Re: [expert] NIC's
Richard Bown wrote: > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > lost. > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > this machine, > My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine > would floor a poxy winyuk machine. > What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. My machines all have Realtek 8139's, but not ultracheap generics. They're made by AOpen, ALN-825, which was superceded by AON-825. I just bought 5 AON-825's for less than $9US apiece. My 9.0 box downloads Mandrake ISO's in less than 40 minutes each when the mirror isn't overloaded or throttled. -- "Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry." Ephesians 4:26 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Got the same chip on my NIC. At what speed does it not work as expected? Mine works but freqwently locks the network service so it has to be restarted. tis 2003-07-15 klockan 18.45 skrev Richard Bown: > Hi all > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > lost. > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > this machine, > My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine > would floor a poxy winyuk machine. > What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. > > > TIA > Richard -- Windows, a 32 bit shell and some extensions for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. I'm runing on Linux! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NIC's
Hi, well the comparison method was to compare the traceroute time to the ISP server, he was getting around 8 msecs compared to my 18 msecs, the fastest download speed I've ever seen has been about 90 kb/s. Which I think for a broadband cable link is not as fast as it could be.. I wish I could download iso 's in 40 mins, it normally takes all night :( comments ? Richard On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 18:23, Felix Miata wrote: > Richard Bown wrote: > > > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > > lost. > > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > > this machine, > > My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine > > would floor a poxy winyuk machine. > > What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. > > My machines all have Realtek 8139's, but not ultracheap generics. > They're made by AOpen, ALN-825, which was superceded by AON-825. I just > bought 5 AON-825's for less than $9US apiece. My 9.0 box downloads > Mandrake ISO's in less than 40 minutes each when the mirror isn't > overloaded or throttled. -- Richard Bown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I use Intel Pro100 and 3com nics in all of my machines. Never a hiccup and plenty fast (even the 10Mb ISA 3Com's!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MailServiceDaemon Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] NIC's Got the same chip on my NIC. At what speed does it not work as expected? Mine works but freqwently locks the network service so it has to be restarted. tis 2003-07-15 klockan 18.45 skrev Richard Bown: > Hi all > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > lost. > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > this machine, > My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine > would floor a poxy winyuk machine. > What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. > > > TIA > Richard -- Windows, a 32 bit shell and some extensions for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. I'm runing on Linux! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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yeah, must say i have had a good run with the intels as well. rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of logic7 Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2003 2:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] NIC's I use Intel Pro100 and 3com nics in all of my machines. Never a hiccup and plenty fast (even the 10Mb ISA 3Com's!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MailServiceDaemon Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] NIC's Got the same chip on my NIC. At what speed does it not work as expected? Mine works but freqwently locks the network service so it has to be restarted. tis 2003-07-15 klockan 18.45 skrev Richard Bown: > Hi all > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > lost. > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > this machine, > My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine > would floor a poxy winyuk machine. > What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. > > > TIA > Richard -- Windows, a 32 bit shell and some extensions for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. I'm runing on Linux! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] NIC's
you must have a lot of people on your node. I get about 250KB/sec on good sites no matter which PC I'm using. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Bown Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] NIC's Hi, well the comparison method was to compare the traceroute time to the ISP server, he was getting around 8 msecs compared to my 18 msecs, the fastest download speed I've ever seen has been about 90 kb/s. Which I think for a broadband cable link is not as fast as it could be.. I wish I could download iso 's in 40 mins, it normally takes all night :( comments ? Richard On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 18:23, Felix Miata wrote: > Richard Bown wrote: > > > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > > lost. > > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > > this machine, > > My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine > > would floor a poxy winyuk machine. > > What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. > > My machines all have Realtek 8139's, but not ultracheap generics. > They're made by AOpen, ALN-825, which was superceded by AON-825. I just > bought 5 AON-825's for less than $9US apiece. My 9.0 box downloads > Mandrake ISO's in less than 40 minutes each when the mirror isn't > overloaded or throttled. -- Richard Bown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NIC's
Richard Bown wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 18:23, Felix Miata wrote: > > My machines all have Realtek 8139's, but not ultracheap generics. > > They're made by AOpen, ALN-825, which was superceded by AON-825. I just > > bought 5 AON-825's for less than $9US apiece. My 9.0 box downloads > > Mandrake ISO's in less than 40 minutes each when the mirror isn't > > overloaded or throttled. > well the comparison method was to compare the traceroute time to the ISP > server, he was getting around 8 msecs compared to my 18 msecs, the > fastest download speed I've ever seen has been about 90 kb/s. > Which I think for a broadband cable link is not as fast as it could be.. > I wish I could download iso 's in 40 mins, it normally takes all night > :( Some cheap boards are just junk, and give the 8139 a bad name. That's why I provided brand, part number, and price of something known good. Try swapping your NIC into another PCI slot. Sometimes the problem is poor resource sharing, which slot swapping can overcome. If your motherboard is older (has 3 or 4 ISA slots), put it in slot 2 or 3 instead of 1 or 4. -- "Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry." Ephesians 4:26 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** Rotary ONLY since 1973 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ <- More than just a FAQ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Richard Bown wrote: > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > this machine, My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a > linux machine would floor a poxy winyuk machine. What NICs are known to > work well , ie fast.. Just a shot in the dark here, but could this be a half- vs. full-duplex issue, perhaps? Any idea what NIC chipset he had in that lappie? -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 & 9.0 "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Everyones comments all noted. Bill I can discount the HD FD bit as I've force the link between the cable modem to FD, surfboard SB3100 and the NIC to FD but I cant get any faster than 10MB none of the 100MB settings work. motherboard is a K7 triton, with a 1.2 GHz duron, 500MB of ram. I know the slowest part of the link on a download will limit the download speed but is'nt most of the network now on fibre. Richard On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 21:12, Bill Mullen wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Richard Bown wrote: > > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > > this machine, My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a > > linux machine would floor a poxy winyuk machine. What NICs are known to > > work well , ie fast.. > > Just a shot in the dark here, but could this be a half- vs. full-duplex > issue, perhaps? Any idea what NIC chipset he had in that lappie? -- Richard Bown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 09:45, Richard Bown wrote: > Hi all > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > lost. > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > this machine, > My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine > would floor a poxy winyuk machine. > What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. In testing I've learned to love 3c905's and the Intel p100's ... > > > TIA > Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On September 1993 plus 3604 days Richard Bown wrote: > Hi all > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > lost. > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > this machine, > My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine > would floor a poxy winyuk machine. > What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. The only NIC worth using, IMNSHO, is Intel Etherexpress Pro 100+...if you have the inclination, a Pro+/S is a very good model too, but the encryption on it isn't really worth unless you are doing VPNing between boxes that all have the same NIC. I've tested windows boxes against my firewall with my EEPros and the winboxes don't come close (about 3k download speed difference with the best winboxes using an EEPro too). I'll use a lot of crappy HW, but for my NICs, I only buy EEPros. Worth every cent. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Well - it depends on the Implementation. The 3c9x can be in a bad implementation as on the Asus A7N8X Delux Boards. The Onboard via-rhine Lan-port is 2 times faster than the onboard 3c9x Implementation. But I have to admit - that in long run - Intel/Tulip and 3c9x Boards have proven to be the most stable ones :) Cheers Joerg On Monday 14 July 2003 09:07, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 09:45, Richard Bown wrote: > > Hi all > > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > > lost. > > > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > > this machine, > > My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine > > would floor a poxy winyuk machine. > > What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. > > In testing I've learned to love 3c905's and the Intel p100's ... > > > TIA > > Richard -- A good reputation is more valuable than money. -- Publilius Syrus | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alt1)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Alt2)| | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice & Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Richard Bown wrote: > Bill I can discount the HD FD bit as I've force the link between the > cable modem to FD, surfboard SB3100 and the NIC to FD but I cant get any > faster than 10MB none of the 100MB settings work. Probably because the hardware at the cable modem end cannot support 100Mb speed; not surprising, as even 10Mb is well over double even the fastest possible connection achievable[1] over a cable connection, and the most common plans will top out at 1.5-2Mb/s ... so there's not much need to put 100Mb HW into the modems. Perhaps if you force the NIC to 10Mb, you'll see some improvement? At least it won't bog down over any speed negotiations. [1] By "achievable", I mean under the current service plan offerings of the major cable players, not the actual capability of the wire itself. -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 & 9.0 "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 14:02, Vox wrote: > > The only NIC worth using, IMNSHO, is Intel Etherexpress Pro > 100+...if you have the inclination, a Pro+/S is a very good model > too, but the encryption on it isn't really worth unless you are > doing VPNing between boxes that all have the same NIC. I've tested > windows boxes against my firewall with my EEPros and the winboxes > don't come close (about 3k download speed difference with the best > winboxes using an EEPro too). > > I'll use a lot of crappy HW, but for my NICs, I only buy > EEPros. Worth every cent. > > Vox > > -- > Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind > of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ > technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. Agreed. I asked the operations folks at Supernews (one of the largest NNTP providers in the world, who push GIGABYTES of data through their network) what cards they recommend. They said Intel with the 82559 chipset. That's all I buy, and they've all worked flawlessly. I highly recommend them. -- Brian Keefer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On September 1993 plus 3604 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 14:02, Vox wrote: >> >> The only NIC worth using, IMNSHO, is Intel Etherexpress Pro >> 100+...if you have the inclination, a Pro+/S is a very good model >> too, but the encryption on it isn't really worth unless you are >> doing VPNing between boxes that all have the same NIC. I've tested >> windows boxes against my firewall with my EEPros and the winboxes >> don't come close (about 3k download speed difference with the best >> winboxes using an EEPro too). >> >> I'll use a lot of crappy HW, but for my NICs, I only buy >> EEPros. Worth every cent. >> >> Vox >> >> -- >> Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind >> of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ >> technology than everyone else.-- Donald B. Marti Jr. > > Agreed. I asked the operations folks at Supernews (one of the largest > NNTP providers in the world, who push GIGABYTES of data through their > network) what cards they recommend. They said Intel with the 82559 > chipset. That's all I buy, and they've all worked flawlessly. I highly > recommend them. I have a few networks where we get to push a few tens of gigabytes of data through the servers (LAN servers) every week...all the servers have intel cards...the workstations have all kinds of crap all over the place, because I don't have anything to do with them :) But there's 5 workstations, more or less, at each of those LANs that do have intel cards (I *do* take care of the WSs of the top dogs of the companies I consult for :)...the sites have a box that says "Dead NICs" on the side...I went through the box at one of the sites, out of curiosity...I saw at least 3 cards of each brand and chipset I know...except intel...I asked the HW dude there how often they emptied the box...he said every 3 months or so...and when I asked, he told me he dumps a dead intel card every 4 or 5 box dumps...compared to the other cards, it's paradise :) Vox, who only uses intel on computers owned by him :) -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, 2003-07-14 at 03:07, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 09:45, Richard Bown wrote: > > Hi all > > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > > lost. > > > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > > this machine, My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought > > a linux machine would floor a poxy winyuk machine. What NICs are known > > to work well , ie fast.. > > In testing I've learned to love 3c905's and the Intel p100's ... Can you tell me which ones had the best performance out of all of them, without compromising anything. ? 10/100 class, that is. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk "Filter That, Beotch!" --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 01:40, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Mon, 2003-07-14 at 03:07, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 09:45, Richard Bown wrote: > > > Hi all > > > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > > > lost. > > > > > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > > > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > > > this machine, My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought > > > > a linux machine would floor a poxy winyuk machine. What NICs are known > > > to work well , ie fast.. > > > > In testing I've learned to love 3c905's and the Intel p100's ... > > > Can you tell me which ones had the best performance out of all of them, > without compromising anything. ? > > 10/100 class, that is. > > LX For speed. The pro100 edged out the 3c905 (especially when using multiple NICS to a single network as in for example a web server.) by about 2 or 3 percent. For reliability. I've yet to have either one fail (over the last 4 years.) so I don't have a curve on that. In my old firewall some testing I did with them showed on a 100mb network the 3com had a true 42mb throughput, the pro100 about 43-44mb and a linksys about 32mb. One note, It also is affected by driver quality. One advantage afforded winders. The authors of the driver has access to data OSS authors often don't, but in the case of these cards I'd say it's pretty even. (anyone need a collection of bad netgear and linksys nics?) James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 11:12, James Sparenberg wrote: ... > it's pretty even. (anyone need a collection of bad netgear and linksys > nics?) > > James Just hang 'em on the christmas tree in about five months :-) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 15:21, Jack Coates wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 11:12, James Sparenberg wrote: > ... > > it's pretty even. (anyone need a collection of bad netgear and linksys > > nics?) > > > > James > > Just hang 'em on the christmas tree in about five months :-) Nah I'm going to give em as presents to windows users. *grin* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Perhaps they will make a good mobile if you combine them with outdated memory chips and AOL CD's. ;-) For speed. The pro100 edged out the 3c905 (especially when using ... it's pretty even. (anyone need a collection of bad netgear and linksys nics?) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 14:12, James Sparenberg wrote: > For speed. The pro100 edged out the 3c905 (especially when using > multiple NICS to a single network as in for example a web server.) by > about 2 or 3 percent. For reliability. I've yet to have either one > fail (over the last 4 years.) so I don't have a curve on that. In my > old firewall some testing I did with them showed on a 100mb network the > 3com had a true 42mb throughput, the pro100 about 43-44mb and a linksys > about 32mb. One note, It also is affected by driver quality. One > advantage afforded winders. The authors of the driver has access to > data OSS authors often don't, but in the case of these cards I'd say > it's pretty even. (anyone need a collection of bad netgear and linksys > nics?) > > James > I assume since netgear wasn't mentioned that it isn't as hot a product as many have been led to believe. (how did they rate?) Did you test the cards all in full duplex operation with a switch or was the throughput analyzed in half duplex mode. Which cards performed the best in full duplex? LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 22:58, Jim C wrote: > Perhaps they will make a good mobile if you combine them with outdated > memory chips and AOL CD's. > ;-) not the memory chips... those things go for a premium at the swap meets *grin* > > >For speed. The pro100 edged out the 3c905 (especially when using > >... > > > >it's pretty even. (anyone need a collection of bad netgear and linksys > >nics?) > > > > > > > > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
