -source http://linsec.ca/vdanen.asc | gpg
> --import"
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> 

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[expert] mandrake distro on linux world magazine resource DVD dosn't install

[TAKane2]

Does anyone have this? i do and it won't boot from the dvd drive i've tried both computers and when i make a boot disk with a disk image on the DVD it boots fine but then tells me it dosn't regognize the DVD as the install CD and tells me to insert the install CD. Any solutions?

[expert] 9.1 + dsl-200 = no boot

[Tim Benham]

I just installed Mandrake 9.1 on an elderly IBM Aptiva 2158. Boot locks up
in 'Finding module dependencies' unless I unplug the D-Link dsl-200 USB adsl
modem. Is there a solution? I've searched the archives and the only thread
which might bear on this was in Italian.

cheers,
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