Re: [expert] Dual athlon problem with kernel 2.2

2002-12-03 Thread Hoyt Duff
On Monday 02 December 2002 07:48 pm, Paul Fotheringham scribbled in crayon on 
a yellow legal pad:
 The solution is to disable MPS 1.4 Support in the BIOS. Not sure what that

Would that be Multi Processor Specification?

http://www.uruk.org/~erich/mps.html


It seems like an APIC issue. I had severe IRQ and stability problems with a 
TYAN MP2466 dual Athlon board that seem to have been resolved with the recent 
cooker kernels.

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Re: [expert] urpmi --auto-select Couple of new questions about urpmi and installing big apps...

2002-12-01 Thread Hoyt Duff
On Sunday 01 December 2002 10:43 am, Franki scribbled in crayon on a yellow 
legal pad:
 1. I have two dozen mdk 9.0 boxes around town..  and I have set most of
 them up to use the same urpmi sources.
 But its a time consuming process to do so.. is there some config file or
 directory that I can copy to the new servers to give them the same sources?
 (texstar, contrib, plf, updates etc)??? that would be very handy if I could
 just copy across some  files and issue urpmi an update..

Why can't you tar /etc/urpmi and /var/lib/urpmi and install that tarball on 
each new machine? You could even write a .spec file to create an .rpm with 
them  and install and update all the sources easily

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[expert] Freetype 2.1.13 for Mandrake 9.0

2002-11-28 Thread Hoyt Duff
There has been a recent release of an improved freetype2. The announcement is 
at:  http://www.freetype.org/pipermail/announce/2002-November/17.html

The Cooker package seems to apply to Mandrake 9.0 without problems. I modified 
it to enable the bytecode interpreter and it looks very nice.

Reference: http://elektron.its.tudelft.nl/~rbos36/mdkfreetype2.html

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Re: [expert] Mandrake Club

2002-11-18 Thread Hoyt Duff
On Monday 18 November 2002 09:03 am, Jim Tarvid scribbled in crayon on a 
yellow legal pad:
 Of course, but it does explain why amounts charged vary slightly from
 amounts posted on the web site. Obviously this bothers some people.


As it should.

 I don't know an easy fix other than to route US payments through a US bank
 for prices quoted in US dollars.


The best solution, but it's likely not a viable option for Mandrake.

 The alternative is to quote the exact Euros and put the approximate US
 price in parentheses.

An acceptable solution.

Otherwise, the pricing on the website is . . . deceptive.

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Re: [expert] Mandrake update

2002-11-14 Thread hoyt

- Original Message -
From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake update


 On Thursday 14 November 2002 10:53 am, Marek wrote:
  Hi
 
  I would like to know to which directory are the updates stored to. So i
  reuse them if need be.

 Hi Marek;

 They're hiding in

 file:/var/cache/urpmi/rpms

 after download; but it clears after they're installed, so you'd have to
copy
 them somewhere else before that happens to save downloading them again.
You
 have to get there as root (su) to achieve anything of course.

 Regards;
 --
 Charlie


Is it possible to change the default behavior to _keep_ the packages?

That sure would save me bandwidth with multiple machines.

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Re: [expert] want no KDE on start up

2002-07-18 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 18 July 2002 11:39 am, J Herzfeld wrote:
 I am not sure if this is a newbie or an expert question, so apologies
 if I am wrong (anyway I am not subscribed to the newbie list)

 My system  (8.2) brings up KDE on boot up.
 I'd rather it would stop at the console and not start up KDE or
 Gnome or anything.

 After I do my console thing, I'd bring up whatever WM  I wanted by
 hand.  I am anxious to try out some new less resource intensive
 WM's.


You want to start in runlevel 3 instead of runlevel 5.

This is covered in the Linux FAQ with Answers.

Edit /etc/inittab and change the runlevel to 3 from 5. It should be obvious 
what to change from looking at the file.


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[expert] 8.2 and menudrake kill multi-head display and screw up menus and clock

2002-07-14 Thread Hoyt

I'm using 8.2 with the smp kernel (Tyan S2466 2xAthlon MP1600+) and a Matrox 
G450 for two heads and Voodoo3 PCI for the third head.

If I use menudrake to add a program, not only do I immediately drop to the 
dumbed down menu, I lose displays :0.1 and :0.2 after logging back in and 
the system becomes unstable (especially kmail and konqueror). Deleting the 
~/.kde/share/applink* directories restores everything. Almost.

As an after-effect, the time display in :0.2 reads 4 hours ahead of the other 
two displays.

Very, very strange.

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Re: [expert] kde and xinerama question

2002-07-13 Thread Hoyt

On Friday 12 July 2002 03:00 pm, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SICN wrote:
 I have a Matrox G450. All I can say is I dl'ed the
 Matrox drivers, and powerdesk from their site.

I use a G450 with the default XFree drivers and have no problems, but I think 
Dean is concerned about the windows re-sizing things ince KDE2 is _supposed 
to be xinerama aware. And it is to a point, but you do get some poor (read 
non-aware) window resizing behavior; KDE3 should be better.

The Enlightenment wm is better than kwin at being xinerama aware, but I 
forget how to use KDE with Enlightenment.

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Re: [expert] Good Exchange replacement

2002-07-08 Thread Hoyt

On Monday 08 July 2002 12:47 pm, Tommy Eaton wrote:
 Hello,

 Can any of you recommend a good replacement for Microsoft Exchange?  I have
 been eyeing Samsung Contact (OpenMail based), especially because it would
 support Outlook users (enterprise calendar, delegates, contacts, web
 access, etc) in our mainly MS environment.  Obviously something free would
 be nice, but it's not a requirement...  Thanks


Not exactly what you want, but an excellent scheduling/calendar app:

http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/mzou/webCal/

A friend runs a Linux-only hospital network (formerly a SCO-only shop) and 
uses webCal in a Dillo browser; that provides low overhead and good speed 
over his network. Then he uses sylpheed-claws for email.  All have had their 
source code highly customized for his use to eliminate security holes, 
un-needed options, etc. The whole place runs on Mandrake 8.2 on a single dual 
Athlon 1800+ server (SCO ran on a quad Xeon HP box).

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[expert] Konqueror 2.2.2 can no longer navigate to ftp sites

2002-07-07 Thread Hoyt

In Mandrake 8.2/Konqueror 2.2.2, I can no longer navigate to ftp sites in 
Konqueror as it attempts to open them as some sort of unknown file rather 
than a url. A search of the mail archives and Google have turned up nothing 
other than a cryptic message that this bug was fixed a year ago. I've 
looked at the MIME settings and have found nothing. So how do I restore this 
functionality?

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[expert] Konqueror has forgottten how to handle ftp sites

2002-07-06 Thread Hoyt

All of a sudden, Konqueror (Mandrake 8.2) wants to treat ftp:// urls as files 
instead of urls and I get an Open dialog box instead fo seeing the remote 
dirctory. The Konqueror docs offer no help, nor does a search of the mail 
list archives. Maybe it's because I don't know what to call this problem.

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Re: [expert] Recording Net-Radio Broadcasts (Chpt 1)

2002-06-25 Thread Hoyt

On Tuesday 25 June 2002 11:21, Randy Kramer wrote:
 I've taken the liberty of starting a WikiLearn page

URL?

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Re: [expert] I made it -- 1 year uptime

2002-06-25 Thread Hoyt

On Tuesday 25 June 2002 11:36, David Rankin wrote:
 The
 only downside is that in a year's time, I have forgotten most of the
 details on getting everything configured. So, when I move offices later
 this month, I will have to relearn my setup.


This is the value of maintaining a daily log of changes you make to the 
system. It not only helps you, but it helps the next guy as well.

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[expert] Alternative Mandrake RPM packages

2002-06-24 Thread Hoyt

There are a few sources for special Mandrake-ized RPM packages not included in 
the regular distribution (other than the Mandrake contribs section). I'm 
aware of:

http://home.wanadoo.nl/cchq/conmen/rpms.html

http://www.minlinux.org/projects/packages/

ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/Mandrake-8.2/RPMS

ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/Mandrake-8.2/Contrib


Are there others?

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Re: [expert] An add I just recieved.

2002-06-24 Thread Hoyt

 On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 04:23, Moose Magin wrote:
  No no no, I run Windows and Mandrake. Not just Mandrake. I don't know
  why, but i can't get Quake 3 running with sound in Mandrake, thus, I run
  Windows as well.
 
  Matt


This might help.

http://mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=2110lang=en


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Re: [expert] Instability: Athlon, mtrr, XFree86, 8.2, KDE3 - Solved ?

2002-06-23 Thread Hoyt

On Friday 21 June 2002 13:30, Tom Badran wrote:
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 On Saturday 22 Jun 2002 6:23 am, Hoyt wrote:
  Will a newer version of XFree86 help? Is the version in cooker
  (4.2.0-20-mdk) useable in 8.2?

 Dont know if it would help, but cooker packages have been recompiled with
 gcc 3.1 so you will get lots of screw ups if you try to use them with 8.2
 which was all compiled with 2.96. Alot of the core libraries are no longer
 binary compatible so will break a large amount of software if you try to
 upgrade.


I updated the XFree rpms with those from cooker without any apparent problems 
-- it hasn't crashed yet

Now I need to crank up my AGP settings (currently AGP2x in the BIOS and AGP 1x 
in XF86Config-4) to see how it works. Then maybe I'll remove mem=nopentium.

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Re: [expert] Instability: Athlon, mtrr, XFree86, 8.2, KDE3 - Solved ?

2002-06-23 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 23 June 2002 15:52, James wrote:
  Now I need to crank up my AGP settings (currently AGP2x in the BIOS
  and AGP 1x in XF86Config-4) to see how it works. Then maybe I'll
  remove mem=nopentium.

 Maybe it will solve my troubles too h yep time to fix it till it
 breaks *grin*


 James

AGP 4x works OK.

I also noticed that the XFree86 upgrade replaced the official Matrox drivers 
with the XFree mga drivers. sigh One more thing to evaluate.

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Re: [expert] Instability: Athlon, mtrr, XFree86, 8.2, KDE3

2002-06-22 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 22 June 2002 02:18, Todd Lyons wrote:
 Hoyt wrote on Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 01:23:05AM -0400 :
  BIOS version) with two Athlon XP1600+ cpu's and a Matrox G450 dual-head
  video

 Cooker had a recent thread where two people declared that G450 dual head
 was not working right.  Both of them removed the Xinerama config and it
 became stable.  (I thought you were on Cooker, so you probably already
 knew this though :)

Thanks.

I'm not using xinerama, just independent displays since 3D acceleration will 
not work in xinerama.

If I can ever get registered for the Matrox Linux forum, I'll ask them and 
report back here.

I skip through a lot on the cooker  list, so I probably missed it. (It looks 
like there is a unpublicized list for hard-core developers since a lot of the 
bug-fix traffic doesn't seem to show up there any more -- I may be wrong and 
there are just fewer bugs).

I suspect that it may eventually be a combination of mobo BIOS (some problems 
with TYAN shipping the mobo too quick) and the mga drivers and X11.

I could always go back to dual PCI video cards and see how that does, but the 
re-configuration is such a nightmare.
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[expert] Instability: Athlon, mtrr, XFree86, 8.2, KDE3

2002-06-21 Thread Hoyt

I believe I am having instability problems with X (the system just hums along 
in runlevel 3 without X running). I have a Tyan S4266 MPX mobo (most recent 
BIOS version) with two Athlon XP1600+ cpu's and a Matrox G450 dual-head video 
card. I have updated the video BIOS to the most recent version and am using 
the current Matrox-supplied X11 drivers. My XFree86 is version 4.2.0-10mdk 
(what comes with Mandrake 8.2).

I have an syslog message that tells me:

kernel: mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel
kernel: mtrr: your CPUs had inconsistent fixed MTRR settings
kernel: mtrr: probably your BIOS does not setup all CPUs
kernel: mtrr: base(0xea00) is not aligned on a size(0x180) boundary
kernel: mtrr: base(0xea00) is not aligned on a size(0x180) boundary
kernel: mtrr: base(0xea00) is not aligned on a size(0x180) boundary

The X11 log tells me:

(II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI:
[0] -1  0xffe0 - 0x (0x20) MX[B](B)
[1] -1  0x0010 - 0x3fff (0x3ff0) MX[B]E(B)
[2] -1  0x000f - 0x000f (0x1) MX[B]
[3] -1  0x000c - 0x000e (0x3) MX[B]
[4] -1  0x - 0x0009 (0xa) MX[B]
[5] -1  0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B]
[6] -1  0x - 0x00ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) All system resource ranges:
[0] -1  0xffe0 - 0x (0x20) MX[B](B)
[1] -1  0x0010 - 0x3fff (0x3ff0) MX[B]E(B)
[2] -1  0x000f - 0x000f (0x1) MX[B]
[3] -1  0x000c - 0x000e (0x3) MX[B]
[4] -1  0x - 0x0009 (0xa) MX[B]
[5] -1  0xe8903000 - 0xe890307f (0x80) MX[B]
[6] -1  0xe8902000 - 0xe8902fff (0x1000) MX[B]
[7] -1  0xe8901000 - 0xe8901fff (0x1000) MX[B]
[8] -1  0xe8c0 - 0xe8c00fff (0x1000) MX[B]
[9] -1  0xf000 - 0xf7ff (0x800) MX[B]
[10] -1 0xe800 - 0xe87f (0x80) MX[B](B)
[11] -1 0xe880 - 0xe8803fff (0x4000) MX[B](B)
[12] -1 0xea00 - 0xebff (0x200) MX[B](B)
[13] -1 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B]
[14] -1 0x - 0x00ff (0x100) IX[B]
[15] -1 0x2000 - 0x207f (0x80) IX[B]
[16] -1 0x2080 - 0x20bf (0x40) IX[B]
[17] -1 0x20c0 - 0x20cf (0x10) IX[B]
[18] -1 0x20d0 - 0x20d3 (0x4) IX[B]
[19] -1 0x20d8 - 0x20df (0x8) IX[B]
[20] -1 0x20d4 - 0x20d7 (0x4) IX[B]
[21] -1 0x20e0 - 0x20e7 (0x8) IX[B]
[22] -1 0xf000 - 0xf00f (0x10) IX[B]
[23] -1 0x1010 - 0x1013 (0x4) IX[B]


And, # cat /proc/mtrr

reg00: base=0x (   0MB), size= 512MB: write-back, count=1
reg01: base=0x2000 ( 512MB), size= 256MB: write-back, count=1
reg02: base=0xeb00 (3760MB), size=   8MB: write-combining, count=1
reg03: base=0xea80 (3752MB), size=   8MB: write-combining, count=1
reg04: base=0xea00 (3744MB), size=   8MB: write-combining, count=1
reg05: base=0xf000 (3840MB), size= 128MB: write-combining, count=1
reg06: base=0xeb80 (3768MB), size=   8MB: write-combining, count=1


In XF86Config-4, AGP is set to 1.

So after some mail list archive searching, I have inserted mem=nopentium in 
LILO and X is more stable, but it still crashes (although less frequently) 
and occasionally locks up the system completely (no ssh in, no vt; no 
Atl-Ctrl-Backspace, no Alt-Ctrl-Delete -- Alt- SysRq-B will reboot as will 
the hardware reset on the case -- thank goodness for reiserfs.

Will a newer version of XFree86 help? Is the version in cooker (4.2.0-20-mdk) 
useable in 8.2?

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Re: [expert] Instability: Athlon, mtrr, XFree86, 8.2, KDE3

2002-06-21 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 22 June 2002 01:46, KevinO wrote:
 You probably should have used Athlon MPs instead of XPs. They are made for
 SMP. Using the XPs is a gamble at best. That is why the MPs cost more.

The XPs are supposedly MP's with a trace laser cut; some silver paint causes 
the IOS to recognize them as MP's.

I suppose I could load WinNT to see if it's the mobo/cpu or X, but from what I 
have found in web searches, it's an X-related problem.

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Re: [expert] Instability: Athlon, mtrr, XFree86, 8.2, KDE3

2002-06-21 Thread Hoyt

On Friday 21 June 2002 13:30, Tom Badran wrote:
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 On Saturday 22 Jun 2002 6:23 am, Hoyt wrote:
  Will a newer version of XFree86 help? Is the version in cooker
  (4.2.0-20-mdk) useable in 8.2?

 Dont know if it would help, but cooker packages have been recompiled with
 gcc 3.1 so you will get lots of screw ups if you try to use them with 8.2
 which was all compiled with 2.96. Alot of the core libraries are no longer
 binary compatible so will break a large amount of software if you try to
 upgrade.



Hmmm, could I rebuild from the 4.2.0-20-mdk.src.rpm's?

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[expert] Mutli-head KDE desktop settings?

2002-06-15 Thread Hoyt


Can anyone point me to info on where these settings are documented?


I use a Matrox G450 in a mutli-head configuration (not xinerama enabled). The
KDE settings are not consistent between the two desktops, are not easy to set
on the second head and the panel settings change with every re-boot.


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[expert] lm_sensors and TYAN Tiger MPX S2466

2002-06-15 Thread Hoyt

I'm having trouble setting up lm_sensors with a TYAN Tiger MPX S2466 mobo.

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Re: [expert] Mutli-head KDE desktop settings?

2002-06-15 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 15 June 2002 02:44 pm, Larry Sword wrote:
 Check on the Matrox web page for drivers. They have drivers and the
 Powerdesk to setup the cards.

 http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/latest/home.cfm

 Hoyt wrote:
  Can anyone point me to info on where these settings are documented?
 
 
  I use a Matrox G450 in a mutli-head configuration (not xinerama enabled).
  The KDE settings are not consistent between the two desktops, are not
  easy to set on the second head and the panel settings change with every
  re-boot.

Thanks. I need to be more specific. The X11 settings are fine. I'm looking for 
where the KDE settings are for the second head.

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Re: [expert] lm_sensors and TYAN Tiger MPX S2466

2002-06-15 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 15 June 2002 12:59 pm, mike wrote:
 Hoyt wrote:
  I'm having trouble setting up lm_sensors with a TYAN Tiger MPX S2466
  mobo.
 
  Anyone have this working?
 
  Hoyt


 I Have a epox 8kta3+pro mb and can't get it to work under 8.2

 works great in 8.0 but latest seems to be broken. Maybe 9.0?


I got an email back from the maintainer who sent me to look at a trouble 
ticket on the site. That ticket didn't work for me.

For now, I'm getting results from adding to /etc/rc.d/rc.local

### For lm_sensors
modprobe i2c-proc
modprobe w83781d
modprobe i2c-amd756


And it works, but I'm not quite happy with that. I'll post back when I find 
more.

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Re: [expert] Mutli-head KDE desktop settings?

2002-06-15 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 15 June 2002 04:50 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
 sorry to ride on your thread but do either of you know of a site to show
 how-to enable dualhead with 2 separate vidcards?  IE, ones an AGP, the
 other a PCI?


Doesn't Linux Journal have an article this month, Linux Mag last month on 
that. the X11 docs also have some stuff in them about it.

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[expert] Re: [Cooker] drakfont feature request

2002-06-14 Thread Hoyt



On Thursday 13 June 2002 10:45 am, Steve Fox wrote:
 Apparently SuSE has a shell script which will download the Microsoft
 Web Fonts and install them on your system. Codeweavers Crossover
 Office can do this as well.

 I'd like to request that the same feature be added to drakfont if
 possible.

 Thanks.

This?

http://gongolo.usr.dsi.unimi.it/~vigna/webFonts4Linux/

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Re: [expert] Just too strange!!!

2002-06-11 Thread Hoyt

On Tuesday 11 June 2002 09:40 am, daRcmaTTeR wrote:
  damn shame it got lost in the EtHeR (MandrakeSympa) servers with the
  other mystery post not showing up.
  That is why they call it ethernet ain't it?

  
 I always thought they called it the ether cause they couldn't think of
 anything better to call it. ;)

From the old days when radio was new, they believed that the RF waves 
propigated through ether, the word probably being drived from ethereal. 
Anyway, they saw it as magic, much the same way ethernet works. 8)

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Re: [expert] Lost of ext3 partitions

2002-06-06 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 06 June 2002 10:23 am, daRcmaTTeR wrote:
  And the old adage is still true:  Data not backed up is data lost
 
 
  Civileme

Pilots say the two most useless things are the fuel they left on the ground 
and the altitude above them. 

For us, I suppose it's security updates we didn't install and the data we 
backed up and didn't verify. 8)

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Re: [expert] Lost of ext3 partitions

2002-06-05 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 06 June 2002 12:09 am, Brian Parish wrote:
 On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 09:55, Jim Tarvid wrote:
  My guess is that the partition table got sprayed with bad data on power
  down.
 
  if one had a listing of partitions such as that provided by fdisk
  /dev/hda -l you should be able to rebuild the partition table.
 
  Of course having a copy of the MBR would make life easier
 
  dd if=/dev/hda of=backup-hda.mbr count=1 bs=512

 Good idea.  I'll do that for all my machines and spread copies around my
 LAN.  I presume that to restore the MBR from one of these backups, it's
 just a matter of reversing the if and of, or is there something else
 required?



That bit of code also restores the bootloader, which is OK if it hasn't 
changed. Just in case, it's always  a good idea to keep a boot floppy as 
well.

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Re: [expert] IDE bus speed boot parameter

2002-05-30 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 30 May 2002 11:00 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
  As to hdparm, I found that with 8.2 and the default 2.4.18-6
 kernel, any hdparm settings were ignored.  ata/100 drives still ran
 at ata/33.  I found installing a newer kernel instantly fixes the
 situation.  I'm usin 2.4.18-13 and no hdparm or lilo settings. My
 ata/100 drives run at udma5, ata/100, hdparm -t returns 40+mb/sec.

Again, this is why I have had better success adding

ide0=0x1f0 ide0=ata100 

to LILO.

the first command loads the faster IDE driver, the second tells the system to 
use ATA 100. This approach makes the boot process faster as a side benefit.

I also have good expeience with 

floppy=daring

as mtools run faster as well.

YMMV, especially on older hardware.

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[b] On the other hand, the French eat a lot of fat and also suffer fewer heart 
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Re: [expert] test of domain and mailserver - ignore

2002-05-30 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 30 May 2002 04:39 pm, Praedor Tempus wrote:
 testing


Test failed.

No message posted to the list.

 8)

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Re: [expert] OT - What do you think about United Linux?

2002-05-30 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 30 May 2002 06:26 pm, Jeferson Lopes Zacco wrote:
 Both in a corporative sense, in how it will/could affect other linux
 distributions, and technically if it will be of any benefit to Linux
 codebase as a whole...

 Wooky

My opinion of United Linux.

Four sick dogs don't make one well dog.

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Re: [expert] IDE bus speed boot parameter

2002-05-30 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 30 May 2002 07:46 pm, Richie de Almeida wrote:
  ide0=0x1f0 ide0=ata100

 I tried this and it didn't like the second parameter--


Try 

ide0=ata66

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Re: [expert] OT Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

2002-05-29 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 29 May 2002 06:01 am, Nicolas ROBAUX wrote:
  Hoyt wrote:
 
   Wasn't there a poll some time in the past that illustrated the user
   distribution world-wide? What did that tell us?
 
  Excellent point!

 Here are the last stats for the MandrakeClub members :
 http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=2068?=en

 Most members came from USA !

 N.

Looking at those stats, one could say Mandrake is a US distribution, but 
again, it really isn't. It is truly a global Linux distribution that just 
happens to be based where Rin Tin Tin is buried. Look 
athttp://www.roadsideamerica.com/pet/rintin.html . Perhaps a Mandrake version 
could be named in his honor. 8)

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Re: [expert] X config

2002-05-29 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 29 May 2002 01:27 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote:
 then, I remembered why I had stopped using it in the first place. I
 remembered there's an easier tool on a mandrake system that offers the
 user a better chance for first time success. setuptool.

# drakconf

does just fine for me from the console since setuptool is just a symbolic 
link to it. 8)

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[b] On the other hand, the French eat a lot of fat and also suffer fewer 
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Re: [expert] IDE bus speed boot parameter

2002-05-29 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 29 May 2002 11:56 pm, Richie de Almeida wrote:
 I got a new mobo and cpu and loaded on Mandrake 8.2 and since the ide has
 UltraDMA 100 I set the boot parameter to idebus=100 but the kernel turns
 this down saying its a bad bus speed.  I did a dmesg | grep 'ide' and got
 this:

 BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
 Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=linux ro root=301 quiet devfs=mount
 idebus=100
 ide_setup: idebus=100 -- BAD BUS SPEED! Expected value from 20 to 66
 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
 ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd000-0xd007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA
 ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd008-0xd00f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:DMA
 ...yadda yadda yadda.

 So how can I enable UltraDMA at 100MHz?

 Richie

For ide0 try,

ide0=0x1f0 ide0=ata100

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[b] On the other hand, the French eat a lot of fat and also suffer fewer 
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Re: [expert] OT Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

2002-05-28 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 29 May 2002 12:43 am, James wrote:
  Mandrake is a european distribution!


That's a little narrow-minded. It's parent company is French, but it's 
distribution is world-wide. As a major Linux distro, I would not characterize 
it as European.

Wasn't there a poll some time in the past that illustrated the user 
distribution world-wide? What did that tell us?

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Re: [expert] What happened to gftp? make it URPMI?

2002-05-23 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 22 May 2002 04:37 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 urpmi (and the software manager) is VERY strange in 8.2! Try
 deleting/uninstalling something and it will want to uninstall everything it
 is remotely connected to or used by.

 In 8.1 I used urpmi by preference, in 8.2 it's rpm -ivh and rpm -e !

I noticed that as well. Also some rpm database anomolies. Very scarey. Such 
is progress. 8)

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[b] On the other hand, the French eat a lot of fat and also suffer fewer 
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Re: [expert] What happened to gftp?

2002-05-22 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 22 May 2002 03:13 pm, you wrote:
 Hoyt wrote:
 Why was gftp dropped from Mandrake 8.2?
 
 
 
 
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 It wasn't unles you have the PowerPack.  It is healthy on my download
 system, and it is there on Mandrake mirrors.

 Civileme

I have the download edition.

And it was there, but I could not install it with urpmi for some odd reason, 
but rpm -ivh did the trick. Odd.

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[expert] What happened to gftp?

2002-05-21 Thread Hoyt

Why was gftp dropped from Mandrake 8.2?

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Re: [expert] newbie vs expert (was Tasks startup time with ps)

2002-05-18 Thread Hoyt

On Friday 17 May 2002 11:43 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
 What I do not like are those list nazis (while, being a german, I don't
 really appreciate the term) you mentioned.

I agree --  using that term for these people does a disservice to the real 
Nazis. Perhaps we should call them List Lawyers.

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[expert] /dev/usbmouse don't exist

2002-05-13 Thread Hoyt

Aside from the poor grammar, this error message appeared after a re-boot and 
my usb mouse did not work. It appears to be a problem with devfs as there 
exists no link named /dev/usbmouse -- it juts disappeared.

I was able to fix his by changing devfs=mount to devfs=nomount in 
/etc/lilo.conf, rebooting and then running mouseconfig.

I was unsuccessful in searching for a solution to this problem on Google, the 
Mandrake mail list archives and the Mandrake Forum.

This also happened to me in 8.1 and I never did solve it other than the fix 
I used.

Why did this happen?

How do I get devfs and /dev/usbmouse working again?



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Re: [expert] /dev/usbmouse don't exist

2002-05-13 Thread Hoyt

On Monday 13 May 2002 03:50 am, Udo Rader wrote:


 Am Mon, 2002-05-13 um 09.33 schrieb Hoyt:
  Aside from the poor grammar, this error message appeared after a re-boot
  and my usb mouse did not work. It appears to be a problem with devfs as
  there exists no link named /dev/usbmouse -- it juts disappeared.
 
  I was able to fix his by changing devfs=mount to devfs=nomount in
  /etc/lilo.conf, rebooting and then running mouseconfig.
 
  I was unsuccessful in searching for a solution to this problem on Google,
  the Mandrake mail list archives and the Mandrake Forum.
 
  This also happened to me in 8.1 and I never did solve it other than the
  fix I used.
 
  Why did this happen?
 
  How do I get devfs and /dev/usbmouse working again?
 
 hi hoyt,

 if you've got a VIA based motherboard, there might be a problem with usb
 keyboard and mouse detection/integration. for a solution on LM8.2 check
 http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=88#usb

 udo

Thanks. I looked at that and, essentially, it says to modify 
/etc/X11/XF86Config from:

Option Device /dev/mouse

to

Option Device /dev/input/mice


But . . . /dev/input/mice doesn't exist anymore when using devfs=mount. It 
existed before and all the appropriate symlinks worked fine, but 
inexplicably they disappeared.

What that is all about -- their sudden disappearance -- is my question. What 
broke and why?

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Re: FIXED! [expert] access to CD-RW

2002-05-12 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 12 May 2002 09:55 am, David wrote:
 Much thanks to nDiScReEt, Bascule, Steve Browne, Brian Parish, Larry Sword,
 and Pross(who got in at the last moment).  

 We got it fixed.  

 The problem was that I followed the howto at
 http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html to upgrade my
 HD.  

 Following directions, I used a _temporary_ lilo config for the initial
 booting of the new HD.  In the config, the line _append=hdb=ide-scsi_ was
 omitted.  Thus, I had not re-corrected my lilo config.  nDiScReEt's post
 below opened my eyes.  The second I seen it, I knew what it was.  I'm now
 kicking myself (HARD).  


If you followed the HOWTO and it didn't warn you about correcting your 
lilo.conf file, you should email the HOWTO author, thank him for the help it 
provided you and suggest the addition to take care of the problem you 
encountered.


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Re: [expert] Old way of making linux boot floppy?

2002-05-02 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 02 May 2002 08:17 pm, db wrote:
 Before there was the  mkbootdisk command, it was done another way... does
 anyone know that command?
'
Bootdisk HOWTO?

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[expert] Re: [Cooker] Partitioning Advice

2002-05-02 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 01 May 2002 07:53 pm, Randy K. Wilson wrote:
  Didn't Richard Stallman have a Question-asking HOWTO? IIRC, the format
  was:

 Ummm, it is ESR. From a post someone made to a local list:

 http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

ESR, RMS, KDE, GNOME, LSB, AFAIK . . .

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Re: [expert] ext3 undelete tool?

2002-04-30 Thread Hoyt

On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:46 am, Nelson Bartley wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 I REALLY desperately need to know how to undelete something under an ext3
 file system. I just accidentally deleted my mail files (over 500MB of
 e-mail) off my network drive and I desperately need to get it back. As I
 have access to the server, I'm hoping there is a restore/undelete tool that
 can be used on that directory.

 If any such thing exists please let me know... I'm very desperate at this
 point.



I suspect that all the undelete proceedures for ext2 should work. Just 
re-mount the filesystem as ext2.

mc (Midnight Commander) has an ext2 undelete function that seems as easy to 
use as any.

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Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.2 and Wordperfect 8

2002-04-27 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 27 April 2002 05:15 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:


 I did  a quick search, didn't look at all the entries but heres most of
 the thread :)

 http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=andformat=shortconfig
=newbie_linux-mandrake_comrestrict=exclude=words=Wordperfect+8


Here is the gist from a message from Giuseppe:


To use libc5 based applications such as Word Perfect 8,
you should install these packages:

ld.so1-1.9.11-6mdk.i586.rpm
libc-base-5.3.12-36mdk.i586.rpm

and if needed:

libc-extras-5.3.12-36mdk.i586.rpm

This should also work for Mathematica 4.1.2, old Matlab 5.3, etc.

Other stuff -

The official Corel Linux web site is at http://linux.corel.com/

The download of WP8 PE was at CNET, but is there no longer. It's not found on 
Corel's site either 
(http://linux.corel.com/products/linuxproducts_wp8_downloadlinks.htm does not 
work). I did find a link at 
ftp://ftp.matrix.com.br/pub/.3/linuxberg/files/x11/office/WordPerfect.tar.gz 
and http://hk.linuxberg.com/files/x11/office/WordPerfect.tar.gz and
http://ftp.sci.univr.it/software/linux/Corel/WordPerfect.tar.gz
but the servers timed out. Perhaps it's still on some ftp server somewhere?

But, the WP8 registration site it is still working and is located at:

http://venus.corel.com/nasapps/wp8linuxreg/register.html

Oops -- there's a bug in WP8!

There is a bug in the Filtix filters that Corel licensed to allow importation
 of MS-Word documents.  On Sep 9, 2001, the bug kicked in and put filtrix into
 demo mode.  Corel, of course, has never fixed this.  Some nice people on the
 Net did, though, by creating a wrapper for filtrix that lies to it about the
 current date/time.  Read about it here:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5655
and at:
http://olivier.pk.wau.nl/~valentyn/wp8fix/


The WordPerfect Mini-howto is at:
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/WordPerfect.html
The focus is on WP7, but it may be helpful.


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Re: [expert] UDMA/ATA no running at full potential

2002-04-25 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 25 April 2002 01:18 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
 Hoyt wrote:
  Add this to the LILO/GRUB command line:
 
  ide0=0x1f0 ide0=dma ide0=autotune ide1=dma ide1=autotune floppy=daring
 
  and undo all the hdparm settings.
 
  The best way is to duplicate the LILO stanza and add the above info in
  case it locks up your computer.
 
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 Dumb Q but what does floppy=daring mean?

That loads a faster floppy driver.


 and how does autotune worky?  url? explicado pls? :)


It attempts to autoset the correct parameters. IIRC, it is explained in the 
kernel docs.

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Re: [expert] The original (was UDMA/ATA no running at full potential)

2002-04-25 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 25 April 2002 04:50 pm, Jay wrote:
 I was the one that originally started the thread, and although it went of
 on a tanget, I, and I assume many others, learned a great deal, and that is
 what is important, that is why we are here...

But did it solve your problem?

I did some experimenting and found that adding ide0=0x1f0 ide0=ata66 resulted 
in the best  results from hdparm -t.

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Re: [expert] UDMA/ATA no running at full potential

2002-04-24 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 24 April 2002 07:46 am, Jay wrote:
 I am using a K7T Turbo Motherboard with a Maxtor 7200 RPM Harddrive and am
 using the proper ide cable. Both support ATA100/UDMA5. When I load Linux it
 ackowledges this, but sets the performance to UDMA33. Playing around with
 hdparm does nothing, the harddrive stays stuck at UDMA2. Does anyone know
 how to fix this???

Add this to the LILO/GRUB command line:

ide0=0x1f0 ide0=dma ide0=autotune ide1=dma ide1=autotune floppy=daring

and undo all the hdparm settings.

The best way is to duplicate the LILO stanza and add the above info in case 
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Re: [expert] Need help on Grub/Lilo reinstall

2002-04-24 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 24 April 2002 10:55 am, David Rankin wrote:


 I will ultimately have to reformat hda which will wipe out my grub
 boot loader. I need some advise on how to re-install grub after I
 re-format and re-load the M$ OS on hda. I think I understand grub enough
 to configure it after I get it installed, I'm just not sure about how to
 get the code into the boot record.

 Specifically, I don't know if its lilo first, then grub or vice
 versa. Yes, I can rtfm, and I have. Yes, I know /sbin/lilo installs the
 boot loader. I just haven't done it manually before and would like any
 brief bits of wisdom you may be willing to share.

You may have RTFM, but you missed the fact that LILO and GRUB are two 
different apps that do essentially the same thing. Since you mentioned GRUB 
first, I assume that is what you want to use.

Did you make a boot disk? If so, after your re-install Windows, boot with the 
boot disk and re-install GRUB as follows:

# grub-install 

will do the trick.

If you forgot to make a boot disk, shame on you. Make sure you have one next 
time. Write back if you need instructions to restrore GRUB without a boot 
floppy.

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[expert] kwintv -- no mute or volume control functions

2002-04-23 Thread Hoyt

I'm using Mandrake 8.2,  Kwintv with an ATI TV Wonder VE.

Now that I have the sound working  by plugging in the ATI card to the sound 
card, I can't get it to function correctly.

The mute and sound level functions of Kwintv do not work and it is necessary 
to mute the line-in (where the ATI card is connected) and adjust the volume 
using aumix. The mute button in Kwintv has a red X on it.

I have found nothing in a Google search nor in the Kwintv docs that addresses 
this. Any advice?

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[expert] kwintv -- no sound after install

2002-04-21 Thread Hoyt

I bought one of those cheap ATI TV Wonder VE cards at CompUSA today.

It installed OK (I had to create /dev/video0 by hand, though) and it 
autodetected the channels and I get great video, but no sound.

I'm at a loss as to what to do for sound.

I'm using Mandrake 8.2 and an Ensoniq PCI soundcard. 

My /etc/modules.conf includes the following: 

alias sound-slot-0 es1371 

An lsmod shows, in part: 

es1371 26656   0
soundcore   4068   4  [es1371]
ac97_codec  9568   0  [es1371]
gameport1756   0  [es1371]


The KDE sounds play, xmms will play mp3's OK, just no sound for Kwintv (or 
xawtv for that matter). The mubte buton for kwintv is displayed with a red X 
through it.

Can someone point me at a place to start fixing this? Thanks.

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Re: [expert] kwintv -- no sound after install

2002-04-21 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 21 April 2002 10:46 am, Kwan Lowe wrote:
 Hoyt wrote:
 I bought one of those cheap ATI TV Wonder VE cards at CompUSA today.
 
 It installed OK (I had to create /dev/video0 by hand, though) and it
 autodetected the channels and I get great video, but no sound.

 I have the same card. Have you checked the following:
  1) The audio passthrough cable must be connected to the Line-IN on your
 sound card
  2) The Line-IN volume must be audible (use Sound Mixer to raise it).


That was it. The cable even came in the tuner box.

I feel like such an idiot. 8)

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Re: [expert] kwintv -- no sound after install

2002-04-21 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 21 April 2002 11:57 pm, lorne wrote:
 Yea, but isn't it cool to have TV working like a charm in Linux? :)

Well, a relative charm, but much, much easier than just a year ago. 

I did have to create the /dev/entries manually -- not an easy task if a 
newbie were faced with it (they might think to plug in the friggin sound 
card, though), That should be part of the kwintv install script and I 
shouldn't be able to install kwintv without any dependencies, but I could. 

The mini-HOWTo was very helpful and well-written. I'm glad to see the general 
quality of the LDP docs improving.

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[expert] IDE Drive Optimisations

2002-04-20 Thread Hoyt

Is it useful to use ide0=0x1f0 as a LILO/GRUB parameter? Or is the better IDE 
driver used as the default since Mandrake is targeted to more modern hardware 
anyway? If not, should it not be the default?

And what about floppy=daring? I see some improvements with that as well, 
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[expert] Has anyone gotten 3Dwm working? Some bugs in 8.2

2002-04-20 Thread Hoyt

3Dwm was initially installed without omniName or expat (as depenedencies). I 
installed them, but still get an error message about Cannot get initial 
reference for NameService.

How do I properly to launch 3Dwm?

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Re: [expert] Disk corruption+A7V266-E+NFS+ext3

2002-04-10 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 10 April 2002 06:05 pm, you wrote:

My A7V266 is now my daughters' Wndows computer because it was so unreliable 
for Linux.

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Re: [expert] recovering files after formatting

2002-04-08 Thread Hoyt

On Monday 08 April 2002 12:18 am, you wrote:
 Hi
 I have mistakenly formatted a partition with some important data
 in it while installing Mandrake 8.2.
 The partition is still there with same size, untouched,  etc.
 Any chance I can recover the data?

You need to tell us what filesystem you are using.



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Re: [expert] Mandrake Club advocates: Post Positive

2002-04-07 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 07 April 2002 01:12 am, you wrote:
 I'm starting to get a little peeved and suspicious of Newsforge with
 regard to who exactly are they serving and where their reporters are
 exactly getting paid from. (under the table or otherwise.)  SNIP

 I can see where journalists could be bought off from within the open
 source world.  Not like it hasn't already happened in the big three
 networks.  Anyways,  heads up.

As someone who considers himself a journalist (several tutorials, reviews and 
opinion pieces published in MaximumLinux and LinuxFormat magazines; three 
chapters contributed to Red Hat Linux 7.2 Unleashed and currently a technical 
reviewer for SAMS Publishing), I don't consider a lot of what I see published 
on-line as journalism. It's usually opinion, fluff and shallow writing 
because that's what is easy and cheap to offer; on-line publishers don't have 
a lot of loot to throw to writers, much less buy them off - neither do Open 
Source companies. 

Remember that controversy builds page hits and advertisers are happy with 
higher page hit counts. My editorial pieces are written that way 
(controversial), but I try to avoid that in my factual articles. It's up to 
the Editor to see that the two types of writing stay separate; some do a 
better job than others and in my opinion, the boundaries are a little less 
clear for on-line publishing.  

When I wrote for MaximumLinux, Editor in Chief Brian DelRizzo told me that if 
a product was bad, write why it was bad; if it was good, write why it was 
good; don't pull a punch because they advertise; help them make the product 
better. I was told I could write what ever I wanted as long as it was 
factual. I have written some unfavourable reviews and the only response I 
ever got from an advertiser was that I got the capitalisation of their name 
wrong.

As an intelligent reader, you should be sceptical of everything you read. 
Don't let someone else do your thinking for you. Learn to separate opinion 
from fact.

As to Mandrake, they have become a market leader and are a legitimate target 
for criticism. My personal criticism of them is not so much of their product 
(which I believe is very good), but of their management (I'm a former 
corporate Senior VP, so I understand that as well), which I believe is 
inconsistent and unfocused. Given that they have a good product, it makes 
sense to improve their management and they show every sign of making that 
attempt. With every release, they refine their process and they _seem_ to be 
learning from their marketing and management mistakes, albeit slowly. 
Hopefully they can get it together before the money runs out.

I don't believe that the solution is to post positive because that is just 
a public relations ploy, simply putting a favourable spin on topics. I 
suggest that the best approach is to post truthfully and think critically 
about what you read in others' posts. If a problem arises with a Mandrake 
product or practise, they need to know about it. How they handle it is up to 
them. Simply putting a pleasant face on it is a certain invitation to 
disaster.

If you want to positively influence the on-line press, write a factual review 
of some little-noticed Mandrake feature (like multiple network profiles, 
msec, and so on) and submit it to the on-line press for publication. Just 
remember that spelling and grammar count for things like that, aim for 300 to 
600 words, keep it factual, avoid being superficial, give pros and cons and 
make it tell a story, i.e, have a beginning, middle and end. It's not that 
difficult. If you want some advice, let me know off the list.

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Re: [expert] Apache website on a vfat partition ..urgent help please

2002-04-07 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 07 April 2002 01:36 am, you wrote:
 If this is a production site, and you are running linux, I really would not
 suggest putting files on a fat32 partition anyways -- you are much better
 off with either ext2, ext3, reiserfs, or any of the large number of *nix
 filesystems.

If you need access from a Windows box, put them on an ext2 partition and 
access them with a win32 driver in Windows(look on Freshmeat).

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Re: [expert] LM8.2: Wine vs Codeweavers Wine vs Transgaming WineX

2002-04-02 Thread Hoyt


- Original Message -
From: Frederic Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: [expert] LM8.2: Wine vs Codeweavers Wine vs Transgaming WineX


 Hi

 Is it better to use LM8.2 Wine or Codeweavers Wine?
 Can Transgaming WineX be installed alongside LM8.2 Wine or Codeweavers
 Wine? Or can it replace both altogether?

 Any good souls to enlighten me on this one ;)
 Thanks


The CVS version of Transgaming's WineX will load and run many DirectX
games -- other versions of WINE won't do that.  Codeweaver's WINE has a cool
GUI config tool, but it's a verson or two old.

They all like to install in different places (or can be made to) and can be
run simultaneously AFAIK.

Just try them all and pick which one will run the app you want.

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Re: [expert] toshiba laptop - FBDev and X lockups

2002-03-31 Thread Hoyt


- Original Message -
From: Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: expert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] toshiba laptop - FBDev and X lockups


 I was using the chips drive with XFree 4.x in mandrake 8.2. I was
 experiencing severe X lockups (screen and keyboard).
 
 After installing the FBDev rpm, I simply changed the driver from chips
to
 fbdev. Now I no longer have any lockups.

 Does Mandrake require a front-end tool to change drivers these days or can
 you just change the symlink?


The symlink for /etc/X11/X still points to XFree86. I modified the contents
of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4

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Re: [expert] toshiba laptop - FBDev and X lockups

2002-03-31 Thread Hoyt


- Original Message -
From: Pierre Fortin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mandrake Expert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] toshiba laptop - FBDev and X lockups


  I'm using a Toshibs Satellite Pro 420CDS, CT 6, 2MB video RAM.
 
  Because the laptop only has 40MB of RAM, I must remove the drive and
  install Mandrake on the drive while mounted on another machine.

 This one is strange...  Mine is a Toshiba Tecra 500CDT, CT65550, 2MB
 video, *32MB* RAM, 6.4GB HD and LM8.2 installed *first time* in graphical
 mode...  of course, this machine does not support CD boot, so I have to
 create a cdrom.img floppy; but it worked.

Hmmm. My attempts at install (using cdrom.img on a floppy) would result in
an exit from the installer at the beginning of the second stage.

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Re: [expert] toshiba laptop - FBDev and X lockups

2002-03-30 Thread Hoyt

(BTW, the 6 on board uses FBDev faster and
 better than the SVGA, and with equal resolution.)

I was using the chips drive with XFree 4.x in mandrake 8.2. I was
experiencing severe X lockups (screen and keyboard).

After installing the FBDev rpm, I simply changed the driver from chips to
fbdev. Now I no longer have any lockups.


I'm using a Toshibs Satellite Pro 420CDS, CT 6, 2MB video RAM.

Because the laptop only has 40MB of RAM, I must remove the drive and install
Mandrake on the drive while mounted on another machine.

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Re: [expert] Abiword MDK-8.2

2002-03-28 Thread Hoyt


- Original Message -
From: Fedneg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:01 PM
Subject: [expert] Abiword  MDK-8.2


 Hello:

  I can't find Abiword in MDK-8.2 download version.

IIRC, it was moved to contribs. Someone official explained why a few weeks
ago.

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Re: [expert] The little operating system that could

2002-03-27 Thread Hoyt


- Original Message -
From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] The little operating system that could



 Is this LSB compatible, yet?
 (when in fact no distro can really claim to be because the official test
 software for compatibility isn't even official yet--still beta-- and the
 sniping of our incompatibility is in the gray areas of the
 Filesystem Hierarchical Standard where no clear direction is given and
 the interpretation of the other distros is probably as equally valid as
 ours and all different)


How is that not a valid question?

Perhaps the answer is not simple or easy or comfortable, but yours seems
adequate.

So why is asking this question a problem? Is it wrong to ask questions?

How would a legitimate question, if properly answered, poison the release?

Mandrake has been fortunate to have some oof the
best engineers in the world, folks who make me look on in awe, folks who
could be making triple what they are almost anywhere else.

But they came to Mandrake to work on free software.

And aren't they? You seem to impy (I may be wrong) that their time is wasted
dealing with uncomfortable questions and incorrect and outrageous opinions.
Somebody at Mandrake has to deal with that and IMHO the software engineers
are probably the worst suited for that purpose as they usually lack the
skills and temperment for that kind of work. However,  that kind of work
seems to come with the territory.

Mandrake supplies one of the top Linux distros in the world. That's no
accident; it comes from good development. But it seems to me that they are
leaving management in the hands of people not well suited for it. That's
where the problem lies.

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Re: [expert] The little operating system that could

2002-03-26 Thread Hoyt


- Original Message -
From: Ric Tibbetts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mandrake Expert List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: [expert] The little operating system that could


 Don't believe me? Add it up.

 Average charge per new releass:
 $69.00 per release. x 2 realeases per year. $138.00
 Shipping:  $15.00 per boxed set   30.00
 The Club
 $10 per month x 12
 (Remember, you need to belong to the
  $10 per month club to get Staroffice 6.0) 120.00
 -
 Cost of Mandrake, per year: $288.00

 Congratulations. For the home user, the cost of ownership of Mandrake
 has exceeded the cost of Win2k.


If you buy the boxed set, don't you get SO6.0? No need to join the club to
get it, so that would be double-counting. The club seems to be targeted to
those that used the download CD's.

I don't fault them for making money, but their management of their own
business has been inconsistent and, well, conterproductive at times; they
may yet survive it. I hope they do.

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Re: [expert] VMWare 3.0 and mdk 8.2

2002-03-22 Thread Hoyt

 help.  Has anyone been able to make VMWare work on mdk 8.2 or have any
 idea of what is going on with VMWare's planned support for mdk 8.2?


I haven't yet installed VMware, but it's nice to see that Netraverse already
has Mandrake 8.2 kernels at their site. 8)

Thanks, Mandrake and Netraverse.

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Re: [expert] IRQ Conflicts

2002-03-14 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 14 March 2002 05:08 am, you wrote:
 I have a tyan too with no hardware problem.

 you can share interrupt

 remember if you want to use both, it depends on your needs

 if you want to share different lan, or you want act as a bridge, or one
 ADSL other local net

Thanks.

The server is replacing a quad Xeon SCO box used for a hospital. There are 
two networks and the hospital uses a thin-client topology, so network 
performance is important. The shared interrupts are compromising the 
networking performance. Or if those are working, the disk access is 
compromised. Neither is good.

One solution may be to disable the onboard NIC and use a dual port NIC. If 
Tyan had not disabled the ability in the BIOS to allocate IRQ per slot, this 
would not be a problem. (Why would they do this on a server class mobo? They 
don't have a clue.)

Tyan S2466 motherboard
4 GB ECC RAM
3COM 905 built-on-motherboard
Radeon 7XXX AGP
3COM 905 PCI32 bit
Adaptec 29160 SCSI  64 bit, 66Mhz
Adaptec 3410S RAID  64 bit, 66Mhz
The board has 4 32 bit 33Mhz PCI slots and 2 64 bit 66Mhz slots (those for 
the SCSI controllers).
The built-in 3Com pretends to be on slot 8


BTW, as a warning to all, The current mobo BIOS has a bug that causes the 
selection of ECC RAM to crash the boot process.

The OS is Mandrake 8.2-RC1 with the Enterprise kernel.

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Re: [expert] Curious Dmesg line.

2002-03-13 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 13 March 2002 02:35 pm, you wrote:
 On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:11:24 +0100

 Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  James wrote:
  All,
  
I'm getting the following line in dmesg
  
  EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended
  
  Now the reason I'm curious is because all of my partitions (except swap)
   are reiserfs. Any thoughts?  No sweat the box works... just
   curious.
  
  James
 
  It's possible its your initrd image. Ithik these are e2.

 Ok,  no sweat wonder how you fsck an intrd? *grin*

It should be turned off for the initrd filesystem.  That should be done 
during the creation of the filesystem. If it's not been done that way, this 
would be a minor bug.

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[expert] IRQ Conflicts

2002-03-13 Thread Hoyt

A friend is attempting to run Mandrake on a Tyan dual proc board with two 
NICs. He has an irq conflict with one NIC and the video card. Tyan has 
removed accesss in teh BIOS to set IRQs per slot. the cards can not be set 
manually. Tyan tech help suggests Windows XP - no help there.

Any way to fix this in Linux?

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Re: [expert] IRQ Conflicts

2002-03-13 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 13 March 2002 11:35 pm, you wrote:
 Well, it could be a non-problem--set PnP ON and ACPI OFF and move the
 cards around to different slots.


No option in the BIOS to do this on the Tyan board.

Is there a LILO command for it?

 The two NICs should easily share an interrupt.

By moving the cards around, we finally got the two nics to share IRQ 5, but 
neither coudl be initialized. When one NIC shared with video, we got about 8% 
packet loss.

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Re: [expert] IRQ Conflicts

2002-03-13 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 13 March 2002 11:44 pm, you wrote:
 Tyan's dual NICs are usually onboard 3c980's

One on-board is a 3Com, so is PCI NIC, same chipset.

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[expert] New Entries for MenuDrake?

2002-03-12 Thread Hoyt

Can MenuDrake accept new menu entries from the command line, as in fed from a 
script?

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Re: [expert] Updates

2002-03-11 Thread Hoyt

On Monday 11 March 2002 03:43 pm, you wrote:

 But you do not need to do it that way.
 If you are fairly sure that you will have no unsatisfied depends and/or
 conflicts then: mount /mnt/cdrom and: cd /mnt/cdrom or the directory if you
 created such on the cdrom. Then do: rpm -Uvh *rpm
 This will install all the rpms on the cdrom.

Or better, install them with urpmi. That will handle any dependencies.

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Re: [expert] USB mouse - only verticaal cursor movement

2002-03-11 Thread Hoyt

On Monday 11 March 2002 09:48 pm, you wrote:
 Do you have a USB-to-PS/2 adapter?  I had that problem with the Logitech
 Cordless MouseMan+ that came with my Freedom Pro Cordless set, plugged it
 into PS/2, and it worked flawlessly, wheel and all.

 You could try fiddling with the protocol, but I just gave up instead.
 (This is actually on a Debian system, but the core subsystems involved
 should work the same.)

I have had trouble with mine (Logitech Cordless MouseMan Optical) in 8.0 and 
8.1 until I turned devfs off. Works fine now as long as the batteries are 
good (about 60 days).

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Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours

2002-03-10 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 10 March 2002 05:33 am, you wrote:
 Hi.

  I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux
 flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages,



I started by installing RedHat 5.1 and the concurrent versions of Debian, 
Slackware and SuSE. I was most successful with Red Hat, but as I gained 
experience with it, I wound up having a number of patches and fixes and 
tweaks that I applied to it. Mandrake 5.2 solved most of these problems for 
me, espcially since I like KDE and Red Hat selected GNOME for their default 
desktop.

Since then, I have enjoyed the feature set of Mandrake, including its ability 
to autodetect my hardware and set a number of features up automagically. 
There are, of course, still tweaks and fixes to apply.

Recently, while writing three chapters for the current Red Hat Linux 7.2 
Unleashed, I had the opportunity to revisit Red Hat and frankly did not care 
for what I experienced. Mandrake offers a much more polished desktop user 
experience. I also gained a renewed appreciation for the Mandrake suite of 
configuration tools.

For now, Mandrake continues to be a good choice because they continue to 
focus on the user interface and the automation of tasks with as much fervor 
as they focus on including the latest and greatest; the best of both worlds.

If I had to give up Mandrake, though, it would probably be for SUSE.

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Re: [expert] doing package selection over and over again

2002-03-10 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 10 March 2002 11:26 am, you wrote:
 Is there a feature that allows me to save my package selections?

On the screen where you do the package selections is an icon of a floppy 
disk. Click on it.

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Re: [expert] Privileges troubles

2002-03-02 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 02 March 2002 08:52 am, you wrote:

 I want my girl-friend to be able to log in and play dvds, but I'd prefer
 not to give her the root password and ask her to type command lines

 Tried to give the script SUID flag, owned by root: it is still executed
 with the end-user privilege


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Re: [expert] Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Debian? - Hoyt's proposal

2002-02-28 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 28 February 2002 02:12 am, you wrote:
 but when you are in a 25 mph zone a Ferrari is as fast as a Kia How
 much cpu power does it take to write an e-mail!

 James

True And in response to an earlier post, Mandrake 70-486 is two years old 
the best part of m,asndraske are the admin and config tools -- much 
improvement in two years And kernel improvements? How about using reiserfs? 
And later 486 boards has PCI slots, so one could use a USB card with them

It seems for 486 boxes, Red Hat (or SuSE) is the way to go

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Re: [expert] Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Debian? - Hoyt's proposal

2002-02-28 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 28 February 2002 08:10 am, you wrote:
 James wrote:
  True enough that a 486 isn't a speed deamon  However my 486 amd running
  at 100mhz can run win98 and win2000 so why not kde? or Gnome (in fact it
  does it rather well I might add)

 Amen!  My 50 Mhz 486 with 8 MB (Gateway Colorbook) runs Word 97 on
 Win95 acceptably!

 Randy Kramer

OT - And if you install Windows on those boxes using www98litenet, the 
things just scream

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Re: [expert] GUI tool for floppy diskettes

2002-02-28 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 28 February 2002 08:28 am, you wrote:
 Is there GUI tool in Mandrake 81 that can be used to copy diskettes?

Floppy Formatter, aka kfloppy Also drakfloppy

This was probably addressed in the Mandrake  User's Guide

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Re: [expert] Flashing my Video Card

2002-02-28 Thread Hoyt

On Thursday 28 February 2002 06:32 pm, you wrote:
 Hi!
 i'm quite sure there is a possibility to flash my bios with linux perhaps
 with dd i have no fear damaging my video card so any suggestions are
 welcome


There's always FreeDOS to run the manufacturers DOS flash program It's used 
in dosemu

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Re: [expert] Optimum partitioning

2002-02-28 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 27 February 2002 08:52 pm, you wrote:
 /tmp10 GB

Watch this because nasty things happen if /tmp is full, like the fonts server 
not running

 /home   10 GB (I am the only user)

You _think_ it will be enough, but it never is

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[expert] Re: [Cooker] wine .....??

2002-02-27 Thread Hoyt

On Wednesday 27 February 2002 11:27 am, you wrote:
 If you have problems, then get rid of Mandrake's wine and use Codeweavers'
 instead.

Or if you want to pay US$19.95 for Codweavers Crossover Plugin, you get the 
cery cool plugin support for Linux and a slightly newer WINE than is in 
Codweavers WINE 1.0 and it works just fine as your regular WINE.

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Re: [expert] Default Sound Card with two cards

2002-02-26 Thread Hoyt

On Tuesday 26 February 2002 07:51 am, you wrote:
 Hi,

 I have a machine with two soundcards
 I seem to get sound mainly though the motherboard soundcard
 and occasionally through the sound blaster.
 How do I force all sound to go through the sound blaster

 I tried changing the symlink /dev/dsp from
 /dev/sound/dsp to /dev/sound/dsp1
 and that got most sound through the sound blaster
 but some still through the mother board.



Disable sound on mobo?


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[expert] Multihead KDE desktop issues

2002-02-26 Thread Hoyt

I'm using Mandrake 8.1 and KDE with a dual head Matrox G450 video card ; each 
head is an independen desktop (no xinerama).

I am unable to change the font for the desktop icons, nor change the font 
size or color using kcontrol.

I've looked at the config files in .kde, but I don't see an obvious place to 
make any changes.

Any pointers?

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Re: [expert] Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Debian? - Hoyt's proposal

2002-02-26 Thread Hoyt

On Tuesday 26 February 2002 12:32 pm, you wrote:

 
   Um...guys? there is a version of Mandrake that came out for the 486. It
   was released as Mandrake 7.0 about a year or so ago.
 
  Sure. i have it, but it's -- 7.0 --
 
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 wellyeah but if all you've got is a 486 at least it's Mandrake. I
 don't know if I could ever go back to anything earlier then 8.1 since I've
 been using it.


My suggestion would be for Mandrake to compile it and offer it only through 
the Mandrake Store or Club for $10 and find some way (even voluntarily) 
to keep it off ftp servers. I'd pay the $$ to support Mandrake and get a 
distro of that quality that will work on a 486.

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Re: [expert] Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Debian? - Hoyt's proposal

2002-02-25 Thread Hoyt

On Monday 25 February 2002 10:01 pm, you wrote:
 On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:12:41 -0800

 James [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder:
  On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:16:46 -0500
 
  gnerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm with you, Hoyt, re: the 486 version of Mandrake.  There's still a
   lot of legacy hardware out there that could use the Mandrake ease of
   use touch with optimized performance.  They'd probably have to ditch X
   and go with some kind of SVGA solution (or maybe port one of the PDA
   Xes), but IMO it would be worthwhile.
 


There's always TinyX. I've used it on a 4MB 486 laptop and a 16MB 386 (see 
LinuxFormat Dec/Jan issues).



 Um...guys? there is a version of Mandrake that came out for the 486. It was
 released as Mandrake 7.0 about a year or so ago. 

Sure. i have it, but it's -- 7.0 --

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Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.1 On Older Hardware

2002-02-24 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 24 February 2002 04:33 am, you wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm just wondering if anyone can give me any tips on installing Mandrake
 8.1 on older hardware.  I acquire a lot of Pentium I boxen, that I like to
 attack with Linux, and have recently been having trouble installing
 Mandrake 8.1 on machines with less than 64Mb of RAM, and the like.


If they are all similar, do an install on one machine (add ram temporarily) 
and configure it properly (or pull the drive, mount it in a machine that can 
do an install and move it back). Then you can boot the other machines from a 
floopy-based distro like tomsrtbt, set up partitions and whatnot, clone 
original install over the network.

Or, use mkCDrec (http://mkcdrec.ota.be/) to create a CD-based clone and 
install it on the other machines. This would be my choice for a lot of boxes 
conigured the same way, especially with CD burners in the US$100 range.

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Re: [expert] Choosing between Kde and Gnome with startx

2002-02-24 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 24 February 2002 04:16 pm, you wrote:


 You could also use Xtart. Which will show you a curses menu of the WM's
 installed and allow you to select which one to use.  I've been using it
 for a couple months now, I like it.


What package provides Xtart?

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[expert] Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Debian?

2002-02-24 Thread Hoyt


I'd rather see the effort put into a 486 version of Mandrake than into a 
Debian-Mandrake.

I'd rather see APIC support fixed.

I'd rather see the Auto Install Floppy option fixed.

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Re: [expert] devfs, hdc=ide-scsi (Mdk 8.1) and the symbolic link /dev/cdrom

2002-02-24 Thread Hoyt

On Monday 25 February 2002 01:44 am, you wrote:
pmi fi;e I have recently upgraded from 7.2 to 8.1 (better later than never).
 This has caused me problem with the handling of my CDROM drive and
 CD-writer on my computer; I have both, the CDROM is /dev/hdc and the
 CD-writer /dev/hdd.  I prefer to have both drives being emulated SCSI
 using ide-scsi.  I therefore have

   hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi

 among my load options to the kernel.

 This creates the SCSI devices just fine.  However, the symbolic link
 /dev/cdrom gets wrong; it points to the non-existing
 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 rather than /dev/cdroms/cdrom1 or
 /dev/cdroms/cdrom3.

 It appears that this link is maintained by devfsd.  However, do I
 tell it to link it to the correct file?

 /Peter


try turning off devfs by adding

devfs=nomount

to the append line in lilo.conf

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Re: [expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN

2002-02-23 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 23 February 2002 04:45 am, you wrote:
 Hi All I can see why people get so p*** off with lists, especially
 cooker which your mail gets blocked if the word help is used.

I can undesrtand why they'd do something like that - cooker is not a help 
list, per se. It's there to assist with the distro development, not solve 
general problems for regular users. And posting in all caps is considered 
shouting, so that may get you ignored as well.

And, as a general rule, posts with help' scattered liberally throughout the 
Subject line tend to be from people who haven't read the man page or the 
docs, haven't searched the list archives, haven't done a web search, and in 
general haven't expended any effort o their own behalf to solve their own 
problem. We're all guilt of that at times becase the effort to reserach a 
solution may be disproportionate to the problem itself and it is easier to 
tap a guru on the shoulder and get a quick answer.

And all this is not to belittle your request for help.  If your problem is 
really with a cooker kernel and a problem trying to recomplie the current 
cooker kernel because of some problem with it, re-state your request and ask 
the cooker list (without shouting HELP). But if the problem appears to be 
operator error and not a cooker problem, you'll likely not get an answer.

I haven't complied a kernel in a few years, but from what you posted, it 
looks like you're having a dependency problem with the 3rd party apps, even 
if you deselect them all in the config file. Try moving the 
/usr/src/linux/3rdparty directory somewhere else and see what happens and use 
make distclean or make mrproper (I forget which one is appropriate it's been 
so long, so you'll have to look that one up).

If you still have trouble and need to use a ptached kernel, try patching the 
official kernel sources and not the already heavily patched Mandrake 
sources. I never had much luck tryng to patch them.

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Re: [expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN

2002-02-23 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 23 February 2002 07:56 am, you wrote:
 On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 12:27, Hoyt wrote:
  I haven't complied a kernel in a few years, but from what you posted, it
  looks like you're having a dependency problem with the 3rd party apps,
  even if you deselect them all in the config file. Try moving the
  /usr/src/linux/3rdparty directory somewhere else and see what happens and
  use make distclean or make mrproper (I forget which one is appropriate
  it's been so long, so you'll have to look that one up).

 I tried moving the 3rdparty directory, all that happens there is that
 make config, or make xconfig fail on startup as that directory is used.


Then you'll have to try something else.

 As for posting to the cooker list I cant due to some obnoxios premadonna
 who dos'nt like the word help being used.

Not using the word HELP in the subject line seems to be the way to go then.

 They've patched the mandrake kernel so much there is only a handfull of
 people now, that can successfully compile it...,thats not development
 .

Can you compile the unaltered Mandrake sources? If so, then it's what you are 
doing or the incompatability of the patch (to mandrake sources) that is the 
problem.

 the process of development is to product a stable working product, and
 not to have a private little club.


No, it's to have a working product the way the Mandrake developers want it. 
If you want something different, you're on your owm -- that choice is what 
Linux and free software are all about.

My advice? Patch the generic kernel sources. If that fails, double-check your 
methodology and if your methodology is correct, contact the person who wrote 
the patch.

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Re: [expert] Fine I give up on everything

2002-02-23 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 23 February 2002 08:14 am, you wrote:
 I am having a sale on bullets this week

 On Friday 22 February 2002 19:37, you wrote:
  On Friday 22 February 2002 18:04, you wrote:
   I GIVE UP ON COMPUTERS, LINUX AND EVERYTHING


Waste of a good bullet.


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Re: [expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN

2002-02-23 Thread Hoyt

On Saturday 23 February 2002 10:39 am, you wrote:


 suggest then ?


None.

  Can you compile the unaltered Mandrake sources? If so, then it's what you
  are doing or the incompatability of the patch (to mandrake sources) that
  is the problem.

 last kernel that compiled was 2.4.16 without problems
 2.4.17-20mdk fails on make dep on the 3rdparty section, so its not the
 patch I added.

   the process of development is to product a stable working product, and
   not to have a private little club.
 
  No, it's to have a working product the way the Mandrake developers want
  it. If you want something different, you're on your owm -- that choice is
  what Linux and free software are all about.
 
  My advice? Patch the generic kernel sources. If that fails, double-check
  your methodology and if your methodology is correct, contact the person
  who wrote the patch.

 I'm downloading the generic kernel now, and compiled it.


 The 3rdparty section is a mandrake addon, screwup, whatever.
 Is it too much to ask who ever put patched that on to the generic kernel
 how to compile it .

Well, the trick is to find out what was cjanged to make teh patch no longer 
work. I've had that problem with Win4Lin patches against the Mandrake kernel.

 If the mandrake kernel gurus add something, they should at least support
 it.

They just don't seem to be supporting what _you_ want. Big difference.

 As I said this should have been posted to cooker, but they dont like to
 sort out the mess they make, and block mailing.

Have they blocked all _your_ posts or just the ones with HELP in it? If so, 
then just repost, but use less confrontational language and:

1. Tell them what you are trying to do (give them a link to the patch).

2. Tell them how you've done it.

3. Tell them what happened

4. Tell them what steps you've taken to try to solve the problem.

5. Remember that they _owe_ you nothing.


Good luck.

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