Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Dave Lers wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Stephen F. Bosch wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > bought a K62-500 instead. > > > Considering the fact that I managed to totally mis-match the board and > > > chip, it has been a remarkably wonderful processor. Winflop is unstable; > > > Linux won't install - but the chip never fails. Now I'm looking at the ASUS > > > PA-B (baby AT)to replace the board I just installed in a new AT tower. > > > > Any suggestions? > > Well based on all the reviews I looked at, the Epox MVP3G2 was the > most highly rated (there was a Tyan also highly rated for > speed/overclockability but Epox had the advantage where stability > was concerned). My windows box has a k62-500 on that board and is > problem free. My Linux box has the older, highly rated/popular, > VA-503+ with a k62-300 which has also treated me well. > I went with Tyan and have no complaints, unlike the MSI -- Steve - Cheltenham, UK - In love and light we are In darkness we are no less
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Stephen F. Bosch wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > bought a K62-500 instead. > > Considering the fact that I managed to totally mis-match the board and > > chip, it has been a remarkably wonderful processor. Winflop is unstable; > > Linux won't install - but the chip never fails. Now I'm looking at the ASUS > > PA-B (baby AT)to replace the board I just installed in a new AT tower. > > Any suggestions? Well based on all the reviews I looked at, the Epox MVP3G2 was the most highly rated (there was a Tyan also highly rated for speed/overclockability but Epox had the advantage where stability was concerned). My windows box has a k62-500 on that board and is problem free. My Linux box has the older, highly rated/popular, VA-503+ with a k62-300 which has also treated me well. Interesting note, people talk about the instability of windows but, with both those boxes, I haven't noticed. Oh I get the occasional program that just dies (like Netscape under Linux) but I cannot remember the last time windows crashed on me. Admittedly I've never run windows 24/7 or run servers, Perl and other stuff I do with Linux but that's why I got into Linux.
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I was going to buy the K63-450 in February. The tech told me AMD didn't > support the K3 because the tri-level cache was flaky and undependable IF I > was doing equations and other mathematical computations. Based on that and > the fact I don't know anything about a cache, I bought a K62-500 instead. > Considering the fact that I managed to totally mis-match the board and > chip, it has been a remarkably wonderful processor. Winflop is unstable; > Linux won't install - but the chip never fails. Now I'm looking at the ASUS > PA-B (baby AT)to replace the board I just installed in a new AT tower. I > can underclock the chip to 233 and run it on this board, but it would > defeat the purpose of having it. I could have kept my money and run my > MMX200. This has been a LARGE lesson. > > Any suggestions? See if you can hunt down a proper K6/2 supporting board. I use an Asus P5A (*grins*) and at the moment it's the only Super 7 board that pops to mind. I'm hesitant to recommend the board because the ALi chipset on it was a disaster (The AGP bus hates fast cards, and it makes Winblows more unstable than usual) - HOWEVER, Linux runs just fine, and for Linux, this seems to make an adequate board. Try and find a Super 7 motherboard that uses one of the Via Apollo chipsets, those weren't plagued by stability problems. I find stories like this unfortunate, because they give AMD a bad name. This is one major reason (along with the more sensitive design of the Athlon) that AMD elected to develop its own chipset for the Athlon processors - and also one major reason why it pays to heed AMDs recommended motherboard list. Following this list, I haven't gone wrong once. -Stephen-
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
I was going to buy the K63-450 in February. The tech told me AMD didn't support the K3 because the tri-level cache was flaky and undependable IF I was doing equations and other mathematical computations. Based on that and the fact I don't know anything about a cache, I bought a K62-500 instead. Considering the fact that I managed to totally mis-match the board and chip, it has been a remarkably wonderful processor. Winflop is unstable; Linux won't install - but the chip never fails. Now I'm looking at the ASUS PA-B (baby AT)to replace the board I just installed in a new AT tower. I can underclock the chip to 233 and run it on this board, but it would defeat the purpose of having it. I could have kept my money and run my MMX200. This has been a LARGE lesson. Any suggestions? Pj At 12:46 PM 8/26/00 +0200, you wrote: >On Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 10:59:32PM -0400, Richard Potter wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Jean-Louis Debert wrote: >> >> > The L1 cache _always_ runs at processor speed on any processor >> > that I know of ... To do otherwise would defeat its purpose IMHO. >> > But the K6-3 also has 256K of _L2_ cache (yep, level 2, the cache >> > on the MB, if any, is level 3) running at full processor speed. >> >> Yeap... and at end of life prices, the K6-III was an excellent buy. AMD >> still offers OEM's K6-2+ (128K on-chip L2 cache) and K6-III+ (256K >> on-chip L2 cache) cpu's for the mobile market. If they were available >> retail, they would be great chips to extend the life of Socket 7 >> motherboards. > >Actually, the AMD K6-III 450MHz performs almost like an Pentium II 450MHz. >Got the AMD at Home, the Pentium II at work. I prefere the AMD :) > >Many people are talking about unstable AMD-Systems etc. But most of the >time, they don't inform themselves what runs how and where. > >Since the beginning I run AMD CPU's and never had a problem. I fried on >Motherboards AGP-Power line once because the Board didn't stand the Load >of the Voodoo-III 3000 Board I had inside. > >Cya > smurphy >-- >Oh, so there you are! > >| Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| >| in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work)| >| Stardust's LiNUX System : http://www.solsys.org | >| PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Data, Voice & Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | > >PGP fingerprint: 6D E9 7B 04 57 7B 65 42 B7 7A D0 AA 69 95 7C E1 > > >
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
On Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 10:59:32PM -0400, Richard Potter wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Jean-Louis Debert wrote: > > > The L1 cache _always_ runs at processor speed on any processor > > that I know of ... To do otherwise would defeat its purpose IMHO. > > But the K6-3 also has 256K of _L2_ cache (yep, level 2, the cache > > on the MB, if any, is level 3) running at full processor speed. > > Yeap... and at end of life prices, the K6-III was an excellent buy. AMD > still offers OEM's K6-2+ (128K on-chip L2 cache) and K6-III+ (256K > on-chip L2 cache) cpu's for the mobile market. If they were available > retail, they would be great chips to extend the life of Socket 7 > motherboards. Actually, the AMD K6-III 450MHz performs almost like an Pentium II 450MHz. Got the AMD at Home, the Pentium II at work. I prefere the AMD :) Many people are talking about unstable AMD-Systems etc. But most of the time, they don't inform themselves what runs how and where. Since the beginning I run AMD CPU's and never had a problem. I fried on Motherboards AGP-Power line once because the Board didn't stand the Load of the Voodoo-III 3000 Board I had inside. Cya smurphy -- Oh, so there you are! | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : http://www.solsys.org | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Data, Voice & Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | PGP fingerprint: 6D E9 7B 04 57 7B 65 42 B7 7A D0 AA 69 95 7C E1
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Jean-Louis Debert wrote: > The L1 cache _always_ runs at processor speed on any processor > that I know of ... To do otherwise would defeat its purpose IMHO. > But the K6-3 also has 256K of _L2_ cache (yep, level 2, the cache > on the MB, if any, is level 3) running at full processor speed. Yeap... and at end of life prices, the K6-III was an excellent buy. AMD still offers OEM's K6-2+ (128K on-chip L2 cache) and K6-III+ (256K on-chip L2 cache) cpu's for the mobile market. If they were available retail, they would be great chips to extend the life of Socket 7 motherboards. Bad AMD! Cheers!, -- Richard Potter Re/Max Team ideal Realty Inc. Kingston, ON CANADA http://www.kingstonhouses.com
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Jean-Louis Debert wrote: > > "Ron Johnson, Jr." wrote: > > The K6-3 is a kissing cousin of the K6-2. The only diff is that > > on the K6-3, the L1 cache runs at processor speed, whereas on > > K6-2, the L1 is slower. > > The L1 cache _always_ runs at processor speed on any processor > that I know of ... To do otherwise would defeat its purpose IMHO. > But the K6-3 also has 256K of _L2_ cache (yep, level 2, the cache > on the MB, if any, is level 3) running at full processor speed. > > This is a bit like the Celeron, which only has 128K of L2 cache > on-chip. Thanks for the correction. Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
"Ron Johnson, Jr." wrote: > The K6-3 is a kissing cousin of the K6-2. The only diff is that > on the K6-3, the L1 cache runs at processor speed, whereas on > K6-2, the L1 is slower. The L1 cache _always_ runs at processor speed on any processor that I know of ... To do otherwise would defeat its purpose IMHO. But the K6-3 also has 256K of _L2_ cache (yep, level 2, the cache on the MB, if any, is level 3) running at full processor speed. This is a bit like the Celeron, which only has 128K of L2 cache on-chip. -- Jean-Louis Debert[EMAIL PROTECTED] 74 Annemasse France old Linux fan
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Vic wrote: > > Sorry, what is a scaled dog? > Does it mean fast? > I've heard of catfish, but not dogfish... Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Poodles? I God nolap shark! hoppin hanky hacker!! no thanks. been there done that never wanna do it again. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** <_||_> in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Vic wrote: > This ain't no flame, its just a poodle. > > Poodles are ok by me so you could say there > is one dog I like, hehe. > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > Vic wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, what is a scaled dog? > > > Does it mean fast? > > > > > Sorry, hadn't had my 3 pots of coffee yet. That would be a > > scalded dog and yep that thar would be fast... > > > > Joe > > > > BTW, I love dogs - NO FLAMEs > >
RE: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
On second thought now...if that very thing were to happen I'm thinking that the ape might not be running, rather he would be a chasing and doing that with murder in his eyes! That statement is more a oxy-'moron' with heavy emphesis on MORON! :)_ -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** <_||_> in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Zaleski, Matthew (M.E.) wrote: > Maybe he means it runs like a raped ape. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Vic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:22 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux? > > > > > > Sorry, what is a scaled dog? > > Does it mean fast? > > > >
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
I think it's akin to a raped ape, or shakin like a dog crappin razor-blades. that sorta thing. get the picture? :)_ -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** <_||_> in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Vic wrote: > Sorry, what is a scaled dog? > Does it mean fast? > > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > Vic wrote: > > > > > > Just curious > > > > > > I use an AMD K6-3 400. > > > > > > I know this is an older slower chip, but > > > it appears to run decently with 7.0-2. > > > Is K6-3 a cousin to the Pentium or Pentium3? > > > > > > Is the Athlon a totally new architecture or > > > more related to the K6-3? > > > > > The Athlon is a totally new arch. the K6-2 was related to PII > > and I suspec the K6-3 is related to the PIII's although the K6's > > still used socket-7's. The Athlon uses their own propritary Slot A > > technology (bad AMD 8-)) I have several K6-2-300's around and they > > run very well with 7.0 and 7.1 and my Athlon (K7) runs like a scaled > > dog. > > > > Cheers > > -- > > Joseph S Gardner > > > > Senior Designer / Technical Support > > Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > The box said, > > "Requires Windows 3.x or better", > > so I got Linux. > > > > Registered Linux user #1696600 > >
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
This ain't no flame, its just a poodle. Poodles are ok by me so you could say there is one dog I like, hehe. On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, you wrote: > Vic wrote: > > > > Sorry, what is a scaled dog? > > Does it mean fast? > > > Sorry, hadn't had my 3 pots of coffee yet. That would be a > scalded dog and yep that thar would be fast... > > Joe > > BTW, I love dogs - NO FLAMEs
RE: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Maybe he means it runs like a raped ape. > -Original Message- > From: Vic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux? > > > Sorry, what is a scaled dog? > Does it mean fast? >
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Vic wrote: > > Sorry, what is a scaled dog? > Does it mean fast? > Sorry, hadn't had my 3 pots of coffee yet. That would be a scalded dog and yep that thar would be fast... Joe BTW, I love dogs - NO FLAMEs
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Sorry, what is a scaled dog? Does it mean fast? On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, you wrote: > Vic wrote: > > > > Just curious > > > > I use an AMD K6-3 400. > > > > I know this is an older slower chip, but > > it appears to run decently with 7.0-2. > > Is K6-3 a cousin to the Pentium or Pentium3? > > > > Is the Athlon a totally new architecture or > > more related to the K6-3? > > > The Athlon is a totally new arch. the K6-2 was related to PII > and I suspec the K6-3 is related to the PIII's although the K6's > still used socket-7's. The Athlon uses their own propritary Slot A > technology (bad AMD 8-)) I have several K6-2-300's around and they > run very well with 7.0 and 7.1 and my Athlon (K7) runs like a scaled > dog. > > Cheers > -- > Joseph S Gardner > > Senior Designer / Technical Support > Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The box said, > "Requires Windows 3.x or better", > so I got Linux. > > Registered Linux user #1696600
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
"Ron Johnson, Jr." wrote: > > "Joseph S. Gardner" wrote: > > > > Vic wrote: > > > > > > Just curious > > > > > > I use an AMD K6-3 400. > > > > > > I know this is an older slower chip, but > > > it appears to run decently with 7.0-2. > > > Is K6-3 a cousin to the Pentium or Pentium3? > > > > > > Is the Athlon a totally new architecture or > > > more related to the K6-3? > > > > > The Athlon is a totally new arch. the K6-2 was related to PII > > and I suspec the K6-3 is related to the PIII's although the K6's > > still used socket-7's. The Athlon uses their own propritary Slot A > > technology (bad AMD 8-)) I have several K6-2-300's around and they > > run very well with 7.0 and 7.1 and my Athlon (K7) runs like a scaled > > dog. > > The K6-3 is a kissing cousin of the K6-2. The only diff is that > on the K6-3, the L1 cache runs at processor speed, whereas on > K6-2, the L1 is slower. > Tanks, I didn't know dat... -- Joseph S Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED] The box said, "Requires Windows 3.x or better", so I got Linux. Registered Linux user #1696600
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
"Joseph S. Gardner" wrote: > > Vic wrote: > > > > Just curious > > > > I use an AMD K6-3 400. > > > > I know this is an older slower chip, but > > it appears to run decently with 7.0-2. > > Is K6-3 a cousin to the Pentium or Pentium3? > > > > Is the Athlon a totally new architecture or > > more related to the K6-3? > > > The Athlon is a totally new arch. the K6-2 was related to PII > and I suspec the K6-3 is related to the PIII's although the K6's > still used socket-7's. The Athlon uses their own propritary Slot A > technology (bad AMD 8-)) I have several K6-2-300's around and they > run very well with 7.0 and 7.1 and my Athlon (K7) runs like a scaled > dog. The K6-3 is a kissing cousin of the K6-2. The only diff is that on the K6-3, the L1 cache runs at processor speed, whereas on K6-2, the L1 is slower. Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Vic wrote: > > Just curious > > I use an AMD K6-3 400. > > I know this is an older slower chip, but > it appears to run decently with 7.0-2. > Is K6-3 a cousin to the Pentium or Pentium3? > > Is the Athlon a totally new architecture or > more related to the K6-3? > The Athlon is a totally new arch. the K6-2 was related to PII and I suspec the K6-3 is related to the PIII's although the K6's still used socket-7's. The Athlon uses their own propritary Slot A technology (bad AMD 8-)) I have several K6-2-300's around and they run very well with 7.0 and 7.1 and my Athlon (K7) runs like a scaled dog. Cheers -- Joseph S Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED] The box said, "Requires Windows 3.x or better", so I got Linux. Registered Linux user #1696600
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Just curious I use an AMD K6-3 400. I know this is an older slower chip, but it appears to run decently with 7.0-2. Is K6-3 a cousin to the Pentium or Pentium3? Is the Athlon a totally new architecture or more related to the K6-3? Sorry for the 1000 questions. On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote: > Greg Stewart wrote: > > > > Don't know of any links to check, but I do know that Gateway's implemetation > > of the Athlon chip can be flaky--even under Windows98. > > > > --Greg > > > > >>> Forwarded Message <<< > > I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering > > the AMD chip . . . . > > I have had good success with the Athlon chips (they are > *fst*) but I have the following caveats: > > The Athlon chip is probably the most motherboard sensitive CPU I've ever > worked with (which would make sense given the speeds we're running at > now). > > *Generally* speaking, avoid boards that don't have the AMD chipsets (I > suspect the above mentioned Gateway doesn't have one). ALSO - don't buy > an Asus K7M - this board was an unmitigated disaster, owing in large > part to Asus' decision (who was responsible for this?) to *mix* North > and South bridges from AMD and Via. In many configurations this board is > plain unusable - I know enough people who were unable to get even Linux > and FreeBSD to run on it. > > I have now set up two machines on the Asus K7V with good success (this > board has an all VIA chipset). The units are speedy and very stable. > This is one of those cases where it pays to heed AMDs recommended > motherboard list. > > Having said that, I would definitely choose an Athlon over an Intel. AMD > has really closed the gap. These processors are solid performers. > > -Stephen-
RE: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
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RE: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
heheh Well I'm kind of biased towards AMD anyway. I'm running the full 1Ghz
at home. Never had any problems so far :)Linux loves it. The only tweaking I
did was to the Hard drives by turning on dma and 32 bit mode. using the
hdparm command. hdparm -c1 -d1 -x32 /dev/hda
Man it Fly's! literally!
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Eric Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/21/2000 08:29:11 AM
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Subject: RE: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and
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I think They actually got the 1Ghz working stable at 850Mhz =o\
If AMD can actually get a socket style chip back into production I think
the race might be over and the decision to chose one processor over another
will be a lot less questionable. I am running a 750 Athlon right now and it
litterally blew me away.
My 2 Cents
Lonny Selinger
And AMD will always have the edge. Considering everything out of Intel now
days is vaporware. They can not even get their 1Ghz to run stable w/ a
custom chipset and mainboard.
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until the pentium IV comes out, athlon processors have the edge.
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> I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously
considering
> the AMD chip . . . .
>
> Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with
> Linux, Windows, etc?
>
> Thanks in advance. . . .
>
> Robert Fox
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Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
James Long wrote: > PIV -> 1.5 GHz + on a 400Mhz bus if the rumours are to be believed That definitely sounds like vapourware to me. Intel hasn't had anything significant to show for 18 months, so they are resorting to the same tactics they once accused their competitors of employing. It's nice to see the shoe on the other foot for a change. -Stephen- PS: Just so you know - AMD's dramatic turnaround began when they poached two of Intel's top engineers =) - goes to show it's all in the people...
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
PIV -> 1.5 GHz + on a 400Mhz bus if the rumours are to be believed If they get this to run stable w/o massive cooling then it might blitz the quarterback of AMD... - Original Message - From: Eric Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: RE: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux? > And AMD will always have the edge. Considering everything out of Intel now > days is vaporware. They can not even get their 1Ghz to run stable w/ a > custom chipset and mainboard. > > -Original Message- > From: simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 4:56 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux? > > > until the pentium IV comes out, athlon processors have the edge. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Robert Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 06:12 > Subject: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux? > > > > I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering > > the AMD chip . . . . > > > > Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with > > Linux, Windows, etc? > > > > Thanks in advance. . . . > > > > Robert Fox > > ** > > (¯`·.¸¸.-> F O X Consulting Services <-.¸¸.·´¯) > > Europe Voice: +49/(0)172-9600938Fax: +49/(0)89-9218 > >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > FCS Web Page: http://foxconsult.com > > USA Voice: +1 (650) 369-7369 Fax: +1 (650) 429-2122 > > ** > > > > > > > >
RE: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Eric Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/21/2000 08:29:11 AM
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Subject: RE: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and
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I think They actually got the 1Ghz working stable at 850Mhz =o\
If AMD can actually get a socket style chip back into production I think
the race might be over and the decision to chose one processor over another
will be a lot less questionable. I am running a 750 Athlon right now and it
litterally blew me away.
My 2 Cents
Lonny Selinger
And AMD will always have the edge. Considering everything out of Intel now
days is vaporware. They can not even get their 1Ghz to run stable w/ a
custom chipset and mainboard.
-Original Message-
From: simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 4:56 PM
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until the pentium IV comes out, athlon processors have the edge.
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> I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously
considering
> the AMD chip . . . .
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RE: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
And AMD will always have the edge. Considering everything out of Intel now days is vaporware. They can not even get their 1Ghz to run stable w/ a custom chipset and mainboard. -Original Message- From: simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 4:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux? until the pentium IV comes out, athlon processors have the edge. - Original Message - From: "Robert Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 06:12 Subject: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux? > I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering > the AMD chip . . . . > > Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with > Linux, Windows, etc? > > Thanks in advance. . . . > > Robert Fox > ** > (¯`·.¸¸.-> F O X Consulting Services <-.¸¸.·´¯) > Europe Voice: +49/(0)172-9600938Fax: +49/(0)89-9218 >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > FCS Web Page: http://foxconsult.com > USA Voice: +1 (650) 369-7369 Fax: +1 (650) 429-2122 > ** > > >
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
until the pentium IV comes out, athlon processors have the edge. - Original Message - From: "Robert Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 06:12 Subject: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux? > I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering > the AMD chip . . . . > > Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with > Linux, Windows, etc? > > Thanks in advance. . . . > > Robert Fox > ** > (¯`·.¸¸.-> F O X Consulting Services <-.¸¸.·´¯) > Europe Voice: +49/(0)172-9600938Fax: +49/(0)89-9218 >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > FCS Web Page: http://foxconsult.com > USA Voice: +1 (650) 369-7369 Fax: +1 (650) 429-2122 > ** > > >
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Robert Fox wrote: > > I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering > the AMD chip . . . . > > Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with > Linux, Windows, etc? > > Thanks in advance. . . . > > Robert Fox My vote goes to the Athlon. I purchased a K7-750 and Abit's KA7 mobo and I'll put it up against an Intel box any day. Can't beat the price either $200 for the chip and $135 for the mobo. Runs very well with MDK 7.1 -- Joseph S Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED] The box said, "Requires Windows 3.x or better", so I got Linux. Registered Linux user #1696600
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
El dom, 20 ago 2000, escribiste: > I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering > the AMD chip . . . . > > Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with > Linux, Windows, etc? We have a cluster with Athlon @500 MHz and they are faster than PIII @550 MHz running scientific computations with a lot of float point operations (for example, my evolutionary environment for obtaining robot controllers is 20% faster). Motherboard is Asus K7M and we have not any problems. The main issue with Athlons is the power supply (250W at least). My brother has a gaming machine with an Athlon @700 MHz and a GeForce DDR on an Asus K7V. Games are fster!!! and linux runs very well too ;-) Look at www.aceshardware.com and www.tomshardware.com, they have good benchmarks and they EXPLAIN the results.
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
I just got a AMD Duron 700 and installed Mandrake 7.1 with no major problems. it runs fine and seems to be very stable. I upgraded the kernel immediately to 2.2.16-9mdk, Only slight problem I had was with the onboard sound on the motherboard (epox socketA), but the alsa drivers took care of that. -Byron Jason Pierce wrote: > Hello Robert. An AMD K6-2 will have no problems. >An AMD K7 Athlon Slot A(from 500mHz to 700, I think) there >will be no problems. However, if you use an AMD K7 Athlon Thunderbird(newer >athlons, 600mHz and up, I think, made for Socket A, but adaptable to Slot A >Will have some(easily correctable, I have heard) problems. Will be detected >as a PIII at install and PIII kernel will be used. you will have to reboot >and use a rescue disk to install the 386 kernel. I have heard that the >new kernels correctly support the Athlon Thunderbirds though. I don't know >about the new Durons, but suspect that since they are also Socket A, >will have to do the same as for the Athlon Thunderbirds. > > > Hope this helps you, Jason Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** > > On 08|20|2000| at 12|12 PM| Robert Fox wrote: > > R>I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering > R>the AMD chip . . . . > R> > R>Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with > R>Linux, Windows, etc? > R> > R>Thanks in advance. . . . > R> > R>Robert Fox > R>** > R>(¯`·.¸¸.-> F O X Consulting Services <-.¸¸.·´¯) > R>Europe Voice: +49/(0)172-9600938Fax: +49/(0)89-9218 > R> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > R> FCS Web Page: http://foxconsult.com > R> USA Voice: +1 (650) 369-7369 Fax: +1 (650) 429-2122 > R>**
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Greg Stewart wrote: > > Don't know of any links to check, but I do know that Gateway's implemetation > of the Athlon chip can be flaky--even under Windows98. > > --Greg > > >>> Forwarded Message <<< > I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering > the AMD chip . . . . I have had good success with the Athlon chips (they are *fst*) but I have the following caveats: The Athlon chip is probably the most motherboard sensitive CPU I've ever worked with (which would make sense given the speeds we're running at now). *Generally* speaking, avoid boards that don't have the AMD chipsets (I suspect the above mentioned Gateway doesn't have one). ALSO - don't buy an Asus K7M - this board was an unmitigated disaster, owing in large part to Asus' decision (who was responsible for this?) to *mix* North and South bridges from AMD and Via. In many configurations this board is plain unusable - I know enough people who were unable to get even Linux and FreeBSD to run on it. I have now set up two machines on the Asus K7V with good success (this board has an all VIA chipset). The units are speedy and very stable. This is one of those cases where it pays to heed AMDs recommended motherboard list. Having said that, I would definitely choose an Athlon over an Intel. AMD has really closed the gap. These processors are solid performers. -Stephen-
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Hello Robert. An AMD K6-2 will have no problems. An AMD K7 Athlon Slot A(from 500mHz to 700, I think) there will be no problems. However, if you use an AMD K7 Athlon Thunderbird(newer athlons, 600mHz and up, I think, made for Socket A, but adaptable to Slot A) Will have some(easily correctable, I have heard) problems. Will be detected as a PIII at install and PIII kernel will be used. you will have to reboot and use a rescue disk to install the 386 kernel. I have heard that the new kernels correctly support the Athlon Thunderbirds though. I don't know about the new Durons, but suspect that since they are also Socket A, will have to do the same as for the Athlon Thunderbirds. Hope this helps you, Jason Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 08|20|2000| at 12|12 PM| Robert Fox wrote: R>I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering R>the AMD chip . . . . R> R>Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with R>Linux, Windows, etc? R> R>Thanks in advance. . . . R> R>Robert Fox R>** R>(¯`·.¸¸.-> F O X Consulting Services <-.¸¸.·´¯) R>Europe Voice: +49/(0)172-9600938Fax: +49/(0)89-9218 R> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] R> FCS Web Page: http://foxconsult.com R> USA Voice: +1 (650) 369-7369 Fax: +1 (650) 429-2122 R>**
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
- Original Message - From: "Greg Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux? > Don't know of any links to check, but I do know that Gateway's implemetation > of the Athlon chip can be flaky--even under Windows98. > > --Greg > > >>> Forwarded Message <<< > I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering > the AMD chip . . . . > > Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with > Linux, Windows, etc? > > Thanks in advance. . . . > > Robert Fox Wheather you have an Athlon or a PIII you will not see much differance in performance unless you do a lot of gaming or running apps which make use of SSE instructions. Any "problems or flackiness" that any OS has with either processor is usually caused by the MOBO chip-set and not because the of brand you buy. Charles
Re: [expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
Don't know of any links to check, but I do know that Gateway's implemetation of the Athlon chip can be flaky--even under Windows98. --Greg >>> Forwarded Message <<< I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering the AMD chip . . . . Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with Linux, Windows, etc? Thanks in advance. . . . Robert Fox __ message envoye depuis http://www.ifrance.com emails (pop)-sites persos (espace illimite)-agenda-favoris (bookmarks)-forums Ecoutez ce message par tel ! : 08 92 68 92 15 (france uniquement)
[expert] AMD K7 Athelon vs. Intel PIII and Linux?
I'm in the market for a new machine . . . . and I am seriously considering the AMD chip . . . . Could anyone point me to references which show pros and cons of each with Linux, Windows, etc? Thanks in advance. . . . Robert Fox ** (¯`·.¸¸.-> F O X Consulting Services <-.¸¸.·´¯) Europe Voice: +49/(0)172-9600938Fax: +49/(0)89-9218 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] FCS Web Page: http://foxconsult.com USA Voice: +1 (650) 369-7369 Fax: +1 (650) 429-2122 **
