Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, David BAUDENS wrote: > Barry Marler écrivit : > > > In my experience, this has not been the case. Closing any window can kill > > Netscape. I have experienced this phenomenon under 6.1 and 7.0, with > > Netscape 4.61 and 4.7. > > Hi, > > If you can reproduce this every time it's because you use a netscape > build for glibc-2.0 on a system using 2.1. You can fix it with netscape > from Air (7.0) and compat-glibc & compat-libcs. > > With theses packages, this bug disappear. > You're correct -- when I wrote the above response, I'd only recently _upgraded_ to Air. I was using a non-Mandrake version of Netscape. Problems with the upgrade led to a clean install of Air, which hosed the non-Mandrake RPM version of Netscape. Now that I've been using it for several weeks, the behavior does indeed seem to have stopped. /b Barry Marler Department of Parasitology and Medical Microbiology University of Georgia Athens, GA (706)542-0742 (706)542-0059 (fax)
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
Barry Marler écrivit : > In my experience, this has not been the case. Closing any window can kill > Netscape. I have experienced this phenomenon under 6.1 and 7.0, with > Netscape 4.61 and 4.7. Hi, If you can reproduce this every time it's because you use a netscape build for glibc-2.0 on a system using 2.1. You can fix it with netscape from Air (7.0) and compat-glibc & compat-libcs. With theses packages, this bug disappear. Regards, David BAUDENS -- Linux Mandrake http://www.mandrake.com/ --David
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Eric & Rosi & Jonathon wrote: > I'd like to add my observations on this bug of netscape. I've noticed a > pattern to this one (I believe): > The first netscape window opened is the "super-window". At any time, > closing it kills all other windows without confirm. However, you can > close any other window you want. In my experience, this has not been the case. Closing any window can kill Netscape. I have experienced this phenomenon under 6.1 and 7.0, with Netscape 4.61 and 4.7. /b Barry Marler Department of Parasitology and Medical Microbiology University of Georgia Athens, GA (706)542-0742 (706)542-0059 (fax)
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
Hi, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > [snip] > Ok lets clairify a bit and quit just generalizing the netscape problems. > > Senerio 1, > ppp line drops, and it never returns from the dns attempt > > Senerio 2, > Java > > Senerio 3, > Close one window they all close > > Senerio 4, > Exit netscape, and the process stays running > > These seem tobe the most persistant, let me know if you think i missed > any. > [snip] Yep. That covers it. The Java thing we all have been living with for a while. Its 4 that for me, is new, and bugging me the most.(BTW, wrote a little gdm postsession script that cleans up netscape processes after a user logout. So that at least reduces substantially the number of killalls I am doing per day.) Harshal
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
Hi again, Sorry for blinking off for a day. The campus router (which was the thing acting funny) finally went down. Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Harshal Pradhan wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > > > > Does it happen with a particular windowmanager or close method? Something > > > > Gnome/Enlightenment. More frequent when our LAN is acting funny. > > So it occurs for you _only_ under gnome-session and only with > enlightenment set for the windowmanager? What do you mean by acting funny, Nope. Checked out the rest. The same even with Twm. As for the LAN, well we were either getting SUPER speeds or, suddenly, nothing at all. Thats all worked out now though. (I hope!) > are you useing a nfs exported /usr dir or the like? NFS exported /home Looks like we are going to have to live with this one :-( till Mozilla shows up. Anyway, Thanx All. Harshal
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
I'd like to add my observations on this bug of netscape. I've noticed a pattern to this one (I believe): The first netscape window opened is the "super-window". At any time, closing it kills all other windows without confirm. However, you can close any other window you want. My solution is to open netscape with a Direcotry listing as a homepage, then open new windows to do anything, I just never close the "root" window (which I slide away to a different desktop). Could anyone else try and verify my theory (LM 6.1 COmm 4.7). Eric Aksomitis http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/re_answer.shtml [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > > Ok lets clairify a bit and quit just generalizing the netscape problems. > > Senerio 3, > > Close one window they all close > >
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, S. Newhouse wrote: > Maybe this is the same as Scenario 4, but at times netscape produces a > zombie process. I can't kill it unless I reboot. > > -sen > > Could be either one of the four, you would have tobe more specific about how and when
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
Maybe this is the same as Scenario 4, but at times netscape produces a zombie process. I can't kill it unless I reboot. -sen Axalon Bloodstone writes: > On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Rich Clark wrote: > > > On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > > > > Does it happen with a particular windowmanager or close method? Something > > > like that we _may_ be able todo something about, for java well we all know > > > the problem there. :/ > [..] > > > > I've noticed the same problem, usually happens after nutscrape nutvigator > > locks up while loading some java class. I can't say it's from any kind of > > close or specific to any desktop. Just for fun, I'm running KDE, kernel > > 2.2.14-15mdk on a K6-3/450 with 128 mb ram on an ASUS P5A. > > > > Ok lets clairify a bit and quit just generalizing the netscape problems. > > Senerio 1, > ppp line drops, and it never returns from the dns attempt > > Senerio 2, > Java > > Senerio 3, > Close one window they all close > > Senerio 4, > Exit netscape, and the process stays running > > > These seem tobe the most persistant, let me know if you think i missed > any. > > -- > MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > --Axalon >
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > Ok lets clairify a bit and quit just generalizing the netscape problems. > > Senerio 1, > ppp line drops, and it never returns from the dns attempt > > Senerio 2, > Java > > Senerio 3, > Close one window they all close > > Senerio 4, > Exit netscape, and the process stays running > > > These seem tobe the most persistant, let me know if you think i missed > any. All of these have affected me from 6.0 on, although now, with a cable modem, Air, and Netscape Communicator 4.70, only scenarios 3 and 4 seem to rear their ugly heads. /b --- Barry Marler Department of Medical Microbiology and Parasitology University of Georgia Athens, GA (706)542-0742 (706)542-0059(fax)
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Rich Clark wrote: > On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > > Does it happen with a particular windowmanager or close method? Something > > like that we _may_ be able todo something about, for java well we all know > > the problem there. :/ [..] > > I've noticed the same problem, usually happens after nutscrape nutvigator > locks up while loading some java class. I can't say it's from any kind of > close or specific to any desktop. Just for fun, I'm running KDE, kernel > 2.2.14-15mdk on a K6-3/450 with 128 mb ram on an ASUS P5A. > Ok lets clairify a bit and quit just generalizing the netscape problems. Senerio 1, ppp line drops, and it never returns from the dns attempt Senerio 2, Java Senerio 3, Close one window they all close Senerio 4, Exit netscape, and the process stays running These seem tobe the most persistant, let me know if you think i missed any. -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Harshal Pradhan wrote: > Hi, > > Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > > Does it happen with a particular windowmanager or close method? Something > > Gnome/Enlightenment. More frequent when our LAN is acting funny. So it occurs for you _only_ under gnome-session and only with enlightenment set for the windowmanager? What do you mean by acting funny, are you useing a nfs exported /usr dir or the like? > > like that we _may_ be able todo something about, for java well we all know > > the problem there. :/ > > Wasn't some of that supposed to go away with NC4.7. (Just a thought, > would the java plugin from blackdown.org help ?) it's not even going to come close to being fixed untill they open source or atleast link with recent libs > Thanks for the time, > > Harshal > -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > Does it happen with a particular windowmanager or close method? Something > like that we _may_ be able todo something about, for java well we all know > the problem there. :/ > > On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Jarmo wrote: > > Hi All > > > > On Sun, 06 Feb 2000, you wrote: > > > Harshal Pradhan wrote: > > > > > > java, Netscape often just freezes though the process is still running > > > > and taking a lot of CPU. > > > > Also noticed that when opening NC it reserves loud a much memory,but after > > shutting down NC ,all taken memory stays reservedAnyway resource- > > meter does not show any movement downwards.I just upgraded memory > > from 64 to 128 and was no need to add to lilo.conf any extra append line. > > > > Using mdk 7.0 in amd 450Mhz 128 ram 11G hd...eth0 as realtek ,soundcard sound- > > blaster 128 pci,external modem UsRob Sportster Flash 56k. > > > > > > > Welcome to the club.. mdk 6.1 here.. I just got used to opening a term and >killall -9 > > > netscape.. > > > > > > I ain't got an answer for ya.. But if you DO find one, I would SURE like to hear >it.. :) > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > -- > > > == > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > running Linux Mandrake 6.1 and/or BeOS. > > > > Yes much intrested of answer > > > > Jarmo > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Running LM 7.0 or win9898% LM > > > > I've noticed the same problem, usually happens after nutscrape nutvigator locks up while loading some java class. I can't say it's from any kind of close or specific to any desktop. Just for fun, I'm running KDE, kernel 2.2.14-15mdk on a K6-3/450 with 128 mb ram on an ASUS P5A. -- Rich Clark Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html Help bring us more Linux Drivers
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
Using here KDE and closing NC normally...ie. exit. Funny thing happened,when installing 7.0,install program didn't do the job well,just left NC partly uninstalled,and when tried install it afterwards by hand there allways were some depecies that coudn't install...But I cleaned all NC stuff from LM and installed from LM 6.1 older 4.61 NC and that installation workedHaven't try update to 4.7...Nc works anyway,so much that I can spend too much time in net..according my phone bills. As someone wrote earlier,I have got help from this list before asked just much...biiig thanks. Main thing is,that have got LM working without any err reports in startup logs...thats something,which proves,that after short time LM is confirureable for everyoneComparing to myself...I'm not newbie...but let's say "expert -" By the way..LM is first distro where I have got hamradio stuff working with first try. Jarmo
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
Harshal Pradhan wrote: > > Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > > > Does it happen with a particular windowmanager or close method? Something > > Gnome/Enlightenment. More frequent when our LAN is acting funny. > Had it with ALL of them: KDE (1.1.1 and 1.1.2), GNOME/Enlightenment, WindowMaker, even fvwm and little twm. So I guess it's nothing to do with the WM or graphical environment. Problem was with MDK 6.1 (Netscape-Comm 4.61) and now with MDK 7.0 and NC 4.7 it's the same. Nothing has changed. BTW, kernels 2.2.9, 2.2.13 and now 2.2.14-15mdk were(are) involved. Like Harshal wrote, it happens mostly when (as I have no LAN) the dialup is fuzzy. You read "Looking up foo.bar.com..." in status line of the browser and in xosview I see 96 to 100% CPUload and the MEM-bar going up. Then (once in a while) NC freezes (can even kill -9 it) but the CPUload still is up and memory gets eaten up constantly. Eventually it stops when you kill the ld-linux.so.2, so my very sure guess is, it's NC itself causing this, no matter what kernel or environment. wobo -- GPG Fingerprint 519E 2627 FE60 91F5 32AA 6862 CE9D 800A 3876 EF13 -- Linux Mandrake's Home: http://www.linux-mandrake.com ## LLaP (Linux Lovers are Perfect!) #
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
Hi, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: > Does it happen with a particular windowmanager or close method? Something Gnome/Enlightenment. More frequent when our LAN is acting funny. > like that we _may_ be able todo something about, for java well we all know > the problem there. :/ Wasn't some of that supposed to go away with NC4.7. (Just a thought, would the java plugin from blackdown.org help ?) Thanks for the time, Harshal
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
Does it happen with a particular windowmanager or close method? Something like that we _may_ be able todo something about, for java well we all know the problem there. :/ On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Jarmo wrote: > Hi All > > On Sun, 06 Feb 2000, you wrote: > > Harshal Pradhan wrote: > > > > java, Netscape often just freezes though the process is still running > > > and taking a lot of CPU. > > Also noticed that when opening NC it reserves loud a much memory,but after > shutting down NC ,all taken memory stays reservedAnyway resource- > meter does not show any movement downwards.I just upgraded memory > from 64 to 128 and was no need to add to lilo.conf any extra append line. > > Using mdk 7.0 in amd 450Mhz 128 ram 11G hd...eth0 as realtek ,soundcard sound- > blaster 128 pci,external modem UsRob Sportster Flash 56k. > > > > Welcome to the club.. mdk 6.1 here.. I just got used to opening a term and killall >-9 > > netscape.. > > > > I ain't got an answer for ya.. But if you DO find one, I would SURE like to hear >it.. :) > > > > Alan > > > > -- > > == > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > running Linux Mandrake 6.1 and/or BeOS. > > Yes much intrested of answer > > Jarmo > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Running LM 7.0 or win9898% LM > -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
Hi All On Sun, 06 Feb 2000, you wrote: > Harshal Pradhan wrote: > > java, Netscape often just freezes though the process is still running > > and taking a lot of CPU. Also noticed that when opening NC it reserves loud a much memory,but after shutting down NC ,all taken memory stays reservedAnyway resource- meter does not show any movement downwards.I just upgraded memory from 64 to 128 and was no need to add to lilo.conf any extra append line. Using mdk 7.0 in amd 450Mhz 128 ram 11G hd...eth0 as realtek ,soundcard sound- blaster 128 pci,external modem UsRob Sportster Flash 56k. > Welcome to the club.. mdk 6.1 here.. I just got used to opening a term and killall -9 > netscape.. > > I ain't got an answer for ya.. But if you DO find one, I would SURE like to hear >it.. :) > > Alan > > -- > == > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > running Linux Mandrake 6.1 and/or BeOS. Yes much intrested of answer Jarmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running LM 7.0 or win9898% LM
Re: [expert] Netsacpe problems
Harshal Pradhan wrote: > > Hi, > > We have just installed Mandrake 7.0 in our computing lab at college. > Users home directories are mounted over NFS and authentication is over > NIS. > > Everything is up and running fine except this irritating problem we have > been having with netscape. Even after a user quits Netscape, it > sometimes leaves behind a process called ld-linux.so which keeps eating > up CPU (sometimes upto 98% CPU) This happens more often > when the user has been using some java applet. Even after the user has > logged out the process will keep running, making the system look very > slow till it has been killed by a kill -9. Besides this, while using > java, Netscape often just freezes though the process is still running > and taking a lot of CPU. > > I know it is not new for netscape to crash pretty regularly with bus > error or something, but I've seen this for the first time. Anyone know > what is happening? > Welcome to the club.. mdk 6.1 here.. I just got used to opening a term and killall -9 netscape.. I ain't got an answer for ya.. But if you DO find one, I would SURE like to hear it.. :) Alan -- == [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) running Linux Mandrake 6.1 and/or BeOS.
